Jason Cammisa's Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 vs BMW E30 M3 - Vintage Motor Trend Head2Head Full Episode 12
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- Опубліковано 7 тра 2022
- This is the 190E 2.3-16 I still have, ten years later. This was a riot, but #BTS the whole thing got screwed up.
See, this was supposed to be a video (and a Motor Trend Classic story) of BMW vs Mercedes on even footing: 2.3-liter early cars.
The German magazine Auto Motor + Sport was simultaneously doing the same story, but M3 Sport Evo vs Merc Evo II - i.e. the final variants.
In a perfect display of how magazine Art Directors need to be handcuffed, AMS' art director insisted that he wanted BMW Museum's red E30, even though it was the early 2.3. And somehow he won the battle. Which meant both stories got screwed up: they had early BMW vs late Mercedes, and I had the other way around.
I was livid. I can only hope their writer was also livid. And the art director died a lonely death. (And I'm definitely not bitter.)
But hey, I bought a Benz. Still have it. Still love it. And it's still the (far) better car. Unpopular opinion: the E30 M3 is a terrible car.
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This video was uploaded as part of Jason Cammisa's professional showreel and portfolio as a writer, on-screen talent, and precision driver. - Авто та транспорт
Only problem with this video is that it's way too short. But good for Jason's son for picking up his father's legacy.
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These types of comment is why I love internet.
@@radityaindera3442 I love this🤣
@@JasonCammisa your son is a bit short but he has the same skills as you tbh
If you want a longer video about it, just watch Hagerty, Jason explained this story with more details there a few months ago
0:00 Jason Cammisa video starts
0:02 The like button gets pressed
Do you wait for the video to start? SMH...
fuckin a. Him and johnny had great chemistry.
Why so late to like?
you got some of Jasons shit on your nose buddy.....
I own a 1987 Mercedes 190e 2.3-16v. Love the car! Been in the family since purchased in 1987! Will never sell!
Very good!
When you review a car so good you actually buy it on the spot
Me thinking damn I know this car other than watching this same video in high school at MotorTrend
He didn't drive the nsx after a test drive..........
Damn! The current value of E30 M3s then compared to now 🤣😂😩😭
I caught that too! Anyone watching would love to buy either car at the old “current value”
190e's are cheap! At least here in the UK
@@tomfurstyfield The 16v models?
@@tomfurstyfield what do you call cheap? If you can find the twin cam 2.3 then 2.5?
A nice E30 325i with low miles is crazy money, was buying them for £300 at one time
This is how a real review should look like - travelling back in time and reviewing the cars the year they were produced. Well done Jason!
Seeing his newer videos compared to the ones made during his MT days you can tell this man is constantly improving his craft.
Even after more than a decade of making videos (i think) he is still finetuning his skills in telling great stories and making the best car reviews.
Such a big fan of Jason
Agreed ! I love Jason’s videos, I know I’ll have a great time and will stay captivated for as long as the video will last, no matter the duration
My first thought too.
Being with MT was is downfall. Being paired with Liberman was a nightmare. Liberman would bait Camissa into an argument so they spent the entire time arguing which got so annoying. I stopped watching MT once Camissa left because I couldn't stand Liberman, he's insufferable. He's a hipster, made it worst when I found out he was supporting the indoctrination of 1st-3rd grade children with LGBTQ. I saw his comments praising celebrities against Desantis on Instagram.
I opened UA-cam by mistake and was about to close it swiftly when I saw Jason in the thumbnail and I knew I had to religiously watch it.
I was great to see young Jason come so far, only developing that charm and confidence he has today to draw in and keep his audience glued.
Today I too bought a Euro 190E 2.3-16 on the spot. Can't wait to get some miles on it.
Jason, i love you brother.
Best Moto Journalist on Earth
i loved this video when it came out. thank you Jason for continuing to upload these icons of UA-cam automotive journalism
Jason is staying young by ingesting the souls of modern bmw's. Which is why the new cars are a mess.
Thank you Jason, you are a life saviour. This is our new Top Gear!
Lol I think this came out when OG Top Gear still aired
So glad to see all these old Cammisa videos. I miss them.
The shifter comparison is the most interesting bit methinks. Both dogleg and yet entirely different leagues.
Shame I don't like the W201 that much, really cool car tho..especially the Evo
@Justinian Yi Wow I didn't know that, I'll try to get that done with mine.
Jason looks so young in this video. He still hasn't lost his love and passion for cars. He's only gotten better over the years.
Holy crap, Jason's so young!
Pretty dang cute, no homo
@@alexhaile7957 he’s always been a stud wym
Saw these race around 1985-86 at the Hockenheimring! Was stationed in Mannheim less than 30 minutes away. 🇩🇪🏁
I've been waiting for this ever since you started uploading stuff.
This is one epic episode (glad it's back on YT)
I missed this video its back again.Thank you.
This gotta be my favourite episode ever!
Love your story telling Jason. I a;ways learn something new! THANKS.
My first car was a 1989 E34 BMW. I loved that thing. It was kind of all I could afford as I was at the start of my career. This was 2003 or so. Loved that thing. Commuted across Sydney in that thing for years. When I got a bit of money I bought the E39 5 series in pretty much as new condition. Love those era cars. Just brilliant. I'm sure the Mercedes is also great.
Thanks for sharing the BTS cluster story.
Legend has it that Martin Brundle, of F1 lore, said the rear suspension on the 190E was world-class.
Oh my, now I see where the Adam Sandler comparisons came from. I missed this video the first time around. Great video again (as usual)
Jason has been making great videos forever
Finnaly this video! Thanks man.
Consider just how many times the world has been saved by the phrase “luckily, the engineers ignored them…” ;-)
Nice content Jase. Love the channel!
I had no idea that's how you acquired that 190E 2.3-16. (insert 90s kid looking from computer to camera with approving thumbs up)
Yes head 2 head episodes!!!!! More please!
Great article about two amazing cars, you can't beat a limited edition performance car made to win in competition by a large manufacturer. I'm a huge fan of Group A and B, Homologation and the inevitable Evolution models, evocative and passionate ends of the motorsport spectrum. Due to my age, I've been very lucky to have witnessed many of these cars in full factory spec raced and rallied in anger, a true spectacle, even got to sit in some back in the day when a service area or a paddock was far less corporate with a more friendlier and open environment. Jason, what makes you're pieces just that bit better than most on these mythical categories is your superb attention to detail and facts, congrats.
p.s. I think you're in Cali, if so, maybe pop along to Tim Allens lock up, I hear he has an RS200.
I love looking at the specs sheet where it lists "current value" because now you need to take that number and multiply by 4
He looks 25 yrs old in this video
Seeing Senna driving the 190 completely on the limit always gives me chills
I like how you just remade this video but newer, better and longer
This is my favourite episode ❤️🔥
Back when discount Sandler looked like discount Ali-G
Oof I've been waiting for this one!
My buddy had the M3 but I drove the 190 2.3 16V and fell in love with it.
I hope that you upload ALL of your old videos! =)
Motor Trend: You act like your better than me.
Jason Cammisa: I am better than you.
Mr. Cammisa I'm born in nice car era, mid 80's and I adore your style of commenting on cars, was watching top gear, fifth gear, car wow, throttle house, etc. but you are on another level of intelligence (Also Scotty Kilmer is fun to watch, but for other reasons). Keep the good job and give special care to cars like 190E and olders.
Recently, I've tried out an 190E 2.5 16V for only 2 days and Cammisa's right: the ride is really impressive compared to the modern cars; you never had the struggle on going over bumps and it'll still give you enough feedback about the handling, making it feel like you're driving a proper car, not a lump of a daily commute just to go from point A to B.
What I've also find impressive is the fact that its Getrag transmission still feels great and doesn't have that kind of annoyances that you find in cars around its age (i.e., the gears not getting in properly because of the wear), making the driving more enjoyable and hassle-free, despite of the dog-leg config. However, I found it really easy to use and never had the urge to shift it to Reverse because of muscle memory.
In sum, I wish I could drive it again and, maybe, own it...
Love seeing this. Love the cars. Cammisa is the best
A video from the archives when Jason Cammisa was in his late 20s. 1080p in 2004 is crazy
I'm sure you're busy with Hagerty's.. Still wouldn't mind seeing another video here. Appreciate your talent
I once owned a Mercedes 190E 2.5-16 and it was an awesome car. Carfection just published a video about all the M3 and I made this exact comment and now... THIS video gets released. What are the odds of that?
Same
I agree, I’m saving money for a good condition. I drove in one cosworth engine and the ride of that car for the 190.I love the s14 engines, high rev engine, and a inline 4.
Very cool history 😎
Oh my God! i taught that these early films will be deleted from youtube for ever, but they're coming back.
Waiting for the VW Golf R vs Ford Focus RS film which is one of the best car films ever made!
I’m not completely convinced this is actually Jason’s channel, could be a clever imposter using his material.
I guess we'll never know.
@@JasonCammisa this response will serve as our best evidence till we see a vid proving it further. Thanks for playing along.
@@JasonCammisa I have noticed your name is Cammisa , I used to think it was Carisma , I have misread your name up until now lol
This is like a one-man Top Gear: I love it.
Somebody is losing weight :)) Keep it up!
M3 Evo II is something else
Congratulations for new car !😼
I was fortunate enough to get to drive a 190e 2.3-16 with the 5 speed dogleg box. I must admit, it was a fantastic drive and the car is surprisingly quick and obviously quite nimble. If I had more space I would certainly have been looking to pick one up.
We are still waiting on a revisit on the E39 M5 Jason 😊
Wow, the days when Adam Sandler had fever gray hairs like his early 20's. Glad to see that today's Jason has much more charisma.
Absolutely love this. I'm very close to actually getting a cossie 190, its a salvage title but that is irrelevant to me as its a cool car. Which i also have a later model that im turning into an evo2 rep with an m111k sc motor and 5 speed swapping it
Thanks for the upload Jason.
7:59 you can't just tease us with a gt500 vs zl1 episode and not upload it.
That M3 looks better then any new M3
Amazing review❤ Really liked how he just buys the 190 on the spot :) Legend move!! both are exactly as Jason described. Had E30 325i for many years, also an easy DIY car + crazy fun to drive, true drivers car. And few month ago finally got the 190 as I always admired it too - brought home 2.3 Azzurro avantgarde Sportline model, 1 of only 950 made in total, and I daily this engineering masterpiece as it’s more “car” than the E30. When was this video made? Nice prices at that time 😮
Can't wait to see how you get on with Sreten's E30 on tour. Is there going to be a vid ?
This was an epic story and I nearly bought an M3 because (in spite of?) it, having just sold my Valiant R/T Charger (Look it up - an Aussie muscle story that aches for a Cammisa perspective (ie. no money, old truck engine made good (semi hemi) and racing development done in cut and shut mule utes (that still exist)). I'm still kicking myself that I didn't by the E30 M3 (bought a MINT E30 manual 318i as a daily instead), but hindsight is a wonderful thing, it only allows us to kick ourselves in the ass...
I remember watching this on mtod. Was so angry that I had been lied to my entire life about how amazingly epic the original M3 was. Which, years later is somewhat irrelevant because I still want one…
To be fair it was a great car , it was lightweight NA , looked cool, after E30 ,BMWs M3s got bigger
I remember this when it premiered as I also own a UK spec 2.3-16. I did wonder why you used an EVO M3 ha ha
Great video, both great cars. But I must say muscle from almost 20 years before ran in 13s loads of them did. I am from UK and when these cars where new 60s muscle cars blew them away at lights. However these cars had balance. But I must say the Ford Sierra RS Cosworth is what I would have.
1:56 , the guy with no shirt. Male nipple decorations a thing back then ? 🤣🤣 I could be watching this all day. Thank you so much for your work.
I had a US 16V for ten years (and 2 engine failures). Fabulous driving car but now have something like it but maybe better: a Euro Mercedes 300CE-24 Sportline mit 5-speed Getrag, like your old 300SL. The steering, handling etc. evokes the 16V.
When are you going to throw a 3dr Sierra cosworth into the mix?
I think the best way to choose which one of the two is better is, probably, to take both of them! 😂
Good choice!
Those was fun... both was unable to follow the Lancia Delta Integrale. They was both slower.
That’s the closest JC has looked like Sandler’s stunt double, wow
I missed late 1980s...muscle sedan cars like BMW 318 M3, Mercedes 190E 2.3, Ford Sierra cosworth, Audi A4 quattro and some others.
Reminds me a lot of the M3 icons episode
Slightly off topic, but any idea what's the song around 2:52? Sounds really cool.
always easily forgotten in teh Mercedes 190 E 2.3 16V and BME e30 M2 story is the Ford Sierra Cosworth. This also was a very good car with a very good story. The Sierra Cosworth was the M3's biggest contender on the rally stages.
subscribed I hope you'll make more.. Don't give up! You seem like you are better than anyone else at least in my view. Okay maybe Jeremy Clarkson is better but he isn't as active and might retire soon. You are still young!
$30,000 for an e30 m3? Those were the days
My mom had a 190E, but with the standard engine, and it was heavy and really really slow. I like the BMW better because it is sportier with just two doors.
My favorite part is that formula one block was an m10, the tractor 4 cylinder that went in every 320 e21. The best BMW is a e21 320 with an e30 M3 head ITBs and the full alpina trim. E30 M3 performance with a frankly more fun live axle for street driving, better interior and some glorious Bauhaus touches on the exterior.
i have one euro spec 78km 2.3 16v, awesome car !!
Come on, Cammisa. More videos.
Who is here cause of Sreten . Thanks to him now we know jason
This has been recommended to me again, so I guess I'll rewatch it. This was when Jason was skinny and annoying when he's with Jonny Liberman. Liberman would always push Camissa into an argument which got tiring. On his own, he's brilliant.
i came down here to complain that AMG's have sports suspension and it is not intended for comfort, but he seems like a pretty good growing youtube channel.
Love it
5:03 was a close call with the oncoming traffic.
Jason, what was the worst "performance" car to drive for you that REALLY disappointed you that came out between 2010 and 2020? Anything that stood out?
2:00 e30 estimated value $15.000-$30.000. How the times have changed...
I guess the Hair Club for Men really does work!
I thought Adam Sandler was reviewing cars until I seen Jason Cammisa in the title
Jason and Randy make the best team and these old Motor trend videos have the best format. Nothing against your former Motor trend partner (Johnny), you are just more entertaining. Nothing against Doug Demuro, Hoovie, or Sab Kyle, these videos just have more action. Please keep reposting these videos.
You are comparing Jason vs Hoovie vs Doug? What is wrong with you?
3 completely different channels.
So.. THIS is when you bought your 190e, nice origin story
When jason preferred the 190E over the m3, oh! how happy i was. Watching this again brings back the same feelings.
Give him a few grays and you wouldn't be able to tell him and his father apart 😂