2020 vs 2017 KTM FREERIDE E-XC | ELECTRIC BATTERY RANGE TEST
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Tucker Neary from Electric Cycle Rider tests the battery life on the new 2020 KTM Freeride E-XC electric dirt bike against the older 2017 KTM Freeride E-XC model. KTM claims that the new 2020 model has 50% more range than the original model and we wanted to test both bikes to find out.
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Although these bikes are not designed for a motocross track, the driest option available was IMI Motorsports Complex in Dacono, Colorado. The conditions for this battery range test were less than ideal but it is a real world performance test.
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The Freeride E was introduced to the United States in a limited quantity in 2017 through KTM's Electric Pilot Program. In 2020, KTM has finally released the updated machine to the US market.
The KTM Freeride E-XC is based off the same platform as the popular KTM Freeride 250R but instead of an internal combustion engine, it uses an electric motor and battery to power the bike.
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Battery model 2017 kw2.6
Battery model 2020 kw 3.9
kw2.6+50%=3.9kw
12miles+50%=18miles
elementary Watson 😜
@Camilo Beckham What did you find bro
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I don't know how you kept that wheels-down, dude. Yikes! Thanks for getting out there in this nastiness to test this bike out for everyone sitting here in the warmth of their livinroom lol.
@Brad Landers Haha, thanks Brad! Always appreciate the note!
I wish you could do a head to head with the Alta Redshift
@Oded Mazor I’ll have that comparison coming out soon, stay tuned!
Aren’t they defunct?
@@mountainadventures7346 Yeah, but Alta was never in the business of selling dirt bikes -- they were a technology company, not a motorcycle company. The bike was just a means to show off their battery tech to bigger fish in the industry. It paid off.
motorambler I’m not criticizing them. I just think it’s futile to do a comparison video with a defunct motorcycle company.
the alta was leaps and bounds ahead, but sadly you just cant get one anymore. the ktm doesnt compare unfortunately.
Had my 2018 Zero FX for nearly 2 years now and the 7.2 kwh battery still has the same performance range as day 1 plus I get several hours riding time on a track similar to that......KTM still has a lot of catching up to do.
How is the handling on that bike? I've read that the frame/ride is somewhat rigid. Do you have any videos off road or track?
So 12 miles for the 2017 and 18.8 miles for the 2020. Also the 2020 is faster and more powerful
I've never been on a MX track that had snow piled on the sides! Good job and I'm glad to see the big improvements coming... I would love to have one. 👍👌
That’s colorful Colorado for you!
I grew up and raced in Colorado. The conditions are ever-changing, it just makes you into a better rider.
Those tires that come stock on the freeride wouldn't help. looks slippery! Good test though, very informative video.
@Tony Rides Dirtbikes Right! The tires didn't help, haha. Thanks for the note.
The only downside to electric motorcycles is the limited mileage. In everything else, like me, ebike rules! The third year we bild and ride only electric dirt bikes!
@Silent Enduro For sure. They are really fun to ride! It's cool to see the range increasing and know it will continue to get better.
My dad lives on 5 acres, growing up he was alone, I rode on 1000s of acres. Now people are all around him and my kids ride out there but we limit time for noise. Electric is the future and I look forward to having more electric options down the road.
@Dads Domain You're absolutely right. They're a great option when noise and space are a concern. It opens up more possibilities for riding!
Thank you for the video comparison. It would be great if you can re do it in the Summer since cold weather affect the batteries/range.
Probably less of an issue in a performance vehicle close to max capacity, than a tesla with a PTC heater struggling to provide driver comfort.
Great video! Looking forward to the review!
@Alex von Mentzer Thanks Alex!
What happens when you put the 2020 battery in the 2017? Similarly are you aware of aftermarket companies in the US rebuilding and/or improving performance using modern cells?
Reverse compatible.
No aftermarket, but I bet there will be. KTM will continue to use this motor platform in future e-mobility models. That's always been the plan. That market is a gazillion times bigger than dirbikes... so they're coming.
I cant believe you continued to ride in this 🤣. I did this once at IMI and never again. Took me over 2 hours to clean my bike and the track is so slick when its wet like that.
Awesome review though and thanks for putting this together. I may hit up Elite and get one of these. My current e-dirt bike is a Sur-Ron which has been great but I'd love a full size electric. Thanks and great review!
I would be interested in a range test riding it like a trail toy like it is designed for. Looks like fun but our weekend rides typically are about 80 km so if these could make it the 50 or so miles that is equal to at trail pace it would be perfect.
@Alex MacLean For sure. I'm still on my gas bikes for bigger weekend rides but it's perfect for riding in controlled environments and areas where noise is a concern.
I was looking forward for such video. I own the first model. Muddy track definitely kept range lower. I get 26km on 2017, street.
@Roadified Right on! Yea, a lot of energy lost in the muddy conditions. Your street distance is much better for sure. Thanks for the note.
@Elhesh Yep. You can squeeze a little bit more if you ride gentle.
My local shop has the 2020. I can get it plated easily as you can street legal dirt bikes where I live. Even with the limited range it still seems like a sweet bike. I commute to work (12 miles round trip through quiet neighborhoods in the hills) the silence would be amazing as people didn’t like me when I had my loud wr450sm) Wonder how well it would do with using it in the middle setting and just cruising with a light wrist on trails.
Nice work and vid Tucker. Picking up my '20 E tmrw. Let's go ride. ; )
@Clay DellaCava Thanks Clay! Pumped to hear you're getting the 20. Hit me up so we can go out for a ride.
Clay DellaCava next weekend for me 🙏🏼
Would have been nice to see both on the same scale to make sure it didn't gain range by adding weight
Different cells in the battery, same size.
I'd like to try one out. I don't like how they sound though. Big bore 2 and 4 strokes sound amazing. I have a 2017 ktm450sxf that sounds amazing. Sadly I have to sell it because of conservationist. The only reason why I would buy one of these is because they are quiet. The conservationist wouldn't even know I was out in the woods riding.
Interestingly, the tire on the 2017 e-xc looks more trialsy than the Maxxis TrialMaxx that KTM helped custom design for the 2 stroke Freeride. I can’t find much info on what tire the e-xc’s use
Stock tire on KTM Freeride E-XC:
1st. Gen: Front: Maxxis Trialmax M7319 2,75-21
Rear: Maxxis Maxx Enduro 120/90-18
2nd. Gen (NG) Front: Maxxis Trialmaxx M7319 2,75-21
Rear: Maxxis Trialmaxx M7320 4.00 R 18
W. S. Thanks. I read that KTM worked with Maxxis to develop these tires specifically for the Freeride series of bikes. Glad to see they’re still using these great tires. Not great for fast mx style riding. But they’re superb for crawling.
@W. S. Thanks for putting all of the tire info up here!
Can you let us know what the temperature was outside during the test? Given li-ion batteries' sensitivity to cold, I'm curious. Both bikes were tested in the same conditions, so it's perfectly fair. I'm just curious if the range for the style of riding is relevant.
@Brad Landers Yes, good point and something I should have mentioned in the video. It was 50 degrees out when I was riding. I did charge the batteries and transport at room temperature, so I don't think there was much life loss due to the cold. Thanks for pointing that out!
Yes my 48v 500w/h electric bicycle struggles to get uphill or in headwind with cold batteries when it is +15c or colder, +20c and it goes up infinite long hills or against headwind forever. It is ok if battery is warm when you start but if you take 5 min break and it is colder then +15c you loose a LOT of power on the battery as it gets cold (when you ride it keeps the temperature it got but cools down and do not get warm again when stopping).
I can't wait for the ranges to double then I would consider. I wouldn't want to get stuck in the woods at this point.
@Motoman744 For sure. It's not replacing my gas bikes for big rides but it is a fun option when you're riding close-to-home or in an area where noise is a concern.
@@ElectricCycleRider I totally get that. 100% It is just a big investment for such little run time. These bikes ain't cheap for sure.
Every time I watch one of these vids. All I can think of is the 1995 Sci-fi movie Screamers.
Did you take into account that the 2017 has a battery that is 3 plus years old? Unless you bought a new battery for that model for this test, that battery def has some range loss.
@WFMguy Yea, it's a key point for sure. I know the battery has less than 200 miles on it and was stored in a climate controlled room in California. I mentioned that in my original test with the 2017 here: ua-cam.com/video/WHiNB6-p2iM/v-deo.html
The problem is you can't buy the 2017 battery new anymore. So have to test what I can work with. Thanks for the note.
Three years old and you can't buy a new battery? That's doesn't speak well to the long term support from KTM. If I'm putting my money down, I want support for a long time! Just like an ICE bike. Correct me if I'm missing some critical info here.
@@patrickscranton6804 you can always have one made I suppose. But yeah, this kind of sucks. Bad business on KTM's part.
@WFMguy @Patrick Scranton I should have explained that more clearly. You cannot buy a new 2017 battery anymore. KTM has since updated the battery to have 50% more capacity. You can buy the new updated battery from KTM and it will work in the older model.
You were asking about a new 2017 battery and they do not sell new "old" batteries. Hope that clears up what I meant.
@@ElectricCycleRider thanks for the clarification. This makes better sense. I was scratching my head with a confused facial expression earlier!
Awesome video!! Thank you for it!!
Peak power has increased about 2kw from the 2017 model to the 2020 model. But I'm still suprised how little it has improved during 3 years.
Talking about the actual topic of the video: range. Electric vehicle range is super easy to estimate. Forexample if you have a 4kwh battery and you ride on average 8kw power -> you will have an empty battery in about 30 minutes. But taken in to consideration the controller defficiencies and possible heat loss it will most likely be little less.
That's if you're WOT all the time on a consistent terrain. Throw hill climbs and descents into it, as well as loose surfaces, and that range can be wildly off the theoretical.
These bikes have regenerative braking which recovers some charge as well.
@@P4ddyC4ke That gives like about 5-7% increase of range so it's barely noticeble
@@P4ddyC4ke no
I actually prefer the condition that it was tested in, I'll consider more real life review (conditions that I would ride in). Who ever rides only in dry condition shouldn't need a dirtbike. Of course it would help if they had good tires.
So how's the cleaning go for an E-ride?... would be interesting comparison on cleaning a gas vs E ride after a muddy day. Thanks for sharing the vid, appreciate the side-by-side comparison!
@8HdcpHack It's a pretty normal cleaning process, it just warns you not to pressure wash the battery pack. I usually clean it up some and then remove the battery pack. Thanks for the note.
Ik the feeling of the wet an cold season it sucks but the mudd makes you a better rider
@Built Minis True!
How is it in the cold? My 48v 500w/h electric bicycle struggle to get uphill if it is less then 15+c degrees outside unless the battery was warm when you started riding. And if it is colder then +15c and you take a 5min break the battery is cold and will struggle to get uphill... If it is 20+c the bikes goes uphill long stretches' or in headwind forever no problem at all without loosing power.
Track looked super tacky in places then super slippery in others,not great when trying to learn a new machine so great job.All things considered you completed a great quick interesting side by side vid bud.Couple this and a cup of tea = Perfect!!!!!
@Fpvlee Thanks man! Yea, it was slippery pretty much everywhere. The dirt at this track has traction like ice when it's wet. Haha. Hope you've been out riding!
Hey, will a 2015 freeride E with a 2020 battery have the same power output and similar range as the 2. generation?
@Tim Sebastian Adolfson The original Freeride has a peak power output of 16Kw and the 2nd generation has a peak power output of 18Kw so the new one does have a bit extra snap. Hope this helps!
@@ElectricCycleRider but isnt that beacause of the battery peak power?
@@timsebastianadolfson9850 Ive been asking the same exact question but I dont seem to be getting a good answer.. perhaps the 2020 motor is a bit improved. He should have done also the ride test by swapping the batts. At least putting the 2020 batt to the 2017 and see how it goes... I have a 2015 with harneded shock springs and been thinking of getting the 2021 batt.
much appreaciated! Im still waiting for Alta vs KTM FreeRide (2020 edition) hands-on comparison... Yes, please!
@Aleksandras For sure! I’ve got that video coming up soon. Thanks for the note!
Do you think bike has enough power to clear those jumps if track was dry?
@GRAMPS If it the track was dry, I think I'd have enough power to clear MOST of the jumps. It's more the suspension + my weight that would have me cringing. It's just not really developed for the MX track. I just took it on some offroad trails and it really shines out there! Thanks for the comment.
@@ElectricCycleRider I hope KTM makes a full on MX version. Thanks for the videos.
Just wondering any difference from 2020-2023
Do you know if the 2018> models have more hp than the 2014-17 models?
nice vid man. i love my 2017 Freeride e, but the new is mutch better!
@Gerhard Holzknecht Enduro und Quad Thanks man!
Just a question, how old was the 2017 battery?
No doubt if it has done a heap of charge cycles it will have lost efficiency.
Being a lithium pack over the course of two or three years the number of discharge / charge cycles most likely had zero effect in this test, those packs are suppose to be good for the average rider use lasting in excess of 5 years.
@@suzuki06g they still start dropping off the more you charge them.
All good, neither of them could do a real world ride where we typically go and not available in Australia.
Was just interested in an apples vs apples outcome.
@@Danger_mouse Totally true that they both lack enough Ah to do a full race day. But I can say that where I work we do test batteries and currently we have a Lithium 10 kWh pack with 600 full discharge and charge cycles that's showing no signs of dropping off. FYI, we are using a NH Research battery test stand. So in this case the older bike & battery really is performing about like it did when it was brand new.
still dont know if it can do 30 miles of single track. if it can, i would buy one tomorrow.
Elite Motorsports currently has no Freerides in stock :(
this video looks cold❄️
I would have loved to see how much petrol / gas you used for say a 350exc-f for the same duration and distance as the 2020. For us that want to convert.
@Ryan Hawker Good point. That's a lot to get done in one day but I'll be doing some more head-to-head comparisons with petrol/gas bikes so you can see the difference.
The 2017's battery is 3 years old
Absolutely and also depends on how much battery use it had, such as recharging etc. etc.
Should be hardly noticeable with today's battery technology. These aren't lead acid
@@FTATF EV batteries decay badly
Maybe motorcycle batteries but EV batteries do not. Maybe they are trying to get too much put of them or something. Im not familiar with e bike batteries but I can tell you that ev batteries in general do not decay badly and if they do you are buying an inferior product.
@@FTATF Nissan Leaf range is known to be only 75% of new range within 40,000km. They they replaced under warranty and my friend uses old Leaf batteries for e-bike conversions because he can get them cheap.
I got in a Prius plugin hybrid taxi 6 months ago. The driver told me the electric-only range had dropped a lot but to be fair it had 300,000km.
They sell them in USA now?!
Would these be a good “trail” bike?
Cool the video. 3:41 I could have broken the key... it should be somewhere else!
@Edinho Fair point! Glad it didn't.
Are you going to make it chief lol
Both as they come ? Tires bars brakes gearing suspension etc
@T K Yes, both are stock.
How come nobody ever wants to talk about the price? I don’t get that shit! Is there a Chance that anyone knows the price or is even concerned whatsoever about the cost? Thanks
@Eddie Cook Currently $10,500
Still cheaper than the coolest specialized e mtn bike.
That sound is about as appealing to me as nails on a chalkboard.
or like the plastic 4 wheeler we had as kids lol
How much transfert km? In low energy mode
My Ktm 2015 reaches 15,5mls in summer and 10 in Winter. Like on the first Day.
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Anyone know how long a recharge takes on 2020? Thanks
battery capacity describe in kWh not kw :-)
The weight increased 10kg right ? So double the sur...
I would like to know the moutainous single track technical riding range. I would love to be able to leave my house and quitely hit all of my local (legal) trails and never have to do a gas can run again!
@Taylor Abrahamson I'll be testing that for sure. We've still got a bit of snow covering my mountain trails but will get out there soon. Riding from the house is the dream! Where do you ride?
Would be interesting which distance the 2020 will cover in a few years
@flyingdoctor99 I'll be sure to let you know when we get there.
Much preferred this to the Suron vid. Good to see that KTM are advancing and making it a better experience for the rider. Once we get a better battery solution the result will be astounding.
it doesn't worth it to buy these bikes for only 32 or 50 minutes right? it's hella expensive and battery dies fast, a real dirt bike would take hours with a few L of fuel so
Ye
What’s the torque like compared to a typical 250 two stroke?
Very similiar. But max power is similiar to an 85 2smoke
where is your complexe !!!!! i know pueblo park
I’ll buy one when they have a supermoto version that will go 100 miles.
Heh, I have a Husqvarna SM510R and it only goes about 80 miles on a tank of gas.
UA-cam Account My 701SM will go 120 miles and it takes me about 2 minutes to stop and fill it full of gas. I do want electric. But, they have to up the range, a lot.
@@Shawn-in-da-Canyon Yeah the 510 is not a practical vehicle. So fun though.
My commute is short so recharging each night at home isn't out of the question, but I don't know if I could really be turned on by the feel and sound of an electric bike. It sounds like an RC car.
Would it possible to put 17" slicks on this thing? Maybe even a full sumo conversion
I'd like to see this compared to the Alta Redshift please. Even though they are not in business anymore :(
How much are they
this test is only valid with a new battery in both bikes. Unless you didn't use the 2017 much... Any modern battery loses capacity on every charge cycle. This is the main problem with electric vehicles. Its getting better, but its still a problem. Luckily e-bike batteries are not $10k so its not that big of issue..
A new batteri is 3k in my country. So not exactly cheap either.
Can’t wait to pick mine up
@GRAMPS Did you pick yours up yet?
Electric Cycle Rider not yet sadly. Still waiting for the shipment to be delivered to the dealership!
This is great! I have the -17 and was wondering if an upgrade is worth considering. Love the bike by the way. Thank you.
@Joakim Bengtsson Thanks for the note! Hope it helps you make a decision.
What did you decide then? (I have 2015)
What are you supposed to with that kind of range and time? Electics have a long way to go before it's reasonable to own one.
@Gamet36 I can ride neighborhood tracks and trails that we wouldn't be able to ride on our gas bikes. It's awesome for that because you don't annoy the neighbors and can re-charge in between rides.
That sounds terrible my sister was actually considering getting into dirtbikes if there was a quiet option but that thing sounds ear splitting as construction equipment.
Steve the owner at elite is awesome!! I just bought one from them!! Worked with Steve and can’t wait to get it to TN!!
@Tum Jones Awesome to hear man!! Yes, Steve is a great guy and they are a top-notch shop. Let me know how you like the bike when you get it! Always great to read these notes 👍
Electric Cycle Rider nice brother I will my buddy jim picked it up from Steve last week... I am excited to get it to TN still working on U-ship so excited
halo sir can i ktm electric cycle purchase in India
The motto of the story is, unless you have disposable income to burn on new stuff: don't buy an electric until the $/performance curve starts to level out.
@Chris Waltman Fair. Or if you want to ride local neighborhood tracks and trails from your house without getting the cops called/pissing off your neighbors.
Get a used one if you can
The other one is a 2017 model so its battery is much older.
Oughta do one of these against a surron
@fuzzyfriendlydoggy Good call, I'll probably put that together. Thanks!
Stop putting cut scenes right before a jump! :rolleyes
Could a someone with only mountain biking experience ride this or do you need to be experienced with dirtbikes?
For trail and motocross
@@illuforce i'm a mountain biker, tried this e-xc for 1 day. No worries, it's really not difficult because you have all the knowledge about balancing on 2 wheels from mtbiking ;) In just 1 day you can ride it quite aggressively without putting you in danger !
OK thanks. The 125 manual dirtbikes seemed to daunting so this will be a great option
@LEC illuforce Yes, it's a very easy motorcycle to ride. It has 3 power modes that affect the power output. In power mode 1, the bike is very tame and manageable. It feels light when you're riding, doesn't require any shifting, brakes are on the handlebars. Hope you get to try one out!
@ZeeRoll You're absolutely right!
ok got it north of denver
Great weather
@Larry Byrd Haha, I know... got a little cold when those puddles soaked through my gear.
I was gonna talk shit till u said what tires ur running so hard in mudd
Why can’t KTM give us proper electric bike?
@Gone.Coastal KTM would not jeopardize their current entire off-road lineup by offering a competitive electric bike. If it was truly competitive with their ICE bikes, it would cannibalize their current lineup.
They are beginning to introduce riders to electric bikes at a young age with the KTM SX-E 5. This allows them to bring riders up on electric and build the technology with the next generation of riders.
As for now, the Freeride is an awesome bike for those of us embracing the electric technology. Could it be better? Of course. But it's an incredibly good machine considering the point in time we are at with this new electric technology and it will continue to improve. Thanks for watching. 👍
Electric Cycle Rider I see Gas Gas has an adult moto trials electric bike with 6spd transmission. That is cool.
Wow cant believe this is the fuckin future. I cant stand the noise of them things .
We need battery which can provide enough power to reach at least 50miles range otherwise this bike is a expensive Toy
At racing speed?
@@scaniajon No at pedestrian speed :)
At 50 Miles range its still just an expensive toy. If not for fun why would you want one?
7:25 Scotty Kilmer intro music
rev up your engines
Sounds like, how many of you remember slot cars. It sounds like a slot car.
That seems logical, since they both run on electric motors.
Wow the sound of that bike is annoying
7:20 and 11:15. THATS the correct NOISE
Bummer to ruin a brand new bike in the mud like that....good battery sapping elements though.
What is the price on one of these 2020 ones nice video by the way
@Billy Hanners Thanks! The current MSRP is $10,499.
Great god...couldnt stand the noise long enough to even watch the vid. Interesting stuff, but wow.
@Brad Ratliff Haha, I think the microphone emphasizes the high pitch noise a bit. I kind of like it in person.
Bring on an RC-E / Duke-E already 😀👍🏽
I'm really liking what they are achieving
@RSA Jay 👍
E-SM avail in Europe 😋
Would a electric bike be more beneficial for prepping than a gas bike ?
No
Batteries degrade over time, unless they both had brand new batteries this is a bogus and skewed test
@lucas morgan Sorry it's not possible to be 2017 and 2020 at the same time!
There is no Ktm vs zero e bike videos
@justin fisher For sure. I'll be doing some videos with the Zero FX in the future.
Electric Cycle Rider awsome I would like to see a side by side comparison
Thank you so much for doing these reviews. The bikes are still not at the level yet to be worth it, unless the person is a millionaire.
@Психолог Николай Лу Thanks! I appreciate the support!
That is absolutely rubbish!!! For a bike that is more expensive than an all out enduro bike. And far lesser of a bike than the exc’s.
How can these even make sense, to anyone at all?
Easily. You can ride them many places where you couldn’t ride a gas bike.
OMG
I just can find the fun with the high frequency noise of the electric engine, sorry I really don’t like, your video is nice
@Rodolfo Morales No worries man. The camera does pick up the high pitch noise and does not sound so great over the computer. It's pretty enjoyable in person. Thanks for the comment.
I can most definitely find the fun. It’s not annoying at all irl. Especially considering I couldn’t ride a gas bike where I can ride this.
Was interested in EV but that sound is horrible , sounds like riding piglet in an un natural way.
We used to put baseball cards on our bicycle forks with a clothes pin as kids to make them sound like a motorcycle as the the spokes hit maybe it should come with a pack and a pin ?
Put some ear plugs on and you wont care
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