Killzone 2 Proves Graphics Matter More than Gameplay
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- Опубліковано 4 жов 2024
- Aww Hell, the Ghasts are back and they wanna shoot you a lot this time! Good thing they can't see anything cuz of the glowing red LEDs they put in their goggles.
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A rare instance of a game looking better than I remember it looking
honestly yeah lol. at first i thought oboe was adding commentary over that fake gameplay trailer for this game as like a satirical video, but it was actually the game
Achievement Unlocked : " BETTER THAN YOU REMEMBER "
That's the result of having talented artists and a black magic wizard as an engine programmer.
Graphics dont matter without good enjoyable gameplay
Same happened when I replayed HALO 2
When people say “Input lag makes it more realistic”
Im sorry, If in real life, you have a delay between moving your arms and the mental decision to move your arms then I am very concerned for your well being
hahahaah imagine the struggle when peeing.
You might want to check all the new resident evil remakes then. They all have a ton of input lag on purpose to make it seem weighty to the point it feels like you are underwater. Could you be less pretentious chief? It's weird
Also that made no sense.
Console players be like
@@johndodo2062 it did having a mental delay in your actions is reason to see a doctor, that's also not very good in resident Evil but at least they are horror titles
every time a villain goes on their long winded monologue I'm always amazed that the main character doesn't just shoot them not even to stop the bad guys plan or anything but just to shut them up
Same with me and TV shows and movies, all that time wasted on a story of their father teaching them a "valuable lesson" could be used up with some good pew, pew pew instead
Except Wolfenstein Bj straights up kills them in their rants sometimes and DOOMSLAYER also kills the hell priest’s mid sentence
Ya but in this case they weren't supposed to kill Scolar Visari, only arrest him. Now Rico made a martyr of him & FUKT it all up
"If you're going to shoot,shoot. Don't talk."
Yeah except in Killzone 2 keeping the bad guy alive was the goal of the whole invasion and a very good idea. Rico is a massive idiot
I love how, as a joke, Oboe 100% hit the nail on the head about Garza's death. It's this big overly bombastic heroic death (effectiveness varies based on person) that quickly turns to just a numbered coffin pushed in the corner by an exhausted orderly. The hundred npc allies who died before that probably would have also had a heroic bombastic death, but they mean nothing to the main characters, it doesn't matter to us. We are the orderly in other people's story.
So hats off to you Oboe for actually understanding the games you play! (I had to have it explained to me 😅)
Oboe seems to be pretty smart, either that or just very good at detecting cliches.
@@dwagin6315
Or he's just mocking everything for the sake of it. Very strongly seems like it. Like how much backstory do you need? You have 3 friends, your battle brothers, and the one non-asshole friend dies moments before help arrives. That is pretty sad as is. Like honestly, did he play only certain parts of the game or what? Garza isn't some dude who appears once or twice, he's always with you.
@@steelbear2063 It's just a game. Breathe.
Lmao no. His shtick is that he never shit ups, talks throughout the entire video with 500 words per second and shits on every single game that isn't an Xbox exclusive or halo.
@@kato093 Sucks being on the other end of it for once, huh?
Say what you want, this game slaps so hard. The fight with Radec is a nightmare on anything past normal difficulty. I always cheased it with the flamethrower because it prevents him from teleporting and stunlocks him in a burning animation where you can knife him for huge dps. If you dont do it the fight itself can take something like 20 minutes on Elite difficulty.
Facts battle brother
Yeah I was fighting him on Normal and decided like an idiot to do so thirty minutes before I had to leave for high-school. Made it right when Dad showed up lmao. Was like five minutes late but it was worth it.
The multiplayer was quite unique and flat out awesome, cinematic as fuck with some of the greatest melee animations in FPS history 👌
@@CommanderLongJohn Even with the constant spawn camping, it honestly felt like a real war.
@@CommanderLongJohn Agreed, wish they would make another Killzone (preferably with a Helghast campaign) but Guerilla Games is busy with Horizon and I don't know if they even have another entry planned after Shadow Fall flopped.
You know where gameplay matters more than graphics? In Mercenaries 2 world in flames made by pandemic studios!
I remember having that game.
I remember absolutely nothing about the game itself.
goofy ahh game with cheesy one liners, laughably bad stroy and a lot of chaos (actually fun game)
@@IDelticYou got pissed off because you got shot in the ass. Was pretty good. Bit buggy from my memory, but still fun.
It also has an almost painfully goofy yet somehow fun song in "Oh No You Didn't"
@@darwinism8181 Main reason that I remember the game.
The thing I never understood is this game is set on Hellgan, yet the hellghasts still wear their special breathing masks. But the good guy faction can land on the planet and breathe fine without any special breathing aparatus
I thought the whole point of the hellghast armor is its meant to simulate the hellgan atmosphere so they can breathe properly off their planet, but the environment of their planet is too toxic for non-hellghasts to breathe on
I think its a long term thing by what the first game intro suggests. Like it took some time for them to not be human anymore.
They look cool and it might keep you from getting your head blown off if you're lucky.
@@AlanTheBest97 the masks double as face and CBRN protection as well as adding an intimidation factor
There used to be a website with an official timeline for the Killzone games. Basically Helghan used to be toxic to humans but after a few decades of terraforming and medical applications it became more hospitable. By that time however the fascist government had adapted the gas masks of the first generation colonists into a nationalist symbol.
One of the biggest and weirdest issues with the Killzone franchise was that despite having a deep, rich, and pretty well written lore-- Guerilla Games just couldn't seem to figure out how to integrate and represent said lore into the games themselves for whatever reason.
For example: Helghan's gravity is 2 times heavier than that of Earth's or Vekta's and that's why Helghast are physically stronger and have better stamina than normal humans.
And yet for some reason ISA humans in the game are able to land and walk around on Helgan just fine without any special exoskeleton-like frames to help them deal with the intense gravity.
I haven't played much of the Horizon games but I hear that the whole "Lore vs. game" issue is a thing with those games as well.
The Multiplayer was amazing. Also your sidearm is a Desert Eagle revolver, really cool.
Sad he couldn't try it, I remember sinking a lot of time into it. The different classes and multi stage game modes were so good.
You had to unlock that bitch by getting x amounts of kills with the other pistol for 8 games or so. If you didn't get enough kills that game with the pistol it wouldn't count towards challenge, which became increasingly more difficult when "日本選手" joined the game.
I never managed to get the revolver in the end lol.
Killzone 2 and 3 were the only online FPS games I ever enjoyed
Yes you had to get ribbons I remember now. Those were the most annoying thing when starting a new profile
I had the trophy for being ranked in the top 1% online in KZ2. Definitely one of my favourite games, sad it's gone 😢
Fun fact: the Killzone 2 servers have been semi revived by the community. There are 2 community servers!
Psone
Can you still get trophies
@@jaysony8587 single player
@@jaysony8587 yeah one server allows you to get some MP trophies.
@@HarraYT i’ll get flagged on PSN tho huh
Love this game. Play it everytime I visit my dad since he has the old PS3 in his living room. Yeah the controls kinda suck but what I love about it is the grittyness and WW2 inspirered aesthetic combined with the sci-fi. I love how the spaceships are just these weird flying freight ships that look nothing like conventional spaceships and that the ground combat is basically just contemporary warfare despite the sci-fi setting. The small arms could easily exist today.
I like how the recoil is quiet aggressive because it forces you to close the distance, from which various tactical decision open up to you. Should I throw potshot from behind cover or risk it to get a better shot by moving closer. The knife instantly kills normal enemies, so if you knew what you where doing you could exploit openings and rampage through enemies with a combination of melee and relentless gun fire, moving from cover to cover.
the killzone series deserves far more recognition, its legendary.
Yeah, I mean, where else you gonna find games about gallant heroic muricans shooting dirty no-good space miners who want human rights and crap? Wooooo!
Killzone series is meh.
@@poncho828nope, it is pretty good.
it's honestly unbelievable how good this game looks
God of War 3 is another that holds up insanely well in the visual department. It’s a shame only a handful of games used the PS3’s full potential, but that’s what happens when design your processor to be some sort of weird supercomputer instead of strictly for game development. The Air Force actually uses a couple thousand PS3s as some sort of anti air defense array, so clearly Sony wasn’t lying about what it could do lol
Metal Gear Solid 4 still holds up really well also
Killzone 2 was the only game to give me motion sickness before VR games were a thing. The combination of low framerate, narrow FoV, horrific input delay, and constant screen wobble from walking, reloading and environmental effects made me put the game down for days at a time.
And no, the input delay wasn't a technical limitation, because when you play the online PvP there's NO INPUT DELAY! Only in Campaign mode!
EDIT: My mistake, I was thinking of Killzone 3's multiplayer that got rid of the input delay. Killzone 2 multiplayer is as chonky as ever.
I noticed that it wasn't actually input delay but a poorly implemented attempt at inertia. They were doing everything in their power to make it look cinematic at the expense of gameplay.
Mirrors Edge for me.
@@nathandts3401 parkour on top of building will do that to you
@@dvdbox360 I have memory of an article or a video that discussed how it was a much bigger problem. The reticle is literally only there to give people something to focus on after they kept getting sick.
I got motion sickness when initially played the first Rage, but I got over it after the first hour or two
Before watching this : I hope there's no Killzone 2 slander. Game's amazing
And there was, god damn it
Yeah what’s with this trend of dunking on killzone? I see those videos all the time, and it’s mostly unfair criticism, either comparing them to modern games or “but halo”.
Best fps mp ever made
@@italianspiderman5012 They’re mid at best, that’s why. That said, I recall enjoying 3 quite a bit
its fine, there's retrospect and nostalgia.
"I didn't even get a courtesy sound effect for that one."
in fairness a lot of people never hear the shot that kills then.
As a graduate of The Academy, I can personally confirm that those shantytowns were hovels of indecency that needed to be razed.
I just wish that my moonshine still hadn't been blown up, in the process.
Agreed shantytown booze is pretty great
Super telling about how memorable and great the protagonists in this game are when you don't even remember that Templar was one of the main playable characters from Killzone 1 lmao.
I remember, but c'mon. We all know the Helghast were the true face, uh mask, of this franchise. Should've gotten a game from their perspective.
@@Gruntvc agreed completely. They were so much more interesting
Thats actually a really cool loading screen gimmick. Give us holo cards to tilt and twist in more PS games. Namely card games but I'm not picky.
Crisis 2 had this feature as well! Also, 7th gen as fuck shooter.
glad to hear you play games with your blinds closed like a true gamer
Thats the only way to play
Can’t imagine someone playing with them open hahaha. Even watching tv. My neighbor never closes his blinds and it’s so strange seeing him watch TV without a care in the world
@@Shiestey What means? "Blinds closed". Blind is a guy that cannot see. Iam learning english, pleas3 help. And closed its the opposite of open, its a closed guy that cannot see? 😮
@@Shiestey blinds is another word for the drapes or the plastic things that go on ur window that u can open or close during the day and close at night
My powers been out for 24+ hours so I plugged my phone into a drill battery to watch this
Respect
Oboe better play Killzone 3 with the PS Move controls (the default controls when you load it up who thought this was a good idea???)
I don't think we'll ever see a video game franchise where the upgrade in graphics between the sequel and its predecessor are as drastically transformative as the transition between Killzone 1 on PS2 and Killzone 2 on PS3.
"Who the heck is this guy" 5:51 Its literally the main character from the first game LOL
It shows that he has not played the first part
@@JoelPezzini he played the first one right before this one LOL
@@LemThurdy420 But that shows his disinterest in the saga
I played this recently on an HD CRT tv recently and my mind was so blown, the colors are so vivid and the CRT forgives the blurriness while still being hdmi HD
That sounds like a perfect fit, dark images look so good on CRT
I was 58th rank in the world on Killzone 2. Played on an HD CRT projector with HD Fury HDMI adapter. 100% agree with you, motion blur worked perfectly with the 30fps. The green tube failed, and I didn't know how or afford to fix it, so it got binned :(.
Killzone 2 was visually mind-blowing when it came out and still looks great today. Loved the heavy and slow gameplay as well. Atmosphere and missions were all great. The only negative was the forgettable and somewhat annoying main characters.
I would buy a remaster in a heartbeat.
Of all the games I played on PS3 back in the day, this was one of my favorites, surprised you didn't include anything about the opening cinematic which really set the tone for the whole game.
Couldn’t complain about it, that’s why.
this game is soo good. we need killzone 4
But we did get it. Kill Zone Shadowfall was a launch title for the ps4. And it was terrible
We need killzone 2²
@@mitchboland9591 i said killzone 4
@@gabrielsantosbastos5257 That's what he said though...
I freakin' loved this game. This is a supreme single player FPS campaign.
The best part about watching Killzone 2 was when you reminded me how much I enjoyed Rainbow Six Vegas
Vegas 2
Still my favorite of the franchise. Wish we'd get another FPS meaty, gritty, and weighty like Killzone 2. 3 has great melee kill animations though.
Also, frak you Rico. The real villain of the Killzone Trilogy.
Whenever i got tired of hearing about my friends 360 at school i would make sure we played killzone 2 before football practice so everyone was talking about that instead.
Such a underrated series. God, bring us back a new Killzone game please!
Man, I love Killzone 2 and 3.
they expected you to take more than 20 minutes to kill General Badguy because of the 10 minutes of input lag.
Ironically if you hear a sniper rifle on real life the gunshot happens at the same time as the bullet impact because of how fast the bullet travels. So realistically you wouldn’t hear the gunshot until you’d been hit by the bullet!
Colonel Radec was my favorite playable character in the hit video game PlayStation™ All Stars Battle Royale© for the PlayStation™ 3® System©.
lol It was so weird watching this after the Season 4 premier of Succession, considering Visari is voiced by Brian Cox
If Killzone 2 had Killzone 3's tighter shooting controls it would be a lot more fun to play. I still think KZ2 is the best in the series though.
Killzone 3 actually has tighter and more responsive controls than Killzone 2 though?
@@NoExplosionsMcgee It does. There's still some input lag but you're a lot more mobile and responsive than KZ2's heavy feeling.
I remember the developer specifically saying that this had the best graphics ever in a game when launched, with the most advanced ray tracing that could not be replicated even on PC 🧐
Man this game really nailed the presentation.
Guerrilla Games always have amazing graphics and middling gameplay
They're great artists but shit game designers honestly. All their games are pretty creatively bankrupt when it comes to gameplay mechanics. They've gotten better with time but I still don't like their games.
The multiplayer was pretty fun in killzone 2 and killzone 3 multiplayer was also decent. I have fond memories of the second games multiplayer though!
Oh wow I never knew Brian cox voiced visari now I can’t help but imagine Logan Roy leading the helghast
Better hope that no one from Northfolk Southern Railroad see this or they'll purposefully derail a train just to get to you, lol.
Killzone 2 was basically "How can we use every gimmick of the PS3 while also making a pretty competent first person shooter?"
And goodness was it fun
Also doesn't the multiplayer have bot matches so you could play that way?
It was excellent, not competent.
I had the exact same complaint about the input lag with the controls, and its annoying to me how fans ignore it or excuse it.
That game done right is called Titanfall 2, which is coincidently Gundam done right too...
Also Killzone 2´s multiplayer was a real revolution for console online gaming
Multiplayer runs at 60fps without input lag. You can still try it with bots.
That's also the difference between this generation and the one before, a lot of stuff we had took itself seriously, right down to the jokes. They were mature jokes, not silly jokes a teenager would say. But these days, everyone wants Marvel Cinematic Universe levels of funny sprinkled in every corner of the galaxy. That's how stupid things come out. Leave the jokes and crap to the community where memes and the like grow rampant.
2:38 YOU GET IT, YOU GET IT!!
TRAINS IN VIDEOGAMES ARE BEAUTIFUL AND A BLAST TO PLAY
the multiplayer for this game was so fun
My brain broke when I heard Brian Cox as that guy at the end lol
Instantly recognizable voice
"I joined to pay off my student loan debt" *gets army ad*
I will say it as ive said many times before, the controls of especially killzone 2 is top tier if not killzone 3, because you feel the weight and sluggish nature that is the equipment and tiredness of the world, while later games modernized it and is a light to none meanless shooter, shadowfall took years to grow on me along with its great lore and environmental story telling
But killzone 2 oozed style, you know that train mission, you're fighting miners/locals in the area (aka civilians that are now militant) that is great stort telling and showings off how much care and world building snd sacrifice these people have done to get to where they are snd how fucked they were by vekta (their original home and the place they are trying to retake in KZ1, great video btw) and now the ISA along with support or earth trying to enter helgan territory just show cases how prepared they were with the intro
Anyways I can go in for days, but yes the controls are clunky and hard but they allow so much, as a veteran in the ps3 days and multi-player you had to get good with them it allowed you to know your limits, more tactical positioning and tacfics with gear and man the park our
No one talks about it but if you were to boot up the ps3 and play KZ2 botzone alone or with bots and try exploring interesting angles, using equipment or setting up traps or lock down points you can get quite vertical or obtuse positions that are very much fair and could be hard to counter but worth while to get to and clear out making it a ehile mission on its own or taking side paths that can or cannot be exploited on either side
The dynamics of that game were great snd combat was so worthy that you were always down to have fun when you died especially in a pistols only match
Man those were the days
Also the input lag and copeium part I've heard for years but it really is fucking good, because if you played other titles you know they could or make it snappy. But fuck no and went an unconventional path and it was fucking worth it
The only people that bitch about it ate kids that can't adapt and survive
Throw your conceptions of what is or should be to accepting what is and what will be
If you can't get good, training could be offered but all I will say on that matter is that if it isn't for you, accept it isn't but it is for others so know there are a demographic out there and was an intentional creative decision
Sorry it sucks for you but I also hate modern gaming and snappy shooters, it's way too easy and gets brainless and promotes more mobile games, the only game I can say I really loved in it was titan fall 2 with its mp, great story and co-op modes
Otherwise it felt like an unpolished gimmick
While this felt refined and intentional
At first it feels like shit and really bade, but play a shit ton of botzone and master it
Sadly for new players you won't have the other classes as you had to unlock them online and won't be able to experience 70% of mp dynamics
Highly recommend botzone in killzone 3 if you're looking for what I'm talking about
@JAA_007 bingo. Killzone 2 and 3 still look better than most games right now and had by far the best cover system in the history of shooters, or even games in general. Shadowfall sucked to me because it changed all of that to be like cod and that was just lazy. A 4k, hdr, 60 frame killzone 5 with the cover mechanics of 2 and 3 would absolutely destroy right now. I guess I can just keep imagining that in my head. Hell, even a remaster of both games with no input lag would be better than most shooters right now. That would make for some incredible multi-player as well. 6v6 with those systems would kill siege as well easily
@@JAA_007 they also removed k2 and 3 from psn suddenly not long ago. I hope that means remakes are happening
This game deservers AT LEAST a remaster with a PC port (that means 4k and raw input) + working multiplayer.
Emulator works fine, and you can play it in 8k and it looks gorgeous
@@militaryarchive4840 read the room
"They have a shanty town in their capital city."....who wants to tell him?
so the input lag is why I remember the gunplay so vividly... I really liked how everything felt as heavily weighted as they looked but I think you can portray that with animations that don't affect how fast you can turn around
They always got a good big name actor to be the main bad in these games. In this one, it was Brian Cox, who played Col. Stryker in the second X-Men movie, and was in the Bourne Identity.
He was also the director in manhunt.
The oddest thing I noticed is at 5:42 the metal o ring on his back is from a forklift safety harness
Haven’t played this game recently but it was my favorite game for a while. The online mode was sick especially when playing as the sniper and being able to sort of go invisible
this saga need a remake, the kill zone 2 onlinr was addictive and sick
I had the trophy for being ranked in the top 1% online in KZ2. Definitely one of my favourite games, sad it's gone 😢
its online again
the multiplayer on this was absolutely astounding.
I agree the train scene thing was neat especially that it was a tunnel.
Video was funny first I've seen of yours.
Red hat man is the main guy from the first game
Garza is the pinnacle of Killzone: he doesn't have any character of his own but they're banking that he'll remind you of some other character from somewhere else that you actually care about.
Killzone 2 had the best death animations in an fps.
Counter argument = Undertale proves that gameplay and story matter more than graphics.
They had to get every last cent out of Brian Cox's performance at the end didn't they
The Killzone franshise today proves otherwise
"Halo Master Man"? That's John Halo, you silly billy.
I'm guessing you are planning it already but incase your your not, PLEASE PLAY KILLZONE 3. This video was the reason I subscribed to you 🎉
I played this game last year on a CRT and the graphics are literally insane. It looks like Playation 6.
The red hat is supposed to mean he works in engineering and the "scrambled eggs" mean he is a senior officer.
Killzone seems like the kind of game where red hats mean additional hit points.
I thought Crysis already proved that.
Fucking Rydek bossfight gives me nightmares just remembering it
People who say weapons are more realistic with input lag must not be proficient with weapons, being able to swap between targets quickly is half the fun of competitive shooting
If I got Brian Cox to VO my big bad guy, I'd want to get my money's worth too 😂
Killzone 2 was my first multi-player FPS. First time I had ever played online on a console... it blew my fucking mind.
That one killzone mission with the airplane at the beginning….. omg
2:31 the bullet was faster than the sound bruh
Killzone 2 was the lightning in a bottle for the Franchise. It’s a shame they forgot what made it so charming for the sequels. I still hold out hopes that Guerilla Games would do a port to the current gen.
Sold out for cod crowd unfortunately
The multiplayer is still up through private servers.
"They have a shanty town in their capital city" you been to DC, Oboe?
playing it on my 48" LG c1 and thanks to the resolution filters the game looks perfect, zero blurring, it looks like playing at 1080p and that the game runs at a 720p resolution, the input lag problem is also eliminated thanks to the settings low latency that the TV has
Side not the second Norfolk Southern train derailed right outside my work.
When He was game ended by the Red Laserpointer sniper it Was actually pretty realistic because u wouldnt hear the shot before it Hits u (bullet is faster than the Sound)
Can I get an "F" for our boy Garza?
I quit in the last room of the game. It was so frustrating at that point, and not fun at all anymore, and I just hated it. I like to finish games, and stay with it when I’m stuck, but my heart wasn’t in it. The highlight was the windy, dusty outdoors with flapping cloth and rusted metal. That was great.
The Pinnacle of game design is the teleporting boss of Killzone.
Good old times playing Killzone 2 on multiplayer back in my highschool days
i remember multiplayer was lit af like warzone when kz2 wz2 was in its prime
You’re a monster for making me remember how amazing Rainbow Six Vegas 2 was
Speaking of input response i remember playing dark sous 2 for the first time on mouse and keyboard and the input response was abysmal. Something like .5 seconds. I kept playing because i didn't know how to fix it. Still finished it.
You gotta play the Rainbow Six Vegas 2 campaign, I'm pretty sure it has at least 1 situation where the bad guy is giving a boring speech and you can just shoot him.
logan roy as general bad guy in killzone 2 was really not something i expected to see today
When did the gaming public suddenly decide that Killzone 2 was not "good" even though the game scored 8s, 9s and even 10s up the ass when it released?
Paid off reviewers.
Templar was the MC of the first game
it loooked AMAZING when it came out since most ppl had LCD 32 inch tvs