A Bigger Gun: Kron Class Destroyer
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- Today we take a in depth look at the klingon Kron Class destroyer. taking over the role of monitor from the K'tinga, and making use of modern technolgies and design techniques from the Vorcha and Negh'var in a smaller more compact spaceframe. but does this smaller destroyer stand out next to its larger cousins?
Special thanks to Captain Ben Sisko from the Armada 2 Modding community.
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Kron is a much better example of the statement, "It just works." Kinda funny what happens when Gowron stops making dumb choices....
A nice Destroyer counterpart to the Vor'cha cruiser.
So the Kron is the Klingon "Run and Gun" sniper. It would have been quite a boon if it was in the war earlier & in greater numbers.
And to be fair to the Negh'var, while a vanity project, at least it didn't have the Yamato/Bismark-type mistake like the Hutet.
Wasn't the captain of the Hutest none other than Gul Jabba?
I really wouldn't want to face a Negh'var if I have to defend against a heavy orbital assault....
Yeah the neghvar is a good seige weapon and the Voodeigh is a very good battlecruiser.
@@venomgeekmedia9886is the Voodeigh its own class of ship? If it is, what’s different between the two
@@scpguy1381 Its basically a Negh'Var without the Siege Guns or if it does have them, it only has one, and its spinally mounted. Frankly, you would probably need a Galaxy class to have a fair chance at tackling that thing.
I do liked the lore about the Kron class and how it fits in Klingon Fleet Battles in Dominion War.
However, this is just me, but I think I spotted a rear torpedo launcher in the middle of the four impulse engines at the rear of ship at 10:32 of the video, so it gives the Kron class three forward torpedoes launchers and one rear torpedo launcher.
I love the synopsis of the Klingon empire that’s just “take the biggest gun you have, *they will have a bigger one* “
"Pull the lever, Kronk!"
Wait wrong movie, but I couldn't help it. The Kron class is at least pretty cool. Does seem to inherit the design layout of a K'Tinga. I wonder how would a refined Negh'Var would stand up against the Jem'Hadar Dreadnought?
I would like to see a comparison video on these Ships to see which is better.
THE VOYAGER.
THE KRON.
THE SONA BATTLESHIP.
THE BREEN CHEL BOALG WARSHIP.
Respect and keep up the epic work.
I believe in the klingon/ cardassian war . The episode were worf is court martialed. We see a d7 in service attacks the convoy with brell birds of prey . ( out of mouthballs ) as well
Ktinga but yes.
I really like the saying that goes something like this
The Bigger the Gun, the smaller the gungster...
otherwise
"instinct favors the phaser, Wisdom fights with the Bat'leth "
Awesome starship class.
And the kron would share that data with norways allowing all monitors to aware of the battle space
i love how uncomplicated klingon ships are they pick a design and they stick with it😊
Whoot, whoot, a new episode... on a big GUN! (Christmas came a little early)
I think the ka tinga was dependent on its escorts and both the freedom and the Norway when coming under attack
0:50 I have no idea what this romulan ship is, and I found you when the planet assault video popped up in my yt feed
Kerchan class Battleship. He has a Wings of Romulus video about it.
"Worf! Son of Mo'gh! I cannot lie, and my brother, Kern! cannot deny!!!"
Dominion: Space A-10 isn't real. It can't hurt you.
Klingon Kron class: (maniacal laughter)
I was doubtful at first, but Kron grown on me, I really like it.
I still think he's too hard on the K-ting-a. The empire already had lots of them; they were of a typical, presumably time-tested Klingon layout; and, it seems to me that if you retrofitted them with the best possible technology (in as many areas as possible), and, attached some ablative armor to their hulls, they'd make for formidable assault-groups or close-in defense-groups. [and, if you were still around after their initial assault, they could 'wave goodbye to you' with their aft torpedo-launchers after they'd passed-you-by]
I hadnt heard romulan curtyean and dont know what it is. I came here because of your Drach collaberation but stayed/subcribed because of the quality of your videos.
Love it.
Great vid as always.
Thanks Mike.
Interesting video and Lore. Thank you, although I didn’t wonder about this types of weapons I never expected you to do a video. I should’ve known better…😀
I love it. It looks like a Vor'cha with extra steps lol.
Sounds a bit like the Maller from Star Fleet Battles and Fed and Empire.
Pack the biggest possible gun onto the fastest and smallest possible chassis is such a Klingon thing.
MORE KLINGONS!!!!!!!!
Another fan design
Well, fans are the reason for Star Trek still being around. Filling in the voids that in Alpha Canon seem to not care about.
Absoloutly plenty of other channels Cover alpha canon. im always more intrested in the wierd and wounderful beta and fan designs.
K'Tinga still seems like a worthy back line ship to me. Orbital bombardment as well. It can cloak, and has a BFG -- sounds perfect for asymmetrical warfare.
Yeah Ktinga remains in service until the end of the war. Kron would just take on the jobs it struggled with.
So I'm a big Star Wars, 40k fan, and your channel got recommended to me through your Dominion War videos.
I have no idea whatva romulan curtain is, but it looks neat.
Welcome aboard
If you want to learn about the Kerchan, Venom has a whole video about it.
It's unclear if the idea of retrofitting the Class has been previously discussed. However, it seems like a good option, given that the Klingons have been doing it with the Bird of Prey for many years. The K'tinga used to be the flagship of the Empire, and it's likely that they would reuse and upgrade its hull and sensors, similar to how Starfleet did with the Constitution and Miranda classes. It doesn't make sense to discard such a venerable and legendary design.
THIS is how Klingons should design warships! It’s simultaneously very aggressive and Klingon without being dumb
Yet another video I haven’t seen from the past…algorithms are so weird.
Seems like the Klingon equivalent of the Defiant. Small, fast and with a massive gun
I wonder what “glory points” does a warrior gets for basically sniper tactics back at home, especially needing escort keeping more warriors out of direct battle
While the Kron seems like a fine ship and is it better than a 100 year old design, I certainly hope so. Should it have been built designed and built sooner, without a doubt. Look at the real world navies in WWII ships that were very old and should have been sent to the breakers were brought back into service (early destroyers). They were both used for the same reason, they needed the numbers.
Was the Negh'Var a vanity project or a project that was needed but rushed into service before it was ready, the Prince of Wales still have construction workers onboard during the hunt for the Bismarck and look at the German Panther tank as well? And I can see the that ship being given too much priority but the Romulan D'deridex warbird had just shown itself. And I could see the B10 battleship going into service with the larger house fleets and the Negh'Var keeping them inline as well.
The Klingon fleet reminds me of the Russian military. The focus is on quantity over quality. Throw enough ships, and warriors at an enemy until they are defeated. Their ships may be superior but they lack the numbers which means in a long and drawn out war they eventually lose. This may work against the Federation, or Romulans but the perfect counter to the Klingons is the Dominion. Their cloned soldiers, and ability to crank out ships like crazy means they fight like the Klingons but are better at it.
Is there any chance that they came up with this ship later because they didn't have the technology. What I mean by that is you know advancements in technology get smaller and does the same job maybe they didn't have the small version of the big gun to even build this till later on.
thanks for making this video, I know you've already covered the hutet but would you be willing to also cover other ships from the game dominion wars?
So looking at the layout and capability of this ship, it looks like that an equivalent in alpha strike firepower for the Federation would be something in the Galaxy/Nebula range? I guess this is what can be done when you strip away all auxiliary systems.
40k on lance phasers:
"D'aaaawww... They're trying to emulate our Lance-Battery technology!!"
man i miss battlefleet gothic (Tabletop)
Nice great information
I consider the Kron justna cheaper vorcha which is also smaller i think it should have a lance phaser under the disrupter moudule and i think it should also have 3 torpedo lauchers 1 under each wing and 1 aft launcher i think that would make a more powerfull and effective warship but if you think differently debate me
Great ship break down as always.
One question though. Aside from the main disruptor cannon at the from does the Kron class have any other secondary disruptor emplacements on the hull or is the main disruptor the only one?
none that are observable although they might have a light AFT canon. but realistically thats not gonna do anything if there's a jem'hadar fighter on your 6
I can't get over how Vasad is too big! The windows are too large for 360 meters. You can see that at 4:43 with K'T'inga.
Enough ranting, good video.
its the number given here: fasaststcs.com/index.php/thefleets/cardassian-fleet/vasad-class-ix-destroyer/
however the model was made by Ryselle 3D who might have had their own ideas on scale
Cheers
'This is war, a game we Klingons play to *win* !'
How does ds9 era mirenda class compared to ds9 era t'tinaga?
both were de-rated. Miranda became a destroyer and served in light formations with ships like the defiant and saber. while less agile than a Jem'hadar fighter it still had a respectable armament.
So do you think a Kron and four K'Tingas could disable or overcome a Hutet class warship in a single volley if they had to engage one from afar as part of a Klingon task force?
As part of an ambush, sure. Hit the warp engines and it is effectively mobility killed on a galactic scale.
In a face to face battle, no. The Hutet has a longer reach and hits harder.
These are two tactical extremes, so the answer is somewhere in the middle.
imagine being the klingon who developed the Kron and had to pitch the design without being killed
Cause he killed everyone who would kill him, first! Though that would be a very Tzeentch thing. Unless he challenged them all to honorable combat. Oh wait...wrong Khorne. Shit. Which universe am I in? I took a Warp Rift and....did I end up in another Universe?
I'm most surprised that it includes 'giant lifeboat' in it. Klingons don't seem the type to put a priority on crew survivability and recovery, even with the immense attrition they've taken in the Dominion War. So boggling that even a new ship includes contingencies for orderly crew survivability and recovery after battle.
Cultures periodically rethink things you never thought they'd challenge 🤷🏻♀️
It's an "attack" ship - not a "combat" ship. It seems more useful as a strike ship more than slugging it out like a Galaxy or Dominion battleship.
It's too big to be classed as an attack ship. And it's best used to engage bigger enemy ships at range
So which is the better long range artillery ship for Klingons, Kron or Vor'kang?
Both are good and really work well together. The kron brings disruptors the vor kang torpedoes. I wouldn't say one is better than the other.
I got that at the house (the toy).
Kron is a cool little ship.
A much better Monitor then K'Tinga was, not that it's hard to be K'Tinga was a century old, but it also became somewhat Defiant like when it's going for those close in strikes.
It's able to bring heavy hitting firepower in at close range, which a B'Rel typically can't do. It's a combination that nothing else in the KDF could do.
But I feel like your commentary on the K'Tinga is a little off balance.
It certainly was an outdated ship that should of been replaced, much like Miranda or Excelsior.
But unlike Miranda an Excelsior, the KDF put more effort into giving it an appropriate backline role, and it's not the fault of the K'Tinga if 6 BoPs can't intercept some fighters well enough for the K'Tinga to finish off.
I don't really accept the Fire control system example either, especially since in space all motion is relative.
I'll also add that the battle of DS9 is a bad example to use to assess the strength of the Klingon fleet. Ask yourself, Who was giving the orders to the fleet? Hint; Not Gowron.
good points. certainly its better adapted than miranda since the klingons put more modern ships between the K'tingas and the enemy. perhaps i've overlearned recent lessons regaurding legacy equipment. end of the day a ship is a ship and adds to your fighting ability
I wonder if the Kron could also replace the Kamarag.
The Kamarag serves as more of a light cruiser. And is used where a vorcha is not needed but a larger ship is.
@@venomgeekmedia9886 Don't the Kron ll and Kamarag have a very similar mass. I know what the Kamarag is used for and to me with the main gun able to switch to pulse fire it could be used in the same way.
If the K'tinga is supposed to be a long-range artillery ship at this time, then why on Earth did we see three of them charge to pretty much point-blank range to blast away at DS9?
Shouldn't they have hung back and fired from afar? Did their captains just get swept up in the bloodlust and forget what their role was supposed to be?
Klingon captains don't like sitting back, they really can't help themselves XD
@geekiusmaximus1882 Yeah, that's the only explanation that really makes sense. It was early into the "K'tinga as monitor" program, some captains hadn't yet recognized the importance of following the new doctrine, and mistake were made.
Yes. And a lot of the Ktinga captains would have been veterans and thus used to them as if it was still the 23rd century
"Lance disrupter"
A lance is a very specialised weapon. Being a heavy disruptor is what allows it more flexibility
Why do so many non-federation ships tend to have long skinny necks? They always look like weak spots that ought to be targeted.
The two reasons I've heard:
1-the power generation in the back of the ship gives off radiation so the majority of the crew sleep up in the front far away
2-the long & skinny neck is a weakness. Therefore, its more dangerous to turn away from an enemy, and less dangerous to head directly at them. This should fit well w/klingon ideology, where cowardice is rewarded with an enemy broadside.
Because they arent broadsiders
The early design philosophy came from the idea that keeping modules separated was a crucial safety measure; later on, the usual idea was that once your shields were down, any shaped ship was screwed.
A long neck can also improve the arc/coverage of sensors and prow weapons.
Ah yes, that blasphemous video saying the K'Tinga sucks
Really, the K'Tinga out lived its usefulness. It had its time and very outclassed. It was outclassed the moment it left drydock. Still, it is a good patrol ship for a defense policing force, but not good for real warfare. I can see a K'Tinga being used as a command ship for military police force. Orbiting around a planet, monitoring the surface and forces, while dealing with issues in space and acting as that big stick when some smuggler things they can bully some Bird of Prey. That is my view.
I like that idea