I got a really dark one from The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride. Do you remember Kovu’s sister, Vitani? There is a theory is that she is the daughter of Nala and Scar from a force mating. Not only does she have Nala’s fur, nose and eye color and Scar’s sharp outlander body characteristics, there is a deleted scene and a whole song from the musical about how Scar wants Nala as his queen so he can have heirs, which makes Nala run away in the first place. During the final battle of the second movie, Vitani even looks Nala in the eyes and says, “Where’s your pretty daughter, Nala?” right before she attacks her. There are some holes in this theory obviously (the biggest being that Kiara, Simba and Nala’s confirmed daughter, appears to be the same age as Vitani), but nonetheless I think it’s very interesting.
Very interesting indeed, but there are a few problems with that theory. First, in The Madness of King Scar, that deleted scene, Scar got the idea of having a queen and he first throght of Nala, then he kind of tries to rape her, but she escaped and got exiled( and then ran away to find help, so that's how she found Simba). Probably his next choice was Zira. Also Vitani's eyes are kind of violet, and she could very well be the daughter of Scar and Zira because of the recessive gene ( that means Vitani could have inherited some of her features from her grandparents). There's too the theory that Vitani and Kovu could be twins or that they were stolen from their birth parents. And for the "Where's your pretty daughter, Nala?" line, I always assumed that she was just refering to Kiara. Nothing more, nothing less. So I personally don't believe in that theory, but of course you are allowed to think whatever you want. That's just my point.
That is interesting because after Vitani taunts Nala, Nala calls Vitani by name when Nala and Vitani had zero interaction. Considering how Zira taught her kids to hate I'm not surprised that Vitani knows Nala's name, but why would Nala know hers? Lol
@@kitakoproductions8894 Good point. We can assume since Kovu was the last born before the exile, Vitani is older ( but if they are twins, then this theory is debunked). So Nala was in the pride. Zira and her newborn daughter too( if it's her daughter, I believe she is). That's how Nala could know her name. But again the timeline is messed up. If Vitani was born before Nala left, then the song The Madness of King Scar is wrong ( as I said in an earlier comment, Scar only then got the idea of having a queen). If Vitani was born when Nala came back, she could somehow catch her name. Now the most valide theory would be: Considering a lioness is pregnant for almost four months, that means the end of the lion king is close to four months later. In the meantime, Vitani and Kovu were born and the followers of Scar got banished. That's my opinion, but I would like to hear others theory about this.
@Lahanna Singh Simba was a little disobedient brat that caused Zazu physical harm and humiliation. Who got Mufasa to rescue Simba from the hyenas the first time? I'll wait...👂
Okay that's actually a quote from the movie. But the reason they don't respect the circle of life is because they only ate the leftovers from the other predators. And as we see un the movie there are too Many hyaenas compared to the lions. So hyaenas must have been starving and probably hunting easy targets as baby lions or any other animals
Hahaha too much free time??? You didnt understand the movie!!! Animals loved Mufasa because he brought balance to the kingdom!!! Yes he ate some - but didnt go crazy, and just ate what he needed, unlike Scar!!! He did go crazy with power and didnt care about balance! Lol I understood it with 4 years, when I watched the movie for the first time!
it actually kinda does look like one! I'm not saying you are wrong, it may be a baboon skull, but the theory isn't completely debunked, since it looks rather similar to a lion skull and a baboon skull.
"Why wouldn't Zazu tell anyone that Scar knocked him out?" He didn't know that he did. Scar hit him from behind when his back was turned, and the resulting concussion would have erased that moment from his memory anyway. He probably never really thought about how he ended up unconscious and likely just imagined he flew into the cliff wall by accident. And the teeth on that skull are too blunt and flat on the sides to be a Lion's. It's a baboon skull.
I absolutely agree, I was about to point out those two things as well! That's NOT a lion skull and yes, I believe Zazu didn't tell anyone because he simply couldn't remember due to the cuncussion. He was hit in the back (so he didn't see who or what hit him, so he couldn't know) and he was completely knocked out - which probably affected his memory of what happened. As for Simba and Nala being related, I'm actually pretty sure that they are, considering how lion prides work...
@@GraupeLie Lion King isn't a documentary, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow incest in their films. They are still anthropomorphic animals, meaning they have human values, morals and emotions. One Lion murdering another in the animal kingdom is nothing abnormal or tragic to lions, but because TLK is a human tale told through animals, it was a big deal emotionally and morally reprehensible. They changed the script for Simba's Pride from Kovu being Scar's son, to not being; to AVOID incestuous implications. Normal for lions or not, it's still a Disney film.
@@PeninsulaPaintings uh, so what? I know it's not a documentary, still, there's never any hint as to who Nala's father is. And looking at actual lion prides, this is only logical. It can just as well be not true, but it seems pretty legit, that's all I'm saying.
@@GraupeLie Maybe not in the films, but the spin off TV show The Lion Guard has vaguely shown Nala's father, and it's neither Scar or Mufasa. I get what you were saying, but again...Disney. Disney can't even show the lion characters successfully hunting an animal to eat, let alone have incestuous relationships. Bambi and Faline were originally cousins in the book it was based on, and yet they cut that right out of the film because...eww.
@@PeninsulaPaintings yes, that's true, I agree. Hmmm, as for the lion guard, since it differs so greatly from the films, I have a hard time accepting that as canon, even though it's Disney. Those books with the new adventures are more fitting than the lion guard. But yes, I totally get what you're saying. Good thing is, in the films it's never mentioned in any way, so everyone can pretty much believe what they want. Of course, incest in a film for kids is not the wisest idea to include 😂
I have to heavily disagree with the “Mufasa is evil” theory for several reasons First off, yes, it does appear that Mufasa banished the Hyenas for no good reason. But then you relies how huge this Hyena pack is. During the “long live the king” shot of ‘Be Prepared’ you’ll see 144 Hyenas. That’s nearly double the amount of a pack spotted hyenas. Mufasa, or a past king, banished the Hyenas because otherwise, the pack would overflow and desolate the pride lands in the blink of an eye. Second, the law that the Lions can eat the other animals is the law of Nature. They eat enough animals to maintain a balance in the ecosystem. If Mufasa decided to change that, the other animals would overpopulate and overeat the plants to the point that it becomes a wasteland. Lastly, I feel that the “story told by the victors” argument could easily apply to almost any story. It would be like arguing that The Wicked Queen is actually the good guy because she actually tried to kill Snow White because her Magic Mirror prophesied that Snow’s rule would spell doom for the kingdom. Or Maleficent is actually the good guy because she believed monarchy’s were wrong and she wanted to put an end to it by killing the next heir. I could go on. The point is, I don’t see how you can make an argument by changing the story too what you assume is the real story.
He was the guy look at how he treated scar and zazu. Mufasa just doesn't want the hyenas in the pridelands because of hunting competition. Mufasa gave simba some poor lessons also on life
They try and make the evil good and the good evil nowadays but we know the truth Jesus conquered the world with love equality and hardwork. Simbas father is actually god hence his face in the clouds. Simba is Jesus returning to his land second go around fight for your pride you either a lion or hyena them hyenas can keep they asses in the dark til Simbas second return love you Jesus u really paid the price to make us think twice ❤
I would agree to that if I hadn't just realised that Zazu's hella resilient. I mean he was stepped on, trampled on, sat on by big and fat animals and even carried them for a while on his own and he still lives. While that knock out Scar gave seems like only a fraction of his strength even though mind you Scar might be really strong I mean he's a lion. But you never know. Hit someone right, even a muscle man might get knocked out cold by a scrawny kid.
All of these can easily be debunked by just a little research. There are two more Lion King films, a whole tv show, and many other stories to help you out. 1- Simba only didn’t eat Pumbaa because he was a young runaway, scared,fearing for his life, and these two animals came to his rescue, helped raise him, and became dear friends. We see the lions working with, and getting along with other animals throughout the movie too. 2- Zazu is loyal, and takes his job very seriously. You can see he likes and cares for Simba, even if the little brat can get on his last nerve. To even suggest he’d betray Mufasa is a betrayal to Zazu himself. 3- Cannibalism is a massive stretch based on one line skull. Especially when Scar needs his subjects to remain loyal to him and stay. 4- Nala’s father is a different lion. He is mentioned in The Lion Guard after a painting of him is mistaken to be Kion. 5- See above about animals working together. Not to mention not every animal around the Pride Lands is under Mufasa’s rule. There are many wild animals who probably don’t even know he exists until he’s pouncing. The famine and drought were most likely brought about by Scar ordering all the other animals to be killed for food, leading the survivors to run, no harmony within the Pride Lands, no dead to become grass etc, etc. Bonus- “Timon, who’s clearly the smarter of the two” after taking what Pumbaa said and making it out to be his own thought. Whether it’s intentional, or not, he does it many times in The Lion King 1 1/2 and Pumbaa just seems to accept it’s going to be that way. Also Pumbaa knows exactly what stars are. Who’s the smartest? As for cult leader? Just go watch 1 1/2. Please.
xxMiaRosexx :3 exactly! And anyways Scar did a whole bunch of damage real damage, the whole place was just dead how could u say that's a good guy???? Tf
It’s a biological fact that when a male lion overthrows a herd, they kill the cubs that aren’t his own in order to keep obtaining their pride. That would mean that Scar had possibly killed multiple lion cubs in order to make sure only lions in his blood could rule. Nala either got lucky or ran away as a cub to find Simba.
Except that in the wild Scar wouldn't have had to take over the pride, as the two brother lions would have bone into exile from their birth pride, and then most likely would have worked together to take over a pride together, which they would both ... for lack of a better term 'rule'
@@bbychnel2230 have you ever watched the movie? thats exactly what he did not say when simba asked him if he would... then mufasa told simba about the stars (the great kings of the past) - just watch it here (without the "0" as links are disallowed here) w0ww.y0outube.c0om/w0atch?v=l1bWSYG3zgo
1. They segregated the heaynas to remove the competition and so they can’t try to be the rulers. 2. They called it the Pride Lands because it’s the kingdom of the lions.
That one about Scar possibly being Nala's father becomes even more horrifying if you've seen the deleted scene where he tries to make her his queen. This scene was also not taken out in the Broadway version.
@@selalewow Jungle Book was live-action, because real humans played roles. For the Lion King, cgi is still considered live-action sometimes, due to it being portrayed by human movements often.
I actually disagree with the Zazu theory. Because he was still loyal to Simba and looked after him and Nala in the midst of danger. I think Zazu is annoyed by Simba but loves him and Mufasa like family. And somebody said in another comment that when Zazu was knocked out, he would not have remembered Scar hitting him FROM BEHIND and he hit his head. So, he would not have remembered and thought he was just clumsy.
Zazu ain’t a traitor. Hes just stuffy. Lots of characters have reasons not to like other characters. But zazu is Alfred to mufasa’s Batman. He complains and mocks, but is that because he is family. He simba’s annoying uncle-butler. They annoy each other. Zazu is also mufasa’s eyes in the kingdom. He flies around and reports the recent events to him. He isn’t a traitor, but he is blind to scars scheme, because mufasa is blind to scars malevolence. And zazu shows that by being comically Unaware all the time. Also ppl who get knocked out often don’t remember how. That’s literally how it works. Getting knocked out is it getting hit so hard your mind reboots. Tends to confuse you a little.
Yeah, dont take too seriously these theories. They're just reflexions, alternative possibilities to think of the main plot in another, darker, way. But can be easily disassembled.
"Well you know, it's not like he was alone." "Yeah, what are we supposed to do, kill Mufasa?" Scar, "Precisely." Why do you think Mufasa was brought alone instead of the whole pride?
I can’t believe Mufasa would convince his subjects it was an honor to be consumed by him when us enlightened humans convince our young adults it’s a patriotic honor to be consumed in war. Savages
my theory is that scar's scar wasn't given to him by his father or an angry buffalo but rather mufasa. this is possible because scar almost always showed his hate for his brother and clearly mufasa is big and beefy. also to add to that in every story i've heard mufasa was a complete jerk to scar when they where cubs be it pulling on his tail or downright biteing and clawing his brother. i don't know but tell me if you guys think this sounds possible to you.
Still mufasa Loved His Brother He wanted him in simbas birth ceremony and was upset that He didnt Show Up as scar complained to mufasa that because The little Brat is Born He wouldnt be next in Line to rule getting mufasa angry again at him saying we can Fight IT Out in a Match WHO is Boss when scar replies please dear Brother i would never think to Fight with You i got The smart mind but If IT comes to brute force and Body strength i hadnt The Fortune to get this genes its a pity
And He was shocked that scar didnt Help him Up but let His Paws Go and let him Fall to His death scar after cowardly He known He wouldnt stand a Chance against His older First Born Brother to get The throne and His Plans on waiting IT Out to rule fail since Simba was Born He was impatient why He wanted to rule is above me He Just wanted Wanted what His Brother Bad praise Attention and Power He wanted lions to Love him Respect and honour him He felt left Off Like The thirdweel He felt Like that because ahadi didnt Treated His sons equally If scar wanted be King i would given him The throne but teached him right Like mufasa did with The circle of Life helped him Out than He guard Like He was The Leader of The Lion guard He had the roar of we elders but wanted to be King scar was Always unhappy in His possision He Killed His Lion guard of lions after that He lost The roar and felt weak what scar really wanted was His farthers affection His Mother Loved him uru calmed him down If He got upset but she couldnt Stop The envy ,jelousy ,Anger He felt for mufasa scar Always kept to himself until they grown so much that he Just snapped He planned than to get rid of mufasa Thats a stupid rule it its Always The First Born to rule Like Hades did wanted with Zeus in Hercules since He was Tiere to rule His Underworld He should Just Made a vacation or Party with Zeus Like He offered i dont get IT why Canton to Kings Not rule other The Kingdom or find a other realm to have to Lion prides AS neighbours half lions we're half lions Here and they Share The Lands Problem solved but No one Not even mufasa wouldnt think of that The sad Part was that mufasa didnt known His Brother at all i would known how a Brother feels and ACT Like mufasa should havent Turner a blind eye to His little Brothers Sadness and suffering im sure ahadi misteated Taka He was Always left Out He had a Not so good Line to His farther mufasa was aswell blind and ignorant choosing to ignore The Situation he wasnt The The pefect Brother aswell this was mufasa downfall He should ASked what was wrong with scar or Seen it The older Brother should have AS The older one acted More adult like and mature a blind guy couldnt Seen scar was angry unhappy and jelous mufasa was complete oblivious or choosen to ignore IT ending in His death leaving pumba and Timon to raise simba both Brothers Made failures one turned Into a Family Killer Madness Lion and The other droped dead AS a mice but protected His only child being betrayed by His Brother WHO He never stood Up for or helped him to get Out of drastic situations so scar didnt Help Up mufasa hatred was to deep i guess and The want to have Something that He had Not having His while Life i actually pity scar and mufasa equally fallen victim to Power
I could see it possible that Scar and Mufasa got into a big fight over something, resulting in the scar. but at the same time, I think the scar coming from their dad makes a bit more sense-it's a clear story of a case of favoritism, as in real life two male lions who are brothers will rule equally, so it's confusing to see Scar have zero power. Only way this is possible is if their dad observed them and said, "Mufasa is definitely the better ruler" while pretty much treating Scar like a nuisance
@@DarkDragonArtz there was no reddit or internet back then to have theories go around man xD and i doubt people in 1997 said oh this Timon guy is a cult leader for sure! The fact that he tries to have big animals as friends doesn't really confirm the theory . I guess...
@@kef1kef2kef3kef4kef5 so before reddit or internet (what was already there at that point) you think people were stupid? I think some people had their toughts already, there were already manicas for this sort of shit :d
The first theory makes since that Simba never saw a warthog might be true because In lion king 1/2 or 3 Pumba says there not many of us , when he first time was talking to Timon
1. Timon and Pumba saved Simba's life. And then instantly became his friends. Even if it's true that he didn't know they are edible, he still wouldn't eat them. Also note that adult Nala wanted to eat Pumba. 2. At first this theory seems ridiculous but it has some good points and I can't think of anything that disproves it. 3. I think that's actually a pretty valid theory. Other than this skull and all other bones there that are pretty suspicious, there is something else,a thing that always was making me wonder. Why Scar is the only one in Pride Lands who isn't hungry? 4. According to The Lion Guard, they are not related. The Lion Guard isn't canon though. But still, not a thing supports this theory. Nala and her mother could join Mufasa's pride and that's all. Also it's never even implied that Scar had any cubs. The only good point is that Simba is the only child and lions give birth to litters which means Sarabi could have miscarriages or his siblings were born dead. Or Simba had sisters but only Simba's birth was celebrated because he's the future king. 5. The part that Mufasa is a bad guy is rubbish. But the good part is that drought is not Scar's fault. He had just bad luck. And also that the whole story could be told from Mufasa and Simba's perspective and be very, very subjective and even simply not true. Something like the Unreliable Narrator tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnreliableNarrator Bonus: It depends if one leader and two followers can be called a cult. To me it looks more like a coping mechanism than a cult. But it's true that Timon was forcing his philosophy on Simba and likely did the same with Pumba so this theory is true to some extent. And yes, Timon is sneaky. At first he wanted to befriend Simba to have him on his side as a protection. But to tell the truth, it was Pumba's proposition.
Zazoo wasnt a traitor. I can't see that. Zazoo knew that simba was just a kid. He was trying to get the cubs out of the bad lands where the hyenas were
Jason Leslie that's what I'm saying zazu just wanted simba to be a good king he wanted to make sure simba was a responsible king this zazu being a traitor theory is the craziest thing I've heard in years
I don't agree with the "Mufasa is the bad guy one." Mainly because, I think the reason that he exiled the Hyenas was because there were too many of them and they're all predators. So, they would just consume too many prey species and the trophic scale would be unbalanced. This is what I think happened when Scar let all of the Hyenas in.
I had thought of the Zazu one before and the thumbnail was honestly what brought me here. I would like to add one more thing, what initually made me think like that, to that theory's "evidence". Scar wasn't concerned with Zazu possibly wittnessing it. He could easily have cut him out of the picture too, yet he lives.
@@Kainlarsen Kimba's from the 1960s. There was a redubbing of it in the 80s, and re-editing for the worse (and they changed the theme song as well, the original was better.)
What I feel for each one. 1: boarderline since we have no other reference. 2: mixed only due the similarity to hamlet 3: that skull doesn't look like a cats. It's more like a baboon. 4: this is one I agree with 102% 5: yes I know the theory of scar fighting for equality and I on l.j y believe the weather was a disney plot device with coincidence.
Actually number 5 there is actually some truth behind the environment going crazy when certain animals are removed from it it happened in real life with Wolves when you take out a predator from a location the wild life tends to die same thing can be said for if you over hunt the grazers and herbivores the environment doesn't react well it needs balance to maintain order Simba returning to his rightful place as king allowed him to help instruct making sure the Lions and the hyenas didn't hunt with each other the reason why is because of balance over hunting results in some pretty bad situations so it would make sense if Simba would segregate the hyenas hyenas are vicious backstabbing bastards also later hierarchy is the exact opposite of a lion's where a lion is the leader of a pride in the females who are above the males in the hyenas only it's worse because even the highest-ranking in male is lower than the lowest ranking female in hyena packs.
@@zachbahamutson5477 I understand the ecosystem but I'm talking about the weather. So because 1 animal takes over it stops raining? Unless you are cobra commander I ain't buying weather control for animals
I was under the impression that all the Hyenas were released from the badlands(dark places) and allowed to roam free by scar for his malicious take over, this is why the land was destroyed...
I don't think #1 holds any water. Mufasa is never shown to teach Simba what animals are edible. The clip you show is about Mufasa teaching Simba about the circle of life. Simba's question of, "But dad, don't we eat the antelope?" has nothing to do with him questioning whether they're able to be eaten or not. In fact, it shows that he already knew they were edible. Simba asks that in response to his father telling him that a king has to RESPECT antelope. Cutting that scene down to that brief moment is one hell of a picked cherry, lol. If anything, Simba didn't eat Pumba because Pumba probably weighed 3-4x as much as Simba did when they met and by the time Simba /could/ eat him, they were buddies. Or he could've chosen to not eat Timon and Pumba because they were literally the only other people he knew and they saved his life. The creatures in the movie are not mindless animals subject to overwhelming biological imperative and instinct, after all. #2... also feels a bit flimsy to me. Sure, Zazu is treated like crap and that could be a motivation to be a traitor, but I think a more compelling argument for Zazu /not/ being a traitor is that he followed Simba and Nala into the badlands and tried to get them to go home. If he wanted Simba dead, all he had to do was nothing. Once the cubs ditched him beneath the rhino, all he had to do is nothing and Simba would've almost certainly been killed by the hyenas. Yet Zazu tries to get them to go home. Why would he do that if he was a traitor? Because Mufasa would be upset with him, maybe? I dunno, Mufasa didn't seem to blame Zazu as it was and even if he did, that would make it pretty difficult to get Simba killed in a way that Mufasa wouldn't hold Zazu responsible for it. As for why would he not say anything about Scar knocking him out? Well, maybe he did. Maybe Scar convinced the others he was lying... or maybe they didn't care because their social hierarchy mandated a king, and Scar was the only male. It wasn't until Simba returned that the females went into open rebellion against Scar, after all. It's also possible that Zazu was just unaware that Scar did it. #3... well, I still don't think this is true, but I can't think of an argument against it. It's one of those things where maybe, possibly, it might've happened, but there isn't any solid evidence for it one way or the other. It's certainly macabre that Scar keeps a skull around and plays with it like that, though, regardless of what species it came from. #4 holds the highest possibility of being true, in my opinion. Even if you ignore how lions work in real life, there are still only two males in the whole pride. We literally see no other male lions... and cubs have to come from somewhere. They don't just spring into existence, so either Mufasa or Scar had to knock Nala's mom up. The only other option is Nala's father is one of the outsider lions, which seems less likely than it being Scar or Mufasa to me. #5 is... wishy-washy, again. Mufasa may not have been a "good" guy, exactly, but Scar is most definitely the bad guy of the story and a bad person overall. Said story does not take place in the past tense. We are not hearing a tale from someone around a campfire or anything. We're watching events unfold as they happen as far as the story is concerned, so the history being written by the victor argument doesn't work, imo. I think this is reading in way too deep into a children's movie. #6... uh... well, I suppose that depends on your definition of a cult. And a leader. I don't really know what to say to this one, to be honest. Your points are all valid and the only things I can think of to counter it are, "Does two followers really make a cult?" and "We have no evidence that Timon created Hakuna Matata on his own. For all we know, Pumba thought of it first and Timon ran with it. Just like the idea of having a lion around." Both of which are pretty weak arguments. Timon is certainly manipulative and charismatic enough to fit the bill, but at the same time he does end up bowing to Simba's authority when he becomes king, so... I dunno. This one seems a bit silly to even bring up.
I do not know you from Adam and Eve but whomever you are you just did pragmatic analysis. Thank you. We should not forget Coleridge's willing suspension of disbelief
Menti the #2 theory you are completely right about if you’ve seen the movie zazu states scar would be a good rug which someone who is supposed to be honoring would never say such a thing about him.
@@CosmicGlacier you're talking about a company that mafe scars fur lighter so they can be more accurate to real lion prides. Im sure they intended simba and nala to be related. Just like they originally intended scar to mate with nala AND kept this in the play version.
If Nala was Mufasa’s daughter, she would become queen after Mufasa’s death and Simba’s “death”. (Kiara is first in line to the throne in Lion King 2) She can’t be Scar’s daughter either, Simba banished all of Scar’s cubs between the first two films. Also, Scar is dark skinned while Nala is the most light skinned out of all the lions.
Same! The Lion King is my favorite Disney movie of all time, so I'm really excited for the live action! The only thing is is that Disney's CGI kind of takes away from the animated emotion and relies on their voice actors to fill in that emotion. Also, there are rumors that Scar's character will be changed and he could possibly be albino, which I don't want to see. The last thing is that I think it is going to be an almost exact copy of the original, so nothing creative. Other than that, I'm excited to see how it turns out!
That Zazu thing was too dumb to repeat. 1. He kinda hates Scar throughout, says he should be a rug, and never relents. 2. He seems to REALLY care about the Monarchy, again at the end when Nala and Simba have a cub. 3. Dude gets tortured by the hyenas. 4. Anyone get knocked out by something you didn’t see? You don’t backtrack to the instant you get knocked out, anyone who has blacked out from drinking knows you can erase sober memories. And in a high, high, high stress situation, say watching your king try and save your prince, everything is likely a hyper-emotional blur of no memories. 5. The STUPIDEST point is the Polonius facet. Polonius conspires AFTER the death of the king, and spies on hamlet as his contribution. So we’re to assume Scar asks Zazu to spy on the assumed-dead Simba, who, if he was known to be alive, would be nowhere near Pride Rock, literally a long run montage away, and Zazu is to do this from a bone cage in the same room as Scar, just a little further from the opening of the cave. This video isn’t bad but that one point went from intriguing to inane too quick.
Here's a dark theory regarding the Lion King that I've heard about. When Nala found Simba she didn't leave the Pridelands of her own free will. She was exiled by Scar. Scar raped Nala and she gave birth to Vitani(from The Lion King 2) as a result. To make sure Nala didn't tell anyone he exiled her and stole her cub giving Vitani to Zira to raise. When Simba took over Nala basically forgot she even had a cub and as a result Vitani was raised in the Outlands with all the lions that Simba exiled because of their loyalty to Scar.
I was watching the lion guard one day and in one episode, the song said “danger on the left, danger on the right” while the animation shows Zazu flying circles around Simba and Nala.
The skull is a baboon skull, which is still terrible as their is no doubt Rafiki knew that person.. BUT! Another dark theory..Most Lionesses give birth to multiple cubs and only one or two reach adulthood. Odds are Simba was ONE of many who died along the way. Maybe that explains why we never heard about Kion other than in the TV series. He didn't end up making it to adulthood.
Or kion had enough of the kingdom and risking his life fighting scar so he took the high road and left just before the scene in the movie where kiara is all grown up.
Also, in regards of Zazu being guilty of working with Scar, it seems that Zazu does not care about watching the cubs that Simba and Nala have later on. In both The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride and The Lion Guard, how come whenever Kiara and/or Kion get into trouble, Zazu is never there to help them?! Zazu probably is a traitor.
Isaiah Prince No I'm NOT lying. Some of the previous Disney live action movies where actually good like ALICE IN WONDERLAND and THE JUNGLE BOOK. Lion King LIVE action will possibly become more popular than Ralph Breaks the Internet!!
Death Are you calling ME gay?? If you are, if you mean that I am HAPPY that the Lion King Live Action is coming, then YES I am happy. AND I am 23. You are NEVER to old for Disney. Disney is for EVERYBODY.
@@The-Almighty-Whitey Oh you said something about yourself? good job! For everyone: if someone is saying something bad about a person, doesn't say something about that person but about the one who said it ;)
Here's my dark theory: Timon and pumbaa don't actually care about simba. they make it clear to each other early on that they are only adopting him so that they could have a lion to serve as a bodyguard. And when Simba goes off with nala, they both start crying. maybe they are genuine tears, but it could also be that they're just sad that they lost their bodyguard. The contradiction to this theory is that they fought to help Simba reclaim his homeland, but that could also just be self-serving. they probably realized that if they were the best friends of the new lion king, that that would increase their position in life. So even their seemingly selfless acts have an actual selfish purpose.
If Zazu was a traitor that effectively means the animals that helped Simba go to the Elephant Graveyard in “I Just Can’t Wait To Be King” are also helping Scar
On the ending of the 4th theory, in the TV show that focuses on Simba's son, it is revealed that the leader of the Lion Guard can do a weather controlling roar, so a lion could do something about a drought (although Scar likely didn't have that kind of power)
Simba and nala, most likely, are cousins, since science has shown that ofspring with ones cousin does nog have negative side affects (still disgusting incest though)
"You're so weird!!"
*"YOU HAVE NO IDEA...."*
I got a really dark one from The Lion King II: Simba’s Pride. Do you remember Kovu’s sister, Vitani? There is a theory is that she is the daughter of Nala and Scar from a force mating. Not only does she have Nala’s fur, nose and eye color and Scar’s sharp outlander body characteristics, there is a deleted scene and a whole song from the musical about how Scar wants Nala as his queen so he can have heirs, which makes Nala run away in the first place. During the final battle of the second movie, Vitani even looks Nala in the eyes and says, “Where’s your pretty daughter, Nala?” right before she attacks her. There are some holes in this theory obviously (the biggest being that Kiara, Simba and Nala’s confirmed daughter, appears to be the same age as Vitani), but nonetheless I think it’s very interesting.
Very interesting indeed, but there are a few problems with that theory.
First, in The Madness of King Scar, that deleted scene, Scar got the idea of having a queen and he first throght of Nala, then he kind of tries to rape her, but she escaped and got exiled( and then ran away to find help, so that's how she found Simba). Probably his next choice was Zira.
Also Vitani's eyes are kind of violet, and she could very well be the daughter of Scar and Zira because of the recessive gene ( that means Vitani could have inherited some of her features from her grandparents).
There's too the theory that Vitani and Kovu could be twins or that they were stolen from their birth parents.
And for the "Where's your pretty daughter, Nala?" line, I always assumed that she was just refering to Kiara. Nothing more, nothing less.
So I personally don't believe in that theory, but of course you are allowed to think whatever you want. That's just my point.
Irina Moloce I agree with you wholeheartedly. Just thought I’d share because it’s so interesting!
@@ryleeroo It's okay. And I also think it's interesting. Hope I did not offend you.
That is interesting because after Vitani taunts Nala, Nala calls Vitani by name when Nala and Vitani had zero interaction. Considering how Zira taught her kids to hate I'm not surprised that Vitani knows Nala's name, but why would Nala know hers? Lol
@@kitakoproductions8894 Good point. We can assume since Kovu was the last born before the exile, Vitani is older ( but if they are twins, then this theory is debunked). So Nala was in the pride. Zira and her newborn daughter too( if it's her daughter, I believe she is). That's how Nala could know her name. But again the timeline is messed up. If Vitani was born before Nala left, then the song The Madness of King Scar is wrong ( as I said in an earlier comment, Scar only then got the idea of having a queen). If Vitani was born when Nala came back, she could somehow catch her name. Now the most valide theory would be: Considering a lioness is pregnant for almost four months, that means the end of the lion king is close to four months later. In the meantime, Vitani and Kovu were born and the followers of Scar got banished. That's my opinion, but I would like to hear others theory about this.
Zazu is 100% loyal! HOW DAAARE YOU!? He didn't know Scar knocked him out.
theyetti90 thank you!
Yeah because he fainted
@Lahanna Singh Simba was a little disobedient brat that caused Zazu physical harm and humiliation. Who got Mufasa to rescue Simba from the hyenas the first time?
I'll wait...👂
@@theyetti90 zazu
@@Welcometoweirdmaggedon damn right.
I could say that Zazu had amnesia after being knocked out, and that's why he didn't tell anyone but idk :/
That’s what I thought!
That's already a given, he didn't even see scar do it anyway, for all he knows he flew wrong.
or maybe he didnt want scar to kill him. the lionesses and zazu couldnt fight scar and his hyenas
@@Ruxy1994 no but the addition of a monkey, a merecat, and a boar makes that possible?
Thorn and Bois and also Zazu was knocked out when scar pushed Mufassa
The reason Mufasa banished the hyaenas is because they don’t respect the circle of life.
Research man, research.
Okay that's actually a quote from the movie.
But the reason they don't respect the circle of life is because they only ate the leftovers from the other predators. And as we see un the movie there are too Many hyaenas compared to the lions. So hyaenas must have been starving and probably hunting easy targets as baby lions or any other animals
Hyenas are actually better hunters than lions, which are more of scavengers
Exactly if he would let them in the pride lands lions wouldn't have anything to eat
More like furry man, furry
Yeah they likely overhunted and threatened to reduce population to a unlivable or unattainable level,
Hahaha too much free time??? You didnt understand the movie!!! Animals loved Mufasa because he brought balance to the kingdom!!! Yes he ate some - but didnt go crazy, and just ate what he needed, unlike Scar!!! He did go crazy with power and didnt care about balance! Lol I understood it with 4 years, when I watched the movie for the first time!
That's a baboon skull, lion skulls don't even remotely look like that. So yeah, theory #3 debunked hard
That's good because cannibalism or keeping someone's corpse for a sick reason is too far for Disney.
@Lil' Kitten they know that
@Lil' Kitten I'm aware, just saying the crackpot redditor didn't do their research first!
Theriomancer I think your right
it actually kinda does look like one! I'm not saying you are wrong, it may be a baboon skull, but the theory isn't completely debunked, since it looks rather similar to a lion skull and a baboon skull.
Instead of killing the Cubs I think Simba just sent all of scars offspring to the outlands, hence movie 2
Julia Brooks lmfao!
Tht cud b tru tho
Makes perfect sense
He actually did, Nuka and Vitani with wife Zera and the rest of the lions which followed scar including previous lion guard
@@B-Zeno zira* sorry im a nitpicker and also the adopted cub kovu! Arguably one of the best cubs.
Okay I don’t agree with the simba and nala being related here’s what I think
Nalas dad never came back when he said he going to get zebra milk
The real question is... how he got it...
Tasorius f*ck
Tasorius he didn’t, he left
And probably died idk
@@graysweater3438 Not before getting some of that Zebra milk.
ꜱʟᴇᴇᴘʏʜᴇᴀᴅ okay that’s a good one
"Why wouldn't Zazu tell anyone that Scar knocked him out?" He didn't know that he did. Scar hit him from behind when his back was turned, and the resulting concussion would have erased that moment from his memory anyway. He probably never really thought about how he ended up unconscious and likely just imagined he flew into the cliff wall by accident.
And the teeth on that skull are too blunt and flat on the sides to be a Lion's. It's a baboon skull.
I absolutely agree, I was about to point out those two things as well! That's NOT a lion skull and yes, I believe Zazu didn't tell anyone because he simply couldn't remember due to the cuncussion. He was hit in the back (so he didn't see who or what hit him, so he couldn't know) and he was completely knocked out - which probably affected his memory of what happened.
As for Simba and Nala being related, I'm actually pretty sure that they are, considering how lion prides work...
@@GraupeLie Lion King isn't a documentary, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't allow incest in their films. They are still anthropomorphic animals, meaning they have human values, morals and emotions. One Lion murdering another in the animal kingdom is nothing abnormal or tragic to lions, but because TLK is a human tale told through animals, it was a big deal emotionally and morally reprehensible. They changed the script for Simba's Pride from Kovu being Scar's son, to not being; to AVOID incestuous implications. Normal for lions or not, it's still a Disney film.
@@PeninsulaPaintings uh, so what? I know it's not a documentary, still, there's never any hint as to who Nala's father is. And looking at actual lion prides, this is only logical. It can just as well be not true, but it seems pretty legit, that's all I'm saying.
@@GraupeLie Maybe not in the films, but the spin off TV show The Lion Guard has vaguely shown Nala's father, and it's neither Scar or Mufasa. I get what you were saying, but again...Disney. Disney can't even show the lion characters successfully hunting an animal to eat, let alone have incestuous relationships. Bambi and Faline were originally cousins in the book it was based on, and yet they cut that right out of the film because...eww.
@@PeninsulaPaintings yes, that's true, I agree. Hmmm, as for the lion guard, since it differs so greatly from the films, I have a hard time accepting that as canon, even though it's Disney. Those books with the new adventures are more fitting than the lion guard. But yes, I totally get what you're saying. Good thing is, in the films it's never mentioned in any way, so everyone can pretty much believe what they want. Of course, incest in a film for kids is not the wisest idea to include 😂
Just a quick thing that never made sense in he lion king
So zuzu can lift a rhino.... but he can't lift a baby lion cub?!
*Zazu*
Comedy
Lol
That's one big cub.....
Yes zuzu
I have to heavily disagree with the “Mufasa is evil” theory for several reasons
First off, yes, it does appear that Mufasa banished the Hyenas for no good reason. But then you relies how huge this Hyena pack is. During the “long live the king” shot of ‘Be Prepared’ you’ll see 144 Hyenas. That’s nearly double the amount of a pack spotted hyenas. Mufasa, or a past king, banished the Hyenas because otherwise, the pack would overflow and desolate the pride lands in the blink of an eye.
Second, the law that the Lions can eat the other animals is the law of Nature. They eat enough animals to maintain a balance in the ecosystem. If Mufasa decided to change that, the other animals would overpopulate and overeat the plants to the point that it becomes a wasteland.
Lastly, I feel that the “story told by the victors” argument could easily apply to almost any story. It would be like arguing that The Wicked Queen is actually the good guy because she actually tried to kill Snow White because her Magic Mirror prophesied that Snow’s rule would spell doom for the kingdom. Or Maleficent is actually the good guy because she believed monarchy’s were wrong and she wanted to put an end to it by killing the next heir. I could go on. The point is, I don’t see how you can make an argument by changing the story too what you assume is the real story.
Good points.
I agree.
He was the guy look at how he treated scar and zazu. Mufasa just doesn't want the hyenas in the pridelands because of hunting competition. Mufasa gave simba some poor lessons also on life
They try and make the evil good and the good evil nowadays but we know the truth Jesus conquered the world with love equality and hardwork. Simbas father is actually god hence his face in the clouds. Simba is Jesus returning to his land second go around fight for your pride you either a lion or hyena them hyenas can keep they asses in the dark til Simbas second return love you Jesus u really paid the price to make us think twice ❤
Nothing can make me hate THE LION KING!!🦁
Not even scar trying to rape nala in a deleted scene?
sayeed plays amen to that!
@@TadMurata48 That ACTUALLY HAPPENED
Agree
@@TadMurata48 Not even that-It was a deleted scene for a reason.
Simba and Nala are related? *Starts playing Sweet Home Alabama* SwEeT hOmE aLaBaMa
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scar almost eats zazu in the beginning of the movie
Zazu:hmm... I hate the prince who should I work for... I KNOW! THE GUY WHO TRIED TO EAT ME!
I think mufassa and zazu were tight. We all know zazu hated Scar, so that's a foolish accusation.
He didn't think that Scar would kill Mufasa. Maybe he hated Scar, but still felt that he was a better heir than Simba.
Hamlet
You lion king fan boy
Rude
@@BenoHourglass yea cos if zazu got nocked out he probably wouldn't remember anything
Or maybe zsazu doesnt tell anyone scar knocked him out because he doesn't remember it. Bird took a hell of a knock to the head remember.
Nikki Pratt like Fr wtf lol
I would agree to that if I hadn't just realised that Zazu's hella resilient. I mean he was stepped on, trampled on, sat on by big and fat animals and even carried them for a while on his own and he still lives. While that knock out Scar gave seems like only a fraction of his strength even though mind you Scar might be really strong I mean he's a lion. But you never know. Hit someone right, even a muscle man might get knocked out cold by a scrawny kid.
Scar's pimp hand was too strong
Grand Field Marshal Iskandar Kirkland of Crybabia I think the slapstick doesn’t count because it wasn’t really happening
Or maybe you're wrong.
Lion King it's the best animated movie to come out ever
Toy story comes in 2nd
True
Totally!!!!
Nah spiderman into to the spiderverse is
Oh is it because its black people in the cast
Darkest theory: the whole story was actually stolen from Kimba The White Lion, a story and movie from Japan
This
Shame Disney
I do believe you got it on the right note 💯%Rlb
Pheew an even darker theory would be that Disney took a mediocre foreign film that I regret watching and actually made it more entertaining
@@4WaveRider4 That's not the point, the point is that Disney claims that this is an original but it is clearly not. Which is copyright infringement!
Please don't kill my childhood
I’m 16 my childhood was full of video games youtube and dvds
In the books Nala’s father disappeared
All of these can easily be debunked by just a little research. There are two more Lion King films, a whole tv show, and many other stories to help you out.
1- Simba only didn’t eat Pumbaa because he was a young runaway, scared,fearing for his life, and these two animals came to his rescue, helped raise him, and became dear friends. We see the lions working with, and getting along with other animals throughout the movie too.
2- Zazu is loyal, and takes his job very seriously. You can see he likes and cares for Simba, even if the little brat can get on his last nerve. To even suggest he’d betray Mufasa is a betrayal to Zazu himself.
3- Cannibalism is a massive stretch based on one line skull. Especially when Scar needs his subjects to remain loyal to him and stay.
4- Nala’s father is a different lion. He is mentioned in The Lion Guard after a painting of him is mistaken to be Kion.
5- See above about animals working together. Not to mention not every animal around the Pride Lands is under Mufasa’s rule. There are many wild animals who probably don’t even know he exists until he’s pouncing. The famine and drought were most likely brought about by Scar ordering all the other animals to be killed for food, leading the survivors to run, no harmony within the Pride Lands, no dead to become grass etc, etc.
Bonus- “Timon, who’s clearly the smarter of the two” after taking what Pumbaa said and making it out to be his own thought. Whether it’s intentional, or not, he does it many times in The Lion King 1 1/2 and Pumbaa just seems to accept it’s going to be that way. Also Pumbaa knows exactly what stars are. Who’s the smartest? As for cult leader? Just go watch 1 1/2. Please.
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*Mufasa is NOT evil! They have to eat to live, what the heck!*
xxMiaRosexx :3 exactly! And anyways Scar did a whole bunch of damage real damage, the whole place was just dead how could u say that's a good guy???? Tf
Its called a theory, for a reason
Blueberry Ik that it just that the theory is pretty wrong but that is just my opinion on what I think about that theory
I'm gonna end your whole career yaya
Uh you don't get the point.
It’s a biological fact that when a male lion overthrows a herd, they kill the cubs that aren’t his own in order to keep obtaining their pride.
That would mean that Scar had possibly killed multiple lion cubs in order to make sure only lions in his blood could rule. Nala either got lucky or ran away as a cub to find Simba.
She thought he was dead and could've sworn she was out hunting and bumped into him
I guess the “got lucky” option wins then.
@@kayalandry2249 scar let her live too she even gave simba an update on the pride
Except that in the wild Scar wouldn't have had to take over the pride, as the two brother lions would have bone into exile from their birth pride, and then most likely would have worked together to take over a pride together, which they would both ... for lack of a better term 'rule'
@Ethan thats what I'm thinking
Nala's father is actually an unknown lion outside the pride lands if I'm not mistaken
Must be the mail-lion
He is mentioned in Lion guard mheetu is a deleted Chara her little Brother didnt Made IT in The movie
Sounds like a lie that nala told everyone to cover the fact that she is the daugther of an traitor.
HorrorIs Life
It’s actually been confirmed that Nala’s father was part of the pride, it stated that in The Lion Guard :)
Nala father's name is Nile
Mufasa says every animal is equal. So the last theory is wrong.
NOT EVEN GOD mufasa also said he would stay with simba forever, yet here we are 🙉
He said every animal is equal but it doesn't mean it's true
@@bbychnel2230 have you ever watched the movie? thats exactly what he did not say when simba asked him if he would... then mufasa told simba about the stars (the great kings of the past) - just watch it here (without the "0" as links are disallowed here)
w0ww.y0outube.c0om/w0atch?v=l1bWSYG3zgo
@@crize11 Why do you say that links are not allowed here??? Links *_are_* allowed on UA-cam (unless you mean just for this UA-cam Channel)!
1. They segregated the heaynas to remove the competition and so they can’t try to be the rulers.
2. They called it the Pride Lands because it’s the kingdom of the lions.
That one about Scar possibly being Nala's father becomes even more horrifying if you've seen the deleted scene where he tries to make her his queen. This scene was also not taken out in the Broadway version.
Live action is literally "look how real our cgi takes emotion out of animation"
I dunno, the animals in The Jungle Book looked very emotive.
But it is annoying to hear people call it "live action" when it is not. It is good CGI, but it is not live action.
@@selalewow Jungle Book was live-action, because real humans played roles. For the Lion King, cgi is still considered live-action sometimes, due to it being portrayed by human movements often.
Jensen Hendrix You got that from ihe
@@Rahim103.5 Yes. And it's still a good point
Im proud to have had a Lion King themed bday party when I was 7.
I did too when I was 11
Same here and I think I was 6
@Retendo how do you know
Retendo ok but how are they lying?
The Timon one isn’t dark it’s just him being a smart little dudeeee
Simba and Nala are cousins in Simbas moms side, Sarabi( Simbas mom) and Sarafina (Nalas mom) are sisters.
No they're not. Sarafina and Sarabi are best friends not sisters.
LisaTigressHardy they actually are or cousins at least
They could be cousins, but not by Sarabi and Sarafina, instead by Scar and Mufasa.
Usually the male lion mates with all the females. So nala and simba should have the same dad. Unless nala is scar's daughter
LisaTigressHardy they’re sisters, for your information. Look it up.
"Mufasa is the bad guy"
"I'm the bad guy...Duh."(Billie Eillish:Bad Guy)
LoL
why did i sing the second part??
Im the bad guy(Lord Dominator)
How did you manage to send voice message in the comment session???
Lol I love that song
Simba probably would not eat Pumba because he was basically raised by him and Timon for most of his childhood.. I guess
Well duh
*Be prepared to have your childhood ruined*
*A wild theory has appeared*
confused Matthew said the Lions who stayed Royal to scar. in Lion king 2 maybe they had cubs with scar so they to leave
With realistic animation that shows no emotions.
Roman Bryant that how life work
I'm good only one dark theorie my child hood wasn't ruined
I actually disagree with the Zazu theory. Because he was still loyal to Simba and looked after him and Nala in the midst of danger. I think Zazu is annoyed by Simba but loves him and Mufasa like family. And somebody said in another comment that when Zazu was knocked out, he would not have remembered Scar hitting him FROM BEHIND and he hit his head. So, he would not have remembered and thought he was just clumsy.
Plus Simba was just a child at the time and who can say they were never like that when they were kids
Zazu may be a grumpy bird but he understood Simba was just a cub and he did grow up humble when he became king and Zazu did become close to him.
“But I did pass
C-“
-WickedBinge 2018
Also, zazu could lift a whole rhino but "couldnt" lift simba when he was on the tree branch😒
Facts, and never seemed to ever get knocked out? Until that moment? It's all sus.
Zazu ain’t a traitor. Hes just stuffy. Lots of characters have reasons not to like other characters. But zazu is Alfred to mufasa’s Batman. He complains and mocks, but is that because he is family. He simba’s annoying uncle-butler. They annoy each other.
Zazu is also mufasa’s eyes in the kingdom. He flies around and reports the recent events to him.
He isn’t a traitor, but he is blind to scars scheme, because mufasa is blind to scars malevolence. And zazu shows that by being comically Unaware all the time.
Also ppl who get knocked out often don’t remember how. That’s literally how it works. Getting knocked out is it getting hit so hard your mind reboots. Tends to confuse you a little.
Simba is damian😂
That's not true
Wait, wasn’t Zazu the one that went and got Mufassa when Simba was in the elephant graveyard?
Yes.
Yeah, dont take too seriously these theories. They're just reflexions, alternative possibilities to think of the main plot in another, darker, way. But can be easily disassembled.
"Well you know, it's not like he was alone." "Yeah, what are we supposed to do, kill Mufasa?" Scar, "Precisely." Why do you think Mufasa was brought alone instead of the whole pride?
@@bearsanders1 Maybe for the same reason he chased the hyenas out of the Pride Lands alone earlier in the movie? He didn't need help.
Yep it was Zazu who went to get Mufassa
I can’t believe Mufasa would convince his subjects it was an honor to be consumed by him when us enlightened humans convince our young adults it’s a patriotic honor to be consumed in war.
Savages
Oml, THANOS
Circle of life? More like Circle of death. Am I right?
Doesn't have quite the same ring to it :)
@@WickedBinge I think it has a very nice ring to it lol
*Beats drums jokingly in nigga noise*
@@kyrlics6515 lmao
HA!
You know the only one of these that I kind of buy is that Simba and Nala were related, because that's how lion prides work.
Zazu might have forgotten when he was knocked out
my theory is that scar's scar wasn't given to him by his father or an angry buffalo but rather mufasa. this is possible because scar almost always showed his hate for his brother and clearly mufasa is big and beefy. also to add to that in every story i've heard mufasa was a complete jerk to scar when they where cubs be it pulling on his tail or downright biteing and clawing his brother. i don't know but tell me if you guys think this sounds possible to you.
Still mufasa Loved His Brother He wanted him in simbas birth ceremony and was upset that He didnt Show Up as scar complained to mufasa that because The little Brat is Born He wouldnt be next in Line to rule getting mufasa angry again at him saying we can Fight IT Out in a Match WHO is Boss when scar replies please dear Brother i would never think to Fight with You i got The smart mind but If IT comes to brute force and Body strength i hadnt The Fortune to get this genes its a pity
And He was shocked that scar didnt Help him Up but let His Paws Go and let him Fall to His death scar after cowardly He known He wouldnt stand a Chance against His older First Born Brother to get The throne and His Plans on waiting IT Out to rule fail since Simba was Born He was impatient why He wanted to rule is above me He Just wanted Wanted what His Brother Bad praise Attention and Power He wanted lions to Love him Respect and honour him He felt left Off Like The thirdweel He felt Like that because ahadi didnt Treated His sons equally If scar wanted be King i would given him The throne but teached him right Like mufasa did with The circle of Life helped him Out than He guard Like He was The Leader of The Lion guard He had the roar of we elders but wanted to be King scar was Always unhappy in His possision He Killed His Lion guard of lions after that He lost The roar and felt weak what scar really wanted was His farthers affection His Mother Loved him uru calmed him down If He got upset but she couldnt Stop The envy ,jelousy ,Anger He felt for mufasa scar Always kept to himself until they grown so much that he Just snapped He planned than to get rid of mufasa Thats a stupid rule it its Always The First Born to rule Like Hades did wanted with Zeus in Hercules since He was Tiere to rule His Underworld He should Just Made a vacation or Party with Zeus Like He offered i dont get IT why Canton to Kings Not rule other The Kingdom or find a other realm to have to Lion prides AS neighbours half lions we're half lions Here and they Share The Lands Problem solved but No one Not even mufasa wouldnt think of that The sad Part was that mufasa didnt known His Brother at all i would known how a Brother feels and ACT Like mufasa should havent Turner a blind eye to His little Brothers Sadness and suffering im sure ahadi misteated Taka He was Always left Out He had a Not so good Line to His farther mufasa was aswell blind and ignorant choosing to ignore The Situation he wasnt The The pefect Brother aswell this was mufasa downfall He should ASked what was wrong with scar or Seen it The older Brother should have AS The older one acted More adult like and mature a blind guy couldnt Seen scar was angry unhappy and jelous mufasa was complete oblivious or choosen to ignore IT ending in His death leaving pumba and Timon to raise simba both Brothers Made failures one turned Into a Family Killer Madness Lion and The other droped dead AS a mice but protected His only child being betrayed by His Brother WHO He never stood Up for or helped him to get Out of drastic situations so scar didnt Help Up mufasa hatred was to deep i guess and The want to have Something that He had Not having His while Life i actually pity scar and mufasa equally fallen victim to Power
It's a movie...
Scar actually got it from doing stupid shit. He was named "garbage" and was always the "lesser" brother.
I could see it possible that Scar and Mufasa got into a big fight over something, resulting in the scar. but at the same time, I think the scar coming from their dad makes a bit more sense-it's a clear story of a case of favoritism, as in real life two male lions who are brothers will rule equally, so it's confusing to see Scar have zero power. Only way this is possible is if their dad observed them and said, "Mufasa is definitely the better ruler" while pretty much treating Scar like a nuisance
Timone being a cult leader, the way you described it actually does make a whole lot of sense.
I only watched this video because Zazu was in the thumbnail
But rafiki taught Timon about hakuna matatta...
I think this was made before that
@@melissafuerst6112 this was made a few days ago
@@agathascrustyfingers5214 This video mabey, but the theory not
@@DarkDragonArtz there was no reddit or internet back then to have theories go around man xD and i doubt people in 1997 said oh this Timon guy is a cult leader for sure! The fact that he tries to have big animals as friends doesn't really confirm the theory . I guess...
@@kef1kef2kef3kef4kef5 so before reddit or internet (what was already there at that point) you think people were stupid? I think some people had their toughts already, there were already manicas for this sort of shit :d
The first theory makes since that Simba never saw a warthog might be true because In lion king 1/2 or 3 Pumba says there not many of us , when he first time was talking to Timon
1. Timon and Pumba saved Simba's life. And then instantly became his friends. Even if it's true that he didn't know they are edible, he still wouldn't eat them. Also note that adult Nala wanted to eat Pumba.
2. At first this theory seems ridiculous but it has some good points and I can't think of anything that disproves it.
3. I think that's actually a pretty valid theory. Other than this skull and all other bones there that are pretty suspicious, there is something else,a thing that always was making me wonder. Why Scar is the only one in Pride Lands who isn't hungry?
4. According to The Lion Guard, they are not related. The Lion Guard isn't canon though. But still, not a thing supports this theory. Nala and her mother could join Mufasa's pride and that's all. Also it's never even implied that Scar had any cubs. The only good point is that Simba is the only child and lions give birth to litters which means Sarabi could have miscarriages or his siblings were born dead. Or Simba had sisters but only Simba's birth was celebrated because he's the future king.
5. The part that Mufasa is a bad guy is rubbish. But the good part is that drought is not Scar's fault. He had just bad luck. And also that the whole story could be told from Mufasa and Simba's perspective and be very, very subjective and even simply not true. Something like the Unreliable Narrator tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/UnreliableNarrator
Bonus: It depends if one leader and two followers can be called a cult. To me it looks more like a coping mechanism than a cult. But it's true that Timon was forcing his philosophy on Simba and likely did the same with Pumba so this theory is true to some extent. And yes, Timon is sneaky. At first he wanted to befriend Simba to have him on his side as a protection. But to tell the truth, it was Pumba's proposition.
Definitely warrants some research
I thought that Nuka in Lion King 2 actually was Scar's cub...
Zazoo wasnt a traitor. I can't see that. Zazoo knew that simba was just a kid. He was trying to get the cubs out of the bad lands where the hyenas were
Jason Leslie that's what I'm saying zazu just wanted simba to be a good king he wanted to make sure simba was a responsible king this zazu being a traitor theory is the craziest thing I've heard in years
Jason Leslie
this isn't related is but
the way you spelled Zazu makes me angry
Nala is probably Scar's daughter... their eyes are very similar. Just speculation
I don't agree with the "Mufasa is the bad guy one." Mainly because, I think the reason that he exiled the Hyenas was because there were too many of them and they're all predators. So, they would just consume too many prey species and the trophic scale would be unbalanced.
This is what I think happened when Scar let all of the Hyenas in.
isn't it funny that the animals didn't bow down to the king
but they just smelled pumba's fart really bad
That might not be canon
Behold what was once seen as grand beautiful and inspiring........Revealed To Be A Complete Joke
Why does everyone call TLK remake a live action remake, it's all CGI..?!
I had thought of the Zazu one before and the thumbnail was honestly what brought me here. I would like to add one more thing, what initually made me think like that, to that theory's "evidence". Scar wasn't concerned with Zazu possibly wittnessing it. He could easily have cut him out of the picture too, yet he lives.
Facts
The Zazu thing is just meta. All the embarrassment he goes through is just of the moment, and isn't actually indicative of the norm.
Also, The Lion King is a ripoff of 'Kimba', an anime of the early eighties(?) that has pretty much the same plot.
@@Kainlarsen Kimba's from the 1960s. There was a redubbing of it in the 80s, and re-editing for the worse (and they changed the theme song as well, the original was better.)
What I feel for each one.
1: boarderline since we have no other reference.
2: mixed only due the similarity to hamlet
3: that skull doesn't look like a cats. It's more like a baboon.
4: this is one I agree with 102%
5: yes I know the theory of scar fighting for equality and I on l.j y believe the weather was a disney plot device with coincidence.
Actually number 5 there is actually some truth behind the environment going crazy when certain animals are removed from it it happened in real life with Wolves when you take out a predator from a location the wild life tends to die same thing can be said for if you over hunt the grazers and herbivores the environment doesn't react well it needs balance to maintain order Simba returning to his rightful place as king allowed him to help instruct making sure the Lions and the hyenas didn't hunt with each other the reason why is because of balance over hunting results in some pretty bad situations so it would make sense if Simba would segregate the hyenas hyenas are vicious backstabbing bastards also later hierarchy is the exact opposite of a lion's where a lion is the leader of a pride in the females who are above the males in the hyenas only it's worse because even the highest-ranking in male is lower than the lowest ranking female in hyena packs.
@@zachbahamutson5477 I understand the ecosystem but I'm talking about the weather. So because 1 animal takes over it stops raining? Unless you are cobra commander I ain't buying weather control for animals
@@scoots291 It probably didn't rain because it was the dry season.
@@vixy_p1420 see reply about weather,ecosystem
I was under the impression that all the Hyenas were released from the badlands(dark places) and allowed to roam free by scar for his malicious take over, this is why the land was destroyed...
I don't think #1 holds any water. Mufasa is never shown to teach Simba what animals are edible. The clip you show is about Mufasa teaching Simba about the circle of life. Simba's question of, "But dad, don't we eat the antelope?" has nothing to do with him questioning whether they're able to be eaten or not. In fact, it shows that he already knew they were edible. Simba asks that in response to his father telling him that a king has to RESPECT antelope. Cutting that scene down to that brief moment is one hell of a picked cherry, lol. If anything, Simba didn't eat Pumba because Pumba probably weighed 3-4x as much as Simba did when they met and by the time Simba /could/ eat him, they were buddies. Or he could've chosen to not eat Timon and Pumba because they were literally the only other people he knew and they saved his life. The creatures in the movie are not mindless animals subject to overwhelming biological imperative and instinct, after all.
#2... also feels a bit flimsy to me. Sure, Zazu is treated like crap and that could be a motivation to be a traitor, but I think a more compelling argument for Zazu /not/ being a traitor is that he followed Simba and Nala into the badlands and tried to get them to go home. If he wanted Simba dead, all he had to do was nothing. Once the cubs ditched him beneath the rhino, all he had to do is nothing and Simba would've almost certainly been killed by the hyenas. Yet Zazu tries to get them to go home. Why would he do that if he was a traitor? Because Mufasa would be upset with him, maybe? I dunno, Mufasa didn't seem to blame Zazu as it was and even if he did, that would make it pretty difficult to get Simba killed in a way that Mufasa wouldn't hold Zazu responsible for it. As for why would he not say anything about Scar knocking him out? Well, maybe he did. Maybe Scar convinced the others he was lying... or maybe they didn't care because their social hierarchy mandated a king, and Scar was the only male. It wasn't until Simba returned that the females went into open rebellion against Scar, after all. It's also possible that Zazu was just unaware that Scar did it.
#3... well, I still don't think this is true, but I can't think of an argument against it. It's one of those things where maybe, possibly, it might've happened, but there isn't any solid evidence for it one way or the other. It's certainly macabre that Scar keeps a skull around and plays with it like that, though, regardless of what species it came from.
#4 holds the highest possibility of being true, in my opinion. Even if you ignore how lions work in real life, there are still only two males in the whole pride. We literally see no other male lions... and cubs have to come from somewhere. They don't just spring into existence, so either Mufasa or Scar had to knock Nala's mom up. The only other option is Nala's father is one of the outsider lions, which seems less likely than it being Scar or Mufasa to me.
#5 is... wishy-washy, again. Mufasa may not have been a "good" guy, exactly, but Scar is most definitely the bad guy of the story and a bad person overall. Said story does not take place in the past tense. We are not hearing a tale from someone around a campfire or anything. We're watching events unfold as they happen as far as the story is concerned, so the history being written by the victor argument doesn't work, imo. I think this is reading in way too deep into a children's movie.
#6... uh... well, I suppose that depends on your definition of a cult. And a leader. I don't really know what to say to this one, to be honest. Your points are all valid and the only things I can think of to counter it are, "Does two followers really make a cult?" and "We have no evidence that Timon created Hakuna Matata on his own. For all we know, Pumba thought of it first and Timon ran with it. Just like the idea of having a lion around." Both of which are pretty weak arguments. Timon is certainly manipulative and charismatic enough to fit the bill, but at the same time he does end up bowing to Simba's authority when he becomes king, so... I dunno. This one seems a bit silly to even bring up.
Good breakdown. Thanks for taking the time :)
@@WickedBinge My pleasure! ^.^
I do not know you from Adam and Eve but whomever you are you just did pragmatic analysis. Thank you.
We should not forget Coleridge's willing suspension of disbelief
Menti the #2 theory you are completely right about if you’ve seen the movie zazu states scar would be a good rug which someone who is supposed to be honoring would never say such a thing about him.
“Yeeeaaaaa, that’s the good stuff” 😂 also I can see the Zazu being a traitor theory working
No Nalas father had to go because you can’t have that much boys in the pride lands
Male lions will kill cubs fathered by other males so the females will only rear their cubs. Nala is most likely Simba's sister
@@Goldenrod6901 unless the males are brothers. But that would mean nala is either mufasa or scar's daughter
Raptor draws well it still is a Disney fricken movie don't have to go that deep that could have just happen with out no killing
@@CosmicGlacier you're talking about a company that mafe scars fur lighter so they can be more accurate to real lion prides.
Im sure they intended simba and nala to be related. Just like they originally intended scar to mate with nala AND kept this in the play version.
If Nala was Mufasa’s daughter, she would become queen after Mufasa’s death and Simba’s “death”. (Kiara is first in line to the throne in Lion King 2)
She can’t be Scar’s daughter either, Simba banished all of Scar’s cubs between the first two films. Also, Scar is dark skinned while Nala is the most light skinned out of all the lions.
The skull‘s teeth don‘t even fit to a lion.
So well…
Zootopia is the sequel of Lion King's alternate universe where Scar abolished the Circle of Life
where'd you get that?
I honestly cant wait for The lion king 2019
Same! The Lion King is my favorite Disney movie of all time, so I'm really excited for the live action! The only thing is is that Disney's CGI kind of takes away from the animated emotion and relies on their voice actors to fill in that emotion. Also, there are rumors that Scar's character will be changed and he could possibly be albino, which I don't want to see. The last thing is that I think it is going to be an almost exact copy of the original, so nothing creative. Other than that, I'm excited to see how it turns out!
Roaring Lions Word!
James Earl Jones is going to be Mufasa again. So you know it'll be good.
Too bad the guy who originally voiced Rafiki died.
JAMES EARL “MUTHA F*****G” JONES
So basically Simba & Nala are cousins for sure, because Saraphina & Sarabi are sisters, as Nala's dad could have been a passing lion.
Simba and Nala had a child tho....
me: **gAsP** SPILL THE TEA SIS
If they were related the Child would be retarded
That Zazu thing was too dumb to repeat.
1. He kinda hates Scar throughout, says he should be a rug, and never relents.
2. He seems to REALLY care about the Monarchy, again at the end when Nala and Simba have a cub.
3. Dude gets tortured by the hyenas.
4. Anyone get knocked out by something you didn’t see? You don’t backtrack to the instant you get knocked out, anyone who has blacked out from drinking knows you can erase sober memories. And in a high, high, high stress situation, say watching your king try and save your prince, everything is likely a hyper-emotional blur of no memories.
5. The STUPIDEST point is the Polonius facet. Polonius conspires AFTER the death of the king, and spies on hamlet as his contribution. So we’re to assume Scar asks Zazu to spy on the assumed-dead Simba, who, if he was known to be alive, would be nowhere near Pride Rock, literally a long run montage away, and Zazu is to do this from a bone cage in the same room as Scar, just a little further from the opening of the cave.
This video isn’t bad but that one point went from intriguing to inane too quick.
I had a theory that maybe Scar wanted Nala as his queen (based on a cut scene), but when she refused, he named Kovu his heir.
In an old version of tlk, scar wanted nala to be his queen but then they changed it to scar wanted sarabi to be his queen.
However he also wanted Sarabi as well
Here's a dark theory regarding the Lion King that I've heard about. When Nala found Simba she didn't leave the Pridelands of her own free will. She was exiled by Scar. Scar raped Nala and she gave birth to Vitani(from The Lion King 2) as a result. To make sure Nala didn't tell anyone he exiled her and stole her cub giving Vitani to Zira to raise. When Simba took over Nala basically forgot she even had a cub and as a result Vitani was raised in the Outlands with all the lions that Simba exiled because of their loyalty to Scar.
damn...
Hm nice theory
Omg
I was watching the lion guard one day and in one episode, the song said “danger on the left, danger on the right” while the animation shows Zazu flying circles around Simba and Nala.
Scar had a tough life
But that doesn't mean that he could do what he did.
The Zazu theory is debunked by so many things that I don't even know where to begin.
Pumba told Timon about Simba growing and being on their side and Timon jus copied him and made it his idea
I always thought they were balls of gas burning billions of miles away
Pumbaa is pretty smart
The skull is a baboon skull, which is still terrible as their is no doubt Rafiki knew that person.. BUT! Another dark theory..Most Lionesses give birth to multiple cubs and only one or two reach adulthood. Odds are Simba was ONE of many who died along the way. Maybe that explains why we never heard about Kion other than in the TV series. He didn't end up making it to adulthood.
Or kion had enough of the kingdom and risking his life fighting scar so he took the high road and left just before the scene in the movie where kiara is all grown up.
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LOL, good one, bro.!!!
I think number 3 the skull 💀 is a baboon
Wrong
By far scar is my favourite Disney villain.
Blowminded
Zazu, good example of double agent
Scar the good guy/not a cannibal fighting for Hyena s'rights. Mufasa eater of his subjects
Also, in regards of Zazu being guilty of working with Scar, it seems that Zazu does not care about watching the cubs that Simba and Nala have later on. In both The Lion King 2: Simba's Pride and The Lion Guard, how come whenever Kiara and/or Kion get into trouble, Zazu is never there to help them?! Zazu probably is a traitor.
One thing is certain - nothing is too dark or wicked when it comes to the occult empire of Disney. Great vid. :)
I love the Lion King! I CAN'T WAIT for the Live Action remake!!!😀
The hype is real. It's going to be so amazing!
Isaiah Prince No I'm NOT lying. Some of the previous Disney live action movies where actually good like ALICE IN WONDERLAND and THE JUNGLE BOOK. Lion King LIVE action will possibly become more popular than Ralph Breaks the Internet!!
You are either under the age of 15 or gay
Death Are you calling ME gay?? If you are, if you mean that I am HAPPY that the Lion King Live Action is coming, then YES I am happy.
AND I am 23. You are NEVER to old for Disney. Disney is for EVERYBODY.
@@The-Almighty-Whitey Oh you said something about yourself? good job!
For everyone: if someone is saying something bad about a person, doesn't say something about that person but about the one who said it ;)
Simba and Nala are second cousins. Closest common relatives Mohatu is the most common Lion king family tree.
I am so proud of you. You referenced the best movie on earth that many don’t know. Well done.
Nah, I think Zazu is just like "FML"
Theory for The Lion King II: Zira killed Koopa, Simba's first born.
No wait her father is another lion not mentioned named senzou
Zazu was playing the game of thrones
Zazu doesn’t deserve the pain. He if gets treated horribly for nothing, he has the right to be mad at them.
Okay yeah childhood officially RUINED!!!!
Sorry about that :)
Here's my dark theory: Timon and pumbaa don't actually care about simba. they make it clear to each other early on that they are only adopting him so that they could have a lion to serve as a bodyguard. And when Simba goes off with nala, they both start crying. maybe they are genuine tears, but it could also be that they're just sad that they lost their bodyguard. The contradiction to this theory is that they fought to help Simba reclaim his homeland, but that could also just be self-serving. they probably realized that if they were the best friends of the new lion king, that that would increase their position in life. So even their seemingly selfless acts have an actual selfish purpose.
An Interesting Point🤔🤔🤔
Kind of like how sid from ice age only followed manny so that he could have protection from predators and Enemies even manfred knew this
If Zazu was a traitor that effectively means the animals that helped Simba go to the Elephant Graveyard in “I Just Can’t Wait To Be King” are also helping Scar
On the ending of the 4th theory, in the TV show that focuses on Simba's son, it is revealed that the leader of the Lion Guard can do a weather controlling roar, so a lion could do something about a drought (although Scar likely didn't have that kind of power)
Interesting!
Arctic Dino | Scar actually lost that power because he used the Roar ( that’s what it’s called ) for evil.
@@companyk19th I know. I was mostly just joking about what he said on how a lion couldn't control the weather
DAUGHTER!!! not son DAUGHTER!!!!!
@@inkbendy3524 No, we are talking about the TV show that follows Simba's SON, his daughter is from the MOVIE
Simba and nala, most likely, are cousins, since science has shown that ofspring with ones cousin does nog have negative side affects (still disgusting incest though)
Funfact: I met the person who voices the baboon with the staff Shes a great person and i see her every Tuesday!
And yes, the actor is she.
The Zazu one is crazy. Sounds true.
HOW CAN SCAR HAVE KIDS WITH ZERA WHEN HE DIED BEFORE HE MET HER
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Scar didn't die before he met Zira. He met her at some point while he was still alive.
When scar got the mark of evil mufasa made fun of him
Thats obviously a baboon skull just saying