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  • @MiloLinesGolf
    @MiloLinesGolf  2 місяці тому

    Who has your favorite golf swing of all time?
    🔑🌪 *Milo's 5 KEYS to a Rotational Golf Swing: milolinesgolf.com/5-keys-to-unlocking-a-rotational-golf-swing/

  • @dogloverjb6873
    @dogloverjb6873 Рік тому +4

    I use the classic golf swing now ... I have no injuries and I outdrive most men on the course at age 65 yrs. I struggled with the modern golf swing technique for 30yrs, had alot of golf-related injuries and then found someone who taught the "manuel de la torre" method. Changed my game forever and for the best.

  • @bobbyhunt100
    @bobbyhunt100 11 місяців тому +2

    Thanks so much Milo for the compilation of golf swings. After almost 50 years as a golf professional there is rarely a day goes by when I don't learn something about the various perspectives of viewing the golf swing, and in particular your subjective, though evidence based analysis of various successful actions. I thoroughly enjoy your work. Please keep it up! G'day from Australia.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  11 місяців тому

      Thanks so much for the kind words and watching!

  • @bricebeaulac
    @bricebeaulac 3 роки тому +6

    Science has proved the old swing to be more efficient, great video!

  • @mbotefuh
    @mbotefuh 4 роки тому +9

    This is one of the best swing videos, ever. Thank you!

  • @TheFrenchPug
    @TheFrenchPug 5 років тому +2

    Loved it! I didn't have anything that resembled those swings but now had two lower back fusions. I cannot reverse C now if I wanted to so have to use the more rotational swing standing tall at the end. When I get it right, there is no pressure anywhere on my back or in my arms or wrists.

  • @1cleandude
    @1cleandude 4 роки тому +1

    Great video thanks again for your time and expertise!

  • @benjaminsarmiento8150
    @benjaminsarmiento8150 4 роки тому

    One of the best videos I’ve seen. Very informative .

  • @steveperry1344
    @steveperry1344 5 років тому +1

    great study of the swing thru the years, thnx

  • @sunickchang
    @sunickchang 4 роки тому

    Best golf content ever~ Great effort to gather videos

  • @jeremiahhounshell6004
    @jeremiahhounshell6004 5 років тому +2

    Great video! Very well done

  • @lizardears4861
    @lizardears4861 5 років тому +3

    What a great historical analysis of the golf swing! Rotational swing seems to be the way to go!👍

    • @MarkSmith-lz5rk
      @MarkSmith-lz5rk 4 роки тому

      It's also way easier man...it feels like a half swing to someone coming from a classic swing...

  • @thomasdavico3107
    @thomasdavico3107 5 років тому +3

    Very well put-together video Milo.
    My four favourite swings, in no particular order. Peter Thompson (very inderatted), a young Nicklaus, Hogan, and Snead.
    It's great how we can now clearly see the merits of the 'old-school' golf swings.

    • @bjohnson515
      @bjohnson515 2 роки тому

      Big thumbs up on Peter Thompson.

  • @DeepakSharmaChd001
    @DeepakSharmaChd001 5 років тому +3

    Nice compilation

  • @damonkatos4271
    @damonkatos4271 2 роки тому

    Awesome!!!! Truly a great history of swings

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому

      Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching Damon!

  • @alanmartins6349
    @alanmartins6349 5 років тому +2

    Great video

  • @billenright2788
    @billenright2788 4 роки тому

    Tooo cool. Great comparisons.

  • @maxwired2235
    @maxwired2235 2 роки тому

    Great analysis, and your site rocks!

  • @stevefowler2112
    @stevefowler2112 3 роки тому

    Super interesting...super super interesting. I used to be a 4 handicap in the 90's and quit playing to due, well, life, but I would like to start back now and as I have almost no swing right now, as I start to rebuild it I am going to keep the nuances you point out in mind. I think when I was playing my best golf I was probably always starting with the longest lowest takeaway I could have but my natural swing was swinging around my body so I may have had a hybrid swing. When I really got good and started shooting around par I had made an effort to have a more elevated take away along with a weaker grip to help me hit a higher straighter/baby fade ball. Anyway thanx for this video.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  3 роки тому +1

      Thanks for watching Steve! Best of luck to you in your journey, here to help if you need anything!

  • @RogerFoxwellHypnotherapy
    @RogerFoxwellHypnotherapy 3 роки тому +1

    Fascinating thanks

  • @davidjames3164
    @davidjames3164 2 роки тому

    Really enjoyed

  • @herbgoldstein5
    @herbgoldstein5 2 роки тому

    Great compilation

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому

      One of my favorite videos I’ve put together! Thanks for watching.

  • @ILIAD9
    @ILIAD9 2 роки тому

    That was fantastic! I like the Hogan swing. I tend to lift my lead shoulder that defeats the plane a bit but when I get it right I play great.

  • @benjaminsarmiento8150
    @benjaminsarmiento8150 2 роки тому

    I totally agree with you!

  • @nelsonsantiago1093
    @nelsonsantiago1093 11 місяців тому

    Good stuff buddy!

  • @jonathanmercer7109
    @jonathanmercer7109 3 місяці тому

    George Duncan (1920 Open champion) had a great swing, too.

  • @jardinesydney9447
    @jardinesydney9447 3 роки тому

    Great to see these swings from long ago,and i,ll wager they didn,t suffer with any injuries like they do today.S/j.

  • @wadepatton2433
    @wadepatton2433 Рік тому +1

    I grew up watching Arnie and Jack and remember studying some of Jack's technique, but then I bought Hogan's 5 Fundamentals book and that was all I needed thereafter. I'm just now back after a 30-year layoff from golf. I'm going back to Hogan, and it's working great for me. Now I'll be better at judging my own swing vids. thanks

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому +1

      Good to hear Wade, welcome back! Hogan's book has some good thoughts, but also some I don't prescribe to. I've also been told that book was not fully written by him, plus parts of the book don't align with what he actually did in his swing.

    • @wadepatton2433
      @wadepatton2433 Рік тому

      @@MiloLinesGolf Sure, folks say lots of stuff and I cannot explain what all happens in my own swing. Works for me. I thought there was "too much tips" and not enough fundamentals BITD. Hogan's book was great for me then and still works for me now. We're all somewhat different. Once I get my "groove" back going, then I'll see a fitter/coach for tweaking.

    • @wadepatton2433
      @wadepatton2433 Рік тому

      @@MiloLinesGolf Well it all BLEW UP about 3 weeks ago and now I'm a Manuel de la Torre student. Now this really works and is much easier. Having more fun already.

  • @thomasfraser9072
    @thomasfraser9072 5 років тому +1

    Nice compilation: All great swingers and player of golf for sure. Many seem to hold Mike Austin's7 position( even those who came before Mike ) on their downswing to a certain degree specific to their swing motion . Wouldn't you agree? They may or may not have used their hands like Mike Austin taught his students to do. But either way works.

  • @steveperry1344
    @steveperry1344 4 роки тому

    great video for us golf nuts, thnx so much.

  • @ethanaderemi
    @ethanaderemi 2 роки тому +1

    Great video. I feel that as golf continues to attract more top-level athletes, we will continue to see more dynamic foot action, which in turn will continue to open up new possibilities for the rest of the body mechanics of the swing. The nearly frozen left foot that dominated for so long will become only one option of many.

  • @brianryden6045
    @brianryden6045 4 роки тому

    Very informative. Also probably unintentional, but a good look at the history of men’s pant styles.....

  • @richyclubsport5155
    @richyclubsport5155 2 роки тому +2

    How did i miss this compilation, got to say Bobby Jones win rate per tournament was remarkable, retired at 28 what a swing and like you Milo i think Sam Snead swing is beautiful

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому +1

      Looking into the past is such a treat!

    • @ag358
      @ag358 7 місяців тому +1

      Yes, Bobby jones win rate was 46% 13 majors and retired at the ripe old age of 28. Also he went months between majors without touching a club.

  • @emncaity
    @emncaity 4 роки тому

    Macdonald Smith's swing has always just amazed me. You probably know Alex Morrison was crazy about it too. From the first move of the downswing onward, it was just gold. Imagine that guy with steel shafts.

  • @leifborjesson4230
    @leifborjesson4230 3 місяці тому

    Greate video. Missed Mike Austin and your comments on him.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  3 місяці тому

      He was powerful but wasn’t a winner on tour.

  • @guitar1950
    @guitar1950 4 роки тому +1

    How about an analysis of Knudsen and Moe Norman? Norman in his prime would be great to watch and hear you comment on his unusual swing.

  • @kevinshoemaker5466
    @kevinshoemaker5466 Рік тому +1

    Great compilation. Have you analyzed the Mike Austin swing? Just curious, because I find a combination of what you teach and his ideas work better for my aging body and given my specific issues.Thx for posting this once again. Love your insights! (Two of my PT's are TPI certified).

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому +1

      I do but chose to use players that won majors for this video

  • @norrispg4212
    @norrispg4212 2 роки тому +1

    If you think Tiger was rotational during the Butch years you should've seen him before he began working with him. He had far more knee and hip rotation. In fact, the first thing Butch did was greatly restrict his knees and hips and absolutely eliminate any head movement away from his address position. Tiger recognized the error in this (and probably the back problems it created) and returned to a backswing like he had as a 16 year old (but not the forward swing of his youth). Mechanically, his swing in '18 was the most rotational of his career though rotational to that degree to compensate for the fusions.

  • @jeffy10028
    @jeffy10028 4 роки тому

    Very nice compilation. Just a couple nits. Mac Smith was born in 1890, so he'd be ten years old at "about the turn" of the century. Also, hickory could be made as stiff as steel longitudinally, but it twisted three time as much, so smooth, consistent rhythm and tempo was critical. Hogan's lateral shift was necessitated because of how far he setup his hips away from the target.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  4 роки тому

      jeffy10028 thanks for watching. I love the videos on your channel! So many great swings and your taste in music is cool too.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  4 роки тому

      Mike Austin Fan we’re starting to see top teachers understanding their mistakes and teaching more classic swing mechanics like we saw pre 1970 which will be good for the health of players going forward!

  • @emncaity
    @emncaity 4 роки тому +4

    The additional problem with Woods and some of the other "down-move" players (unbelievable how teachers actually _advocate_ this now, as if it could do anything but force compensations and hurt consistency) is that if they're sliding laterally in addition to that down-move, they've got an even bigger problem with the shrunken space for arms and club.
    I wonder sometimes how we got so far away from the basic Jacobs theory of how there's a certain amount of rotation, naturally, given that we're trying to create force while standing in one spot; a certain amount of coil without an undue amount of tension; and the swinging elements (arms-hands-club) that have to be coordinated with those aspects of the motion. It's just not that hard to understand that if somebody is going to use an arm to throw a ball, and that person has any athleticism at all, the intent to use the arm and hand in that way are going to entail a certain amount of motion from the body, even a shift and a posting up on the lead leg while the rotation makes a shortish controlled motion around that post.

  • @scottwarner1017
    @scottwarner1017 Рік тому

    The old timers knew a thing or 2 about swinging a golf club.
    The reverse C finish is torture on the low back. I charged my swing to lose the C & my back feels better & still hits as far.
    I enjoyed your video.

  • @LJ-ig5sl
    @LJ-ig5sl 5 років тому

    Milo. I've become a very big fan of your teaching philosophy. Watching your videos is all fact and no fiction. Can you maybe do a video to elaborate on weight pressure in the feet, and how that impacts a rotational swing. I hear many teachers say you want to get weight into your lead leg soon as possible. To me that throws the club over the top. Would you not rather build more pressure into your right side/foot at or near top of the swing. That to me seems to create knee separation like Sam Snead, and also let's you get into your lead leg in a more natural timing. Your thoughts on this topic would be very welcome for myself and I'm sure for many others. I'm also about to hit the subscribe button. Regards!

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  5 років тому

      L J I will definitely do a video on this topic in the near future

  • @jack-hq7gr
    @jack-hq7gr 5 років тому +2

    Interesting video clips. You note how Nicklaus changed his swing in the 70's and 80's and became more verticle with arms and had to make space with body and pull out ofposture angles. I bet that is the cause for many of us over 50 who grew up in this era and were lost with the arms and hands swings that were seldom connected to torso movements. How do you practice keeping left hip inside of left leg area?

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  5 років тому

      jack check out my video on how to turn the hips. If it doesn’t answer your questions shoot me an email.

    • @emncaity
      @emncaity 4 роки тому +3

      It would certainly be news to Jack that he had anything like an "arm and hand swing not connected to torso movements," or that until his problems in the late '70s he was "pulling out of posture angles." It's true that his changes in '79-'80 involved standing taller and swinging a little flatter in better harmony with his turn, but he always stressed the connection between the coiling of upper body over lower body, releasing from the ground up, etc. For that matter, the people always talked about as the hands-and-arms guys (Toski, Flick, etc.) never said the swinging of the hands and arms should be "disconnected" from torso movements, but that the it was better to think of the rest of the body as supporting and complementing the swinging elements -- which certainly means connection and coordination, per Jacobs and others -- rather than trying to use the torso and shoulders to push and shove the club around.
      I don't think _any_ great teacher has ever advocated anything like a lack of sync or coordination between swinging elements (arms-hands-club) and what the rest of the body is doing. And unless they're going to deny what is clearly visible in film of every great swing, even the "body" teachers are going to tell you that the arms swing independently from the shoulder sockets, and the club from the hands/wrists, to some degree in every good swing. No way to develop speed otherwise. It's a total coordinated motion. Whether any individual player perceives his best results and best feeling as coming more with a "body-oriented" or more "hands-and-arms oriented" action is going to depend on what his inclinations are in the first place, what his training has been, the ideas he's been carrying around, etc.
      I do think it's worth noting that when so many tour players (not all, but many) seem so intent on working on the "big muscles," we're talking about a class of player that is already using the swinging elements well enough to be playing at the highest level of the game, slinging and releasing the hell out of the club, or they wouldn't be there in the first place. You take a guy who's never felt that kind of swinging motion, who's already working the body to death and getting no speed out of it, and make him swing _more_ with the "big muscles," and it's just going to be a disaster.

    • @TheNYgolfer
      @TheNYgolfer 3 роки тому +1

      @@emncaity Study The Golfing Machine and hitting vs swinging. Great players have used either method and the principles of swinging differ from those of hitting as day differs from night.
      One method pulls the shaft using a kinematic sequence with passive arms and hands and the other method pushes the shaft using brute muscular power aka the axe handle technique.
      Then there is the "switter", who combines the two by initially pulling the shaft then transitioning to a pushing action somewhere during the second half of the downswing.
      That's what Jack did.
      Jack advocated a full wind up during the backswing using a full shoulder turn, then advocated unwinding from the ground up ( kinematic sequence) BUT, at some point during the downswing he went from pulling to pushing as is evident by his statement in "Golf My Way"
      QUOTE. As soon as I shift my weight to my left side I begin to release the club with my arms and hands. Unquote.
      Mike Austin called it "step and throw"
      If you haven't heard of Mike look him up. What he is famous for will boggle your mind.
      Many ways to skin a cat in golf but there is no best way or only way.

  • @chriskrikorian8057
    @chriskrikorian8057 8 місяців тому

    Great video. Milo ... are you saying that the Arm driven/reverse C swings are caused by the lead hip going past the lead foot?

  • @lionsinofprideescanor8709
    @lionsinofprideescanor8709 Рік тому

    Whenever i do my back swing, my left heel always lift up and that's what i felt my body do when swinging naturally but some of my friends said that swing was ugly wrong and they said the left heel should never been lifted to start the back swing.. I got so confused and i can never do em so called modern golf swing where both feet planted on the ground, the left heel been quiet during back swing and it hurts my golf game.. After watching so many of these old school golf swing i realized that different people have different body, flexibility and thus different golf swing that's natural to them.. I just apply my own natural swing combine with the basic of golf swing and i can hit the ball much more consistent, i can compressed the ball at impact and also gain more distance because i can generate much more swing speed..
    Now my friends kinda confused themselves as to why i play much better than them even though my golf swing ain't nothing like em modern style..

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому

      Of the top 20 players of all time 19 lifted the lead heal

  • @trebor5760
    @trebor5760 2 роки тому

    This is interesting as as someone who is 194cm I was fit with 2 degree upright shafts. Can I actually swing the club 90 degrees to my body and hit the ball with this kind of fitting or does modern day fitting actually hinder a good half swing. Thanks

  • @Saintash1964
    @Saintash1964 2 роки тому

    Notice that the segment pre 1970, most of the players forward swing was other the top of the backswing, only slightly but a definite motion over the plain.

  • @AaronShaHome
    @AaronShaHome 3 роки тому +1

    so should we arm drive to start backswing?

  • @quantumpotential7639
    @quantumpotential7639 2 роки тому

    I put a gps guidance system in my ball now they go into the cup automatically. All I have to do is hit it in the general direction and the technology takes over from there. I haven't lost a match in over ten years. Thanks

  • @fourftr
    @fourftr 2 роки тому

    milo great video wish you would of included mike Austin and mike Dunaway's love to see your comments on their swings

  • @bobypestano
    @bobypestano 3 роки тому +1

    So perfectly presented....sensational ....Thanks so much....Certainly made my day,week and even months...A golf video unlike any other...

  • @blackie75
    @blackie75 Рік тому

    Jimmy *Demaret. Great vid :🎈🎈

  • @clarinetjo
    @clarinetjo 4 роки тому

    My swing is very vertical and rely a lot on rythm. I tried the more flat, rotational, body driven swing more closer to hogan in order to bé more consistant. It was a complete disaster. After three months i was unable to hit anything but a shank or a fat shot. I lost all power and my shoulders, and my back were hurting more and more. My rythm was gone. I decided to revert back to my previous swing, and i'm slowly gaining back my ability to play golf. You're video is very interesting, but i'm a bit careful about anything involving a flatter swing, because it can be dangerous for some people.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  4 роки тому +1

      An open music curator these ideas don’t have much to do with flat or vertical more about powering the swing with pivot or arms pulling. There are flat arm swingers like Ricky Fowler and vertical body swings like Dustin Johnson and Bubba Watson.

  • @emncaity
    @emncaity 4 роки тому +3

    Have to admit, saying "Cameron Champ's swing reminds me a lot of Sam Snead's" comes off way better than "Snead is like a Cameron Champ of the past." ;-)

  • @michaelwelch757
    @michaelwelch757 2 роки тому

    Great video! What do u mean drive the swing with the arms?

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому

      Pull down, throw from the top, drive arms, etc. I prefer to see one sling them.

  • @jayschwarz4365
    @jayschwarz4365 5 років тому

    It appears that the shoulder plane on the downswing in these great players is quite a bit steeper than on the backswing. What causes this? Is there something we need to work on to get the optimal shoulder position going through the ball? Thanks.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  5 років тому +2

      Jay Schwarz there are a fewthings that cause this. 1. Lowering in transition. 2. Pelvis getting deeper. 3. Spine tilt away from target

  • @bobt5778
    @bobt5778 2 роки тому

    7:44 Hips getting out of way because it was more of an arm swing. Hmmm, that era was about leg drive. The hips didn't just turn anymore, they were also thrusting up off the ground. Nicklaus himself said he was weak in the arms and depended on his strong legs for power.

  • @johnnyparker9928
    @johnnyparker9928 Рік тому

    Nice video's. I was expecting to see my favorite Travino and George Knudsen

  • @BirdmanDeuce26
    @BirdmanDeuce26 2 роки тому

    Millennial golfer here. If the reverse-C destroyed people's backs in the '70s and '80s, the "X-factor" destroyed ours. It was all over golf magazines for a while that your shoulder turn HAD to be massively wider than your hip turn, and for *ages* people were being taught to restrict their hip turn while maximizing their shoulder turn "for power", primarily by keeping your lead/left foot down and turning "against" your hips in the backswing, as opposed to around your feet/natural centre.
    With such a massive de-sync between the shoulders and the hips, your lower body would inevitably fire through the downswing with a lot of force, and if your timing wasn't just right, you'd get your club stuck behind you (sound familiar?).
    I see shades of this in Jason Day's swing presented here. Such a compacted motion may have been playable back when he was younger and more flexible, but as he aged, this motion gets harder and harder to time on a consistent basis.

    • @jmf54
      @jmf54 Місяць тому

      Agreed! No doubt about it!

  • @slewofdamascus
    @slewofdamascus 4 роки тому

    Justin Rose's swing looks perfect, to me. That's the one I'd like to copy. It just looks very simple and uncomplicated. I think I see him doing some stacking and tilting there, correct? Like Milo's, correct? Basically, the weight shift is minimized with a lot of weight kept on the lead side, correct? If you paired Tiger's mind with Rose's swing you'd have the greatest golfer of all time imo. I've never seen a player who lacks the killer instinct more than Rose, I say that with affection. I've long rooted for him. Losing the Master's to Sergio (when Rose's lifetime back nine scoring at Augusta was well under par while Sergio's was above par) was like saying "I just don't care about winning, at all." Rose is not a closer. But if you can swing like that I guess it doesn't really matter - his swing will go down in history as one of the best ever.

  • @slewofdamascus
    @slewofdamascus 4 роки тому

    Milo you should consult a psychological coach, which is something a lot of player's do. When I read the Greatest Game Ever Played about Ouimet's 1913 US Open win, I was marveled by how much he struggled with his focus. Golf is unlike all other sports because nothing is happening between shots. It's 70 swings or thereabouts in 5 hours. On the range we do 70 in 35 minutes. The mental requirements (for exceptional play) are quite extra-ordinary.

  • @trezmala
    @trezmala Рік тому

    Great video… sad to see no mention of Count Yogi. Or Mike Austin.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому

      Many stories have been told about both men however both were known more as teachers and for the legends told about them and neither won any PGA tour events or Majors.

  • @60degreelobwedge82
    @60degreelobwedge82 Рік тому

    Another thing that has changed that this video doesn't show is how long they addressed the ball. If you see video of the whole swing, so many of the old guys never stopped moving their feet until they started back with the club. People obsess over their address positions so much more now.

  • @jefferyr.6745
    @jefferyr.6745 2 роки тому

    Where did you get all of this footage??

  • @TheSeer101
    @TheSeer101 Рік тому

    How come when I put these swings in my golf analysis app their hips move forward on the downswing significantly from where they started. I am confused. Are you saying there is no lateral move in the golf swing? When I drew a line down Bobby Jone's hip at its furthest laterally shift point in the down swing it is several inches outside his left foot. I found the same thing with Ben Hogan. Sorry I maybe misunderstanding what you are saying. Thank you in advance

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому

      When you look at lateral motion you need to know where the hip socket is. If the lead hip socket slides forward of the lead ankle the players will have to much pelvic extension and bending will be more in the lumbar spine than ideal. I have analysis of many of the greats on my website showing what they do.

    • @TheSeer101
      @TheSeer101 Рік тому

      @@MiloLinesGolf Ok I will draw lines paying attention to this. I am actually a doctor so this is right up my ally. Interesting place to look. Thank you

  • @jukkakymalainen
    @jukkakymalainen 5 років тому

    Very good and interesting video. Oh boy there are many ways to swing a golf club. Interesting that Jack made that swing change. It makes sense that this reverse C position is not so good position to rotate. I think there is still much more that we cant see from video. If you use " deep lag" your body almost stop and hands are cross released and only club momentum pulls you up and you are more relaxed. You are using much more club weight and vertical dropping power. However if you use that Jacks old style you are using much more your body rotation to sling a golf club. Then you have to use body muscles more and rotate your body all the way trough to get that sling effect. Club is swinging much more shallow and around you. Jack made them both work very well. Why do you promote this more athletic rotational swing if they both can work very well?

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  5 років тому +1

      Jukka Kymäläinen you are right there are many ways to swing a club. I teach athletic motion first not golf swing. I generally work with the student on what they can do with the greatest success. If the students body has normal mobility then the more athletic rotational swing will generate more speed and control with less probability of injuries. The more hands and arms swing can work well but tends to require more timing and therefore the misses tend to be bigger.

    • @jukkakymalainen
      @jukkakymalainen 5 років тому

      @@MiloLinesGolf Thank you very much for answer. Yes, hands and arms swing need more timing and you have less control. My personal feel is still that it is safer to just release your hands and let the club go. I mean you just have rotate your hands to get speed and not your hole body. To me it doesnt make any sense that how can fast body rotation be safer? In my opinion you need strong and fast body if you want swing like most tour players. Well anyway, your swing looks very good and powerfull 👍

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  5 років тому +1

      Jukka Kymäläinen Swinging the club around your body with body rotation does not require lots of speed of the body and because the club is swinging at a right angle to your spine it is definitely safer. But both can work if you’re going to swing the club using hands and arms focus on good rhythm and tempo.

    • @jukkakymalainen
      @jukkakymalainen 5 років тому

      @@MiloLinesGolf Last summer i actually tried play with more body dominant swing, but i always felt difficult to get enough rotation. Before that i tried Mike Malaskas style, but thats another story 😂 Thanks for the advice.

    • @BamaPaul
      @BamaPaul 5 років тому +1

      Did Jack really use the Malaska release? He was very consistent and long . But he didn’t lay the club down in transition and had thin divots.

  • @accridelich7369
    @accridelich7369 2 роки тому

    JackN had the fastest left shoulder inn the 1970-1990 version. Not arm driven. Watch Webb Simpson for that fast left shoulder. Fast left shoulder means the swing has to be vertical at the bottom.

  • @thomasrichardson-ev1wp
    @thomasrichardson-ev1wp 10 місяців тому

    My father was his caddie for three L A Open wins.

  • @thatwilldonicely1314
    @thatwilldonicely1314 3 роки тому +1

    sometimes in the quiet of the evening, perhaps one can dream, and swing like Sam Snead.

  • @johnflorio3576
    @johnflorio3576 Рік тому

    The issue with hickory shafts wasn’t flex; it was torque. In other words, the hickory shaft didn’t just flex but it also twisted - a lot! That’s why you see lots of old film of players who used hickory shafts using lots of hand action at the bottom of the swing to square the face at the last minute.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому +1

      Yep that’s why smooth acceleration was important back then.

  • @mattbuffardi
    @mattbuffardi 3 роки тому

    how did byron nelson get away with that much pelvic tilt? wouldn't it restrict lateral bend?

  • @billygraham5589
    @billygraham5589 3 роки тому

    Seems like the "new" swing that uses a big spine turn, a lot of torque, never really took over the game as was supposed to be the case. No dominant player as one using that "rotational" swing. The wins on tour were spread around pretty well. So no dominant player. And, as I take it from this video, there are two main types of swing.(1) the rotational dominant swing, and (2) the hands and arms dominant swing. (And maybe a hybrid of the two as well.) My take away on this is "don't exaggerate anything too much, or you'll end up in a bad position and be straining something, like your back.)

  • @dttruman
    @dttruman 7 місяців тому

    Many said Adam Scott swung the club like did and they are almost identical. What do you think?

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  7 місяців тому

      Read your question and edit for a reply

  • @davidclifton4394
    @davidclifton4394 2 роки тому

    USGA in 1924 legalized steel shafted clubs, but it took a few years for it to catch on. But it was seen steel was more durable and that you could get distance with steel shafted clubs folks didnt mind them too much. Bobby did win with the grand slam with hickory clubs in 1930. But Bobby (using his mechanical engineering degree from Georgia Tech) designed with Spalding as its lead golf designer the FIRST matched set of steel shafted clubs, debuting in 1932. In 1933 (the shafts were painted a yellow/woody color due to poor sales figures from "traditional" players). Starting in 1931 Bobby with Warner Bros made 18 short instructional videos on "How I play Golf" ending in 1933. Bobby was literally making the first matched set of steel shafted clubs, so its inaccurate to say his loose hands were ONLY for hickory shafted clubs. I would say that Bobby Jones had a swing that worked for him no matter if it was hickory or steel. There are people today who teach Bobby Jones's swing technique because it is applicable to "modern" steel shafted clubs.

  • @jclemish
    @jclemish Рік тому

    Milo, if you see this comment, we’re you influenced by kelvin miyahira? This reminds a lot of some of his old articles. I love it

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому

      Yes I studied quite a lot of his work years ago. He was way ahead of his time in many respects!

    • @jclemish
      @jclemish Рік тому

      Awesome, appreciate what your adding to it!

  • @jasontroutman9845
    @jasontroutman9845 2 роки тому

    It is very hard to switch to a more rotational swing when you’ve been more arm driven all your life. Is it one or the other or can you blend them? Just like other aspects of life you always seem to want what you don’t have. My pursuit of more rotation has impacted my scores negatively and caused frustration. My personal opinion is that if Norman tried to switch to a more rotational swing he wouldn’t have been better. Are you promoting more rotation to avoid injury and play golf longer?

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому

      It’s easier on the body and depending on how you use your hands and arms much more powerful. Yes change can be difficult especially without guidance from someone that understands the roadmap.

  • @batman48195
    @batman48195 Рік тому

    I think the reverse C was because they were trying to hit up on the ball to launch it with less spin.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому +1

      They did it even with wedges and in that era players launched driver low because the ball spun so much so most didn’t hit up.

  • @canefan17
    @canefan17 2 роки тому

    Surprised to see no Bubba considering how much his swing looked like the old timers.
    Great vid Milo.

  • @chrisbrimhall1613
    @chrisbrimhall1613 2 місяці тому

    Sam Snead was so athletic…..his flexibility was unbelievable

  • @barebarekun161
    @barebarekun161 2 роки тому

    Surprised you didn't include Mike Austin swing.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому

      Great swing but was never a premier player

  • @emncaity
    @emncaity 4 роки тому +1

    We'll see how long Wolf lasts with that action. Wish every player well who works hard, but I wonder whether that can still be a viable thing in five or ten years.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  4 роки тому +2

      stephen f time will tell however he’s already made a nice chunk of 🤑 most of it because of how interesting his swing looks!

    • @emncaity
      @emncaity 4 роки тому

      @@MiloLinesGolf So true. If he's smart, he'll adapt as necessary, too.

  • @mrsmartypants_1
    @mrsmartypants_1 2 роки тому

    You will note that almost all of them have a slight over-the-top move thru Ben Hogan and Sam Sneed. A “pro OTT” move not an amateur hacker/chopper OTT move. A pro OTT move is the downswing is on plane but just over the backswing plane. (This is evident if you were to trace the path of the butt (grip end) throughout the swing from beginning to end.)

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому

      As do I and most of the best modern ball strikers

    • @mrsmartypants_1
      @mrsmartypants_1 2 роки тому

      @@meyer7262 Ben Hogan had an upright backswing? 😂🤦‍♀️ Umm no 🤡

    • @mrsmartypants_1
      @mrsmartypants_1 2 роки тому

      @@meyer7262 The ACTUAL swing while hitting the ball is OTT. This is clearly proven in super slo-mo.

    • @mrsmartypants_1
      @mrsmartypants_1 2 роки тому

      @@meyer7262 Yes it does. And you obviously have the incorrect definition. The best teachers of the game have used the correct definition for many decades. Hackers like you do not know the game intimately. How could you? First you claim Hogan has an upright swing then you admit I’m right. You’re walking talking confusion.

    • @mrsmartypants_1
      @mrsmartypants_1 2 роки тому

      @@meyer7262 Please see my initial comment lol. You’re lost.

  • @nvdsingh9271
    @nvdsingh9271 2 роки тому

    Why you missed out Mike Austin and Dunaway? Aren’t they major part of golf swing history?

  • @gabardjean-paul3779
    @gabardjean-paul3779 4 роки тому

    How about Calvin PEETE ?

  • @chuckmoran929
    @chuckmoran929 3 роки тому

    4m

  • @mattbuffardi
    @mattbuffardi 3 роки тому

    it's unbelievable, Mcdonald Smith's swing is identical to the top swings of the PGA today

  • @billygraham5589
    @billygraham5589 3 роки тому

    Anyone: What does "backing out of it" to "give himself more time" mean?

    • @ksharpe10
      @ksharpe10 2 роки тому

      I will take a stab at this, I think it is standing up motion, it is very timing oriented. They used to teach in 70's posting up on the left leg. Reverse C's today are to be avoided, Most of those guys experienced back problems. Seve, couples. The guys that avoided it, have had longevity, like Tom Kite, Bernard Langer. They used to say that Payne Stewart had one of the prettiest swings ever. Sorry that Milo did not check in and answer you. He is one of the premier teachers today of the modern Rotational swing.

  • @bobwatchit9636
    @bobwatchit9636 Рік тому

    Mr. Penick said he decided to become a teacher when he heard Snead hit a 3 wood.

  • @hitechbeefcake
    @hitechbeefcake 3 роки тому

    Just goes to show you, after 150 years, the fundamentals haven't changed!

  • @sevenoranges
    @sevenoranges Рік тому

    Lovely swings... but to me the takeaway from this video is in their perfect club paths. They all had plenty of motion away from the ball and back laterally to and beyond the ball.

  • @frankxaoz1286
    @frankxaoz1286 2 роки тому

    Dustin J has the coolest swing

  • @christianhanley57
    @christianhanley57 4 роки тому

    Great video and insightful commentary. And I really love your teaching approach to the swing. Others classic swingers (or sluggers) I really enjoy watching are J. Boros, T. Lema, and R. De Vicenzo. But maybe my favorite of all swings was female Mickey Wright's ua-cam.com/video/JQhWRshs6Zs/v-deo.html. I think Hogan said she had the best swing in the game at that time. I'd love to hear your thoughts on some of these other classic swingers sometime, especially Mickey's.

  • @brucehamilton7702
    @brucehamilton7702 Місяць тому

    Missed Mickey Wright, maybe one of the best classic swings ever. Ben Hogan said she had the best swing he ever saw.

  • @johno-gb7ci
    @johno-gb7ci 2 роки тому

    They all come down on a over the top plane.. Take it back on the inside come down over the top.. This is what the over the top miracle swing is talking about.. the compression it put on the ball and shaft is better. Bernard langer Was a good example in his early years.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому

      We have videos coming soon on this topic, the reverse slot swing. Thanks for watching!

  • @davidd1395
    @davidd1395 3 роки тому

    Ralph Guldahl wrote a instruction book, after that he couldn’t play anymore, never got his swing back.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  3 роки тому

      Sadly many players that start down the road of how and why in the swing loose their way.

  • @francophillips2156
    @francophillips2156 3 роки тому

    You missed Mike Austin. My personal favorite swing of all time.

    • @mudddge
      @mudddge 3 роки тому +1

      These guys were actually good golfers who won tournaments

    • @jacobr4558
      @jacobr4558 3 роки тому

      This video is about SWINGS not scoring.

  • @fradaja
    @fradaja Рік тому

    Snead and couples look identical at the top

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  Рік тому

      Some similarities, yes.

    • @fradaja
      @fradaja Рік тому

      @@MiloLinesGolf left heel is the main difference , which falls in with my theory of left heal lifters , have less back issues

  • @TheNYgolfer
    @TheNYgolfer 3 роки тому

    Nice compilation but you're kind of comparing apples to oranges. Two plane swings vs one plane swings. Arms and hands controlling the pivot swing vs pivot controlled arms and hands swing. Swingers vs. hitters. Many ways to skin a cat in golf (past and present).
    Each has it's advantages and disadvantages. Which suits a certain golfer best depends on many variables including body size, physical strength, flexibility, athletic ability etc.
    Where does Moe Norman fit into all of this? He danced to his own drummer. He is probably giving the golfing Gods a clinic as I'm writing this and telling them how great he is..lol

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  3 роки тому

      I don’t buy into the one vs two plane swing stuff. It’s more pivot vs arms powering the swing. Nearly all tour players swings Pre 1968 were pivot driven then it became popular to use more arm drive and pelvic slide now we are seeing a move back towards pivot power.

  • @chubeviewer
    @chubeviewer 3 роки тому +1

    modern golf swing causes a lot of strain on the body, unlike this more natural way.

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  3 роки тому

      A lot of different modern golf swings, I just like the idea of putting less strain on the body through movement seen in other sports. More rotational.

  • @patrickmccormick1844
    @patrickmccormick1844 2 роки тому

    Where is George Knudson?

    • @MiloLinesGolf
      @MiloLinesGolf  2 роки тому +1

      Great golf swing but didn’t win many tournaments because of his putter.