Oz Noy's Subconscious Sweeping
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- Опубліковано 31 січ 2018
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How do great players use sophisticated picking movements while being unaware that they are doing so? The amazing Oz Noy explains! The Oz Noy interview will be up on the Cracking the Code platform soon, with complete tablature and slow motion clips of Oz's awesomely fluid two-way economy / sweep mechanics and boundless harmonic inventiveness.
Have questions about this video? Check out the linked topic on the Cracking the Code forum! forum.troygrady.com/t/oz-noy-has-all-the-movements/2423
Hey Troy, I got a speed technique you can check out. I call it "the choker" where I choke up playing and miss everything.
Hahaha classic! I think we all have that technique.
Amazing work Troy. I think you are one of the people who have taught me the most about technique.
This is an example of why Troy is making science and pedagogy discoveries for the history of electric guitar. If you are serious about teaching or learning guitar, you have to subscribe to Masters in Mechanics. Thanks again Troy for your work that changed my playing forever
This man's sweep is so consistent and in time it's just blowing my mind.
The G scale at 3:07 was Alternate picking (up) and economy picking ( down the scale)
So cool! It's always nice to see great players like Oz who are open to discovering how their own playing works. The shift in the technique is so obvious! Looking forward to watching the full interview.
Those are the most GORGEOUS pickslant changes
Awesome Troy! Thank you Troy and Oz!
Thanks Troy, this video has been very enjoyable to watch!
Oz warming up is a thousand times better than the best thing I've ever played in my life
thank you for all you do
I love that picking technique!
yeeeeeeeei!!!, thanx Troy, my favorite player in the universe!!!!
Great vid, I pick very similar to him but subconsciously add fingerpicking sometimes. A friend noticed that while trying to figure out some lick from one of my vids. Its amazing the things we do at speed and dont even realize..
Troy is a clinical psychologist of guitarist. Awesome breakdown of techniques.
This is my natural picking style. I've tried to do the same on the downstroke... not much success so far. I'm just happy to see a pro player doing the same :)
Tremendous insight into Oz Noy's style. "I'm not a natural because I practice everything" . Troy, can you get Vin Diesel to star in "Oz Noy-The Movie"
That was eye opening
I remember reading an interview with Oz a long time ago where he stated he didn't have great technique, but damn, he has fantastic technique.
It's true. When we sat down he was like, I'm not really technical. I was like, uh, what?
Just fabulous
Will there ever be a season 3 of Cracking the Code?
Really looking forward to seeing the full interview! Any updates on that?
Am I changing my picking?
😂
Cool watching that light bulb go on!
Gotta love the auto one string sweep with auto slant reverse technology...
Thanks BTW!
Yep, pure alternation on the way up, economy on the way back.
No it's economy both ways.
nope. Shawn 71 is right. Go to 3:07 and play it in slow motion
I was brought to this video specifically cause of a friend who suggested it when I told him I economy on the way up and alternate back down so I can vouch for him doing this, just the opposite of what I do. I thought it was a weird bad habit but this makes me feel better about it haha.
good one, I play the same way you do...Guess there are as many ways to play as players...the best way is the most comfortable and natural for you, but..sometimes it takes, paradoxically, many years to find wich is your natural way of playin´...strange circle in time
Nope ... He's definitely doing some economy when ascending as well. He doesn't do it at the 3:07 scale because he plays it slower when ascending but speeds up when he starts to come back down. But if you watch earlier in the video at half speed, you can clearly see him using economy picking when ascending as well. Check out around the 1:30 mark, for instance. It's clear as day.
I do the exact same thing. I thought I was doing it "wrong" for a lot of time...I use the same angle with the right hand, and i think it's a lot easier to do the economy picking going upwards, than changing picking angle every other string.
And if I have to go up in an even number of notes per string, I start with an up stroke instead of a down one. All to keep the right hand angle fixed.
Interesting!
Wow.. I always assumed Malmsteen was lying when he said he 'doesn't think about picking' .. ie to keep the secret for himself! But this guy Oz Noy seems 100% sincere!?
+Andybaby Exact same thing I thought of! I think these amazing players are genuine - they all play by feel.
It's the same when someone says he can't play it when he does it slower cause it would change their playing.
The other thing is some play faster than their mind could process. If they'd try to look what they're doing, they'd mess it up. The last bit is something Jeff Waters told me and he's a 0% BS person.
Hey Troy, you need to interview Chris Poland: unique player
Thanks a lot! Would be also great if you would interview Adam Rogers.
The oz is 100% awesome.
Andreas Oberg interview please
We need Brett Garsed technique analize.
Good job Troy
Yeah Oz!
Wow! Very interesting. I wonder what teaching you can gather from this if it's so random and involuntary on Oz Noy's part?
You to have to get Alex Hutchings on.
Great work troy👍
This is so Oz.
Notice how when he changes to economy when descending (the only economy part that's visible on slow motion) the timing is not so even anymore. But I think that at high speeds you can't hear the difference, despite being obvious on slow motion. Sweeping is only better for super fast arpeggios, otherwise the timing is not so good when you're mixing it with alternate and forcing the limit.
This is why I still say Paul Gilbert economy picks when he says he alternate picks everything. That famous 6 note Gilbert thing is played so fast by him I can't believe it's really alternate picking. I can approach his speed on that lick but ONLY by economy picking.
Chuck Haney he plays alternate mostly. He pushed his thumb back in order to create spasms. If you see his old vids you will understand what I’m saying
when is this coming out?! id love to watch the whole thing, Oz is incredible!
We'll get this out in the next month or so.
Did this come out already? i think i missed it!
Where can i find it?
Troy, I would love to see you do this with Phil Keaggy.
Something is going on here: if you alternate pick ascend 3nps and economy pick descend with no repeated notes the lowest note will be an upstroke, but at the end he starts the scale again on a downstroke…does he exit economy with a hop on the final descending note on string 5? The upward pick slant established from the economy picking should make a clean usx impractical?? I actually subconsciously do the exact same method of traversal but I usually only play up and down the scale once or I mask the direction change with a single legato note (or fuck it up) so this is driving me nuts
when you stopped to say "somehow" near the end it reminded me of the way steve vai talks.. you have a similar accent to him..
also this is really weird... almost everyone I know who economy picks has thought it through or like heard about it from someone
jkljlkhklj both are from Long Island NY
Like a child 🙃. Great playing sir!
so easy when i watch, so hard when i practice
So, it would seem from these clips that he's a primary upward pickslanter who uses two-way pickslanting to alternate on the way up, and sweeping with an upward slant on the way down.
Right on!
That would be funny if it weren't so awesome. He had no idea he was sweeping/economy picking part of the time. Sometimes the body just finds the most efficient movement.
This is the guy who wrote the book on how Mamsteen plays, right?
I guess I was too hard on this guy. I didn't know he could play this well.
am I missing something cuz I don't see him using any sweep motions when he's playing it slow or is it because I'm driving trying to watch this video at the same time
Don't drive and watch our videos!
Troy Grady thanks for the reply troy! but as guitarists you know we love multitasking!!
He alternated the way up but switched to economy for descending
kinda like Gambale..no?? yes??
He almost seemed offended when you suggested he's a natural. In reality he didn't understand what you meant-he would if he saw your early videos.
So basically when he plays slow his technique is alternate picking, but when playing fast it changes to economy picking.
Nath Smith whenever he changes a string, he uses economy picking. Multiple notes on one string is alternate picking here.
Which tells us economy picking is best, as there's no need to change pick angle when changing strings!! =)
+martinavizcomm Not exactly - Oz is still two-way pickslanting during economy because economy is really a complicated mix of alternate and sweep. The fact that he can do it without thinking is the amazing part.
It's amazing to watch. Guys like you make me want to burn my guitar!! =)
I don't see how anyone might be able to think of how they're going to pick each note when they have to think of more pressing matters like what to play and how (dynamic, expression etc.) to play it. I really think that anyone who takes the time to practice well (focussing on good tone, dynamics and timing) is a natural, as you say, i.e. finds the right way to pick without having to focus on what exactly his right hand is doing - unless they are playing specific right hand exercises.
Malmsteen style of picking...
No way.
0:46 Wow, sounds a lot like Joe Bonamassa.
What the hell is this guy ever playing?
Oz plays awesome stuff, and we also did a few jams on Autumn Leaves, All The Things You Are, and some blues stuff. The blizzard of notes you're seeing here was just Oz warming up, but I kept the camera rolling to capture the incredible variety of hand movements he's capable of.
Troy Grady, he’s very good. No doubt about that. My ear has a hard time understanding some of the melodic ideas he’s expressing. He transitions from diminished to blues and into other modes seamlessly and unexpectedly, or at least that’s his it sounds to my ear. I’ve been a guitar teacher for fourteen years, but I’m certainly no Troy Grady.
Nothing wrong with your ear, you're totally correct, he's just warming up with stream of consciousness stuff. It's a mix just to get his fingers happening. All the great improvisers we interview do this. I've learned to get that camera rolling as soon as they pull out the guitar because for mechanics type stuff it's a gold mine of things to study. For more considered playing, yes Oz does totally mix all those tonalities, but in a way that flows and which I totally dig. You can check out some solo clips with scrolling tab on his web site in the 'teaching' section.
Troy Grady, thank you!
Some of his lines sound like McLaughlin's more recent output. I was vaguely aware of this guy, but didn't know he was that good. I'm going to check out his website.
That's NOT sweeping!
That's economy/ alternate picking!
Miles Williams economy picking is sweeping when you can
VanGuitar yes that's true to an extent, economy is simply what it states, economizing your motion and at times that may involve sweep picking, but I said economy/alternate picking which is what he is using. Sweeping is similar to what a bassist calls raking.
It's like strumming a chord, attacking each string once in one direction, except you are breaking your chord into an arpeggio, then coming back in the opposite direction and so on.
There are exceptions to this of course but mostly, as far as I'm aware, that's what is meant by sweeping.
Striking a string with an up and down attack is alternate picking, and doing it with as little motion as physically possible is economizing that alternate picking technique and that's what is happening here.
Miles Williams the way that I learned it in many books, is that economy picking IS sweeping each and every time you can. It has nothing to do with amplitude of movement .This guy is clearly improvising, and he economy picks on the way up, that means he sweeps every time it is possible to sweep. (That means that he will alternate pick some notes and sweep what he can that’s why it’s called economy picking) On the way down he seems to only alternate pick. I don’t know if what I said is clear but that’s the way I read it in the books.