*DUNE* Left Us SHOOK And Wanting More | Reaction
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- Dune (2021) | First Time Watching | Movie Reaction
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Introduction: 0:00 - 4:12
Reaction: 4:13 - 56:06
Discussion/Review: 56:07 - 1:12:03
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Wow we loved this a lot more than we were expecting!
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“ I recognize your foot steps” is about the worm. The bigger older worms are called “ old man “ or “ grand father “ worms.
How did you think 1 and 2 compared, considering you watched both for the first time close together?
This may have been brought up below, or in your patreon comments: I think Villeneuve was optimistic, but the production of pt2 wasn't green lit until after the release of pt1. As I assume you know, pt1 was released during the lockdown/pandemic, which greatly impacted a film's box office success.
Frank Herbert wrote the books after his travels to the Middle East in the 50's and 60's. The "symbolism" of the movie is: Spice is like oil, the Fremen (free men) is symbolic of the Arabs that were messed over by the "great ppwers" (UK, France and US). PART 2 will BLOW YOUR MINDS!!!!
@@williamhayes3379 I think it's symbolic in that he saw how these things happen again and again to humanity, so he expanded it to the far future where there's a different valuable resource and different people, but the same patterns keep happening. Actually worse - humanity has stagnated due to the enormous power struggles and dependency on spice. That's what Paul is trying to break humanity out from...and there's only one narrow path that is bad in its own rights. So it's an analogy, but also a warning that it could happen again (and I'm sure there's recent examples although oil is still that dominant resource).
So wonderful to see a Dune reaction from people who have NOT seen Star Wars. It will be so refreshing when you finally watch Star Wars to hear you say, "Just like Dune" instead of the other way around, because that's the truth.
That was pretty much what I was thinking also. There are similarities and a few significant differences. Overall I think Dune is a bit more refined and deals with some loftier concepts and Heros and villains are intentionally a matter of perspective. Star Wars is rather more straight forward but enjoyable all the same. Its like the difference between Hamburger and Steak. Both have their place depending on your mood and they have a lot in common but the experience is quite different.
I so agree
No, it's not the truth. Of course, Dune is older than Star Wars, we know that, but anyone who says that one is like the other hasn't understand any of the two.
People just say "ThEre iS a pLaNet fuLl of sAnd anD It is iN sPacE aNd tHerE is an EmpIrE soMeWheRe, so It is ThE sAmE 🥴"
But if you look any closer about how the stories are told, how the characters are written and what messages the stories wants you to give, they couldn't be more different.
Yes, and hopefully they’ll watch only Episodes 1-6 of Star Wars
@@Mis7erSeven I think the perceived similarities are in how one inspired the other, not the narration. But yeah, SW is a stereotypical heroïc tale (long ago, far far away, etc) that uses a space opera setting for an almost medieval journey whereas Dune delves into transhumanism and technological dystopy full on.
"I must not fear. Fear is the mind-killer. Fear is the little-death that brings total obliteration. I will face my fear. I will permit it to pass over me and through me. And when it has gone past I will turn the inner eye to see its path. Where the fear has gone there will be nothing. Only I will remain."
Here I am, here i remain
My favorite Quote....but I've only read books 1 and 2...and Dune of course.
My favorite Dune mantra for forty years since being introduced to this world!
Maybe it works pre danger? If you're in the midst of danger, taking some deep breaths is the recommended technique. If you're clinging to composure in the face of oblivion, reciting poetry won't be at the forefront of your mind. I still love the quote.
A Litania do Mêdo...
I actually think that the opening alien speech is genius. In the cinema, in both parts, it shut up the audience and made them pay attention.
It also immediately immerses you in how alien this world is to our current time. It kind of blasts away your preconceptions and forces you to just watch and get into it.
Like the old Saxon exclamation “Hwaet!” at the beginning of the Beowulf poem. It literally is an exhortation to hear, to stop talking and listen.
Absolutely perfect opening. Like "WHOA, okay this is going to be different, aesthetic, sonic, and demand my attention." And then it delivers on all of those
"When you take a life, you take your own" "Paul Atreides must die, for Kwisatz Haderach (Chosen One) to awake", so Paul 'the boy' died in that fight against Jamis, just not physically. Jamis also said "I will show you the ways of the Desert", and, he technically did by forcing Paul to take a life, showing him the Brutal reality and customs of the Fremen. Maybe in another Future, Paul didn't humiliate Jamis by taking his Pistol and they instead became Friends, as Duncan said, "Dreams only make good Stories, everything important happens when we're awake..."
“Because that’s when we make stuff happen.”
did Paul die then, or when he LITERALLY died when he drank the water of life? I think thats what his "dream" was saying.
@@anthonywilson7681"when you take a life, you take your own" in a way he lost his innocence by killing, no phisically but in a deep way of the soul. When he drank the water of life he almost almost die, like in a deep comma.
@@anthonywilson7681one of the best quotes of his father was "Every human hide a sleeper deep within their own self... the sleeper must aweak" something like that haha (sorry for the bad english)
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He dies multiple times. The naive boy he was died in this fight with Jamus. Jamus is still his teacher and shows him multiple things throughout both movies. Paul completely dies once he drinks the water. His single consciousness is no more.
I actually really like how Duncan at 44:24 doesn't attack from behind and sneak attack but instead yells out. You'll notice that he and many Atreides often do this. They yell the name of their enemy because they want to face them head on. Unlike the Sardaukar who attack from behind.
I think also since he was trying to buy time for Paul and Jessica to escape, he yelled to draw as much attention back to him as possible
I think yelling after pulling a sword out of one's stomach is natural. The comment "At least sneak-attack, don't yell!" in that situation made me laugh so hard :D
I'd also argue that a warcry is not uncommon in war history either, it gives you inner strength at that moment, and lets you push even further then you would otherwise. Its literally a way to push one-self's boundaries to do the impossible and do what you believe in. It shows inner strength but also unrelenting loyalty and honor. Its psychological and its in human nature and it works amazingly well. Warcries are indeed a thing.
It's only recently I realised that it's actually the Sardaukar themselves that call out their own name before battle as a war cry. If you've seen Part 2 you'll notice toward the end that the Sardaukar cry out the name before assuming battle position.
Which makes it even cooler that Duncan yells it back at them before he dies, showing he's truly unafraid of their intimidation tactics.
Duncan forced whatever he had left to pump his adrenaline and any other energy for the last attack, while drawing every Sardaukar in the hallway to him. I believe in the book he kills 12… but 12 Sardukar in that universe is like killing 100 Special Force Soldiers or trained assassins… or like killing 12 John Wicks….
Great call out by Spartan about the juxtaposition between the Father & Son talk vs Mother & Son talk. Very observant. Of all the reactions I’ve watched no one else noticed that comparison! 👏🏾 💡
"Deep in the human unconscious is a pervasive need for a logical universe that makes sense. But the real universe is always one step beyond logic."
Honestly what better science fiction book is there for pure unadulterated quotes? Dune might be the most quotable fiction book
@@pseudonymousbeing987 Every other sentence Frank Herbert wrote had me bewildered staring around my room saying "What tf did he just say??" and it was amazing.
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I haven't read the 4th but the 2nd and 3rd where just as dense with brilliant quotes. But since I hear the 4th is the most philosophical and openly largely a philosophical dialogue of the god Emperor, I expect it'll be the best one for them. Exciting.
You look out at this wasteland of arrakis, it looks like chaos, but there's always somebody behind the wheel
No it's not...the rest of you just don't know how logic actually works.
Some names and stuff to help y'all ^-^:
Fremen: The race of people on Arrakis, the desert planet (also known as Dune)
Chani: The woman in Paul's dreams and the one he meets at the end (Zendeya)
Stilgar: The man that leads the group of Fremen that Paul and his mom come across, with his glorious beard
House Atreides: Paul's family
Jessica: Paul's mother
Jamis: The person Paul saw in his dreams that said he would teach the ways of the Fremen to him, and the one he fought at the end
Shai Hulud: The name for the sand worms
Lisan Al-Gaib: Voice from the Outer World, messiah to the Fremen
Bene Gesserit: The women with the power of The Voice (and Paul has their power too, as the only male)
Kwizatz Haderach: "The One" to the Bene Gesserit, said by them to be able to bridge time and space
House Harkonnen: The group of people that seemingly have albino skin and their flying leader :P
Hopefully this helps a bit
As for the dreams: they're not always literal ;)
Pudgey: “Feeeuh is the mind keeeluh”
It always cracks me up how people perceive our Aussie accent. Love it.
@@vsquar3d well, most words are pronounced incorrectly, so it’s fun to hear 😅
@@vsquar3d How she said wootah. LMAO 🤣
@@vsquar3d Nawr.
@@vsquar3d Don’t be like that, you know your accent sounds crazy as shit
"Paul Atreides must die for the Kwizatz Haderach to rise." Followed by "When you take a life, you take your own." Paul "Died" when he killed Jamis. Also Jamis saying "I'll show you the ways of the Desert ." He did, kill or be killed IS the way of the desert! Can't wait for part 2!!! Great reaction!
The Jamis vision also confirms that the future isn't hard set. If things had gone differently, Jamis would have become Paul's closest friend. It didn't happen that way, but his friend still taught him the lessons he needed to learn.
@@LuxLoser Yea, he can see multiple possible futures, but he does not yet know what actions will lead to which.
For not knowing anything about Dune, you two did a masterful job of understanding the universe of Dune. Part Two will be amazing and I'm looking forward to your reactions. I totally enjoyed both of your reactions for Part One. I think I will subscribe.
I adore the way they portrayed the first sight of the Sandworm eating the crawler in the desert. The way the worm rises out of the dunes and just envelops it, and the way Liet-Kynes recites the prayer of the Maker, it's like an absolute religious experience.
One of the reasons the Emperor is so keen on taking out the Atreides is that both Duncan and Gurney are among the best swordsmen and warriors in the entire universe. Each of them are a match for any individual Sardaukar, who are supposed to be the Emperor's personal legion of unstoppable warriors. Gurney and Duncan are training the Atreides soldiers and the Emperor is absolutely terrified that an army with that training will be able to overthrow him.
Plus the Atreides have a lot of influence in the Landsraad which, if they wanted, could basically get most houses to out vote the House Corrino whenever they wished.
Bless the Maker and His Water.
Great comment. I never would have known. 🙏
Imagine how powerful they would have become if they hadn’t been wiped out. If they had more time to ally with the Fremen and maintain their training up of powerful soldiers, then they would have become the strongest house by far.
Gurney and Duncan individually were superior to any one Sardaukar warrior, and a Sardaukar was supposed to be equal to any 10 or 20 normal soldiers (like Harkonnens), but Duke Leto had Duncan and Gurney train a certain percentage of Atreides soldiers to about the same skill as Sardaukar. But one Fremen is as good as 10 or 20 Sardaukar, and they even prove this to Gurney in the book when they capture a Sardaukar--something that had never happened before in the galaxy's history.
Gurney and Duncan both train Paul, and then Paul faces Jamis, who was a better than average Fremen warrior...and we see the result. Now imagine Paul passing on his skills to other Fremen. No army would stand a chance against them.
You guys are the first reactors of seen that have understood how Paul’s prescience works. He can see every possible future as well as the past. In the book he calls himself “the friend of Jamis” … because he was his mentor in a possible future so he can learn from his ancestors AND his future
Good catch on the name Atreides sounding ancient Greek, the house heritage does hark back to ancient Greece on Earth. "the foreshadowing is ridiculous" - oh you dont even know how well you are seeing yet Spartan lol, I already know you're going to LOVE part 2.
He’s a Spartan bro cmon
Someone should mention: Dune didn't just inspire Star Wars, it also partly inspired Game of Thrones. Duke Leto has serious Ned Stark energy.
Eh idk about that. If I remember correctly GRR Martin said he only like the first 2 book, the best one for him is the first one... But even then he doesn't consider it as his favorite book / story. Plus GRRM is huge Tolkien fan and Tolkien disliked Dune with "intensity".
@@dewantoroo Tolkien's opinions on Dune have no bearing on GRRM's. Dune was a standalone, and Messiah came out mostly to clarify the meaning of the first.
Martin likes those books, and he was clearly influenced by them. The politics of Westeros have many parallels, the Leto/Paul and Ned/Jon parallels, and I mean... Three Eyed Raven? Leto II? Cmon, that parallel is obvious. Tolkien would have hated Martin's books too, since it was the cynicism of Dune he hated.
@@dewantoroo Does it have to be his favorite book for him to take inspiration from it? Does Tolkien, a different writer, have to like it for Martin to take inspiration from it? Martin is clearly inspired by a lot of books
The way I interpreted the visions was that there are a lot of different futures and Paul's decisions determines which one comes true. Also I believe they are not always literal. Paul sees himself die because in a way he has to let go of his innocent and sweet self to move forward.
You are partially correct. Paul is seeing many possible futures all at once including in so many futures where his enemies prevail, but he is totally oblivious to how he can navigate a path through them.
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It's not really a spoiler, but Paul also explains this in the second film and in the books. He sees possible futures, they may or may not become true, depending on his actions.
I've mentioned this to quite a few people by now, but it bears stating here again: when Paul sits down in front of the harvester after first being exposed to the spice he says "I recognize your footsteps, old man"; while Gurney is coming up behind him and he called him "old man" earlier, it serves as a double entendre that sadly is never stated explicitly in the film, because one of the main things the Fremen call the sandworm is "the Old Man of the Desert", so when Paul says he is recognizing its "footsteps" he is simultaneously referring to the worms signature vibrations and more generally showing his connection to it and the desert. It's a very subtle and genius move on the part of the people who made the film.
also foreshadowing / vision that is fulfilled in Part 2
Yeah I wish they mentioned that in the movie because as a book reader that's where my mind went instantly when watching that scene, such a great double entendre
Always this comment. No dude, it refers specifically to Gurney. Paul doesn't need to "recognize" the footsteps of the worm since it's causing a ruckus all around him.
Amazing comment. Thanks!
@@VoloMalVor being this confident as a non-book reader is wild
Props to the editor! Good job guys with the reaction as well, you understood a lot.
Wow Pudgey continues to blow me away with how quick she can catch on “dreams are messages from the deep” 2 minutes in and she already clocked the connection with Paul 😭
both of them picked up on so much, wow!!
''When you take a life you take your own'' in the vision he dies, meaning by killing the his opponent he is killing paul the boy and becoming the (al gaib) Paul the man.
kill the boy, jon snow
Exactly this
I'm always so surprised that pretty much all reacters miss this one sentence or they don't understand it, and I rlly don't get why
I also believe the vision of Chani killing Paul did happen, since she's the one that gave him the knife. She enabled Paul to take a life and in doing so, took his own.
Actually, the last vision came true. The voice said: "Paul Atreides must die for Kwisatz Haderach to rise. When you take a life you take your own". Paul took the life of Jamis so technically he said goodbye to his old self. He died for Kwisatz Haderach to come. Can't wait for your reaction to Dune part 2!
I can't believe that Pudgey got it already. Yup, Paul is learning stuff from the visions and the future paths themselves. He is being mentored in them, like literally. Each path is a learning experience. He doesn't even need to experience them in real life. The dreams/visions are in fact more useful than reality, when it comes to Paul. A cheat system for sure to say the least.
54:52 In one of Paul's earlier visions, Jamis (the guy he kills at t(e end) tells him "I will reach you the ways of the desert", and Jamis' death DID teach him the desert is a brutal, unforgiving place if you’re not tough enough to handle it. Like the Baron said earlier,"The desert takes the weak." Also, the whole thing of "Paul Atreides must die" just meant that the naive, young kid Paul was coming into this has to die in order for the man, the leader he’s destined to be, to rise.
And so Paul's sense of mercy died.
It's not touched on in the film but Dr. Yueh is even more tragic. The symbol on his head is meant to denote the highest level of loyalty. All the great houses use doctors from this school because they are meant to be 100% trustworthy. His wife is actually another Bene Gesserit who used her abilties to twist his loyalty away from his House and to her instead. Instead of being fanatically loyal to the the Duke, he was like that towards his wife. When his wife is taken by the Harkonnens, he will literally do ANYTHING to get her back. Her hubris in twisting his loyalty to her caused her torture, death, Yueh's death, and the downfall of the Atriedes.
In other news, this is a great adapatation!
In the book, the Atreides suspect there's a spy or mole and they're desperately trying to find them.
@@mtascp05 Indeed. Would've loved to see a drunk Duncan scene but they only have so much screentime to play with.
aside from loyalty, doctors with Suk conditioning were thought to absolutely be incapable of deliberately taking another person's life. the man was absolutely torn apart by his conflicting internal needs
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*_«'Yueh! Yueh! Yueh!' goes the refrain. 'A million deaths were not enough for Yueh!'»_*
- This is the first film version of the story that gives Duncan Idaho his due. In the novel, Duncan is one of the best fighters in the universe with a title, Swordmaster of Ginaz. To be a Swordmaster is no mean feat. They are one of the only groups of fighters who can come close to standing against the Emperor's Sardaukar. That he took out so many before he died is an example of how badass Duncan is. The salute Jason Momoa gives with the sword before he fights to help Paul and Jessica escape was not scripted. It was a way for him to acknowledge his own kids, and was completely improvised. The director liked it so much that, the salute is used in Dune Part 2.
- Both director Denis Villeneuve and composer Hans Zimmer were huge fans of the novel since they were teenagers. Both had the ambition to be a part of a new big screen adaptation. When Zimmer knew that Villeneuve had the job of bringing the book to the screen, he lobbied to compose the score.
- The themes of the book that are covered: politics, religion, the messianic impulse, economics, ecology, psychology, the repeating patterns of history, and the dangers of charismatic leaders. There is a famous quote by Herbert that he feels that, "...(charismatic leaders) should come with a warning on their foreheads, "May be hazardous to your health."
- Paul sees possible futures. It's like being on an ocean, on the crest of a wave, you can see the direction of land if its close and you can direct the boat in that direction. When you are in the trough of the waves, you cannot see anything, and you hope you are going in the right direction. The prescience Paul has now is imperfect...don't try to theorize what will happen with Chani (Zendaya), Jessica, Stilgar, or other characters or events...you will be amazed. I will say that it deviates from the source material, but it still works well. Paul in the novel is 15, and ages to 17, almost 18. While Timothee Chalamet is in his 20s, he looks like a 15 year old kid...which works wonderfully for the character.
- The symbolism and imagery are in keeping with the novel. The mouse, in particular, is important. While he was working to become a full-time novelist, Frank Herbert was heavily influenced by the works of Carl Jung, the collective unconscious, and archetypes. He was also influenced by some psychotropic mushrooms, which was how spice was created. In the novel spice is called Melange, and looks and smells like finely ground cinnamon. The dark sludge that the Baron is in...its a whole lot of spice, because of the healing properties.
- Frank Herbert would sometimes joke that he could sue George Lucas, because there are about 16 points of possible contention between Dune and Star Wars, things that Lucas put in Star Wars that Herbert created in Dune. He never did. George Lucas has also said he never copied anything from Dune. Now, whether he read the novel, which was published in 1965, and won the two most prestigious awards in sci-fi (The Nebula and The Hugo Awards), is still up in the air. I do have a theory, though... In the mid-1970s, a Chilean surrealist director named Alejandro Jodorowsy (El Topo, The Holy Mountain) attempted to make a film of Dune, and enlisted a whole lot of people to help him visualize what would be in the film, and began casting as well. He and his team created a huge book of concept art, storyboards, and the screenplay together for all of the studios to help drum up financing. It is possible that Lucas got a peek at one copy of these books (only a few are still known to exist, one is still in Jodorowsky's possession). The point is, the team that was brought together influenced sci-fi films for DECADES...and many images have appeared in hugely successful films (Alien) as well as cult classics (Masters of the Universe), and everything in between. Even in recent sci-fi films. The documentary Jodorowsky's Dune is a really cool film about this version that was never made.
Dennis really did an amazing job with the production team on slicing that monster of an book into a digestible movie.
Yep. I didn't think it was possible to turn it into such an accessible sci fi film, but Denis really did a fantastic job. Especially in part 2
55:10 Paul "dies", because now he is a fremen... and the visions are fragments of possible futures, but his decisions can change the visions...
He doesn't die and become a Fremen after the fight with Jamis. That scene is foreshadowing for the next movie. That was just one of those visions that changed. Since he's not awaken as Lisan Al'Gaib yet, the visions aren't clear. He has to really die for Kwisatz Haderach to rise, It just wasn't there versus Jamis like he had seen. Besides, Paul only becomes a Fremen later in the second movie...
@@sugrless Not quite correct. Paul the boy dies when: " "When you take a life, you take your own." So in a way, he they boy, died in that moment, after Jamis "taught" him the way of the desert. The lesson being; how brutal life is in the desert.
Vlademir actor is the guy who plays Bootstrap Bill Turner in Pirates of the Caribbean
And the professor in the Thor movies, and the egotistical professor in Good Will Hunting, and the Saxon chief in King Arthur, and many more.
@@darkglass1 I said that because they recently watched the POTC films. Knowing them they probably haven't seen the others
@@camchill20 Yes, I understand that. I am filling in additional roles for their benefit. Why so quick to take offense and assume I'm critiquing you? I did a reply versus a standalone comment because yours is more likely to be read by them.
Stellan Skarsgård is a brilliant actor. His range of characters throughout his movies are outstanding.
@@darkglass1ngl I think you might be taking offrnse. I think he was fine lol just explaining why he left his other roles out.
Never seen anyone catch Yuehs hesitation except Pudgey
This was directed by Denis Villeneuve. He's one of the best working directors out there. If you're craving more sci fi he also made amazing movies like Arrival and Blade Runner 2049 (a sequel to Blade runner). He's also made a bunch of other great movies I think you two would enjoy like Prisoners and Sicario.
Suggested edit: *** best directors out there***.
"Cousin" is a reference to Medieval European nobles reference to their peers (because more often than not, they were cousins). In Duke and Baron's case it's also Baron's attempt to berate the Duke. Atreides is a noble house with perfect reputation and ancient ancestors up to Trojan War's Agamemnon, son of Atreus (hence, House Atreides - 'House of the Son of Atreus'). This is why Atreides' burial site looks like Ancient Greeks' -- sarcophagae all around the field. Harkonnens are nouveau riche, with history of exile after betrayal of the Emperor's Dynasty, subsequent exile and agreeing to doing Emperor's dirty work in exchange for return from exile.
His vision didn't explicitly depict him being stabbed. It was only flashes of someone handing him a blade and then that blade soaked in blood. He described it seeing his own death, "but not". And that's what happened. Paul Atreides (the boy) died when he took the life of Jamis, and the Lisan al gahib(the man) was born. Jamis DID teach him the ways of the desert, just not in the way that Paul and we(the audience) were expecting.
The visions are possible futures. They are both true and untrue. It's not quite different dimensions but different possibilities. His true power is to be able to see posibilities.
It's refreshing to see reactions from people new to sci-fi as a genre. You're not influenced by genre tropes (Star Wars, Star Trek, etc) which allows you to see more of what the writing, direction, and cinematography is intending. You all picked up on so much connection and nuance that many fans of the genre missed. The juxtaposition of the parental scenes, Paul hiding 'like the little desert mouse', and the non-literal, mixed past and future, aspects of Paul's visions.
It's true that DUNE was one of the original scifi epics but it still stands as unique as it's written primarily as a medieval political epic (like Game of Thrones) but with technology and space travel. A key distinction of the DUNE universe is that the most advanced 'technology' are the people themselves and their mental/psychic abilities. Notice how there are no computers, robots, or AI like most scifi universes. In DUNE, the human mind, aided by evolution and the hallucinogenic Spice, can do everything advanced computing can do - and so much more.
If you loved this first installment, which is mostly world building, you'll LOVE the second one. That's where the complicated message of the series really comes in.
I don't typically comment on reactions but you two had one of THEE BEST reactions to this first film that I've seen. I really enjoyed watching you get sucked into the world of Dune. 🤔
Timothée Chalamet absolutely KILLS IT in the role of Paul Atreides! (Can't day I'm surprised though, he absolutely KILLS IT in every role he plays.) 💜
Timothee is more than adequate in the role of Paul. He is quite good.
He does not shine until the last half of the second movie after he Drinks.
Then, he is Paul Atreides and the Lisan al Gaib. And he could waken a stone to fight for him through the sheer will power of his voice.
@@highlander31527 pretty consistent with the book i would say
Thinking about how Paul said "What if I am not the future of house Atreides?" and what happens in the second movie just gave me massive goosebumps. What a story!
When Paul is kneeling at the Carry All and says "I recognize your footsteps old man" it might also refer to the approaching worm (one translation of Shai Hulud is "old man of the desert").
The book calls them time strains. He has lived with the people in the desert and learned their ways by choosing one path "and he shall know your ways". And he has lived many other shorter paths that lead to his death. But his mind lives beyond time and space. Which was the whole point of the Bene Gesserit testing him.
The reason Duncan yelled was to get the Sardaukar to stop using the lasgun (the laser they were drilling the door with).
Lasguns go far and deep. They couldn’t make it to the secret dar while it was on and it would be easy for them to get through one the door was breached.
The other reason is that lasguns and the shields have a bad feedback effect. If a lasgun hits a shield, it will cause a nuclear explosion at the site. Its why the Sardaukar didn’t just use it on Duncan while fighting him.
Nice reaction - I think the visions here are like riddles; Jamis does teach Paul thru the results of his actions; the voice says Paul dies when he takes a life, so this is a threshold he crossed, etc - Frank Herbert wrote 6 books; I think the first 4 show his full vision - Dune is a definitive sci fi work like LOTR is definitive fantasy - Herbert is using an ecological, systems-based logic to explore deep historical and civilizational forces, and the phenomenon of religion - using science to breed a messiah, or a philosopher-king a la Plato
- it's also, as you can see, critiquing modern colonialism and geo-politics - another factoid you may have noticed: House Atriedes is the House of Atreus - and Paul is directly descended from Agamemnon, who invaded Troy, to retrieve Helen, wife of his brother Menelaus, King of Sparta - so Paul is directly tied to Sparta - and Herbert plays here on the premise that the House of Atreus is cursed, as we saw in the Oresteia
- re the films, Dune 1 and 2 comprise the first monumental book, and Villeneuve has plans to do Dune 3, based on the second book, Dune Messiah, to round out Paul's story - IMO we're lucky such big budget films are in the hands of someone so invested in the books and their ideas - there's a surprisingly delicate, contemplative touch amid the spectacle
If only Spartan knew how intensely he would be obsessed with Star Wars...
After Part 2, please continue with Denis' filmography! Every single one is incredible.
I didn't see them catch this but Vladimir Barons actor is William Turners dad from Pirates of the Caribbean
"Who will next oppressors be?"...
6:38 It was distorted, but to me it always sounded like a woman's voice, for "many reasons"
18:00 Good catch between difference with father and mother. And yes, Paul sees variations of the future, but the "messages" are not clear-cut, and certainly up for interpretation.
Although, I wouldn't say "great purpose" about being Lisan al Gaib, more of a burden forced upon Paul.
26:20 He might as well be The One, or just the one who watched documentaries and studied their customs like shown before. Depends on how you interpret it.
37:50 There are cousins
You're reading all the visions literally, and you have to see them symbolically and figuratively. They do all come true - Jamis was a friend who would teach him the ways of the desert in the vision. He did, just not in the way you'd expect. The voice says Paul must die so that the Kwisatz Haderach can be born - it doesn't mean a literal death, just the death of his old persona.
I watched Dune for the first time a few weeks ago and I loved it. I really like that it's sci-fi that's not afraid to be really weird and out there. The score, the atmosphere and the environments are all just a little bit off and uncanny, and it's amazing.
21:43, this is a tough conversation for Duke Leto to have with Thufir. He is the Master of Assassin's and spies for House Atreides. It's his job to always be on the lookout for schemes and plots against Leto. He has faithfully served in that position since the time of Leto's father Paulus Atreides.
If Leto was Batman then Thufir would be his Alfred Pennyworth. Leto's father was killed in conspiracy involving Leto's own mother when he was barely older than Paul . So within the space of a few days Leto became the Duke of Caladan and then an orphan. Were it not for the wise counsel of Thufir Hawat, House Atriedes would have folded shortly thereafter.
Over the years Thufir became Leto's most trusted advisor and an almost surrogate father to him. Thufir is also a grandfather figure to young Paul. That's why when Paul ran to hug Thufir it was so childlike. He has know this cuddly old man his entire life.
One subplot from the books that isn't covered in the movie is that Paul has the potential to become a Mentat (i.e. human supercomputer) just like Thufir. But they never got the time to truly begin his training. In the first book, Paul had only been told of his potential abilities before the Atreides left Caladan.
This us a cautionary tale about putting your faith and life under the control of a charismatic leader. Frank Herbert used to say, "power doesn't corrupt, it attracts the corruptible."
Paul was in training, fron a very young age, to be a Mentat like Thufir. A human with the mind greater than any computer. And Paul was taught the ways of the Bene Gesserit, where every muscle and body function is controllable.
Paul's "super power" is seeing all the possibilities in any given moment. Paul is just choosing the path that leads to his survival and not towards The Golden Path because that is a path he is too afraid to follow through with.
Star wars is def not sci fi. Its fantasy in space
Is he too afraid or just not even aware of what he could do? As someone who hasn't read the books, I feel a lot of detail has been left out of the films when it comes to explaining the greater overarching ideas.
@@darkphoenix2 it is quite impossible to fit everything in the books into these films. Villenueve has done a masterful job adapting a hard to adapt story as many of us book readers and viewers of the older adaptations will attest. This gets delved into more in Part 2 and the eventually Part 3.
No one ever mentions how random it is that singer Benjamin Clementine is in the movie (though his big part was Perfectly cast!) It’s as if Dennis V just liked his face so he called him in to do the part to complete the aesthetic
In Greek mythology, 'Atreides' means 'sons of Atreus'. Atreus was father of Agamemnon and Menelaus, so by that logic Agamemnon was an Atreides. In the Dune books, it is mentioned that House Atreides counts Agamemnon as their ancestor. In the expanded Dune universe, Agamemnon was the name of one of the cyborgs that produced the Atreides line from his own DNA.
Interestingly, In the God of War games, Kratos' son is also named Atreus, so if he ever had sons, they could be called Atreides. I hope the game developers don't go down that route.
Just wait until you see part two, the arena scene is just spine chilling!
the sietch speech as well
I think Paul’s visions are metaphors & not literal. Paul did die from the boy he was to become the man to fulfill the prophecy “when you take a life you take your own”. Jamis in his death did teach him their ways. Just not in the way we thought.
Great reaction! You guys actually pay attention. So many people don’t & miss the subtleties that help to understand the plot. I think that’s why the first one had some criticism.
I agree wholeheartedly it was fantastic & set the stage for the rest of the story. Truly world building for the audience.
Can’t wait for pt2!!!
Many sci-fi and fantasy authors deliberately write their stories so that the reader (or viewer) doesn't know or understand what's going on. Part of the experience--which many of us quite enjoy--is to figure things out bit by bit, as the story progresses. Such stories are sort of like "who done it" mystery novels.
I love the scene with the Reverend Mother's test - the way the power shifted was awesome - and Charlotte Rampling was amazing - even through that veil you could see the tinge of fear.
Paul is 15 years old in the first book and his physical description and features are spot on with Timothé…
the scene between jessica and paul rlly is emotional because he's a 15 year old boy with all of this shit going on. I'd be freaking out too. Lot of responsibility and power in the hands of a teenager. It's not really touched on in the movie, but Paul had no friends his age, so all of his friends were people older than him and apart of house Atreides. Gurney and Duncan were the best fighters out there, plus Thufir (the fat guy) is a mentat (which is basically like a human computer), and his mother is Bene Gessereit and is teaching him the weirding way and how to use the voice (Bene Gessereit were also known for their amazing fighting abilities. Better than Sardaukar), AND he can control his body very precisely. All of that combined made Paul the best fighter in the galaxy, even better than the Fremen. Also, remember that in this movie his visions aren't clear. He has to try to put 2 and 2 together to make sense of them, so when you guys saw the vision of Paul, that was just a possible future.
38:02 to give context, in the book, Yueh’s wife was a bene gesserit. She was captured by the Harkonnens so they could force Yueh to work for them. But his wife taught him a bit of truth sense. He needed a reason to get close to the Baron so he could confirm she was dead. Then Leto could kill the Baron when the time came. Now sadly while Leto was able to deal a major blow in killing the Baron’s mentat (a human supercomputer generalist identified by the lower lip tattoo)
You guys' review is one of the best I've seen. Very insightful, very thoughtful, not full of cringey comparisons to other movies etc. You are gonna LOVE part 2. Get it up soon please!
The reason Duncan screamed in my headcanon before he attacked again is "Fear is the mind killer" he scared tf out of those Sardukaur
For those that want more Dune, you can look up the Sci-Fi Channel Mini-series starring William Hurt (RIP) as Duke Leto. It's a very different style than the movies, no spoilers, but people have seemed to have almost forgotten it, although they will sometimes check out the 1984 movie.
I like the 2000 mini series best. The acting and story is better.
You probably haven't read the books and so you may have missed something about Lady Jessica and her son Paul. Lady Jessica is a Bene Gesserit, an order of only women who uses the spice to enhance their abilities, who is able to take care of their body and control some bodily functions such as the gestation of the newborn, managing to choose its sex. The Bene Gesserit Reverend Mothers have the power to see the past of every Reverend Mother who preceded them and also have a minimum of foresight and for this reason they are often used as advisors by the Great Houses and by the Emperor himself. For millennia the Bene Gesserit have manipulated the genetic lines of various houses to create the Kwisatz Haderach, a male individual who possesses the power of the Bene Gesserit, but who can perceive the past of even males and has enormous foresight abilities. Shortly before the start of the Dune saga, the Bene Gesserit knew that they were a few steps away from the birth of the Kwisatz Haderach and according to their plans, Lady Jessica was to become the concubine of Duke Leto Atreides, giving him a daughter. This daughter would later end up married to the heir of the Harkonnen family, Feyd-Rautha Harkonnen and from their union a son would be born, the Kwisatz Haderach. But the Bene Gesserit had not calculated the unknown of love. Lady Jessica had fallen deeply in love with Duke Leto Atreides and when she had given him a son, she had sensed his desire for a son and she had granted him, betraying her orders and producing the Kwisatz Haderach with a generation of advance. You will discover the reason why he was born a generation early in the second film when it is revealed who Lady Jessica's father is.
“It sounds like a Greek mythological name” Yupp! That was very intentional. The Atreides are said to be the direct but very distant descendants of Agamemnon, a Greek mythological king of Mycenae.
The book Dune is a beast. The fact that Denis Villeneuve was able to make a movie that is close to the book is incredible even in two parts. Although a ton of info was included in these movies there is still a lot that you can get from the books. These two movies, part 1 and 2, are just the first book of 6. There was an attempt in 1984 to make Dune and although it wasn’t horrible it was not very true to the books. I read these books in my 20’s and for me, in the beginning, it was kind of like getting through Shakespear but once I learned all the lingo it was smooth sailing through all 6 books. I even read some of the books Frank Herbert’s son wrote about the Dune world. I enjoyed your reaction.
They say that Star Wars ripped off Dune, but let's talk about GAME OF THRONES!
Eddard inspired by Leto
Jon inspired by Paul
Lannisters looosely Harkonnen
The plot is very similar, being lured to an alien and vulnerable place and suddenly betrayed and killed off, etc. Having to hide, etc.
Wildlings inspired by Fremen
Lots of little things. The idea of competing houses, of course. There are tons of things, especially from the first book / first season of GOT.
Paul was vivisected and passed around most of the Stark kids. Connections can be made to Jon, Robb, and Bran pretty easily.
You can see different parts from Paul's story/character especially in Daenerys/Jon/Bran. That's why Dune is a pretty straight forward story compared to GoT. GoT splits the stories into several different characters so it takes a lot more books to cover the same plot points. And of course ultimately it makes for a very different story.
boltons also have similarity to harkonens
I'm sorry, but that's just like general plot characteristics of loads of movies/books. Lannisters loosely Harkonnen? It's not like Frank Herbert invented evil families, I mean..
As for the rest, GoT has bunch of 'main' characters, of course some were bound to be relatively similar to characters in other books. All of the characters you named, Leto, Paul, it's pretty basic storytelling, they're like the blueprint, and not the one Frank invented.
@@ninadavidovic9644 you might explain away one or two similarities as coincidences, if that is all that there was. But there is a long laundry list of similarities between GoT and Dune. Copying my list from the other comment chain:
House Atreides -> House Stark
House Harkonnen -> House Lannister
House Corrino -> House Targaryen (well Corrino shares elements with both Lannister and Targaryen, for example the Corrino sigil being a lion same as Lannister)
Leto Atreides -> Eddard Stark (GRRM has specifically cited Leto as the “model” for Ned)
Both get ordered/asked by the Emperor/King to move “south” to a warmer climate (Arrakis/King’s Landing) to take a position of power, and of course it leads to their early death and the remains of their house is left to deal with the aftermath and the war to come, kicking off the plot.
Lady Jessica -> Catelyn Stark
Paul Atreides -> Daenerys/Jon Snow/Bran Stark (spoilers for Dune Part 2 to go more into details at this point obviously, but there is a lot to unpack here)
The politics/Great Houses in Dune -> the politics/Great Houses in GoT
Emperor on the Lion Throne -> King on the Iron Throne
Fremen -> Free Folk/Wildlings & Dothraki (see how Paul’s journey with the Fremen is similar to Daenerys/Dothraki and Jon/Free Folk)
Sardaukar -> Unsullied (House Corrino came into power by controlling the Sardaukar, Daenerys comes into power by controlling the Unsullied, Dothraki and dragons)
Also previously the Targaryens claimed the throne by controlling the dragons, hence the similarity to House Corrino.
Sandworms/spice -> Dragons (controlling sandworms/spice is the key to power, similar to dragons being the key to power in GoT)
Spacing Guild -> Iron Bank
Face Dancers -> Faceless Men
Mentats -> Maesters
Prophecies in Dune -> Prophecies in GoT (not just some magical prophecies but prophecies planted and used to manipulate people)
Bene Gesserit -> Red Priests/Priestesses (Bene Gesserit are waiting for Kwisatz Haderach, Red Priests for Azor Ahai.)
Reverend Mother Gaius Helen Mohiam advicing/manipulating the Emperor -> Melisandre advicing/manipulating Stannis Baratheon.
Stuff more clear in the books:
Alia -> Arya (the dark sister)
Leto II Atreides -> Bran Stark
Piter de Vries -> Petyr Baelish (political schemers serving the houses)
Baron Vladimir Harkonnen -> Illyrio Mopatis
These are just some bullet points, but there’s a lot more detail to go into it and explain why we think these things are so similar, when you do a deeper analysis.
AND OF COURSE. While a lot of characters/elements are similar, and for sure there is some direct influence (as GRRM has admitted) one can’t also ignore the fact that yes both stories are also influenced by the same much older stories and myths that share some of the same elements.
GoT or ASOIAF (like Star Wars) is a mix of influences from a myriad of sources (including LOTR and real history), not just one source, but it is easy to see some specific influences from or simply similarities if you will to Dune.
Spice grants the ability to see the future. It is used in the space travel by the navigators seeing all future paths of the ship and picking the the path that doesn't fly through a star, planet etc - thats why its essential for space travel. Paul - because of his breeding is particularly sensitive to spice. In this film, Paul is seeing "possible" futures not "The" future - he is only just starting to realise that not only are these dreams and visions prophetic, but are only possible outcomes and different paths might be taken.
Paul's visions show possible futures, but there are points in time that Paul cannot see past. The fight with Jamis was one of these points. There are too many variables in the fight which creates a blind spot. He sees the fight. He sees a hand holding a bloody knife, but he does not know if it is his hand or if it is his blood on the knife. Another nexus occurs at the end of the second movie.
Paul's prescience also shows him many futures where the Fremen go on a galactic jihad in the Atreides name. This is the opposite of what Paul and the Atreides stand for. The Emperor's Sardukar are the most dangerous fighters in the universe until they meet the Fremen. No one can stand against the Fremen and billions will die if this happens. Paul desperately wants to avoid this, but he doesn't know if it is possible.
It's cool you're saying Part 1 and 2 close to each other. Part 1 takes the time to set up our characters and dynamics, and Part 2 things really start to cook.
Please do a reaction to Part two! I just watched both of them again on the same day, AMAZING how well these two parts, and of course part two was done. You get EVERYTHING as "outworlders", without have knowing the lore or backstories. Tells me how amazingly well done this story is being told. Part one is amazing, part two is a Master Lession in story telling and film making.
Hello. 👋 (sorry for my bad english, this is not my native language) It's funny, I've never been interested in tv show/movie reaction's videos until Dune part 1 and 2. These last weeks I probably watched almost all of them, or at least the beginning of every video because sometimes people don't even react or they just react 25 minutes with an awful editing. Low effort Patreon bait...
IMO you two are among the best reaction youtubers. I like the fact you kept a lot of important parts of the movie, it's generous, it shows a significant view of your perspective and I think this is the best way to actually make people want to see more of your content.
You're paying attention to the sound design, etc. You're actually trying to understand what's going on. But don't try too hard like during the review. Remember Paul's mom and Jamis : "Careful." "We must move with the flow of the process.". Be careful and just flow with it until Part 2. 👀 (but maybe you already watched Part 2 ?)
I didn't read the first Dune book yet and I just know a few things about Frank Herbert's inspirations from our history/mythology/religions/etc. I don't know anything about mythology, it was so cool to learn from you that the Atredies House name is a reference to a mythical greek king.
I think I'll sub to your Patreon next month. Watching you two discovering the Dune universe was a wonderful experience. I can't wait for your Dune part 2 reaction video ! Small suggestion: if you don't have an incredible memory, watch Dune part 1 again before watching part 2. 👀 I'm pretty sure you'll love it and end up like the rest of us, frustrated by the fact we're going to wait for years before seeing the third movie, which will be the adaptation of the second Dune book.
First read Dune in high school around 1978, these 2 movies have done a great job
They're not visions. It's timelines he has lived. As explained by his mother. A mind that spans space and time.
exactly
Another great reaction! So glad y'all enjoyed part one, and both of you are going to enjoy part two probably even more. Can't wait to see it! ♥
That single line of Atreides soldiers, most of them in their pyjamas, on top of the stairs will always have my respect.
Took out at least 3-4 lines of Harkonnen troops before being jumped by Sardaukar
Paul always has memories of the future, whether that future manifests in reality or not. So in a way, Jamis does teach Paul… because Paul remembers one possible future. 😀
This film (and Dune Part Two) are brilliant. And while there are so many positive things I can say about them that have been said before, I have to acknowledge the cleverness in how they bring destruction and tragedy to the screen without the gore. Yes, you can see blood. But the bloodlust and insane gore of so many movies today is completely absent from these films, yet they are utterly, dramatically gripping. This is masterful filmaking.
35:36, Duncan is a legendary swordsman in his own time. So the Harkonnens knew not to try and run up on him.
Duncan has been with House Atreides since he was a child. He worked as a stable boy tending to the bulls that old Duke Paulus used to fight in the arena. After Paulus's death, Leto outlawed bullfighting on Caladan.
It was Duncan's testimony that helped Leto and Thufir uncover the conspiracy that killed Paulus. With no bulls to tend young Duncan was without a trade so Leto took him on as his ward and surrogate little brother. Eventually Duncan became a soldier in the Atreides Army. When his great skills with a sword were discovered, Leto sent Duncan to the Ginaz School for Swordmasters were his skills were honed to an even higher level.
When Paul was born, Duncan became the older brother and confidant to him that we see here.
Haha! Loved that you threw in the 'Jonathan Frakes Tells You Things' bit... Amazing!
Not to give anything away, but an important point is that every major house, including the Emperor, thinks there are something like 50,000 Fremen on the whole planet. They are just a handful of “savages” whose presence can be ignored. Duncan learns there must be millions on the planet.
For (real) sci-fi try The Expanse! Really enjoy your channel.
Another banger from my favourite couple! Can't wait for part 2.
Love you guys
Jamis was supposed to be Paul's teacher and in a way he was. He taught Paul the way of the desert, a very hostile environment where survival is very difficult. When Paul killed Jamis part of him died. The boy dies so the man can be born. You guys will love part 2.
I don't understand why people don't get that Jamis WAS guiding Paul... Teaching him the Fremen way.
yeah sure. non-fans first and only interactions and you expect them to catch all the details
How would you get that, only watching the movie? I saw that movie 6 times, it never was really shown that Jamis is a guide. He is just angry and gets killed, the end.
@@Muerinho he is in paul's vision teaching him the way of the fremen. so when he kills jamis, its like he knew him all along and learned from him, then jamis teaches him the way of the knife. " I knew Jamis"
The ways of the desert - and the Amtal share the same lesson. Survival - as Stilgar said there is no yielding and only death is the test of the Amtal. Even if you have no prior knowledge of lore the movie spells it out pretty clearly.
Liked this reaction very much. While a couple of details and lore may have eluded you, you intuitively grasped the grander schemes and and meaning. I liked that Pudgey noticed that Paul is compassionate and even holds Jamis hand at the end (no other reactor noticed that).
Dune is all about the power and potential of the human mind. To control one self (the mentats and the Bene Gesserit)To adapt to the harshest of environments (the Fremen) and also about the intricacies of ecology. The political commentary is also important but I find the former themes much more fascinating and relevant for Frank Herbert, the author.
THE SPICE MUST FLOW 🙌🔥🍻 8:09 of course Spartan knew the calls of his bannermen 😂
the actor playing Jamis is Babs Olusanmokun. he’s Dr. M’Benga in another sci-fi dynasty, Star Trek (Strange New Worlds). he’s also very highly trained and accomplished in Jiu-Jitsu.
Shields are why everyone fights with swords. Shields prevent simple projectile weapons from being useful. Shai hulud is the not their god, but a sacred animal that represents the eternity of the desert. Lots of the books and this movie is rooted in real world myths and religions.
Duncan is the most badass character I’ve seen in a movie
If you are confused about the visions. Paul is seeing every possible future so when Chani kills him it’s one possible future. Janis teaching him the ways of the desert is another future where he didn’t challenge him. That’s what every vision is….
Most modern sci-fi is inspired by Dune and Foundation. I'm happy to see this adapted well.
10:21, Duke Leto leads with his heart and that binds his troops and admirers to him. With the exception of Yueh, all of Leto's inner circle (i.e. Duncan, Gurney and Thufir) would willingly give their lives for him and House Atreides. They are not simply his bannermen and vassals they are family.
It was Leto's strength of will tempered with compassion that made Jessica fall in love with Leto and act against her Bene Gesserit orders. The Duke was probably the first time she ever saw a person who could be strong, driven but also loving and kind.
Like many things in life what binds some to him makes his rivals despise him.
Finally though young Paul appears to not be paying attention, he truly is absorbing the kind of man his father is. There are lines that Paul says in Part 2 can you right away can see his father Leto's influence.
I am glad you two are so invested in the Dune's world. Really looking forward to your reaction to Dune part 2!
I've always thought Paul saw many possible futures, then tried to navigate them.
So glad you both loved this!! Now imagine part 2 but soooo much better!! 😂😂
At this stage of Paul's visions, he has the ability to see glimpses of the future. I like the analogy of holding sand in your hands and see grains of the future. When you look closer and observe, the sand shifts and falls through your fingers, so does the future change
Paul doesn't see what WILL happen, but what CAN happen.
Spartan picking up that the Hunter Seeker has a Gom Jabbar is pretty insightful
The actor who plays the Baron also played Will’s father Bootstrap Bill Turner in the Pirates of the Caribbean trilogy!
Stilgar (the Fremen leader here) is also Captain Salazar in Dead Men Tell No Tales.
Also the scientist friend in Thor, Thor 2, Avengers etc
And the professor in my favorite movie “Good Will Hunting”