68 GTX 440 (4-spd) vs 69 Mustang 428SCJ (4-spd) - "Mustangs vs Muscle Cars" ('80s Pure Stock Drags)
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- Опубліковано 21 сер 2024
- '80s Pure Stock Drags featuring Ford Mustangs of the late '60s - early '70s mixing it up with Muscle Cars from same era.
From bruising Mopars to heavy hitting Mercurys!
I was driving the 1969 Mustang 428SCJ. It was a stock 428 SCJ with 4:30 gears. My best time in the actual race was 13.76. I ran a 13.44 with the mufflers unhooked in practice. My times were inconsistent due to a worn out shifter that I couldn't find a replacement for before the race. It was a fun weekend but very hot. I think the temps hurt everyone's times up a little.
Thanks Chet!!! ❤️
Do you still have the car?
No sir, I do not. I sold it several years ago.@@neilwhitmore
Nice to see some REALISTIC times, wow that BIG Catalina gets up and goes
Yeah, this was true "pure stock" drag racing, 100%. This is what these cars ran "off showroom floors"...
@@nedaCFilms I just turned 65 and spent plenty of time at NY National Speedway in the late 60's so i know what most cars REALLY ran not all old war stories, sure a 396 Chevelle was faster than a 350 Malibu but still somewhere in the 14's was the norm unless it was a 396/375 with 410/456 gears. I worked with a guy who had a dead stock 70 SS 396 Chevelle with 331 gears and a 4 speed, he barely got into the 14's at about 95 mph at Epping NH drag strip after i moved to MA. I worked at a Shell gas station then age 20 and found a 67 RS Camaro body that had a 12 bolt with 456 gears, no engine or trans. so a buddy of mine who worked at a basic machine shop told me he got a stock bore 427/425 engine with a spun rod bearing and the owner already found a stock engine replacement so all i had to do was pay the disassembly bill and give him 100.00 for heads, factory solid cam, big oil pan etc. Had the crank ground and put it together, with 25 inch slicks and a JUNK Holley 780 ran mid 12's at 108-110 with NO tuning, just drove it up there, opened the headers and made a few runs, the guy who i borrowed the slicks from told me if i put a Tarantula single plane and a 800/850 DP should run low 12's but i worked at that gas station and making about 2 bucks an hr. Compared to those 14 sec. 95 mph cars it would walk on them but 456 gears arent really street/highway gears so always looking for back roads to go somewhere. I had a Lakewood scattershield, lakewood comp. trac. bars with the big J hooks, had the hideaways and L-88 hood with a big radiator and looked tough from the front with the hideaways, scattershield , big stock Chevy oil pan and the L-88 hood, that factory 520 solid cam was good, decent idle, linear and revved over 6.
That was the beginning of the 1st gas shortage so not a time to build an L-88 street engine with 12.5 pistons and more radical cam, i had a friend and told me the 2nd phase L-88 cam was better than the initial design but that was a rough idling cam.
PERFORMANCE ENGINE BUILDING has a some great video series on building a 600+ hp 454 using cast heads, he knows LOTS of tricks and gets SERIOUS power from his ported cast heads.
Love the way you get straight to the race without some whimpy voice guy trying to be funny.
I agree that wimpy guy doesn't know jack about muscle cars and is constantly making incorrect statements.
He thinks he is funny but he just sounds like an idiot 15 year old boy
Way too much jabber at the drag strips today by wanna be what evers !!
I could watch these races all day...
I literally have hours and hours on the channel lol. '60s, '70s & '80s muscle car "pure stock" races.
I did bro
Two things that really stood out in this video: Lots of Mustangs! We don't see too many stangs in the new Pure Stock Drags! Second, how ridiculous track prep has gotten! Modern tracks look like black glass!
Great points!
I love the Pure Stock Drags but those cars are far from stock. I considered running a few of my mustangs until I spoke to some of the participants and realized just how prepared the cars were.
@@MWILSON7 Consider this, stock Teslas will go out there and blow away most ICE vehicles of any era. The rules of engagement have changed.
@@WW-wf8tu not that interesting to be honest. There’s no soul in a Tesla.
It's a 'Mustangs' video... so lots of them...
Great stuff ! Takes me back to the late 80's when I started drag racing in my 1980 Firebird Formula. I ditched the 301 for a built 400 from a super rusty '75 Trans Am and started drag racing at Great Lakes Dragaway. The classic 60's and 70's muscle cars were always at the track in those days.
It was a great time!
Love seeing that 70 GS Buick. Often under appreciated car of that era. Lots of torque with the 455.
One of my personal favorites! A seasoned driver could hand a HEMI powered Mopar it's ass in a torque terror 455 Buick GS!!! They were monsters on the street. We actually have a few feature vids of the 455 Buick on the channel. Have a look!
@@nedaCFilms If you look at a Big Block Buicks bore/stroke design, it's really a giant SBC IMO. In stock form, a BBB is hard to beat. If you put an aluminum intake on a 400-430-455, it weighs the same as a SBC and has more HP and a LOT more torque. Torque moves the world, you don't see TF and FC running small blocks, LOL.
@@TheEquineFencer Buick Olds & Pontiac never made a Big Block displacement engine. The 260 cid. Olds block is externally the same as the 455 cid. engine. 260, 326, 350 403 & 455
@@rickyrudd28texacohavolinef2 That's actually not true, the 400 and 455 Olds block had a 1" taller deck height than the 260,307,330,350,403 block, and assembled was over 3" wider
@@rickyrudd28texacohavolinef2 and besides, Buick Pontiac and Oldsmobile V8's were different engines, only sharing a transmission bolt pattern
Mann that 428 stang is BEAUTIFUL!!!!!! Hell all of them
And that automatic 428 sounded amazing too
Yeah that thing is gorgeous!!! I don't know which car I would pick if I could have my choice. Maybe that '72 Trans am 455 H.O or that '72 Dodge Demon 340.
Actually that green Super Duty Trans am!!!!!
MustangTown / V8Ponycars That Demon!
@@nedaCFilms the 1972 T/A has the honeycomb grille , the other years ( 1970-1973) only have ugly egg crate grilles
Amazing that these muscle cars were considered so fast in their day. Stock factory today would blow their doors off while getting great mileage too. That’s progress.
50 year contrast in technology... and 12s back then would be like 10s today I suppose. Thanks for watching and commenting!
They also cost 10-15X as much and you can’t work on them without voiding your warranty. The cars today all come with factory shorty headers, a real good intake manifold a free flowing exhaust and a lot bigger camshafts. These would all be the basic mods that someone should do to there cars to wake them up and all these mods combined would cost them less than a grand. The best part is that if you had basic mechanical skills you could do all the work yourself because when you opened the hood you could SEE the engine but not with todays cars. The new car handle way better, stop shorter and start with no problem where the old muscle cars it could be iffy with the points in the distributor and the crappy plug wires that would love to crossfire. The new performance cars have it all over the stock 60’s and 70’s muscle cars but the older cars really responded to simple engine mods that you could just about double the power of a small block with these mods which I did with my 1970 340 4 speed Duster. Ask anyone who had a muscle car or two back in the day if they would want the new cars or their old muscle car and most would agree that they would rather have their old car back. Plus it will still draw more attention than the new cars.
@@frankjohnson6342 - I’m an old guy that owned and built performance cars back in the 70s, but I still like today’s cars better because I don’t have to work on them all of the time. I enjoy driving more than I do tinkering.
Yeah but todays cars are ugly AF! THEY ALL LOOK THE SAME!
@@frankjohnson6342 I had a "muscle car or two" back in the day. I'll take my modern muscle all day. Tell me more about your slow 340 duster.
This is pure Muscle Car history gold. It brings back great memories and is well worth preserving for future generations to learn from and enjoy. It made my day. Thanks for posting!
Thank you
I had a '65 fastback mustang with a 289 hipo & 4 speed, with a few aftermarket parts. I ran a duster with a 340/ auto. Beat him 2 of 2. I figured he'd beat me, but I guess that's why you race! This was in the early 70's. Sure do miss the days of my youth!❤
In 40 years, today’s 20 year-olds will also be missing their youth ...
Crazy the advancement of technology. My 2019 Mustang GT 5.0 is 460 hp at the crank. All stock it does a 4 sec 0-60 and runs 12s. 14s was considered fast back in the 60s-80s.
Yep
Yes I agree old school just doesn't have the same zip as today's cars None of these cars got 3 digits which surprise me Back when I was a teenager and haty 71 mark 1 I thought it was Really fast I guess it was back in the day
Yeah but your talking 50 plus years of technological advancement. Old v8 s have a great feel to them power and torque at almost any rpm, And you can fix them with relatively basic hand tools. No comparison between carbs and points ignition and modern fuel management systems.
Cant believe how well that Catalina did vs the Shelby.
@@sjd7188 ain't that the truth. I miss the days of having a car you could work on with basic hand tools and not need a computer.
You must have a manual.. my stock 10 speed runs mid 11s @ 120 mph
Awesome.i love these old vids
Today’s cars are definitely faster, but none have a Soul or Personality. Those cars were simply awesome. Unforgettable.
I agree but look at the new performance car prices rediculous
Today's CARS ARE GARBAGE. Today's cars HP rating is from back of engine
Old cars HP at the tires. Do your research
@@eugenehomeier597 I agree expensive junk😄😄😄
Man, a few of these cars would drop .3-.5 with a good tune. Fun to see the nearly stock numbers though.
Yeah, that short stroke 403" Olds Firebird was running 305" numbers!
Back in the day I had a 1969 Mustang Mach 1, 428 CJ, shaker, 4 speed. The only car on the street that ever gave me a real race was a 1969 Road Runner, 440 6 pack, air grabber 4 speed. All the rest on street tires were easy wins for me. And yes 14 flat et at 100 - 101mph in the quarter at the strip was normal for us 428 CJ Mustangs. All racing on the bias ply wide oval street tires.
69 HS grad; this stuff really takes me back! Thank you.
So glad you enjoy this Jay. Thanks for watching! We have many many more vintage muscle car footage on the channel, be sure to check some of the vids bud!
You have a few years on me Jay, I graduated in the '80s lol
Ohh the memories, every race seemed in slow motion compared with races today.
It was a great time to live through. Most fond memories.
@@nedaCFilms
I remember the late 80's early 90's I was 10-11 years old. My neighbor had a 4cyl Turbo Chrysler minivan. He ran brackets, 12.05-12.15. never lost. Cruise control and boost fooled for the day. That little turd was still faster than my 07' Vette. It's a shame these cars weren't even in the 13's. Shit, my 73' Kharmann Ghia ran a 13.00 on a 75hp (estimated) 1776 Dual Sport, dual 34 weber's. My girlfriend's fox body was running 12's in the 90's. I got blamed for all the noise but at least I was faster than these turds. 75hp maybe 85lb/tq. Oh by the way I got 31mpg. No computer either.
Great video!! Excellent match ups of some serious classic cars...💯
I like these retro videos! ❤️👍
Thanks bud. I have more I'll be uploading this fall.
Love this ! Did that weekly. Had all three issues of Mustangs, but my Boss 429 never lost a race. Had it right from speed specialties.
I raced in NMA back in the late 80 even won one in Texas. Man that was fun and we all helped one another out, I even waited on one guy with a 454 chevelle that was having start problems, he won but I didn't care who wants to win like that.(68 GTO & 68 firebird 400)
Awesome story man! Thanks for sharing...
I miss analog recording. The sound and the way the videos views just gives ya a fuller experience. Great line up of races too!
Thanks bud! Be sure to subscribe. We have soooo many hours of analog footage from the '80s & '90s.
Wow among the best videos ever. Thanks
Those are all fantastic old cars! That Shelby looked like he was racing with bicycle tires lol.
I owned a stock ‘69 Mach 1 428 CJ 4 speed 3.50 gears. It ran varying low 14 second tire spinning et’s at a steady 101 mph. Modern technology has rendered that a slug. I’ve told young guys that back then if you had a true 13 second street car that you would be pretty dominant in the cruise night drags. With no timing clocks you could brag about imaginary 12 second e.t.’s. In the intervening years much has been learned about tuning, suspension set up, and torque converter technology for the automatic trans cars. I’m a big fan of the F.A.S.T. drag racing where they cloak big inch strokers into factory appearing stock tire cars. The best of these now run in the 9’s
Well filmed, well narrated and we didn't have to sit through boring burnouts.
Would love to own any one of those cars. Ford, GM or Mopar.
Good old time racing. Thumb up!
I absolutely love these videos. I know people of today with these quarter mile monsters they have, probably laughing their ass off. But these cars were a lot of fun. The times these cars of today turn are about like our gutted out drag cars turn. They were a couple of ol boys in your home town that had some street cars that would go low 12s or maybe even high 11s. But this is what we had back in the day,the cars you are watching are basically the way you went and bought them. Back then who would have thought roughly 50 years later they would be making cars 4500 pounds running 10s and being able to get out on the highway and get around 20 miles to the gallon. #still having fun at 65. lol.
They all made something worth bragging on.
I loved Beech Bend dragway back then and raced there a few times.
Went to the first Sports Nationals there in 1974. Life was so simple back then.
It was amazing times
@@nedaCFilms Yes it was ,some really cool cars back then.
geez ol Ed got his moneys worth
Lol yes
Kids? These are the cars that made your technology a reality
Gm guy here / mechanic of 15 years and no biast against Ford but pretty much from what I see and my what my Mopar loving step dad says Mopar ate about everything up
Try running against a 70 Buick gs stage 2 they 11 flat @ 125 mph very few mopars would touch it if any
Owned a 69 Super Bee 440 Six Pack
Never took it to the strip but fed it allot of Chevelles on the street....
I thought it seemed faster than that
They were faster than the Hemis... lighter engine, better vehicle balance, more torque, more controllable torque... 13.0 flat at 110 MPH stock with a good tune... 4.10 gear...
Omg so many ponies🥰
They all look faster standing still
Those are the cars that we drove in high school. GTX, Gto, firebird, camero, 55 chevy. Class of 1978 and we drove all those cars. Fun times. We’d drag race before class on the farm to market rd near the school
Yep, amazing times
@@nedaCFilms we had a girl that drove a 69 mustang fastback with the louvers on the back window. Really cool.
Very cool to see this and it sure brings me back to a different time! When was the last time you heard tires squealing at the starting line? Been so long I dont even remember!
This might be my favorite comment lol. Thanks!!
Love these old vids.
The days of real cars instead of rolling computers wrapped in plastic.
Real cars with zero speed handling or braking .Only good to pose at car shows i guess.
@@camirocz I’ve seen plenty of real cars with
Brake and suspension upgrades without one computer chip or piece of plastic added and the average working joe could afford to buy maintain and repair them. Keep your political correct money pits.
Yes indeed, these are the times that these cars used to turn, I was there and owned 2 396 chevelles, auto and 4 speed. Nothing back then PS ever touched the 12's and for that matter any 13 was rare. Everything was analog, vacuum and centrifically controlled. Couldn't even check mixture without pulling a plug and checking the color!
Starting line guy is wearing his wife's shorts.
Like its 2021 all over again
Gotta love the 80’s fashion
That's what we called strutting your stuff!
Nice to see people using them for what they was made for and not just keep it locked away somewhere. Also nice to see regular cars and not a "supertuned' setup. Many was running stock exhaust I bet! A decent tire, headers and some Tuning would have theses cars running much better.
This was in 1987 and it was pure stock
Love them old fords
What we used to consider fast. Lol
Soon the battery powered cars will be on the strip. Cannot wait to hear what they sound like.
@westbender 820 don't have a moped. Your point is quite obvious, although nonsensical.
@@jerrytaylor4078 Electric cars. Wweezzzzzzzzzz and he runs a 10.2 ! I won't never own one! Its BBC for me !
@@jerrytaylor4078 woooosh
Never count out the Pontiacs Birds. Those 400/455 engines have really long legs. They may loose on the hole shot but they have a big tendency to drive around you about mid way.
That 403" Olds powered Bird ran a 305" time... he needs to work on that short stroke engine... get the RPMs up...
Welcome to the pony show. Mustangs kicked some ass.
Nice car's.
Great !v Reminds me of Fremont Drags Grudge Race (Tuesday?) Nights, Had a '69 383 Mag Charger friends wanted me to run.
Run what you brung.
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Guy in dodge wasn’t even trying he was just barely running that car!
That one from fast and furious:
Omg so many ponies🥰
They all look faster standing still
I love it and want to say waaayyyyyyy too much
Say it... SAY IT!!! Lol
Go ahead! Back when racing was real! I am going to look around and see where no/ Electronic and Electronic racing will be going on and travel! Street outlaws have 2/ 3 hundred thousand dollars in their cars!
Heavy Pontiacs made a good showing.
Yes they did...
Yep, last race was a 73 SD-455 Trans am beating the mustang
Awesome dream cars...
oh come on what's with the GTX that wasn't right slow reaction time it looked like
I think he was just babying his collector car and scared to beat on it maybe lol. It certainly had more in it.
@Mason George lol!!!! Yeah, that guy surely gave that 428 hell lol.
LOL, a B-body Mopar with traction bars (or any Mopar for that matter) is a dead give-a-way to the car being a slug...Bob Karakashian and his B-body Mopar on the other hand, demonstrated the way those cars ran when the guy knew what he was doing. Six Pack cars with the Super Track Pack option were mid to low 13 second cars as delivered, IF you knew how to drive them. 440 4 barrel cars were within 1-2 tenths of that. Sadly a lot of them, even the Hemi cars, were ordered with standard gearing, 3.23's, and open carrier differentials. (All Hemi's came with a limited slip differential even if they had the standard 3.23 gearing)
thinkin back in the day, these were fast cars. Now a v6 honda can turn those times:(
ya check the weights though, put any of those motors in the Honda and watch her go
Put a dist and a carb on that V-6 Honda and see it do a 19 sec run
Some of these 50+yr old cars are worth $100,000 now... what are Hondas worth lol
@@nedaCFilms that's true, wish I had one. I also wish I had the money and the time to run one!!
That 3.5 v 6 Honda with 285 hp also has better tires aerodynamics suspension electronic ignition feul injection much more efficient transmission today.
It’s amazing how almost every V6 powered minivan made today can smoke almost every car there!
While that's true, there's no comparison in the engagement of ALL of your senses (yes, including taste to a degree..) or the purposeful attitude. I try to focus about that aspect of the nostalgia - to overcome the depression from your (sadly accurate) observation. HaHa. And... it's really hard to have any swagger while driving a minivan. Similar arguements can be made regarding paddle shifting vs. a floor shift configuration. They say: "...but electronic paddle shifting makes for better/quicker acceleration...blah, blah, blah..." Give me the complete tactile soul-connecting sense of a floor shift ANY day!
I will look at old school muscle cars all day long, but won't give a second glance to that modern crap!!
I can appreciate the modern GT500 and GT350 Mustang and ZL1/1LE Camaro and Hellcat Charger and Demon Challenger. They really are V8 Supercars.
But there's something ultra special about the classic muscle cars
Great cars! But how times have changed-six years ago my PT Cruiser GT 5spd (2.4 turbo)with simple mods did 14.1@102
You had a lot less weight as well
A 14-flat from a 428cJ. Maybe not his best run, maybe it was. Bottom line is the videos of ‘pure stock drags’ appears to feature a lot of breathed-on cars that a .030” over rebuild won’t yield.
In the first race was the guy in the 440 running with his brake on? Not to brag but I owned a 68 Road Runner 383 4 speed 3-91 gears would run low 14' s and a few 13's . In heads up race against a friends 428 Cobra Jet he took 3 out of 5. but in legal race I beat him every time. Nice to see Older cars race, but ET's seem kinda low to me.
Sometimes folks just have bad runs.
I raced 440 cars in the 60's. No way would they keep up with a 428. I owned a 383 and that of course was even slower. 440 six pack was a different story.
I agree , that first race seemed off, very disappointing, must of had a rookie driver
I also had a 1968 road runner 4spd blue black vinyl top 383 brings back good memories.
This is good stuff,makes me feel pretty fast,I race a v.w. Rail,4speed,I'm turning 15:03,2000ccaround1000 pounds
I like how people say new cars are faster. Most of them probably never seen a carburator, or a set of points, or the distributor they sat in. All a drag car builder does now is put a turbo on an engine and get someone smarter than them to program a computer. Back when these were new you had to actually build something.
And it took a lot of balls to haul a 68 Road Runner down from 110 mph with standard drum brakes!
@@johnnystafford1826 downshift that 727 like it was an 833 lmao.. Drums are def sketchy AF, especially if you don't know how to adjust them right..
Ok faithful Buick !
Mustang was on a tire which gave him a huge advantage... looks like they might be in high elevation which would explain the slowish times.. these cars should be faster than that.
Awesome
Thanks!
Anyone remember National Speedway......Long Island NY
Some of these comments are hilarious, talking about how slow these cars were and that modern run-of-the-mill cars are faster. Look at the trap speeds - only thing they need are modern tires for much better e.t.
See,this is what it was back in the day. Not that ridiculous shit put on by the division
“pure stock”
Yep
My stock 67 RT ran twelves.
1/8th?
@@michaelraddish7898 12.99 is twelves in 1/8 th
@@Powerpickle68 ??
doubt it
Not a chance lol
The pre-burnout era?
Hate to say it but street outlaws and no prep racing has ruined drag racing for the weekend guys! I liked back when you paid a entry fee and tan time trials and then eliminations. Now guys run for a paper sack full of money one pass takes 5 k to the winner! Yelp I got a fast car its been in the trailer last couple years! Lol
I agree
They all look so slow now.
All the stories here in the comments really take you back and it's like going down memory lane and yes the new cars are faster heck they should be for 50 years later do you think a 1970 Chevelle SS big block was faster than a 1928 Ford model t LOL of course it is same thing now the new cars have way better traction and traction control which also helps a lot but a lot of the new cars also have superchargers put a supercharger or a turbo on one of these old cars and some decent tires and the times would be pretty close
Don't want to be a 'nazi' about it but the GTX had traction bars on it. A real no-go on b-body Mopars. Pinion snubber is what he should have had on that car. I bet that thing felt really bound up when he hit the gas. The other thing was 15.24?? Something wasn't right with that car. My 68 440 GTX ran over a second quicker than that bone stock but tuned up well, ie ignition curve and avs carb tweaked a little bit. They are heavy cars. 13.86 for that CJ seems about right because those were some real stormers. I could run away from a 390 GT Mustang in my GTX no problem but not a 428 Cobra Jet though I could outrun a CJ on the highway at high speed. I'm a Mopar guy but even back in the day if there was one Ford I would have jumped at the chance to own it would have been a 68 Mustang 428 CJ.
Can you say hole shot
Love the old cars, but the new ones are better all around--except for styling
I noticed all the fords that were automatic got ass handed to them.
That GTX driver might have done better had he tried to do his best in the by run. He was still going to get beat if they're even close to stock because it's a bigger heavier car. After watching him squeal the tires on his launch it's also apparent to me that he doesn't really know how to get the best launch. I have to wonder about some of the cars that didn't win and how their gearing compared to the opponents. All told all those classic supercars aren't near as quick or fast as I remember them being.
Quaker city dragstrip Salem, Ohio?
what are the gear ratios ? 2:50:1 v 3.90:1 ?
Funny how slow they are as "muscle cars". my buddies v6 thunderbird from 95 did quarter in 15 sec. most of these cars are barely in the 14's. what the hell? I guess speed is relative and if everybody is slow it makes a 13 sec car seem fast.
These cars are 100% showroom stock
where can i get a pair slacks like those
What year was this recorded?
1986-87
Man were cars ever slow back then .
50+yr old cars that are 100% factory stock.
@@nedaCFilms Yes they are .
Matter of perspective. These late 60's early 70's cars hella fast compared to cars built 50 years earlier (1920's).
Meyers was pretty good.
Love the vid but I don't think any of these cars were running even close to full potential these times make no sense
Most of these are concours class 100% factory showroom stock, tires and all, so the times aren’t going to be like a warmed over, tweaked and tuned example.
@MustangTown's Muscle Car Time Machine but like even back then they ran that slow? I swear they were all 13 seconds to for the fast ones like cjs boss 429s 440z etc were 12 second cars I didint think they were 14 15 second cars but ok then I guess the older classics were tuned in those 12 second races they said stock
Is this the Super Car Showdown series?
Huh.. I'm trying to figure out why those cars are so slow I know they're running racing gears in the back ..my 70 cougar 351 Cleveland 2v heads with 2.75 gears in the back was running faster than most of those guys.
15.1
96 mph
GTX,, owner is a dunce,the stang has slicks an can drive a 4speed, the other needs to find a tuner and driver.
No, slicks weren't allowed.
But you're right that he's afraid to drive that GTX lol.
Ford's win
Slow mo’s
Shit my 2004 expedition can run a 14 seconds with 26 inch rims on it
GTX driver is a novice!
I think he's scared to beat in his collector car lol
WHAT BS I OWED THE 428 CORBA AND THESE SHIT BOXES NEVER OUT RUN IT
The slopar were so over rated.
All these cars are simply too slow for the sizes of monster engines they come with and way too heavy!