Sooo….. What does the DNA Prove??? | Book of Mormon Evidence
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- Опубліковано 12 вер 2024
- A question people sometimes ask
Does the church admit that there is DNA evidence?
Some who believe in the MesoAmerica theory say that the lack of DNA evidence in the Native Americans discredits the heartland theory, are they right???
Join us as we go through some of these hard questions, and wrap the DNA evidence in part 3 of 3.
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This was great. Thanks so much. I have one of the books you showed and will get the others. I find this so fascinating!
The names of Lehi’s family had strong Phoenician roots.
It wasn’t Nephi’s people who intermixed with the natives. It was the Lamanites.
In the beginning this was true. As time went on, many Lamanites(natives) joined and mixed with the Nephites. :>)
You need to reach out to David Midegah and get on the same page. The objibwa are opening up their past and you need to reconcile with them.
Reconcile??
@@lukeslc-xd8ds Put to right, bring together, patch up, merge, square, reunite, settle, resolve. Talk to the Native nations and get their perspective, basically. Seeing David Taylor (Midegah) is LDS he should be a good starting point to affirm the heritage/ DNA claims. Don't get caught up so much in your own narrative that you become as the professors, and scripture central, defending your own position rather than refining your thesis. :D
Rod needs to interview David Taylor (a.k.a Chief Midegah). That would be an interesting interview.
Update: Apparently, they are in an online feud. Something was said from Rod & they don't like each other now. 🤷♂️ Sad.
Chief Midegah seems like he has an axe to grind.
When a Native American or Latin American or European or African or any person in the world 🌍 understands that, every thing else will fall into place.
IMHO
Rod, I love your insightful analysis on DNA. However at 8:30 into this podcast you stated essentially that all of the Nephite descendants were completely wiped out and exterminated. That could not possibly be true.
2 Nephi 3:3
Lehi speaking to his son Joseph:
"Thy seed shall not utterly be destroyed."
Helaman chapter 4
Nephite dissenters and the Lamanites join forces
Throughout the Book of Mormon narrative Nephite dissenters were constantly going over to the Lamanite side.
Therefore you cannot rightfully state that ALL of the descendants of Nephi, Sam, Jacob & Joseph, ie, the good sons "were all exterminated in 400 AD".
ALSO, after the 200 years of peace following the Lord's Ministry among the people, the Nephites and Lamanites were divided according to their sociology and religion, NOT their race or ancestry.
See 4th Nephi vs:
17: "neither were there Lamanites, nor any manner of -ites; but they were in one, the children of Christ"
20: "a small part of the people who had revolted from the church and taken upon them the name of Lamanites; therefore there began to be Lamanites again in the land."
Verses 35-38
"there arose a people who were CALLED the Nephites"
"they who rejected the gospel were CALLED Lamanites, and Lemuelites, and Ishmaelites".
Therefore, I believe that the descendants of Nephi, Sam, Jacob & Joseph would have been essentially equally divided among those who CALLED themselves Nephites and those who CALLED themselves Lamanites.
A couple of things to keep in mind when that is said. He knows the Book of Mormon talks about Nephites dissenters. Also inheritance to a family line is matrilineal. So that plays a role in who can claim descendency from Nephi culturally. There may have been many that were still descendants from the patrilineal side but in their culture you follow your mother's line.
@@robs9964 and there are white "native Americans "
Rod, how can I get ahold of you?
You gotta grab him by the lapels :P
What was the streaming website mentioned?
www.bookofmormonevidence.org/streaming
@@BookofMormonEvidenceit proves that the Book of Mormon is nothing but lies, the Native Americans are not Hebrew Israelites they do not fit the curses
This is a very jargony, inside-baseball discussion only suited for people who already know the details. And if I already knew the details, I wouldn’t need to spend my time listening to this-so, thanks anyway.
I'm starting to wonder 🤔. Is it worth it? Trying to prove who is right? Won't we all know in the end. Yes this is all interesting but last night I heard name calling. Is this the beginning of another division of Gods children?
I don't understand why this is going on. I do understand that the only thing that matters is to know what Jesus has done for me.
I hear you and agree with the idea - if we're trying to prove who is right, that's not pleasing to God. For me however, it has a much different purpose. When my wife and I went to Israel, we had a deeply spiritual experience, connecting everything we knew to be true with the physical location. I was able to look around and envision where Christ taught the Sermon on the Mount, or healed the man at the pool of Bethesda, or where He was taken before Caiaphas (maybe). I entered the garden tomb and saw why Golgotha was called Golgotha. I saw a strong candidate for Peter's home and another candidate for the place (or somewhere very close) where John the Baptist baptized the Savior. We traveled to Mt. Arbel and I was able to connect a possible location for where Jesus would withdraw on occasion and pray to His Father. Not all of these sites are 100% verified. But all of them are very near or at the actual location of where they happened. I connected with Jesus Christ on an entirely different level.
I was able to do the same thing at Palmyra, Kirtland, Missouri (several spots) and Nauvoo. Each time, I gained a connection to the people, the stories, the sacrifices and the miracles that took place. My testimony was deeply impacted.
Maybe we'll never know exactly where these things from the Book of Mormon took place, while in this life. If that's God's will, so be it. You're right. We'll know in the end. But it would be AMAZING to be able to travel and see where the Nephites landed, where Nephi built a temple, where the Savior appeared and so on. It would have absolutely amazing impacts on the lives of millions of people. Is it worth it to learn the truth? I think so. But not to prove who is right. That doesn't matter at all.
During the 2002 Olympics some pharisiacal news reporter cornered Prs Hinckley with a "gotcha" question based on incomplete DNA research claiming the BoM was wrong and therefore our faith in Christ based on it and also The Church.
I don't blame Brother Rod Meldrum for taking up the challenge and debunking the claim with more complete science facts. He's done us a service.
I'm sorry the discussion gives you such anxiety. I don't think it's necessary for you to take a view making you feel so.
Hope you come to an understanding from The Spirit that brings you peace.
@@TheRealDonLayton I agree with everything you said. I have some experience about what you're talking about when I visited the Hill Cumorah and the sacred grove.
The other day I was watching another UA-cam channel and they called Bro. Meldrum a liar and that really put me off. I just hope Satan doesn't cause a divide in search of truth. One truth we do know is we are all Gods children and until we unite Will Zion come?
One reason is that wherever it took place, it is a covenant Land and a covenant people. These people need to know who they are and that they are under covenant🩵
@@jsteinagel5150 Love it, exactly right.
I recently noticed major evidence of other people already living where the Nephites arrived. In 1 Nephi 18:25 it says, "And it came to pass that we did find upon the land of promise, as we journeyed in the wilderness, that there were beasts in the forests of every kind, both the cow and the ox, and the ass and the horse, and the goat and the wild goat..." An ox is a castrated bull. In other words, somebody castrated it already.
Nephi also mentions both the goat and the wild goat, differentiating them from each other.
Something to consider noater where it all took place.
Hi Lou. Nice observation! Which brings to mind.... in biblical and BoM times... the ox didn't always refer to castration, especially in reference of being "wild". Bovine species that weren't generally used as domesticated cattle were also called the ox.
Hebrew),[citation needed] "wild ox", "wild bull", "buffalo" .....
Although I agree that there were already some indigenous people present when Lehi's party landed... the castrated domestic ox was not referred to as being wild. That would mean a lot of escapee castrated male cows with a life span of 15 - 20 years, running around the countryside at the same time to be considered existing in the wilderness and not at home on the farms. IOW... castrated bulls cannot reproduce castrated bulls, or cows for that matter, for a reality in time of a wilderness full of castrated Oxen. :>)
I've always perceived 1 Nephi to imply that the Nephites brought some domesticated goats, the ass, the cow and maybe a horse or two and while journeying through the wilderness they also discovered wild native goats as well as wild horses(at least some gone wild left over from Jaredite occupation) and the wild bison(ox) too. Likely Jaredite remnants of cattle gone wild could be included as wild ox or any combination of crossbreeding the cow with the buffalo.
Thus... all the animals mentioned they did find upon the land of promise, as they journeyed in the wilderness.
Makes good sense to me. :>)
@@godsoffspring4195 I notice that ox is also differentiated from the cow. To me, that only makes sense if you are talking about domesticated animals. Do you see that differently?
@@loudogg73 I see it two ways. One is the domesticated castrated male cow/cattle and the other is Bovine species not generally used as domesticated cattle and are usually left wild. Such as.... the African water buffalo and there are others. American Bison would be another. The Nephites would consider them male and female, the wild ox because they are of the cow species that are not domesticated.
If you look up all the Bovine species there a number of untrainable or undesired groups that are considered to be wild ox.
"Aurochs, or wild ox. Kouprey, sometimes called wild ox. Banteng, or wild ox. Gaur, or wild ox. Re'em, a Biblical animal sometimes translated as wild ox."
Also, remember the Jaredites brought over cattle and I have no doubt that some became wild and can mate with Bison as well as the Jaredites probably crossbred domesticated beefalos. It's not beyond me to accept the Nephites might have also bumped into hybrid wild cattle as well as the American Bison that would all be considered the wild Ox. :>)
Omni 1:17 is strong evidence for multiple populations. The descendants of Mulek "their language had become corrupted". That doesn't happen in isolation. The opposite in fact. Indigenous tribes in Africa/Asia/the Amazon have preserved their languages by isolating from the outside world.
It doesn’t take another people to corrupt a language…just really poor execution/grammatical abuse of the mother language to ‘corrupt’ it!
It absolutely happens in isolation. It happens in 1 or 2 generations here in the US. Language is living and change happens in every culture. But I'd think Jacob 7:1 might be a possible evidence for other cultures.
@@TheRealDonLayton I'm genuinely interested to learn because from my research it definitely seems isolated tribes in Africa/Asia/the Amazon have preserved languages for thousands of years due to isolation. Maybe I'm not well versed In the latest research.
@@dondonh5243 I'd love to learn. Can you provide me with some examples? My research shows indigenous peoples in Africa/Asia/Amazon have preserved languages for thousands of years through isolation. There is research on language "drift" where over generations they may abbreviate words or other phrases come "into style" but not enough to alter a language so significantly that it would be a completely different language. I'd say from context clues in Mosiah and Omni the people of Mulek and their "corrupted" language was significant enough they had to prove they came from Jerusalem using Genealogy that's how corrupted their language was its like "hey we once spoke your language and we came from the same place " that and other context clues.
@@TheLastNameREnglish has changed significantly from its Germanic roots. Although not completely isolated, it is still developed on an island nation. Invaders helped shape the language, but many of the original words are recognizable only by study. There is a reason English is split up into Old, Middle, and Modern.
I think the problem is that the native know they are these ancient peoples but they don't feel as though they need to prove it. I want evidence because of all the people who have native blood need to know it but I also want to know tribes but not sure how to do that except through verbal accounts.
X haplogroup
Part of Lehi's group would have been diluted out of existence on Laman and Lemuel's side quite quickly as they were mixing with natives right from the get go. This also explains why the Lamanites greatly out numbered the Nephites from day one through rampant polygamy as well as Lamanite converts. It also explains why and how Lamanite children naturally developed dark skin.
Dark skin IS the evidence some of Lehi's party was mixing with another culture(s)
Offspring...go back and read your B of M. Per Jacob only Nephites were polygamists. Lamanites did not break the hearts of their wives with such behavior.
@@paulblack1799 Hi Paul... Ummm can you be more specific?? Be careful you aren't confusing Lamanites who later became righteous with the unrighteous ones some hundreds of years earlier that first landed in America. K?? :>)
🍿 Mormon fight brewin’ 🍿
@@mikespage0123 LOL... too funny. Your popcorn might get cold. 😆
Naw, youz Mormons are always fighting in the chat. 🍿
*God loved the (Nephites & Lamanites) so much he had Joe translate a pseudo language on an unknown yellow metal half the weight of Tumbaga using a brown stone in a hat, so that their ancestors who no longer have their DNA, can know that (Adam & Eve) were created in Jackson County, 6K years ago.*
You literally just went 0 for 6. Congratulations.
This is "paying it forward?"
Troll
Not much spiritual thought in that comment.
If you are coming to argue, at least know what the argument is about 🤣🤣