TLDR: Don't go all-in on status damage, power surge damage or shock element damage. Get a roughly equal amount of each of them, because they multiply each other. A mix of different modifiers is king. (also crit damage and crit chance if you are running the corrosion)
However that’s not exactly true, since not because some things are multiplicative with each other means you should get roughly equal amount of each of them. For instance, 2 rolls of ele dmg (1.04) > 1 ele dmg roll + 1 stat dmg roll (1.032)
Thanks for the in-depth explanation. I really like the MP7 cause it’s such a good all-rounder (except against forsaken giant lol). The only other guns I’ve seen outdamage the MP7 is the Doombringer in silos or monoliths, and the MG4 Predator in prime wars
dmgDealtCrit = intensity / 2 * (1 + critdmg / 100) * (1 + statusdmg / 100) * (1 + elementaldmg / 100) * (1 + additionaldamage / 100) is the right formula(took it from my bot that calculates it all), the only additive math used in OH is crit dmg + headshot (headhsot + crit = wep dmg * (weakspot / 100) + wep dmg * (critdmg / 100) + wep dmg). Every additional bonus damage with same name(e.g from your vid both craddles gives power surge dmg bonus so its same) are just summing with each other(20+25) and then being added in a formula(first one) to calculate the damage.
Not perfect but I think it’s by design so you need to make at least 2 main builds. A lot of enemies that immune to elemental dmg have a clear and big weak spot, while enemies that don’t have a weak spot or hard to land aren’t immune to elemental damage. I know some weak spot build can bypass that but they seem to be out scaled by elemental builds in those cases.
So for now total immune to elemental/status has boss in EX aka traffic light and Forsaken Giant aka Cry baby, also Hound has some sort of immune/reduced dmg to Frost, and Treant has also some sort of immune/reduced dmg to to Power Surge.
okay, now i know what you mean 😂 i was playing Forsaken giant and it was so bad 😂😂 i love my surge build. but i have counter this problem few times... but good thing i have desert eagle jaw build saved so i can quick swap. so now i need to keep both with me all the time.
I love this explanation. but i definitely need more. i would love to learn more about mods. how they stack etc. just can't get same numbers than others. only explanation is that my mods attribute sucks.but anyway hope to learn more. and definitely going to sub and like 😇👍 (edit: oh i was sub before already) 😂
Getting general buffs, for instance, status dmg here, is better than specific buffs (dmg vs great ones), are better than specific buffs because they’ll also buff your dmg against other type of enemies
I said for the most part in the video because the only other additive source is the power surge damage bonus in your cradle, which really didn’t matter because if u run power surge you’ll always run those two cradles anyway :P. For power surge builds, only additive things you’ll need to look out for will be between crit damage and weakspot dmg from everything I’ve tested
1.5 because deviation gives 50% buff against deviant, which methematically is equal to 1.5 of a multiplier. Pretty much yeah almost each multiplier is multiplicative w each other
Bro you really gotta do Part 2 and a tl;dr for this. Jumping from A to B to C calculations is giving me an aneurysm. What I really care to know is this ? In terms of priority what are the damage modifiers we should be focusing on (e.g., Element > status > weapon > crit damage etc.)? and secondly, for mp7 surge build for example, should we be stacking lone wolf or shelterer 4 piece ? that's it lol.
@@EsotericWolf lol, that's exactly my build! The important lesson from all the math is that you want to spread out your buffs between all relevant damage modifiers. Don't go all-in on status damage, power surge damage or shock element damage. Get a roughly equal amount of each of them, because they multiply each other.
@Ramschat I'm actually running that as well lol that makes sense, tho! Thank you! I was trying to make my crit rate a little higher. I need to farm more mods!
@mawn7976 wouldn't the gas mask synergize better w socr boosting crit rate? Asking bc I'm gonna go all in and get gas mask, and next big starchrom will be corrosion
@@billkoch9065 the reason would be that the corrosion’s power surge can also crit whereas for your scar, it can’t . And assume you have 100% crit rate on your scar, it’s only going to be a 10% increase chance for your scar to proc power surge, which doesn’t compare to the x2 proc per power surge from mayfly
You get 1 every time your sanity drops below 50%, up to 6 (including ones you'd get from deviation consumables). But unlike those, they're mostly negative, like swimming much faster but having sprinting speed reduced and such. You can get rid of them by sleeping (and probably some other things I forgot right now).
Bro I’m sorry but you lost me towards the end. You pulled up a Fast gunner Mod and were calculating with the Power Surge build… so that right there threw me off from an otherwise good video
@@ohsfiegwsrg all good, but like I said in the video, it is exactly the same for power surge, did not make a difference whether I was looking at fast gunner or power surge
Yeah, he was just talking about chance to proc. What you're proc'ing doesn't matter. He was just calling out what will happen if you only have one buff/source for your proc chance
TLDR: Don't go all-in on status damage, power surge damage or shock element damage. Get a roughly equal amount of each of them, because they multiply each other. A mix of different modifiers is king. (also crit damage and crit chance if you are running the corrosion)
However that’s not exactly true, since not because some things are multiplicative with each other means you should get roughly equal amount of each of them. For instance, 2 rolls of ele dmg (1.04) > 1 ele dmg roll + 1 stat dmg roll (1.032)
Thanks for the in-depth explanation. I really like the MP7 cause it’s such a good all-rounder (except against forsaken giant lol). The only other guns I’ve seen outdamage the MP7 is the Doombringer in silos or monoliths, and the MG4 Predator in prime wars
dmgDealtCrit = intensity / 2 * (1 + critdmg / 100) * (1 + statusdmg / 100) * (1 + elementaldmg / 100) * (1 + additionaldamage / 100) is the right formula(took it from my bot that calculates it all), the only additive math used in OH is crit dmg + headshot (headhsot + crit = wep dmg * (weakspot / 100) + wep dmg * (critdmg / 100) + wep dmg).
Every additional bonus damage with same name(e.g from your vid both craddles gives power surge dmg bonus so its same) are just summing with each other(20+25) and then being added in a formula(first one) to calculate the damage.
Now if only some of the bosses werent immune to status effects... sigh...
how you know what is and what isn't? it's so confusing all this.
Not perfect but I think it’s by design so you need to make at least 2 main builds. A lot of enemies that immune to elemental dmg have a clear and big weak spot, while enemies that don’t have a weak spot or hard to land aren’t immune to elemental damage. I know some weak spot build can bypass that but they seem to be out scaled by elemental builds in those cases.
So for now total immune to elemental/status has boss in EX aka traffic light and Forsaken Giant aka Cry baby, also Hound has some sort of immune/reduced dmg to Frost, and Treant has also some sort of immune/reduced dmg to to Power Surge.
okay, now i know what you mean 😂 i was playing Forsaken giant and it was so bad 😂😂 i love my surge build. but i have counter this problem few times... but good thing i have desert eagle jaw build saved so i can quick swap. so now i need to keep both with me all the time.
@@Daemonic6 oh yeah traffic light was least one another suprise to me 😂
the math is mathing! i love this explanation thank you!
I really like power surge build
I love this explanation. but i definitely need more. i would love to learn more about mods. how they stack etc. just can't get same numbers than others. only explanation is that my mods attribute sucks.but anyway hope to learn more. and definitely going to sub and like 😇👍 (edit: oh i was sub before already) 😂
Dude we need part 2 already 😂 i was waiting it already and realize this was same video 😅
@@protoni6996 it’ll come soon enough when I finish working on my other videos ;D
Hello, can you show how this shotgun works in pvp mode?
this is so helpful
What about a test with Normal/Great ones is better to have 6% status dmg or 6% great one for example
Getting general buffs, for instance, status dmg here, is better than specific buffs (dmg vs great ones), are better than specific buffs because they’ll also buff your dmg against other type of enemies
@@mawn7976 yes that's a good point i was just wondering which would do more dmg
@@hardzinalves8910 assuming you either have 6% status dmg or 6% dmg against great ones, and you’re shooting against a great one, they’ll do the same
Now we gotta figure out where all the additive damage sources are at.
I said for the most part in the video because the only other additive source is the power surge damage bonus in your cradle, which really didn’t matter because if u run power surge you’ll always run those two cradles anyway :P. For power surge builds, only additive things you’ll need to look out for will be between crit damage and weakspot dmg from everything I’ve tested
@@mawn7976привет,а можешь ли ты показать подробнее,что ты именно поставил в одежду и оружие ( моды)
@mawn7976 don't forget cradles
Have a high chance of being different every scenario
at 5:13. Is it 1.5 because of (1+0.5) ? is every external attribute need to be +1 to get the correct formula ?
1.5 because deviation gives 50% buff against deviant, which methematically is equal to 1.5 of a multiplier. Pretty much yeah almost each multiplier is multiplicative w each other
So much math lol, awesome info tho
Bro you really gotta do Part 2 and a tl;dr for this. Jumping from A to B to C calculations is giving me an aneurysm. What I really care to know is this ? In terms of priority what are the damage modifiers we should be focusing on (e.g., Element > status > weapon > crit damage etc.)? and secondly, for mp7 surge build for example, should we be stacking lone wolf or shelterer 4 piece ? that's it lol.
Depends on the gun, but for MPS7 it’s elemental damage, no crit
@@mawn7976 what a garbage dog sht comment lol .. that's what u got from my entire question ? LOL
I heard some are using Mayfly Goggles, 3 piece shelterer and 2 piece heavy duty.
@@EsotericWolf lol, that's exactly my build! The important lesson from all the math is that you want to spread out your buffs between all relevant damage modifiers. Don't go all-in on status damage, power surge damage or shock element damage. Get a roughly equal amount of each of them, because they multiply each other.
@Ramschat I'm actually running that as well lol that makes sense, tho! Thank you! I was trying to make my crit rate a little higher. I need to farm more mods!
TLDR: it rounds the number out.
amazing. now, lets ask the billion dollar question, why you rolling with the birthday suit😊?
Because he had to remove any armor buffs...
How is the gas mask/corrosion shotty and gas mask/socr?
Gas mask is for corrosion. Mayfly for SOCR. I ve made a guide already for the corrosion, go check it out! :P
@mawn7976 wouldn't the gas mask synergize better w socr boosting crit rate? Asking bc I'm gonna go all in and get gas mask, and next big starchrom will be corrosion
@@billkoch9065 the reason would be that the corrosion’s power surge can also crit whereas for your scar, it can’t . And assume you have 100% crit rate on your scar, it’s only going to be a 10% increase chance for your scar to proc power surge, which doesn’t compare to the x2 proc per power surge from mayfly
@mawn7976 liked and now followed, thank you for taking time and explaining. Love the game, hate how their tool tips or details are lacking!
What are those two buffs over sanity icon
Could you give me the timestamp?
@@mawn7976 just after you took your set off. i remember at CBT Sanity sometimes buffs and debuffs some things.
Oh those aren’t buffs, they’re whims that make my sanity drop due to not having pollution resist(no armor) and being in a polluted area
You get 1 every time your sanity drops below 50%, up to 6 (including ones you'd get from deviation consumables).
But unlike those, they're mostly negative, like swimming much faster but having sprinting speed reduced and such.
You can get rid of them by sleeping (and probably some other things I forgot right now).
do one for crit dmg vs weak spot vs weapon dmg
Crt dmg ADDS to weakspot and Weapon Dmg multiplies both.
Bro I’m sorry but you lost me towards the end. You pulled up a Fast gunner Mod and were calculating with the Power Surge build… so that right there threw me off from an otherwise good video
@@ohsfiegwsrg all good, but like I said in the video, it is exactly the same for power surge, did not make a difference whether I was looking at fast gunner or power surge
Yeah, he was just talking about chance to proc. What you're proc'ing doesn't matter. He was just calling out what will happen if you only have one buff/source for your proc chance
If you would stop flickering your mouse so much we could actually see thanks.
Cant beat the spider unistalled game buy
Ask someone to team with you. Ez-pz. The spider is meant to be hard. If you like that, you'll love LEA Research Lab.