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  • What are the atheist "10 non-commandments" and how should Christians respond? Apologist Sean McDowell gives his two cents on each. Eric from Skeptics and Scoundrels joins me to respond to the responses.
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  • @skepticsandscoundrels
    @skepticsandscoundrels Місяць тому +532

    Well well well, if it isn't cartoon me!
    It was a pleasure collaborating with you Paul. Looking forward to next time!

    • @JimmyTuxTv
      @JimmyTuxTv Місяць тому +15

      well done mate

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 Місяць тому +9

      Hello Cartoon Me 🙋🏻‍♂️

    • @0125AR
      @0125AR Місяць тому +9

      Woo 🎉 Eric!!

    • @AFaitheistAzho64
      @AFaitheistAzho64 Місяць тому +11

      You made the big time and even better cartoon hair! Great break down Eric!

    • @DrKippDavis
      @DrKippDavis Місяць тому +10

      Cartoons are cool.

  • @billcook4768
    @billcook4768 Місяць тому +274

    Little known fact: There were originally 15 atheist non-commandments, but the tablet on which 11-15 were written dropped and broke.

    • @WhatDreamsMayCome10Z
      @WhatDreamsMayCome10Z Місяць тому +37

      15…I mean 10 commandments!

    • @googlestolemyhandle
      @googlestolemyhandle Місяць тому +21

      I think of this every time the commandments are mentioned. Maybe somewhere on that last tablet not owning other people was mentioned. We'll never know.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 Місяць тому +23

      Actually, god initially wanted to give Moses only three commandments, but Moses expressed his disappointment because he was hoping to get at least 15. So as a good Jew he started haggling and eventually he got home with ten. 😅
      I don’t remember where I heard that joke, unfortunately I am very bad at telling them. Feel free to borrow the idea if you know how to improve on it.😊

    • @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580
      @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580 Місяць тому +2

      And what about our ancestors???😊

    • @utubepunk
      @utubepunk Місяць тому +23

      Dog bless Mel Brooks.

  • @nagranoth_
    @nagranoth_ Місяць тому +229

    The irony of Sean, an apologist, actually pretending to agree with
    "follow the evidence"
    "don't believe things just because you want them to be true"
    ....
    It would be hilarious if it wasn't so sad..

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 Місяць тому +22

      Considering this is the same Sean who presented as 'atheist' to an apologism class full of students, is not that surprising.

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux Місяць тому +14

      The same dude who has pretended to be an atheist and delivered lectures, as such, to Christian kids.
      That’s a liar. He even told of an atheist kid who talked to him after the lecture. Still, it did not seem to occur to him how much of a betrayal this is.

    • @GeoPePeTto
      @GeoPePeTto Місяць тому +14

      There’s someone, who keeps stating”facts not feelings”, while wearing a kippah. So yeah. It’s nothing new.

    • @utubepunk
      @utubepunk Місяць тому +11

      ​@@GeoPePeTtoWhich is why I refer to him as DisinBenuous Shapiro.

    • @noneofyourbusiness7055
      @noneofyourbusiness7055 Місяць тому +2

      As I've also commented on his video, it's fascinating watching someone pay lip service to the value of research and science in understanding the natural world and following evidence where it leads... while limited in the evidence & conclusions he is allowed to accept by Biola's statement of faith, and also uncritically hosting & propping up known creationist liars.

  • @Chrismas815
    @Chrismas815 Місяць тому +244

    "For fun" is always a screaming admission of the apologists that theyd be willing to torture children

    • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
      @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 Місяць тому +30

      "If YHWH says to do it, ..."

    • @skinnyhedgehog
      @skinnyhedgehog Місяць тому +32

      They always mark those trips as for business, not for pleasure.

    • @ilmt
      @ilmt Місяць тому +11

      Not to mention that even that doesn't apply to all humans. From recent events in Ukraine and Israel/Gaza there exists reports of finds of remains of children who seemed have been tortured and killed in ways which can only be attributed to some kind of deprived fun.
      Yes all these reports could be fake as a propaganda, but given the number I do feel that there would be some truth to that.
      Also I don't think people who would do such a thing would do it knowing it's wrong. If you know you are doing wrong and do it anyway is because you'll gain something. I don't think they would gain something by torturing children (in "fun" way) against just executing them. I don't think it would work as psychological warfare, actually the opposite if you know someone did something like that you will gain new willpower to defend yourself and your loved ones not to give up - if you know that surrender will put you in that situation, you will fight to your last breath.

    • @dirtypickle77
      @dirtypickle77 Місяць тому +19

      Yes they sing songs like," lay my Isaac down". About when Abraham went to sacrifice his own son because God told him to. What % of Christians would kill their kid if they thought God ordered them to?

    • @Jcs57
      @Jcs57 Місяць тому +15

      Blind obedience and feelings the religion of no personal responsibility

  • @dasbus9834
    @dasbus9834 Місяць тому +94

    Why did nobody tell us about those commandments in last week's meeting over at Atheism headquarters?!?

    • @c.guydubois8270
      @c.guydubois8270 Місяць тому +13

      Cause you're not part of the inner circle...

    • @philw6056
      @philw6056 Місяць тому +11

      @@c.guydubois8270 I AM el comandante of the atheist network and nobody told me, too.

    • @SilverMKI
      @SilverMKI Місяць тому +10

      Because someone rang the gong early for the baby bbq buffet and everyone went out to gorge before the announcement could be made.

    • @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580
      @theeniwetoksymphonyorchest7580 Місяць тому +1

      You didn’t get the email?

    • @c.guydubois8270
      @c.guydubois8270 Місяць тому +3

      @@philw6056 self proclaimed I'm sure...

  • @DrKippDavis
    @DrKippDavis Місяць тому +54

    @05:31 There are actually THREE versions of the Ten Words-Exodus 20; Exodus 34; Deuteronomy 5.

    • @NorbertKasko
      @NorbertKasko Місяць тому

      Exodus 34:20 is "interesting" from a moral standpoint.

  • @craigbradford4850
    @craigbradford4850 Місяць тому +78

    It’s so bizarre when the the theists add the “for fun” to these horrific acts. Why can’t we just say it’s wrong to torture children. Period. If anyone asked me I would say they’re both horrible and disgusting. I don’t need the “for fun” qualifier.

    • @logicalmusicman5081
      @logicalmusicman5081 Місяць тому +22

      They have to account for God's command and Hell. Assuming God is not doing it for "fun" but rather motivated by love.
      So you can for love.
      Amazing morals.

    • @tobinfolly901
      @tobinfolly901 Місяць тому +2

      To be fair, if it wasn't for the 'for fun' qualifier, there would be situations where one could argue that it is moral to torture a child - things like 'Is it moral to torture a child if it means that a hundred other children are spared torture?'

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 Місяць тому +21

      It is even more bizarre when they also describe morality as 'absolute'. But refuse to drop those weird caviats.

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 Місяць тому +14

      ​@@tobinfolly901 I would argue thay both things are immoral, one less than the other but immoral nonetheless.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 Місяць тому +8

      It’s because they have to account for corporal punishment for children, which parents and even schools still practice. “Spare the rod… etc.”

  • @twill5626
    @twill5626 Місяць тому +81

    If Christian scholars actually believed in what they say they believe, they wouldn’t have to needlessly strawman every atheist argument, and would engage arguments in good faith. I refuse to believe this many Christian scholars have this much difficulty understanding the atheist arguments. This is willful ignorance, or just outright lying.

    • @Jcs57
      @Jcs57 Місяць тому +17

      If they truly feared an everlasting torture pit dishonesty wouldn’t be so prevalent amongst their group.

    • @ericmishima
      @ericmishima Місяць тому

      Indoctrination trains your brain to not work well. It's conditioning.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 Місяць тому +8

      Deep down they know that it’s all bs. 😅

    • @JonathonPawelko
      @JonathonPawelko Місяць тому +5

      This should be the example given when the definition of what a strawman argument is.

    • @TerranigmaQuintet
      @TerranigmaQuintet Місяць тому +1

      Theyre 100% lying obvioiusly, this is just one of their many silly attempts to paint atheism as a cult/religion itself, thinking its some kind of gotcha.

  • @letefte
    @letefte Місяць тому +52

    Book: These are “Atheist Non-commandments.”
    Sean: The Atheist commandments.
    More evidence that I am 100% correct in calling these people liars, formerly known as apologists.

    • @PedroCouto1982
      @PedroCouto1982 16 годин тому

      In that case, I think it should be given the benefit of the doubt.

  • @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018
    @greatcaesarsghostwriter3018 Місяць тому +32

    "Read the book?! Who has time for that? I'll just make stuff up!"

    • @advorak8529
      @advorak8529 Місяць тому +2

      I guess that is the same as they do with the bible … take a few random snippets, likely misunderstood and out of context and confabulate on that basis.

  • @goldenalt3166
    @goldenalt3166 Місяць тому +159

    Christians taking commandments out of context? To be fair, that's what they did to the Jewish ones, too.

    • @benkrapf
      @benkrapf Місяць тому +1

      That right there, ladies and gents, is what we call a burn.

    • @twitherspoon8954
      @twitherspoon8954 Місяць тому +4

      Should we expect God to know what the Ten Commandments are?
      Which was Jesus's sixth commandment?
      (Notice that Jesus lists only the secular commandments that make no mention of God):
      1. Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself:
      If thou wilt enter into life, keep the commandments. He saith unto him, Which? Jesus said, Thou shalt do no murder, Thou shalt not commit adultery, Thou shalt not steal, Thou shalt not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother: and, Thou shalt love thy neighbor as thyself.
      (Matthew 19:17-19)
      2. Honor thy father and mother:
      Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Defraud not, Honor thy father and mother.
      (Mark 10:19)
      3. There was no sixth. Jesus listed only five commandments:
      Thou knowest the commandments, Do not commit adultery, Do not kill, Do not steal, Do not bear false witness, Honor thy father and thy mother.
      (Luke 18:20)

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 Місяць тому +5

      @@twitherspoon8954 According to Christians, we should expect only that God had a good excuse for why the Bible doesn't match their beliefs. Anything else is putting God to the test.

    • @ari1234a
      @ari1234a Місяць тому

      @@goldenalt3166 Yahweh created Mormons so that Christians would know how Jews feel.

    • @sulas548
      @sulas548 Місяць тому +1

      Did anyone notice that the screen shot of Shaun's video shows that he has 244k subs and that the video is three months old and has only had 12k of views and 180 comments.
      Paul on the other hand has 127k of subs and this video has ( at time of writing)24k of views in 21 hours.

  • @sergehychko3659
    @sergehychko3659 Місяць тому +80

    So, Sean is "lying for jesus". Just another day in the neighborhood.

    • @patobrien235
      @patobrien235 Місяць тому +10

      Like father like son, kent and Eric hovind also spring to mind

    • @simonkoster
      @simonkoster Місяць тому +7

      I'm shocked SHOCKED I tell you!

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux Місяць тому +10

      Considering Sean cosplays as an atheist “professor” to Christian kids…it tracks.

  • @philw6056
    @philw6056 Місяць тому +16

    In what world does "you do you" mean there are no responsibilities and consequences?

    • @swolejeezy2603
      @swolejeezy2603 Місяць тому +2

      In fact I would argue “you do you” has the implication that you should do what you want while accepting whatever consequences arise from it. The person who says “you do you” isn’t shrugging off all responsibility, just any responsibility for your actions

  • @cathyharrop3348
    @cathyharrop3348 Місяць тому +15

    18:25: When Sean says it is wrong to torture a child "for fun" he is implicitly saying it is alright to torture a child to get them to renounce their expressed gender identity or their sexual peference or their lack of religious beliefs. And he has to say the "for fun" because he does endorse the idea that children should be tortured "for God."

    • @JD-wu5pf
      @JD-wu5pf Місяць тому +1

      This just... isn't true. I think it's wrong to torture a child for fun and also think it's wrong to torture children with conversion therapy.
      Your comment is the atheist equivalent of "people are only atheist because they want to sin". It's wildly disingenuous, untrue, and actively avoids addressing the issue at hand.

    • @RocketboyX
      @RocketboyX Місяць тому +5

      ​@@JD-wu5pfThen I dare apologists to drop 'for fun' from their oft repeated argument.

    • @JD-wu5pf
      @JD-wu5pf Місяць тому

      @@RocketboyX Why? "Torturing children for fun" is correct and prevents hypothetical situations from derailing the conversation.
      Why should they drop it? It only seems to bother the lowest rung of atheists.

    • @RocketboyX
      @RocketboyX Місяць тому +3

      ​@@JD-wu5pfIt does the exact opposite that you claim, and we both know why theists use the qualifier.

    • @JD-wu5pf
      @JD-wu5pf Місяць тому

      @@RocketboyX It really doesn't. It clearly just replaces one problem (pedantic assholes who will give crazy hypotheticals to win an argument) with another (smug assholes whinging about the modifier), but it certainly doesn't do "the exact opposite."
      I just told you why theists do it.

  • @Aanthanur
    @Aanthanur Місяць тому +98

    All religions that say lying is a sin, often have very dishonest apologists.

    • @LordOfThePancakes
      @LordOfThePancakes Місяць тому

      Not according to atheism. Atheism actually encourages lying since the only morality atheism has to offer is get ahead by “any means possible.” When there is no foundation of principle, and atheists default to animalistic instinct, community, morality and purpose go right out the window.
      “But God proved his love for us in this; While we were still sinners, Christ died for us.” (Romans 1:4-1:18) ✝️

    • @NicholasMarshall
      @NicholasMarshall Місяць тому +39

      ​@@LordOfThePancakes thanks for proving his point. Theists can't help but lie about those who reject their beliefs.

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 Місяць тому +23

      ​​​​@@LordOfThePancakes Nope, that is christian morality, where the first thing that matter is 'you shall have no other gods before me' by any means necesary, including lying.
      'So god loved the world that he sacrificed himself to himself for a mistake he himself commit to begin with'
      Nice try though.

    • @dirtypickle77
      @dirtypickle77 Місяць тому +18

      ​​another way to say it is, God sacrificed himself to himself to save us from himself.

    • @dirtypickle77
      @dirtypickle77 Місяць тому +15

      ​@@LordOfThePancakes According to atheism? The stance most atheist have is agnostic. Christians say morality comes from God, prove that. Sensible athiest don't say where it comes from but go with evidence of where it comes from. When you make a claim, you adopt the burden of proof. You should not make claims to things you can not prove.

  • @TheBarelyBearableAtheist
    @TheBarelyBearableAtheist Місяць тому +13

    When I left Christianity, I was astonished at how much more meaning and purpose I found in life now that christian mythology was no longer obstructing my view. Sean keeps expressing how unable he is to find meaning and purpose and morality in the world around us, not realizing that he's indicting his own faith. Yes, religion _does_ obstruct believers' view of the meaning and purpose that surrounds us in the world of objective reality. Thank you, Sean, for being so honest about it.

  • @logicalmusicman5081
    @logicalmusicman5081 Місяць тому +22

    Shaun is interpreting off a source that is an interpretation of another source. Without knowing anything of the original source and the accuracy of the interpretation.
    His research is in line with apologetics.

  • @karachaffee3343
    @karachaffee3343 Місяць тому +19

    Lying in the furtherance of the faith is a time honored tradition.

    • @bobvail1000
      @bobvail1000 Місяць тому

      "The ends justify the means" is the ultimate Christian commandment.

  • @logicalmusicman5081
    @logicalmusicman5081 Місяць тому +17

    I cant stand the false dichotomy that was setup with bodily autonomy. Thank you for clearing that up, Paul.

  • @brianroyster7510
    @brianroyster7510 Місяць тому +22

    Instead of "non-commandments" how about "The Ten Suggestions."

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Місяць тому +4

      "Ten Mild Advocations"

  • @brucewilliams4152
    @brucewilliams4152 Місяць тому +48

    As an atheist, I don't have commandments. Just a lack.if demonstrable evidence for any God!

  • @LarryMarvin
    @LarryMarvin Місяць тому +13

    Atheist commandments?! No! That's one of the great things about being an atheist. We think for ourselves.

  • @DrKippDavis
    @DrKippDavis Місяць тому +28

    Oh. My. God.
    Sean's son's name is "Scottie"? The material writes itself. I am laughing my ass off.

    • @drachireidnoc6659
      @drachireidnoc6659 Місяць тому

      What’s the reference?

    • @DrKippDavis
      @DrKippDavis Місяць тому +5

      ​@@drachireidnoc6659 Austin Powers. @Paulogia has some of the clips at the beginning of the video.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 Місяць тому +3

      Maybe I watch too many paleontology videos. First thing I thought was Scotty, the biggest T-rex specimen found so far. 😅

    • @drachireidnoc6659
      @drachireidnoc6659 Місяць тому +1

      @@DrKippDavisoh I must have missed that. When I think of Scottie I think “beam me up Scottie”

    • @DrKippDavis
      @DrKippDavis Місяць тому +1

      @@pansepot1490 "Maybe I watch too many paleontology videos."
      I am going to go ahead and conclude, "Yes."

  • @solacedagony1234
    @solacedagony1234 Місяць тому +55

    I'm still waiting for theists to define "atheist worldview".

    • @MatecaCorp
      @MatecaCorp Місяць тому +10

      Oh they define it plenty, they just make up the definitions to fit their lies

    • @75ur15
      @75ur15 Місяць тому

      ​@MatecaCorp correction
      Atheist world view is sin and hates God so they turn their back....pleasure before virtue. ... REEEEEEEEEE!
      that seems to be how they define it.

    • @RiiDIi
      @RiiDIi Місяць тому +3

      You can’t prove there isn’t an atheist worldview so it must be true. 😂

    • @solacedagony1234
      @solacedagony1234 Місяць тому

      @@RiiDIi lol

    • @genem2768
      @genem2768 Місяць тому

      I'd like them to define the theist world view. Just the fact that there are, and have been in the past, so many different religions with different and contradicting beliefs would seem to make it impossible to have any consistent world view.

  • @imcarlabee
    @imcarlabee Місяць тому +19

    Science is a better technique than prayer for arriving at truth by a factor that is impossible to overstate. All the prayer over thousands of years never got us any closer to Newton's theory of gravitation or the Germ Theory of Disease. And they never would have. In that sense, an approach informed by the scientific method is infinitely better than prayer.

    • @TheGreatAgnostic
      @TheGreatAgnostic Місяць тому

      Not to mention the prayers of a billion Hindus don't usually lead to their discovery of the true God, or the Muslims, or the etc.

  • @wilhelmschmidt7240
    @wilhelmschmidt7240 Місяць тому +7

    I saw the title and was immediately like "WTF, how would that even work?", and as I see it doesn't and this is just one guy being especially dumb 😂😂😂

  • @grapeshot
    @grapeshot Місяць тому +17

    Yep, atheism is not a religion it's just the answer to a question: Do you believe in the existence of god or gods, and the answer is no.

  • @johngagnon9269
    @johngagnon9269 Місяць тому +107

    It's the " for fun" part that gets me. Implying that there are legitimate reasons to torture babys.

    • @jonovens7974
      @jonovens7974 Місяць тому

      Mr Diety is doing a series on Low Bar Bill and his arguments for why it was good that god ordered the murder of babies. It is absolutely horrific the lengths William L. Craig will go to to justify the objective morality bullcrap.

    • @SloMoMonday
      @SloMoMonday Місяць тому +12

      It's a sickening way to justify the countless cases of child suffering throughout history. At this point it'd be easier to just embrace the problem of evil and say God is selectively loving because of some excuses. Maybe the Fall. They love blaming the fall.

    • @RebellionInHell
      @RebellionInHell Місяць тому +12

      I think it was just “torture babies” at first, but then someone pointed out that God does this in the Bible through events like the flood.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 Місяць тому +10

      No, it’s not because of ancient history. It’s because corporal punishment for children is still popular among sections of Christians. I heard that it’s still in use in some schools.

    • @JD-wu5pf
      @JD-wu5pf Місяць тому +1

      Are these comments getting riled up about the "for fun" bit AI generated or something? Why do so many people care about that phrase? It's used all the time in hypotheticals to prevent pedantic nerds from coming up with hyper specific situations to undermine the point being made.

  • @lizsmith8454
    @lizsmith8454 Місяць тому +7

    Whenever one of these apologists says, “but why be moral if there is no god?” all I hear is the spoiled teenager in a movie saying, “my parents aren’t here! We can have a huge party at my house!”

  • @gupdoo3
    @gupdoo3 Місяць тому +7

    My personal favorite version of the golden rule is "be excellent to one another"

  • @kjejon1
    @kjejon1 Місяць тому +28

    "Scotty doesn't know" ( EuroTrip)

    • @muadeeb
      @muadeeb Місяць тому +2

      Kept waiting for that reference

  • @AlexS-pv4rn
    @AlexS-pv4rn Місяць тому +17

    Their lack of self-awareness would be comical if it weren't so sad. And so horrifying.

  • @UranusKiller
    @UranusKiller Місяць тому +10

    "What good is your garden, if faeries don't live under it?"
    I grew up with Brian Froud's book, "Faeries" and a mother who was (and still is) a passionate gardener. I absolutely love this quote and the concept behind it!
    Thank you so much for a breath of inspiration for this upcoming Mother's Day!

  • @user-lk7wk3cd8e
    @user-lk7wk3cd8e Місяць тому +4

    I didn’t get the Atheist Worldview Handbook when I deconverted.

    • @ChristopherSadlowski
      @ChristopherSadlowski 6 днів тому +1

      You didn't? I'll contact headquarters and make sure they send it to you. How else will we destroy the world if we all don't have the manual to follow?
      /S

  • @johnburn8031
    @johnburn8031 Місяць тому +17

    Fun fact. In the Bible the "Ten Commandments" are not called the Ten Commandments in Hebrew. A better translation would be the "Ten Words."
    Here are my favourite Ten Commandments:
    Yes, it's blank for a reason! 😉

    • @reformCopyright
      @reformCopyright Місяць тому +3

      Oh, come on, you have to agree that boiling a goat in its mother's milk is evil and that a commandment against it is funny!

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 Місяць тому +1

      @@reformCopyright I really don't get that Commandment. Did Moses have a friend who thought their kid* cooked in its mother's milk was an awesome recipe? 🤷🏻‍♂
      *Not their child, just to clarify, but the mother goats bsby.

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Місяць тому +1

      @@johnburn8031 It would taste better with paprika, but that wasn't available before trade with the New World. If only the ancestors of the Mormons had thought to send their wooden submarines back to the Levant we wouldn't have had to wait for so long.

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 Місяць тому

      @@RichWoods23 I thought paprika was from India. 🤷🏻‍♂

    • @RichWoods23
      @RichWoods23 Місяць тому

      @@johnburn8031 Capsicums are native to the Americas. It's ironic that Columbus was aiming to reach the Indies to take advantage of the spice trade when he discovered the Americas, yet while he and the subsequent European explorers brought solanaceae plants back to Europe arguably their most significant adoption (other than for potatoes) was in the Indies.

  • @EllEss331
    @EllEss331 Місяць тому +4

    11:14 "The only thing I enjoy from my atheism is my intellectual integrity." What a journey it is to get to this place!

  • @DocReasonable
    @DocReasonable Місяць тому +12

    Only two of the 10 commandments are laws today in any civilized country.

    • @Julian0101
      @Julian0101 Місяць тому +5

      And one of those use a legal term anyway, so the law existed before the bible tried to hijack the idea.

    • @SilverMKI
      @SilverMKI Місяць тому +4

      And even then there are exceptions. "Thou shall not kill - unless the government is instructed by its paymasters who want to go somewhere sandy with oil and change the ruling regime."

  • @MythVisionPodcast
    @MythVisionPodcast Місяць тому +14

    This was fantastic friends ❤

  • @CharlesPayet
    @CharlesPayet Місяць тому +8

    Oh, come on, guys. You didn’t actually expect an apologist to do a deep dive into information to understand its foundations, nuances, etc, did you? When do they EVER do that?

  • @HarryNicNicholas
    @HarryNicNicholas Місяць тому +17

    as if being religious weren't cringe enough, you have to have your dad patronise you too.

  • @corringhamdepot4434
    @corringhamdepot4434 Місяць тому +18

    From CNN website, "The contest drew more than 2,800 submissions from 18 countries and 27 U.S. states, according to Bayer and Figdor. The proposed “non-commandments” ranged from the quizzical (“Don’t follow your nature”) to the quixotic (“Thriving in space is the ultimate goal”). A team of 13 judges selected 10 of the more sober and serious submissions, and announced the winners Friday".

    • @MatecaCorp
      @MatecaCorp Місяць тому

      2800 people is a modestly sized Discord server. Hardly a far reaching study.

    • @christasimon9716
      @christasimon9716 Місяць тому +4

      Why my "Don't be part of the problem; be the entire problem" commandment was not chosen, I can only ascribe to blatant favoritism on the part of the judges.

  • @charliemallonee2792
    @charliemallonee2792 Місяць тому +4

    I prefer the 8 “I Really Rather You Didn’ts” given to us by the almighty Flying Spaghetti Monster.

  • @jonnekallu1627
    @jonnekallu1627 Місяць тому +8

    "CNN new atheist commandments"
    Wait! What were the old CNN atheist commandments?

  • @uninspired3583
    @uninspired3583 Місяць тому +5

    Holy balls, the word objective was bent over and just railed over and over. I'm glad Paul's guest addressed this, and did so with elequence.

  • @nodengineer1580
    @nodengineer1580 Місяць тому +10

    Most Christians, I myself was one of them, are brought up taught to believe that, yes, you are worthless without God. Even as an ex-Christian now, I really struggle with seeing value and worth in myself. I never built those muscles for myself, and therefore my worth has ALWAYS been determined outside of myself. Sean might very well feel worthless if god was proven to be false

    • @JD-wu5pf
      @JD-wu5pf Місяць тому

      Humans are intrinsically worthless, and I think the fact that we find our own worth and value in this vast, uncaring, indifferent universe is a beautiful thing.

    • @nodengineer1580
      @nodengineer1580 Місяць тому +1

      @@JD-wu5pf yeah I’m not sure that’s the most helpful outlook for individuals like me…

  • @brightargyle8950
    @brightargyle8950 Місяць тому +10

    An apologist misrepresenting, misunderstanding or lying? Not supplying a link to source material? Not reading the article they're discussing? I'm shocked!
    Good video though, thank you for addressing this one and calling Sean out for this.

  • @Nocturnalux
    @Nocturnalux Місяць тому +12

    Let’s not forget that Sean has pretended to be “an atheist professor” to an audience at a Christian college. He saw no issues with doing this and more than once, too.
    Basically, he lied to a bunch of kids while strawmaning “the other side”. He even mentions an atheist kid who was in the audience and spoke to him afterwards and still did not see how much of a betrayal this is.
    As someone who was a kid in Catholic school, such a stunt would have been an insult, at best.
    So all this talk of “pursuing truth” is just absurd coming from him.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin Місяць тому +4

      And he didn’t bother steelmanning the atheist position. Or, if he did, it shows how little he understands the atheist perspective.

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux Місяць тому +3

      @@Rhewin All he did was strawman it. Dude even wore glasses, that he does not normally wear, because it was cosplay.
      He did not just lie about being an atheist but a professor at a university.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin Місяць тому +1

      @@Nocturnalux normally he presents it as the “Atheist Experience” for churches, and they know what he’s doing. For some reason his professor buddy thought the deception would be a good idea. Genetically Modified Skeptic at least was grateful that Sean’s message was about listening to atheists instead of talking over them, but also found it disappointing they weren’t willing to talk to a real atheist.

    • @Nocturnalux
      @Nocturnalux Місяць тому +1

      @@Rhewin I was an atheist in Catholic school, if he had pulled this stunt on me, I would have been angry beyond belief.
      Even done once, it is very telling that he could just stand there for over an hour, lying to kids.
      I mean, forget how unfair this is to atheists. It is disrespectful to the audience. There was even an atheist girl who came talk to him after the lecture and he still did not see how gross this was to her.

  • @Ayelmar
    @Ayelmar Місяць тому +10

    My personal version of the "do unto others" "commandment" is "Do unto others as they would have you do unto them." Not unlike the 8th "(non-) commandment" mentioned.
    As I explain it, I enjoy a good ham sandwich, and if you gave me one, I'd really appreciate it. But for my Jewish and Muslim friends, it's no treat at all -- and for my friends with Celiac Disease, it could become a medical emergency.
    So, ask. Communicate. Find out what your neighbors want and need, and do what you can to help.

  • @gagaplex
    @gagaplex Місяць тому +7

    I didn't even know we had commandments. I thought we are the proverbial herd of cats. 😂

  • @TheLivingDinosaur
    @TheLivingDinosaur Місяць тому +5

    I have to say that I, for one, am very grateful to Sean for this wonderful example of the quality of the research being conducted at Biola "University". With such lofty and impeccable standards of academic rigor, it's little wonder that this august institution is able to attract intellectual leviathans such as Sean and Mr. William Lane Craig.

  • @blahsaysme2u
    @blahsaysme2u Місяць тому +4

    Exjw here and you have new sub eric!!! Loved this paul- you have helped so many learn to think critically..

  • @benkrapf
    @benkrapf Місяць тому +3

    And, the article is TEN FREAKING YEARS OLD!

  • @SilverMKI
    @SilverMKI Місяць тому +9

    Lmao at the Dr Evil inserts.

  • @cggambill
    @cggambill Місяць тому +3

    People who can't determine right from wrong are called sociopaths/psychopaths because they lack empathy, not because lack "god".

  • @rebeccazegstroo6786
    @rebeccazegstroo6786 Місяць тому +4

    Sean's "objective good" includes proselytizing even when people say, "no thanks, heard it". He might go so far (but doesn't say out loud) as to think forcing people to believe what he believes is loving.

  • @brandonhill1096
    @brandonhill1096 Місяць тому +4

    You had me at your first comment about how atheists would respond to hearing we have commandments!!! How completely ridiculous.

  • @krzyszwojciech
    @krzyszwojciech Місяць тому +4

    "All truth is proportional to the evidence".
    More like all belief is or at least should be proportional to the evidence.
    Truth itself is the horizon where we want to point our beliefs, hopefully better and better approximating it with time.

  • @GreatgoatonFire
    @GreatgoatonFire Місяць тому +7

    Man, that beaker full of strawberries has to be the silliest stock video I've seen it a while.

  • @seraphonica
    @seraphonica Місяць тому +2

    with Sean and Scottie trying to make these into Commandments, it made me think of the George Carlin routine about how he'd revise the Commandments. good stuff.

  • @h.l.aristosolies5292
    @h.l.aristosolies5292 Місяць тому +20

    Scotty wants to continue the family grift.

    • @pansepot1490
      @pansepot1490 Місяць тому +3

      Easier than getting an actual job.

    • @tidallock848
      @tidallock848 17 днів тому

      Too bad he has even less charisma and stage presence than his dad. Maybe he should just be a youth pastor or a drummer for the worship team.

  • @tiffanyh1274
    @tiffanyh1274 Місяць тому +4

    It’s gotta be more than frustrating to be misrepresented by these two. I’m not an atheist but I see how people can view Christians as arrogant. The least they could have done was read the article. Just lazy. It’s not the right thing to do. Great video.

  • @Anonymouthful
    @Anonymouthful Місяць тому +5

    Imagine how miserable people like Sean would be if they didnt have religion to validate their existance.

    • @Rhewin
      @Rhewin Місяць тому +1

      It’s definitely not fun when you lose it, but so much better when you realize you get to find your own validations and meanings.

  • @CharlesDriver-hj4xp
    @CharlesDriver-hj4xp Місяць тому +3

    You had me at "you don't boil goat in milk"😂🤣

  • @markgiles3
    @markgiles3 Місяць тому +3

    I thought Sean said, torturing children for fun was a bad thing to do. Poor Scotty.

  • @magicpigfpv6989
    @magicpigfpv6989 Місяць тому +7

    Thumbs up just for the Scotty cut! 🎉

  • @CrimWorld9
    @CrimWorld9 Місяць тому +3

    When he mentioned that do onto others what is their objective best is the most HORRIFYING LINE I COULD EVER EAR
    Because everyone knows what they mean when they say 'objective'

  • @jessezeck9818
    @jessezeck9818 Місяць тому +5

    Ok, we need a handbook or something. These theists know ALLL of our rules, and I have not been notified of any of these ever.

  • @charlesloeffler333
    @charlesloeffler333 Місяць тому +4

    When I was in high school and if my dad had ever answer any question with in a happy voice weaving his way between solid statements, I would have known he was hiding something

  • @BrettCoryell
    @BrettCoryell Місяць тому +6

    Wait, Sean didnt read the book, cite his sources, or fairly characterize atheists? Its almost like he doesnt care about the truth!

  • @christopherbrzezinski1743
    @christopherbrzezinski1743 Місяць тому +4

    What are these atheist commandments and why was I not informed by any of the secret societies?

  • @Julian0101
    @Julian0101 Місяць тому +3

    13:17 I love how sean mentions how god, a mind, *subjectively* gave us the ability to check truth and thus is valuable, but his critic is that atheism *doesnt have an objective* way to find value on it.

  • @laurajarrell6187
    @laurajarrell6187 Місяць тому +7

    Paulogia, great video, I love the collab with Skeptics and Scoundrels ! I think Sean wants to keep as many liking him as possible!👍💙💙💙🥰✌

  • @elainejohnson6955
    @elainejohnson6955 Місяць тому +3

    Excellent guest! Thanks, Eric and Paulogia!

  • @mattdrat3087
    @mattdrat3087 Місяць тому +5

    So sad to see his son nodding along with the ridiculous garbage flowing so freely from his fathers mouth...

  • @danflumerfelt2247
    @danflumerfelt2247 Місяць тому +3

    "Isn't torturing a kid for fun" exactly what God did to Abraham's kid? Calling it a test of obedience doesn't make it any less scaring for the kid.

  • @uribensh
    @uribensh Місяць тому +3

    Great video, thanks !

  • @avi8r66
    @avi8r66 Місяць тому +4

    That need to identify an authority figure before caring about the idea is just insane. "You should drink muratic acid"... "Yeah? Who says? If it's not a rule from a supernatural being then I don't care."

  • @AFaitheistAzho64
    @AFaitheistAzho64 Місяць тому +3

    Eric has made it he is now a cartoon! And great input and hair Eric great video to both of you and a great take down of Sean.

  • @acerx203
    @acerx203 Місяць тому +4

    At this point apologists are just lying to keep their "flocks" and their paychecks.

  • @UnKnown-xs7jt
    @UnKnown-xs7jt Місяць тому +2

    Thanks for your hard work in creating these presentations

  • @claybfx
    @claybfx Місяць тому +3

    I can’t believe he’d ask Scottie; it’s been well established that Scottie doesn’t know.

  • @Marconius6
    @Marconius6 Місяць тому +4

    I dunno man, the one about boiling a baby goat in its mother's milk? That's a classic, can't replace that.

    • @cullenjohnson0
      @cullenjohnson0 Місяць тому +3

      What if you braise instead of boiling?

  • @graladue
    @graladue Місяць тому +3

    I would disagree slightly with the assertion "the world is real". I don't think we can definitely say that. I much prefer "The World appears to be real given the current evidence of our senses.".

    • @Rogstin
      @Rogstin Місяць тому +2

      This entirely depends on what one means by real.

  • @crassbusinessman3122
    @crassbusinessman3122 Місяць тому +2

    Paul....I love you dude. These cuts always take me back to a wonderful time in cinema. Gets me every time XD

  • @goldenalt3166
    @goldenalt3166 Місяць тому +7

    18:28 How about torturing children for God? Or by God? Does your being say that torturing children is the best method for some goal?? Why the "for fun"?

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 Місяць тому +4

      They add for fun so they can avoid the obvious contradiction between them saying "It is wrong to torture children" and God ordering children being tortured to death or torturing children in Hell. They can ssy, but those aren't for fun.

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 Місяць тому +5

      @@johnburn8031 Except God has no needs so everything he does is because he wants to. And he has no limitations so everything he does is because he wants that thing. So basically everything God does is "for fun".

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 Місяць тому +4

      @@goldenalt3166 that is a valid point, but most apologists seem to have a very Puritanical view of God. God doesn't do things for "fun" -but to stroke his ego- I mean for his "Glory."

    • @goldenalt3166
      @goldenalt3166 Місяць тому +1

      @@johnburn8031 Yes, "it's wrong to torture babies unless it's for personal glory", sounds reasonable to me. 😊

    • @johnburn8031
      @johnburn8031 Місяць тому +1

      @@goldenalt3166 very reasonable! 🤦🏻‍♂😉

  • @Sephiroth144
    @Sephiroth144 Місяць тому +3

    First question- WTF are the "Atheist Ten Commandments"
    Second question- WTF cares, cuz Atheism isn't a religion.

  • @bitcores
    @bitcores Місяць тому +2

    I skipped to the end just to be sure, but the mugs are also suspiciously positioned to be displaying the text on them and never move.

  • @erin6784
    @erin6784 Місяць тому +1

    Excellent book recommendation! Will add it to my list!

  • @archapmangcmg
    @archapmangcmg Місяць тому +5

    Torturing for fun is wrong.. but Sean's god can't be torturing people to help them. The torture never ends. There's no necessity to it. God could have set things up differently and, indeed, changing the setup was the point of Jesus' theatre.
    Torturing infinitely cannot be just so justice cannot be the cause.
    What is left other than God is torturing babies for his own desires? Essentially, for fun.

  • @traviswolcott
    @traviswolcott Місяць тому +3

    How about it is wrong to torture anyone..... for any reason.

  • @RandolfRichardson
    @RandolfRichardson Місяць тому

    @Paulogia: This is such an excellent review. I look forward to further examinations of how the 10 Commandments may be improved on. I've also created my own improvement to The Golden Rule, which I call The Golden Preference: "Strive to treat others in accordance with their preferences." I don't like the idea of calling this sort of attitude a "rule," so I chose to call it a "preference" and I carefully chose to use the word "strive" to emphasize the general fact that it may not be possible to achieve goals despite our best efforts. I believe that if people navigate through life with better intentions that this should increase the potential for a higher volume of better outcomes. (I added your video to one of my UA-cam Playlists that's featured on my UA-cam channel home page.)

  • @Oswlek
    @Oswlek Місяць тому +2

    Since when does "bodily autonomy" conflict with "be mindful of how others are affected"?

  • @jursamaj
    @jursamaj Місяць тому +4

    18:19 As soon as he said "torture a child", I knew "for fun" was coming right after. These professional apologists *always* put it that way. Because they have to, since their god is perfectly fine with torturing children.
    21:05 How is nakedness harming people? This is pure nonsense.
    28:00 This is interesting. Sean is to be committed to your objective best. Which *he* gets to determine, and impose on you. This is just his excuse for doing whatever *he* wants to do.
    35:30 Christians absolutely do *not* agree on the 10 Commandments, neither what they are nor what they mean.

  • @masscreationbroadcasts
    @masscreationbroadcasts Місяць тому +4

    This could go a couple of ways:
    1) Some atheist or organization made an actual list
    2) They're observations about atheists that generally tend to be true.
    If it's 2, I hope it's insightful.

  • @noodlekeeper5150
    @noodlekeeper5150 Місяць тому +1

    "He's not out to challenge himself" is such a harsh indictement of Sean's character. I agree with Eric. I think Sean is never looking to challenge his views, and really test them.

  • @richardsmith6830
    @richardsmith6830 Місяць тому

    Great program!

  • @omarvasquez6851
    @omarvasquez6851 Місяць тому +3

    The Bible says that I was made in the image of god, I guess that explains why I am an Atheist.

  • @calasia7896
    @calasia7896 Місяць тому +3

    I love how Sean had to qualify the 'torturing children' with the word 'fun', like wtf? It's okie dokie if it's not fun???

    • @skepticsandscoundrels
      @skepticsandscoundrels Місяць тому +1

      Gotta build in that escape hatch for the response he 100% knows he'll get to his statement.

    • @calasia7896
      @calasia7896 Місяць тому

      @@skepticsandscoundrels Great analysis Eric!

  • @eugenebraig413
    @eugenebraig413 Місяць тому +1

    Whoa. Eric's plaid is totally camouflaged against that bookcase backdrop.

  • @donnagodfrey1924
    @donnagodfrey1924 Місяць тому

    Paul, your production skills are just awesome. Creative, professional and intelligent, entertaining and educational. I can't guess the time needed to produce and edit, but must be a lot. Great content too. Greetings and thanks from a regular viewer in South Africa. P.S. Hi Shannon. Gosh, your laugh is contagious! Thanks for the smiles. And love your demeanor - Fair, fierce and funny. x