Making Dual Extracted Mushroom Tinctures
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- Опубліковано 7 вер 2024
- This video breaks down the process of making Dual extracted Tinctures, as well as offers some alternative ways this can be done.
Why Make a Dual Extracted tincture?
DE's are one of the most effective ways to extract from plants and mushrooms that contain both water and alcohol soluble chemistry.
In this video, you will learn:
- why you should make Dual Extracts
- the basic benefits of 5 wild medicinal mushrooms
- best ways to prep hard mushrooms for extracting
- how to make a high potency hot water extract
- how to make a high potency alcohol extract
- combining, formulating, and recording for repeatability and consistency
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I have difficulty with the math. Love the presentation.
Love it, peace and love. This stuff works really well on digestion and digestive health. I had a double bowel resection and wild mushrooms healed my gut and scar tissue making it possible to eat solid foods that were not possible before. NHL Stage IV cancer survivor.
Wow! Nature knows best huh👍
Bless☀️
God bless!! Hope u are doing well :)
That's amazing! Congrats and wishing you continued good health!
Amazing!! 🥰 Keep doing what your doing!! 🤩
David Attenborough of the Plant Kingdom, could listen and be inspired to that voice all day long. Thank you.
Right there with you on that. Even better would be to try what he teaches ;)
@@ketonic1084 Doing it as you type my friend.
Medley, but melody takes me places so I might just adopt that.
I felt the same, but “harmony” seems even better.
Clear explanations, non-boring presentation, no sales pitch
Thanks for the breakdown. I have extracted several things with alcohol and realized that there are several desirable compounds that are water soluable that I need to retain. This is the exact method I was imagining and *poof* it's already here and presented eloquently! Many, many thanks 🙏
1part tincture at 190 proof + 1 part decoction of reishi. Poured the tincture into the decoction and the polysaccharides precipitated out. Thanks for the formula
Did you reuse the tinctured mushrooms in your decoction or do equal portion of mushrooms in alcohol extraction : water decoction?
I've heard so many wonderful things about magic mushrooms but I can't easily get some, Is there any realiable source I can purchase from??
I'm so interested in the experience but am terrified of having a bad trip
I did two grams last time, it was a thrilling experience and I enjoyed it
( dream.spores)
Got psych's*
This whole thing is pretty new to me, can I try 3grams?
@@annamason3087 where to search? Is it IG ??
Chaga was highly used in the Gitxsan Nation for Rheumatoid Arthritis. Typically you did a burn ceremony...but i use in a tincture for my daughters RA psin stability.
Shrooms have potential to deal with mental health symptoms, I would like to try them again but it's hard to source out here.
I am feeling the same way also I put too much on my plate and it definitely affect my stress and anxiety levels.
Hi! I'm late, but please check out how to do the Uncle Ben's technique! You can most likely order spore syringes perfectly legally and that particular process is SO EASY!! Anyone can do it, and you do not need fancy gear or equipment
-that's a lot of Chaga! A true friend indeed.
Wow, that's a lot of mushrooms. I like to make it separately. I make the tea when I want to drink it (I've filmed how I make my tea too), and then I add the tincture (the tincture can be store for a long time). I prefer this way because it's less liquid that we have to store.
In nature I only use to find three of them: Ganoderma lucidum , Trametes versicolor and Ganoderma applanatum. I think it won't be easy for everyone to find all of those 5 species, even by buying them... but as you said the tincture can be done with only one species. Nice share. Congratulations for your 150k my friend.
Is your video less confusing?
@@tawana2inspire Check yourself my friend ua-cam.com/video/jr2JY77YB9I/v-deo.html
We do it with ever clear lol and it’s SUPER NICE!!! And they kick in LITERALLY 10 to 20 minutes if that and pack a hell of a punch
Isn't that wonderful. Thanks for taking the time to show use this method. Especially now, to make our own health products for family and friends. Blessings. Alberta.
You’re the best brother, sending so much love to you and yours!
Have you ever tried ultrasound to speed up extractions. I have tried it on aging and infusing alchol using california white oak and with cinnamon bark. It would probably cut your 2 weeks down to 2 hours. Oh I also used it on a stinging nettle tincture. A 4 hour ultrasound seemed stronger than a two weeks tincture. There is also a possible benefit that it might be making nano particles for an easier uptake and bioavailability like it does for liposomal vitamin C. So a win win in my book. You do need to keep an eye on temperature. If you are in oregon washington area I would not mind bringing my equipment to see what you might think. I know it impressed me. Hope to hear back from you.
Where did you get the ultrasound machine from? It sounds expensive.
@@foresthug909 the first one I've got at harbor freight had to repair it twice if you get one remove most of the fins blocking the airflow second one I got online just parts and put it together 40 kilohertz 60 what pretty easy a lot cheaper than harbor freight and a lot better and I found a couple at Goodwill. All the pre-made ones have an airflow problem so that needs improved if you buy one.
@@kennethhathaway3090 Thanks for your quick response. Do you think you could make a video of it? I am not based in the US, so won't have access to the same retailers as you. Here in Europe there is a biggish company Kaapa that seems to sell them to commercial companies. I am starting out and interested at alternatives that don't break the bank.
@@foresthug909
Sorry not into doing the videos don't have a camera set up or anything so you have to figure it out
But like I said before 40 kilohertz 60 w is what I used
Thank you for sharing the way (ways) to make really good immune boosting medicines. Do this out doors if you can it makes it better in my opinion. Be safe and be well.
Thank you! This answered questions that I had and will help me refine my process to make a better product.
You are just so wise and inspiring. I'd love more than anything to join you for a walk in the forest
Great sharing Yarrow. I agree that it is best to do the dual extraction with mushrooms.
Are you able to use a pressure cooker to create the decoction? So something like 2000ml of water pressured in an instant pot for a couple of hours. Then put it on sauté until the liquid gets to the 1500 mark. This would be a lot easier and not involving gas stoves etc.
So the process would be something like:
1. Get 750ml of 75% alcohol in a mason jar and put in 150g of mushrooms. You can use 150 proof vodka.
2. Shake for 2 weeks.
3. After 2 weeks, pressure cook 300g of mushrooms in 2000ml of water fo 2 hours.
4. Let it cool and self release.
5. Simmer and stir using the saute function until the liquid is 1500ml. Shouldn't take long to reduce it to 1500ml.
6. Replace the lid and let it cool down for a while until warm.
7. Add the alcohol mix and use a sealed silicone lid. Shake every now and then for 2 days.
8. Strain and bottle.
No stoves, no gas, no risk of setting fire to the alcohol, and most of it is temperature controlled with the instant pot so no worries. Set and forget.
I know this is an older post, but were you able to do this in the pressure cooker with good results for the tincture?
Can we reuse the rest of the sediment and pulp and what can we do with that? Thank you for all your share of videos!! Amazing!!!
Hi Yarrow :) First, I love. your videos :) Second, could I do the simplistic version in the reverse, Ie.Make the tincture first, then strain and use that material to make the decoction. Then combine the two? Thanks in advance, Robin
great video,,seems complicated for the first time
Awesome stuff, brother. One day I'm gonna reach this level!
Emil hells, yes you are. Keep learning, friend! The mushrooms WANT to heal. WANT to be known.
Yes, thank you!
Thank you for the excellent step-by-step video!
Paul Stamets is King of medicinal mushroom extracts
I've read that some of the active ingredients from water extraction are degraded above 23% abv, so best stability is between 20% and 23% (Organic Mushroom Farming and Mycoremediation by Tradd Cotter). It may be different for different mushrooms I theorize. I aim for 21.5% w/ my mushroom double extractions. But I've seen product w/ everywhere from 20-50% alcohol. Also I don't understand the need for diluting to 75% beforehand unless it's just to symplify the math...?
Miatake and lion's mane are also good candidates for double extraction.
Thank you for the reference. It’s important for me to know the correct strength solvent for preservation of medicinal properties in tinctures. Say that 10 times fast!
Thank you for also letting me know how to proof down alcohol that way. Any reason why to proof down to 75% for the mushroom tincture? Would a stronger solvent kill the medicinal properties? Thank you so much. I really appreciate your effort in sharing with others 🙏
It doesn't do that with RSO so I don't think alcohol would mess up mushrooms but good question though? 🤔🙄
My guess is he’s using 75% alcohol so it’s around 35% alcohol by volume when finished.
Dude your brain is firing on all cylinders 😄 I need to try this
You can use 100 proof vodka, 50% water 50 % alcohol. That way you get all of her properties.
That works for a cold water extraction, but you don’t get the benefits of a hot water decoction, which arguably does a lot more because the heat breaks down the chitin and makes the medicinal water-soluble compounds much more bioavailable.
Different materials (mushrooms, herbs, cannabis etc) require different strength alcohol to extract the nutrients correctly. You need about 75% for this. 50% will extract something, but not as much as 75%.
Yarrow, thank you for sharing this process! I had a question regarding the freezing method. Would it be possible to do the alcohol extraction first and then strain the mushrooms to be used in a hot water decoction? This would save the freezing step and possible be a bit more efficient.
Hello yes i would also like to see this answer i belived that the freezer was to eliminate bugs but do you then when making the tincture use as frozen or defrost and then dry out?
@@jemmathomas4951 Me too. what i have read on other websites is you can do that. first alc extraction and after that water extraction.
problem with that, from my understanding, is that the alcohol, if more than 25% ABV, will destroy most of the beta-glucans before you can even get them out with the hot water decoction, so hence doing the decoction before the tincture. Also understand that the hot water will also evaporate off many of the triterpenes you’re trying to extract with alcohol, so really it is best to do them separately, and combine by adding the tincture to the decoction, and not the other way around, so as to slowly increase the ABV in the final product up to around 25%, keeping those triterpenes intact. Hope this helps, and makes sense.
@@sailtulsi7267 Super helpful, thank you!
I just want to be there in that forest behind you RIGHT NOW ♥️
This is GREAT info.! Thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Thanks for teaching me about this! Impressive
Hi, can you recommend a good book for making tinctures please?
Hi herbal jedi
I recently found your channel and love what you do.
I have started collecting slicing and drying my collection of birch,tinder hoof, mustard, humpback ridge,turkey tails,artist conk and dhialdalis!
I am making my first tincture for my wife who has had uterus cancer and now skin cancer..I am making a blend of them and know the artist conk,humpback and birch are particularly anti cancer properties!
Can you recommend the best concoction to be most effective please as I am a dedicated amateur who has been hunting morning to night 12 hours a day since finding this amazing information and have several kilos of dried mushrooms.
Also found my first hen of the woods and lions manes plus many others..am seriously addicted to this hobby and would say am obsessed to the highest level! Rewarding beyond belief and highly addictive.
Harvest nearly a kilo of turkey tails in Bulgaria today! Can I freeze my remains or do I need to dry them like all my others?
Would massively appreciate any advice from anyone who has knowledge like yourself!
Thank you kindly and hope you have time to answer
Chris
Hey brother just found your channel which has been amazing and so syncronistic as I have recently been called to work more deeply with the beautiful and sacred Fungi kingdom, I was just wanting to learn how to do a double extraction and you have demystified it perfectly 👍❤️🙏 love your content and your vibe , would love to hear more about the effects on the body consciousness matrix of using these immunomodulatory fungi as it's clear your connected to them and nature in a profound way 🙏❤️ much peace love and gratitude for everything you do
Good content. Would you then cut back on the amount of turkey tail used in a turkey tail tincture also or would you increase the amount of alcohol because of the greater volume of turkey tail? Is the 1 to 5 ratio the minimum amount of alcohol to extract the greatest amount of active ingredients of each type of mushroom? I am all about using the least amount of alcohol to get the best result, because alcohol is expensive and I don't drink alcohol other than an occasional shot of tincture which is rarely at all.
Been waiting for this for a long time after piecing together bits and pieces of info from others. Seems I've been doing it mostly right, but thanks so much for the complete how-to!
How do you know the temperature has not destroyed or changed the molecular make up of the "mushroom goodness" during this process? Certain temps change or decarb, or destroy. Examples: THC and temps or Pscilocybin and temps. Any science papers out there regarding this information for these medicinal mushrooms?
That was fantastic. Thank you
Thank you! THis was exactly what I was looking for!
Phenomenal video! Thank You
Love the video. Thank You so much for sharing your knowledge. I'd love to know how to identify all this stuff so I could make my own. That would be so gratifying. Unfortunately right now can't walk in the woods due to a seriously messed up back. Have seen a few surgeons that are afraid to touch me. Just found a new one and seen him last week. He ordered 2 MRIs and 2 Cats. I see him tomorrow to see if he can finally help me. I'm extremely nervous. He did mention (depending on the pics he'll get) even without seeing them that it would be a very hard and serious surgery. And recovery would take awhile. He said I will need help when I get out of the hospital, but I have no one at all to help me so I can't let him know that. But I'm very determined and bullheaded, so I'll be fine. If he will do the surgery. So I've got to have faith that he'll give me a life again. Being out of nature has been killing me... If you happen to read this wish me luck, please.
Wishing you all of the luck in the world.
@@wintergirll Thank You very much! Need all the luck I can get.
@@seasonofthewitch4209 Here we are a year later. I too finally had scary neck surgery and have my life back. I hope that you do too!
@@nancyfelicia3631 I'm very happy for you! Unfortunately, my outcome wasn't very good.
@@seasonofthewitch4209 I'm sorry to hear that. I hope something good breaks for you soon.
thank you for teaching it
Thanks Man, good information good demonstration. Blessings and Peace.
Thank you so much. You are a wonderful teacher 🙂.
We have Ganoderma Sessile in Arkansas. Our native Reishi cousin.
I love your videos. Thank you for sharing 😊
Fab video as always! Thanks for sharing your hard earned skills and knowledge Dude..🙏✌️❤️
Im confused, I’ve heard mushrooms and all fungi are structurally composed of chitin while plants are structurally composed of cellulose. Cellulose can break down in alcohol while chitin has a natural resistance to it meaning alcohol tinctures aren’t all they’re cracked up to be but I could be mistaken. I’m new to all of this and for now will just stick to boiling in water as a tea or coffee.
Great stuff. Thanks.
THANKSGIVING
where in Canada u buy 95% alcohol, less expencive, pls? Also, you diluted it with no distilled water?
In order to see how much water has remained in the pot after cooking is to measure the weight of the pot before/after.
Why would you use less of the mushroom that weighs the least? Shouldn't it be the opposite?
Hello, thank you for your amazing video! so... would this be a 2:1 tincture? thank you in advance! :)
Thank you, Yarrow. First i just really need to establish whether you are referring to the % as per 'Proof', or as per ABV, please.. It seems to change depending on who i'm talking to or watcning.. :) I've made a dual extraction tinture with dried Reishi last year, and I like it.. Mine was a great deep colour but I think evaporating off more water next time will be even better. This is time I'm going to make a combined fungi tincture rather than a simple, so will research more carefully the various attributes and etc.. I was wondering about the energetics of Ganoderma applantum, because that one I'm certain I have growing in my gully.. It certainly grows and looks like Artist's Conk, and does the dark brown scratch thing but I'll check before using it.. We don't have the Asian Reishi here, although people say that Turkey's Tails and Lion's Mane grows nearby (subtropical rainforest here but in cooler temperate micrclimates amongst that.. ). There is not so much written over here about Artist's Conk medicinally, so I was wondering if it has similar psyche/spirit grounding/soothing properties to the Reishi lucidum? Thank you so much for all that you do, Yarrow. ❤️🙏❤️
Thank you for this! Very informative video
I took a short 2 hour mycology class where the teacher said alcohol extraction is the best way to extract the medicinal compounds out of mushooms because the chitin isn't broken down through any other way. So my question is: why do the decoction if water is unable to break down the chitin to get to the medicinal compounds? Does heat break chitin down?
Let me answer a question, that everyone wants to ask but is afraid to ask: "Yes, it will work too"
For the good shrooms??!!!
This is a complicated video for the layman ! If you covered powdered silly simon's with alcohol, let it sit for a couple of weeks and then boiled it down to a desired amount, would that work ?
Are you talking about using Vodka? Cause that is what I was thinking
It will extract any compounds that our bodies will extract. So, yes. Tried and true. Careful when you test it out!!!
Thank you kind god
Wow, sounds wonderful, thank you so much 😘
Your ridiculous smart mate!! Is there a simplified recipe written out I may follow? Thx as always #mushroomFantasies
F@cking stellar, this was precisely what I was looking for. Thanks for sharing your knowledge
Thank you so much!
Can you give me link where I can purchase alcohol of this strength as I can’t get it in any alcohol store of this strength. Would be grateful for your advice. Thank you for great video, very helpful. This will be my first time making lions Maine double extraction.
This is a very informative video. Thanks so much, even with all the math I think I understand what to do to make a dual extraction. For now, I will probably just order some from you since I don't have the raw materials on hand. Great info!
What do you mean by 75% alcohol, is this drinking alcohol? What brand do you use?
Has to be if you're going to put it in your body.
@@GreenGino I was just wondering the brand of alcohol he used, I had always drank Grey Goose and its only 40%
@@Gawonii1Austencao you can use grey goose you just need the proper proof rating
75% alcohol is 150 proof. Making the alcohol he used to be everclear, it can come stronger too lol. When he puts the water in it dilutes the alcohol and brings it down to 25% or 50 proof. The alcohol acts as a preservative as well so you don’t get no nasty mold up in there. Cheers
I saw a 150 proof vodka called Devils Spring. You can even get it in 750ml!
Who has a good book regarding mushroom protocol use and who to use them and in what way or illness?
Excellent video! What kind of alcohol do you use?
Are the tinctures bioavailable at that temperature?
Chitin is broken down at 340 degrees Celsius. I think in the hot water extraction tanks, they are 180 degrees Celsius - they sit for 8 hours at this temperature though. I'm wondering if my extract will be just as bioavailable when done on a lower temperature. Or if completing it at a higher temperature will be better?
I forgot to ask to, what temperature was the hot water extract done at?
Thanks for all the info how to make it..I wrote down the amount you said of the mushroom/alcohol but the amount of the water/mushroom is not clear.could you Pleasevtell me that amount Thanks so much.i want to make for my son has MS
300g of mushrooms with 6 liters of water that gets reduced to a final size of 1500ml. This is so you can get a 750 alcohol: 1500ml water decoction - a ratio of 1:2 to give a final alcohol content of 25% when its all mixed together.
you should give a link to that log
Thank you for the video! Wondering if you could share wonderful paper recording log you have in video.
I already make Usnea Tincture and that stuff is an amazing Natural anti-viral, anti- infective solution combined with my Colloidal silver I call them the dynamic duo. We are just getting into the Turkey Tail and Mushroom tinctures. WE have 44 acres full of so many medicinal mushrooms so I am game on. We do have Chaga sorry you do not. I know that the alcohol and heat extraction is the one way that does the best medicinal extraction. I was told that the alcohol soak needs to be 2-4 weeks. In Usnea it is 8 weeks. So I am leaning towards alcohol soak first then strain and now take your very clean water Our well is Mountain Spring tested quality about 70 TDS on a meter. No iron or arsenic nothing but pure goodness. Ingredients are important especially the water. For a 1 quart jar I would then boil 1-2 cups of water and now put the Turkey Tail in that stir for a bit and turn off the heat and leave it steep until room temperature. Strain again and combine the liquids Wa La Tincture made. I then want to take the strained remains and put them on a tray in a dehydrator. Then crush them into powders to make Chocolate powder mushroom mix and capturing all of the medicinal value of the Turkey Tail. Have you ever heard of anyone doing this? What are your thoughts on my potential process?
Great tips!
Question, where can I find the worksheets that you are using to record what you are doing?
hello, so when you do it with this method, how would i know a precise dosae when taking the extract, like how many grams would i be taking in 1 ML if i decided to do this with other types of shrooms.
Would it be ok if I mix; reshi, lion's mane, chaga, turkey tail and cordecepts all together for tincture?
Hello i picked some turkey tail.and dried it using a dehydrator can i still use this to make tinctures. Thankyou from scotland
Absolutely. Other sources I've visited explicitly say to dry the mushroom first before starting the process.
I’m sorry can you please explain one more time about the ratios being different for different mushrooms? So if one is heavier than another does that mean we use less of it? Thank you.🙏
Can someone suggest a more basic/simpler less confusing way of doing this please. Thanks ❤
Hi Jarrow, I'm very curious to know: How often or rather how seldom do you get sick???))) Thanks
Herbal Jedi Hay I woul love a wild herbal tea completion, 30 best wild herbal tea and there uses video. Or the philosophers stone both are very cool ideas.
Can U put the alcohol in a double boiler at low temp for a few hours to not have to wait 2-6 weeks?
Could you please explain why it might be better to use one mushroom at a time opposed to five at a time in the same medicinal tincture?
Great video, thanks
I know how powerful this tincture is but I still don't comprehend the math to get the parts accurate. I find it rather confusing.
Just takes time, honestly I don’t fiddle with the math too much. All you need to know is how strong is your alcohol strength
I posted a comment on how to work it out.
Wonderful, thank you...
I'm just getting into tinctures I've got a question. I'm making my tinctures from either 100 proof vodka or 190 proof everclear. Any reason why you don't extract with those proofs. Drain and filter your material , add that to pure water and allow that to extract. Then mix those 2 liquids into a concoction with a lower alcohol content ?
Love your videos Yarrow
Awesome! Thank you.
A very focused stoner you are Master Jedi...hmm...yes
Can you extract psilocybine with alcohol? Or do you recommend using water method?
thank you for this detailed video. i’m excited to refine my process using your teachings. i’m wondering- do you prefer the freezer method over doing the tincturing first? seems freezer is better because it uses/wastes less mushrooms. i had been doing my alcohol extract and then using the same mushrooms for the water extract and use 190 proof alcohol
Hi, yeah I was wondering about this. Why not just use the same mushrooms from the alcohol extract? Is there a reason not to that you know of?
QUESTION??? Why not tincture the mushrooms first then use the same mushrooms for the decoction?? Since both pull out what is needed? Otherwise that is a ton of mushrooms. Is there a reasons this isn't possible?? Love the video's
Sorry posted before I saw the rest of the video, I will decoct first then do the tincture. Thanks
Wonderful...what a treasure to find you. Subbed and looking forward to learning more.
Thank you, Yarrow! Great explanation! What if I have powdered form of Chaga mushrooms, how long should I boil it for? Thanks