The problem is there is no longer a "healthy" balance of ship types, abilities, accuracy, etc. The grinds are harder, economics are abysmal... as a player from launch day, I never play random anymore. Operations and whatever the special mode is for the particular update is. The game needs a heavy rebalance and NEW MAPS for the love of god. Not redone with 4k textures. 100% all new maps. Feels like we have been playing the same 6 maps for 8 years.
I only joined about 2 years ago, but I also really don't like the Randoms....so economy is a challenge yeah, I have multiple lines with ships maxed out XP wise, but simply not enough credits to buy the upgrade
I’m not an og player, but played the game from 2017-2021. I got the Black, Musashi, Georgia and Nelson before they were removed. Came back this autumn and t8-10 is unplayable and therefore I stick to low tier ranked, operations and special gamemodes as they still have the same feeling as they did in 2017. Sure, subs are a pain and cvs can be too. But the eccence of the game is still there.
@@Flomotion8000 exp wise yes, no doubt, but credits is another story. I'm a unicum player but 100% f2p, not a penny spent on the game and it is tough at times. Not too long ago got myself Forrest Sherman and averaging over 100k in it, around 70% WR IIRC. With 160% credit booster on solid (100-150k dmg, couple of kills, caps) random game I can get like 400-500k after tax. And it is safe to say, that 99% of players aren't capable of being that consistent, so can't imagine how they do it. You just get stuck with what you have, as you can't afford to buy anything new. WG overlooked the economy big time.
took them near a century to release ONE new map (Seychellen) and then they make it a mid tier map so most players wont play it most of the time or at all
WG could solve it tomorrow if they wanted to. But they don't. Classic battle mode: Just surface ships, reduced XP and rewards Enhanced battle mode: Surface ships + Subs OR Surface ships + CVs, normal XP and rewards Full battle mode: Surface ships + Subs + CVs, bonus XP and rewards
They don't have enough players for that. Everyone would play "classic" and it would be like 90% bots playing "enhanced". Too many ppl have stopped playing
Nah I still comment and I haven't touched it in many years ;) I still watch for the salt, and sometimes you catch a replay where there are just a few babyboats, lots of cruisers and destroyers and not much else to interfere with 'fun'. @@MightyHuzarion
@@MightyHuzarion I still watch and support the youtubers. I still watch some of the old Warframe youtubers from time to time, but I haven't touched that game in 5 years or more
Last few years I have seen more and more CC, UA-camrs and others (streamers) say they do not play on Fridays and weekends now due to MM and the level of gameplay
Weekends are the worst And poor teammates are the number one most frustrating thing in the game IMO followed closely by completely busted MM that doesn't pair up equal skill level players EVEN in Ranked matches. There are too many people in the game that don't know the most absolutely basic shit like how hydro works, not sailing broadside to the enemy, not sailing in a straight line and other really really basic stuff. It's so bad that I can tell about 75% of the time whether a match will be a win or a loss based on how my team positions itself in the first two minutes of a match because so many of them don't understand the really really simple things like how decide which ships contest which caps in ranked battles. Over the holiday season it got SO bad that I even started having random operations go sour and THAT should never (or at least very rarely) happen.
@@MightyHuzarion I never do randoms anymore. Its just not worth it. Depending on the Naval Battle, its all Co-op to get those. Otherwise its anything but randoms
It's not even about subs or CVs only for me now, it's about horribly one-sided matches, huge amount of camping, being punished for pushing, old ships getting absolutely no attention and ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING MM system especially for higher ranks. WG just masking everything up by adding more and more BS events and lootboxes. Please, don't blame the players for not having fun anymore. This is not about saying haha you suck l2p noob, this is about WG making terrible decisions and purposefully frustrating players so they will buy something that would give them the edge. There are some things you just cannot influence, no matter how good you are.
Im so glad to hear this is a trend. I have been playing less and less. Often I play one game and log off because the one game was such a miserable experience. There are so many other great games out there. The economy has been squeezed more and more and I really pity new players grinding through the ship lines.
Same here. Sometimes i play one game and leave right after, because it was a complete steamroll. Had it today with arms race. Enemy team got all buffs maxed, reload, dmg, hp and we got 2 buffs for regen. It was so frustrating to play. We got crushed 0/10 and that is enough for the entire weekend for me. And its like 95% of all games are exactly that. Can't even bring myself to play at some days. Switched to 40k Darktide and have a good time. I would love another serious, FPS like BF 4 or maybe SWBF 2, but that's unfortunately not there.
Same here. I don't buy premium time because I don't want to be locked by this game. Normally, if i get free premium time, I usually play till i hit 2 daily coal crates before logging out. Right now I have 2 weeks of premium time, free from crates, i can't be bothered to play for the 2 daily crates like before. I much rather spend my time in Cyberpunk 2077 which i recently started playing.
I agree today's meta is not good. CVs, Subs, Hybrid ships are getting out of the hands. I think many old players already stopped playing because in Asian servers I can see lots of new players and yes matching making is also a problem I'm losing battles because my teammates doesn't know what to do with their ships. It would be good if WG will try to sit with community and listen what players wants. They also add modes such as brawls (but it would be good if players can choose which tier they want to play brawls) and same goes with ranked.
It annoys me how they don’t give a sh*t about the creative part about the game… no new maps, no new ship designs, just reskins of old models, it all got super boring. Why should I give them any money when they are literally doing the bare minimum?
Having to speed boost in a DD to run down a sub that can do warp 5 underwater is one of the most frustrating things that still exists in the present iteration of the game.
I'm agree. I launch a game and see all my team red (wows-monitor) and the enemy team green, blue and purple, then I know it's gonna be a hard time. And it happens so often I though WG were angry at me :D
They need to buff the North Carolina's AA fire. During WWII, she was well known for her AA fire. The first time she opened up, the other American ships thought she was on fire.
After the CV rework a long time ago. AA is no longer relevant in the game. you can damage planes and take a few planes out but with the way WG is pushing the CV's AA is no longer and will continue to be ineffective no matter what ship class you use
It really isn't. It's feeling more like a second job anymore. I log in on work days and play enough to get a container and get 20 battle pass points and on the weekend, I usually go head and get the second container and logout. I'll be doing the next dock yard though because Wisconsin. Closed beta player.
Ranked game yesterday. I, in a Warspite, accompanied a cruiser and DD, the moment the enemy shows they turn tail, leave me alone. I'm too slow to follow. I get taken out in 2 salvo's of a Fubuki and a U190 (?). I never even saw them. Dodge one set of Torps to be taken out by the second. No hydro, no nothing and gone from the game in no time.
At its core, this game is a rock, paper, scissor type of naval game, and that is what makes it fun. But then Wargaming started to mingle with this design by adding sniper rifles, bazookas, and other ridiculous ideas and classes, so of course the more ridiculous the game is becoming, the less fun it is.
mong. OP is right, and 'complexicity' has nothing to do with it. Cry harder, to complex.. that's why WeGreedy made all radars same length and range right? That's why WeGreedy wants to make all airspotting the same for destroyers right? 'To complex' lmao It's total bs that a class which is supposed to be a counter to something, be worse at doing exactly that as a class which historically was the most vulnerable to them ( re: sso aka submarine shaped objects being countered by BabyBoats most efficiently ). You know what was 'complex'? Alpha with stealth fire requiring you to work as a ffin team, with RTS cv's which actually had a choice to use fighters to stop enemy attacks ( even if it was more effective if you're good enough to use your fighters to make sure your own strikes get through ). Arcade BS like gamemodes with 'power ups' and BS like 'combat directives' in your views makes stuff 'complex', in normal people's mind it makes the game lose any and all possibility of immersion. @@quor2243
@@MarvinWestmaas i'm sorry, but you considering the rts CV as the superior version negates everything you said. you're an absolute idiot if you think the rts cv was in any way balanced or even reasonable.
The problem is WG loves Subs and CV’s when most the player base hates them That and the fact WG has been releasing pretty awful battle passes since January
As a player since the beginning, I agree with previous comment about the need for more maps -- and I wonder if it would be possible to have a random map generator -- basic graphics on randomly-generated islands, with some kind of algorithm that balanced the two sides either with pure symmetry or a system of equivalences (so that one side doesn't have an obvious initial advantage). Meanwhile, I don't have fun in the upper tiers anymore... but I do enjoy tiers 5-7, or otherwise I play ranked.
Subs ruined the game period. Game was already on a downward spiral with overpowered CVS and nerfing secondary bb accuracy and super ships have caused a lot of people to quit.
I play subs almost exclusively now, it nullifies the gimmicks (ap rockets, permaspot, 700 gun HE spam cruisers, radar everything, RNG fkery,etc) that keep getting added. Subs are hated because in the right hands, they're effective, but it's a high risk, high reward class. Make 1 mistake and you're dead.
Couldnt be further from the truth. Except CVs, subs are the most mistake-free classes in the game. Compared to a DD its almost laughable. And the latest "nerf" which added insane buff to their manouverability and limited the ASW dmg its even worse.
@@Carandraug1 You're really dumb if you think subs are "mistake free class" you get spotted once you'll have dept charges on you within seconds. How i describe subs is "Destroyers who can submerge into the water" It's literally just a destroyer with torps only. Play it like a destroyer and you find success like any DD. Stealth and spotting
Not sure i agree with that. I once managed to land 14 airstrikes on a submarine (before the damage nerf) and the damn thing was still alive, and of course it sank me.
One way to have a fun experience is to go back to lower tiers (T3 to T5). A lot less back sniping BBs, you are engaging in a much shorter distance. You dont have a lot of gimmicks to deal with & a lot less HE spam. However, T6 CVs & subs will still be a problem
It's subs and CVS but also so many people have walked that I'm seeing a huge amount of matches with the sides being 42% vs 46% total win rate and it is so borderline impossible to carry that level of potato across the finish line.
I used to play daily - but I've played less than 50 games since the great CV rework, and never since subs. I refuse to grind if the game is less than zero fun, or spend any new real money to try and stay in the same place. WoW moved from a business that was a fun game- to a racket. WoW does not want me as a player.
My enthusiasm died with subs but mainly the commander rework. I had 14 elite captains, 3 years of work. The xp to get to those 14 captains to 21 would be another 60%+ grind. Done
I uninstalled the game last night. It's NOT fun anymore. And no, I'm NOT going to play classes I personally think have ruined the game to try to find something resembling fun in the game again. And that's without even getting started on seemingly deliberately broken mechanics. Or the blatant cash grab aspect that just gets worse and worse.
When I started playing there were 2 countries and 2 of each type's trees. No SSs, No Tier XI and no CVs. There is no way gameplay from then would work now, for a start off, you rarely have 3 hulls to develop, back then was common, and at least 2 gun modules. Not to mention the whole premium vs normal consumables. But the phrase, the game isn't fun anymore, holds. With the CVs and the SSs and to a lesser extent Tier XI, this game is now more about punching down, rather than "fleet manoeuvres" which is how I had it in my mind's eye back then. I was always excited to get into game. Now, I just play ops, Asym battles and the occasional Airship thing. I have a growing pile of Warhammer 40k minis that are calling me, and pretty soon, unless something changes, they and I will become very happy in each other's company.
I have been playing since closed beta and I remember when the game took that turning point for the worse. The slippery slope began when we first started to see these OP premium destroyers being released almost every week. That was the start of a cycle of awful changes; - Influx of OP premium DDs - CV rework - Russian line containing some disgustingly OP ships that never even existed (both prem and not) - Submarines which basically add two more DDs to each match and ruin MM - Commander rework (that really screwed people over big time!) - Hybrid ships which essentially give the other time an extra CV in some cases - Removal of weekly operation for more rewards (and forcing us to play awful ones like Cherry Blossom, Hermes, and Naval Station Newport) - Operations being listed as "random", but getting 'Cherry Blossom' 4 - 5 times in a row... - WG implementing RNG nerfs against you at the start of a game like winners have already been picked (don't tell me it doesn't happen, it sure feels it. I fired a full broadside from a BB into a Perth's broadside and got a richo in ranked...) - Did I already mention the Russian bias and how most of their ships never existed yet are some of the best in game? - Stacked MM (debatable but I've seen many people complain about the state of teams they're put in) I'd love to hear more lol
I’m an older player I have every ship in game. I used to play every night after work and every weekend when I could. Lately I play maybe 1 time on the weekend after some Tarkov. It’s sad I still love the game but cv subs and all the over pens on broadside ships is just frustrating. All the artillery bugs drive me insane lately lol
My last game on WoWs was a shimakaze. The cv spent basically the entire game trying to keep me perma spotted and making blind airstrikes in my smoke while I took the occasional potshot from enemy team. Did I eventually die yes? Did the CV lose out on a lot of potential damage? Yes. Did my team win? No. Did I have fun? Not then or a while before that. I'm done.
When there are no subs in the match, no CVs, and you are not double up-tiered, then the game can be really fun. But, sadly, those matches are all too rare.
I played this game in Beta and am recently getting back into it. Ultra light cruisers are my forte. Atlanta is my #1 ship played, followed by Minotaur, Worcester, and Des Moines. Grinding research points for Colbert by going through the Harugumo line is a bit of a pain but at least they're close to my preferred playstyle. Actively avoiding any competitive playlist so I can just pick targets and hold LMB without really caring about subs or CVs. One new-to-me feature I like is being able to just "battle on" with the same ship from the death screen without having to wait for the battle to end.
They could EASILY balance subs and CVs to be in line with every other class, but they simply don't care, they only care about $$$ and the game seems still too healthy for them to react.
That's not MM stacking, that's more the importance of spotting targets worth shooting. Lose a DD early, team backs off and enemy takes the better position and rains down fire.
@@chrisschack9716 Riigght.. The MM is stacked to put the majority of shitters in the match on one team. Just look at people's profiles after a match. People with 200 or 300 games played in T10 with win-rates in the 40's or below are stacked into the same team
I started back when the Italians BBs were in early access. Skip to today, I can't even have fun in Colombo after unlocking it and mostly played ships that were "meta".
The game just isn't fun for me and it isn't just because of subs or CVs, it's all the layers on the frustration cake, it's the MM putting too many AA ships in one side, having no planes to shoot down in a AA build ship making it borderline useless, radar ships making DD plays almost impossible, people complaining to the DD for not spotting/pushing up while not understanding they are being radared (bonus frustration if the complainers are in radar ships themselves), RNG being BS about 85% of the time and base credits gain being abysmal unless having premium time, premium ships and/or a godlike game. Of course those are just some of the annoyances and frustrations that come to mind right now and if they were isolated it probably wouldn't be too bad, but they are not, they stack on top of each other making the experience worse and in turn making the game just less and less fun until a breaking point.
I personally have absolutely no problems with subs but CVs are an absolute pain, especially as a DD and BB Main who plays subs from time to time. I would even welcome that every ship gets the opportunity to equip the sub surveillance system. CVs are the big problem, they completely break the spotting system and they don’t have to risk anything in return. Sure they (thankfully) don’t deal as much damage as they used to do but the ability to perma spot with the fighter consumable is just unfair.
BTW, i may be half joking here but..... I would not be surprised if WG eventually adds Anti Ship Missile armed ships at some point. Like late 1940s early 1950s Missiles. Ya know that weird transition era after WW2 that lead into the Cold War where Cruisers would have 2 guns in the front and missile batteries where the 3rd turret would normally be. Like their are SOOOO many DDs and Cruisers they could add. Even add a modernized USS Missouri.
Personally, I don't think it's just the ships and getting used to a new Meta. A lot of time, on the EU server at least, you have people who just play to make the guns go "brrr". They rush a full health BB with cruisers, they go alone against 6 ships, W key Schlieffens, Submarines who can't hit a target or who are at 60m the whole match, CVs who cant land rockets/bombs/torpedos, etc. And we are talking people with thousands of games. It feels like they are playing WoWS with one eye on the monitor and one eye watching soccer, but then raging hard in chat about how they had no support. I am sitting at a nice and stable 57/58% winrate and unicum PR, but a friend who is getting into the game is disgusted by the playerbase, because his team is, when I'm not there to rescue it, usually full of oxygen thieves who play simply to have noise in the background. So no matter how well he plays, he often loses. Sure that happens on both sides, but it's infuriating. The balance is... well, WarGaming balance. Sometimes the matchmaker stacks ships and squads on one side, having gold clans in groups of 3 doing Musashi things and the other side has nothing. Oh yeah, another prime thing, which we also saw in your video with the Hood, is AFK players. Lots of em.
I NEED YOUR ADVICE SEA LORD !!! I'm looking at my next coal ship. I have the Black, Kurfurst, Napoli, Groningen, Agir & Azuma. I play BB's, CL's, and DD's. Trying to chose between the F. Sherman, and Salem or any of the other T 10 ships. Where would you go with this. Advice from other viewers may help. Please leave your comments. Thank you.
If you gave Des Moines, then I'd skip the Salem. F Sherman looks like it has a somewhat niche game play. I'm still grinding for my 1st coal ship. Any suggestions on what to get first?
It should be for fun, but way too many people take it way too seriously. In some cases it’s the super meta player who knows every little detail and every map. They crush anyone trying to play casual. Then there are those who think that they know how to sail everyone else’s ships better and they spend more time in chat trying to tell everyone else what to do than they do sailing their own ship. In short, for me it has nothing to do with them adding aspects of naval warfare that are over 100yrs old (subs and cvs) it has everything to do with the players.
I mean if they had less shit mechanics liie subs and cvs peoples could play more casual How tf is anyone meant to wnjoy a game when cv focuses on you or same with a sub?
Oh and I forgot to mention the players that cannot stop complaining about subs and cvs. Maybe go play an age of sail game. Are you also the player that always ends up on the losing team because of how much your team sucks? And lets chat know through the whole match how much their team sucks? Cruel Cruel fate to always be with bad players, never you.
@caseyo6033 wouldnt that logic be telling cv players to go play war thunder? I'm just saying most people agree subs and cvs suck ass It's not really up for debate, it's just up to you if you want to be part of the minority that are in denial And I have a 54% WR I know I'm average- not great most of the time but even losing is fun aslong as you leant along the way and aren't being a complete idiot
@@00spinz35 HAHAHAHA The WR guy is another great example of shitty players ruining the game (And because you seem dense) No one cares what your WR is, other than the players who make the game suck
It's just so broken now in so many different places. cv's infinite planes, subs shotgunning, MM making 1 side with many skilled players. the list goes on. Before there was 1 or 2 issues, now it almost every tier and class has a problem they created by pouring more and more OP ships into the mix. without any attempt to fix current issues. fixing issues doesn't pay, bringing out a new ship does. thats the problem
The biggest problem is the meta to sniper/timid game play that took over Random mode four-five years and WG has not been able (or willing) to push the meta to something more engaging. Made worse by the match making system that still stack teams, mostly by ship ability or even just ship types. As stated before, this is why you see so many people in co-op daily or in asymmetric battle types when its available. Yes ships are content in the game, but where are the new maps, why are newer game modes on limited runs instead of being always available? (Side note Mainz also is a cruiser without ASW planes, had similar issue against a sub lately.)
Another bonus for playing all the lines is realistic expectations on what they can actually do. You don't ask a New York to go from attacking at A to help cap C. Also, just understand that if you play a carrier, destroyer, or sub, you are choosing to play one of the "hunted" classes. The same thing goes for the "lone flank guy".
The fun is gone not because I am unable to learn nowaday's meta, in fact I understand it pretty well. The fun is gone because WarGaming shoehorned in classes that do not fit the core game at all and cannot be fought reasonably. The fun is gone because you're getting matched against a Black or Småland in your torpedo boat in high tier games (on top of the many radar cruisers ofc). The fun is gone because HE spam is so bad nowadays that playing aggressively in your Battleship is going to get you killed in a matter of minutes. All in all, the game has become way to uniform across all types and tech trees, there is not much left of the rock-paper-scizzors concept that made it so great in the olden days. Not that all was good back then, but every ship at least had a distinctive playstyle or role that set it apart from other ships. Sure, I could simply whittle down everything with HE and sit back in my Battleships or skill my Shimakaze to be a gun boat (which is a surprisingly strong build). But I choose not to do that anymore because it's boring and well... not fun.
Beta player here. Back in the day, I feel that the game offered a pretty good "rock-paper-scissors" mechanic, things were not ideal (RTS CVs were a PAIN in the butt, but somewhat rare IIRC), but it worked pretty well. I'm a cruiser player, always loved this class, which live and die by their concealment, and this was possible to open a crossfire by sneaking on a flank if I wanted to! Now, with all the planes and sub, you cannot do that anymore. And it's just an example. These were fun times. I logged in during last winter to get snowflakes, purchase some containers and get the Defence, didn't even play the boats I dropped during the event (even got the Enterprise), and didn't log into the game since. This game was really appealing to me, not anymore. I got back into Diablo 3 with my buddies intead :)
I started playing.... what 7 years ago (like 2017.... I THINK), The game has most certainly changed since then. And i Can't say im a fan of it anymore, Carriers have been reduce to "Farming" simulators, they are both UNFUN to play and OPPRESSIVE to surface vessels. also AA Feels USELESS unless its a "new" ship that was introduced AFTER the CV rework. Submarines have their issues, but effectively they are just NEW Torpedo DDs, My only issue with subs is how hard they are to FIND, but with Cruisers getting Sub Surveillance that will solve the issue. Heck I don't think iv actually PLAYED in like a year or more, just been logging in for daily rewards. I HATE High Tier gameplay (welcome to Navel Trench Warfare), Also ya know Super Ships are now a thing (so much for being TOP TIER at tier 10 am i right!). Iv played Mid Tier to DEATH and are now bored, and no one Plays Low tier obviously so its mostly BOTS. Guess i should play OPERATIONS more often and maybe play the special modes when they appear. Not to mention...... The game has just become "Insert Gimmick Line number 10,000" as far as new ships go. I want to say that started with the FRENCH, but im not sure. The US, Japanese, German, British and to a slightly lesser Degree the FRENCH navy are all relatively "good navys" with their own Flavor. EVERY OTHER NATION/LINE that has been introduced is a GIMMICK line.
I've been pissed since the commander rework that made me regrind for months to get back some elite commanders. I also figured out real quick the rework just changed skills to indirectly nerf ships like Atlanta. The homing torps are totally out of balance in the game and there are just too many ships with torps now, including BBs, so you can't even have fun brawling another BB without getting torped... I'm running into times where multiple HE hits on things as lightly armored as a DD don't even register. That is the short list.
Excellent commentary. The old cliché rings true, "if your having trouble fighting a class of naval ship, play it" and learn its pros and cons. Then you will remember when you meet one in battle how best to counter. WWII was filled with change from 1940 to 1946 and each nation was constantly changing designs, tactics, and modifications to existing ships, the fact WG has made this game the same they are really mirroring history.... to a degree as it is just a game.
I play legends and all the different classes on multiple country lines. I have found it very helpful having played these ships when going against them.
I have an Arkansas Beta ship. That might tell you how long I have been around lol. I remember how exciting it was to finally have a game dedicated to warships. Some things have gotten worse, some have gotten better and I avoid playing random games anymore because it isn't much fun.
Trying to suggest that players need to adapt to the ever evolving mess that the developers are making of a once incredibly enjoyable game is hilarious. It is the job of the developers to maintain and improve the experience, not add nonsense that nobody wants in the name of more cash at the expense of everything else. This is not a player issue.
I’m a new player, been a month on PS5. Also 56, and bought the console just to play this. I can’t believe it’s an 8 year old game, but I haven’t paid attention to gaming as I did back in the early 2000s. I see it can be an addicting game, with almost a drive to get as many ships as possible, which would cost a mint and take time. Almost like collecting coins or stamps. I just installed in my old beater PC and did the cross platform grind (which ends today) in a single day, completing 61 battles to get bonuses and ships. I enjoy watching yours and others videos for the learning curve. So much to try and figure out. Working on how to properly set up Commanders and assign them to appropriate command. I’m also grinding the battleship lines to tier 5, but plan on getting all ship classes to tier 5 to know for sure what fits my game style. I’m worse at destroyers, enjoy the battleships, but thinking maybe the heavy cruisers would be my cup of tea when I get to them. Agile with big guns seems a good combo. As for this video subject, anyone can burn out on something, and 8 years would be a long time if it were just one static game with a few new versions, but like you said, this game seems to be constantly evolving and being added to, which make it different in my view. The collection and game play has just begun for me and I look forward to the enjoyment, and frustrations.
The big problem with your suggestion is, games have to change to the players, not the other way around. Instead of playing the game at it's funnest, change and play a game you now hate. With the current troll classes CV/Subs who's purpose is just to troll actual pvpers trying to pvp - are basically just there to be an arse to you. Just an annoyance. Bad dev move leaving that in the game, at least you should be able to do a queue setting [x]-do not match me with subs/CVs. And the matchmaker currently also trolls you. This is what really needs a makeover. It makes you feel like you are not playing the game, instead you are the content of the game so that the people who got a better team can shoot a group of helpless chumps (basically we are the bots, but not getting paid for it). Then you get on the good team and the game ends too quickly to get much action. We need a skills based matchmaker, and EVEN balance of divisions. The current algo allows you to have 2-2ppl divs on one side, and 3-3ppl divs on the other. We can guess to a 99% certainty which side will win. Really, 85% of all games can be predicted who will win by which side has a 3ppl div. And all games are blow-outs, its terrible. Not to mention, has anyone considered that if you roll in a 2 person div, you have a 90% chance to be matched against a team with more div mates than you - it may not make sense, but try it and see. Game has super potential, but just run by very dumb devs right now, unplayable.
Devs need to do more to involve AI and integrate the environment. Not all of us want a constant reminder of how toxic people can be in endless deathmatch variations - random, ranked, clan, brawl ... A mix of co-op, pvp, and AI objectives while navigating an ever changing map is the way to go.
The Soviet “light” cruisers also have depth charges instead of ASW airstrikes. Totally makes sense given that they are less stealthy and maneuverable than American light cruisers that get the ASW planes. WG logic.
My issue with the game and the loss of replay appeal in recent years stems from three different things: 1. CVs. Until we are given potent, directable AA that can completely mitigate an incoming strike if timed correctly, this will continue to be a problem. Hopefully the changes WG are planning regarding spotting and diminishing returns on single-target-focus will help reduce the impact of it [That depends entirely on whether the latter point can by bypassed by single-strike squadrons like the ones on the Russian CVs], but it will never fix the problem entirely. 2. Subs. Your clip demonstrated one problem. Speed and manoeuvrability are vastly overtuned. But there are others. A competent sub player can STILL guarantee a kill on an equally competent player of any other class in the game without risk of being dragged down with them. The reverse is not true. Again, this is the same problem CVs have, and it is why both classes are fundamentally unsuitable for the game. They're good ideas in isolation. In their own games they'd be great. But when sharing the game with the surface ship classes they are just completely out of place. It is literally a case of playing 3D chess against a person whose only pieces are checkers. It's an additional dimension of play that the surface ships do not have access to and do not have an effective means of defending against. 3. Overmatch. This is a feature that has become increasingly detrimental over the past three or four years, particularly for older ships in the game with out of date armour geometry. It's the same issue we see in World of Tanks, where older tanks from early on in the game's lifetime had large, easily exploitable weak spots that had to be carefully accounted for while newer tanks have loads of additional armour and much smaller, harder to hit weak spots. In WoWS this problem manifests in the form of things like spaced armour, hidden internal armour plates, modified saturation formulae, specific armour and hull thickness and so on, that give newer ships a substantial advantage over older ones where overmatch comes into play. So if you're say, a fan of recent heavy cruisers like Gouden Leuww or Castilla, you have the armour, speed or stealth to work around this problem. But if you're a fan of older ships like Hindy or Zao, you're screwed. Hindy in particular, while still being an alright all-rounder, suffers *heavily* from overmatch powercreep. She's functionally a slow, fat, sluggish, extremely unstealthy Minotaur as far as any BB with 430mm guns or larger are concerned. Especially with the sheer volume of these BBs that are both faster AND stealthier than she is, meaning more often than not if one of them is on her flank and said flank is collapsing, she has to gun the engine and sail full speed for the border and towards the other flank to have a hope of lasting long enough for help to arrive. Zao too, while being much stealthier, is hamstrung by lower range, the same weak armour and abysmal AA, which all contribute to making her virtually irrelevant outside of her submarine surveillance consumable. All in all I wish WG would just take a year off pumping out new ships, or at least scale it back so they could invest more of their team into quality of life fixes. Rebalancing problematic mechanics, updating armour geometry, revisiting AA, expanding the map roster. I don't care if they scale back the economy to be closer to early WoWS in terms of grind time, as long as they make that grind fun. The game is nearly 10 years old now. It's overdue for a cleanup. An anniversary quality of life patch cycle would go a long way towards extending the game's life expectancy.
Playing a CV doesn't make me any better at countering a CV - As a cruiser main I cannot gain any knowledge that will allow me to more easily avoid being singled out and dunked on for half my health. The only thing that can save you is not being the one they focus on. Playing a SS doesn't make me any better at countering a SS - They have laughably broken impossible physical characteristics that allow them to defy the laws of hydrodynamics. They outturn and outrun pursuing DDs routinely. In ranked, both classes are absolute cancer. Learning the real classes and nuances of individual boats is always worthwhile. And yes, you will uncover specialized knowledge that will help you deal with them or counter them when you return to your favored class. But SS are broken and a lot of CV are as well - looking at you Russian CV line. Only in randoms with enough targets to occupy their attention and enough hostiles to keep them honest are they at all in balance. Get rid of homing torpedoes and ping. Replace with far more powerful 'dumb' torps and make the sub captains earn their money.
I see this trend very often these days where some game companies see their big titles as cash cows and don't give a fuck if the playerbase is enjoying the game, they just think about doing money
I miss what the game was. With the addition of subs with homing torps, the change to CV's, removing how we earned flags, the change of income types of cost of non silver ships, superships, hybrid battle cruiser/BB/CV's, and the ability to buy a premium ship in a top tier when you just started playing the game (low tier player buying tier 10's), it has become uncompelling. DD gameplay, the most difficult class to play, has had the greatest negative impact of all classes of ships in the game. There are way too many lines with unnecessary splits of lines. Lets go back to DD, CL, CA, BB and limit CV's per match. Improve matchmaking. Have random battle have options: - No CV's but subs allowed. - No subs, but CV's allowed I have a few full lines of ships - UK CL, UK DD, US DD, US CA. I just do not play anymore.
To be honrest, Player attrition is a very real thing in any video game. It's really difficult to keep committing to and be hyped about a game that's been out for so long especially with all the new game releases out there. A game not becoming "Fun" anymore isn't always about not knowing the game or not adapting to it. For some people it's just because it just gets too same-y or grindy, or a new content is dull... or you just suffered enough soul-crushingly bad losses that you just decided that it isn't fun anymore and found something else to do. Or might be you just got drawn into the current new hot game and had a ton more fun... like Helldivers 2 or something. For me? I just eventulally got tired of grinding in general. Also doesn't help that IMO most maps in randos play very similarly. It's usually just split up and a fight in both flanks with sometimes some interesting stuff in the centre.
I got ridiculed in chat by someone who already got sunk about why I wasn't pushing a Des Moine hiding behind an island while I was getting spotted by a DD I couldn't spot in my BB. I don't remember which one I was playing at the moment... His comment was that BB's eat cruisers for breakfast... I learned how to counter that, and I can kite subs when they decide I'm worth ALL of their torpedoes. I can't stand getting singled out by a CV though when my AA sucks. That's when I get my CV and go hunt CV's... That happened recently in Ranked. I wish they wouldn't allow them in Ranked...
3. If I get a compliment it should be mine forever....it shouldn't disappear because someone didn't like me in a different game. There should just be a number count for compliments. Negative reports should not be quantified or associated with positive reports. It serves no practical purpose and is disheartening.
Re the replay: small consolation but if the sub is surfaced dutch cruisers can launch their aistrike against it effectively. Its a rare occurrence but possible.
Why where you going full speed trying to turn? You do know full speed means you turn slower? If you slow down it increases your turn rate to max for the ship? Also they need to change how HE Fire damage works. Should be based on the damage of the shell, not the health of the ship. It should not be percentage based damage. Makes no sense that a fire can do more damage then the he shell is capable of in total.
Beta tester here - You're abolutely correct. Btw Gouden leeuw is pronounced more like 'Gowden Laiw', with the G rasping at the back of your throat - like you just swallowed a fly. In case you want to get closer to the Dutch pronunciation ;-)
I can handle the subs and DD`s, this is not an issue but, it starts from level VI, 10 torps from the left, 5 secs later 10 torps from the right, there are no DD`s or Subs, so where are these torps coming from???? This is a big frustration. When we as a CV`er are throwing torps to a ship there is a distance limit, don`t trow the torps too close, but the AI can do it. And once again, WOW has to remove the acoustic torps, issue resolved. Further, Teamplay mostly sucks, this is the biggest issue, it isn`t WOW but the players who keeps camping and are afraid to get a scratch.
I turned off battle-chat and have had a much better time since. F3 (do this), F9 (don't do this), F11 (well done) and F12 (thank you) are all I need for the limited teamplay this game rewards or what the average EU player seems to understand anyways. Stick and carrot for the team, fun for me. If someone was really good, I text them afterwards, but I am so tired of the 99% bullshit in open chat.
One correction, it looks like the light cruisers are still getting only depth charges. On the fun side, while grinding a tech tree is not much fun, I will say that the most fun I've been having is down in the lower tiers, and I wish WG would actually do something like challenges or events in the Tier 1-4 range, to get the new players involved and remind the old players. I'd also like to see new maps, and add in some new Operations. As someone who just passed his first year in the game, I can't say it still isn't fun, but I do get annoyed that it seems like WG is trying to get every last dollar out of their experienced players while pushing the newer players to keep leveling up to get "loot."
What gets me is that other players slam you when you are learning a new type of ship like subs, of course you’re not going to be great, so you’re forced to shut off chat and your karma goes to deep zero. Tell players to shut off chat when learning a new ship type.
Been playing the game for close to a year myself and have played around with pretty much every tech tree a bit, so never really had to 'adapt' to the addition of subs/carriers and from that perspective I don't really mind subs in particular that much. I do find the premium subs, or at least Gato and U-4501, pretty intimidating but most of the time if a sub gets me I realize after that I was in a pretty bad spot to begin with. Carriers, on the other hand, I find MUCH more frustrating especially in ranked where they have less targets to divide their attention. In general, IMO they just have way too much overall influence on the outcome of a match especially given how wide the skill gap can get between one carrier player and another. I find they frustrate me more in Ranked than Random, sometimes enough that I really start to question just how badly I want the steel/dubs. Usually don't care as much in Random though the other day I went out in Vladivostock and an enemy Kaga decided I was going to be their punching bag. I did a pretty decent job dodging their torps but since it was Kaga it didn't matter. That may have been the most I've ever been frustrated with this game.
Mountbatten, I don't mind the subs, cv's and superships. What I can't handle anymore is the way MM matches teams. I would say a good 80% of the games are so one sided. Now I get that when one team has 3 hurricane members are divisioned up, that is hared for MM to get another like team. But so many times there are no divisions and the games are still unbalanced. Examples: 1 side would have 4 radar ships and the other team has 1 or 0? Ex: 1 team has 2 hybrids (non division) and the other has 0. Or when you look at average WR of 1 team its over 50% and the other team has an average WR of 46%. I've observed whenever there is a WR difference of 3% or greater, more times than enough the team with the higher WR will blow out the other team. I've seen multiple times when 1 team has multiple players with WR over 50% and the other team doesn't have one at 50% It's the inbalance like this that makes this game not as fun anymore, moreso than having to deal with subs, cv's and stoopid ships.
Despised subs . . . until I tried them. Contrary to popular belief among those that don't play them, subs are an extremely difficult class to play well. "Shotgunning" can be annoying as a surface ship, but the opportunity to do this as a sub comes up so very rarely; I would venture to say it's far more rare than a dev strike in a surface ship. I now respect a player that operates his sub well. It is really tough to survive, let along play really well.
Game pre flags, pre camo, no clans, no research pts, no steel, no coal, free xp ships just got added, german cruisers were just added. The warspite was the only UK ship out there. A million free xp would take a year.
I still think they are nerfing the wrong thing on subs. They need to nerf the periscope speed and the guided torpedoes. Shotgunning torpedoes were how submarines in WW2 actually worked.
I've been playing for a bit over a year now. I didn't see RTS CVs, or Brawler Supremacy. And I'm having fun. Yes, some things need changes. Like with subs: The ping indicator could be a bit more accurate. T10s really should be slower underwater. And I actually _like_ subs. I want new maps and game modes in randoms. And more operations! Make (at least the T6) British CAs armor out of something stronger than aluminum. Or more range. Or a better heal. *Give them something to survive.* Matchmaker: Get rid of double-up tiers, this often fixes *A LOT* of problems. But in spite of these annoyances: I'm still grinding. I still want more boats. I've now got enough doubloons for the Wisconsin booster pack. And I want it. Maybe WarGaming would listen to the community more if it wasn't so toxic to *every. single. thing.* Why the heck does *the update teaser* have majority dislikes? Most people love it when their game gets an update.
Play against subs - get pissed off by subs - play subs to learn how to counter them - learn that they cannot be countered - abandon whole tiers of surface ships (T6 is ruined due to U-69 being so vastly overpowered, T10 is one blowout after another) - only log on to unlock the daily chests, now also playing subs and seeing how miserable victims feel - no playing for fun anymore because the game flat-out isn't fun anymore for anyone unless one has the mentality of a sealclubber and enjoys playing the broken ships
The real issue, and this is intended by wargaming, is money squeeze. WG makes money from premium time and premium ships so releasing new premium ships / lines (to grind) is inevitable for them (see the constant adding of fictional designs as the list of "real world ships not yet in the game" gets smaller and smaller). As the overall number of ship increases balance gets thrown out the window and power creep becomes the name of the game. They don't want to "fix the balance" when the next premium ship can curb stomp everything for three months in order to sell well, eventually gets nerfed in some way, new ship gets added and the cycle repeats. World of Tanks is the same, War Thunder is even worse in some regards (better in others), this imbalance is an INTENDED FEATURE. If you can find your fun within these limitations all the better but don't expect things to "improve" only to "evolve /S".
Netherlands airstrike will hit a sub if it's on surface or periscope depth. But yeah some way to aim, or at least know where they will hit, depth charges would be good.
Few days ago, I played 4 games and uninstalled the game. - Three of these games I was against 2 suckmarines who ruin the game - Two of the games included insulting players, one of them was even a suckmarine This game is ruined by CVs, suckmarines and is producing a lot of toxic players (and I include myself because I am toxic when there are suckmarines involved)
I learned about six months ago it is a lot more fun watching other people play than playing myself because if you don't have big money to buy premium ships and lots of hours every day to polish your skills you will always be second rate at best.
i just began playing in November and ive been having a blast. one thing ive noticed is a whole lotta people take the game way too serious. whenever i even just make a joke, it seems people take it personally? and are just bitter/angry all the time.
Im legitimately having more fun right now in the game than I ever had, I don’t play subs or cvs, I only play randoms, and ranked modes… but I’m also just better at the game than I was a year ago, and I always drop in divisions. Games so much fun.
The problem is there is no longer a "healthy" balance of ship types, abilities, accuracy, etc. The grinds are harder, economics are abysmal... as a player from launch day, I never play random anymore. Operations and whatever the special mode is for the particular update is. The game needs a heavy rebalance and NEW MAPS for the love of god. Not redone with 4k textures. 100% all new maps. Feels like we have been playing the same 6 maps for 8 years.
I only joined about 2 years ago, but I also really don't like the Randoms....so economy is a challenge yeah, I have multiple lines with ships maxed out XP wise, but simply not enough credits to buy the upgrade
Grinds are harder? The opposite is true. It's too easy to get to T10 these days.
I’m not an og player, but played the game from 2017-2021. I got the Black, Musashi, Georgia and Nelson before they were removed. Came back this autumn and t8-10 is unplayable and therefore I stick to low tier ranked, operations and special gamemodes as they still have the same feeling as they did in 2017. Sure, subs are a pain and cvs can be too. But the eccence of the game is still there.
@@Flomotion8000 exp wise yes, no doubt, but credits is another story. I'm a unicum player but 100% f2p, not a penny spent on the game and it is tough at times. Not too long ago got myself Forrest Sherman and averaging over 100k in it, around 70% WR IIRC. With 160% credit booster on solid (100-150k dmg, couple of kills, caps) random game I can get like 400-500k after tax. And it is safe to say, that 99% of players aren't capable of being that consistent, so can't imagine how they do it. You just get stuck with what you have, as you can't afford to buy anything new. WG overlooked the economy big time.
took them near a century to release ONE new map (Seychellen) and then they make it a mid tier map so most players wont play it most of the time or at all
WG could solve it tomorrow if they wanted to. But they don't.
Classic battle mode: Just surface ships, reduced XP and rewards
Enhanced battle mode: Surface ships + Subs OR Surface ships + CVs, normal XP and rewards
Full battle mode: Surface ships + Subs + CVs, bonus XP and rewards
it´s a good idea, but WG won´t do that because they know that more than half the player base would play that mode exclusively.
They don't have enough players for that. Everyone would play "classic" and it would be like 90% bots playing "enhanced". Too many ppl have stopped playing
Good idea. The Full battle mode sounds like compensation for suffering through subs and cvs lol
Amazing idea, I especially like the part with 20 min queues or matches filled with bots
The player base has died out too much to further split it
Ever since Helldivers came out, I don't even log in to get the daily rewards.
Nah I still comment and I haven't touched it in many years ;)
I still watch for the salt, and sometimes you catch a replay where there are just a few babyboats, lots of cruisers and destroyers and not much else to interfere with 'fun'. @@MightyHuzarion
@@MightyHuzarion I still watch and support the youtubers. I still watch some of the old Warframe youtubers from time to time, but I haven't touched that game in 5 years or more
I been playing deep rock galactic, and soon, helldivers from the sound of the things.
Me who waits for Asym Battles and T9-10 ops just to have a semblance of fun.
patch 13.3 asym back
If they make asymmetric battles a permanent mode, I'd play this game more.
Last few years I have seen more and more CC, UA-camrs and others (streamers) say they do not play on Fridays and weekends now due to MM and the level of gameplay
Weekends are the worst And poor teammates are the number one most frustrating thing in the game IMO followed closely by completely busted MM that doesn't pair up equal skill level players EVEN in Ranked matches. There are too many people in the game that don't know the most absolutely basic shit like how hydro works, not sailing broadside to the enemy, not sailing in a straight line and other really really basic stuff. It's so bad that I can tell about 75% of the time whether a match will be a win or a loss based on how my team positions itself in the first two minutes of a match because so many of them don't understand the really really simple things like how decide which ships contest which caps in ranked battles. Over the holiday season it got SO bad that I even started having random operations go sour and THAT should never (or at least very rarely) happen.
@@ashleighelizabeth5916 I 110% agree with you
What is used to be only on weekends, we have all the time now. I've been around early 2016 and could see all changes myself.
Sunday night isn't the worst. I refuse to play at that time.
@@MightyHuzarion I never do randoms anymore. Its just not worth it. Depending on the Naval Battle, its all Co-op to get those. Otherwise its anything but randoms
It's not even about subs or CVs only for me now, it's about horribly one-sided matches, huge amount of camping, being punished for pushing, old ships getting absolutely no attention and ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING MM system especially for higher ranks. WG just masking everything up by adding more and more BS events and lootboxes. Please, don't blame the players for not having fun anymore. This is not about saying haha you suck l2p noob, this is about WG making terrible decisions and purposefully frustrating players so they will buy something that would give them the edge. There are some things you just cannot influence, no matter how good you are.
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Im so glad to hear this is a trend. I have been playing less and less. Often I play one game and log off because the one game was such a miserable experience. There are so many other great games out there. The economy has been squeezed more and more and I really pity new players grinding through the ship lines.
Same here. Sometimes i play one game and leave right after, because it was a complete steamroll. Had it today with arms race. Enemy team got all buffs maxed, reload, dmg, hp and we got 2 buffs for regen. It was so frustrating to play. We got crushed 0/10 and that is enough for the entire weekend for me. And its like 95% of all games are exactly that. Can't even bring myself to play at some days.
Switched to 40k Darktide and have a good time. I would love another serious, FPS like BF 4 or maybe SWBF 2, but that's unfortunately not there.
Same here. I don't buy premium time because I don't want to be locked by this game. Normally, if i get free premium time, I usually play till i hit 2 daily coal crates before logging out. Right now I have 2 weeks of premium time, free from crates, i can't be bothered to play for the 2 daily crates like before. I much rather spend my time in Cyberpunk 2077 which i recently started playing.
It is because of the subs and CVs.
I agree today's meta is not good. CVs, Subs, Hybrid ships are getting out of the hands. I think many old players already stopped playing because in Asian servers I can see lots of new players and yes matching making is also a problem I'm losing battles because my teammates doesn't know what to do with their ships. It would be good if WG will try to sit with community and listen what players wants. They also add modes such as brawls (but it would be good if players can choose which tier they want to play brawls) and same goes with ranked.
It annoys me how they don’t give a sh*t about the creative part about the game… no new maps, no new ship designs, just reskins of old models, it all got super boring. Why should I give them any money when they are literally doing the bare minimum?
Having to speed boost in a DD to run down a sub that can do warp 5 underwater is one of the most frustrating things that still exists in the present iteration of the game.
I have been playing this game since the closed Beta and I have never seen games so one-sided as it is now
I'm agree. I launch a game and see all my team red (wows-monitor) and the enemy team green, blue and purple, then I know it's gonna be a hard time. And it happens so often I though WG were angry at me :D
I’m really enjoying grinding the OG Japanese BB line after being away for years
tier 9 is gonna be a bitch
Man, you enjoying it?! I'm strugglin lol
I'm enjoying the game because I took a 3 year break from it. Really refreshed the game for me.
@@aidonger42069Izumo is okay. It still better than most Tier IX BBs. Heck I prefer Izumo over FDG.
@@aidonger42069Izumo is fine these days, good even. Used to be a nightmare back in the day though.
They need to buff the North Carolina's AA fire. During WWII, she was well known for her AA fire. The first time she opened up, the other American ships thought she was on fire.
After the CV rework a long time ago. AA is no longer relevant in the game. you can damage planes and take a few planes out but with the way WG is pushing the CV's AA is no longer and will continue to be ineffective no matter what ship class you use
It really isn't. It's feeling more like a second job anymore. I log in on work days and play enough to get a container and get 20 battle pass points and on the weekend, I usually go head and get the second container and logout. I'll be doing the next dock yard though because Wisconsin. Closed beta player.
Ranked game yesterday. I, in a Warspite, accompanied a cruiser and DD, the moment the enemy shows they turn tail, leave me alone. I'm too slow to follow. I get taken out in 2 salvo's of a Fubuki and a U190 (?). I never even saw them. Dodge one set of Torps to be taken out by the second. No hydro, no nothing and gone from the game in no time.
Story of my life too in WoWs.
and some team narc probably reported you for it too. :(
At its core, this game is a rock, paper, scissor type of naval game, and that is what makes it fun. But then Wargaming started to mingle with this design by adding sniper rifles, bazookas, and other ridiculous ideas and classes, so of course the more ridiculous the game is becoming, the less fun it is.
Tell me the game is to complicated for you without saying the game is to complicated for you.
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OP is right, and 'complexicity' has nothing to do with it. Cry harder, to complex.. that's why WeGreedy made all radars same length and range right? That's why WeGreedy wants to make all airspotting the same for destroyers right? 'To complex' lmao
It's total bs that a class which is supposed to be a counter to something, be worse at doing exactly that as a class which historically was the most vulnerable to them ( re: sso aka submarine shaped objects being countered by BabyBoats most efficiently ).
You know what was 'complex'? Alpha with stealth fire requiring you to work as a ffin team, with RTS cv's which actually had a choice to use fighters to stop enemy attacks ( even if it was more effective if you're good enough to use your fighters to make sure your own strikes get through ).
Arcade BS like gamemodes with 'power ups' and BS like 'combat directives' in your views makes stuff 'complex', in normal people's mind it makes the game lose any and all possibility of immersion.
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@@MarvinWestmaas i'm sorry, but you considering the rts CV as the superior version negates everything you said. you're an absolute idiot if you think the rts cv was in any way balanced or even reasonable.
... wait for the alien UFOs to get added to the game
The problem is WG loves Subs and CV’s when most the player base hates them
That and the fact WG has been releasing pretty awful battle passes since January
As a player since the beginning, I agree with previous comment about the need for more maps -- and I wonder if it would be possible to have a random map generator -- basic graphics on randomly-generated islands, with some kind of algorithm that balanced the two sides either with pure symmetry or a system of equivalences (so that one side doesn't have an obvious initial advantage).
Meanwhile, I don't have fun in the upper tiers anymore... but I do enjoy tiers 5-7, or otherwise I play ranked.
Subs ruined the game period. Game was already on a downward spiral with overpowered CVS and nerfing secondary bb accuracy and super ships have caused a lot of people to quit.
I play subs almost exclusively now, it nullifies the gimmicks (ap rockets, permaspot, 700 gun HE spam cruisers, radar everything, RNG fkery,etc) that keep getting added. Subs are hated because in the right hands, they're effective, but it's a high risk, high reward class. Make 1 mistake and you're dead.
Couldnt be further from the truth. Except CVs, subs are the most mistake-free classes in the game. Compared to a DD its almost laughable. And the latest "nerf" which added insane buff to their manouverability and limited the ASW dmg its even worse.
idk pretty often a sub gets spotted and then blown up by 15 depth charge airstrikes 10 seconds later, they might be bad players but still@@Carandraug1
@@Carandraug1Completely wrong. You have so much leeway as a DD. Get spotted once in a sub and you're dead if the enemies aren't asleep.
@@Carandraug1 You're really dumb if you think subs are "mistake free class" you get spotted once you'll have dept charges on you within seconds. How i describe subs is "Destroyers who can submerge into the water" It's literally just a destroyer with torps only. Play it like a destroyer and you find success like any DD. Stealth and spotting
Not sure i agree with that. I once managed to land 14 airstrikes on a submarine (before the damage nerf) and the damn thing was still alive, and of course it sank me.
One way to have a fun experience is to go back to lower tiers (T3 to T5). A lot less back sniping BBs, you are engaging in a much shorter distance. You dont have a lot of gimmicks to deal with & a lot less HE spam. However, T6 CVs & subs will still be a problem
I am doing the same, in the lower tiers I have much more fun.
It's subs and CVS but also so many people have walked that I'm seeing a huge amount of matches with the sides being 42% vs 46% total win rate and it is so borderline impossible to carry that level of potato across the finish line.
I used to play daily - but I've played less than 50 games since the great CV rework, and never since subs.
I refuse to grind if the game is less than zero fun, or spend any new real money to try and stay in the same place.
WoW moved from a business that was a fun game- to a racket.
WoW does not want me as a player.
My enthusiasm died with subs but mainly the commander rework. I had 14 elite captains, 3 years of work. The xp to get to those 14 captains to 21 would be another 60%+ grind. Done
I uninstalled the game last night. It's NOT fun anymore. And no, I'm NOT going to play classes I personally think have ruined the game to try to find something resembling fun in the game again. And that's without even getting started on seemingly deliberately broken mechanics. Or the blatant cash grab aspect that just gets worse and worse.
wows feels like a chore. thats it, plain and simple
I stopped playing a few months ago because the game was no longer fun. I didn't look forward to playing it anymore.
sub surveillance with 6km range is quite short, hopefully they bump it up a little
The camping meta ruined it. Nobody pushes or brawls. Just sit in the back.
It's always fun in C-op. I can never get bored, or not have fun playing this game in Co-op only!
When I started playing there were 2 countries and 2 of each type's trees. No SSs, No Tier XI and no CVs. There is no way gameplay from then would work now, for a start off, you rarely have 3 hulls to develop, back then was common, and at least 2 gun modules. Not to mention the whole premium vs normal consumables. But the phrase, the game isn't fun anymore, holds. With the CVs and the SSs and to a lesser extent Tier XI, this game is now more about punching down, rather than "fleet manoeuvres" which is how I had it in my mind's eye back then. I was always excited to get into game. Now, I just play ops, Asym battles and the occasional Airship thing. I have a growing pile of Warhammer 40k minis that are calling me, and pretty soon, unless something changes, they and I will become very happy in each other's company.
Give it two years or less. Game will be dead and WG will be asking where they went wrong. Because they dont listen to the community. Ever.
Super ships have ruined Tier 9 and up. Match maker is a joke. The double up tier is a joke. 9 of 10 matches are blowouts.
I play about 4 hours a week it used to be four hours a day.
Now I mostly play operations to complete missions and grind randoms is a waste of time
I have been playing since closed beta and I remember when the game took that turning point for the worse. The slippery slope began when we first started to see these OP premium destroyers being released almost every week. That was the start of a cycle of awful changes;
- Influx of OP premium DDs
- CV rework
- Russian line containing some disgustingly OP ships that never even existed (both prem and not)
- Submarines which basically add two more DDs to each match and ruin MM
- Commander rework (that really screwed people over big time!)
- Hybrid ships which essentially give the other time an extra CV in some cases
- Removal of weekly operation for more rewards (and forcing us to play awful ones like Cherry Blossom, Hermes, and Naval Station Newport)
- Operations being listed as "random", but getting 'Cherry Blossom' 4 - 5 times in a row...
- WG implementing RNG nerfs against you at the start of a game like winners have already been picked (don't tell me it doesn't happen, it sure feels it. I fired a full broadside from a BB into a Perth's broadside and got a richo in ranked...)
- Did I already mention the Russian bias and how most of their ships never existed yet are some of the best in game?
- Stacked MM (debatable but I've seen many people complain about the state of teams they're put in)
I'd love to hear more lol
I’m an older player I have every ship in game. I used to play every night after work and every weekend when I could. Lately I play maybe 1 time on the weekend after some Tarkov. It’s sad I still love the game but cv subs and all the over pens on broadside ships is just frustrating. All the artillery bugs drive me insane lately lol
My last game on WoWs was a shimakaze. The cv spent basically the entire game trying to keep me perma spotted and making blind airstrikes in my smoke while I took the occasional potshot from enemy team. Did I eventually die yes? Did the CV lose out on a lot of potential damage? Yes. Did my team win? No. Did I have fun? Not then or a while before that. I'm done.
When there are no subs in the match, no CVs, and you are not double up-tiered, then the game can be really fun. But, sadly, those matches are all too rare.
I played this game in Beta and am recently getting back into it. Ultra light cruisers are my forte. Atlanta is my #1 ship played, followed by Minotaur, Worcester, and Des Moines. Grinding research points for Colbert by going through the Harugumo line is a bit of a pain but at least they're close to my preferred playstyle. Actively avoiding any competitive playlist so I can just pick targets and hold LMB without really caring about subs or CVs. One new-to-me feature I like is being able to just "battle on" with the same ship from the death screen without having to wait for the battle to end.
They could EASILY balance subs and CVs to be in line with every other class, but they simply don't care, they only care about $$$ and the game seems still too healthy for them to react.
They stack the MM to produce blowouts so the matches end fast and have been doing that for quite some time.
That's not MM stacking, that's more the importance of spotting targets worth shooting. Lose a DD early, team backs off and enemy takes the better position and rains down fire.
@@chrisschack9716 Riigght..
The MM is stacked to put the majority of shitters in the match on one team.
Just look at people's profiles after a match.
People with 200 or 300 games played in T10 with win-rates in the 40's or below are stacked into the same team
I started back when the Italians BBs were in early access. Skip to today, I can't even have fun in Colombo after unlocking it and mostly played ships that were "meta".
The game just isn't fun for me and it isn't just because of subs or CVs, it's all the layers on the frustration cake, it's the MM putting too many AA ships in one side, having no planes to shoot down in a AA build ship making it borderline useless, radar ships making DD plays almost impossible, people complaining to the DD for not spotting/pushing up while not understanding they are being radared (bonus frustration if the complainers are in radar ships themselves), RNG being BS about 85% of the time and base credits gain being abysmal unless having premium time, premium ships and/or a godlike game.
Of course those are just some of the annoyances and frustrations that come to mind right now and if they were isolated it probably wouldn't be too bad, but they are not, they stack on top of each other making the experience worse and in turn making the game just less and less fun until a breaking point.
I personally have absolutely no problems with subs but CVs are an absolute pain, especially as a DD and BB Main who plays subs from time to time. I would even welcome that every ship gets the opportunity to equip the sub surveillance system. CVs are the big problem, they completely break the spotting system and they don’t have to risk anything in return. Sure they (thankfully) don’t deal as much damage as they used to do but the ability to perma spot with the fighter consumable is just unfair.
BTW, i may be half joking here but..... I would not be surprised if WG eventually adds Anti Ship Missile armed ships at some point. Like late 1940s early 1950s Missiles. Ya know that weird transition era after WW2 that lead into the Cold War where Cruisers would have 2 guns in the front and missile batteries where the 3rd turret would normally be.
Like their are SOOOO many DDs and Cruisers they could add. Even add a modernized USS Missouri.
Personally, I don't think it's just the ships and getting used to a new Meta.
A lot of time, on the EU server at least, you have people who just play to make the guns go "brrr". They rush a full health BB with cruisers, they go alone against 6 ships, W key Schlieffens, Submarines who can't hit a target or who are at 60m the whole match, CVs who cant land rockets/bombs/torpedos, etc. And we are talking people with thousands of games. It feels like they are playing WoWS with one eye on the monitor and one eye watching soccer, but then raging hard in chat about how they had no support.
I am sitting at a nice and stable 57/58% winrate and unicum PR, but a friend who is getting into the game is disgusted by the playerbase, because his team is, when I'm not there to rescue it, usually full of oxygen thieves who play simply to have noise in the background. So no matter how well he plays, he often loses. Sure that happens on both sides, but it's infuriating.
The balance is... well, WarGaming balance. Sometimes the matchmaker stacks ships and squads on one side, having gold clans in groups of 3 doing Musashi things and the other side has nothing.
Oh yeah, another prime thing, which we also saw in your video with the Hood, is AFK players. Lots of em.
I NEED YOUR ADVICE SEA LORD !!! I'm looking at my next coal ship. I have the Black, Kurfurst, Napoli, Groningen, Agir & Azuma. I play BB's, CL's, and DD's. Trying to chose between the F. Sherman, and Salem or any of the other T 10 ships. Where would you go with this. Advice from other viewers may help. Please leave your comments. Thank you.
If you gave Des Moines, then I'd skip the Salem.
F Sherman looks like it has a somewhat niche game play.
I'm still grinding for my 1st coal ship.
Any suggestions on what to get first?
If you want something odd have a look at the Tromp, itz not the best DD vut the airstrikes can be fun
Not a ship for everybody but its interesting
If you have Des Moines, get the Sherman, if not, Salem
It should be for fun, but way too many people take it way too seriously.
In some cases it’s the super meta player who knows every little detail and every map. They crush anyone trying to play casual.
Then there are those who think that they know how to sail everyone else’s ships better and they spend more time in chat trying to tell everyone else what to do than they do sailing their own ship.
In short, for me it has nothing to do with them adding aspects of naval warfare that are over 100yrs old (subs and cvs) it has everything to do with the players.
I mean if they had less shit mechanics liie subs and cvs peoples could play more casual
How tf is anyone meant to wnjoy a game when cv focuses on you or same with a sub?
Oh and I forgot to mention the players that cannot stop complaining about subs and cvs.
Maybe go play an age of sail game.
Are you also the player that always ends up on the losing team because of how much your team sucks? And lets chat know through the whole match how much their team sucks? Cruel Cruel fate to always be with bad players, never you.
@caseyo6033 wouldnt that logic be telling cv players to go play war thunder?
I'm just saying most people agree subs and cvs suck ass
It's not really up for debate, it's just up to you if you want to be part of the minority that are in denial
And I have a 54% WR I know I'm average- not great most of the time but even losing is fun aslong as you leant along the way and aren't being a complete idiot
@@00spinz35 HAHAHAHA
The WR guy is another great example of shitty players ruining the game
(And because you seem dense) No one cares what your WR is, other than the players who make the game suck
This is one of the reasons I disabled the chat.
The Subs destroy WOWS
I played yesterday and seemed everyone was camping and spamming HE.And Subs never getting detected tii they are in spawn.. Or AFKs alot i noticed
The camping is very annoying, mostly I don`t get help.
Oodles of AFK, and nothing can or will be done about it.
It's just so broken now in so many different places. cv's infinite planes, subs shotgunning, MM making 1 side with many skilled players. the list goes on. Before there was 1 or 2 issues, now it almost every tier and class has a problem they created by pouring more and more OP ships into the mix. without any attempt to fix current issues. fixing issues doesn't pay, bringing out a new ship does. thats the problem
Aircraft carriers ruined it. Destroyers used to direct the battle with spotting. Now everyone shoots at everything they can see
The biggest problem is the meta to sniper/timid game play that took over Random mode four-five years and WG has not been able (or willing) to push the meta to something more engaging. Made worse by the match making system that still stack teams, mostly by ship ability or even just ship types. As stated before, this is why you see so many people in co-op daily or in asymmetric battle types when its available. Yes ships are content in the game, but where are the new maps, why are newer game modes on limited runs instead of being always available? (Side note Mainz also is a cruiser without ASW planes, had similar issue against a sub lately.)
Another bonus for playing all the lines is realistic expectations on what they can actually do. You don't ask a New York to go from attacking at A to help cap C.
Also, just understand that if you play a carrier, destroyer, or sub, you are choosing to play one of the "hunted" classes. The same thing goes for the "lone flank guy".
The fun is gone not because I am unable to learn nowaday's meta, in fact I understand it pretty well.
The fun is gone because WarGaming shoehorned in classes that do not fit the core game at all and cannot be fought reasonably.
The fun is gone because you're getting matched against a Black or Småland in your torpedo boat in high tier games (on top of the many radar cruisers ofc).
The fun is gone because HE spam is so bad nowadays that playing aggressively in your Battleship is going to get you killed in a matter of minutes.
All in all, the game has become way to uniform across all types and tech trees, there is not much left of the rock-paper-scizzors concept that made it so great in the olden days.
Not that all was good back then, but every ship at least had a distinctive playstyle or role that set it apart from other ships.
Sure, I could simply whittle down everything with HE and sit back in my Battleships or skill my Shimakaze to be a gun boat (which is a surprisingly strong build).
But I choose not to do that anymore because it's boring and well... not fun.
Beta player here. Back in the day, I feel that the game offered a pretty good "rock-paper-scissors" mechanic, things were not ideal (RTS CVs were a PAIN in the butt, but somewhat rare IIRC), but it worked pretty well.
I'm a cruiser player, always loved this class, which live and die by their concealment, and this was possible to open a crossfire by sneaking on a flank if I wanted to! Now, with all the planes and sub, you cannot do that anymore. And it's just an example.
These were fun times. I logged in during last winter to get snowflakes, purchase some containers and get the Defence, didn't even play the boats I dropped during the event (even got the Enterprise), and didn't log into the game since.
This game was really appealing to me, not anymore. I got back into Diablo 3 with my buddies intead :)
I started playing.... what 7 years ago (like 2017.... I THINK), The game has most certainly changed since then. And i Can't say im a fan of it anymore, Carriers have been reduce to "Farming" simulators, they are both UNFUN to play and OPPRESSIVE to surface vessels. also AA Feels USELESS unless its a "new" ship that was introduced AFTER the CV rework. Submarines have their issues, but effectively they are just NEW Torpedo DDs, My only issue with subs is how hard they are to FIND, but with Cruisers getting Sub Surveillance that will solve the issue.
Heck I don't think iv actually PLAYED in like a year or more, just been logging in for daily rewards. I HATE High Tier gameplay (welcome to Navel Trench Warfare), Also ya know Super Ships are now a thing (so much for being TOP TIER at tier 10 am i right!). Iv played Mid Tier to DEATH and are now bored, and no one Plays Low tier obviously so its mostly BOTS. Guess i should play OPERATIONS more often and maybe play the special modes when they appear.
Not to mention...... The game has just become "Insert Gimmick Line number 10,000" as far as new ships go. I want to say that started with the FRENCH, but im not sure. The US, Japanese, German, British and to a slightly lesser Degree the FRENCH navy are all relatively "good navys" with their own Flavor. EVERY OTHER NATION/LINE that has been introduced is a GIMMICK line.
I've been pissed since the commander rework that made me regrind for months to get back some elite commanders. I also figured out real quick the rework just changed skills to indirectly nerf ships like Atlanta.
The homing torps are totally out of balance in the game and there are just too many ships with torps now, including BBs, so you can't even have fun brawling another BB without getting torped...
I'm running into times where multiple HE hits on things as lightly armored as a DD don't even register.
That is the short list.
Excellent commentary. The old cliché rings true, "if your having trouble fighting a class of naval ship, play it" and learn its pros and cons. Then you will remember when you meet one in battle how best to counter. WWII was filled with change from 1940 to 1946 and each nation was constantly changing designs, tactics, and modifications to existing ships, the fact WG has made this game the same they are really mirroring history.... to a degree as it is just a game.
I play legends and all the different classes on multiple country lines. I have found it very helpful having played these ships when going against them.
I have an Arkansas Beta ship. That might tell you how long I have been around lol. I remember how exciting it was to finally have a game dedicated to warships. Some things have gotten worse, some have gotten better and I avoid playing random games anymore because it isn't much fun.
Trying to suggest that players need to adapt to the ever evolving mess that the developers are making of a once incredibly enjoyable game is hilarious.
It is the job of the developers to maintain and improve the experience, not add nonsense that nobody wants in the name of more cash at the expense of everything else.
This is not a player issue.
I’m a new player, been a month on PS5. Also 56, and bought the console just to play this. I can’t believe it’s an 8 year old game, but I haven’t paid attention to gaming as I did back in the early 2000s. I see it can be an addicting game, with almost a drive to get as many ships as possible, which would cost a mint and take time. Almost like collecting coins or stamps. I just installed in my old beater PC and did the cross platform grind (which ends today) in a single day, completing 61 battles to get bonuses and ships. I enjoy watching yours and others videos for the learning curve. So much to try and figure out. Working on how to properly set up Commanders and assign them to appropriate command. I’m also grinding the battleship lines to tier 5, but plan on getting all ship classes to tier 5 to know for sure what fits my game style. I’m worse at destroyers, enjoy the battleships, but thinking maybe the heavy cruisers would be my cup of tea when I get to them. Agile with big guns seems a good combo.
As for this video subject, anyone can burn out on something, and 8 years would be a long time if it were just one static game with a few new versions, but like you said, this game seems to be constantly evolving and being added to, which make it different in my view. The collection and game play has just begun for me and I look forward to the enjoyment, and frustrations.
I appreciate your optimism. I don't share it... but I appreciate it.
7 yrs in and I still love the game. Change just doesn't sit well for everyone.
The big problem with your suggestion is, games have to change to the players, not the other way around. Instead of playing the game at it's funnest, change and play a game you now hate. With the current troll classes CV/Subs who's purpose is just to troll actual pvpers trying to pvp - are basically just there to be an arse to you. Just an annoyance. Bad dev move leaving that in the game, at least you should be able to do a queue setting [x]-do not match me with subs/CVs. And the matchmaker currently also trolls you. This is what really needs a makeover. It makes you feel like you are not playing the game, instead you are the content of the game so that the people who got a better team can shoot a group of helpless chumps (basically we are the bots, but not getting paid for it). Then you get on the good team and the game ends too quickly to get much action. We need a skills based matchmaker, and EVEN balance of divisions. The current algo allows you to have 2-2ppl divs on one side, and 3-3ppl divs on the other. We can guess to a 99% certainty which side will win. Really, 85% of all games can be predicted who will win by which side has a 3ppl div. And all games are blow-outs, its terrible. Not to mention, has anyone considered that if you roll in a 2 person div, you have a 90% chance to be matched against a team with more div mates than you - it may not make sense, but try it and see. Game has super potential, but just run by very dumb devs right now, unplayable.
Devs need to do more to involve AI and integrate the environment. Not all of us want a constant reminder of how toxic people can be in endless deathmatch variations - random, ranked, clan, brawl ... A mix of co-op, pvp, and AI objectives while navigating an ever changing map is the way to go.
The Soviet “light” cruisers also have depth charges instead of ASW airstrikes. Totally makes sense given that they are less stealthy and maneuverable than American light cruisers that get the ASW planes. WG logic.
My issue with the game and the loss of replay appeal in recent years stems from three different things:
1. CVs. Until we are given potent, directable AA that can completely mitigate an incoming strike if timed correctly, this will continue to be a problem. Hopefully the changes WG are planning regarding spotting and diminishing returns on single-target-focus will help reduce the impact of it [That depends entirely on whether the latter point can by bypassed by single-strike squadrons like the ones on the Russian CVs], but it will never fix the problem entirely.
2. Subs. Your clip demonstrated one problem. Speed and manoeuvrability are vastly overtuned. But there are others. A competent sub player can STILL guarantee a kill on an equally competent player of any other class in the game without risk of being dragged down with them. The reverse is not true. Again, this is the same problem CVs have, and it is why both classes are fundamentally unsuitable for the game. They're good ideas in isolation. In their own games they'd be great. But when sharing the game with the surface ship classes they are just completely out of place. It is literally a case of playing 3D chess against a person whose only pieces are checkers. It's an additional dimension of play that the surface ships do not have access to and do not have an effective means of defending against.
3. Overmatch. This is a feature that has become increasingly detrimental over the past three or four years, particularly for older ships in the game with out of date armour geometry. It's the same issue we see in World of Tanks, where older tanks from early on in the game's lifetime had large, easily exploitable weak spots that had to be carefully accounted for while newer tanks have loads of additional armour and much smaller, harder to hit weak spots. In WoWS this problem manifests in the form of things like spaced armour, hidden internal armour plates, modified saturation formulae, specific armour and hull thickness and so on, that give newer ships a substantial advantage over older ones where overmatch comes into play. So if you're say, a fan of recent heavy cruisers like Gouden Leuww or Castilla, you have the armour, speed or stealth to work around this problem. But if you're a fan of older ships like Hindy or Zao, you're screwed. Hindy in particular, while still being an alright all-rounder, suffers *heavily* from overmatch powercreep. She's functionally a slow, fat, sluggish, extremely unstealthy Minotaur as far as any BB with 430mm guns or larger are concerned. Especially with the sheer volume of these BBs that are both faster AND stealthier than she is, meaning more often than not if one of them is on her flank and said flank is collapsing, she has to gun the engine and sail full speed for the border and towards the other flank to have a hope of lasting long enough for help to arrive. Zao too, while being much stealthier, is hamstrung by lower range, the same weak armour and abysmal AA, which all contribute to making her virtually irrelevant outside of her submarine surveillance consumable.
All in all I wish WG would just take a year off pumping out new ships, or at least scale it back so they could invest more of their team into quality of life fixes. Rebalancing problematic mechanics, updating armour geometry, revisiting AA, expanding the map roster. I don't care if they scale back the economy to be closer to early WoWS in terms of grind time, as long as they make that grind fun. The game is nearly 10 years old now. It's overdue for a cleanup. An anniversary quality of life patch cycle would go a long way towards extending the game's life expectancy.
Playing a CV doesn't make me any better at countering a CV - As a cruiser main I cannot gain any knowledge that will allow me to more easily avoid being singled out and dunked on for half my health. The only thing that can save you is not being the one they focus on.
Playing a SS doesn't make me any better at countering a SS - They have laughably broken impossible physical characteristics that allow them to defy the laws of hydrodynamics. They outturn and outrun pursuing DDs routinely.
In ranked, both classes are absolute cancer.
Learning the real classes and nuances of individual boats is always worthwhile. And yes, you will uncover specialized knowledge that will help you deal with them or counter them when you return to your favored class.
But SS are broken and a lot of CV are as well - looking at you Russian CV line. Only in randoms with enough targets to occupy their attention and enough hostiles to keep them honest are they at all in balance.
Get rid of homing torpedoes and ping. Replace with far more powerful 'dumb' torps and make the sub captains earn their money.
tbh i want my 10.5km secondaries back on the graf zeppelin with manual fire again, used to love being super aggressive in it lol
I see this trend very often these days where some game companies see their big titles as cash cows and don't give a fuck if the playerbase is enjoying the game, they just think about doing money
I miss what the game was. With the addition of subs with homing torps, the change to CV's, removing how we earned flags, the change of income types of cost of non silver ships, superships, hybrid battle cruiser/BB/CV's, and the ability to buy a premium ship in a top tier when you just started playing the game (low tier player buying tier 10's), it has become uncompelling. DD gameplay, the most difficult class to play, has had the greatest negative impact of all classes of ships in the game.
There are way too many lines with unnecessary splits of lines. Lets go back to DD, CL, CA, BB and limit CV's per match. Improve matchmaking. Have random battle have options:
- No CV's but subs allowed.
- No subs, but CV's allowed
I have a few full lines of ships - UK CL, UK DD, US DD, US CA. I just do not play anymore.
To be honrest, Player attrition is a very real thing in any video game. It's really difficult to keep committing to and be hyped about a game that's been out for so long especially with all the new game releases out there. A game not becoming "Fun" anymore isn't always about not knowing the game or not adapting to it. For some people it's just because it just gets too same-y or grindy, or a new content is dull... or you just suffered enough soul-crushingly bad losses that you just decided that it isn't fun anymore and found something else to do. Or might be you just got drawn into the current new hot game and had a ton more fun... like Helldivers 2 or something. For me? I just eventulally got tired of grinding in general. Also doesn't help that IMO most maps in randos play very similarly. It's usually just split up and a fight in both flanks with sometimes some interesting stuff in the centre.
I got ridiculed in chat by someone who already got sunk about why I wasn't pushing a Des Moine hiding behind an island while I was getting spotted by a DD I couldn't spot in my BB. I don't remember which one I was playing at the moment... His comment was that BB's eat cruisers for breakfast... I learned how to counter that, and I can kite subs when they decide I'm worth ALL of their torpedoes. I can't stand getting singled out by a CV though when my AA sucks. That's when I get my CV and go hunt CV's... That happened recently in Ranked. I wish they wouldn't allow them in Ranked...
3. If I get a compliment it should be mine forever....it shouldn't disappear because someone didn't like me in a different game. There should just be a number count for compliments. Negative reports should not be quantified or associated with positive reports. It serves no practical purpose and is disheartening.
Re the replay: small consolation but if the sub is surfaced dutch cruisers can launch their aistrike against it effectively. Its a rare occurrence but possible.
Why where you going full speed trying to turn? You do know full speed means you turn slower? If you slow down it increases your turn rate to max for the ship?
Also they need to change how HE Fire damage works. Should be based on the damage of the shell, not the health of the ship. It should not be percentage based damage. Makes no sense that a fire can do more damage then the he shell is capable of in total.
Beta tester here - You're abolutely correct. Btw Gouden leeuw is pronounced more like 'Gowden Laiw', with the G rasping at the back of your throat - like you just swallowed a fly. In case you want to get closer to the Dutch pronunciation ;-)
I can handle the subs and DD`s, this is not an issue but, it starts from level VI, 10 torps from the left, 5 secs later 10 torps from the right, there are no DD`s or Subs, so where are these torps coming from???? This is a big frustration. When we as a CV`er are throwing torps to a ship there is a distance limit, don`t trow the torps too close, but the AI can do it. And once again, WOW has to remove the acoustic torps, issue resolved. Further, Teamplay mostly sucks, this is the biggest issue, it isn`t WOW but the players who keeps camping and are afraid to get a scratch.
I turned off battle-chat and have had a much better time since. F3 (do this), F9 (don't do this), F11 (well done) and F12 (thank you) are all I need for the limited teamplay this game rewards or what the average EU player seems to understand anyways. Stick and carrot for the team, fun for me. If someone was really good, I text them afterwards, but I am so tired of the 99% bullshit in open chat.
One correction, it looks like the light cruisers are still getting only depth charges. On the fun side, while grinding a tech tree is not much fun, I will say that the most fun I've been having is down in the lower tiers, and I wish WG would actually do something like challenges or events in the Tier 1-4 range, to get the new players involved and remind the old players. I'd also like to see new maps, and add in some new Operations.
As someone who just passed his first year in the game, I can't say it still isn't fun, but I do get annoyed that it seems like WG is trying to get every last dollar out of their experienced players while pushing the newer players to keep leveling up to get "loot."
RN CLs don't have ASW aircraft, either IIRC.
EDIT: And a T6 Italian DD I got from... and event or something, has *no ASW at all*.
You talk about Leone? Yeah, any ASW but hey, you know what? Ohkotnik too, any ASW . Joke aside, Leone is a great ship, always a pleasure to play her.
What gets me is that other players slam you when you are learning a new type of ship like subs, of course you’re not going to be great, so you’re forced to shut off chat and your karma goes to deep zero.
Tell players to shut off chat when learning a new ship type.
Been playing the game for close to a year myself and have played around with pretty much every tech tree a bit, so never really had to 'adapt' to the addition of subs/carriers and from that perspective I don't really mind subs in particular that much. I do find the premium subs, or at least Gato and U-4501, pretty intimidating but most of the time if a sub gets me I realize after that I was in a pretty bad spot to begin with.
Carriers, on the other hand, I find MUCH more frustrating especially in ranked where they have less targets to divide their attention. In general, IMO they just have way too much overall influence on the outcome of a match especially given how wide the skill gap can get between one carrier player and another. I find they frustrate me more in Ranked than Random, sometimes enough that I really start to question just how badly I want the steel/dubs. Usually don't care as much in Random though the other day I went out in Vladivostock and an enemy Kaga decided I was going to be their punching bag. I did a pretty decent job dodging their torps but since it was Kaga it didn't matter. That may have been the most I've ever been frustrated with this game.
Mountbatten, I don't mind the subs, cv's and superships. What I can't handle anymore is the way MM matches teams. I would say a good 80% of the games are so one sided. Now I get that when one team has 3 hurricane members are divisioned up, that is hared for MM to get another like team. But so many times there are no divisions and the games are still unbalanced.
Examples: 1 side would have 4 radar ships and the other team has 1 or 0? Ex: 1 team has 2 hybrids (non division) and the other has 0. Or when you look at average WR of 1 team its over 50% and the other team has an average WR of 46%. I've observed whenever there is a WR difference of 3% or greater, more times than enough the team with the higher WR will blow out the other team. I've seen multiple times when 1 team has multiple players with WR over 50% and the other team doesn't have one at 50%
It's the inbalance like this that makes this game not as fun anymore, moreso than having to deal with subs, cv's and stoopid ships.
Despised subs . . . until I tried them. Contrary to popular belief among those that don't play them, subs are an extremely difficult class to play well. "Shotgunning" can be annoying as a surface ship, but the opportunity to do this as a sub comes up so very rarely; I would venture to say it's far more rare than a dev strike in a surface ship. I now respect a player that operates his sub well. It is really tough to survive, let along play really well.
Game pre flags, pre camo, no clans, no research pts, no steel, no coal, free xp ships just got added, german cruisers were just added. The warspite was the only UK ship out there. A million free xp would take a year.
I still think they are nerfing the wrong thing on subs. They need to nerf the periscope speed and the guided torpedoes. Shotgunning torpedoes were how submarines in WW2 actually worked.
I've been playing for a bit over a year now. I didn't see RTS CVs, or Brawler Supremacy. And I'm having fun.
Yes, some things need changes. Like with subs: The ping indicator could be a bit more accurate. T10s really should be slower underwater. And I actually _like_ subs.
I want new maps and game modes in randoms. And more operations!
Make (at least the T6) British CAs armor out of something stronger than aluminum. Or more range. Or a better heal. *Give them something to survive.*
Matchmaker: Get rid of double-up tiers, this often fixes *A LOT* of problems.
But in spite of these annoyances: I'm still grinding. I still want more boats. I've now got enough doubloons for the Wisconsin booster pack. And I want it.
Maybe WarGaming would listen to the community more if it wasn't so toxic to *every. single. thing.* Why the heck does *the update teaser* have majority dislikes? Most people love it when their game gets an update.
Play against subs - get pissed off by subs - play subs to learn how to counter them - learn that they cannot be countered - abandon whole tiers of surface ships (T6 is ruined due to U-69 being so vastly overpowered, T10 is one blowout after another) - only log on to unlock the daily chests, now also playing subs and seeing how miserable victims feel - no playing for fun anymore because the game flat-out isn't fun anymore for anyone unless one has the mentality of a sealclubber and enjoys playing the broken ships
The real issue, and this is intended by wargaming, is money squeeze. WG makes money from premium time and premium ships so releasing new premium ships / lines (to grind) is inevitable for them (see the constant adding of fictional designs as the list of "real world ships not yet in the game" gets smaller and smaller). As the overall number of ship increases balance gets thrown out the window and power creep becomes the name of the game.
They don't want to "fix the balance" when the next premium ship can curb stomp everything for three months in order to sell well, eventually gets nerfed in some way, new ship gets added and the cycle repeats.
World of Tanks is the same, War Thunder is even worse in some regards (better in others), this imbalance is an INTENDED FEATURE.
If you can find your fun within these limitations all the better but don't expect things to "improve" only to "evolve /S".
Netherlands airstrike will hit a sub if it's on surface or periscope depth. But yeah some way to aim, or at least know where they will hit, depth charges would be good.
Few days ago, I played 4 games and uninstalled the game.
- Three of these games I was against 2 suckmarines who ruin the game
- Two of the games included insulting players, one of them was even a suckmarine
This game is ruined by CVs, suckmarines and is producing a lot of toxic players (and I include myself because I am toxic when there are suckmarines involved)
I learned about six months ago it is a lot more fun watching other people play than playing myself because if you don't have big money to buy premium ships and lots of hours every day to polish your skills you will always be second rate at best.
Those titles are, more often than not, really negative. It doesnt make me want to even click on the link.
i just began playing in November and ive been having a blast. one thing ive noticed is a whole lotta people take the game way too serious. whenever i even just make a joke, it seems people take it personally? and are just bitter/angry all the time.
Even a bad day on Helldivers 2 is leagues above this game.
Im legitimately having more fun right now in the game than I ever had, I don’t play subs or cvs, I only play randoms, and ranked modes… but I’m also just better at the game than I was a year ago, and I always drop in divisions.
Games so much fun.