First Reverend Mother: "You are going to see the BURNING truth" Decades later, Valya Harkonen sees a sister spontaneously combusting in front of her: "I see Mother. I see."
This series, it's striking a balance between the original Frank books, the Brian books, and the Villeneuve films. A very difficult task and so far they're kind of pulling it off. As usual we have weirdo book purists nitpicking details but that's expected for any book series adapted into the screen
Ironic, since most of the books this is based on had almost no Frank Herbert influence. General consensus is that they diverged massively from his original ideas.
@@brilobox2 When I say "weird purists," I'm referring to people like you. Are you seriously suggesting that the concepts, settings, characters, and ideas from Frank Herbert's original books have no influence on Brian Herbert's works at all? How does that even make sense? Are Brian Herbert's books supposed to be a completely separate universe that just coincidentally includes Dune, the Atreides, the Harkonnens, and so on?
@@Tochi68 I think what anybody not in love with Brian Herbert's books are saying is that they probably aren't in love with how Brian added Terminator Judgement Day to Dune lore, across 5 books, while insisting that that was what his dad wanted to do all along, who only had 1 book left to go. I read all of Dune only last year, I have no purist love for it, but Brian's take is generally more Marvel and Spielberg than Herbert's, and at some point it's really easy to see that he doesn't understand some things.
It was all because Abulurd Harkonnen wanted to avoid killing all the humans during the battle of corrin cause the evermind Omnius decided to use the human slaves as a shield around the planet. Abulurd didn’t want to kill them, and Vorian was willing to sacrifice them.
@@tgiacin435 the atredies could always make the hard choices. vorian sacrificing the slaves of omnius, pauls jihad, & finally leto. all 3 to save humanity.
Perhaps irrational, perhaps rational, shows/movies can't say "Jihad" in Western media post-9/11 anymore, except with Middle Eastern villains between 2000-2011; at least, not used elsewhere in Western media anymore to my knowledge.
This is a surprisingly good balance between what the Original Series Only fans want, and what the fans of the prequel books were hoping for. I’m shocked that they pulled this off (so far).
Agreed. It's the first and only adaptation of anything Dune related that directly referenced the God Emperor. Huge kudos for the show for doing that in the first episode.
its also the showrunners probably know the gripes of the other books that frank son wrote on that fans question so here they clarify/clean up those parts from the books to make bit more sense.
The young sowrdmaster that Nez is in love with is actually Keiran Atreides. You hear the Fremen bartender call him by his last name Atreides. Its crazy how far back all these Great Houses are entertwined with eachother
@@Niven110 her clothing is definetly Fremen and as a bartender she obviously isnt a noble with wealth and connections to abuse the Rare and Expensive spice like the Nobles do. But she got the Eyes of Ibad (the blue eyes when you exposed to too much spice) which indicates she is a native to Arakis.
@@frankensteinmurillo446 she maybe a city dweller from arakeen but those are not Fremen. Imperial citizens that inhabit the cities created by the imperium can also develop the eyes of ibad due to exposure as well as spice smugglers. I don’t believe there is any example is any example in the book of a real fremen abandoning their people to live in the imperium that is still persecuting them
Watch Vikings, or at least the first 4 seasons of Vikings. That's Travis Fimmels most iconic role as Ragnar lothbrok. Amazing character and actor. He was also in another great sci fi series called Raised by Wolves on Max but it unfortunately got canceled after the 2nd season.
that last scene was a Sharing, when a reverend mother in her deathbed shares the "Other Memory" (all the memories from her ancestors that she gained when she took the spice essence and went through the spice agony becoming a reverend mother) with another reverend mother, so this means that Kasha and her prescience are inside Valya's mind, everything she knew, Valya knows.
@@PedroRodrigues-fh1ku I thought that ability was developed later by the sisterhood and required poison transmutation (water of life or other substances)?
@@Niven110 oh, you are right, I keep forgetting they still don't have that... so maybe she only shared her memories? maybe that is what prompts them to start looking into other memories and the spice could be a catalyst to achieve more...
@@PedroRodrigues-fh1ku I mean you could be right or what happened in the scene was a more basic version of the sharing. The show is going to introduce original content to the establishment book lore so they might present things very differently from the prequels
@@Niven110 I only read the six books yet, just finished Chapterhouse. Yeah they never explained when and how the bene Gesserit started using spice to achieve stuff like Sharing or Other memory(sharing for exemplo just appears out of nowhere without any explanation and feels the most "magical" stuff in the books, and it's right after Leto II introduces the concept of magical universe), even tho some characters start to achieve similar skills as the bene gesserit without the spice agonym just through the selective breeding and mentat training.
I think youre missing one important thing about Kasha and that is she situated herself as the Mom/Wife without actually being so....the sisters use EVERY method to control the men at their posts, including satisfying ALL their needs and making themselves indispensable in EVERY way. So Kasha is emotional BECAUSE shes taken over the role the Mom/Wife HAD and its made her attached to them and the mom/wife character very bitter.
@@MrFredstt Lol they don't say but the sisters were trained lovers....they spent their whole lives learning how to control people without the subjects understanding they were being controlled...They gave people thoughts with them thinking it was their idea...so sex was an easy and willing method of control and they were extremely discreet...The thing is Kasha could have been emotionally attached to the emperor and his daughter as the result of replacing her in their lives and it explains why the mom was bitter.
Such a shame what happened to the warcraft movie. It was good and could have been great if they hadn't cut it down so much. Travis and Ben Foster were both fantastic in it.
The sisters began as helpers, but foresaw a Tyrant who would endanger them. In response they developed ways to combat the Tyrant. So when Paul rolls around (in large part due to their actions), they are already pre positioned to be a threat to him that he now has to deal with. It could have gone an entirely different way, and had them foresee him Uniting everyone with them at his side, and they would have worked towards that... But there's a sense that Paul's... Future? is so necessary that it is pushing events.
@@MrFredstt Dune is kind of about cyclical things, everything Rhymes if you are George Lucas who "was inspired" by it. Bene's want a Kwisatz who would be the culmination of their breeding program, and have access to Powers they didn't, so they could survive the "Threat" from the Future... which is Paul, and his descendants, who are the culmination of their breeding program and have access to Powers they didn't.
IKR?! 🤣 I was waiting for Mark Strong's character to ask him "Have you ever heard of a man called Ragnar Lothbrok? You remind me of him from my history studies about the Sagas from ancient Scandinavia."
Young Kasha is portrayed by Yerin Ha who also appears in Halo. And older Kasha is portrayed by Jihae. This show has definitely done a great job casting the younger version and older versions of all the characters.
Its important to understand that after the war against A.I. , humanity lost all ability to use tech. A.I. nearly killed all humans. So several schools using biology, not computers, rose. The bene jesserit, mentats, sword masters of ginaz, the spacing guild, to name but a few.
@@Tommy1977777 the imperium still uses advanced tech, it just can’t simulate human intelligence in any way . The principals of the Butlerian Jihad and the OC bible left what exactly counts as forbidden technology vague in practice if not intent. The specific commandment “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”, has been interpreted by both in book characters and fans differently. Some would argue that even simple calculators would count as a thinking machine while others would argue only advanced programming and algorithms would fall under the prohibitions. Certain groups, such as the Ixians, push the boundaries of this prohibition. The Ixians are known for creating machines that tread the line of legality, often disguising their computational capabilities. The vast majority of Noble houses used their tech and it was an open secret that their tech skirted the boundaries of the anti Ai prohibitions
Harkonenns don't really value their women very much. Valya maybe holding a grudge against her family, thus the refusal. Also, I think that it was the Richese who attacked the spice harvester. I just think it's awful convenient that they get a prince on the throne, a wing in the palace and an Emperor and future Empress in their pocket after that attack. I expect Hart to accuse the Richese of that and the Emperor to commandeer their fleet and fighters.
@Niven110 Neither. I'm not really concerned with prequel point of view on anything, honestly. But, in the original novels, Harkonenns do not care about their women.
Travis Fimmel played almost the same exact character on the Max show Raised by Wolves. A sci-fi setting where he becomes a religious zealot who gained powers.
Travis was excellent in Raised by Wolves. A criminally slept on show that is super weird. But worth the watch. I don't know if Dune: Prophercy will ever be as interesting as Raised by Wolves. But it feels like it has a chance to make a mark.
The story does strangely enough take place (following current irl pew projections) in a post-Islamic future where the religions of humanity are so mangled and evolved that they're hardly the same, yet many similarities remain, especially in the new merged religion/splinter sect born through the amalgamation of all remaining faiths with future Islam in the Orange Catholic Bible [ Orange.. 'no reason, Catholic as in Universal and Bible as in Library, it isn't Christian] the new scripture is more akin to the Sikh Gur Granth Sahib, a mix of other world religions in one book. Which is why there are so many Islamic styled things from the veils and the pomegranate and how all the beni gesserit were in namaaz positions ( on their knees with hands up surrounding the water fountain as if praying for the dead leader, making "dua" for her ) This is why the line about "gods" plural, kind'a threw me off, this made me wonder if this was a change made by the showrunners, similar to how the [spoilers] judge of the change in the Dune movie part 1 , spoke about worshipping the worms, both these polytheistic threads made me wonder if these were added, since they deviate from the religion in the Books which is supposed to be more in line with a "what if" futuristic version of Islam, if we let it be subjected to perennialism and evolution over eons, including a space age, galactic colonization and Ai takeover followed by a terminator style war with the machines... I suppose polytheism could creep in, after humanity is subjected to so much abuse, cultural destruction and decay, but it still feels weird when you consider how they preserve so much of the lingo and prayer customs and fragments of eschatology which are mentioned in the books, making me think that these are all attempts to pull the series away from the Islamic aesthetic as to not accidentally ruffle feathers and create undue drama. Them being overly cautious to a fault, which I find to be a shame.
For those of you who are confused by the fact that actor Travis Fimmel appears to be playing the exact same role that he did in HBO's "Raised by Wolves" short-lived SF series, here's my theory. In "Raised by Wolves", Travis played Marcus/Caleb, a soldier with Tourette-like facial tics, a penchant for levitating and mystical powers courtesy of giant flying lizards which burrow through the planet Kepler 22B. In "Dune Prophecy", Travis plays Desmond Hart, a soldier with Tourette-like facial tics, a penchant for levitating and mystical powers courtesy of giant sandworms which burrow through the planet Arrakis. It is painfully obvious that Marcus/Caleb and Desmond Hart changed places when falling into a hole that connected Kepler 22B and Arrakis and then basically switched identities, which is in keeping with the sleazy nature of the character. Even the name of Dune Prophecy's second episode is..."Two Wolves."
I know that at least 2/3s of the comments are saying the same- but you really should watch Vikings. Travis Fimmel's Ragnar Lothbrok is one of my favorite characters in the history of television!
My one big hope for this series is that it will give Emily Watson some long-needed exposure, but she hasn't been really mentioned in any of the discussion, which makes me sad.
there is a chance she may not have that many episode roles because supposedly the show each season will jump years. so this and maybe s2 is close together but s3 may see a huge jump. by end of the show depending on length it will end close to when the events of dune begin like say the day paul is born.
44:10 she's most likely not from Arrakis, remember ANYONE who consumes enough spice eventually gets the blue eyes. Given that this is a drug heavy club/bar, she's prolly just had a lot of it over the years.
I think understanding the entire saga and the Butlarian Jihad, the survivor of the attack on Arakis uses very specific words, ‘do you believe in something beyond man and machines.’ And that is the key to the burning and hatred of the Bene Gesserit.
I think that in denying house harkonen a sister, she was toeing the line as the harkonen family wasnt treated favoribly. That's why in the intro she was talking about how she was gonna change things for her house.
The show is made for the book readers, and they did an excellent job. For example the mystery guy could be a Gola, which they cover heavily in the books after the first one. In the club they are getting high on spice. What she saw at the end... its a reference to her either seeing Maudib, the future birth the bene geserit are trying to reach, or its the God Emperor looking back in time. Truly remarkable stuff.
the fact that Valyas breeding plans took 10 000 years to almost work only for Valyas own descendent Jessica to betray her orders for love and have a son, then irony that the planes were ruined or at least hinder because an Atreides and Harkonnen fell in love
Guys watch vikings at least as long as its with ragnar. It seems to be pretty much the same roll. Also i think he is bene tleilax or old way fremen. The way they were killed at the end could be poison. He stabbed machine with dagger and gave it back. Or it could be some kind of ix tech, tech is pretty heavy themed so far, so close to buthlerian jihad.
A bit thick on the exposition at the start, but I guess it is a different arena than the Dune movies, so more info is needed to be understood by the audience. Anyway... Dune was an oceanic world turned into a desert world, then back into the tropics, then back to desert again. Ring around the rosies, pocketful of posies....
the lying course is interesting because its true. we as a species rely on trust to live and be part of a group/society even as far back as tribal years. attempt to lie for your own self gain or cause harm to another is a sign to that group/society you are a nuisance/threat to them. as such the common response is at minimal shame/shun them depending on the lie to something more severe depending on the circumstances which rarely could involve life. this is why either your brain holds you back to not to lie for your own surviival and keep you safe OR unlocks that barrier to survive by lying yourself out of the situation even if aware the dangers that may fall upon you down the road.
It’s so funny how much information we have given in this one episode compared to the two movies where we needed to collect information like a hunters because nobody was giving us shit 😂
You have no idea how many easter eggs this series has for me, who has been a Dune reader since I was 20 years old. By the way, Jaby, I've been watching your videos for 10 years.
You don't need to aproach it the way Villeneuve approached it, the movies doesn't really have the same vibe and "visuals" of the books. Villeneuve chose minimalism and brutalist structures as the main visual style for the movies which makes it look too sterilized, even tho I love the Brutalism I think it took away the fantasy aspect of the books which are more prominent than the sci-fi. This tv show is based on books, not Villeneuve's movies, they don't need to look the same. The main reason you feel a disconnection in style is because we are actually seeing how the world of Dune looks like outside of the desert planet, most of the weirder music in the movies are to represent current Harkonnen that are different after thousands of years, and they also use more "world music" to represent the Fremen, we don't see that in the tv show because the setting is different, the time frame is different. In the books every couple volume the setting changes, thousands of years passes and all societies changes drastically, even the names of the worlds changes, the Fremen changes, the sisterhood, the Harkonen, the imperium, and even how the story is told and somewhat the style of the writing (it's a big change from children of dune to next 3 volumes)
The series looks exactly as an epic space opera should! Villeneuve did a huge disservice to the story and setting with his minimalist visual and emotional approach. The movie looks too contemporary and frankly too cheap for a galaxy-spanning empire.
@@vanyadolly my grudge with the movie was mostly the visuals, although I love brutalist architecture and mininimalism, it was overdone. It lacks grit, texture, noise... the interior scenes doesn't look like places people live in. Arrakeen is barely there as a populated city. The aesthethics lack some fantasy elements that are so present in the books but the movie feels like it's set in the blade runner universe. The lack of variation in colour also bothers me, makes the movie too bleak... I think the techinicolour look of that previous syfy series fits so much better with the first book. The soudtrack stealls most of the scenes, I liked the sketchbook dune soundratck a lot better, it was composed as an exploration for the final soundtrack but it has more character to it (but I understand why it wasn't in the movie because of how the score has to fit with the scenes) anyways
@@PedroRodrigues-fh1ku I agree completely. His desaturated and dour visual style arguably worked for contemporary movies like Arrival, but it robbed Dune of so much of its atmosphere and believability. I'll argue Blade Runner looks better because he had to maintain some consistency with the neon and gold art deco style of the original.
It was an okay opening i do wish the music and visuals were more attention catching. After arcane and penguin being 10/10. I need a little more drom the show.
Cool reaction! Love the long discussion at the end. Travis Fimmel is a supernatural actor! Check out "Raised by Wolves". I agree that Mark Strong seems to have been given too much direction to act dumb and useless -- it SEEMS obvious that he's just there to be killed off, but hopefully he smartens up and is with us for a long time. I feel like the show seems in danger of de-mystifying too much and becoming a generic story. These characters should be using spice, having secret visions, and more stuff hinted at but not shown. Solving the mythology never works because the writing is never as good as the individual's imagination. I noted that the scale of the cast and sets are obviously limited; just hire more extras as guards for the emperor of the known universe, please. lol
I cant help but compare how well the scenes were done with background actors and the places versus how poorly The Wheel of time series on Amazon portrayed everything. Even the writing seemed superior and conveyed a larger storyline that went well versus the original plots. Compared to The Wheel of Time I sensed a lot of similarities which hopefully the writers of the Amazon series will copy in future seasons.
also good to see travis flimmel back but same time worried of his performance. ppl gonna say "its good, his performance reminds me of-" and thats where the issue is. if you dont know his rep came from being the lead role in Vikings show as ragnar lothbrok. the way he acts here is same as that. he also acted the same as the lead role in the warcraft movie. so branding wise its good/bad here. the good is ppl will recognize is acting personality very easily but he cant expand from that either the director/showrunner tells him to be that or worst he doesnt know how to. it goes hack to the chris pratt acting discussion on since his voice acting days for cartoons to live shows before movie rep his acting been near the same.
end of the day i still like him since i been fan of him since vikings and warcraft. there is moments he can vastly change from the common role personality seen here but he is limited to brand expectations. hoping one day he gets a movie lead role and heavily shine in that.
She sees the burning truth. Kasha is burning inside out (which is why im like what do u mean say something shes burning alive dude). Kasha knows the truth but was dismissed.
Dude, why didn't you react to The Penguin?? Probably the best show of the year. Awesome performances by all the actors involved, solid gripping storyline too.
From what I remember brian's books the word fremen did not came to be during the butlerian jihag has they were still names as zennsunni wanders that finally seetled on arrakis. Also in the war before the "people rose up" the was already a coalition of free worlds fighting the thinking machines. Vorian Atreides was born from the Cymek Agamemnon, prt ancient leaders who had their brains removed and put in jar to control machinery and then lost controls to the thinking machines. He served his father until he came across a young captured woman, serena butler, and her baby. On ot the thinking machin was making horrible expriments on humans and ultimatly killed the baby, which trigger an uprising on earth, which was glassed. Vorian and Serena escaped and put on forth the Butlerian Jihad against the thinking machines. Serena did not see the end of the jihad, but by the end Vorian Atriedes became the highest commanding officer of the armies of the free humanand at the last battle a young Harkonnen diabled the strongest weapons of the fleet, because the crazy TM who was responsible for the killing of seren's child on earth put on a orbital human shieléd rigged with explosive, which ledt to a bloody battle with a lot of losses on th ehuman side. Reason why the Harkonnen were bannished.
you guys should have watched Raised by the wolves and Viking before talking about Travis , he is also lead character in Warcraft Movie. Please !!! GUYS
36:30 from my other comment on tech and beleif eventually decline/alter in span of 10k years. literally era wise the yare about 110 years after the war against the ai machines which then their society is pretty much "modern" like but with advance tech and spaceships. the emperor as you see how he is treated he isnt the "god like emperor of the imperium and supposed immortal saduakar warriors" as seen in dune movies but more a regular emperor that can be swapped out via the sisterhood (note they aint called bene gesserit yet) teachings and/or voted removal by other house officials. but in next span of 10k years ppl faiths will change seeing the sisterhood as go to for their survivial, view the emperor as a religious figure, turn spice resource into in a way holy water claiming to bless ppl that take it in and so on.
I think you misunderstood. I’m saying that their reaction has peaked my curiosity about the show so I’m going to watch it now lol. It’s a prequel show, so viewing it before the movies shouldn’t negatively impact the movie, if anything it would give me better understanding of them 🙂
@@michaelchavez2206 you’re referencing that fact that George Lucus may have barrow multiple ideas from dune as it was written much earlier than the Star War movie, right?
i imagine the reaction of them seeing a little boy marrying a women is fine but i was to flip it i imagine they would react in a different way thats how the world we live in works
First Reverend Mother: "You are going to see the BURNING truth"
Decades later, Valya Harkonen sees a sister spontaneously combusting in front of her: "I see Mother. I see."
Valya deadass said “I understand it now”
Wow you have at least 2 braincells. Great work!
This series, it's striking a balance between the original Frank books, the Brian books, and the Villeneuve films. A very difficult task and so far they're kind of pulling it off.
As usual we have weirdo book purists nitpicking details but that's expected for any book series adapted into the screen
Ironic, since most of the books this is based on had almost no Frank Herbert influence. General consensus is that they diverged massively from his original ideas.
@@brilobox2 When I say "weird purists," I'm referring to people like you. Are you seriously suggesting that the concepts, settings, characters, and ideas from Frank Herbert's original books have no influence on Brian Herbert's works at all? How does that even make sense? Are Brian Herbert's books supposed to be a completely separate universe that just coincidentally includes Dune, the Atreides, the Harkonnens, and so on?
I agree with you, they've done a great job synthesizing something from so many aspects of the dune universe
@@Tochi68 I think what anybody not in love with Brian Herbert's books are saying is that they probably aren't in love with how Brian added Terminator Judgement Day to Dune lore, across 5 books, while insisting that that was what his dad wanted to do all along, who only had 1 book left to go. I read all of Dune only last year, I have no purist love for it, but Brian's take is generally more Marvel and Spielberg than Herbert's, and at some point it's really easy to see that he doesn't understand some things.
@@MasoomRana I actually agree with you. Brian's works can be hit or miss. But the important thing here is that you weren't weird about it.
It is awesome they are using this show to address the rift between the Atreides and Harkonnen that started during the Butlerian Jihad.
Harkonnen, the villain of a mis-told story.
It was all because Abulurd Harkonnen wanted to avoid killing all the humans during the battle of corrin cause the evermind Omnius decided to use the human slaves as a shield around the planet. Abulurd didn’t want to kill them, and Vorian was willing to sacrifice them.
@@VictoriaNavarrostill villains regardless. the story also wasnt mistold.
@@tgiacin435 the atredies could always make the hard choices. vorian sacrificing the slaves of omnius, pauls jihad, & finally leto. all 3 to save humanity.
Perhaps irrational, perhaps rational, shows/movies can't say "Jihad" in Western media post-9/11 anymore, except with Middle Eastern villains between 2000-2011; at least, not used elsewhere in Western media anymore to my knowledge.
Bro is always playing a religious fanatic 😂 the perfect type cast
Ragnar !
So true....Vikings, Raised By Wolves, now this 😅
Raised by wolves
It's the crazy eyes.
This is a surprisingly good balance between what the Original Series Only fans want, and what the fans of the prequel books were hoping for. I’m shocked that they pulled this off (so far).
Agreed. It's the first and only adaptation of anything Dune related that directly referenced the God Emperor. Huge kudos for the show for doing that in the first episode.
its also the showrunners probably know the gripes of the other books that frank son wrote on that fans question so here they clarify/clean up those parts from the books to make bit more sense.
I've never read this book (sisterhood) but it does do well in keeping the history.
The young sowrdmaster that Nez is in love with is actually Keiran Atreides. You hear the Fremen bartender call him by his last name Atreides. Its crazy how far back all these Great Houses are entertwined with eachother
Well it says in the original books that Atreides lineage is coming from the likes of Agamemnon, a legendary Greek king
How do you know the bartender is Fremen?
@@Niven110 her clothing is definetly Fremen and as a bartender she obviously isnt a noble with wealth and connections to abuse the Rare and Expensive spice like the Nobles do. But she got the Eyes of Ibad (the blue eyes when you exposed to too much spice) which indicates she is a native to Arakis.
@@frankensteinmurillo446 she maybe a city dweller from arakeen but those are not Fremen. Imperial citizens that inhabit the cities created by the imperium can also develop the eyes of ibad due to exposure as well as spice smugglers. I don’t believe there is any example is any example in the book of a real fremen abandoning their people to live in the imperium that is still persecuting them
@@Niven110 fair enough 👌
Watch Vikings, or at least the first 4 seasons of Vikings. That's Travis Fimmels most iconic role as Ragnar lothbrok. Amazing character and actor. He was also in another great sci fi series called Raised by Wolves on Max but it unfortunately got canceled after the 2nd season.
that last scene was a Sharing, when a reverend mother in her deathbed shares the "Other Memory" (all the memories from her ancestors that she gained when she took the spice essence and went through the spice agony becoming a reverend mother) with another reverend mother, so this means that Kasha and her prescience are inside Valya's mind, everything she knew, Valya knows.
@@PedroRodrigues-fh1ku I thought that ability was developed later by the sisterhood and required poison transmutation (water of life or other substances)?
@@Niven110 oh, you are right, I keep forgetting they still don't have that... so maybe she only shared her memories? maybe that is what prompts them to start looking into other memories and the spice could be a catalyst to achieve more...
@@PedroRodrigues-fh1ku I mean you could be right or what happened in the scene was a more basic version of the sharing. The show is going to introduce original content to the establishment book lore so they might present things very differently from the prequels
@@Niven110 I only read the six books yet, just finished Chapterhouse. Yeah they never explained when and how the bene Gesserit started using spice to achieve stuff like Sharing or Other memory(sharing for exemplo just appears out of nowhere without any explanation and feels the most "magical" stuff in the books, and it's right after Leto II introduces the concept of magical universe), even tho some characters start to achieve similar skills as the bene gesserit without the spice agonym just through the selective breeding and mentat training.
I think youre missing one important thing about Kasha and that is she situated herself as the Mom/Wife without actually being so....the sisters use EVERY method to control the men at their posts, including satisfying ALL their needs and making themselves indispensable in EVERY way. So Kasha is emotional BECAUSE shes taken over the role the Mom/Wife HAD and its made her attached to them and the mom/wife character very bitter.
If I was Mark Strong's character I would've made sure Kasha would've fulfilled the wife role. In the bedroom.
Wait......she was.....you know with the Emperor?
I noticed this also
@@MrFredsttdefinitely
@@MrFredstt Lol they don't say but the sisters were trained lovers....they spent their whole lives learning how to control people without the subjects understanding they were being controlled...They gave people thoughts with them thinking it was their idea...so sex was an easy and willing method of control and they were extremely discreet...The thing is Kasha could have been emotionally attached to the emperor and his daughter as the result of replacing her in their lives and it explains why the mom was bitter.
Travis Fimmel is a great actor, i watched the series "Vikings" just because of him
Exactly the comment I was going to make.
Travis Fimmel played an awesome role in Vikings and also the Warcraft movie.
And Raided by wolves
Such a shame what happened to the warcraft movie. It was good and could have been great if they hadn't cut it down so much. Travis and Ben Foster were both fantastic in it.
The sisters began as helpers, but foresaw a Tyrant who would endanger them. In response they developed ways to combat the Tyrant. So when Paul rolls around (in large part due to their actions), they are already pre positioned to be a threat to him that he now has to deal with.
It could have gone an entirely different way, and had them foresee him Uniting everyone with them at his side, and they would have worked towards that...
But there's a sense that Paul's... Future? is so necessary that it is pushing events.
The tyrant is the god-emperor right?
@@MrFredstt Dune is kind of about cyclical things, everything Rhymes if you are George Lucas who "was inspired" by it.
Bene's want a Kwisatz who would be the culmination of their breeding program, and have access to Powers they didn't, so they could survive the "Threat" from the Future... which is Paul, and his descendants, who are the culmination of their breeding program and have access to Powers they didn't.
Paul is not the Tyrant. Leto 2, Paul's son is the Tyrant. He is the God Emperor. Ruling for 1000 years.
Travis Fimmel just be Ragnar in every role he plays... and I'm here for it.
IKR?! 🤣 I was waiting for Mark Strong's character to ask him "Have you ever heard of a man called Ragnar Lothbrok? You remind me of him from my history studies about the Sagas from ancient Scandinavia."
Now we just need Katherine Winnick to play one of the queens of one of the houses.
Space Ragnar
pretty much a blonde jason momoa 😄
Jack Nicholson and Samuel L Jackson are the same. It works for some actors.
Young Kasha is portrayed by Yerin Ha who also appears in Halo. And older Kasha is portrayed by Jihae.
This show has definitely done a great job casting the younger version and older versions of all the characters.
I love the actor they chose for desmond hart and he’s playing the role awesome already.
He was in raised by wolves which was an interesting show but he plays i think a similar role
He plays Ragnar Lothbrok in Vikings.
Actors name is Travis Fimmel.😀🤩
Its important to understand that after the war against A.I. , humanity lost all ability to use tech. A.I. nearly killed all humans. So several schools using biology, not computers, rose. The bene jesserit, mentats, sword masters of ginaz, the spacing guild, to name but a few.
@@Tommy1977777 the imperium still uses advanced tech, it just can’t simulate human intelligence in any way . The principals of the Butlerian Jihad and the OC bible left what exactly counts as forbidden technology vague in practice if not intent. The specific commandment “Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind.”, has been interpreted by both in book characters and fans differently. Some would argue that even simple calculators would count as a thinking machine while others would argue only advanced programming and algorithms would fall under the prohibitions.
Certain groups, such as the Ixians, push the boundaries of this prohibition. The Ixians are known for creating machines that tread the line of legality, often disguising their computational capabilities. The vast majority of Noble houses used their tech and it was an open secret that their tech skirted the boundaries of the anti Ai prohibitions
Harkonenns don't really value their women very much. Valya maybe holding a grudge against her family, thus the refusal. Also, I think that it was the Richese who attacked the spice harvester. I just think it's awful convenient that they get a prince on the throne, a wing in the palace and an Emperor and future Empress in their pocket after that attack. I expect Hart to accuse the Richese of that and the Emperor to commandeer their fleet and fighters.
Are you basing the way harkonenns by the movies or the prequel books
@Niven110 Neither. I'm not really concerned with prequel point of view on anything, honestly. But, in the original novels, Harkonenns do not care about their women.
Travis Fimmel played almost the same exact character on the Max show Raised by Wolves. A sci-fi setting where he becomes a religious zealot who gained powers.
My thoughts exactly. A religious zealot in a sci fi show. Haha must be easy for him to get into the mindset now
@ Agreed. He’s got that extra special crazy going on that he brings out now and then to show to people.
You’re right!! And Here might be a Ghola just like IN RAISED BY WOLVES where he was an impostor too.🤯🤯
he knows to stay in his lane 😄
Hopefully after watching Travis Fimmel in this show they’ll watch Vikings.🤞🤞
Travis was excellent in Raised by Wolves. A criminally slept on show that is super weird. But worth the watch. I don't know if Dune: Prophercy will ever be as interesting as Raised by Wolves. But it feels like it has a chance to make a mark.
In the books the machine war is called the Butlerian JIHAD. You can see why the show wasn’t gonna call it that.
Yeah lamo
The same happens in the movies
because it is taboo word in western mainstream ))
The story does strangely enough take place (following current irl pew projections) in a post-Islamic future where the religions of humanity are so mangled and evolved that they're hardly the same, yet many similarities remain, especially in the new merged religion/splinter sect born through the amalgamation of all remaining faiths with future Islam in the Orange Catholic Bible [ Orange.. 'no reason, Catholic as in Universal and Bible as in Library, it isn't Christian] the new scripture is more akin to the Sikh Gur Granth Sahib, a mix of other world religions in one book.
Which is why there are so many Islamic styled things from the veils and the pomegranate and how all the beni gesserit were in namaaz positions ( on their knees with hands up surrounding the water fountain as if praying for the dead leader, making "dua" for her )
This is why the line about "gods" plural, kind'a threw me off, this made me wonder if this was a change made by the showrunners, similar to how the [spoilers] judge of the change in the Dune movie part 1 , spoke about worshipping the worms, both these polytheistic threads made me wonder if these were added, since they deviate from the religion in the Books which is supposed to be more in line with a "what if" futuristic version of Islam, if we let it be subjected to perennialism and evolution over eons, including a space age, galactic colonization and Ai takeover followed by a terminator style war with the machines... I suppose polytheism could creep in, after humanity is subjected to so much abuse, cultural destruction and decay, but it still feels weird when you consider how they preserve so much of the lingo and prayer customs and fragments of eschatology which are mentioned in the books, making me think that these are all attempts to pull the series away from the Islamic aesthetic as to not accidentally ruffle feathers and create undue drama. Them being overly cautious to a fault, which I find to be a shame.
For those of you who are confused by the fact that actor Travis Fimmel appears to be playing the exact same role that he did in HBO's "Raised by Wolves" short-lived SF series, here's my theory.
In "Raised by Wolves", Travis played Marcus/Caleb, a soldier with Tourette-like facial tics, a penchant for levitating and mystical powers courtesy of giant flying lizards which burrow through the planet Kepler 22B.
In "Dune Prophecy", Travis plays Desmond Hart, a soldier with Tourette-like facial tics, a penchant for levitating and mystical powers courtesy of giant sandworms which burrow through the planet Arrakis.
It is painfully obvious that Marcus/Caleb and Desmond Hart changed places when falling into a hole that connected Kepler 22B and Arrakis and then basically switched identities, which is in keeping with the sleazy nature of the character.
Even the name of Dune Prophecy's second episode is..."Two Wolves."
I have no idea whats going on but im team Travis Fimmel no matter what.... Vikings
At this point, HBO is in a league of its own. Also I'm on Fimmel's side, even if he's the villain. To Valhöll!
Let’s hope they don’t shit the bed again like with GOT.
@@k5sssbro don't bring GOT into this because GAME OF THRONES is legendary and dune just started
Stop comparing this shit show with the GOAT GOT
I know that at least 2/3s of the comments are saying the same- but you really should watch Vikings. Travis Fimmel's Ragnar Lothbrok is one of my favorite characters in the history of television!
My one big hope for this series is that it will give Emily Watson some long-needed exposure, but she hasn't been really mentioned in any of the discussion, which makes me sad.
there is a chance she may not have that many episode roles because supposedly the show each season will jump years. so this and maybe s2 is close together but s3 may see a huge jump. by end of the show depending on length it will end close to when the events of dune begin like say the day paul is born.
I cant do three hours of slow burn at once but I can handle learning world building in several 45 minute episodes
44:10 she's most likely not from Arrakis, remember ANYONE who consumes enough spice eventually gets the blue eyes. Given that this is a drug heavy club/bar, she's prolly just had a lot of it over the years.
seemed it was just a spice-themed hookah bar, nothing too crazy 😄
@vinsanity40k spice is a drug, that's what I was referring to. It seemed a spice heavy establishment.
Travis fimmel is in Vikings you guys should definitely checkout his work he is an amazing actor.
I was so hooked on that show because of his performance. He was insanely good.
You guys are intelligent. Your discussions are intelligent. 🎉
I took the mirror images as false reflections of truth among truth sayers. As though it’s saying they can’t see the lies all around them.
"They didn't have Skype back then" lol it's the future😂😂
It started off slow and contrived but the second half of the episode sold me. I want to see more.
6:08 When I'm at a party and see someone about to double dip in the cheese sauce.
🤣
I think understanding the entire saga and the Butlarian Jihad, the survivor of the attack on Arakis uses very specific words, ‘do you believe in something beyond man and machines.’ And that is the key to the burning and hatred of the Bene Gesserit.
GREAT first episode 👍🏼👍🏼
The one you called "The Little One" is my niece Chloe Lea
I think that in denying house harkonen a sister, she was toeing the line as the harkonen family wasnt treated favoribly. That's why in the intro she was talking about how she was gonna change things for her house.
The show is made for the book readers, and they did an excellent job. For example the mystery guy could be a Gola, which they cover heavily in the books after the first one. In the club they are getting high on spice. What she saw at the end... its a reference to her either seeing Maudib, the future birth the bene geserit are trying to reach, or its the God Emperor looking back in time. Truly remarkable stuff.
the fact that Valyas breeding plans took 10 000 years to almost work only for Valyas own descendent Jessica to betray her orders for love and have a son, then irony that the planes were ruined or at least hinder because an Atreides and Harkonnen fell in love
I'm glad we have the Jaby x Achara duo for this really promising tv show, sometimes having someone else can be disapointing, no offense.
I love Travis Fimmel's work, but I felt like he was repeating the same character he played in raised by wolves.
He's a one trick pony actor. Typecast. Limited range
Guys watch vikings at least as long as its with ragnar. It seems to be pretty much the same roll. Also i think he is bene tleilax or old way fremen. The way they were killed at the end could be poison. He stabbed machine with dagger and gave it back. Or it could be some kind of ix tech, tech is pretty heavy themed so far, so close to buthlerian jihad.
That’s epic when she made that noise
Now I can watch this reaction. I finally began to watch the series.
I started yesterday. Six episodes in one day. I was hooked.
A bit thick on the exposition at the start, but I guess it is a different arena than the Dune movies, so more info is needed to be understood by the audience. Anyway...
Dune was an oceanic world turned into a desert world, then back into the tropics, then back to desert again. Ring around the rosies, pocketful of posies....
I have a 95-inch screen TV here! I am a huge cinephile and love the big screen experience. I also have an HD laser throw projector in the bedroom.
the lying course is interesting because its true. we as a species rely on trust to live and be part of a group/society even as far back as tribal years. attempt to lie for your own self gain or cause harm to another is a sign to that group/society you are a nuisance/threat to them. as such the common response is at minimal shame/shun them depending on the lie to something more severe depending on the circumstances which rarely could involve life. this is why either your brain holds you back to not to lie for your own surviival and keep you safe OR unlocks that barrier to survive by lying yourself out of the situation even if aware the dangers that may fall upon you down the road.
11:50 - My thoughts exactly... But with no option to quit
It’s so funny how much information we have given in this one episode compared to the two movies where we needed to collect information like a hunters because nobody was giving us shit 😂
You have no idea how many easter eggs this series has for me, who has been a Dune reader since I was 20 years old. By the way, Jaby, I've been watching your videos for 10 years.
I have a feeling that you do not know Travis and have not watched the Vikings, so I strongly recommend that you watch the Vikings
Did anyone catch on Raquella death bed in the vision saying Tiran-Arafel ? A big clue was dropped there about the future.
You don't need to aproach it the way Villeneuve approached it, the movies doesn't really have the same vibe and "visuals" of the books. Villeneuve chose minimalism and brutalist structures as the main visual style for the movies which makes it look too sterilized, even tho I love the Brutalism I think it took away the fantasy aspect of the books which are more prominent than the sci-fi. This tv show is based on books, not Villeneuve's movies, they don't need to look the same. The main reason you feel a disconnection in style is because we are actually seeing how the world of Dune looks like outside of the desert planet, most of the weirder music in the movies are to represent current Harkonnen that are different after thousands of years, and they also use more "world music" to represent the Fremen, we don't see that in the tv show because the setting is different, the time frame is different. In the books every couple volume the setting changes, thousands of years passes and all societies changes drastically, even the names of the worlds changes, the Fremen changes, the sisterhood, the Harkonen, the imperium, and even how the story is told and somewhat the style of the writing (it's a big change from children of dune to next 3 volumes)
The series looks exactly as an epic space opera should! Villeneuve did a huge disservice to the story and setting with his minimalist visual and emotional approach. The movie looks too contemporary and frankly too cheap for a galaxy-spanning empire.
@@vanyadolly my grudge with the movie was mostly the visuals, although I love brutalist architecture and mininimalism, it was overdone. It lacks grit, texture, noise... the interior scenes doesn't look like places people live in. Arrakeen is barely there as a populated city. The aesthethics lack some fantasy elements that are so present in the books but the movie feels like it's set in the blade runner universe. The lack of variation in colour also bothers me, makes the movie too bleak... I think the techinicolour look of that previous syfy series fits so much better with the first book. The soudtrack stealls most of the scenes, I liked the sketchbook dune soundratck a lot better, it was composed as an exploration for the final soundtrack but it has more character to it (but I understand why it wasn't in the movie because of how the score has to fit with the scenes) anyways
@@PedroRodrigues-fh1ku I agree completely. His desaturated and dour visual style arguably worked for contemporary movies like Arrival, but it robbed Dune of so much of its atmosphere and believability.
I'll argue Blade Runner looks better because he had to maintain some consistency with the neon and gold art deco style of the original.
It was an okay opening i do wish the music and visuals were more attention catching. After arcane and penguin being 10/10. I need a little more drom the show.
Трэвис буквально перепрыгнул из карты Созданные Волками в локацию Дюны DDD
I seriously love when Jaby does his Palm Springs old gay accent😭
Did he acquire a new gay accent?
The gate people oh I remember them this happened when I was a kid but I remember the bump beds an the purple sheets
Did seriously cut Desmond Hart entry...the coolest part?
Cool reaction! Love the long discussion at the end. Travis Fimmel is a supernatural actor! Check out "Raised by Wolves". I agree that Mark Strong seems to have been given too much direction to act dumb and useless -- it SEEMS obvious that he's just there to be killed off, but hopefully he smartens up and is with us for a long time.
I feel like the show seems in danger of de-mystifying too much and becoming a generic story. These characters should be using spice, having secret visions, and more stuff hinted at but not shown. Solving the mythology never works because the writing is never as good as the individual's imagination. I noted that the scale of the cast and sets are obviously limited; just hire more extras as guards for the emperor of the known universe, please. lol
If you wanna learn more about 1:47, read Dune: The Battle of Corrin by Brian Herbert
I cant help but compare how well the scenes were done with background actors and the places versus how poorly The Wheel of time series on Amazon portrayed everything. Even the writing seemed superior and conveyed a larger storyline that went well versus the original plots. Compared to The Wheel of Time I sensed a lot of similarities which hopefully the writers of the Amazon series will copy in future seasons.
Fimmels role didn't change much since Raised by Wolves. :)
The scene where the little boy dies is so sad💔😞 he was just innocently playing with his pet...
also good to see travis flimmel back but same time worried of his performance. ppl gonna say "its good, his performance reminds me of-" and thats where the issue is.
if you dont know his rep came from being the lead role in Vikings show as ragnar lothbrok. the way he acts here is same as that. he also acted the same as the lead role in the warcraft movie. so branding wise its good/bad here. the good is ppl will recognize is acting personality very easily but he cant expand from that either the director/showrunner tells him to be that or worst he doesnt know how to. it goes hack to the chris pratt acting discussion on since his voice acting days for cartoons to live shows before movie rep his acting been near the same.
end of the day i still like him since i been fan of him since vikings and warcraft. there is moments he can vastly change from the common role personality seen here but he is limited to brand expectations. hoping one day he gets a movie lead role and heavily shine in that.
Yeah, basically he has no range. He always plays this irreverent, kind of low-key insane person. It just varies in extremity depending on the role.
She sees the burning truth. Kasha is burning inside out (which is why im like what do u mean say something shes burning alive dude). Kasha knows the truth but was dismissed.
Dude, why didn't you react to The Penguin?? Probably the best show of the year. Awesome performances by all the actors involved, solid gripping storyline too.
From what I remember brian's books the word fremen did not came to be during the butlerian jihag has they were still names as zennsunni wanders that finally seetled on arrakis.
Also in the war before the "people rose up" the was already a coalition of free worlds fighting the thinking machines.
Vorian Atreides was born from the Cymek Agamemnon, prt ancient leaders who had their brains removed and put in jar to control machinery and then lost controls to the thinking machines.
He served his father until he came across a young captured woman, serena butler, and her baby.
On ot the thinking machin was making horrible expriments on humans and ultimatly killed the baby, which trigger an uprising on earth, which was glassed.
Vorian and Serena escaped and put on forth the Butlerian Jihad against the thinking machines.
Serena did not see the end of the jihad, but by the end Vorian Atriedes became the highest commanding officer of the armies of the free humanand at the last battle a young Harkonnen diabled the strongest weapons of the fleet, because the crazy TM who was responsible for the killing of seren's child on earth put on a orbital human shieléd rigged with explosive, which ledt to a bloody battle with a lot of losses on th ehuman side. Reason why the Harkonnen were bannished.
you guys should have watched Raised by the wolves and Viking before talking about Travis , he is also lead character in Warcraft Movie. Please !!! GUYS
You should check out Travis in Vikings. (Probably not for the channel but in your own time) Lol He is outstanding.
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I agree with the duxe this series doesnt reslly feel transcendent like the movies
36:30 from my other comment on tech and beleif eventually decline/alter in span of 10k years. literally era wise the yare about 110 years after the war against the ai machines which then their society is pretty much "modern" like but with advance tech and spaceships. the emperor as you see how he is treated he isnt the "god like emperor of the imperium and supposed immortal saduakar warriors" as seen in dune movies but more a regular emperor that can be swapped out via the sisterhood (note they aint called bene gesserit yet) teachings and/or voted removal by other house officials. but in next span of 10k years ppl faiths will change seeing the sisterhood as go to for their survivial, view the emperor as a religious figure, turn spice resource into in a way holy water claiming to bless ppl that take it in and so on.
The Corrino Emperor was never viewed as a God and the Sarduakar were never viewed as immortal. Where are you getting your information from?
After the Silo season premier was disappointing because it was such a nothing burger. This was a pleasant surprise.
I wasn’t even going to watch this show bc I’m not really into DUNE but I am now lol
Then why you're even here in the first place if u dont watch the movie yet then this is the wrong one for you
I think you misunderstood. I’m saying that their reaction has peaked my curiosity about the show so I’m going to watch it now lol. It’s a prequel show, so viewing it before the movies shouldn’t negatively impact the movie, if anything it would give me better understanding of them 🙂
I appreciate that it’s a prequel for this reason too, since I haven’t read the books.
Just letting Achara kow this IS connected to the movies, just a very far set prequel but still connects
My question is where are the Mentats? They were established right after the war with the Thinking Machines to replace them.
Good point, was this established in the original books or prequels, I’m not sure
I’m thinking Desmond Hart is one and/or a Ghola Hayt. The way he was twitching and his crazy eyes.
It always make me laugh how easily people get on board with eugenics when it is proposed by the supposed protagonists. XD
Pompous much...
Next waiting to exhale boomerang poetic justice
Cobra kai season 6 episode 10👍👍...so epic !!! 👍👍👍👍👍
I’m just loving the fact that Tabu is in this.
For the engagement ❤❤
I never understand such complicated stories
I need someone more knowledgeable about Dune to explain to me wtf that ending was lmao
There are no machines in the movies... Thats why it feels modern, even though its in the past... For obvious reasons
Dune reminds me of Star Wars 😂😂
Star wars is abit more colourful and festive
@@michaelchavez2206 you’re referencing that fact that George Lucus may have barrow multiple ideas from dune as it was written much earlier than the Star War movie, right?
It seems the man needs to watch vikings
Watch temptation confessions of a marriage counselor
i imagine the reaction of them seeing a little boy marrying a women is fine but i was to flip it i imagine they would react in a different way thats how the world we live in works
Watch temptation confessions of a marriage counselor it’s a Tyler Perry movie
It's a prequel.
Please give the Star Trek franchise a chance on your channel.
Star Trek is on the calendar for year 2040 just be patient
I liked the "struggle", maybe thats not the right word, or lack of mastery of the voice that is shown in dune 10000 years later
You guys skipping on penguin...is beyond any logic
The child's death was painful 😢
Please react to The School of Good and Evil
“SWORD” master was an appropriate title for that guy.. in more ways than one! Loved the reaction.. show is intriguing for sure!
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