KDE Neon Long Term Review
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- Опубліковано 9 лип 2024
- I used KDE Neon on all my computers for a month. Here is my Long Term Review.
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==== Time Stamps ====
0:00 Intro
0:33 What is KDE Neon?
1:33 Installation
2:31 Out of the Box Experience
4:24 Pre Installed Software
6:00 My Setup and Workflow
8:50 Software Availability
11:27 PKCON
13:52 Gaming
19:04 Stability
21:47 Problems I Had
25:15 Community and Support
27:45 Who Is It For?
28:56 My Conclusions
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It seems weird that if you want the latest version of something, you have to use a distro that is ultimately based on Debian Stable.
Better than having an exact replica of Kubuntu/Garuda KDE-git
Pkcon is a cross platform package maintenance program. It can be use with sudo and updates without need root permissions so it makes like easier for users and they changed some in neon and want you to use apt full- upgrade because apt update doesn't full upgrade packages that need to be removed. Pkcon update handles all that for you. Pkcon can be used and installed on any distro is the universal update feature for cockpit and other software
Very good review , Matt, very complete and informative. I like the desktop, it think I would use it if I wasn't using i3 . I too am a tiling wm user. I would like to try other ones , but I have memorized the keys for i3 and started becoming proficient at configurating it, so I can't find one better at both. I like the long term review format......much better info...keep it up Matt.
Nice video! My level of knowledge precludes using Neon as a daily driver but I have it on an old laptop for certain non-critical uses just because I've liked it from its earliest days and using the latest Plasma version is just too hard to resist. They apparently don't call it a distro because nothing is tested on it but the Plasma desktop with a handful of KDE applications. I lost it repeatedly years ago when an update would sometimes bork it but it seems impressively stable nowadays.
Thank you for the in depth look at KDE Neon. I really like Debian based systems and have recently started to jump ship from Gnome to KDE environments. I think I will be giving it a try after watching this video. I have tried KUBUNTU, but did not like it at all. I also downloaded and installed Debian 11 from scratch with the KDE desktop, and I liked it better than KUBUNTU as well. Again, thanks!
Thanks for the video! I've been a Mint (Cinnamon) user for a while. Recently I put Q4OS on an old laptop to mess around with. The KDE Plasma environment blew me away. For the past week I've been trying to decide between KDE Neon or Kubuntu. I'm leaning towards Neon but still up in the air.
KDE is the desktop environment of all time
Nah. Almost only old people use KDE nowadays lol
KDE Neon Score: 1 out of 5 - How I as a VIsually Impaired evaluate a product:
1. Does it enable a Dark Theme by default?
2. Can it be switched to a Dark Theme?
3. Are the Text/Icons/Pointers large and readable?
4. Can the Text / Icons / Mouse Pointer/Cursors be changed to a very large size?
5. Does it maintain the Dark theme and large text/icons/mouse pointer througout all applications?
For me, trying to read black text on a white background (in a dialog box) would be like you staring into the sun. NOt only is it painful, you see absolutely nothing inside it. I see the world like you would see the world thorugh a frosted car Window on a cold winter day. It's very bright and blurry. If someone held a STOP sign up to your window, you could read it, but as they moved further away, it would blur to a red smudge and then disappear into a world of blur.
Final verdict: FAIL> UNUSABLE
I was able to change to a Dark Theme with black background. No support for large mouse pointers. Installation was very painful. Does not maintain the Dark Theme throughout all applications.
Very useful and informative review - got a new desktop and racking my brains what dual boot to go for - like older games from the 90s so thinking Win7 but for linux i cant decide do i go for the solid but basic Mint, the new Solus because i am a fan or go for something more snazzy like KDE Neon Plasma or Deepin - many thanks for any feedback on the linux choice
Great video!
awesome review. Kudos for being objective about your subjectivity (you love fedora and that's fine)
Excellent video.
hey i know its basically "gentoo" but i noticed on a like a top 5 video of favorite distros you put Redcore linux in it im more interested in that and would like to suggest you using it as a "long term" or do a couple videos on it like getting started for someone who's never used gentoo before. im currently using manjaro, everything just works, i did try redcore it ran so good and i loved the out of the box minimalization. only issue i had was learning how to install stuff as "sudo" wasn't the thing i figured out how to install stuff "i think" but i had an issue with steam. it worked but then after installing things it didn't work. not sure if there package was older or if i did something wrong.
not sure if i know enough to learn gentoo. but that distro is really nice. and i'd love to learn more about it.
If you have a multi-monitor setup, and I can understand that sometimes windows open on the wrong monitor. There are also multiple issues. If you have a portrait monitor, some programs can really cause a serious problem with scaling.
Really nice👍
Why you did not try "bismuth" tiling with "movewindowwithfocus" script?
Also setup kde panel similar to your tiling wm preference?
I do do at another distro and do not find a single reason to switch back to tiling wm.
Might you share your opinion, please?
"I am not a gamer"
"I wanna make another YT channel and play this game"
Getting mixed signals here bud!!!
Lol, we need to take back the gamer title. It doesn't just mean someone that gets sweaty and wins.
Great content as always Matt
Could u solve the problem changing themes? im getting the same error, but on Kubuntu instead. "Server stopped accepting new streams before this stream was established"
Googled for a couple minutes, not that much info.
can we have a customization video like you on kde neon? loved the setup btw
You have similar colors and icons as me. I'm still on Fedora KDE. I prefer the taskbar on top with the clock centered. I'm not sure why since I'm coming from Windows.
I have a wild idea that might help you with the issue with monitors. I have noticed that commands shutdown and poweroff do something with the power settings after which the monitors turn off. You can look if these solve your problem.
Why there not a ubuntu where you can choose your DE like on endeavour
On discover , go to the settings and you set sources like flatpak as the default
I like the overall look of KDE, but with any distro I have the issue of blank screen after waking up from sleep. I would get that error pop up when looking at themes or icons and I tried to search or change something while it was still loading.
I was about to comment on the error browsing the themes from within the settings application. It happened several times to me as well and found others pointing at the issue on some forums. It looks like the app crashes while trying to fetch content from the site, but I used to manage around it by using the web version to check them out, it works much quicker. Then once I chose the one I wanted I directly searched for it in the local app to install it.
The biggest issue I've found myself during my last months of use is, whenever the kernel is updated it doesn't remove older versions. I investigated and read that it doesn't mark them as manual installs so they aren't purged when they get old. This caused my drive to fill two or three times until I noticed the culprit, notwI just have a cron job to ensure they are removed and I just keep the latest two or three just in case.
My favourite distro of all time. Very stable so far after almost one year of daily usge. Can't com0lain really on anything. I run it on 2 laptops and 2 pcs. Recommended for all who wants a nice fast and stable linux desktop.
i might jump over from popOs, I really dont like gnome and how inconsistent it is visually and pretty much using kde because of that.
Thanks for sharing your experience. It appeals because it starts off as a pure implementation with no cruft,
I prefer Pixel phones because they are just pure android no garbage added on. This looks like the Linux equivalent if you like KDE desktop, which I do.
The error when trying to "get more" theming components in settings has been an on again off again bug for years across lots of distros with the Plasma desktop. I think it is a server timing thing with the KDE Store. Currently, it seems to be working fine. It has been working fine on my Fedora/ Plasma for the last 8 months with no issues.
I have been using Kubuntu for about 3 4 months and i am very satisfied. Before that i used Fedora, but i had many issues and then i figured out that most of those issues were because of Gnome. Switching to KDE was the best decision i made and i also like the stability of Kubuntu. I would still prefer Fedora to Windows tho 😂 anyday
You can run KDE (or other desktops) on Fedora too, not just Gnome. Check out the Fedora Spins, there are a lot of options.
I've been a KDE user as long as I've been using Linux, which is almost as long as KDE has existed. I'm definitely a fan. Only thing I'd like to know is when you're going to try out Slackware. 15.0 was released just this year, finally. Might be a good time to check it out.
I haven't had success installing it on my hardware. I'll keep trying
@@TheLinuxCast Is it because of ELILO? Because there's a trick to bypassing that step and you're supposed to install Grub instead.
@@anon_y_mousse I have some error. Tbh, it's been a while so I don't really remember. Something prevents it from installing.
@@TheLinuxCast Well, if you give it a shot and have any questions, ask away.
Is the spelling error "Finish" still there?
By the Way... latest KDE plasma is also availble on Manjaro now I had to wait 1-2 months after KDE neon had it. Best desktop anvironment for people coming from 30 years of windowas usage :)
Reg pipewire bug - have you raised this to dev team?
Have you tested Arco Linux - Plasma? I have been thinking of testing that as my new daily driver.
Arco is a big mess and way to bloated! Go to EndeavourOS instead if you can't install Vanilla Arch!
You can install bismuth for tilling windows.
Si, yo lo probe en Cajas y no encontre ningun problema con KDE Neon, me gusto. Tampoco lo instalare porque Linux Mint Cinnamon me funciona de 10 para todo lo que necesito y no necesito personalizarlo demasiado lo encuentro hermoso todo.
I can't seem to live without Popshell extention (Tiling) on gnome that is the only thing keeping me away from KDE or xfce.
im using kubuntu 22.10 with plasma 5.26,fast, stable, latest package
Destiny 2 does not work on Linux whatsoever sadly.
Appreciate the review! I’ve been meaning to check out Neon for quite a while now.
blame the developers of Destiny for that... all they have to do is allow anticheat on linux
19:46 its a problem with the kde plasma universal desktop, i mean this is a problem on every distro that uses KDE Plasma
I like KDE Neon because it does not tie you to software. Im able to use alternatives to 'k' software (kmail, kontact, etc) and build the system that I desire. With timeshift on daily saves I am able to be creative and not fear the loss of the system. I have this as my main system and have had literally no issues.... A very good distro and far more satisfying than anything I've used before.
I use kde neon since 2019 i fucking love it you have gaming videos on my channel look how awesome it plays whith games.
Search "focus" in settings and you can setup focus on mouse, or window under mouse....
And consider changing the "Delay focus by" to "0" or accidents will still happen when in a hurry.
Umm.. actually, Gwenview - that you mentioned as "other software" along with VLC, is actually a KDE suite software. I know, it's confusing - we like to say that the K is silent...
KDE Plasma is heaven for compulsive tinkerers.
Kvantum is in discover. I am using neon for a while and never had this issue.
But it can't be installed via apt? That makes no sense unless the package name is something odd.
Just doing an "apt search kvantum" gave me the package name which is qt5-style-kvantum. You do good videos but I am surprised you didn't verify this.
@@pratikbansuri Except I did. And I just ran that command and got not found. So IDK what's different between yours and mine, but it's not on Neon.
Just verified again. I am on fully updated neon based on 22.04. I just ran "sudo apt install qt5-style-kvantum" and it worked for me.
@@pratikbansuri odd.
I love KDE Plasma, but the PIM suite is buggy trash, so not skipping KMail and Korganizer is a good call IMO.
I've been running KDE-Neon as my daily driver for a week now and have largely had a trouble free experience getting everything up and running/configured. The only trouble I have is that I cannot update Wine to 7.0
topgrade fixes the issue with various package managers existing and updating their dependents. Works flawlessly
I love Neon, I really do, but, God, why so many updates? It's pissing me off. Updates, updates, updates, every single day, never stops.
This isn't a Gentoo video
So if KDE Neon is the "purest" form of KDE, is Fedora the "purest" form of Gnome?
Technically Gnome OS would be that.
Technically both, since Fedora always uses the most up to date version of gnome, and doesn’t do anything to change it. From a DE standpoint, Gnome OS and vanilla Fedora are virtually identical.
Just like with a WM, the key to KDE is learning all the keyboard shortcuts. KDE has a few that should be standard on all DEs.
Yes, let's force people to use keyboard shortcuts. Way to bring the community together 🙄
Same old KDE problems that shouldnt happen at all
You have a game you want to play that runs perfectly well under Windows but you refuse to play it because you refuse to run Windows!?
That's fucking sad! I mean, that's really fucking pathetic!
Not wanting to go through the trouble of paying for, installing and updating an entire separate os (not to mention the ads and the privacy issues) just for the sake of playing a game - you consider that pathetic? That is a strange opinion 😮
@@KRIGBERT What's strange is jumping to the conclusion that the only thing anyone could ever use a computer for would be one game.
Because at no point did anyone suggest that strange scenario that you used for some reason.
But I get how some people have to create absurd notions to justify a comment.
It's called reductio-ad-absurdum. Or reducing a point to an absurd level and then commenting on the absurd notion you created.
Mostly it's how children and people with extremely low or damaged intellects argue.
@@MaffeyZilog no, you're trying to accuse me of having made a straw man. Reductio ad absurdum is a perfectly valid form of argumentation, look it up. No big deal, though - I really have more of an issue with your apparent need to belittle the person you're disagreeing with. That is not cool.
@@KRIGBERT I wasn't trying to accuse you of anything.
I pointed out you did use a strawman with your reductio comment (they are both strawman fallacies).
And I don't care if you have an issue with me or my comments.
I care even less what you deem to be "cool".
You've made a wild assumption about me from one comment and have taken an issue.
"My apparent need to belittle the person I'm disagreeing with?"
You have seen one comment and made the assumption I have a need to belittle people?
Claiming it's "apparent" that I have this need?
So please enlighten me, how do you completely and fully understand the mind of another person so thoroughly and without error that their very emotions not only become discernable but become, to you, apparent?
Unless, of course, you're every bit as argumentative and insulting as you claim I am but you justify your comments with a claim that you have a superhuman understanding of the minds of those you are talking to and know they are deserving of your criticism and snarky comments?
Window Management/Window Behavior/Window activation policy : Focus follows mouse. Matt
Yup. Knew that was there as I said in the video