each a new device work more smart makes power less lose but i think it raise the total price to get work with these modern devices, any way thanks and keep up the good content and review
I bought one of these heaters since it was given a great review, when it arrived I thought it would have the feet or wheels with it, oh no, you have to pay extra for that and premspec won't deal with you direct you have to go to the retailer that you purchased it from so they can get you the wheels or feet, as for the ascot range ( remember that word range ), I took it that all the ascot range would have the wifi enabled radiator but no, you have to specifie that the radiator has the that capability. So as I was so nicely informed byer beware.
I bought a Rointe Kryos heater for a garage room but unfortunately it doesn't do what you have said this one does (reduce the current once the radiator is up to temperature). The Kryos is switching on at full current for a few seconds then off again for a 30 seconds to a minute or so, then back on at full current again. If you have a home storage battery it struggles to keep up with this on off on quickly approach and results in draw from the grid and export as it tries to react. A radiator like the Ascot from Premspec if it indeed does lower the current once temperature is achieved will be far better for the battery inverter to keep up with and would be a better choice for homeowners with a battery system in my opinion.
@@efixx I have now tested the Premspec radiator above and unfortunately it works in the same way as the Rointe Kryos. It just switches on and off at full current rapidly. For people with battery storage it's not a great solution I feel. It would be nice if they stayed on and just lowered the current but so far I haven't found one that does this.
The uvalue of the ceiling is probably where you messed up the heatloss. 2.5 suggests no insulation whereas say 200mm mineral wool is probably about 0.25 so the last line is off by a factor of 10
Great video - now looking into the product. The only thing I’d share based upon research so far is that wifi connectivity seems (excessively) pricey. The wifi rad itself is about £100+ higher than a non connectable radiator, and then you need to buy the usb dongle separately c£160. I am a tech geek, but my use case for this does not need the c£250 remote access.
Feet £52 , USB dongle £185 - If you interested of buying just one it is way to expensive compared to other established brands. You need to dig a little bit to find all information about way WIFi works with this hardware, so easy to miss this detail. In the end 1500W would cost £704 ....
Great question, but only one dongle is required per 31 heaters installed, so on a large installation it's much more cost effective to have it separate and then cheaper not to manufacture lots of variants, all of which keeps the cost down. 👍
Will have to get a couple of these! You should mute saying "Alexa" those of us watching that have echo dots etc. are triggered by you saying this and can't respond. We get a response, "I can't do that" "I can't find that device" etc
@eFIXX The trouble with that is while our devices are responding, we can't then hear what you are saying. As I, and others have said, why does this channel take such a childish, Blue Peter approach. I have unsubscribed. Thanks.
Fabulous, BUT they are nearly £600 each and still use 500/1000/1500/1800 watts (2.2/4.3/6.5/7.6 amps) @ 30p/kwh that's £0.15/£0.30/£0.45/£0.54 per hour PER Radiator installed. With just one radiator installed @ 1000w with occupancy for 6 hours = £0.30 x 6 = £1.80 per day x 365 = £657 per year to heat ONE ROOM........ with Electricity prices going up unit price will be somewhere around ~40p/kwh in April 2022 (30% increase - £2.40 per day/£876 pear year) and ~60p/kwh in October 2022 (50% increase - £3.00 per day/£1095 per year). Not exactly cost effective unless you have no other option.......
Complete pseudo science nonsense. All resistive electric heat is essentially 100 percent efficient. Paying more for an over engineered heater won't give you any more heat for one unit of electricity than spending £10 on one from Argos. The smarter controls might mean this heater regulates the temperature more accurately, but that's about it. Electric resistive heat remains the most expensive type of heat there is, and no amount of marketing mambo jumbo will change that. You could save a considerable sum and have all the benefits of smart heating by simply buying the aforementioned cheap supermarket heater and plugging it in to a quality thermostat and smart plug. One last whinge- I would be reluctant to run high power heaters on a permanent basis by plugging them in. Your immersion heater draws 3kw and operates potentially for hours at a time, and is therefore hard wired. How does that differ from a 3kw electric radiator? It doesn't. The circuit will cope, but when it's also loaded up with you running the tumble dryer or whatever other high power appliances you have on the same ring you're getting close to the limit and could see nuisance tripping.
This is a great video Joe. Cheers premspec 👏 great innovation and a lot of hard work on your part for making life easier for the installer. Joe can i ask, will this come under part L of the building regulations? And why 31 heaters per dongle? Smart tech and energy efficiency = 👌 And on that bombshell...
hey, could you give any indication at all of how much electricity this is using? Appreciate there are many factors, but im trying to estimate the running cost of one of these to keep a reasonable temp (14-15c) during the winter months to help reduce condensation in my single skin garage...
You might as well burn £5 notes as use a resistive electric heater to try and heat a space like that. If you want to remedy the condensation a desiccant based dehumidifier will use less power and still add a little warmth to the space- not much, but just enough to stop pipes etc freezing. Don't be tempted to try a cheap compressor based dehumidifier, they are for warm, humid environments like houses, not cold spaces.
hi Jim .. it is a 1.5 kw oil filled radiator .. as it is basically a 1.5 kwh heater.. and at a normal tariff of approx. 19 pence per kwh.. that means that this unit will use approximately 30 pence to run per every 1 hour used.. or until the desired thermostat temperature kicks in.. if you're average garage is un insulated and it was freezing outside .. to hold at +15c then it would probably hardly switch off at all .. if this was the case.. it would cost you about £3.50 per day .. or £105 per month
Can I program the heater to have different temperatures at different times of day? e.g. in a bedroom: toasty in the late evenings, cooler overnight, and somewhere in between for getting up in the morning?
I bought these heaters, largely based on this video. They're very good, but the iheat app manual is absolutely appalling with vague instructiions that I simply could not work out with technical support. Now that I Know what the hell it was trying to get me to do, it's pretty simple, but its incoherence was a realy problem.
The not so clever part is running the heater during peak time. Surely there must be a solution where one can use the off-peak electricity tariff to heat your room.
Lot 20 is a pain, I need to control heating via a thermostat and contractors, does anyone know how I can do this without disconnecting the timers as this would give wise to insurance problems. Most people, and I mean most can not work out how the timers work anyway.
Do us ALL a favour and blank/ mute your use of the word Alexa. I'm currently lying in bed as I've had no gas heating for months due to the old has boiler having hundreds spent on it and then breaking down within days and yes I should just have paid for a new one. As it is you say Alexa turn the heating on and my FOUR smart plugs turned on the four attached electric heaters in various rooms, and whilst I've designated each a different name I've left the word " heater" within their description. Just to let you know how annoying it is for UA-camrs and the People and Alexa gadgets within heading of your speech to be manipulated in this way. Anyway that's my Victor Meldrew rant over and I do appreciate the information that you have given as I'm designing a whole new house heating system of my own and will be using my TWENTY SOLAR panels to either heat conventional electric heaters or an additional wet wall (my floors are all expensively tiled or thick wood blocks so don't want to disturb for ufh) radiant system using solar heated hot water to something like a Mixergy tank and utilising the tanks electric heating elements to be powered by a future Tesla wall battery for boosting the central heating in the middle of the night. Now send three and fourpence we're going to a dance...
@@efixx sods law it will go wrong when the manufacturers warranty expires and you then have three choices, spend a packet to get it repaired, spend a packet to replace it, or go back to the old tried and tested central heating system . Choices choices 😂👍
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He’s like the James May of elecrics
Nik fantastic quote 👏
Happy with that! 😂
We will acquire some appropriate shirts!
@@efixx make sure they ship to Australia
each a new device work more smart makes power less lose but i think it raise the total price to get work with these modern devices, any way thanks and keep up the good content and review
I bought one of these heaters since it was given a great review, when it arrived I thought it would have the feet or wheels with it, oh no, you have to pay extra for that and premspec won't deal with you direct you have to go to the retailer that you purchased it from so they can get you the wheels or feet, as for the ascot range ( remember that word range ), I took it that all the ascot range would have the wifi enabled radiator but no, you have to specifie that the radiator has the that capability. So as I was so nicely informed byer beware.
Decent bit of kit. Nice review joe 👍
Good vid Joe, I'm in the market for a heater for my office. So Im not heating the whole house while on my own. I'm going to check these out. Cheers
Pegasus Electrical & Control I used a £10 convector heater from Argos. 😂. Little tricky to get the thermostat set right though.
I bought a Rointe Kryos heater for a garage room but unfortunately it doesn't do what you have said this one does (reduce the current once the radiator is up to temperature). The Kryos is switching on at full current for a few seconds then off again for a 30 seconds to a minute or so, then back on at full current again. If you have a home storage battery it struggles to keep up with this on off on quickly approach and results in draw from the grid and export as it tries to react. A radiator like the Ascot from Premspec if it indeed does lower the current once temperature is achieved will be far better for the battery inverter to keep up with and would be a better choice for homeowners with a battery system in my opinion.
Great comment, thanks for the insight. 😊
@@efixx I have now tested the Premspec radiator above and unfortunately it works in the same way as the Rointe Kryos. It just switches on and off at full current rapidly. For people with battery storage it's not a great solution I feel. It would be nice if they stayed on and just lowered the current but so far I haven't found one that does this.
Dimplex heaters us to do that back in 1970 had a group of people doing the calculations and sending them back to customers.
Has Alexa been around that long?!
The uvalue of the ceiling is probably where you messed up the heatloss. 2.5 suggests no insulation whereas say 200mm mineral wool is probably about 0.25 so the last line is off by a factor of 10
Great video - now looking into the product. The only thing I’d share based upon research so far is that wifi connectivity seems (excessively) pricey. The wifi rad itself is about £100+ higher than a non connectable radiator, and then you need to buy the usb dongle separately c£160. I am a tech geek, but my use case for this does not need the c£250 remote access.
Feet £52 , USB dongle £185 - If you interested of buying just one it is way to expensive compared to other established brands. You need to dig a little bit to find all information about way WIFi works with this hardware, so easy to miss this detail. In the end 1500W would cost £704 ....
Not fair was hoping show all so I can calculate it myself
Nice vlog 👍 Great app functions ⭐️
They could have built the USB dongle in to heater perhaps?
Great question, but only one dongle is required per 31 heaters installed, so on a large installation it's much more cost effective to have it separate and then cheaper not to manufacture lots of variants, all of which keeps the cost down. 👍
Awesomely explained
Thanks!
Will have to get a couple of these!
You should mute saying "Alexa" those of us watching that have echo dots etc. are triggered by you saying this and can't respond. We get a response, "I can't do that" "I can't find that device" etc
🤭 We know, we actually try to trigger them in viewers homes occasionally! 😂
@eFIXX The trouble with that is while our devices are responding, we can't then hear what you are saying.
As I, and others have said, why does this channel take such a childish, Blue Peter approach. I have unsubscribed. Thanks.
Like the fact that he says it connects to the dongle via RF as though wifi isn't RF
Fabulous, BUT they are nearly £600 each and still use 500/1000/1500/1800 watts (2.2/4.3/6.5/7.6 amps) @ 30p/kwh that's £0.15/£0.30/£0.45/£0.54 per hour PER Radiator installed. With just one radiator installed @ 1000w with occupancy for 6 hours = £0.30 x 6 = £1.80 per day x 365 = £657 per year to heat ONE ROOM........ with Electricity prices going up unit price will be somewhere around ~40p/kwh in April 2022 (30% increase - £2.40 per day/£876 pear year) and ~60p/kwh in October 2022 (50% increase - £3.00 per day/£1095 per year). Not exactly cost effective unless you have no other option.......
Complete pseudo science nonsense. All resistive electric heat is essentially 100 percent efficient. Paying more for an over engineered heater won't give you any more heat for one unit of electricity than spending £10 on one from Argos. The smarter controls might mean this heater regulates the temperature more accurately, but that's about it. Electric resistive heat remains the most expensive type of heat there is, and no amount of marketing mambo jumbo will change that. You could save a considerable sum and have all the benefits of smart heating by simply buying the aforementioned cheap supermarket heater and plugging it in to a quality thermostat and smart plug. One last whinge- I would be reluctant to run high power heaters on a permanent basis by plugging them in. Your immersion heater draws 3kw and operates potentially for hours at a time, and is therefore hard wired. How does that differ from a 3kw electric radiator? It doesn't. The circuit will cope, but when it's also loaded up with you running the tumble dryer or whatever other high power appliances you have on the same ring you're getting close to the limit and could see nuisance tripping.
I'd like to see an oil-filled radiant heater with a quiet fan attached to it. Portable with wheels, preferably.
To be fair fins etc and the general design of a heater will improve the flow of heat into a room making it more efficient.
would an array of these work for a commercial office space, that is 5000 sqm?
This is a great video Joe. Cheers premspec 👏 great innovation and a lot of hard work on your part for making life easier for the installer. Joe can i ask, will this come under part L of the building regulations? And why 31 heaters per dongle?
Smart tech and energy efficiency = 👌
And on that bombshell...
heating a garage with an electric heater .. my advice is.. whatever you do.. don't tell Greta Thunberg .... or your wife :)
This guy is quite funny 😄
Will this ever work with ifttt? Really like the look of these, but finding it difficult to find reviews etc to persuade me to pull the trigger
I want to know how to know if reduce current, at moment looking at creda car 200
Am I reading this correctly... ? Feet extra ? Wheels extra? & dongle £180 EXTRA?
Hi..can these be controlled by this wifi dongle as a group of say 10 radiators?
I believe so Tracey yes.
Anything like this available in the USA? It is like a portable oil-filled but with a fan?
How many times does he say "the Ascot range by Premspec"?! 😂
hey, could you give any indication at all of how much electricity this is using? Appreciate there are many factors, but im trying to estimate the running cost of one of these to keep a reasonable temp (14-15c) during the winter months to help reduce condensation in my single skin garage...
You might as well burn £5 notes as use a resistive electric heater to try and heat a space like that. If you want to remedy the condensation a desiccant based dehumidifier will use less power and still add a little warmth to the space- not much, but just enough to stop pipes etc freezing. Don't be tempted to try a cheap compressor based dehumidifier, they are for warm, humid environments like houses, not cold spaces.
hi Jim .. it is a 1.5 kw oil filled radiator .. as it is basically a 1.5 kwh heater.. and at a normal tariff of approx. 19 pence per kwh.. that means that this unit will use approximately 30 pence to run per every 1 hour used.. or until the desired thermostat temperature kicks in.. if you're average garage is un insulated and it was freezing outside .. to hold at +15c then it would probably hardly switch off at all .. if this was the case.. it would cost you about £3.50 per day .. or £105 per month
Can I program the heater to have different temperatures at different times of day? e.g. in a bedroom: toasty in the late evenings, cooler overnight, and somewhere in between for getting up in the morning?
Yes either within the heater or using the app
I have one.. The instructions is so hard to understand
@@irishman6124 I’m not expecting it to be cheap to run comparing to gas central heating but will it break the bank to have couple in two bedroom flat?
Do you have an installer who will install 10 of these in the perthshire area? And how soon please. Thank you
Reach out to Will Winter at Premspec, I'm sure he'll be able to help. william.winter@premspec.co.uk 😊👍
@@efixx thanks have sent an email.
Our pleasure, hope you get it sorted. 😊
I bought these heaters, largely based on this video. They're very good, but the iheat app manual is absolutely appalling with vague instructiions that I simply could not work out with technical support. Now that I Know what the hell it was trying to get me to do, it's pretty simple, but its incoherence was a realy problem.
Unfortunately it seems nobody actually stocks the USB dongle.
Is this a fan heater?
I don't understand why they don't build a heater in an USB dongle.
How much was that actual heather?
Great video!
At the moment 1500W with dongle and feet £704 ( ASCOT website ) deduct £52 without feet Way to expensive for buying one only ..
Stop saying Alexa!!!
Unless you’re gonna insulate the uninsulated walls and, possibly, the floor of the garage, this is a stupid idea.
The not so clever part is running the heater during peak time. Surely there must be a solution where one can use the off-peak electricity tariff to heat your room.
Lot 20 is a pain, I need to control heating via a thermostat and contractors, does anyone know how I can do this without disconnecting the timers as this would give wise to insurance problems. Most people, and I mean most can not work out how the timers work anyway.
Good point we will explore this further.
Looks expensive.
I priced them they are roughly around the £300 mark for that size
You could have bleeped out 'Alexa'!
Do us ALL a favour and blank/ mute your use of the word Alexa. I'm currently lying in bed as I've had no gas heating for months due to the old has boiler having hundreds spent on it and then breaking down within days and yes I should just have paid for a new one. As it is you say Alexa turn the heating on and my FOUR smart plugs turned on the four attached electric heaters in various rooms, and whilst I've designated each a different name I've left the word " heater" within their description. Just to let you know how annoying it is for UA-camrs and the People and Alexa gadgets within heading of your speech to be manipulated in this way. Anyway that's my Victor Meldrew rant over and I do appreciate the information that you have given as I'm designing a whole new house heating system of my own and will be using my TWENTY SOLAR panels to either heat conventional electric heaters or an additional wet wall (my floors are all expensively tiled or thick wood blocks so don't want to disturb for ufh) radiant system using solar heated hot water to something like a Mixergy tank and utilising the tanks electric heating elements to be powered by a future Tesla wall battery for boosting the central heating in the middle of the night. Now send three and fourpence we're going to a dance...
Building control would not be happy with you extending your wet central heating in to your garage.
Please this smart technology is getting out of hand. Ok till it goes wrong and you have to replace it so an other pot of money you will need to spend
Cheers Sean. 😊
@@efixx sods law it will go wrong when the manufacturers warranty expires and you then have three choices, spend a packet to get it repaired, spend a packet to replace it, or go back to the old tried and tested central heating system . Choices choices 😂👍
I noticed you used the modern day electrician most hated term RING cct.
Ring mains are great 👍
Are you going to talk the job to death?
Great video: You should be aware of the effects of increases in EMF radiation in our homes and by definition entering our bodies