Want an exclusive weekly podcast? Get it patreon.com/thelinuxcast [time stamps] 00:00:00 Intro 00:03:54 Our Week in FOSS 00:04:01 Drew's Week in FOSS 00:07:29 Matt's Week in FOSS 00:16:51 Should Debian Be Default? 01:05:01 Nuggies of the Week 01:05:05 Drew's Nuggie 01:08:03 Matt's Nuggie 01:10:59 Contact Info and Goodbyes
Yes, the stable middle in a story spanning decades. My desktop alternate between MX Linux and Linux Mint, but the server have been Debian GNU/Linux as long as I remember.
I agree that Debian probably won't be different in 20 years. Their focus is on rock solid stability, and the companies and institutions internationally that use Debian depend on that. If you google "who's using Debian" there is a link to Debian's website with a list of all of the governments, science institutions, corporations, and universities that use Debian. I'm pretty sure they don't want it to change. If it ain't broke don't fix it. The list is very impressive. I myself am using Debian 12 just for web browsing and gaming with Steam. I haven't had any problems using Steam Proton to play Windows games in Debian. For me it just works.
interesting, I literally switched from Debian stable because of steam/proton. I was using an nVidia GPU at the time, but I think Debian 11 packaged 470 drivers, and so it literally wasn't possible for me to play some of my games because the fix was only in proton experimental, which had bumped the minimum requirements to 515 or something. I switched to Debian Sid. Now I am trying Tumbleweed, and I have an AMD GPU. I switched away from Debian Sid because the 64 bit time transition was rough (months of not being able to update/install new packages for me). I also took GPU programming classes where we developed scientific simulations targeting CUDA/HIP, and I had not managed to install ROCm/HIP on Debian, but got it set up on Ubuntu at the time on a separate drive, but now I have it on my main OS which is Tumbleweed (my install is very hacky though).
@@SamOnKBD I have an Nvidia GPU but I'm running Debian 12. It's using the NVidia version 535 drivers. I only have a GeForce GTX 1070 though. I don't have any super new games. I'm playing Kingdom Come Deliverance, Skyrim SE, and The Dwarves right now.
I dare to say that LMDE, MX Linux, & Sparky Linux are definitely what a Debian Stable distro should be. But all of that aside, I vote yes, regular vanilla Debian needs to be acknowledge as a default distro.
Agreed, I think it would be neat if they made a Base Debian and Debian "desktop" edition or something. Debian is awesome for many projects but like you said LMDE alone smokes Debian for 90% of computer users and what they need and ease of use, I have unfortunately had many issues on base Debian with audio and stuttering but LMDE always just ran out the box. But maybe they just don't care and just want to focus on the core mission of Debian and making it stable and let the Mint team do their thing. I understand both views.
I switched to Debian with Mate a few months ago when it's so boring. Nothing ever breaks on it. Literally the white cake with white icing of Linux distributions. I think I'm in love.
You are in severe security problem using this system. People will tell you its rock solid, that runs in servers across the globe. Do your reasearch and you will see it hjaves serious security issues on the last years, even worst than windows
@@brunob.7792 I'm assuming you're talking about that article Lunduke wrote a while ago. A 30 year old operating system based around being transparent is going to report (and have fixed) way more issues than something like windows 11 that is much younger and not going to report every issue they've had. No OS is going to be impenetrable but just look at the raw numbers without any context is dumb. Linux and Debian are more secure BECAUSE bugs and vulnerabilities get found and fixed. We can't know for sure if that happens with Windows.
I switched from Fedora to debain. For the life of me I can not break debian. I have used arch for a while, arch is really stable but not idiot proof. Debian is stable and idiot proof. I want to try out opensuse but fory main system I am sticking to debian for a while. Fedora is still my baby. I love Fedora but Debian is always my fallback when my baby makes me cry😂 Licencing Linux would be a crime to humanity.😅
Fedora never breaks on me, but whenever I touch anything debian-based it explodes. I do not honestly think most points made in this video really can be substantiated.
Debian as a project is really really the best of the best, but as OS to be installed on the Desktop no need to say is failure, people use Mint don't even know is Debian (even the ubuntu edition, is also Debian in someway), people know Ubuntu but don't Know Debian as an OS; i think the Debian Team should learn a lot with these downstream projects. The installer is confuse to use (the live images come with calamares duh), the DEs a not polished, full of bloat oldold games, no official option for newer and up-to-date experience on the Desktop specially for newer hardware.
I agree but you can do things to prevent the bloat, but it shouldn't be default. It's baffling to me how out of touch the Debian team is when it comes to their website and installation.
The reason at the end is that Debian and derivatives had the highest compatibility rating when companies decided to support Linux. But the best software companies around aren't lazy so, they support all the major independent distros, including the RHEL and SLES branches.
I feel like Debian is the default Linux in the sense of stability and wide deployability, but Fedora is Linus Torvalds' choice for a reason! I think Fedora is sort of the "testbed default" in a lot of ways, it tries to be a Linux default in the sense of trying to take advantage of new features and updates to the Linux kernel. And I say this as someone who uses neither Debian nor Fedora lmao but I recognize what they do for Linux-at-large!
Linus chose Fedora because he didn't like the installation at the time of Debian. It has now been improved. He has since been asked why he is still on Fedora, and he has said it's because his family is on Fedora and he doesnt' want to switch now because of that.
If I ever settle down and want to introduce Linux into a family environment I am definitely choosing Debian for that. But as long as I am single nerding it and not bothered by instability, I am fine with rolling distros for now.
Definitely Debian should be the default Linux system by Linux users. Ive been distrohopping for years and have now finally settled for Debian, although have not yet figured out which flavour to go with, GNOME or KDE🤔 The biggest problem with Debian is - as many others has also said - its Homepage and the installation process can be a bit cumbersome. If Debian fixed their homepage and simplified the installation process a bit, i recon Linux could potentially become much more widespread than the 4 procent of the desktop market currently occupied by Linux. The biggest pros of Debian being its stability and relatively ease of use. Btw some argue that Debian is a boring distribution, but I kinda see that as an advantage when we are talking about Operating Systems... Just my thoughts.
I'm on mxLinux which Debian based...super stable and enables me to be more productive (less tinkering and troubleshooting) --> doing real work instead of trying to setup some distros correctly.
I'm on MX as well, and besides me thinking BtrFS was the choice for me, which it wasn't (and perhaps that's because of what Matt mentioned, very few distro's does BtrFS well), I've had a great time with it. Very few packages that I'm getting outside the repository.
I always stuck with Debian or even Debian base distro's. They just fit me perfectly. I only ask two things from a distro. Must be stable and fast, Debian-base distro's never failed me. As long you have fast hardware that works great using Linux. It's going to be fast. I know Debian applications aren't caught up with the times. Debian usually a few versions behind. But, that's where you get the stability at. I'm currently a MX user, which is base on Debian.
I think having some sort of default distro would help Linux usage grow immensely. Don't cut out the other distros, but the Linux community absolutely should get behind one or two distros as the standard defaults.
Good content - as a Linux Ubuntu user , I use it religiously for sdr radio development ( NI usrps). Just the other day I had to reinstall it for issues related to broken packages . I have a second ssd and like to install Debian next to Ubuntu . How to go about it? I didn’t see much UA-cam videos on installing Debian next to Ubuntu - also read that installing Debian next to Ubuntu , Debian will not add Ubuntu in the grub . Sounds scary . Your help is appreciated . Thank you
I am just starting up again in the Linux community after 20+ years. After Lubuntu, Ubuntu, "Sorry, I forgot to mention Fedora" (I used to know it as RedHat before RedHat was RedHat), Mint, and POPOS. My favourite is Mint for a beginner. I still have POPOS on my desktop and am waiting for cinnamon, which will help me with work. Work uses Windows NOS and MicroFocus NOS for file shares. I have seen Cinnomin alpha stuff, and it looks good.
Heya, Matt, I discovered you only a few weeks back but have grown to thoroughly enjoy your content. Love the others like Drew et al that you bring on as well. About to blast this loud enough to hear throughout the house and listen as I do some [much needed] housework.
I used pure Debian on servers and desktops. It is stable as hell. If I want a really light distro that I only install what I want I go to my second favorite... Gentoo.
Two scenarios, User case need a stable and secure environment and for a Public perspective one need a broader base with a large repository and Debian achieve both sensibly without boasting about like Redhat and SuSe.
This is grat! The ones with tyler can get quite boring and he is so loud! RIP steve and josh, the true OG's. I used to rush to this podcast when they were on
Debian Bookworm is awesome, but I made the switch to Arch a year or so ago and it has just worked, I got everything I need with nothing I don't, and again everything from apps to games just work. Ironically I have had less issues on Arch than Debian/Fedora and distros based off them. Still love Debian and it will be the one I switch to when I no longer game or need "bleeding edge". LMDE is awesome as well.
Only reason why I consider going from Debian 12 KDE back to LMDE is... I just miss how Cinnamon on Mint looks like, I really do, and I'm not capable to make the same black&green look and feel on my Debian, lol!
Love the dialogue, I’m a big fan of Red Hat 🙌🏿 People seem to hate them but they’re equally pioneers and awesome contributors in the Linux space.. I know everyone’s not fond of the whole “Enterprise” philosophy & some corporate practices - but business is business.. There’s always Fedora & CentOS Stream for full FOSS daily & “tinkerers”.
"gets mad at Debian for being hard to install and complains about the installer" says Arch linux is GREAT "doesn't say anything about Arch linux's installer, how long it hasn't been updated or how hard it is to install"
One reason I keep debian besides rock stability is it still has offline use in mind. You can easily jigdo the iso set or debmirror the amd64,i386,source repos and setup sever or external hard drive repo for updating multiple machines (6 in my case) other repoes are awesome but to date debian is still the only one ive seen that actively has this in mind without too much work.
Thanks for this video. Myself I started with Mandrake and then Suse, and tried several other Boxed retail versions of linux including Corel Linux w/Word Perfect. Eventually a Red Hat buddy reccomended I try out Ubuntu v.8.04 / currently I am using Xubuntu 22.04 and MXLinux 23. x In my mind Debian is my default.
Iv'e been running Debian Testing since Potato. Arch looks interesting, but I need things to just work after typing 'nala dist-upgrade' LOL! Debian is the default distro in the fact that they strive to keep an operating system that is able to run without closed-source software. I'm not sure that anyone else does this. The graphical installer isn't as easy to use. What do you need a mouse for, just keep hitting enter until you actually need to type something.
I absolutely had to try Debian over its derivitive kids/grandkids. However, as a new linux guy, man, their PR needs work. Zorin, Mint, Fedora, etc. nice web pages and easy install. Why hide the ISOs and say get Rufus/Ventoy, make USB, go. Funky install aside, I totally love it and we need it. Amazing distro and community.
I'd love to run Debian as my daily driver were it not for their conservative (and not very commonsensical) policy of packaging KDE (e.g. Konqueror should be available as a separate, optional package).
@@TheLinuxCast No, I don't and that's the problem. Last time I checked Konqueror was still pulled in by default and I don't want it anywhere near my machine :-)
i switch to debian an d im very happy running debian testing... i use to use debian a lot back in teh day.... but tied up with rolling release for a long while... now sick of them.. i like debian my computer will stay uptime longer than rolling releases.
I was a long time Xubuntu user, simple efficient and XFCE got out my way and let me be productive, but i had to move as i Xubuntu is to aligned with Ubuntu and its love of snaps, I'm not ot a fan, so tried many other distros, but i have settled on debian 12 with XFCE, it just works. But as ever in the distro wars everyone likes something different and thats fine.
Debian xfce with Calamares installer displays the wrong time for the Netherlands. It's 2 hours ahead. This never happened before. Why I wonder? But I don't like Debian and that's why I use MX Linux Xfce.
We need Fedora for bleeding edge??? When Red Hat would probably steal Linux from Open Source, but for the genius of Richard Stallman's GPL? You want bleeding edge, go testing or sid. I'm running testing right now, used to run sid for several years. So yes, Debian stable as default. LMDE as a lure for new users, perhaps.
Debian as default... Die of old age before update. People swarm to it when it updates, then they be like... Firefox ESR? No, Fedora is the most progressive solid repo, nor do I have problems with Copr and Fusion updates. If you are a Mint user, and you add a Ubuntu base ppa or package, your dependencies will jack up in the long run. I've tried. My daily is Endeavour. It's different levels of skill. Debian is great for old hardware. I would use MX Linux or LMDE for old stuff, for something complete. Ubuntu has $10mil in the pipe. Fedora/Redhat has access to $245mil. Getting professional, Redhat is on the backend. They don't charge you to turn HMAC on, like Ubuntu Enterprise. It's sad. I like Ubuntu, but I'm not sure I care if AWS says most of their client servers are Ubuntu headless. I know altLinux people hate the corporate route, but Fedora40/41 has never been more solid. My other choice in Arch is just fun, keeps me learning.
I prefer wayland + plasma6 due to having a 4k monitor, I also have a nvidia card. It works beautifully on very recent drivers, kernel, KDE and wayland. On debian ... yeah, no.
I think openSuse is a weird place at the moment, which is the reason I for the moment stay in the fedora side of things. But the name and everything is maybe a really good thing because openSuse uses a lot of Suse, but it is not really the same and so this could be a chance for openSuse to find a new thing. Lets where they are in a year or two. If the ALP thing goes well, and they have a server edition based on that and maybe also some DE's for it alongside tumbleweed and microOs I could see them actually going great in a few years. I think there is really a lot of potential.
Regarding the title, "Default Distro" makes no sense. I mean I know you want clicks/views but it just doesn't make any sense as a question, and I'm speaking as someone who started with Debian.
Ironically I have had the same experience. Only distros I have not had major issues with is Arch and Mint. I like Arch right now though because I set it up with everything I need and nothing I don't which makes the system actually very simple. Was a much longer setup time at the beginning, and in that sense Arch is more complex and not user friendly but now I simply update once a week or so and that is it. Good stuff.
I won't touch Debian. I got into Linux via Ubuntu, like many others did. I tried a multitude of distros, including Debian. And I had nothing but trouble until I got away from Debian-based and into "edgier" distros. I think Debian's "stability" is overhyped. I also think providing "stability" simply by providing older software is pure laziness. When you start trying to add programs you need that aren't in the repos and have to start fighting with updating libraries or other programs to match the new stuff you need... it's just a hassle. Debian also lead the charge for the Windows-ification of Linux by adopting the SystemD malware.
(before watching, re:title question) Devuan. When I needed step back from my usual elaborate poly-distro arrangement with many gentoos in bedrock, to avoid burn-out, i fell back to Devuan. The true Debian.
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[time stamps]
00:00:00 Intro
00:03:54 Our Week in FOSS
00:04:01 Drew's Week in FOSS
00:07:29 Matt's Week in FOSS
00:16:51 Should Debian Be Default?
01:05:01 Nuggies of the Week
01:05:05 Drew's Nuggie
01:08:03 Matt's Nuggie
01:10:59 Contact Info and Goodbyes
Debian is the only Linux distro that matters for me after years of distro hopping.
You need to think twice buddy. It haves more security issues than windows 10
@@brunob.7792 Evidence?
@@brunob.7792 source?
Yes, the stable middle in a story spanning decades. My desktop alternate between MX Linux and Linux Mint, but the server have been Debian GNU/Linux as long as I remember.
@@brunob.7792 stupid
I agree that Debian probably won't be different in 20 years. Their focus is on rock solid stability, and the companies and institutions internationally that use Debian depend on that. If you google "who's using Debian" there is a link to Debian's website with a list of all of the governments, science institutions, corporations, and universities that use Debian. I'm pretty sure they don't want it to change. If it ain't broke don't fix it. The list is very impressive. I myself am using Debian 12 just for web browsing and gaming with Steam. I haven't had any problems using Steam Proton to play Windows games in Debian. For me it just works.
interesting, I literally switched from Debian stable because of steam/proton. I was using an nVidia GPU at the time, but I think Debian 11 packaged 470 drivers, and so it literally wasn't possible for me to play some of my games because the fix was only in proton experimental, which had bumped the minimum requirements to 515 or something. I switched to Debian Sid.
Now I am trying Tumbleweed, and I have an AMD GPU. I switched away from Debian Sid because the 64 bit time transition was rough (months of not being able to update/install new packages for me). I also took GPU programming classes where we developed scientific simulations targeting CUDA/HIP, and I had not managed to install ROCm/HIP on Debian, but got it set up on Ubuntu at the time on a separate drive, but now I have it on my main OS which is Tumbleweed (my install is very hacky though).
@@SamOnKBD I have an Nvidia GPU but I'm running Debian 12. It's using the NVidia version 535 drivers. I only have a GeForce GTX 1070 though. I don't have any super new games. I'm playing Kingdom Come Deliverance, Skyrim SE, and The Dwarves right now.
@@dustys5512 yeah, and thats fair. I use Debian 12 (stable) on my thinkpad and I think it is great
I am on linux mint xfce. Want to try debian 12 with kde. But everything that i need just works so i am lazy to fix it 😅
I dare to say that LMDE, MX Linux, & Sparky Linux are definitely what a Debian Stable distro should be. But all of that aside, I vote yes, regular vanilla Debian needs to be acknowledge as a default distro.
Sparky is underrated.
Agreed, I think it would be neat if they made a Base Debian and Debian "desktop" edition or something. Debian is awesome for many projects but like you said LMDE alone smokes Debian for 90% of computer users and what they need and ease of use, I have unfortunately had many issues on base Debian with audio and stuttering but LMDE always just ran out the box. But maybe they just don't care and just want to focus on the core mission of Debian and making it stable and let the Mint team do their thing. I understand both views.
I switched to Debian with Mate a few months ago when it's so boring. Nothing ever breaks on it. Literally the white cake with white icing of Linux distributions. I think I'm in love.
Debian AKA ol' reliable
Mate is great.
You are in severe security problem using this system. People will tell you its rock solid, that runs in servers across the globe. Do your reasearch and you will see it hjaves serious security issues on the last years, even worst than windows
@@brunob.7792 What would you recommend? RHEL? SLE? openSUSE? Or would you leave Linux entirely and go OpenBSD?
@@brunob.7792 I'm assuming you're talking about that article Lunduke wrote a while ago. A 30 year old operating system based around being transparent is going to report (and have fixed) way more issues than something like windows 11 that is much younger and not going to report every issue they've had.
No OS is going to be impenetrable but just look at the raw numbers without any context is dumb. Linux and Debian are more secure BECAUSE bugs and vulnerabilities get found and fixed. We can't know for sure if that happens with Windows.
I switched from Fedora to debain. For the life of me I can not break debian. I have used arch for a while, arch is really stable but not idiot proof. Debian is stable and idiot proof. I want to try out opensuse but fory main system I am sticking to debian for a while.
Fedora is still my baby. I love Fedora but Debian is always my fallback when my baby makes me cry😂
Licencing Linux would be a crime to humanity.😅
Fedora never breaks on me, but whenever I touch anything debian-based it explodes. I do not honestly think most points made in this video really can be substantiated.
Debian live dvds are vey useful, not just for installation but recovery as well.
I use LMDE btw
A man of culture I see.
Debian as a project is really really the best of the best, but as OS to be installed on the Desktop no need to say is failure, people use Mint don't even know is Debian (even the ubuntu edition, is also Debian in someway), people know Ubuntu but don't Know Debian as an OS; i think the Debian Team should learn a lot with these downstream projects. The installer is confuse to use (the live images come with calamares duh), the DEs a not polished, full of bloat oldold games, no official option for newer and up-to-date experience on the Desktop specially for newer hardware.
I agree but you can do things to prevent the bloat, but it shouldn't be default. It's baffling to me how out of touch the Debian team is when it comes to their website and installation.
The reason at the end is that Debian and derivatives had the highest compatibility rating when companies decided to support Linux. But the best software companies around aren't lazy so, they support all the major independent distros, including the RHEL and SLES branches.
I feel like Debian is the default Linux in the sense of stability and wide deployability, but Fedora is Linus Torvalds' choice for a reason! I think Fedora is sort of the "testbed default" in a lot of ways, it tries to be a Linux default in the sense of trying to take advantage of new features and updates to the Linux kernel.
And I say this as someone who uses neither Debian nor Fedora lmao but I recognize what they do for Linux-at-large!
Agreed, and I also don't use Fedora.
Linus chose Fedora because he didn't like the installation at the time of Debian. It has now been improved. He has since been asked why he is still on Fedora, and he has said it's because his family is on Fedora and he doesnt' want to switch now because of that.
@@ArchLars dnf is vastly superior to apt
If I ever settle down and want to introduce Linux into a family environment I am definitely choosing Debian for that. But as long as I am single nerding it and not bothered by instability, I am fine with rolling distros for now.
Definitely Debian should be the default Linux system by Linux users. Ive been distrohopping for years and have now finally settled for Debian, although have not yet figured out which flavour to go with, GNOME or KDE🤔
The biggest problem with Debian is - as many others has also said - its Homepage and the installation process can be a bit cumbersome.
If Debian fixed their homepage and simplified the installation process a bit, i recon Linux could potentially become much more widespread than the 4 procent of the desktop market currently occupied by Linux. The biggest pros of Debian being its stability and relatively ease of use.
Btw some argue that Debian is a boring distribution, but I kinda see that as an advantage when we are talking about Operating Systems... Just my thoughts.
I'm on mxLinux which Debian based...super stable and enables me to be more productive (less tinkering and troubleshooting) --> doing real work instead of trying to setup some distros correctly.
I'm on MX as well, and besides me thinking BtrFS was the choice for me, which it wasn't (and perhaps that's because of what Matt mentioned, very few distro's does BtrFS well), I've had a great time with it. Very few packages that I'm getting outside the repository.
Quote of the cast: "Professional tip here - don't kick walls!"
Windows user here i run debian stable KDE since 2019 rock stable, last version of windows for me was windows 7
You are no longer a windows user.
@@alfredklek i still have my old windows 7 in a KVM it will stay there for the next 100 years 😁
I always stuck with Debian or even Debian base distro's. They just fit me perfectly. I only ask two things from a distro. Must be stable and fast, Debian-base distro's never failed me. As long you have fast hardware that works great using Linux. It's going to be fast. I know Debian applications aren't caught up with the times. Debian usually a few versions behind. But, that's where you get the stability at. I'm currently a MX user, which is base on Debian.
Can you download and use the variations of the various distros that are based on Debian - in Debian itself?
I can't find the poll for the next distro testing here on UA-cam. Could you please navigate me to where exactly I should be searching?
Everyone got tiring experiences with unstable distros so stable ones like Debian, openSUSE are underrated.
Would be nice if you posted the link to that obsidian plugin for nvim. See lots of them so which one is the main one?
@@AliensInc. pretty sure the link is in the show notes which are linked in the description.
@@TheLinuxCast Then I gotta be blind, cos I can't find it😂
no worries
I guess I'll say it..."Debian Does Linux".
I just finished installing Arch on my system, so I can now finally say:
I USE ARCH BTW
God that feels good
I think having some sort of default distro would help Linux usage grow immensely. Don't cut out the other distros, but the Linux community absolutely should get behind one or two distros as the standard defaults.
So I run Fedora, Ubuntu, and Manjaro, making sure to duplicate all software and operations on each.
What version of KDE does Debian ship with? Does it support VRR?
Plasma 5.someting. not sure about vrr
Good content - as a Linux Ubuntu user , I use it religiously for sdr radio development ( NI usrps). Just the other day I had to reinstall it for issues related to broken packages . I have a second ssd and like to install Debian next to Ubuntu . How to go about it? I didn’t see much UA-cam videos on installing Debian next to Ubuntu - also read that installing Debian next to Ubuntu , Debian will not add Ubuntu in the grub . Sounds scary . Your help is appreciated . Thank you
I am just starting up again in the Linux community after 20+ years. After Lubuntu, Ubuntu, "Sorry, I forgot to mention Fedora" (I used to know it as RedHat before RedHat was RedHat), Mint, and POPOS. My favourite is Mint for a beginner. I still have POPOS on my desktop and am waiting for cinnamon, which will help me with work. Work uses Windows NOS and MicroFocus NOS for file shares. I have seen Cinnomin alpha stuff, and it looks good.
did they fork Hanna Montana Linux into Myle Cyrus Linux
Started with RH in 95 ive dabbled with other distros but keep coming back to RH and Fedora
SUSE? Microfocus, Novell, So what is the difference between RedHat and Fedora?
Heya, Matt, I discovered you only a few weeks back but have grown to thoroughly enjoy your content. Love the others like Drew et al that you bring on as well. About to blast this loud enough to hear throughout the house and listen as I do some [much needed] housework.
Glad you found the channel and enjoy! Welcome to the madness
I lived in the panhandle for years. We affectionately called it L.A. (Lower Alabama).
This distribution is so basic and stable that I installed it without a shell and ended up with a completely broken OS, thanks!
what we need is a full server setup tutorial video? on debian
Heh as a Xillenial, "Achy Break Heart Daughter" is what I call her when I can't remember her name LOL.
Lol
I used pure Debian on servers and desktops. It is stable as hell. If I want a really light distro that I only install what I want I go to my second favorite... Gentoo.
I think the package base predicts property and feeling of "default" distro so Arch useful too but it's not useful for servers
Two scenarios, User case need a stable and secure environment and for a Public perspective one need a broader base with a large repository and Debian achieve both sensibly without boasting about like Redhat and SuSe.
I've one Arch and Manjaro (bouncing back and forth) for a while now but Debian keeps calling me back home.
This is grat! The ones with tyler can get quite boring and he is so loud! RIP steve and josh, the true OG's. I used to rush to this podcast when they were on
Debian Bookworm is awesome, but I made the switch to Arch a year or so ago and it has just worked, I got everything I need with nothing I don't, and again everything from apps to games just work. Ironically I have had less issues on Arch than Debian/Fedora and distros based off them.
Still love Debian and it will be the one I switch to when I no longer game or need "bleeding edge". LMDE is awesome as well.
Only reason why I consider going from Debian 12 KDE back to LMDE is... I just miss how Cinnamon on Mint looks like, I really do, and I'm not capable to make the same black&green look and feel on my Debian, lol!
Hey it's my man drew
You know it.
Love the dialogue, I’m a big fan of Red Hat 🙌🏿 People seem to hate them but they’re equally pioneers and awesome contributors in the Linux space.. I know everyone’s not fond of the whole “Enterprise” philosophy & some corporate practices - but business is business.. There’s always Fedora & CentOS Stream for full FOSS daily & “tinkerers”.
I've tried Debian a few times but always go back to using Xubuntu or Linux Mint XFCE.
"gets mad at Debian for being hard to install and complains about the installer" says Arch linux is GREAT "doesn't say anything about Arch linux's installer, how long it hasn't been updated or how hard it is to install"
Void Linux for the next long time review!
I've been running Debian since 2001 and full time since 2012. XFCE the whole time and I wouldn't have it any other way.
One reason I keep debian besides rock stability is it still has offline use in mind. You can easily jigdo the iso set or debmirror the amd64,i386,source repos and setup sever or external hard drive repo for updating multiple machines (6 in my case) other repoes are awesome but to date debian is still the only one ive seen that actively has this in mind without too much work.
I use Slackware, btw ❤
Thanks for this video. Myself I started with Mandrake and then Suse, and tried several other Boxed retail versions of linux including Corel Linux w/Word Perfect. Eventually a Red Hat buddy reccomended I try out Ubuntu v.8.04 / currently I am using Xubuntu 22.04 and MXLinux 23. x
In my mind Debian is my default.
Iv'e been running Debian Testing since Potato. Arch looks interesting, but I need things to just work after typing 'nala dist-upgrade' LOL!
Debian is the default distro in the fact that they strive to keep an operating system that is able to run without closed-source software. I'm not sure that anyone else does this.
The graphical installer isn't as easy to use. What do you need a mouse for, just keep hitting enter until you actually need to type something.
I use Debian stable btw.
I’ve never tried Debian, but the majority of distros I’ve played with were based on it.
I absolutely had to try Debian over its derivitive kids/grandkids. However, as a new linux guy, man, their PR needs work. Zorin, Mint, Fedora, etc. nice web pages and easy install. Why hide the ISOs and say get Rufus/Ventoy, make USB, go. Funky install aside, I totally love it and we need it. Amazing distro and community.
drew is kool
Debian is plagged with CVE's and flaws for the last years, worst than even windows 10. Are you guys nuts?
I'd love to run Debian as my daily driver were it not for their conservative (and not very commonsensical) policy of packaging KDE (e.g. Konqueror should be available as a separate, optional package).
Wait wait wait. Do you use Konqueror? Are you the one who uses it?
@@TheLinuxCast No, I don't and that's the problem. Last time I checked Konqueror was still pulled in by default and I don't want it anywhere near my machine :-)
@@przemekkasprzyk626 That makes more sense. I thought you were the rare unicorn who actually used it. I will find a Konqueror user someday
@@TheLinuxCast When you do, you should make a video about it, because it'll be a unicorn, Yeti and Sasquatch rolled into one :-)
@@TheLinuxCast its MEEEEE. The person ur looking for is MEEEEEEEEEE
i switch to debian an d im very happy running debian testing... i use to use debian a lot back in teh day.... but tied up with rolling release for a long while... now sick of them.. i like debian my computer will stay uptime longer than rolling releases.
I was a long time Xubuntu user, simple efficient and XFCE got out my way and let me be productive, but i had to move as i Xubuntu is to aligned with Ubuntu and its love of snaps, I'm not ot a fan, so tried many other distros, but i have settled on debian 12 with XFCE, it just works. But as ever in the distro wars everyone likes something different and thats fine.
What do you have against Snaps? Im just curious.
I'm not sure it is but it should be.
Need? Yes.
Want? No.
Debian xfce with Calamares installer displays the wrong time for the Netherlands. It's 2 hours ahead. This never happened before. Why I wonder? But I don't like Debian and that's why I use MX Linux Xfce.
What is calamares
@Leverquin The installer for Debian instead of the regular installer which is more difficult if you're a new user.
@johanb.7869 🤔 harder then installijg ubuntu or mint?
We need Fedora for bleeding edge??? When Red Hat would probably steal Linux from Open Source, but for the genius of Richard Stallman's GPL? You want bleeding edge, go testing or sid. I'm running testing right now, used to run sid for several years. So yes, Debian stable as default. LMDE as a lure for new users, perhaps.
hurricanes >>> water that catches fire
Post debian, some mirror would make deb-rock edition, to develop from.
Wayland is just interfering with the AI cuda.
Debian 12/i3wm on my stable desktop workstation.
Arch/Sway on my bleeding edge laptop.
Shouldn't the LOGIC be that you use a distro which all others are BASED ON - like: Debian, Red Hat (Fedora) and Arch Linux?
Debian as default... Die of old age before update. People swarm to it when it updates, then they be like... Firefox ESR? No, Fedora is the most progressive solid repo, nor do I have problems with Copr and Fusion updates. If you are a Mint user, and you add a Ubuntu base ppa or package, your dependencies will jack up in the long run. I've tried. My daily is Endeavour. It's different levels of skill. Debian is great for old hardware. I would use MX Linux or LMDE for old stuff, for something complete. Ubuntu has $10mil in the pipe. Fedora/Redhat has access to $245mil. Getting professional, Redhat is on the backend. They don't charge you to turn HMAC on, like Ubuntu Enterprise. It's sad. I like Ubuntu, but I'm not sure I care if AWS says most of their client servers are Ubuntu headless. I know altLinux people hate the corporate route, but Fedora40/41 has never been more solid. My other choice in Arch is just fun, keeps me learning.
According to the Betteridge's law of headlines, no
I prefer wayland + plasma6 due to having a 4k monitor, I also have a nvidia card. It works beautifully on very recent drivers, kernel, KDE and wayland. On debian ... yeah, no.
i use arch btw
I use artix, btw
I use LMDE btw
No one cares btw
@@oluijks wooooooosh
TempleOS?
It sure is. If you don't want WiFi
i recently install Ubuntu 24.04 its really sucks 🤷fewa years ago i used...now switch linux mint feel likes 100 times better 🤦
When i finished with win 7 i have tried ubuntu and i was so sad. Now i am on linixmmint xfce and its so good
yes
LFS doesn't have systemD, lol
Did we say that it did?
Redcore 100%
I think openSuse is a weird place at the moment, which is the reason I for the moment stay in the fedora side of things. But the name and everything is maybe a really good thing because openSuse uses a lot of Suse, but it is not really the same and so this could be a chance for openSuse to find a new thing. Lets where they are in a year or two. If the ALP thing goes well, and they have a server edition based on that and maybe also some DE's for it alongside tumbleweed and microOs I could see them actually going great in a few years.
I think there is really a lot of potential.
Great conversation.
Thanks for the video!
Btw I am using Fedora 😊
Great chat.
Regarding the title, "Default Distro" makes no sense.
I mean I know you want clicks/views but it just doesn't make any sense as a question, and I'm speaking as someone who started with Debian.
Did you watch the video? We talked about literally the exact same question.
GO BLUE BABY !
You mean GO GREEN?
@@TheLinuxCast GO GREEN is openSUSE
I have problems with every one of them except arch, lol ..the Garuda version of Arch to be specific.
Ironically I have had the same experience. Only distros I have not had major issues with is Arch and Mint. I like Arch right now though because I set it up with everything I need and nothing I don't which makes the system actually very simple. Was a much longer setup time at the beginning, and in that sense Arch is more complex and not user friendly but now I simply update once a week or so and that is it. Good stuff.
I won't touch Debian. I got into Linux via Ubuntu, like many others did. I tried a multitude of distros, including Debian. And I had nothing but trouble until I got away from Debian-based and into "edgier" distros. I think Debian's "stability" is overhyped. I also think providing "stability" simply by providing older software is pure laziness. When you start trying to add programs you need that aren't in the repos and have to start fighting with updating libraries or other programs to match the new stuff you need... it's just a hassle. Debian also lead the charge for the Windows-ification of Linux by adopting the SystemD malware.
Debian + Nix = true love
Debian is "the distro"
NO
Fanatics job
No you were looking for a non system D distro
Devuan.
Short answer: Yes
Large answer: look this video entire
(before watching, re:title question)
Devuan.
When I needed step back from my usual elaborate poly-distro arrangement with many gentoos in bedrock, to avoid burn-out, i fell back to Devuan. The true Debian.
I wish devuan was as cared for, as artix is, when talking about no-systemD distros.
Seriously Fedora OR Ubuntu.
Florida is the taint of America
shut up, commiefornyan-nya-nya.
Debian out of the box experience is terrible.
Define horrible. Does it hold your hand? No. Is it a horrible experience as a starting point if you know what you're doing? No.
debian, just like opensuse, doesn work or have issues on most modern hardware, its nothingburger