NEW ELECTRIC RADIATORS - Why not central heating?
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- Опубліковано 16 лип 2024
- It's great to finally have the heating sorted in these rooms. As mentioned in the video, there are a few reasons why electric worked well this time round especially for the porch. We will try and get a full Loft Conversion tour uploaded soon.
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00:00 Introduction
00:18 Unboxing new electric radiators
01:49 Ecostrad radiators
02:13 Explaining how we will install radiators
03:03 Inserting heating element
03:49 Measuring up for fitting radiators
04:50 Fixing brackets for electric radiators
07:00 Vertical electric radiator
08:57 why did we choose electric radiators?
11:22 Electric Radiator app
12:55 Questions answered - Навчання та стиль
Thought better to clarify here rather than answer all comments individually. Few points to repeat from the video, (for those that might not have listened to it all). These rooms are occasional use rooms that are well insulated and at the top of the house, therefore the pay back/break even of plumbing the CH up from ground floor would be several years, hence why electric was a good solution. Gas is cheaper per kWh/unit yes, but there is more costs than simply the fuel. There is also an environmental point but we won't go there today! 😃 Lastly, while the radiators were gifted from the company, it is not a paid endorsement, therefore we will happily give an honest review should there be any issues or feedback. 👍
Hello,
THat is a reasonable clarification, although why the heating, when installed, did not include those rooms?
My personal preference for occasional space heating is a fan heater, particularly if there is only one or two people as it can be directed where needed and is very quick to provide warmth.
Electricity, in general, is the least economical form of heating.
I A Reid It was still a loft when the heating would have been installed and the porch was only built last month. Fan heaters are a good solution for instant heat but not great for a bedroom and probably not as safe for little fingers being poked in. 😄
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Very true, I was not aware that it was being used as a bedroom.
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If only the UK had just 2/3 more power stations the UK could cope with this changing demand. Not many people know this, I’m an ex smart meter guy, in various meetings it can up everytime.
The UK is borrowing electric from France, and the price is massive to us in the UK. One of the big reasons of these Smart Meters so the electric companies can monitor what everyone is using. Great video also, well explained and patient 👍🏻
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We will need more than two or three powr stations if the demand increases to meet electric vehicles and increased electrical heating load.
The French interconnector was operational when I did my apprenticeship with the CEGB in the sixties. It's original idea was that as British and French maximum demands were at different times, it would be more efficient to couple the two grids with an interconnector. Our government is more and more relying on interconncectors to supplement our production, a retrograde step in my view. As our and continental grids get less and less secure due to wind generation it is likely to end in tears in the future.
I think what you did is fair enough, when you combine the occasional use, cost of extending Extg HS, level of insulation and all that. Fair play 👍Looks nice too.
Ordered our 1200w unit the other day. Saved nearly £50 with your Voucher code. Thank you for the link. Should be perfect for our outdoor/garage conversation.
Great solution to a alternative to running all that plumbing. Thanks for the information
love the trick with the magnet! great idea
The clearly made suggestion that buying a more expensive radiator means that you will spend less on electricity is not just misleading, it is simply wrong. All electric heaters convert virtually 100% of the energy they consume into heat, whether they cost £20 or £500. The more expensive ones may be more robustly built or look more stylist, but their efficiency is exactly the same. That's just a law of physics.
What about the ones filled with fluid?
They look really nice! Good choice and nice job! 👍
I was thinking of purchasing electric heater. I will give this company a look. Great video
These radiators look classic! Really liked
I've been thinking of getting the Elnur Gabarron HF electric heaters, with built in thermostat & programmer, seen them in offices & shops, look pretty good!
I have these instead of storage heaters. I used normal thermostats to control them. The three main heaters in the house are controlled via the main fuse box and a RF thermostat and some relays. Bedrooms are also RF thermostats. Works brilliant.
What make? I can't find any like that
Lovely stuff. Loving the old and new there. We're the same. This solution might come in handy in future but will need a bit of research.
I used this type of radiator and found the heat did not circulate round very well at all, the reason is that where the oval vertical tubes are welded to the horizontal tubes they have very tiny water transfer holes, which if they are on normal central heating with Circulating pump, then no problem. I got hold of an earlier double radiator, modified the lower pipe entrances (blocked off and re drilled and tapped holes) and put heating elements in either end to help heat transfer.
Honeywell Evohome eliminates having to zone heating circuits with motorised valves and the problem of trying to connect to the correct circuit for the zone you require. Each radiator has it's own motorised thermostatic valve which can call for heat from the boiler when needed. All controlled wireless and by an app. Want to put on just the kids bedroom when you driving home after a weekend away? No problem, open app and switch on just the kids bedroom. Forget to turn off the heating system when you arrive on your holiday? Just switch it off while laying on the beach. Have to get up at 4am for some reason and the bathroom is cold? Lay in bed and turn on the bathroom with your phone while you lay in bed for 10 mins. We have this system controlling 20 radiators over 12 zones. Even the kids know how to turn on their radiators directly from the valve, you can set an upper limit so they dont set their room to 30 degrees. I would say it's by far the best system on the market for anyone looking into a smart heating system. Keep up the great vids!
Same here, great system, running 12 zones too.
100% Works brilliantly in my setting with some rooms rarely used etc.
Had the Hunny well system for years fantastic system
I've just done this with my radiator, similar to the one you have, I just want to add that when I tried to fit the element it wouldn't go in due to a baffle that's inside but all |I did was turn the rad upside down, the element , slid straight in and the rad looks the same no matter which way up it is.
Those are some good looking radiators, nice talk through your reasoning and well done on finding a decent sparky! 👍 😁
I've got 2 and would recommend them very highly.
Fantastic content btw, have been meaning to say thanks re your ecostrad radiators content, coz in my view it is the best solution from gas central heating which everyone has to get rid of in the near future anyway, pants to air pumps or whatever they are called. I have put the ecostrad rads in the whole house and have full control over temp or when on or not and in my view they are cost effective, house better insulated at the same time even under flooring. So thanks again as that video inspired too
We were recently temporarily without a gas boiler due to a breakdown and an issue getting hold of the parts. For three weeks we relied on the immersion heater for hot water and four portable electric radiators. Not only was the house permanently freezing, our electricity bill for that month was close to £500 when it's usually closer to £50. Off setting the saving we made on gas, I'm probably about £350 out of pocket. It made me forever thankful that we don't have to rely on electric heat under normal circumstances!
First video or website link I've ever clicked about radiators and I got an ad about buying radiators before the video :D smart AI
The drop-front desk in your guest room is almost identical to one that we have!
I did this, 1kw element in a central heating radiator works a treat with a sonoff th16 to control with temperature sensor. Kicks in and out when needed
theoneis101 1kw is nothing, judging on most rads are 2/3kw in gas terms.
Doing around 8/9 rads all electric, I’m wondering what the electric bill will be. Interesting stuff👍🏻
Stuart Sinclair it keeps the living room at 21 degrees and also when it’s off the whole house feels colder. 3 bedroom house but small
Look smart mate great for when central heating rads arnt necessary
I really enjoyed this video mate 🔥
Thank you for your video, there was a lot of knee jerk reactions to your choice of electric over gas in the comments.
There are two phrases I use Caveat Emptor, and Due Diligence, you have covered both.
Hence to go electric in those 3 locations in your house.
Bluetooth enabled is the winner turn on and off when you want works for me.
This video may have just solved an issue with heating in our lounge room in conjunction with our standard gas-fired heating.
Hi Tim, what laser level do u use? And would you recommend it? Cheers
I would think that a mini-split duct less system would be cheaper electricity wise, plus you get cooling in the summer.
They look very smart and modern
Nice person has helped me out. Those who need help . First open app Terna 2 on phone open devises Tap on red plus button top right, then go to red button displayed on phone Next press temperature button on the heating element unit on the rad. Then Tap Next on you phone and away yo go. Know where in any manual does it tell you this information. Hope this helps people out there that are struggling.
Nice episode..... a lot of useful information 🤓 ..... nothing like finding out you could of been toastier the whole take 🤯🙁🙃 better late than never 😁
Over all power use at 1kw would feeding flexible copper pipe on central heating. But time an mess saving for use for now and again all nice and neat and serving.
I would only recommend Infrared heating panels. Got them installed 5 years ago and still running. Convection heating 👎🏻 infrared heating like sunshine 👍🏻
We had radiant ceiling heating system, wonderful consistent heat, but uses a lot of energy. Greatly reduced elect bill by switching to mini-split.
Hi there. Have you got an update on how these radiators are performing now its getting cold and heading into autumn?
Do the dimensions include the control panel or is it the radiator only and the controls are additional to the length? I need to buy a couple for tight spaces so it’s very important. Thanks
I've been considering ordering from this company so this is a timely advert/review.
Certainly wouldnt call this a review. As much as i like tim and this channel, he has been given these rads to produce a positive video.
Let’s face it. Modern stuff from reputable company will work fine.
Nice video 👍👍👍
Wait how did you feed the wire through, that's the hardest part?
Hi just purchased one of these Radiators after looking at your video. Very pleased with the look of the Rad and your video helped on installation. This one came with a Terma Moa blue element works on manual but cannot connect to the phone just comes up week signel have you ideas what i am doing incorrectly. regards Steve.
Hi, when you fed the cable into the hole at the base of the radiator, how did the wire end up at the socket ie how did you fish it out without seeing its position, please? I ask as we want to atrach electric radiators to our study wall. I look forward to your reply. Thanks and Regards JB
Nice! I reckon that simple resistive electric heaters are the way forward. Low initial cost and no maintenance cost. Also great programability; I bet that electric can be cheaper in practice.
I think you will have abig surprise. With electricity prices as they are and it's ceratin they will rise even further with government's push for renwable generation. Th elast source of energy I would chose is electricity.
Resistive electric heating will always be the most expensive type of heating.
Direct electric heating can cost THREE times that of mains gas.
@@iareid8255 if you add up the real cost of gas central heating then I think you will get a surprise.
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The big unknown is the cost of electricity. It's bad enough now but it will get more expensive unless the government cancels it's de carbonisation programme, it's a recipe for unreliability and high cost.
It's long been accepted that electrical heating is the most expensive overall.
For American/Canadian viewers. Note as a example the cost of electric heating is 3 times the cost of Natural Gas heating in Vancouver, Canada. In Canada and US it is not permitted to route that heater wire in a wall cavity, as it is not fire rated and durable enough. Can be a fire hazard if something goes wrong with the heating element. Here we would have to run Romex wire from the switch plate to a receptacle junction box below it, then connect the heater wire into that.
Can you set these to run constant to keep ambient temperature?
Great video. Going to get one for downstairs bathroom. What wattage heating element did you use? How do you calculate which one you need?
There is a guide on the product pages. The grey ones are 1000w but porch is slightly more. Probably best to go a little bigger as the temperature control will regulate it down anyway I guess.
Hi! At 6:46 you inserted the cable inside the wall. How did you catch that cable (run from bottom to socket back box in upwards) to socket back box? Is there any video on that?
I was wondering the exact same thing
I have one of these for my small downstairs bathroom however, only the bottom of it gets hot and the middle up to the top is cold. How can I fix this? Will it need bleeding like a normal radiator? Thanks
May be worth pointing out that these radiators can't be fixed to studs at standard centres. There is insufficient tolerance in the fixing method as I have discovered to my cost.
Whats the liquid inside? Surely also a small amount of air is needed to accommodate liquid expansion
Good thing with electric radiators if you know you are using 100% renewable supplier then you are helping the environment, i have gas central heating and its always a concern im damaging the environment trying to keep my home warm
Love the radiators, will look into these for my Son’s apartment.. can I ask you to provide info on the laser level kit and stud finder, neat bit of kit also..👍
They’re so much cheaper than storage heaters if he has them! We changed over to a Terma thermostat controlled system and we only pay £25 extra to heat our large 2 bed flat
@@samgriffith3528 yes he currently has storage heaters so this is excellent news thanks..👍👍
I would use a FCU with a neon indicator for any type of heating appliance 👍
MARK FINN Why would you want glowing neon in a bedroom though? Even a tiny light source can be irritating when you're trying to sleep.
Why ? Lol, nice red light glowing away while trying to sleep.....great 😂😂😂
Hi do you have to put water in this radiator and what would happen if I put filled it up with water
I am wondering if you weren't gifted these radiators would you have gone for infrared heating panels instead?
Hi there. What’s is the liquid inside. I’m assuming it’s not the same as an oil filled radiator from the way you described it?
I have the 1mm width rad, what size drill piece is needed ? Thanks
Did you manage to get the app working?
If so what did you add them as !
Pls
Certainly takes pride and enjoys installation good man.
With what is filled the radiator with normal watter or v
5:20 Can see two spare holes to the right of the bracket, I guess that's why the "finally" comment on the brackets. It looks nice solution.
Good spot! 🙄
@@TheRestorationCouple Been there done that, I do think a sponsor should give you a nice 360 degree 12 line green laser level to try out.
Hello, how did you find the heat output from the heaters? Were they able to distribute heat to the full room and raise the temperature do a decent warmth? Thanks
They do in those well insulated rooms, not sure one would manage alone in the main old house rooms.
Not a paid video in anyway !! over £500. worth of radiators is a pretty good payday
Why did he choose electric, cause he was sent it 🤣
Hi Tim, wondering if you can help at all. . .I've got an Ecostrad Ecowarme radiator and it's so noisy! Constant clicking/knocking sounds that are really loud. I've tried getting in touch with Ecostrad but no reply as yet. I just wanted to ask if this is normal, and if not any suggestions on how to fix it? It's so annoying I'm close to ripping it out and just using a small portable space heater instead. Thanks!
Got two of these exact same rads in our old farmhouse.
They're brilliant - really pleased with them.
Made the mistake of ordering 2 x all singing, all dancing MYLEK panel rads for my works.
One failed after a week and was replaced.
The replacement died three weeks later.
The other died the week after that.
Utter shite......
Hi,
Would you fit out the whole house with these electric rads?
I have old oil heating system which will pull out when renovating. Do not have gas mains and was thinking of going green and future proofing with electric rads for the whole house.
I’m in the same situation with no mains gas connection, just trying to do some research if it’s feasible to go fully electric heating
Still not sure just get a gas connection or not. Electric is definitely more expensive per kWh. I was thinking along the lines of going Green and getting solar and battery to reduce the cost in the long term. But initial investment is quite high and I think the high current draw when all your heaters are on during cold days may overload the solar system
I do like the use of the laser level, I love mine, the6 are a great bit of kit.
I will be interested to see how you get on controlling them - I like to be able to set the temperature and the active times and days per week.
Is it worth having a small penny size plastic cable wall entry (the type used for coax) to tidy up where the cable goes into the wall?
These are nice looking modern raditaors, but in my opinion the bluetooth lets it down. These need to be wifi controlled so that you can turn it on and off when you are no where near them. Plus you could hook them up with IFTTT then.
Could you tell me which microphone are you using in this video?
Thanks so much and well done! great content as always!
You're mistaken to suggest that the circulation pump pushes the water to the top of the radiator. The hot water entering the radiator rises to the top simply because it's hot. The inlet and outlet are the same size so the water can flow straight through the radiator without obstruction. Standard radiators work perfectly when converted and I've been doing them for years.
A lot of rads have a baffle on the inlet side to force the water upwards and impede the flow of water straight through the bottom
I'm getting an extension done (4th bedroom) with ensuite. I really don't want to pay for all the pipework etc... to connect to my combi. Would these style electric rads be better for me?
Electric is 4 X as expensive per kW compared to gas,so have a think.
When you look at using electrical items in the uk the best way to gauge there costs is this way. 1 kW is about 12p per hour to run average so 3 rads will be 36p per hour. Your kettle is probably 1.5Kw but it only runs for a few minutes each time. A tumble dryer is the most expensive thing to run. One thing to think about is when your boiler fires up it’s the same pump and burners heating your house no matter how many radiators you have. It still has to pump around the system. If it’s a Combi or a Megaflow tank it’s much cheaper if you can run a flow and return to the loft. Three electric element reds on for 5 hours min in a day is £3 x by 1 week is £21 x 1 month is £84 ..I would be interested to know exactly how many hours the elements run in the oil for a days heat.
in September 2022, the costs above would be very desirable.
Great video, do you have any running cost comparisons?
We're thinking of getting the vertical radiators, I've seen mixed reviews where people are getting technical problems with them (Bluetooth connectivity breaking etc) How's your experience been so far?
Don’t use them enough to give a full review but the Bluetooth is only really used to set up timings and temps. Not designed to turn them on and off from around the house.
@@TheRestorationCouple Thanks!
What app this that? Need help on what app to use
Can’t find these anywhere in the US.
How are you finding the cost of running these?
How hot does it get in celcus. If it was gas it's about 50celcus
How long do your radiators take to heat? We installed ours today. Its taken 4 hours of running at the highest setting and is still only warm
I’m having this same problem, did you find a solution?
I’m having the same problem. Been installed since April, and had nothing but problems with them!
Yep, same. Just installed and on max and I can still hold the bars (barely waem).
Good news, having messed about with a number of these radiators I have finally cracked the cause of the problems of poor heat up, lack of fluid. Two of my rads were low and so were the replacements. I’ve found out that filling them and getting most of the air out is tricky due to the design. Here’s the method- from the element hole fill with propylene glycol till it’s near the top, then tilt the rad over so that fill hole raises upward, radiator is now pivoting on the diagonal opposite corner and air should escape. Tilt the radiator back down as before and level should have dropped, now fill again and repeat. Once the level seems to remain stable, put the cap back on, then hold the radiator flat like a stretcher with the oval bars facing up. What you are trying to do at this stage is get air that may be trapped in the round tubes into the bars. Now be careful when tilting the rad back up, lift the side where you have been filling from up first so any air in the bars goes into the fill tube, then put on it’s side for a repeat of the initial fill steps as above. You are supposed to leave a small expansion gap at the top but from my experience it’s so hard to get all the air out of the rad anyway so 2cm from top will do. Now fit the element, u should have to tilt the rad to stop fluid coming out as idiotman in the main video above realised, that way u know it’s full. Please note u have to put element into the port as labelled otherwise the temp sensing rod is not in right orientation required by manufacturer. - let me know how you get on, I have to say while customer service won’t give you this method they are responsive and easy to work with, they also refunded my glycol purchase. From what I can tell, the key to these rads is you have to have fluid in the top round bar to allow circulation, otherwise you get the halfway warm results we’ve all seen.
Very interesting...if only we can get the cost of 'leccy down!
Not a chance of that happening, who do u think is paying for all the wind farms and other renewables n goveenment grant free boiler n cav wall grants. We are paying for it, no such thing as a free meal.
Can you purchase, import, and install these in the United States? I'm looking for oil filled wall mounted heaters in the US and I'm having a hard time. Thanks.
Aldi occasionally have oil filled radiators. Easy Home, 2kw. £15 here in UK. About $12. We use one in our static caravan (trailer) bedroom. Excellent. Heats area 12x13ft on low setting.
I use those small oil filled rads ,find them really warm and energy efficient.
i like them too, but they really eat elect, like his install will too.
Do they come with a thermostat?
I'm intrigued why you went for this sort of panel radiator and not some of these infra red panels?
Simon Clark period property- these are more in keeping perhaps? A modern take on the Victorian cast iron type.
are these any good for a 5m x 3m conservatory?
Will cost a bundle in bills. Extra 600 a year minimum
Hi Tim, sorry to ask but are these radiators still in manufacture ? I’ve tried emailing and had no response, I like the look of the ones you fitted but can’t seem to see them on the website or get price and availability from a supplier, great video as usual btw
Not sure I’m afraid. I believe so.
can you fit a plug to the radiator instead of hardwire?
No, these have to be hardwired legally
what is the fluid in these rads,please?
Looks good Tim. Any reason you didn’t fancy doing the wiring urself? Did u want the certificate?
Was done at same time as other bits that needed signing off by BC.
I guess you could do this to any radiator, fill it water and a small amount of inhibitor, fit the element, that’ll work won’t it?
Gary Wright I'd be concerned about expansion of water in a sealed radiator.
Hi can any tell me can you install these elements on vertical rads
Just column or towel radiators. New video coming out soon.
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Why would you install electric rads at over 4x the price per kW than gas,
Given that a lot fo people are going for solar/wind power, or fitting power walls like the Tesla one, getting free/cheap electric will make them cheaper than gas, which is not a replenishable resource.
Getting the powerwall is even better when owning your own home, since most people are switching to EVs then just charge the car and heat the house of that, charge the wall on offpeak rates if you don't have solar, I just wish all these were a thing when I grew up, and they could've been if it wasn't for lazy and greedy companies.
Will4May The typical domestic property simply does not have sufficient roof space for enough solar to run electric heat, especially in winter when the sun is low and days are short but the heating load is at its maximum. We can use anything from 120 to 150 kWh of gas per day in the winter heating our fairly modest home- that's many times higher than the output of a typical domestic solar array in winter. Even if you could produce enough power during short daylight hours, you would need a vast battery to store sufficient power to run the heating through the evening and until the panels start generating again the next day.
@@spencerwilton5831 Completely agree with you . just when you need the heating the most is the time of year when your solar is producing next to nothing. The gas providers are starting to blend hydrogen into the the gas supply so it isn't quite the Devil it once was, with plans to increase the percentage (rumoured to be 100%) eventually.
Moving forward, electric heating wont add any value to your property. most prospective buyers will see it as a disadvantage and something needing to be remedied. They will look at the bottom line- your energy bill.
Gareth Hughes I think the truth is actually that most people are actually unaware of wind power rather than ignoring it. On a domestic level wind power doesn't make sense, small scale turbines on people's roofs would be an eyesore and produce insignificant amounts of power. However large scale turbines, particularly the vast, offshore ones make perfect sense in many places and indeed provide a significant and growing portion of the UK's power requirements. It's quite clear that in the not too distant future all new homes will be electric only, likely heated by a heat pump and, one would hope - much better insulated than properties being built today. How we will deal with the issue of older homes remains to be seen- we would need several times the current generating capacity if we were to eliminate gas, and I can't see hydrogen making a significant contribution simply because of the economies of producing it from anything other than fossil fuels, which largely defeats the object.
Would these be suitable for bathrooms?
Yes providing they are wired correctly and in the correct zone, I.e far enough away from Bath, etc. There are towel radiators too I think.
You've got the terma Bluetooth valve on the wrong way on your upstairs radiator. It should be facing up not on the side.
Looks like a nice solution to a common problem. I assume you meant Wifi not Bluetooth?
No these are just Bluetooth. The idea is more to allow you to transfer your saved schedule from app rather than constant control. Well that’s how I saw it, if your close enough for Bluetooth to control it, you’re being lazy! 😂
what do you think of IR ceiling panels?
Not used them but have plans to try them
In a cabin build this winter. 👍
Note in the UK electricity is four times the cost of gas per KWH
Electric rads really only make sense in a very well insulated property. But I guess there are other cost/benefits that could make them doable.
But the electonic control allows them to be on for only an hour or two per day instead of being on for sixteen hours with the rest of the central heating. So the power costs four times as much but it's on for a tenth of the time so overall it costs two and a half times less.
@@petehiggins33 my GCH rads have thermostats so once the room is at temperature they switch off.
@@JohnnyMotel99 Which means that they run at some duty cycle all day keeping the room warm when there's nobody in them, we're talking about bedrooms here.
number 33 A vary basic timer and zone valve would completely solve that problem though.
So it's as good as gas?
I take it that the little thing was just a magnet that is attracted to the stud screws?
Yep, just my poor mans stud finder!
Don’t poor out to much water,other wise there won’t be sufficient water to heat all the panels,the water levels need to be above the height of the top of the vertical panels.
Music at 8:00 please anyone????
Thanks for the how to! Very helpful. Apologies if im being a donut here.... I've just mounted same electric radiators but wondered... do we 'bleed' them after installing? Im thinking given the air that would have got in when inserting the terma element? Or is it not required in electric ones? Thanks in advance!
No they are usually correctly filled I think. I imagine there needs to be some room for expansion anyway.
If you're going for electric (expensive but better to regulate) then why not in the form of underfloor heating foil? Also they'd better ditch the bluetooth for rf or wifi signal so you can couple it with the domotics in the rest of the house and do all kinds of remote stuff.
Underfloor only works where possible to do so, exposed floorboards in loft rooms and would not produce enough heat output for small room like porch. 👍
Are they just like a socket ring