Norseman Spear vs Maille Armor

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  • Опубліковано 18 вер 2024
  • In this post we look at our Norseman Spear and how such a piece would interact with Maille Armor. The norseman Spear is an excellent example of the Type M Nordic combat Spears of Peterson's Typology. It is a design of spear that is seen across a wide breadth of historic cultures from Ancient times to the Renaissance.
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  • @vernonbrana8205
    @vernonbrana8205 3 роки тому +15

    "In order to make sure it won't fall over, I put this CANNON on the back..." You don't hear that every day. lol

    • @AggelosKyriou
      @AggelosKyriou 3 роки тому +3

      'Cause one must use what one has. And don't we all have a cannon in our garage?

  • @Perrin-the-Fletcher
    @Perrin-the-Fletcher Рік тому +5

    “I put this cannon on the back, to weigh it down, because you just use what you have laying about.”

  • @bruisedhelmet8819
    @bruisedhelmet8819 3 роки тому +5

    I love how Doc Clough instructs how to take down an armored opponent.... and then demonstrates. Again, critical information we should all have.... along with that spear. And along with that maille!

  • @b.h.abbott-motley2427
    @b.h.abbott-motley2427 3 роки тому +7

    Great test! I'm happy to see mail armor plus thick padding holding up so well, as lots & lots of historical sources describe. I do wonder how a narrower point would manage, like from some pollaxes. Other tests against mail have had that penetrating easily, like Michael Edelson's 2007 test of mail by Julio Junco Funes (which admittedly used much thinner padding).

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  3 роки тому +5

      Stay tuned we plan to add some data points vs mail along the way.

  • @ringo7499
    @ringo7499 3 роки тому +6

    Nice. I figured armor would hold up a lot better when the thing it is attached to has the right amount of give to it.

  • @invictusimmortal
    @invictusimmortal 3 роки тому +2

    I own one of these and love it. Great content, really enjoyed the commentary on how it could be used against an opponent wearing maille.

  • @thebelfastvikingmartinbrow3603

    I know it's been a year but some time ago. We got a old pig. A bit of mail and a thick wool blanket foiled it in two. And my wing spear. We found that if the pig was on the ground. A foot on the wing and a push helped the point go in a good way. We pushed the spear in from standing knocked the pig over and then followed up with the stamp on the wing. Of course axes thrown spears and all was tried out on the pig just for fun

  • @thehopperhopes6365
    @thehopperhopes6365 3 роки тому +4

    Your final point of trauma caused by broken ribs and bones as these can also impact vitals such as lungs and major blood vessels.

  • @BrunoDeMarques
    @BrunoDeMarques 3 місяці тому +1

    That mail is unusually resilient …
    If it was like that, there’s was no way, even leaning into it, that a sword (even diamond section) or a dagger (even triangle section) would go in :-)
    And these would go in, quite easily and quickly

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  3 місяці тому +1

      Thats what we thought but the mail testing has shown far less penetration than we thought in active testing, ie in motion and combat situations. Its quite different than a set up hard target test.

  • @zenhydra
    @zenhydra 3 роки тому +5

    I'm curious about how a narrower spear like the one found at the Birka, Sweden excavation might faire against maille in a comparable test. Obviously, a more needle/bodkin like spearhead is sacrificing the structural reinforcement of a more robust construction, but are the results versus armor worth the increased risk of catastrophic failure?

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  3 роки тому +2

      Excellent observation and illustrates the dynamic in weapon vs armor over the ages. Spear form and cross section would come into play as well as the size of wire and ring on the mail. The eternal adjustment of defensive material vs the offensive object is what keep armorers employed :-)

  • @markcannon8522
    @markcannon8522 2 роки тому +5

    I have come to trust arms and armor

  • @phillip0537
    @phillip0537 3 роки тому +3

    I've seen it argued that Viking and Norman era knights wrote minimal padding under their maille, or even no padding at all--merely a tunic. It would be interesting to see this test with lighter padding than the 24 layers, or even just a heavy tunic analogue to see how it would have tried if this view were accurate. Great test though!

  • @Finnv893
    @Finnv893 3 роки тому +3

    Obviously a professional spearman would possess highly developed muscle groups that are responsible for that motion, and the coordination for tip-shaft alignment kind of like edge alignment for cutting blades; they could not only thrust hard, but also straight and fast, all force multipliers imo.

  • @twogungunnar9456
    @twogungunnar9456 2 роки тому +1

    There's bunch of stuff I like about this. The spear is awesome, and I want one. It looks like you used good quality mail. I liked the point about how the spear sticks into the target, and the ultimate point about how mail is good and it works. I thought of something though...most of the time the spear was used with a shield, meaning most of the time thrusts would be delivered with one hand. It would've been neat to see tests against the mail while using the spear with a shield.

  • @fettmaneiii4439
    @fettmaneiii4439 3 роки тому +4

    one does not simply stop someone lol! what an awesome spear though. does the end of the shaft taper thinner like originals? i didnt see

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  3 роки тому +1

      not as a standard order but we could taper it for a small up charge.

  • @huntercampbell4220
    @huntercampbell4220 2 роки тому +1

    What I was taught is just use a blunt impact weapon against foes in chain mail

  • @mdstmouse7
    @mdstmouse7 3 роки тому +4

    nice test. when do i see the cannon fire?

  • @kkolxasram
    @kkolxasram Рік тому +2

    Why are you ruining the punching bag?!!!

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  Рік тому +4

      It was an alley find and figured it would work well as a target

  • @MrBottlecapBill
    @MrBottlecapBill Рік тому +2

    Decent video. My only complaint is the push thrust type of technique you're using. I'd like to see that spear moving faster from spear range as it should be used. A slow stab from a foot away isn't building up any speed which means low force.

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  Рік тому +1

      We tried it several different ways and had some folks who felt we didn't hit hard enough try and they all had same result. We may revisit this again for folks.

  • @raphlvlogs271
    @raphlvlogs271 3 роки тому +2

    were there pike sized versions of this type of spear?

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  3 роки тому +4

      In most cultures you will find a variety of spear sizes and shapes. The nordic cultures where no different and they may well have had heads with specific anti-maile shaping. But then one needs to consider how often where these weapons coming up against maile. it can get very circular in the what was done when discussions.

  • @HobieH3
    @HobieH3 Рік тому +2

    Calle it what you wille..

  • @tylerreed610
    @tylerreed610 3 роки тому +4

    That would suck so much to be hit with that even if it didn't kill you

    • @Specter_1125
      @Specter_1125 Рік тому +1

      In the moment, most of these hits would be annoying more than anything considering they only went through a small amount. People today have gotten much worse bullet wounds and not noticed since adrenaline keeps you going fairly well.

    • @tylerreed610
      @tylerreed610 Рік тому +1

      @dyland.7892 the difference is, the armor catches the point, and doesn't really disperse the force of the 200lbs dude throwing you to the ground

  • @kkolxasram
    @kkolxasram Рік тому

    It just struck me. This is not a good replication of the real thing. Not because the chin mail is of poor quality, but because of the set up. The set up is absorbing the impact slowly thereby reducing the force of the spear on the chain mail. If this was a full body chain mail on a human, it would offer much more resistance and the spear would tear through the rings and go well in to the body behind.
    So just to recap. This set up is acting as a shock absorber and reducing the force of the impact a lot.

    • @armsarmorinc.4153
      @armsarmorinc.4153  Рік тому +1

      We have not found that to be the case. We plan to do some more demos along these lines to show this.

  • @majungasaurusaaaa
    @majungasaurusaaaa 9 днів тому

    Please don't compare modern junk with historical maille.