Just Announced: The Origins of the Loyal Three!
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- Опубліковано 13 лип 2024
- In Pokemon Scarlet and Violet 'The Teal Mask,' Your New Adventures Will Take Place in the Land of Kitakami and Blueberry Academy! But what are these new Pokemon? What is Okidoki based on? What is Munkidori based on? What is Fezandipiti based on? and What is Ogerpon based on? Where is Kitakami? What is Kitakami based on? Why are these pokemon so Japanese in a region based on Spain and Portugal? So many questions!
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00:00 The Momotaro Pokemon!
04:02 Why The Teal Mask in Paldea?
06:11 Possible Reference?
Gnoggin, hosted by its creator Lockstin, is a show delving into the mysteries of Pokemon! (and other games sometimes too). Explaining everything there is to explain! Why is each Pokemon given the type it has? What are their origins? What is the lore of the Pokemon world and the design inspirations? And what does it all have to do with alchemy? Let's Go find out! - Ігри
Okie Doki, Hunki Dori and Sependipity I love that fact that each of the Heroes are named after words that mean Happiness in different ways
too bad they called the ogre 'ogerpon' i mean there is no way they didnt see what was wrong with that name lol
Serendipity is less happy and more good, unforseen fortune. Serendipity leads to happy by its nature though, so it still fits
@@gore6065 there isn’t
That name makes perfect sense and it fits what they are going for
Ur just being a cynical person
@Gore what's wrong with it?
@@belowpressure I’m not sure but I’m getting a general odd feeling from ‘pon’, well at least that’s what Gore thought.
While Ogrepon is most definitely the ogre, it’s topknot, the little sandal like leaves, plant theming, and child like appearance of it in the one promo art where it’s taking off the mask makes me think it might be both momotaro and the oni at the same time.
Like a child playing/pretending wearing a festival mask
What if the Paldean Florian and Juliana are the invading onis?
An interesting idea I heard was that the dog, bird and monkey Mon were actually bullies pretending to be heroes. Which would be super interesting to explain why Ogrepon doesn’t explicitly seems to be a villain, is still chased off by the trio but has an important role of some kind
Maybe its kind but is also shy, so it tries to look scarier by wearing a mask?
So, am I the only one who thinks Ogerpon looks like a bird? I don't know what exactly it's supposed look like, but there is a lack of distinct upper limbs, and it looks to me like it has wings and a beak. I'm unsure.
I can't help but feel that Ogerpon has Legend of Zelda vibes, especially its mask.
Odolwa!
Magora flash back
I will only ever see Skull Kid when I look at Ogerpon.
@@aratherbritishdinosaur I know his name is skull kid but it sounds weird
@@hussainalaiwi9270 Sounds weird?
My guy, my man, most of the main story of Scarlet and Violet is a Momotaro reference. Never mind the fact that it’s completely possible to build a team of new pokemon based on the story, the main character uses the power of food, makes three friends, and goes with said three friends to an isolated location that serves as the base for the antagonist group of dangerous and supernatural monsters where they meet the leader and do battle with him/her.
Huh didn't think of it that way. I like that Arven is basically the protagonist of this story.
@@sketch-eee4165 I will happily be a side character in Arven Adventure
Hm, interesting interpretation.
Sounds extremely generic
@@nochancewithoutpasta7637 I know the original, I read it as a child. I’m talking about trying to use such a generic tape and apply it to Pokémon.
The fact that they were announced after donbrothers ended makes me extremely happy.
The festival continues my friend ahahahahaha
DON DON DONBROTHERS, DON DON DONBURA GOING
The super sentai like masks seen in the trailer with the monkey having a visor like shinken blue is giving my sentai heart good feelings about this dlc
Throw in infernape for doragoku and I guess garchomp for donmarusame and you can have the whole team (excluding sonoi, sononi and sonoza)
Had me feeling very Okidogi, that the Don Brain gets to continue in a sense
Y’know I really like how the new Pokémon for teal mask are based off Momotaro and that gamefreak announced it a day after the final episode of avataro Sentai Donbrothers so I already made a box specifically for them and named it donbrothers
Nice.
Maturi da! Matsuri da!
Let the festivities begin my comrades!
DON DON- DON-BROTHERS-! DON DON- DON-BURA GOING!- DON DON- DON BROTHERS-!
(Edit: Got the Lyrics Wrong)
@@lancebird6675 the only problem is that Ogrepon is definitely either gonna be a fusion of Momotaro and and oni or just the oni which means either way it’s down one member.
6:27 Sliding in a Bill Wurtz reference is peak script writing
Came here to mention that and happy to see at least a couple people noticed!
If thro and sawk are based off of creatures in the tale do you’ll think we’ll see paradox versions in the dlc
I kinda don't got how we're supposed to discover something within or fron Area Zero by going to places far from Area Zero. But maybe it's part of the paradox? Like how the paradox Pokémon were supposedly summoned by the time machine yet the Scarlet/Violet book describes how explorers wittnessed them in their expeditions.
Or ar least, they will show up in the dlc or get a form variant.
Actual Oni looking Sawk & Throw would be awesome.
or y'know regional forms, remember that? we only got 2 (well 4 cuz tauros got 3 breeds) from the base game, could get more in DLC, or the Convergent Pokemon, the new thing the introduced in gen 9, which also we got only 4, y'know it could be those 2, just saying
Jesse's we need it
Actually, the "Pon" in "Orgepon" is actually related to the fruit "Ponkan", an unbelievably sweet tangerine. Given how all of the cover legendaries in Gen 9 are fruit-based (Koraidon is a blood orange, Miraidon is grape, Orgepon is a ponkan, and Terapagos is a blueberry) it makes perfect sense.
It reflects harder when you look at the Japanese and Chinese names.
6:26 Was... Was that a Bill Wurtz reference?
I think it was!
It indeed was
I can't wait for you to do the folktale of the turtle where a fisherman saves it from bullying and then a bigger turtle comes to invite the fisherman to the dragon palace. But also has everyone realise Orgepon eyes are yellow and it matches the star bits on the area zero logo patch and the turtle is blue. There is also two more colors red and green I wonder what legends there going to be.
Yeah, you can't say it's the box legends since violet just becomes green if you do that.
The problem is the map image you showed is for part 2. Part 1/2 take place in different areas. That island could totally be the location for part 2, however I think the Galápagos Islands are also likely to be the location given Terapago’s name and it being a turtle. The Galapagos were also owned by Spain until the 1800s
Part 2 area can't be too far away from the Part 1 area given that the xenophobe goes to school there
Doesn't the 2nd DLC take place on the ocean on a floating island of sorts? I could be wrong as I haven't looked into it that much but I'm sure there was a description about it mostly being underwater.
@@ArtzyZero I think that will be the school/battle/event area but I doubt that the dlc will take place entirely there
@@jaykera The website says it's the school but I feel like if there's another area for the 2nd DLC it'll be connected to, if not directly in, Area Zero rather than being a brand new island.
To be perfectly blunt about it, I find it hard to believe Game Freak could handle two/three brand new separate islands considering the state of the game and their tight deadlines. I feel they'll cut corners in any way they can, even if they'd rather not. (I'd love to be proven wrong of course.)
@@ArtzyZero I agree I feel like DLC 1 is going to be in sinjoh primarily as a business decision to get hisuian mon into the pokemon box ecosystem so it'll likely be a fairly large area. Leaving dlc 2 to be a more focused dlc that hints finishes the story of paldea and hints toward a future title (doesn't have to be the next gen but with the suspicious missing pokemon on the dlc 2 splash art I feel like there's something important there)
Kitakami is also an actual city residing in the Tohoku region, which is just to the south of Hokkaido and northeast of the real-world Kanto, so the school field trip may have us also encountering folks from Johto, Kanto, & Sinnoh
And they are also known for a festival that involves oni, masks, and sword dances.
tohoak pokemon vega real???
Maybe even Hoenn also. Hoenn is based on Kyushu; I can see in the future a ferry that can allow travel between Hoenn and Johto. Kitakami may end up being the name of the region that is the analog of Tohoku and therefore in between Kanto and Sinnoh.
I have a feeling that the "pon" part Ogrepon's name isn't just another word for cute (which it is under the mask) or a light bonk noise, but itself is indeed a pawn in the DLC, the real baddie is the mask itself.
*Underneath that mask lies a sad, guilty, & scared Pokémon who just wanted to stop being afraid of everything because some bully kids & wild Pokémon used to torment the poor thing with scary pranks.
It thought that wearing the cursed/enchabted mask would make it more intimating to it's bullies, only to have it backfire & the mask starts to take control of Ogrepon against its own will.
Sounds like Skull Kid with extra steps
So, Majora's Mask?
remember the people making this gen also made a literal kamen rider bug so an entire dlc based on majoras mask doesn’t seem far fetched
@@Internextion
The Kamen Rider bug makes perfect sense since Pokemon was literally inspired by tokusatsu, if anything it is a surprise that it took them so long to do it cuz Kamen Rider is pretty big in Japan
@@jvbon646 Naming mine Majora
Momotaro Desetsu finally being referenced in Pokemon is awesome! The tale has been referenced in many other animes including Maid Sama when Misa is the boy in the tale and the 3 idiots being the Dog,Monkey,and Pheasant.
Love the Bill Wurtz reference at the end LMAOO
Also very hyped for this dlc
Literally the day before the presents Avataro Sentai Donbrothers finished airing in Japan
It's a super Sentai season that I adore
And i was quite sad that it was over but seeing this makes me happy and i can't wait to name all of these pokemon after the rangers
@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: I can’t wait, either. Also, I would nickname them:
Pecharunt: FloatingDownPeach.
Monkidori: BrawnyOoh-Ooh-Ah-Ah!
Okidogi: WonderfulBark.
Fezandipiti: TrickyBird.
Ogerpon: GiveAnIronSpikedClubToAnOni.
Garchomp: SorryToCutThrough.
Infernape: FirstClassDragon.
Incineroar (in his Shiny colors): ExtraTiger.
Okidogi’s Japanese name is いいね犬. iine basically means “it’s good isn’t it” which which is fun wordplay to go with inu (dog). ii ne inu.
I still can’t believe that Pokémon announced Pokémon based on the Momotaro story, like a day after Donbrothers, a Super Sentai show with characters based on the same story, ended.
@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Neither can I, even after Pecharunt got added, he represents Don Momotaro, and the fact that Garchomp already exists, that Mon can be interpreted as representing Don Murasame, not to mention Infernape, Don Dragoku, and a Shiny Incineroar, Don Torabolt.
Momotaro themed Super Sentai just finished last week and then Pokemon reveals Momotaro stuff.
What a coincidence.
@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Agreed, even though it might be no coincidence, especially since three more Donbrothers, four, if you count both of Jiro Momotani’s Ranger forms as two separate characters, have Pokemon counterparts, now. Those are Don Momotaro (Pecharunt), Don Murasame (Garchomp), and Don Dragoku (Infernape), also, Don Torabolt (Shiny Incineroar.
As someone with an MA in Asian Studies, I love that Pokemon has been doing these Japanese and Chinese historical tie-ins with regions based on European countries.
I made the following connections:
Kitakami > Tohoku > Sendai > Date Masamune > envoy to Spain > good Spain/Japan relations.
6:27
That reference from history of Japan.
Love it. Love this video.
Learned a lot more then expected.
Thank you, lockstin
Yep, love Bill Wurtz's history videos.
I'm gonna nickname them all after the Avataro Don Brothers
So, you're nicknaming Ogerpon OniSister?
@@michaeldaniels642 you kinda have to since the momotaro stand-in in this is a human like in the original tale
@@digidrveKJ @MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Great, and, it is also fitting, as Don Momotaro is the only one of the five core Donbrothers to not use any CGI in his suit at all. Actually, we now have Pecharunt for Don Momotaro, and, also, Garchomp for Don Murasame, not to mention, Infernape for Don Dragoku. Also, Shiny Incineroar for Don Torabolt.
I bet this is related to the avataro sentai donbrothers super sentai season. Considering it just finished airing, and got a lot of attention for how weird it is, the timing is perfect.
Definitely but it’s interesting that they only made 4 members for this and made Momotaro a human. Like it makes sense for the original context but having a 5th member would’ve been nice
@@digidrveKJ @MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Great, and it is also fitting, as Taro Momoi/Don Momotaro is the only member of the five main Donbrothers to not use CGI in his suit at all. Actually, we have Pecharunt for Don Momotaro, and, also Garchomp for Don Murasame, not to mention, Don Dragoku gets represented in Infernape, and Shiny Incineroar represents Don Torabolt.
Hey Lock! You should do a video on the four Ruin Pokemon. Maybe go into how they (and the professor inside the caldera) represent what happens if you go to far in your hunt for treasure "Enter stranger but take heed, of what awaits the sin of greed"
4:38 Was it ever confirmed that Blueberry Academy was also located in Kitakami? I can see the area for the Indigo Disk being based on Majorca, but the trailer made it imply that Kitakami was a new area entirely since they said it’s located beyond the Paldea region
Same. Especially since Kitakami comes from North (In Japanese (Kita can mean north) and in the names it has in other languages. So it is either the Northeast area or based on Northern Honshu (the big island that Johto and Kanto's inspirations are from).
It's not; Blueberry Academy is in Unova.
The Super Sentai masks inspired on the new trio is amazing and I want more Super Sentai Pokemon. Wonder if there is a legend of them being heroes in the game.
And the most recent Sentai being based off Momotaro too
So we got this, Lokix...
@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: No, unfortunately, there is not. If you played through The Teal Mask, spoiler warning, you will find that The Loyal Three were the villains the whole time, which is why, at the end of the DLC, they are referred to as The “Loyal” Three, or The Lousy Three.
What I'm curious about is why the 3 new Pokemon look pretty sinister/dark... what's notable is in the festival scene, we see those sentai-style masks of the 3 of them, so I wonder if they might have alternate forms of their real hero selves (and the current forms are due to the influence of Ogrepon)?
Great Video as always. I saw the Inspiration too, but could never produce smth so highquality and do it that fast. Keep bringing the good stuff!
Love the Bill Wurtz reference
I thought that small map in the trailer map looked a lot like the region around Rotterdam, the Netherlands. Since the Netherlands has a history with both Spain and Japan, I think it's still possible that part 2 of the DLC will be partially based on Holland. I also noticed that some of the new characters are wearing red, white and blue clothing, but I am probably grasping at straws there. there also is a lot of water
Dutch pokemon region when?!
@@nochancewithoutpasta7637 Denmark?
It’s Mallorca
you've really been doing a good job seamlessly linking out to older videos ☆
I already loved the designs of the three Warrior Pokemon; they feel so stylized and unique. But to know they're designs are based off of clothing makes me love them so much more!!!
I'm so curious about the story of the Teal Mask. It feels like Indigo Disc corolates with the story of Terastalizing, but the Teal Mask may have a new story to tell
Ogrepon's mask has some crystals with the Tera texture on it, so there has to be some Area Zero info linked to it
Ogerpon is probably my favorite of the Pokémon revealed in the dlc, it just looks so smooth and happy
This video is exactly why I’ve been sub for so long I’ve genuinely learned so much from you it’s amazing 🤩 thanks for everything you’ve done for us ❤❤❤
The first thing I thought when I saw the Pokémon’s post was “I hope lockstin makes a video about this,” and boy am I glad you did !
Honestly, if Sawk and Throh is ever coming back, NOW would be the best time. Perhaps as 'lesser Oni' for you to battle and catch as some sort of initiation.
Hey maybe this was obvious but I just realized that if the 3 starters and the 3 new funky animals are based on celebrations it might be they chose that because they celebrated over 1000 pokemon recently
You are the only other person I know who got the Momotaro reference! Thank you!
I've been WAITING long enough and MUST speak: I need that 1 hour video explaining the whole of Gen9 pokemon roster because outtta all the gens in Pokemon, this one is one of those that needs the most help with backstories and concepts! So PLEASE make the video Lockstin...? Please...? Gotta explain em all!
I actually have a lot of nostalgia for Momotaro surprisingly enough, mainly from being read the story in Japanese class and also the Amada Mario Anime Series’ adaptation of the story. So seeing what the DLC entailed is a pleasant surprise.
Regarding DLC, I wouldn’t mind having no new game next year if it meant we got more content updates. Especially if Legends Arceus and BDSP got them.
Okidogi looks like the Gruntilda skin for Banjo & Kazooie in Smash Bros.
Can't unsee it now.
5:25 Samurai Shodown taught me about Dejima, with the fifth game giving Charlotte her own stage set on the island. The official soundtrack even refers to the visitors of the island as Nanban, or "Southern Barbarians."
Had to come back and rewatch this after playing the epilogue. Great explanation and hoping to see a follow up, now that everything's been released.
I cannot believe it didnt click that the three Pokemon were the animals from Momotaro. Im even more excited for the DLC now
what kinda name is lockstin anyway, man’s locking himself behind his bedroom door pacing and scared
Well thanks to this. I can now see where the first DLC is based on as in how were getting a Japanese themed area but also be connected to Paldea in some way. Which makes a lot of sense when you think about it.
Im so much impressed by your video quality. One can realy feel how much effort you put in your work. Very interessting one as well :)
Leave Ttar alone
I love okidogi
Greater dog
Finally get a Shiba dog in Pokémon.
👌🐶
Loved the Iceman image you used when talking about Carmine. I recognised it instantly
I’d love to see a video on either the Golisopod line or the Baxcalibur line. Both Pokémon are one of my personal favorites
#JusticeForTtar
You know what you did.
Fezendipity also gives me strong shrine maiden vibes
I don't know if someone has mentioned this, but I find it very interesting that the Ancient Greek word for mask is "prosopon", which rhymes quite well with the name of a certain soon to appear masked pokemon.
I think the lanterns might hint to there typings. On the right side of the teal mask image. Under the grass type is psychic, under fire is fairy, and water is ghost. The typings on the left seem to be shifted but are still in the same column with poison, fighting, and I think steel being the Tera type of the mask
If only we had known the true natures sooner.
I want him to do a follow up video once their boss is officially released
look people not perfect hell I'm not, T-tar get hate like he said for no reason, just help out even the tiniest bit, watch both you and T-tar and made me happy just sad how T-tar getting hate, even if you mess up try to fix this, its not right
Can’t wait to learn more about Terapagos.
Oh man we NEED an update to this given some of the Indigo Disk datamining and speculation going on regarding the Loyal Three potentially having a boss they answer to...
They finally added Mojo Jojo into Pokémon
“I have matured” “sorry I guess” “I don’t have any friends”
Hey kid, for the love of gosh stop spamming. You’re not only making yourself look childish and pathetic, but you’re also HARMING Ttar’s name.
@@theratifier7669 Dude this is the internet and you have no control over my actions so feel free to cry about it
#JusticeForTtar
@@theratifier7669 love it how you only replied to him, there are more people than him spamming, but like he said it’s the internet can’t really doing anything.
@@KrimzonCasper like how you're crying about this overly exaggerated "drama"?😭
Hey, Lockstin. There's a live action promo that shows the Teal mythicals with masks resembling those ones used in shows like Power Rangers. So maybe they will have an alternate form we will use for a fight with a giant Ogrepon.
It also could be a reference to Avataro Sentai Don Brothers. Especially the way the visors look in the live action segement.
@@GalacticFlare @MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Agreed. Also, the visors on The Donbrothers’ suits, called Avataro Skins, are meant to resemble sunglasses, because their main power source are the glasses, and The Avatar Data stored in the Avataro Gears.
Thanks for sharing! This lore got me looking more forward for the DLC!
Here's a wild guess on the heroes' types:
- Okidogi: Fairy/Fighting
- Munkidori: Fairy/Psychic
- Fezandipiti: Fairy/Flying
And a wilder guess on Ogerpon: it's currently being violent because of the influence of its Terastal-studded mask, and the three heroes want to save it.
ayo, what you did to ttar is foul
hope u drop below 1M subscribers tomorrow completely undeserved
Dude great video! I immediately thought oo Summer Festival time when I saw the Pokémon day DLC release video.
So basically, instead of pillaging the villaging, it just sneaks into everyone’s house and sets their clocks back 30 minutes so everyone is late to work at once and has to decide whether anyone is actually late or not
Talk about clickbait, remember when u put literal rule 34 in your thumbnails??
He actually did that?
@@michaelrhett4958 yep there’s three vids of his that have rule34 in the thumbnail and throughout the video
@@sugarclowns … Wow
Before I saw their names, I thought Fezandipiti and Okidogi were like, DLC alternate variants of Quaquaval and Meowscarada. I was SUPER confused when I saw Munkidori, and also super confused as to why we would immediately get variants of the newest starters, that felt like it'd be a bit much, even if it was exciting.
So we can say that you were super confused😂😂
The knotted band around munkidori's head is similar to the ones worn by stall workers and mikoshi during festivals instead of a hachimaki.
I didn't even realise that the teal mask dlc is set inside paldea! But does make sense. But blueberry is surely outside of paldea 'cause I thought I heard something like "it's nice to explore outside of Paldea so you will see a lot of other pokémon, you can't catch in Paldea"
Damn. You fighting TTar reminds me of the good old days when Giancarlo Parimango and TTar were in drama during the Pokémon Omega Ruby and Alpha Sapphire era. 😂
You know, now that I think about it food brings us together, like tempura came from the Portuguese and i believe technology advances too for Japan. Is it referencing that which Japan likes the treasures. I feel like this Momotaro story is going to be very different and see the Oni side like a twist to the tale are a perspective. People just wanted treasures and no real connections.
Okay but did the music need to go so hard this video. I kept havin to replay what u said bc i was getting distracted dancing 😂😂😂
I was thinking momotaro too! Glad to see it here! My dad used to tell me that story when I was little
“i believe I have matured” bruh it’s been 8 hours 😀
ya dumb**s can't even listen. He meant he matured since 2013. If you weren't meat gobbling ttar so hard you'd actually listen to what he's saying.
ttar fr using fire blast on u 😂
The history is so interesting! Can’t wait for your Indigo Disk analysis!
I was watching this video with my partner and made the "Open the country. Stop having it be closed" reference just before you did!! Then when you made it, I was excitedly pointing at the TV!! Lol
TTar Goated
Why did I partially think they were going to turn the story backwards for this?
Ogerpon looks like a green apple too. And if you look at the trailer for DLC they show apple trees when the character arrives at Kitakami. Could be the case since the new school is called Blueberry which is where we will learn about Terapagos (who is also blue). Orange, Grapes, Blueberries, and Apples. Hmmm 🤔
My guess is the theme for Teal Mask is that the land of Kitakami is a bountiful land full of goods and green which will tie in with the Forces of Nature together with Enamorous.
Back off Ttar. He's the most chill Poketuber. Leave him out of your need for drama.
Anyone who watches Sentai and latest incarnation, Donbrothers, knows about Momotaro :)
@MORISAKI WIN OFFICIAL be like: Exactly, my friend. Also, most people in The United States would know about Momotaro from an episode of the animated series “Super Why” about the story of Momotaro, and, by extension, those people who watched the episode would also understand the plot of Donbrothers itself.
I don’t see anyone mention this but that “scarf” on Okidogi looks a lot like a chain. Pkidogi might have a menacing appearance but could be a happy and really excitable dog that needs to be on a leash in order to not accidentally knock someone over. Just something I was thinking. CANT WAIT FOR THIS DLC
I laughed out loud at the "history of the entire world I guess" reference! Nice one to sneak in there!
no friends for lockstin
You beefing!?? Whats the tea!
I immediately noticed the Momotaro reference as well, but other than that, they look like they might share the Starter Pokémon typing as well.
at first i wasn’t that impressed with the new dlc pokemon, but now knowing their origins, i kinda love em
It would be cool if you updated this
You should remake this video
6:27 I can't believe Lockstin made a History of the Entire World reference this was so funny
That makes a lot of sense... didnt know it.
The one thing i knew about spain and japan been related is that they really liked flamenco... you can hear the influence in many media, such as films and videogames.
bro where’s the apology that matters?
Why are you attacking T-Tar? He hasn't click-baited in *years.* That was extremely childish. You shouldn't be making drama for no reason. Are you going to become the next Creepshow Art?
I find it weird that they would do 2 games bassed on the same place/region (I am talking about the Fiore region wich some of the community place in the irl location of kitakami)
Been waiting for you to upload