The Tony Hawk's Pro Skater Tony Hawk Knockoff Collection (Old Version)
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It was in 1999 when Activision and never soft released Tony hawk's pro skater, thereby redefining the entire genre of skateboarding games. With its smooth gameplay, impressive physics, intuitive controls, a variety in gameplay challenges that kept things fresh, and of course the most famous skateboarder of all time attached to the project. While it's primitive by today's standards, Tony hawk's pro skater and its sequels became the tent pole of the entire skateboarding genre a decade. So naturally, it's success spawned a bunch of imitators from similar brands hoping to get their piece of the pie. So today I'm taking a look at that. This is The Tony Hawk's Pro Skater Tony Hawk Knockoff Collection.
0:00 Intro
1:45 The Simpsons Skateboarding
10:15 MTV Skateboarding Featuring Andy MacDonald
16:30 Backyard Skateboarding
21:21 Skateboard Madness Xtreme Edition
29:25 Disney's Extreme Skate Adventure
35:24 Go! Go! Hypergrind
42:38 Disney Sports Skateboarding
47:10 Disney's Extremely Goofy Skateboarding
51:11 ESPN X-Games Skateboarding
57:21 Evolution Skateboarding
1:00:51 Yanya Callabista City Skater
1:06:32 Skatebird
1:15:19 Outro
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Fun fact: In the GBA version of Backyard Skateboarding, Tony Hawk is a unlockable character
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Disney Sports Skateboarding doesn't even try to hide the fact that it's ripping off Sonic Adventure. Every single level shown in that segment I could specifically point out which level it was ripping off.
You do some justice describing the controls issues in Simpsons Skateboarding, but you'll never realize how truly broken it is until you play yourself. I guarantee no one has 100% completion legitimately.
*coughs in 100% LP and speedrun as well as near completion of every single skater in the game*
I spent hours as a kid trying to learn how that game worked lol I remember specifically hating having to upgrade stats to do simple things. Definitely was one of those games I played only cause it was in vicinity lol
“It feels like an alpha demo for a bootleg” might be the harshest thing I’ve heard said about a game in a while.
And there wasn't a game more deserving of it
I was so excited about Simpsons Skateboarding. Skating around Springfield sounded like the best thing ever, you can imagine my disappointment.
If only Activision was the publisher and they got Vicarious Visions, Toys For Bob or Shaba to make the game. They coulda used THPS 4 like what Extreme Skate Adventure did
@@angelriverasantana7755 Touche
No... I felt it.
I remember playing a demo for Go Go Hypergrind on a store kiosk and quite enjoying the game (and being a teenager going through puberty, take a good guess on which level specific gimmick stood out the most). Never got around to buying a copy as I had a pretty limited allowance and only spent it on games I already had more hype built up towards. This was late 2003, so I’m pretty sure what I grabbed was Freedom Fighters because I saw the game get a lot of glowing praise at the time and just had to have it (no regrets either, that game is awesome). Still, this and Cubivore always stand out in my mind as two weirdly connected GameCube games I wish I had grabbed before they became absurdly expensive (the weird connection being Altus published both).
I found the comment about the lack of flip tricks due to the GameCube controller a bit odd though, I played THPS3 and 4 on GameCube and they had flip tricks.
The GameCube had Tony Hawks Pro Skater games, but none of them had to accommodate the gimmick system which requires an extra button input that the console didn't have. So they had to compensate by removing something that was already there.
@@TBPOh wait that’s right, you even said in the video the gimmicks used the X button, dumb me had a brain fart and mistakenly thought they were triggered automatically (plus I t has been over 20 years since playing that demo after all).
All good
My solution to Skatebird's combo system would be have a button you can press to immediately cash in the combo assuming you aren't midair or in the middle of a trick.
15:56 I figured as much; Devil May Cry didn't exist yet at the time of this game's release.
The one notable thing about ESPN X-Games Skateboarding that I'm surprised you didn't mention is that it's the reason why Bob Burnquist wasn't in THPS3 because he was part of the playable roster and they didn't want him appearing in a competitor's game. It's notable since otherwise Bob appears in every Tony Hawk's game except THPS5 (which we don't talk about anyway) and is the skater with the most appearances in the series outside of Tony himself.
I was expecting the biggest red flag on the cover of Skateboard Madness to be the price being printed right onto the box art in a size bigger than the title lettering, not the small developer emblem in the corner. But yeah, when you find out what Phoenix has made, it is indeed the biggest red flag.
I played 1 level in that Simpsons Skateboarding. Bart felt so heavy that I found myself asking "How is it that there's more cartoon-y physics in Tony Hawk than the actual cartoon video game?"
You should also do a follow up to this with similar games using different extreme sports. Kelly Slater's Pro Surfing, Matt Hoffman Pro BMX and Dave Mirra's Freestyle BMX series.
I remember the Wake Boarding game being pretty fun
Don't forget XXX BMX, which I believe was supposed to be Dave Mira 2, but when he saw what they were doing with it, demanded they take his name off it
@@AathielVaDaathas opposed to the actual fave mira 2
3 things:
1. You'd be surprised how fast a hippo is, though I'm not sure about a drunk one
2. I actually played Evolution Skateboarding, so it was interesting hearing your critique.
3. As someone with an African Grey parrot, Skatebird is freaking precious
Always a good day when TBP posts
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Honestly, UA-camr that buck the trend and upload long videos are by far my favorite UA-camrs!
The trend rn is kinda long videos
Evolution Skateboarding was probably my favorite just because of how outlandish it was, like there was also a Dracula boss fight in it, lol. All the castle levels are weird little nods to Castlevania, and in addition to playing as Snake and Raiden, Simon Belmont and Frogger are also unlockable characters.
P. S. That skate punk remix of the MGS theme still goes hard
Spyro 3 unironically had some really good skateboarding sections although it was extremely limited, doing a gnasty gnork was extremely satisfying in that game! Street Skater 2 was also really fun.
He tried to hide it, but I saw the "Disney Extreme Skate Adventure" cover on the thumbnail.
You better give that game a 10 out of 10. I don't care if it's barely a 7, you better give it a 10!
You should make a sequel to this about skateboarding in non-skateboarding videogames
I love myself a long vid, great one Bacon
Let’s be real, Go! Go! Hypergrind has a kickass soundtrack. Awesome!
For every Skatebird, Marlow Briggs, Dead in the Water, etc, you got an X-Blades, Smash N Survive, Thor God of Thunder, and Skateboard Madness: Xtreme Edition.
As well as commercial failures that got buried in time like Blood Drive and Knights Contract
Here before this goes down 🔥
Skateboard Madness really is an insufferable experience. I felt physical pain watching you do the staircase hops.
1:08:15 don't know if it was intentional, but that line kinda has a double meaning. rip akira toriyama
It was even referenced during a bird game when he founded Bird Studio.
Tony Hawk games have a strange family tree which has numerous imitators, but the only ones that weren't terrible ripped it off wholesale. It just achieved perfection and no one has been able to improve on it in a meaningful way.
This video is radical!
Skatebird reminds me of my little bird friends from years back. I managed to train some wild scrub jays and they became my friends. I could walk outside, raise my hand and they'd glide into it. It was great. I miss those little guys.
If you ever enjoy messing with the park editor, you should give Skatepark Tycoon a try.
I can see a sequel to this with non-skateboard THPS games.
sweet more knockoff games collection.
Great idea for a video
Fantastic video as always tbp. Between this and twisted metal, you’re killing it.
It a pretty recent, but there is a game that mixes THPS with rouge-lite elements thats in early access called Helskate. At its current state its a fun time and its got room to improve.
Is that the one that also has you fighting demons ?
@@Gatorade69 Yep, some rooms are fodder demons, there are some boss rooms and there are competition rooms
I remember seeing the Phoenix game in the caddicarus skateboarding video. Man didn't know how to do any tricks. TBP you are awesome for actually being able to tricks in it lol
I wonder what would happen if you mapped forward to the X/A button in Simpsons Skate?
So the random as fuck reference to Akira Toriyame, founder of Bird Studios, referenced during a bird game has my mind blown. Especially after recent news.
You forgot Grind Session which was nearly identical to THPS1/2
Not Tony Hawk related, but I've been having a blast with Ollie Ollie World. It has a good difficulty curve, pulling off harder tricks is so satisfying when you nail them, and it's kinda neat to see a videogame with an artstyle similar to Adventure Times.
I kinda wish there were more skateboarding and snowboarding games that were unafraid to have a wacky side nowadays. They don't have as wide a market nowadays, sure, but I'd be down for another SSX-inspired game considering how much I loved Tricky and 3 as a kid.
SSX 3 is really good. It actually still looks decent emulated and upscaled too. I just love how you can board the whole mountain from the top to the bottom. I no longer have my copy but have been trying to find another one.
I never played Yanya Caballista, but one thing I remembered when you showed the cover art is the store brand SS2 Gohan on the front. I was working at gamestop when it came out and was making fun of that aspect lol
40:01 so you know, there's a chest code that removes the X Button requirement to activate the Gimmicks, but then again, its a cheatcode.
30:40 Actually, That's NOT RANDOM, there was a contest that ran a few months prior to the game realise, and The Winners are added to the game as the Human skaters you talked about, 1 was locked Lil Bow Wow a Artist famous at the time.
"Famous at the time." I mean, I guess ? He was more of a one hit wonder and pushed hard by channels like Nickelodeon (just like Aaron Carter). You know what... Maybe I'm thinking of lil' Romeo. Lol.
I remember recently memories of playing Backyard Skateboarding when I was much younger, and so I decided to play it again with emulation. Was still just as fun as I remember back then, though for some reason I have this vague thought about going up a half pipe so fast I just shot up through previous stages lol
If this ever gets a part 2, Grind Session deserves a look
YOOO huge pop for the darby allin reference.
Yanya Caballista actually shipped with a finger board that you put over the analog sticks. I don't know if that made it better but it was interesting nonetheless.
Bacon commander can say what he wants but when he got that card on the rail in a perfect sequence I leapt to my feet with the hype
This was a good look into many of these games. And to be honest, i get why you specifically only tackled ones that ACTUALLY were skateboarding, because if you went for the other extreme sports games that were knocking off Tony Hawk but were like, BMX or something, this video would be 3+ hours long.
Simpsons Skateboarding - I appreciate how fair you are with the criticism of this game and that you didn't outright give this a 0 or 1. Personally, the game is a 4/10 for me, as it definitely has some charm and quality to it, even if it has problems. It's not a great game, but in no way is this a bad game or even the "worst skateboarding game ever" like many internet reviewers like to give it.
MTV Sports Skateboarding - And here is where we differ extremely. I dont think this game plays well at all. It's immensely clunky with tricks that really don't work well and levels that both feel and act broken, even being too big for their own good in places. Plus, game is legitimately unfinished. There's content you can only unlock with a cheat because they never actually set an unlock goal for it, there's unlocks that can bug out, there's goals that can bug out and they even left beta files into the game where you can see the crude humor they slapped about like having a character called "Boner Petite" in the script files of a beta. Dark Black didn't do a good job and it shows in their resume, because the next game would be Rocket Power Team Rocket Rescue on PS1, which was also a fairly bad game, before going defunct. To me, MTV Sports Skateboarding is one of the worst MTV Sports games and is a 1-2 out of 10.
Backyard Skateboarding - I agree pretty much exactly with you on this. I also think this is a 7/10 game and deserves a re-release.
Skateboard Madness - I longplayed this years ago. It was over an hour long because of ONE mode forcing you to sit on your ass for 10 minutes every single time. The game sucked hard. It's not the worst of Phoenix Games' work, but it's 100% a 0/10 still. And you know what the saddest bit is? This is STILL not the worst Skateboarding game ever made! But it is on console! Look at Extreme Boards and Blades or Precision Skateboarding on PC if you wanna see how low the bar can get.
Disney's Extreme Skate Adventure - 2-3/10. I know that sounds like a joke, but no, i've basically become the "one guy" who things DESA is not only not a good skateboarding game, but an insult at THPS. At least with the rest of these, they were trying to re-create what Tony Hawk did, even if failed. DESA HAD the engine and controls... and they fucking butchered it "for the kids", except all they did was make the controls worse, remove the versatility of the trick system, made the goals either a joke or a pain in the ass due to level design and awkward physics issues and just made a BAD impression for someone coming into this game as a teaching tool to get prepared for THPS4, which was ONE OF THE MAIN SELLING POINTS. The only thing you'll mainly get from this is playing Disney characters and being in Disney worlds. But even then, when the most people talk about with DESA is Andy's Room, the first Toy Story level, and they don't even bring up the rest of the levels, including Olliewood, a hub world for your created skater, says so fucking much. And god, Olliewood... never experienced another skateboarding game be THAT in your face with product placement for shit like McDonalds and Nokia ringtones. 2-3/10. End of story. Fight me.
Go Go Hypergrind - 6-7/10 for me. The worst part is no one has 100%'d this still (im still trying to figure it out myself) and getting a physical copy of this game is horrendous. Also, dont play Hard unless you're very good at the tricking in this game, because the gag thing will not help you in the scores and combos side of things. This game expects MILLIONS of points in so few time in Hard, its insane.
Disney Sports Skateboarding - Oh hey, another game nobody knows how to 100% because of mysterious requirements. Unfortunately have not yet played this, but from what i've seen... yea, 3/10 seems about fair.
Extremely Goofy Skateboarding - How is this a 4/10? This is so floaty, awkward and boring of a game with no way to fail it really. It's a solid 1-2 out of 10 with me, its just pathetic to experience.
ESPN X-Games Skateboarding - 4-5/10 game for me. I think this was a fine game, but not memorable, not exactly fun in spots and is just overall middle ground blah. Meanwhile...
Evolution Skateboarding - 7-8/10. One of the best in the genre that isn't solely someone like Neversoft. Konami had a homerun with this and it sucks they never pushed forward with it since, Evolution Skateboarding is a good one that deserves mention for alternatives. You'll even find some love to Konami's other IPs in this, like Castlevania and obviously, MGS.
Yanya Caballista - If we go casual, i think this game is a 6/10. It has some jank to it and its control scheme aint great, but its tutorial does well with letting you know how the game works and feels and the game overall can be fun and challenging. But if we go 100%, where you have to also beat the main game mode on Hard... yeeeeaaaa, this game is bonkers bullshit to deal with and our scores would be the same at that point of 3/10.
SkateBird - It's cute. It's silly. It has that Goat Simulator-esque physics thing to it, which can be immensely jank for a game like this. It's levels do kinda suck and sometimes so do the goals. But i like it. I don't think its the best of the list though and even though it's indie and more recent, that doesn't mean it's suddenly better because of that. 6/10.
Btw, if we did include Thrasher, even though it is a bit unfair due to when that came out, it's a 7-8/10 game as well to me. I still think that game is the grandfather of the SKATE series, just from Thrasher's existence and the simulator-esque controls and gameplay alone.
Your intro gives::: ""This is your brain."" ""This is your brain on DRUGS."" ""Any questions?"" >> Vibes... 😁
For SkateBirds, the plot sounds like something any corporate game developer would come up with.
Always a good day when we get a Beacon vid. Also a skate game I played when I was a kid was Rocket Power
You edited your comment and still spelled Bacon wrong
Kinda wanna see a video on Skate clones too. Really just so you can talk about the underrated gem that is Shaun White's skateboarding.
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This is such a good essay. IMO though one game that I think needs to be added to this, though not exactly a skateboarding game but very much in the same vein is Aggressive Inline by AKA Acclaim. It actually had changeable levels (like a mission where you knock over a light and cause some half-pipes to be "magically" added) long before Tony Hawk did and in fact did the open world roaming thing before the THPS series did. It also has an equally bitchin' soundtrack as well.
I believe its one of the hidden gems of that "EXTREME" era of the early 2000s. I'll admit, the physics can be a bit jank and there's A LOT of that Acclaim "We gotta be edgy"-ness to it. but I think its worth a visit. Even if just to check it out.
on the disney skateboarding game with just Max and Goofey, that frame rate looks about right, even if we only had the demo. Granted, we didn't have a very powerful PC(it only ran 98SE at best, and was built when 95 was still a thing) but don't remember the frame rate being all that much higher, if at all.
Sad that Grind Session came out too early to make the list.
The Backyard Sports games were so damn good and fun. Or at least the ones Humongous were involved with. Backyard Skateboarding isn't perfect or even their best game, but it's still really solid and I enjoyed going back to it.
Great video, it will be great to see a smash bros knockoff, there are some interesting games there
Man I loved Skatebird and remember the Simpsons Skateboarding.
TBP, after hearing your thoughts on Skatebird, id absolutely love to hear you do a review and analysis on Night in The Woods and Fall of Porcupine!
Both are fun charming indie titles that deal with themes, living ones life, and they're both relatively cheap!
It's still in Early Access but there's a game on Steam that's a roguelike skateboarding game that looks inspired by Tony Hawk. It's called Helskate and I haven't tried it yet.
Glad you didn't see Thrasher's Skate and Destroy. Skate and Destroy was the earliest realistic skateboarding simulator, imo. Also one of the best soundtracks of all time.
Based Linkin Park take.
Skatebird's pretty good all things considered. It also has a pretty neat original soundtrack coupled with some licensed music that you have to unlock.
Including We are the Union, so it's a thumbs up right there.
Disney Extreme had 2 bangers, Sell Out and Where’s Your Head At. Nothing like Ska Punk and House to really reach those kids.
Primitive to today’s KIDS standards. Not even all of them. I was born in 05 and didn’t play videogames until 09, but have always loved and appreciated the simplicity of older games. Simplicity brings re playability. It’s hard to re play these new games. I’ve replayed the Tony hawk games several times over the years. Even Project 8.
We need a phenix games tier list.
I just saw a short about that MGS2 skate mini game on Cultured Vultures. I directed them here.
22:16 that's either Fred Durst or Jonathan.
Skateboard Madness is basically Jonathan simulator
24:04 "occasionaly, when I jump off of a pipe, I won't stop spinning around in midair even though I'm not pressing any directional buttons"- Caddicarus, 2020
41:40 That sounds familiar... In the first three Tony Hawk games, silencing the common music plays the current level's ambience track until you play a different level. At least it isn't as ear-grating as the level-based music in Go Go Hypergrind and THPS2X's Club London level.
Lately, I made THPS2 and THPS3 music mods that replaced the ambience tracks for the levels in favor of carefully-chosen game music that fits the level appropriately, like using the Sonic Heroes Power Plant music in The Hangar and the Mega Man X4 Frost Walrus theme in Canada. I have yet to upload footage of the THPS2 music mods, but I already included a THPS3 Royalty-Free mix in my PlayStation and Xbox disc image files for the mods.
So here I am, doing everything I can. Holding on to what I am, pretending I'm Superman.
I remember convining my mom to buy my Sister and I Disney's Extreme Skate Adventure and then realized it sucked.
I remember a skateboarding game for ps1 and i cant remember its name. It was the funnest game of its type because you could crash and it would give you a damage calculation. So my friends and i would compete as to who could kill your skate boarder harder.
I would love you do this concept with Doom knock offs.
Saying Andy Mac has an objectively better resume than Tony Hawk is wild
**sees Phoenix Games logo**
**flashes back to Caddicarus reviews**
Is it or when I watched the skateboard madness xtreme edition it felt like the world was moving around the player and not the player moving in the world?
I bought mtv skateboarding at the swapmeet and it was the most frustrating skateboarding game ever, good soundtrack though lol
If Skate or Die wasn't your first favorite skateboarding video game then we can't be friends 😉
Your channel is my new favorite all of your content is top notch
A shame that Go Go Hypergrind costs $500 now. John K being outed as a predator has done nothing to diminish it's popularity.
Since I don’t know if we’ll ever see another THPS game in the future, someone really should make a tribute game. I’d love to make my own Tony Hawk-style game! My game would be like Tony Hawk’s 1-3 but have humanoid dinosaur characters! I’d make the visuals cartoony as Extreme Skate Adventure and Go Go Hypergrind did and I’d make my game for the Dreamcast, Nintendo 64… and Neo Geo Pocket!
You're telling me needing to be the one to fill your dark souk with light isn't culture? 😮
I was a big fan of street skater on PlayStation one!
Ok buddy, you’ve made enough wrestling comments. Give us a video about wrestling video games!
I don't really want to engage with wrestling beyond references. I don't want to deal with the toxicity that comes with having unpopular wrestling opinions. Like that recent thing with O'Shea Jackson Jr where he said something as controversial as "aew needs to tell me why I should care about their wrestlers instead of automatically expecting me to" and got dog piled like crazy. Dealing with that even by proximity is too much for me.
I like to see those characters in Disney Sports take on a Sonic Riders board
Anyone remember the game Grind Session for the PS1?
I demand a Pajama Sam series retrospective! Even if it's just for April fools.
It was my jam too!
I'm probably going to eventually do an entire historical retrospective on Humongous Entertainment, but if you want a specific Pajama Sam retrospective by me, you can find one on my old channel. The audio quality sucked but I think it's one of the few videos that still hold up from that channel.
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I expected Razor Freestyle Scooter, Aggressive Inline and The Rocket Power game on the PS1. Yeah sure. Different modes of tricks and transportation. But they have the same vibes and controls as Tony Hawk.
That x games skateboarding game holds a special place for me as it introduced me to Linkin Park lol
No mention of the Rocket Power games like Team Rocket Rescue and Beach Bandits :/ which, while the do contain more than jsut skateboarding, I think were Nickelodeon's attemp at the genre. Sadge... part 2? Great vid otherwise, was a good watch
Tht beginning with Simpsons hit in the gut
Welp another channel to sub to.
22:16 They're not all the same guy, but they do all have the same name between them all: Jonathan.
Besides, Thrasher S&D felt like the complete anti-thesis to THPS rather than a knockoff.. I loved it back then as much as i loved Session Skate Sim before Nacon took over and sucked every little bit of soul out of the project.
"what an idiot I am for my inability to predict that"
Where have I heard that one before? 🤔
Hj/
1:01:52 Unlike Yanya Callabista, the N64 controller doesn't force you to grow a third arm just to use it...but why the N64 controller never allows to use _all_ its buttons at any given moment is beyond me.
Oh no TBP! Too soon RIP Toys for Bob!😢
Didn't Toys for Bob get sent to the COD mines? Then make a liver service and somehow worse version of Crash Bash? I like what they did before but Activsion has not been kind.
They recently went independent
Surprised AirBlade wasn’t part of this video.
Go Toriyama!
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