The Mercedes 190E 2.3-16 Was the Fast Mercedes Before AMG
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The Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 is a special car -- and today I'm going to review the 190E 2.3-16 to show you why it's so cool. I'm going to show you around the high-performance Mercedes 190E, and then I'm going to drive the 2.3-16 to see how it performs on the road.
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American: it's rare to see a Mercedes with a manual transmission
Germans: what?
Ikr
My thought exactly
Ikr
Well this might not be true for other brands but also in Germany the majority of Mercedes are equipped with an automatic transmission
Its rare to see any automatic car over here, we actually believe driving requires atleast some skill
Just called the Emergency Roadside Assistance number. It still works.
I wonder if the car to assist you was the same as the one on the booklet? 😂 I have a 1998 500sl and it has the same booklet and picture
VICE CITY SENTINEL!
Still waiting
@@StreetDrilla that's a BMW
@@ccllvn it must be taken some inspiration from this design but still, sentinel is bmw.
Quality and reliability just OK????! This is one of the best made and most reliable cars ever produced.
Doug again showing he's a complete moron.
Not a Lexus
@@SuperSreggin Correct, it's not and yet it's one of the most well built and reliable cars ever made.
@@SuperSreggin
Indeed, a Mercedes E will outlast a Lexus.
jsundy3699 this car will outlast any Lexus you idiot!
>Has 200,000 miles and runs great
>Reliability 6/10
200.000 miles isn't much....here in germany I once got in a taxi and that Mercedes had 850.000km on it (over 500.000 miles) xD, my E46 BMW also has over 250.000 miles on it and runs smooth as always
W140 Chris hows your s class?
W140 Chris this isn’t much for older Mercedes
Agreed. I've got a W123 230E with only 131,000 and last time it had a service, the mechanic simply said: "it'll outlive us without breaking sweat, mate."
hey, i know you!
"One of the best chassis ever fitted to a four-door saloon. -Martin Brundle" -James May
Apparently he never even said that may was just talking out of his ass lol
I came to the comments, just to find this one!!! hahaha
@@joshthebavarian /whoosh
Wasn't it Jeremy who kept saying this?
@@michaelprasuhn6590 No it was James, Jeremy had the Sierra Cosworth in that episode.
Now you really need to review the 190E 2.5 EVO 2 Cosworth. That car looks amazing. Hopefully you will find one some day.
I saw one irl and the wing looks amazing
Cosworth*
Ugly ass car
Worth the cost?
Cosworth not costworth lol
The car looks BRAND NEW with 202k
Doug Score Quality: 6/10
Ok..???
Faith in Doug Score: Lost
This is why I do NOT pay attention to Doug Scores. They're unfair in many ways. For example, he gives a car a low score for features because GPS isn't available
on a car from the early 1980s! WTF Doug?
This shit is unbreakablw and can be found in serbia for 2k like brand new with like less than 100k km.
It will drive 500k with good maintanace
Fun fact; While developing this they drove 50,000kms around a track with full throttle..
5 is average, why do people think 7 is average? 5 means 50th percentile, it's alright, nothing too special but not bad either. 6/10 is just a step above average
@@aleksastojanov4033 you won't find 2.3 16 for 2k anywhere maybe 190d
Why is this car cooler than most 2019 vehicles
Old cars will always be better
15:59 because only the finest tools will do...
Because it is not ashamed to show angles unlike these eggs on the roads
The monowiper
@Jay Pak nah this car is for gay with electric starter, ac, power steering and etc, only ford model t is real man car.
Doug’s the type of guy to pour a glass of water for himself and say “thank you sir” to himself afterwards.
lmao, could see that
😂😂😂
Original comment
Excellent comment
@@edwardvalivonis23 ?
quality 6???? in europe the 190 diesel (that are the same car excepet for the engine) are the most used cars for taxis.. many lasting more than 1.000.000 miles
this is a 10 quality car..
Except of rust...
Yeah, I took one of those taxis once in Germany. The engines are indeed indestructible
Justinian Yi I have a 91 190e 2.3 with 50k miles, truly the best car I’ve ever driven and everything works prefectly
@Justinian Yi Yea, that dash is pretty badly broken by the rear dome light switch. Add in the insanely squeaky rear trunklid, and lap timer that's fogged over, that quality score is fair.
@@lilleBoyy Mine is 35 years old, it only has some rust on the rear water drains and thats it. Most cars from the 80's has already rusted away lol...
quality 6/10 ---> Looks literally like out of the factory after 30 years
and >200.000 miles on the clock (not kilometers)
Same score he gave to the 560sel absolute bull shit, I am a extremely diehard Mercedes fan and drive an 86’ 300e. Quality is not a 6!!!!!!!
@@akishot6735 His 560 review was (partially) bullshit...I guess the kickdown switch was not working or something else was wrong with the car (or him) :D
He's not judging the quality based on the condition of the car. He's judging it based on the quality, regardless of age, compared to other and even modern cars.
Most german cars look good after time passed. They might have shanged the motor five times. But the interior looks fine ;)
A 5 out of 10 for looks serious?!?! Its stunning much better looking than any modern merc
Yeah BS score. He gave a 5 to that horrendous Hybrid Tahoe....
nahh, new benz coupes are lit
@@rocketbunnym2689 no?
Newcastle utd 1892 yeah this Merc is definetly an 8/10 for looks. Its a beautiful Car.
No not realy
Doug: reviews this Merc.
Hoovies after 2 days: I'VE BOUGHT THE CHEAPEST MERCEDES 2.3 - 16
As a guy who decided to buy a cheap merc: "Oh no"
Every single time!! 😂😂
Hoovie is such a loser.
@@yildirayberhat1569 stop it he is entertaining and you aren't
as a guy who bought the cheapest 2.3 16v, good luck finding one for less
Doug: Opens hood.
Me: Looking and wondering at the tilted engine.
Doug: Talking about windshield wiper.
It is called slant-4
However that windscreen wiper WAS pretty neat.
All Mercedes Benz come with the engine tilted to the right, don't know why. Perhaps to better balance, or to better fit below the hood.
@@jmbpinto73The engine has less total height that way. It is probably tilted to the right instead of the left because a lot of the time you have a driver, but no passengers in the cars. With it being tilted to the right they achieve a good left/right weight distribution when there is only one person in the car.
@@TheYawun yup i loved it in my old c class, also you could make it to stop in the middle of the windshield, you know, like in dtm cars, for aerodynamics.
It looks satisfying somehow.
Its ageless design.
I like it.
It's what always on my mind everytime I hear "Mercedes".
One aspect of this car you forgot to mention ... it was over-engineered - *heavily* so. Which is the reason why it still works 30 years down the line as it did when it first left the factory. 80s era 190s are renowned here in Europe for being utterly bomb proof. One British car magazine reviewing this car described it as "it feels as if it was hewn from a solid metal block, rather than assembled from parts, it's that robust". Reliability of these is legendary over here, and there are examples running here with 300,000+ miles on the clock that still feel taut and well screwed together. Plus, in the UK in particular, this was always regarded as a niche car with a modest but dedicated band of enthusiasts, who had a habit of subjecting their cars to greater than average levels of TLC to keep them sweet. Consequently, in the UK market, it's unusual to find a second hand one *without* a full service history, and you should be VERY suspicious if you encounter one lacking this. It's also pretty common for examples with utterly intergalactic mileage readings on the odometer to have had only one or two previous owners, who had a habit of hanging on to the car long term.
Basically, Mercedes-Benz built this one to last, and it has. Chances are some of these will still be running fairly sweetly in another 30 years' time, when they'll be well and truly into classic car territory.
I can relate to this comment. While living in both city and village when I was younger, I noticed one thing: this specific Mercedes was so popular back then that it was used in both rural and urban areas. It didn't target a specific demographic, meaning that it appealed for both poor and rich. It is something that modern cars are lacking.
The surface rust on the lower backplate of front control arm ball joints pretty much matches the surface rust on the front knuckle (250k miles, 28 year-old 190D) ... - I would say they still are the original ones. Just wow... carrying the front end weight constantly through the years, when stationary as well as moving. No play in both ball joints and rubber sleves perfectly elastic and intact.
During bushing work, I found that the original LCA is almost rust-free aside from the rubber bushing bores. The rust inside was actually not from the LCA bore material. It was from the metal jacket of the rear rubber bushing, which just flaked off quick after persuasion with a small chisel/screwdriver . A set of good (Lemforder among others) bushings and good for another 25 years!
i sale today a lot and i´m not a car salesman but since they came out they never stoped being looked for,and recentelly the younger generations started to give interest for the 190´s or w201´s if it doesn´t fail me, so now again they are increasing their value, but i live in portugal and in the 90´s they even made a journalism work that said that we portuguese went to germany and bought them all, and it´s the most seen car in every location in portugal either than selling them i own 2 a diesel and a gasoline in mint condition a gasoline one and a diesel both have a 2.0L engine, also happened in 95 i drove a 2002 in mint condition for 2 years then i had to stop it was drinking a lot of gas. but i like camping in summertime ,and normally when i returned from the beach there were all days kids surrounding the car and asking me if it was really a bmw, normally german kids or a car colector, regards
I own one of these beauties, 340 000 Km and still purring like a cat, even during winter, never gave me any trouble whatsoever!
found one for $17k with 142k mikes. same exact one in the video, should i go for it??
I had to do it....I called the number and guess what!!!!! Its still a Mercedes customer number!!! That's cool to me but it may only be me....hahahaha
marco hernandez thank you
Twilight Zone those fcukers! Call and say your brand new 190E won’t start and say you’re on a payphone. Convince them that it’s 1987 and give those people something to talk about for the rest of their lives!
@@continentalaquatics2725 that sounds awsome......I'll let you know if I do that....hahahahahaha
Haha I was curious! Thanks
The 80s was a great era for BMW and Mercedes. They both made cars that were engineered to the extreme level and fun to drive. They were especially subtle as well. Only the true car people could tell the M with body kits and AMG with the monoblocks.
Now AMG and M’s biggest goal is to scream “I’m richer than all of you that bought the C300 and 330i”
Those old 80's mercs were so damn well built as well. I wish cars nowadays were as reliable they were back then.
This. A thousand times this. So sad what has become of Merc and BMW.
Also Ford Sierra Cosworth :)
Back when you really got real mettle (yes, I spelt it that way) buying a German car
Kaozman well... *coughs* rust
"I've driven alot of 80's cars."
says the guy that makes fun of stereos with an equalizer and is baffled by most standard features from the 80's.
who´s the guy that made that coment , the guy must be very rich to make fun of amplifiers with equalizers ,he must have a high-end system to do not care about an equalizer that helps some to try to match the sound an lp was intended to be listen to, it´s a matter of fashion ,first equalizers were a must have to any system than somewhere in the 80´s they started to say that the sound should be heard directelly without any changes on treble or bass or the loudness ,but not everyone has money to buy a perfect system that sounds good with all flat, with a cheap system if one doesn´t use some controls available on any integrated amplifier it would sound with no dynamic ,one should use the tools that one has to improve the sound,regards
mr. lilsammywasapunkrock totally right, regards
What a... He's a...
Equalizers were great.
Paint job is still spotless, interior looks fantastic, car has run 200.000 miles and quality is rated as a 6 out of 10. I'd like to see Doug show us a car with a higher quality rating than this with the same mileage.
Doug should do a review with the 450 SEL 6.9!
Richard Feynman ,
or more age appropriate, the 500E that came out soon after this model.
On the subject of the 6.9, then he should really go back to the origin of the M100 engine, and review the 6.3 of the late 60’s early 70’s.
Yeah he totally should
Or the 770k
"6.9" Nice
Nice
Doug is the type of guy to read the owner's manual as a bedtime story
SubSongs Channel 😂😂
Best doug roast yet
lmao
Old
😂😂😂😂😂
Amazingly that roadside assistance 800 number in the manual from 1987 is still the official Mercedes-Benz roadside asst. number. That has to be a record for roadside number longevity!
My father is the original Mercedes Roadside technician. His dealership started the program in the early 80's and Mercedes liked the idea and rolled it out nationwide based on his program. I'll just say it's a much different program nowadays and leave it at that.
I remember that roadside wagon from when I worked at a Benz dealer.
Then was a ML.
Quality and reliability only OK? Are u kidding me Doug?
he doesn´t have notion of what a car is,because of it´s age ,he judges cars from the early 70´s with todays standarts ,like "it´s incredible where they put the auto radio"in that year the brands that had original sound system can be counted with one hand ,regards
Anyone remember that Final license test on GT4?
190 Evo, one "perfect" lap around the Nordschleife, and no TCS or ABS.
Good times.
HArd AF.
that was one of my favorite tests. i loved that car so much.
@@thecynicalafro160 at beginning it is, but then you have to do it with the slr McLean in driving mission, that's hard af.
Cam RSR yeah good times! That was sooo hard to complete! The car was a 190 2.5 EVO II, wasn’t it?
@@michelebicc6983 many don't know that the EVO and EVO II are totally different looking cars.
My grandpa drove this when he was 86 years, with 1 million kilometers
Oh yeah? My grandpa drove this when he was 103 years, with 40 million kilometers
anon mhm yeah? My great grandpa drove this at 120.12 years with 999,999,999 km
My grandpa drove this when he was 1 million years, with 86 kilometers
The 250D perhaps
Yeah? I drove it when i was 90 years, at the speed of light through the whole Milky Way
I'll take the Merc 190E 2.3-16 above ANYTHING in your list !! This is just a quality-car.And if you drive and maintain it properly, it's a friends for life !!
Juist
a car from 1987 has power seats but some brand new cars today don't... seems legit
Audi rs3..
Mercedes has had automatic seats since the 1950's.
@@commandohazelnuts and lot´s of other brands
Or will ever have, some . Regards
This has to be the first 190E 2.3-16 video in history to not mention Ayrton Senna, and I think that's a bad thing.
Or nikki lauda
That's because that was all before Doug was even born!!!!
Did Senna own one ?
@@manuelsousa8479 he raced it against other famous race drivers including Nikki loud
@@Carreraboy911 Oh ok, thanks for explaining it 👍
Back when Mercedes was really quality and ahead of his time.
Thats why I own a w124ce .
Which engine?
agree totally, if its not an E, S or G its junk!
If I could have any GERMAN vehicle from any year, it would be a 1991 Mercedes 500E. The engine put out almost 320 hp. It was also concrete proof that Mercedes and Porsche slept together at least once. Porsche engineers admit to helping design some parts for the car.
Hey same! I own 2x w124 coupe, and a 190E
Beautiful car
Doug: These are really cheap right now...
Me: *checks auto trader and finds one for $22999*
Think of how much it was before
@@mokiboki1778 $29k ? lol
DoctorBeats In 1987 29k was 65k
@@mokiboki1778 you looked for an excuse but 65k to 23k in 30 years. A 2001 s class dropped from 125k to like 1k.
They were about $12k 10 years ago and that’s SoCal. Seems to be rising Doug lol.
The antenna thing is for winter. If the antenna is iced over in cold weather and you turn on the radio, the plastic gears in the antenna mechanism would strip since it couldn't force the antenna up. The switch was to keep the antenna down in that case, and also for car washes.
Doug the type of guy who revs tesla in a tunnel
What an amazing comment sir !!!
gotta love those clinking noise batterys make when stretched
Haha gold
@@jpqch7323 thanks
@SOVIET ARMY FIGHT FOR VLADMIR LENIN But i haven't seen it yet .
Doug - the kind of guy to make up words like, "Performancier" 19:02 😆
PDG ! I prefer performanciér
@@derekchisholm972 xD
I legit used my haughtiest French accent when reading that in my head 😅
@@FSMface Exactly. :'D
That's nice and all...
*_but what part of Vice City is it located in?_*
Best GTA hands down!!
Context Matters it's right on ocean drive
Context Matters am i the inly one that remembers the glitch where you get the bulletproof white mercedes? Wow the memories are coming back haha
This was: my first car. My first giant crash. The first time an object saved my life. You DO NOT know what you are talking about! Versions of this same car are most likely the most reliable car ever built. Just look at Africa, old Toyota and old Mercs. Comparing general quality, reliability, materials, quality control to any American car of the day and it’s a generation ahead. That wood (the same you forgot to mention in the 98 navigator it’s completely fake) it’s real. And not only that, it has an innovative layer underneath so in case of a crash splinters won’t go flying around.
You, the qwerk and features guy...ever seen a Mercedes with a handbrake in the middle? They’re only in a few models and there’s a reason for it like pretty much everything in these old Mercedes. You should be telling me this stuff! Not me.
And by the way...I saw with my own eyes a diesel 190 with almost 2 million miles...got that? 2 million! The cab driver told me he was the fourth owner. Put it half a million with no issues at all
Yep, I can tell you for a fact it is real woodgrain. I pulled some of mine off just to see.
I currently own an e30 and I still want a 190e 2.3-16 even though they were competitors back then
Both were competing and evolving at the same time, DTM was glorious back then. :)
So? You aren't part of bmw or Mercedes? Tribalism is so stupid
Tested the Mercedes roadside Assistance phone number. Still works.
It didn't wear out because it is hardly used :-)
The manual antenna switch is there to prevent damage to the antenna when using a Carwash etc.
After 30 years and 200k miles.. Paintwork looks nice, body panels sits perfectly, overall exterior looks great. Woodtrims inside are uncracked (yes they are real wood), leather in seats are not really worn out, all the knobs and switches and plastic parts looks just like it should. Engine and trasmission still works like a new and it drives smooth.
Quality: 6/10... seriously? ... I wanna see todays cars after 30 years and see if they deserved their higher quality score.
To think about it; I don't really see any american cars from that era driving around anymore. Benzes and few japaneses yes. I wonder where all the fords are... I guess they didn't even hit that 6 and therefore they didn't exist anymore.
You wont see them in 30 years, all the electronics passed away until that day.
Exactly, today's cars are built to planned obsolesence. Throwaways.
Flex mode in supercars: spoiler up
Flex mode in 190E: antenna UP 😎🤣
🅱️RUH
Well, that was my dream car back in 80's. Thanks for the review !!!
I had to make due with regular 190E. It had the 1st gen mono wiper that didn't do a full sweep.
its my dream car now its my favourite car that looks so good i just want it
Wasn't the 190 2.6 faster?
@@richardmiller6422 Maybe but 16 valves was the difference then .
finally got a mercedes 190e on the show, great video, DTM KING
One of my favorite 1980s sedans! Thank you so much for reviewing it!
The best part of this Mercedes
That 5-speed dogleg manual
Most of the "performance" cars back then had a dogleg, too bad they dont do them anymore
And James May accidentally shifting into reverse in this car
@@tomivercetti1355 Aston Martin still had a dog leg in the Vantage
Xalataf false
I dont know if w202 c180 ever reached in the USA but back then when I was living in Europe my family had c180 with dogled manual it was amazing feeling to shift around gears even I was 8-9 years old
It sounds like that years ago on Top Gear, James May was lying about how easy it was to start in reverse. 🤔
always lying on tg
Do you think that someone like May would make that mistake 5 times? Its obviusly scripted. He is not a bad driver. He drives cars his whole life. It is his job...
Pretty much every gag on Top gear was staged, entertaining as hell, but scripted also.
In fact it one point I thought about buying one of these. But I was put off by the whole starting in reverse thing
Guys.... who gives a shit. Top gear is and was the greatest show of all time. The viewership and fanbase around the world made that possible. It's also possible that the reverse lockout broke before they bought it USED.
"The Doug Score" the most least important score of any car reviewer.
most least... learn English, man
@@vladvulcan Wow, from a Russian. Learn less text book English. Spasiba.
You mean the most irrelevant
The Countach has a cool factor of 9 ??? 😮 That thing would turn 11 heads out of 10 people.
He originally gave it a 10 in cool factor in his video review, but later lowered the score.
Ultraguy87 rather strange
i agree with you but it a hell of a car to drive
Manual in a Mercedes from that era might be strange for the USA. Pretty normal here in Germany.
Pretty much the rest of the world except the states.
Wow I've never heard that before. DAE Americans can't manual?
@@ryanhard5273 well yes but no, Americans regular cars are automatic cuz gas was always cheap and even with underpowered v8 in regulations during the 70's they had more that enough performance to not justify the manual, that's not even mentioning other factors like the leasing deals Americans get, we most not forget that a car at the end of the day is a transportation method and 90% of the population will go for the easiest to drive, manuals were and are more common in Europe based on the fact that people usually paid and kept their cars for a long time so any saving was welcome and automatic transmission weren't as efficient and small engines really need the extra help... Meanwhile sport cars with manuals were always fairly common in the states and while today every sport car manufacturer has pretty much moved away from the manuals even Europeans brands while still produce hot hatches with manual transmission anything up market other than a Porsche you don't even get the option in America you can still get one of the 3 ponies in manual form
@@a3-radio Are...are you taking me seriously?
@@ryanhard5273 actually I wanted to respond to the other dude I clicked yours by accident
Timeless beauty. You forgot the hoods service position!
No, DougdeMuro I don't know for sure if he forgot about the historical importance of this Mercedes model or simply doesn't know anything about it, here is a very cool story that will add some more value to this model : ua-cam.com/video/DKnASCqgxXM/v-deo.html
I love these videos! Doug is a huge inspiration to me and is part of the reason I decided to start making my own UA-cam content! Thanks for all you do, Doug!
Quick fact check on you here. This was released in the mid 80s and came out before the E30 M3. In fact the M3 was released to compete with this
He clearly states this between 14 and 15 minutes in the video.
the AMG version of this with a changed 230 engine(mika akinan was the driver on the Gt championship) ,this is the normal mercedes version, but it´s the fact, bmw was trying to achieve mercedes quality they did a agreement between brands that all cars no matter the engine all were limited to 250km/hour or it would be messy with the crashes at 300 km/hour ,but they never did ,they try to be as mercedes and i own several old bmw´s as also some mercedes mostly from the 60´s and 70´s and bought them all very cheap,there was kind of a change in mind to all drivers that cars with chrome were old and with black plastic and foam were modern ,so cars with around 20 years were sold very cheap, regards
Can you imagine M/B rolling out a performance sedan and only offering it in TWO colours?
Imagine McLaren rolling out a Hypercar only available in ONE colour?
The reverse gear "safety feature" is very common on stick shift gear cars in Europe. I prefer the ones where you lift a ring under the knob to activate.
The ring feature is common in Asian cars as well. It really is a good feature.
Opel and Vauxhall had that ring too, that really was nice. I miss manuals and every time I go abroad I make sure to reserve a manual rental car. Often because I come from the states they hold an automatic for you if you didn't specify a manual ahead of time.
Huh what?! It has a built-in safety features that you have to push down & in to engage reverse. Don’t need no stinking Japanese ring lol.
they all have that feature not having a ring around like old opel/vauxal or vw´s or other brands also, the old vw golf´s have a problem ,only some that instead of putting on first gear it engages reverse, but that is all destroyd gear boxes that are a vw problem but if you insist in repairing them it starts to happen i drove one like this and get highly scared when in a stop instead of going forward it done the reverse, regards
my 74 Mercedes is exactly the same, dog leg 1st, pull up shifter and go further left than normal and up
The 190 Cosworth.Pretty cool that this one has Euro headlights.
I loved this car when I was a kid in college, a Friend had one, classy and different. Thanks for bringing back memories..
Doug, I FEEl YOU DROPPED THE BALL on this 2.3-16v REVIEW! I am a fan of your videos! I love how you are really thorough in highlighting all the various quirks and features and technology that the various cars have that you review. With that said I’m a former 2.3 16V owner and feel that you kind of dropped the ball on the 2.3-16v.
What about the hydraulic rear self leveraging suspension! ?! With the hydraulic pump mounted right on the motor!
What about the limited slip differential! ?! The limited slip that makes the car really fun when coming out of a sharp corner in a slide and you feel that diff help getting you traction again! What about the Factory real headers! on that 16v Cosworth Head! ? What about mentioning how nice those bolstered Recaro seats are up front! I feel you are not doing the 2.3-16v Justice! What’s more important ? The dash- in the 16v? Logo or Factory Headers! Limited slip diff! Hydraulic pumped rear self leveling system! Comfy firm Recaro bolstered seats! 😧😀
Doug's reviews aren't made for people interested in track performance. He test-drives on whatever urban or suburban road the car is on, and never takes even the most track-focused cars to the track. His reviews are all about what's it like to own and drive one of these things (on the road, not the track), which is why there are only two performance categories out of ten in the Dougscore that have anything to do with performance.
That's a sexy old girl right there
Edit: happy 3 million Doug!
190 E Evo is easily one of my favorite cars of all time.
My father had 2 of those back in the day. A diesel and the 2.3 version. He always loved that 190 model.
these cars were just legalized race-ready beasts that fully embodied the phrase "what wins on sunday, sells on monday"
They have 190 E EVO models for $200,000!?
Are you going to try to get one of these to review it?
There was a evo 1 for sale for over €300k last year
@@StrangerHappened I've just realised Doug is short for Douglas and it blew my mind.
@@iamtheAtomicPenguin "Bob" being short for Robert is even more surprising to me since it is absurd and sounds more like a one-syllable dog's name than a person's name. Hence I personally prefer full names since they sound much more respectable and proper.
@@Poatan.chama. EVO I go for €110-150k on mobile.de, the car you mentioned must have been an EVO II.
@@Atombender it was about a year ago in the netherlands so i'm not sure it could have been a evo 2
I really think you, if not deliberately, but at least unintentionally sometimes "tweak" the Doug Scores to achieve a final score you would like. The quality of an 80's Mercedes is extremely high, as this 202,000 mile example shows very well, and it really deserves a better score from that category than 6.
well he was born in a time that mercedes was no longer apart from every other brand, in the 70´s only rolls royce and mercedes had the status of being the best cars in the world , no other had the same quality,regards
this is my car now and I still use it mine is 1988 and I really love it
That M/B roadside assistance?
Back in the day they'd FLY a factory mechanic out to fix your car from Suttgart Germany.
Muskoka Mike Stuttgart*
@@C018y_ yeah, sorry, typo, forgot the T lol.....(I'd get a rap on the knuckles from my old English teacher for that one! haha)
Because they had so much faith in their cars.
@@whatevernevermind5960 and because Mercedes was a high prestige brand that aimed to be classy and classic. To me, it's a shame they lost that prestige. In the same way that many cars have lost their identities in the past few decades.
Gregory Filin Lexus has still retained their prestige
Admittedly I'm a BMW fanboy but I have to say this thing is stunning
I'm a BMW fanboy too but I just bought a Mercedes.
Boosted Doge same here
Are old are you 16?
@@vodkaorange4575 Well he's 4 years older than you then...
This is my absolute favourite car of all time. I have a red 190e 1.8L, which i love, i cant imagine how great this car is.
Thanks for the show Doug
Ahh the Cosworth engine!! This model was actually driven round the Nurburgring in 1984 in a race by a certain Ayrton Senna and he blew the other drivers away in it
Cosworth head not engine
It should have been reviewed with the Ford Sierra Sapphire RS Cosworth and a BMW M3.
The US Didn't get the Sierra Cosworth, We did get the XR4i, Didn't sell well however.
@@rturner4205 It was a reference to an episode of Top Gear where they drove around Germany in those three cars.
And also skyline gtr r32 nismo
@@rturner4205 You got the Xr4Ti, Merkur Xr4Ti --- 2.3 (american engine from a Mustang) Turbo --- Xr4i was a different car -- only 2.8 V6 - without turbo - almost the same body (also 3 door) but Merkur had more safety features and reinforcements . There was also a Ford Sierra Xr4x4 --- a 4wheel drive 2.8 V6 or later 2.9 V6.... in different body styles - as a 5 door, estate, sedan etc.
It did not sell because of the price, German money value made the car too expensive.
I owned a Sierra RS Cossie sapphire, as much as I love the benz ( also own a W124) the Sierra is in another league, way way faster car and way more potential, mine had 500hp and it wasn't a big deal getting it there. Both awesome cars though 80s mercs are the best.
That car is AWESOME. Love the lines. It looks tough and actually more modern than the 1987 year would suggest.
5 for styling and 6 quality ?
I will never forgive you for this
@21:20 leave it up to Doug to give the Yugo a better cool factor then a 190E 🤷🏽♂️🤦🏽♂️😂
The acceleration score really annoys me...
@@p.informatico1320 me too. Weak point to give 1 for car doing 60 in 10 sec and in 30
If you ever watched Clarkson, May, Hammond Top Gear you may remember Cool wall where they were putting photos of cool cars. Not good cars but cool cars that appears to be cool to non- car people. Imagine situation when you either show your non-car friends this Merc or Nissan S-cargo. You gonna have hard time to explain why is this old slow (in comparison to new even non sporty) Merc sedan interesting so quirky S-cargo is 100% more cool.
this car was my first mercedes back in 2006.
daamn i miss my first love...
I had a 2.0 diesel 190 when i was younger :) Literally used only diesel fumes and never broke down, these are one of the strongest cars you can buy.
@@Pelleministeri yes indeed.mercedes nade really a statement with the 190
everone loved the 190 back then.
@@high5compliments45 We still love it :)
@@Pelleministeri there is a 190E 2.3 16v EVO 2 for sale in the Netherlands for about 175.000euro.
that duuwed is crazy...
i was also crazy to sell my 2.3 16v just like in the video for 1500 euro.
when the engine get warm up it began to smoke and stop.i went up to 6 ore 7 garages,payd maybe 4000euro to repair,but none of them repaired it.no one was able to repair it.thata why i sold it back then.
the normal price here in the Netherlands begins at 15.000 euro
I bet you're kicking yours they are worth alot now lol
Also, fun fact, I noticed in my dad's E-Klasse W210, although the mirrors are the same size, the passanger mirror makes objects smaller and the driver's mirror makes objects closer than they seem. I think that's their solution to accomodate for different blind spots on their later models as opposed to different size mirrors.
I really love the timeless look of this mercedes. ;)
It’s a Cosworth Mercedes. You should have given more background on them... a beautiful car indeed..
I’m so grateful to you Doug for making this video! I remember moving from Pakistan to The UAE and I was 2 years old when my dad picked me and my mom from the airport in a 1988 190 E... brings back so many memories of my childhood..
That's cool af
Glad you reviewed this beauty. Almost all Mercedes sedans I've been in of this period were manual transmission and many in the ME/Asia market still are.
I had an '85 190E with an AMG kit. I loved that car!
Same, also had one. Identical to the 16v in every way but engine heads etc. Even had 5 speed/ clutch. Dark grey. I think Anthracite was color but looked like the same color as the blackish 16 valves. Loved that car.
@@chrisroher622 Did your head gasket blow too? Lol
@@BathtubBass No that car never missed a beat Lol.
God, I had one in France. You took me 25 years back! Thanks😊
Doug the type of guy to rev a prius beside a hypercar to impress them
The car review videos of this guy is really outstanding. Almost everything is covered. Kudos
I had one which was the same color too. It was expensive when I purchased it. It costed a little over an E class. The 5 speed was a Getrag unit with racing pattern. My car also had headlight washers with little wipers. The rear had airmatic suspension which was designed to level the car regardless of loading. I do not remember that my car rolled that much. In fact, I thought it was quite flat on corners. I could drift the car and the tail was quite controllable. This was my first Mercedes and I love that car. The only reason I replaced it, was the replacement was an NSX and I do not have garage space to keep both. Good video, sure brings me back fond memories.
Doug: Imagine a supercar offered in only black and gold
Apple: Hold my appletini
Doug could you do a review of the Saab 9-5 aero from 1998-2005?
he should review a 1992 Dodge Caravan also
Why? That is a worthless dog car built for hairdressers. Best regards, Cleg Smegson
No no no he needs to find a wildfire 3 wheeled thing! Imagine what an entertaining video that would be.
I had 95 aero combi. 2.3T, 250hp/350Nm.
Very fast car in early '00.
@@jareknowak8712 Very fast car for 18 year old cheerleaders that's for sure. Anyway, we all make mistakes. Best regards, Cleg Smegson
Had the regular 2.3 as my first car. Loooved it throughout high school, but always had overheating issues.
Great video as always-I love the history-I loved the 190E 2.3-16 Evo from Forza Horizon 3. That's really cool-a dog leg manual in a production car, and I've never seen a reverse lockout where the shift lever is pulled up. I've never seen different sized mirrors for blind spots, very neat. Cool volume switch! I think I've seen some Jag's with the single wiper.
A review of a Mercedes 500E (W124) would be cool.
want to see it too
@@mazzara_514 there are on youtube and made by people who knows how cars work
When I was a kid my friends family had one of these. I always knew it was different & cooler than the other Mercedes on the road. Now Doug is reviewing it. Total blast from the past!
My friend too.
Fkyu
Doug's the type of guy who would choose a car based on the Doug score.
Doug is the type of guy to give a homeless dude a bitcoin.
By far my favorite car. The 190E in general is very special for me but the 190E 2.3 16v is even more special. Especially the sound, ridiculous !
Would love to own one, so nice.
I love what you do! keep it up bro 👌🏻👌🏻
I loved owning a Mercedes of that era. I would buy one of those again.
There fucking cheap
There like 2k
@@cesarzavala4213 Nice, that's within my budget. (:
I got one mint condition
@@rayseangreen5868 What model is yours? V8 hopefully. (:
Good review Doug, thanks.👍
Doug bro the pontuacion you give 2 this car ohhh my god.. the car is perfect
I’m pretty sure the Service E-Class is still doing its job perfectly...
Build quality at its best👍🏼
Protein Sfxts you see even Mercedes fans don't know shit bout Mercedes.. 80% of Merc fans aren't car enthusiasts lel
Protein Sfxts well...this is a 190, naming it “C-Klasse” was started with the follow up generation...I was referring to the E-class seen in the owners manual...
The E-class got this name change in the 90's with the facelift of the W124-model. Mercedes-Benz 250 Diesel became Mercedes-Benz E 250 Diesel here in Europe.
Actually they do use E class wagons at Fletcher Jones in Newport Beach.
Fun fact: The engine head was indeed designed by Cosworth, but the engine block is shared between all 4 cylinder Mercs of this era. This means the 2.3/16v has the same engine block as the humble om601 diesel from the 190d model.
Thank you for the information.
Aw man why didn’t they make a 5 cylinder gas engine using the om602 block. It would have been cool to see them make more 5 cylinders. I love my om602 diesel, however it is not the fastest but faster then a om601 atleast.
Imagine if Keith Duckworth had a bigger ego than Mike Costin... We would have Ducktin engines instead of Cosworth.
Very cool, thanks for sharing, I love car facts.
You made me check it out. The OM601, 602, 603 are diesel, completely different beast. The gasoline 4-cyl. engines are coded M102, and were available in 1.8 - carb, 2.0 and 2.3L fuel inj., and the 2.3 - 16v (as in this viedeo) developed latter as 2.5 - 16v. That dog-leg transmission is awesome and rare.
That Becker radio took me back to my childhood, riding with my father in his MB. Those up-down volume and radio station levers were awesome
DOUG, the Self-levelling suspension should have been mentioned. That was really something at that time in this class!