Testing Tesla FSD V12 ASSERTIVE Drive Settings!
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Pushing the Right Scroll wheel Left or Right will instantly allow you to change Chill, Average or Assertive.
My default is chill which is always displayed on the top of screen, even if I use the scroll wheel to change it.
@@willyag2529the mode at the top of the screen is acceleration mode. The scroll wheel affects FSD mode. It is unfortunate they used the same words for two different things.
@@BitJam Thanks, that takes care of another bit of confusion I have had about the Tesla.
@@willyag2529 If it's on top of the screen, it's your acceleration mode, not FSD mode.
Another great feature on the scroll wheel is 'minimal lane change'. If you have some range anxiety on the highway, you can now draft in FSD behind a truck by setting the mode and minimal and it will stay put. The difference is getting home with 2% of maybe 7% battery.
This morning I did an 80 mile fsd drive and I forgot my sunglasses. It was nagging me constantly to touch the steering wheel. I think it nags way less when you're wearing sunglasses.
To be fair, I don't wear sunglasses and I have noticed that when I watch the road and don't look over at the tablet/etc, I barely get nagged at all. With how little I get nagged, it makes me wonder what you guys are doing to get "constantly" nagged. (Unless people I see saying this really aren't getting nagged that often and they're just exaggerating. I get that it's annoying but it's easy to acknowledge with a scroll wheel.)
They have to be sure you're paying attention, it can't see if you're wearing glasses
My biggest problem with FSD 12.3.6 is speeding with 30mph limits it mostly drives 30% or more above the speed limit. Cops in my home area streets will give you a ticket if you drive 20% over the speed limit, let alone 30% or more above it.
I never think of it in percentages but I agree. It's annoying to me that the setting in autopilot is only for warnings and not telling the car its limits on speeding. I set it to a 5MPH offset and was disappointed to learn that it wasn't limiting the car.
Great comparison vid! What’s weird to me is that FSD tends to be much slower at handling 4 way stops (or really any stops) when there is no traffic. Handles it better when there IS traffic. I routinely press the accelerator at stops when there is no traffic because it takes SO long to decide to go. Does anyone else have this behavior?
I keep mine in “average”.
Exactly! I’m experiencing the same behavior. FSD behaves better when other vehicles are around versus not
And I find average to perform to my liking better than assertive.
I feel like it gets extra cautious when there's no cars around, since "there's no cars around" and "unable to see the cars that are there" look the same from the car's POV
Yep, my experience as well. I usually disengage FSD in this scenario.
Good info, thanks. I find an incredible amount of variability from one drive to the next even with no settings changes, so as you say, it's hard to suss out the differences.
wow ! I appreciate the effort!
Thx! Love your vids.
Overall its getting better. With one major exception. Since V12 my car does not see speed limit signs most of the time. Also its always been bad at slowing down when speed drops from 65-55-45 in half a mile it will still be going over 60.
Glad/sad to know it's not just me.
@@jonathanblackwell42 I had a loaner for a couple of days and it also did the same things. So its not just my car in this area.
And when it auto chooses the speed you can make it go faster but you can't slow it down.
Using V12 for the first trip yesterday and it was saying a 60mph highway was 5mph. It did this multiple times with wrong speeds on multiple roads. Other than that its a lot better than V11.
Nice to see a comparison. I've been using assertive and it also bugs me how much it lacks assertiveness in taking turns at stop signs regardless of how many cars are around. I have a stop sign where you need to be assertive on my route to work and it creeps up 2 or 3 times before going. I was hoping 12.3.6 would fix that but it hasn't. Maybe I should use chill on the highway more because I don't like how short the follow distance usually is.
Not learning as driving but taking the dynamic map data variables into consideration could lead to a new outcome per repetitive route.
You got beeped at for making a full stop?! Time to put the 'flip a bird' option on 'Assertive'! 😀
full stop is the reason I don't use FSD for local driving, super annoying. NHTSA's enforcement sucks
Good comparison
Even within updates the same mode behaves differently on each trip to the same location.
Yes, a more scientific test is like 5 runs of each, compare mode differences and intramode run to run variance
Great video! Assertive is too fast for my wife, i had to back down to Chill.
Afternoon mate
Great video great comparisons the reason why you got longer no nag was because you're wearing the sunglasses and it switches from eye tracking to head tracking when it can't focus on your eyes 😅
8:56 California driver’s handbook, recommends, when turning left to a multi-lane road, staying in the number 1 lane, but it is not illegal, just safer, which is a good thing.
🤘😎🤙
So I finaly got a Tesla and sprung for the FSD... so far I haven't used it only my wife has. She had major apprehension about it but being able to express what to expect to her from your videos helped.
She liked it almost immediately, and got to see how it can interpret poorly marked road wrong on the test drive. She still though it was fun and utilized the accelerator bump a couple times. I was surprised how much she liked it seeing that shes not even the type to use cruise control.
After we had gotten it and were on the way home she filled me in on one of her recent 'incidents'. She had apparently been day dreaming and missed a red light and almost t-boned someone. Luckily we live in a small town and the speed limit is 30 mph so she wasable to easily stop in time. But she said she really liked the idea of having the computer that never day dreams being in control.
Congrats, long time coming!
@@DirtyTesla TY, I work from home, so I will rarely drive it. I usually only drive her car on longer road trips when my Truck dosent make sense. 'My' first Tesla will likely be a CyberTruck.
I'll be here following along as usual 🤙
@@DirtyTesla O forgot to say,
MY-LR-AWD in Blue
Also side note her first 3 cars were manual and her last was a Dodge with the dial to shift and she is super weirded out by the stalk shifting. She probably would have liked the swipe to shift.
Good test. I wonder how they do the differentiation if it's supposedly just end to end. In principle it should be 3 different training sets and 3 different models you select between but I'm guessing they didn't do it that way. They could classify every moment of every training clip for assertiveness and train on that but that seems like a lot. Or look for an internal parameter in the black box model that corresponds to assertiveness and push that around. With possibly unintended consequences :)
Wait, so are they slowly reducing the nags in the background before V12.4 drops where they’ll get rid of them completely?? If so, that is so cool!
Nice glasses 😎
I’m a chill type of dude.
What speed setting did you use? Im assuming your on relative but not sure which works best for daily driving.
Have you noticed issues with false positives on speed bumps ? I have had an issue with a neighborhood I drive through. I believe it use to be a speed bump that was removed and the car won’t slow down 100% of the time but often will slow down thinking it is a speed bump. I have reported it so they can look into it. This also will sometimes occur more often when it has rained and the road is wet.
I've seen a lot of slowing for "horizontal strips in the road that were repaired and look newer". Sure, from far away they *might* look like speedbumps, but a human can tell when it's a flat road vs speedbump (FSD can't catch that subtlety yet?)
4:35 Examples like this make you look like a beginner's driver to other people. It's one of the reasons I typically leave my FSD disabled and just use TACC-only or AutoSteer/TACC.
These situations are very rare I have never encouraged this on FSD and I use It every day. It drives just like me on city streets except on the highway sometimes It does this weird thing where It will speed up really fast and then hit the brakes when tying to switch lanes like the old version 11.
For me the most prominent difference with chill is that it sticks to the lane and doesn’t switch lanes when it’s behind slow traffic. Also, a bit of slower takeoff at intersections
To your point about FSD learning doing a route multiple times, not sure if a coincidence, but FSD does not signal when leaving a roundabout. I drive manually in heavy rain, and then next time I start FSD, it is consistently signalling the exit
Questions for any fsd experts 🙋 ! First thanks for answering the chill and assertive setting explanation because that was one of my questions(answered!) ! It’s about the no turn on red lights and if Tesla able to follow that no turn on red sign? Does Tesla have this completely mapped or does it use its cameras for this? Or is it an issue? I saw in a video it looked like it handled it (or do u just have to hold the break and release break and then it goes?) but I’m not sure bc the video I watched I couldn’t tell? Does holding the break just stop the car and upon release the fsd continues or does touching anything like the gas or break or turning the wheel totally disengages the fsd??? Also is Tesla using all the data from all fsd users to automatically improve? Last question is the fsd constantly using data (from starlink or 5g towers? Is another sub question) while driving with the cameras to make choices or is it just using the software with the cameras but without internet ? Will it stop for school buses? Will it slow in school zones (just when school zone lights are activated)? Will it yield to ambulances? Thank you for anyone that can answer all my questions ! 🙏
Thanks Chris. Overall, I agree with you that these different modes seem very much similar. I think our car has the same version as yours. It’s odd in that. It’s odd in that our car ar likes to drive slower than my offset speed and keeps peace with clumps of slower cars.. 🤔
So the issue I have when I am in FSD, no matter what mode I am in, it swerves between 2 lanes whenever it wants to move over before it goes over.
You said it was a 0 intervention drive on chill, but you alwo said it touched a curb. So that should've been an intervention.
Touching a curb does not mean grab the wheel and panic please use your common sense.
@@JSTEE4Nobody said anything about panicking. Please use your common sense.
@@TheSpartan3669 but there was mention of grabbing the wheel correct ? Let’s not move goal post over a sarcasm. Once again use your common sense
@@JSTEE4 Yeah, but grabbing the wheel to avoid your curbing your car is a sensible thing, and it certainly doesn't equate to panicking. Please use your common sense.
Not just that one. When he got stuck blocking the left turn lane, when the car proceeded to do an illegal turn... All of these are cases where he should have intervened. This is why his stats are meaningless; tracking actual mistakes is what is more representative
I wonder how the three choices for settings for FSD affect range, especially in regards to regenerative braking. Obviously the more friction braking used vs. regenerative braking, the less efficient and probably the less range. I suppose jackrabbit starts reduce range as well.
How do you report bugs?
I didn't see chill touch the curb(or even come close to it) maybe it was just hard camera angles, but it seemed like it was pretty clear of the curb.
He did 2 chill runs. His comment could be about the one that didn't get recorded
I appreciate what you're trying to do here, but I can't make sense of 3x simultaneous visual feeds of 3 different things. Perhaps if you pause the early ones to wait for the last one to arrive at a given intersection, so that they all proceed through the intersection at the same time. Or something. Just... too scattered for me.
Same.
I like driving in Chill mode always but the car really does not like to keep distance. Especially on the highway when the highway FSD stack is not in-use.
It definitely has a higher tolerance for speeding on assertive. You can clearly see it based on displayed max speed on the highway stack, but I’m convinced it happens on city streets too.
I would like to see seperate settings. I would use assertive if I could have the follow distance of chill
I know wear sunglasses helps a lot with the nags! 😎
I love v.12 FSD, but, I’m still experiencing very late lane change for exits. I have my autopilot set to assertive, but I’m pissing off a lot of people trying to get in the correct lane for an exit. Are you experiencing this?
Are you talking about highway drives? If so, that’s still the V11 software stack lol
I’ll be damned! You are absolutely correct! My FSD shows v 12.3.6, but software says v. 11.1. So I guess software v. 12 isn’t available for everyone yet? Thanks for your info . . . That explains a lot!
@@kihfio haha you’re a bit confused my friend. The software that says V11.1 is the user interface version, that doesn’t really have anything to do with FSD. Though the car is getting a new user interface and that’ll be V12. The highway portion of FSD still uses the old V11 stack, one way to know is that if you have auto speed on for FSD on city streets, it switches to the default speed limit on the highway. We should hopefully get end-to-end neural nets and FSD 12 on the highway soon. But for now, just know that the highway portion is still the old version thus the problems you’re encountering.
Really appreciate your explanation. Thanks so much.
Speeding thresholds change depending on settings. If you’re driving without FSD on, cycle through the aggressiveness settings with the left/right positions on the right scroll wheel. You’ll see the max speed change depending on your setting. On a 70MPH highway, chill allows up to 74, average 77, and assertive 81. I wish they’d give you more control on what the car will automatically select. I don’t like that I have to manually drop the max speed while using assertive to keep it under +5MPH. Using anything but assertive on the highway is infuriating because the other settings won’t change lanes often or at all to pass slow traffic. It’s also annoying when the auto speed setting locks you out of changing the speed with the scroll wheel at all. They really need to add a bit more user control preferences. Overall, it’s definitely getting much smoother and better at decision making since v12, but it’s still got a ways to go. Great for my 3 hour daily commute though, I’m much less tired at the end of the day with FSD shouldering the majority of the drive.
Different traffic and all but what were the drive times for each setting?
It's at the end
When there are two left turn lanes it never seems to be willing to move into the left-most lane, even when it has a significantly shorter line. Sometimes it will start to go over, but then bales out and gets half-way back into the right lane and then sites there. Pretty annoying top others behind.
Maybe you could time 0-30mph times in each mode for fun
Using standard instead of chill in pedals/steering will eat though tires faster. I thought I could control it too, but the computer is vastly superear at acceleration on chill which feels more comfortable, especially to passengers, and causes less wear on tires. You can't keep the torque down in standard mode like you think.
That seems very unlikely to increase tire wear
@@jamesengland7461 I got 40k miles on my 40k miles tires. Tesla do NOT go through tires faster than other cars unless you drive them like you stole them. Being in chill mode 100% lengthens the tire life. That's physics and isn't up for debate.
Fsd has been a nightmare for me so far. Almost got me T-boned before I left my subdivision. Also was on assertive the whole time and it was soooooo slow. This might work in Cali where all the focus seems to be anyways but not here in VA.
Yeah 15-20 sec “full stops” at intersections (especially when zero traffic in the area), and the staged creeping make FSD too latent and cumbersome to be used at intersection without consistent intervention.
Most annoying part. Once they ace it will be so much more useful.
Just this week I've seen FSD 12.3.6 accelerate from a Stop sign after 1-2 seconds. Much better.
I wondered what had changed with 12.3. 6. Thanks
While the different modes behaviors is obvious on highway (previous stack), I haven't seen much difference on city streets.
For since! 😅 Thank you. I wish there was an auto mode to see what the AI would have done.
I’ve been using average because my guess is that’s what they train for, then tweak it up and down for the others.
The only difference I've been able to notice between the modes is how often it changes lanes depending on traffic conditions.
I tested with chill and assertive and it doesn't do anything different in my opinion unless on the freeway. Driving Uber I use it A LOT.
I commented before watching.... Obviously. I may be wrong? Don't tell my x-wife I said that though
Only 30 seconds in so far, but are people really saying that setting does more than the description says? I don’t even think it does what the description says as mine still floors it and rides people’s ass in chill mode. Seems like the setting does almost nothing. Now to watch the video and see what it actually does…
They should add a NYC taxi mode... it will do rolling stops and cut traffic
Well they used to have that basically lol but NHTSA made them change it
1:45 Elon confirmed that 12.4 will ditch wheel nags altogether, maybe that's why
I'd actually get out the car and maybe a poweroff as well just to make sure its applied
I believe it's just been very cautious
Yes, to the point of sometimes getting honked at by the impatient driver behind you who is not overly cautious.
So how many people tried to clean their screen, when he showed the screen, with that red line on it at 0:05
I would rather have seen the asertive view alone and had commentary about what the other modes did same or different. It was really impossible to compare visually.
I wish the drive type setting would persist for each drive!
I thought it did 🤔
Should use FSD
would be cool to see interventions per mile, instead of miles per intervention. because the goal would be to get closer to 0, instead of eventually being thousands of miles per intervention later on. that would also more closely resemble the “march of 9s” that elon talked about. and we could slowly see if we’re getting closer to 0.009 and 0.00009 and beyond.
It's much easier to interpret differences in large numbers, partly because of the convention of using commas to separate each three orders of magnitude. This isn't done in decimal representations of small numbers, so you're ending up counting zeros to try to figure out differences.
I used to make the graphs that way but it's not nearly as easy to look at or interpret, especially as FSD gets better. Only 0.196 interventions per mile and 0.098 disengagements!
Chris, had to stop watching because the audio was recorded very low, so I had to raise the UA-cam player's volume a lot, and when an ad interrupted your video, its audio was blasting. Just an FYI. Loved the work you put into it.
First I've heard that. Never happened on past videos? Thanks for letting me know
Chill - driving ms daisy
Average - on its way to a literal chauffeur
Assertive- be ready to hear “what a dick”
Creepy camera glasses
seems like still pretty useless feature (compared to basic autopilot I'm using). for allegedly speeding 2 kmh (yes - about 1,3 mph) I've receive a speeding ticket for 200€ from Italy (my ca's registered in Germany). my Model 3 LR can't keep speed limits, which is just ridiculous
Maybe your speed laws are useless and ridiculous...
@@jamesengland7461 maybe that's true, but still I am as a driver responsible for abiding the law. my car therefore must be able to recognise speed limits & act accordingly. I won't pay, not even 1$, for FSD if I know, the product, which supposed to drive autonomically - when in use - can be speeding & cannot save me from paying tickets for speeding
I drive fsd 5 hours a day, im very confident that the settings ONLY apply to the v11 highway stack. V12 has no settings.
Your perception of change is nothing more than confirmation bias
While acknowledging the work put into this comparison, it’s really wasted on me - impossible to watch three small sub-screens and get any real idea of the difference. I stopped after a minute.
Bruh I can't wait until elon gets rid of the steering wheel nag..
The nagging to touch wheel makes it to annoying to use. It sucks just like all other gimmick features. Elon just fire your FSD team they do nothing anyway.