I Used Fedora 35 For A Month - Fedora 35 Long Term Review
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- Опубліковано 27 лип 2024
- I used Fedora 35 for over a month and I have some thoughts.
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Time stamps (only somewhat accurate)
0:00 Intro
0:33 Installation
4:58 Out of the Box Experience
6:43 Pre Installed Software
8:16 Resources & Gnome Thoughts
12:29 Installing Updates & Installing Software
15:22 Software Availability
19:25 Gaming
21:13 Stability
23:58 Community Support
25:40 Conclusion
#review #fedora #thelinuxcast - Наука та технологія
In the installer Fedora automatically selected the disk for you. All you had to do was confirm but you deselected it causing the no disk selected warning message. It could be more clear I guess in the UI (although it’s already very obvious with a large tick mark over the selected disk) but it’s not a bug.
That may be the case, but I don't think I'm the only one who makes that mistake.
@@TheLinuxCast Probably not. It’s not the best UI design as it leads you to think you need to do something when you don’t.
@@TheLinuxCast I made that mistake the first time, too. The blue background is confusing, you think it means "this disk please," but it just means "You touched that one last", whereas the checkmark doesn't hit the eye. Astonishingly, it has been this way for almost ten years now.
Yeah, not a bug, clarity could be better. I regularly make the same mistake installing CentOS despite having done dozens of installs- something about the presentation that confuses the brain. Especially bad when you are prepping multiple disks.
@@gingered It could definitely be better. Fedora/ Red Hat haven’t updated the installer in at least 10 years and it shows. It’s the same for a lot of Distros like Debian and OpenSUSE. The installer never gets a lot of attention.
Whoa the apps opening in random workspace has never happened to me
13:35 - If you select 'Enable Third-Party Repositories' during the post-setup process, all the necessary repositories you could need are available. Flatpak, Free and Non-Free RPM Fusion packages as well.
Only a subset of items in Non-Free RPM Fusion though.
Not really. It is shown in gnome software, but nothing shows up. You have to add flathub and fusion manually, so that flatpaks show up in gnome software
but not flathub, not for me and presumably hem too. It also doesn't seem to work for RPM fusion for me.
@@donkey7921 after adding rpm fusion repos manually, you have to update your app steam metadata by running:
sudo dnf groupupdate core
@@linus. but that button didn't work neither did the enable rpm fusion buttons on the gnome app store.
I keep going back to Fedora after trying other distributions. I just love it.
The experience you were looking for with flatpaks more integrated with GNOME can be had with fedora Silverblue. In fact, you are discouraged from installing RPMs with dnf on the OS itself (although you can do that freely in Toolbox containers).
fedora took a calculated gamble in making PipeWire the default audio system in fedora 35. Their view was that, for most general use cases, it works. As you say, it's under heavy development and Wim Taymans is very responsive to bug reports. I use PipeWire as a JACK replacement with a Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 2nd Gen feeding Ardour and have no problems with it whatever.
If you re-evaluate fedora 36 in 2022 I think your experience will be very different and you should try the Silverblue (GNOME) and Kinoite (KDE) spins of the immutable rpm-ostree and flatpak-based OS.
24:50 - In the Software Center, you can select what package repositories you want to use, and by default, all the ones you selected when running the post-setup process are enabled. Once that is done, the Drivers section is at the bottom of the window, where you can install the Nvidia drivers.
High quality, in-depth review, just what I was looking for. Thank you, I think I'll try Fedora!
Whenever I see reviews like this where there is always something wrong or a weird thing happens I can't help but wonder what the hell am I doing different as I rarely encounter any of those problems. I've been using Fedora for a long time, my last fresh install was F29 and have been upgrading it since and both Fedora and Gnome have been pretty awesome for me, it is one of the very few distros where I don't spend time fixing or tweaking something, sure I'm not the kind that is constantly ricing my setup but still. So I wonder if I am one of the lucky ones or what is it, but for me it simply works.
Me neither. Been on Fedora for like 3 years and have never had to fix anything. I ask myself the same thing every time I see these kind of reviews.
I’ve used Fedora for years too and never had problems. Different people have different hardware, different use case, and different levels of experience which means they can have a different experience. Also if you’re doing a review you sort of have to point out the little things otherwise you wouldn’t have a lot to say.
@@dan79600 Youre right
Same here. Chugging along with no problems. The installer will be confusing for new users. Not friendly.
This guy supposedly runs Arch, yet he did not know how to enable flathub AND spend a couple of week finding it out. To top it all he uses the gnome store to install software instead of cli. Some arch user he is.
very informative thank you for the review
I switched from Arch to Fedora 1 month ago and everything is so easy on Fedora that great.
I still miss Arch because it's very barebone and customizable but Fedora is a great distro for beginner and thos who don't want to spend time installing and configuring their linux environment
You can use Fedora Netinstall or Fedora Everything to start with a barebone Fedora system ;)
This was the only issue I had in Fedora minus not recognizing my touchpad, but that wasn't exclusive to this distro. I figured it out however. I really like Fedora overall and is my favorite distro at this point. Nice, fair review
Very informative video, thank you.
Thanks for this video - a cold beer to you!
I read about the Zram feature where some of the ram is used as swap thing, I think 25% get dedicated for this. Correct me if i'm wrong.
This man filmed it on Christmas. I like the dedication.
One thing you do consistently well, no matter what distro or de/wm you're on, is make things look good.
I like the look of this - how did you manage it?.. it looks like some sort of Chrome theme/dock?
I first tried Fedora, maybe 10 years ago. I can honesty say, of all the distros I've tried over the years, it was a pleasure to install. It might have installed in 5 min, or less, and I was using my phones hotspot. I'm on a gaming laptop, Nvidia drivers can be a bit of a headache on Linux, so it was a relief to have my monitor working out of the box. I'm in the process of trying out of the box gaming, so far I've gotten one game to work. I've also been able to overclock my cpu, it's blowing my mind, at the level Fedora's, communicating with my hardware, and it really feels like of OS. I had to disable Wayland, in favor of X11 though. If I were new to Linux, I don't think I'd be using Fedora. I couldn't imagine coming from Windows, over to Fedora.
If you were not pressed for time (because of the recording in operation), you, as Dan mentioned, would have seen that Fedora had selected the disk for you.
On the other hand, (I have 6 disks, with space on 5), the Fedora installer would not check any of them, and await for me to select the drive(s).
The way I do my Fedora installation, is just provide a unformatted (free space) area of 35gigs. I do not concern myself with p reallocating any partitions. anaconda manages it very well.
You would choose one of the latter two options if you want to scatter fedora partitions across several drives, or if you provided a drive where all partitions were pre-formatted with a file system.
I say that the problem is not Fedora, but your being accustomed to other distributions. As I mentioned, JUST PROVIDE ONE UNFORMATTED AREA on the drive.
Sorry, the problem is not anaconda, which is fantastic. I believe the problem is definitely not anaconda. (I repeat, if not anaconda, then your approach is too geared to step-by-step calamari.
If you really want step by step, use the second option.
From the Fedora forum (Fedoraforum.org) you would have learned about rpmfusion.org, where unlicensed software exists.
If you were a command line user, you could explore
dnf list / dnf update / dnf install and then you could look at dnf group list / dnf groujp install, dnf remove dnf group remove.
Did you also explore the Fedora Everything iso. With Fedora you can do a group install "KDE*" "Deepin"" , I3 etc
I had the same issue with flathub but found UA-cam video someone setting up fresh install of Fedora and found that there is a page in fedora wiki that gives step by step to setup flathub. Sorry to hear issues you went through.
Because there was only one drive it was already automatically selected "check mark", when you selected it you actually "unchecked" it.
When you went in the second time and re-selected it you "re-checked" it. It works perfectly fine.
So should I run Fedora 35 or Debian Bullseye on my hardware?
The only thing that keeps me away from fedora is that I don’t know any good solutions to nvidia optimus on it
Install. I saw you unselect a disk ;) Yes. It's a bit unclear, but I breezed through this pretty quick when I last installed so I don't really remember all the details.
Dude, if installing on hardware, the drive will automatically have a "check mark" on it. If you click the drive with a check mark, you are unselecting it. It must have a check mark.
I've never faced any problem while installing fedora 35 or back when i first time installed fedora 28, here it must be a hardware issue, because if it is bug then why i didn't see any problem like that on my computer?
I use Cinnamon on Mint. And I use it on Fedora as well. The difference is that, when I right-click on an app in the menu in order to uninstall it, the command 'Uninstall' is missing. Not a problem with Mint. Troubleshooting didn't help. The audio bug mentioned in this video means I will continue to use Mint as my primary OS.
Plase Can You shere theme configuration and extensions ?
Maybe someone else knows what theme and shell theme are?
when installing Fedora 35, i had to click the disk twice for it to be chosen (with that tick sign) and somehow i had to install it a second time since the first time seemed to have installed in another partition as opposed to my choices....
Your installer comments are very relevant. Installing alongside windoz on a separate drive I find difficult enough anyway for a linux newbie. Could I suggest to you making a video on dual booting linux and windows.
Is it hard? Going to do the same probably today, hope it goes well
@@alok.01 It's really simple if you do it on two seperate drives. I just setup a dual boot yesterday.
@@TotallyURGrandpa I did it, and truth be told it was easy. Actually felt easier than Ubuntu installation (Thought I haven't done the Ubuntu installation personally)
@@alok.01 Yep it's super simple. Also, I recommend using rEFInd boot manager since GRUB can't be customized on Fedora.
The hard disk selection works everytime. Your problem was that on your first selection you "unselected" the disk, which you can see by seeing the check mark disappearing. It's not intuitive at all but that's how it works...
I second your pipewire problems. I ended up partially migrating to JACK and it mostly solved my issues though I always have to do some configuration after every restart (as in bridging pipewire into JACK and to rewire the audio outputs & sources via QjackCtl but it is only something that takes a minute to do).
Fedora's pipewire integration is absolutely horrible from my experience and has tons of bugs and when piping pipewire stuff into JACK everything magically solves itself.
after installing my sound has a problem, someone has a sound problem?
There is no accounting for taste. The installer is as you described and Gnome desktop has never been part of my workflow, though for those into it, fair enough.
It is possilbe to install Fedora with a seperate Home-Partition?
Not sure, but I'd think it was possible. You'd just need to manually partition in the partition manager section of the installer.
I saw that the disk was already selected. You have clicked on it and cleared the selection
The Fedora install image does not detect my NVME drive on my laptop and nobody in their discord or forum will reply as to why. All I've found from Googling is to disable RAID in the bios but that's not even an option in my BIOS and every other distro reads my NVME drive just fine. I'd love to try it out but oh well I guess.
Yeah, I have no clue what is going on there. If you're really dedicated you could try r/linuxquestions on Reddit and see if they can help
I installed Fedora 35 on a Surface Pro 7. I was shocked at how well everything worked out of the box. You need another few commands to allow Touch Screen and Secure boot, but everything else works. (no cameras support yet though)
I have no idea why anyone would use/prefer Ubuntu.
The magic word is Gnome 35 raw. I have been using it for the first time now almost one month. Never had a problem installing it and straight out of the box it is very stable. However, setting it up with apps, themes and icons is no picnic. Not for those just starting out with Linux that is for sure. Now set up with my fav themes and icons etc. it is now easy to use and again very solid and stable. I do not think Fedora is for any Linux beginner this would without question turn them off from using Linux forever.
The fedora installation process wasn't the only one to suck. The last time I used the new archinstall on arch linux it just didn't want to apply my partitions and it litterely failed.
So I installed arch linux the manual way.
I have to agree about the installer being very confusing. I find Linux Mint, Ubuntu, AV and Debian less confusing and straight forward. I have installed Fedora since version 23 up to 35 and always find that installation partition part confusing and a high potential for accidentally deleting an important partition that could lead to serious problems. To avoid such I use a procedure of deleting a partition for installation using g-parted or f-disks leaving only one blank disk area for partitioning, it is much easier to locate and hack if necessary until that partition is properly selected. Especially with my personal situation of having up to 4 different operating systems on a computer desktop yet Fedora is very reliable on setting up a chain boot loader. To help me with Fedora I bought a book several years ago entitled "Linux Bible" by Christopher Negus, this guide and resource is very helpful.
With repositories in past years I purchased through OS Discs (web site recently shut down out of business) complete repositories on DVD discs and installed them directly into my home directory allowing the ability to install anything off-line through a command line shell. This ability is no longer available anywhere I can find on-line, something that used to allow a user of Fedora operating systems to have full repository use without an internet connection.
You should click multitasking in gnome settings sometime matt
Totally agree with you, Fedora has a confusing installer, does not give you a choice to install in a pc with a select partition, it wipes out and uses the whole disk!
Hey you !
The tick mark means selected, ok ?
Not the blue selection 🙂
Yes, people have told me. Doesn't make sense that it's already selected, yet you have to go into that screen, but I know it now, at least.
Fedora is fine but their installer disk selection system is awful
I wanted to dual boot fedora,did it 3x, and hat to look up a tutorial on how to do it because it seems so complicated. at the end i was so nervous because i didn't know is it actually going to do it properly or just erase everything!
the installer is so baad and they need to fix it! Everything else? was perfect, love the OS!
Yeah. I saw a picture of the installer they had in the early 00s and it looks so nice compared to what they have now.
Yeah, Anaconda isn't the most intuitive installer. You have to go in, add your Disk or Disks, then click Done up where you would never expect it.
For me pressing the super button is confusing in fedora. We get like workspaces with few apps??? I think it would be better if you had like a normal launcher and workspace switch as a separate keybind.
@@shaunpatrick8345 oh thanks for the info!
@@gl0sek quickly pressing super twice takes you directly to app grid
@@shriteendhamasker9499 I still think that super view in fedora is bad but maybe with those keybinds it at least be usable. Thanks
How about ultramarine ? I see very less people talking about it
I've installed Fedora many times. I think the problem with the "installer" is the piece in the chair, not the software.
Oh yes, it’s perfect software. No flaws.
wherever your mouse is, that's where the program opens in Gnome
I do like that top bar extension - what is it?
It's just a gnome shell theme. I've already wiped my Fedora partition so I can't tell you what it is.
It's the Orchis gnome shell them
Yes fedora install partition manager = bad.
however the big check mark is what tells you its selected its super easy if you are installing as the only OS on the hardware.
I think calling it "bad" is unfair. It is _different_ but that isn't really a bad thing. Bad would be if it blew away your partitions but as it checks with you at every step and even presents a very detailed list of every operation it will do before it touches your drive I don't consider it bad. Just different to what people are used to. Personally I have no real issues with it. I can configure my btrfs subvolumes preinstall and encryption all very easily and it has never failed me.
though the installation process is kind off bad. Fedora is just the best distro, gnome is great, the system does not beak after updates, it has a decent number of packages compared to debian based distros
My guy sounds and looks like Lester from GTA V
You did this video on Christmas day???!!! $$$64???? why would a relative new-bee choose F35 over pop os cosmic???? Love to see that compare!!
Rambly IS a format. And a good one at that. Ask Chris Were.
I've honestly never had that issue with apps opening in the wrong workspace
Apparently it has to do with where I had my mouse. Still seems like odd behavior, but it definitely didn't happen a lot.
@@TheLinuxCast oh that's interesting. I am on laptop so I'm basically doing everything with the keyboard. I guess the cursor was just never moved onto another workspace for me
OpenSuse has a pretty vanilla Gnome experience.
25:50 over arching ;)
19:25 well Neovim is 0.6 in Fedora, i am running 0.7 in Arch... :P
it is git clone build yes i know ... just joking
To make things more complicated. Red hat announced that they will be replacing the default audio driver method with SOP .
Sound open firmware , which
on newer machines will need a matching firmware kernel besides the driverspace itself.
Sounds like you were experiencing something similar , and what's also confusing is that Ubuntu has
not chosen to include SOP
Audio support out the box in their kernels . as some others
also haven't either.
It's sad because I love Linux mint but without sound open firmware support my new
Chromebook won't have audio.
At least Fedora has SOP support built in .
Come on canonical , your slipping .
What interface change at 10:34
I went from the stock fedora in a vm to my setup that I had been using for the whole month. Still Gnome, just with some tweaks.
@@TheLinuxCast Can You shere this theme configuration/ gnome configuration ?
1:35 I passionatly aggree, I don't understand why not all linux distros use that arch linux installer, it's the best period.
The message is lost when the presenter is Max Headroom with ADD.
What version are you? Would you like to play a game of chess?
Anaconda is horrible, I have exactly the same issues installing... it has been like this for years. You always have to select the drive twice. The ubuntu installer is so much better and feels more professional
use pulse audio...
-5 dkp for not installing emacs.
Also you could asked me about Fedora ....
get an even fedora. odd ones are not all that clean yet.
The disk was already selected for you. The check mark means that its selected. *facepalm*
Yes, I've been told several times now. Not that it makes any difference. The UI for that is still confusing AF. And I'm not the only one who thinks so.
You could also install a Fedora Spin, so you don't have to use Gnome
I've wanted to look at the i3 spin for a while. So that might happen some day
I would argue gnome on Arch is even more pure since you can pick and choose which gnome applications you want. If you only install gnome-sessions you won't have gnome settings or Wayland for example. There are also alternative repos for the latest gnome stuff even the development builds.
No.
That's the lightest gnome experience, not the purest
If you *really* want you can do a minimal Fedora install using the Everything (i.e. net-install) Fedora ISO then just installed gnome-shell, it is even more minimal Gnome than what you get with Arch surprisingly. If you're on a low RAM system this is a pretty viable option. I have an old Dell laptop from 2011 with 4GB RAM and a minimal Fedora install with Gnome uses 536MB RAM which is very respectable for a full DE running Wayland, networking, etc. Also zRAM is great on minimal memory systems 👍
You can do the same thing on a bunch of Linux distro. Fedora, Ubuntu etc. Nothing special about Arch.
Easily the worst, most unintuitive installer in any distro. Even an Ncurses based installer would be more straightforward.
From a new linux user who tried Fedora first. The software experience was a nightmare. I couldn't get a bunch of aps wanted and didn't know about repositories and flatpaks/snaps.
One of the selling points of linux is not having to randomly download exes but right now I am randomly creating install scripts and using the terminal to install stuff just to get my stuff working.
I definitely use some obscure software but until 99% of apps can be installed easily I don't see linux as my main OS.
Big deal I been using it since 2007
Fedora is an experimental development system for Red Hat. Arch is just as up-to-date, but fedora includes things as default before even Arch like pipewire. Fedora was the first to use btrfs by default even when it was unstable. It was important part of what made it get stable but if you used Fedora you had to deal with it for awhile. If you want to try new experimental stuff and be part of the process to make those new things more stable then Fedora is cool, but you have to be willing to accept that risk/responsibility.
openSUSE used btrfs first as default file system.
Everytime i used fedora, after a few days when obviously ditching it, i ask myself:- why does fedora exists? To test vanilla gnome maybe, otherwise does not offer anything special, most of the stuff do not work most of the time
gnome has some weird stuff like why it's filling up the entire screen ;)
The original Gnome 3 tyrants tried to give anaconda a Gnome 3 style facelift and made it fugly.
DNF will be much faster if you make a couple tweaks to your dnf.conf file. If you have a high-speed Internet connection:
sudo nano /etc/dnf/dnf.conf
PASTE IN THESE ENTRIES AT THE BOTTOM:
fastestmirror=True
max_parallel_downloads=20
defaultyes=True
If you go to Fedora Docs and click on Quick Docs, you will find the directions for Enabling the RPM Fusion repositories:
docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/quick-docs/setup_rpmfusion/
I'd give that a try if I still had Fedora installed. I've moved on to MX for my next Long Term Review.
Ilike gnome utilities under kde. get kde spin or groupinstall kde plasma workspaces