Just came into the market for a board like this. I was at Retallack , BC, Canada and had my ass handed to me on a Burton 168 flight attendant. They loaned me a Nitro 154 Pow board. I thought NO WAY, I'm way too big for it. It ripped!! Conditions were pretty good powder but had to stay in the tight trees and on both low and steep grades. The tight trees is where the short board shined. I'm 55 years old, been riding sense I was 19. I'm 5'9" and 225lbs. I think I'm going to go with the 156, but also the 161 is tempting. I am also scoping the Pow Wrench 158. I've ridden long boards for so many years I'm behind the times on board length. Thoughts? Thanks for the reviews!!
@@thegoodridesnow Thanks for the feedback. Size 10 in my Salomon's and 10.5 in K2 boots. . Quick turning in steep trees is what I want. I can make it work for the open slopes if that comes along. 161 to 156 is really only 2 inches after all though. Thanks ...!
sometimes millimeters matter in snowboarding so 2 inches is a lot. That being said I think you would like the 161 better. It is a very fast turning board. I'm a size 9, 185lbs and 5'10". The 156 felt a little small for me in really deep low angle pow and I was considering getting the 161. At 225lbs and a size 10-10.5 you might find the 156 even smaller than I did.
@@thegoodridesnow Thank you. Just barely touching this subject still, can you recommend bindings for this board? I have not done the research and can if there is not an easy answer. But do I have to use Burton Chanel (EST) bindings? I will but wonder if there are other options. Will be ordering the soon (if it's in stock) to get some laps on it this season before 1st tracks at Retallack next year again.
No you don't have to use EST bindings. You can use Re:Flex or any other binding out there in the industry as long as it is channel compatible. I rode it with Union Atlas and that felt great. So would the Union Force, Union Strata, Cartel X Re:Flex, Genesis Re:Flex or Cartel Re:Flex or Rome Katana's and Salomon Holograms. Don't go EST. You are stuck with Burton channel boards then and it's always good to have a binding that works with the other 95% of the industry as well.
Great review, thanks! I’m much more of a surfer than boarder and am always pushing to see how short I can go on my surfboards cause I like that feel. Makes me tempted to get the 151 but sounds like I might regret it? I’m 5’11, 163 pounds, size 10.5 boot. You’d push me toward the 156, correct? This will be strictly a proper pow day board.
How you like your fish @ 156? I'm bang-on the same specs as you and was deciding between the 151 and 156. I have a Batalleon Surfer (154) for pow but wanted to try a non-camber pow board to see if I liked it more. I particularly want to ride trees more and see how it fairs once the powder gets more ski'd up. Hope you like it! Cheers!
Hi James, Been an avid followers for years and really appreciate your reviews, looking to be a Patreon soon. Just wanted to get your advice as I'm looking for a surfey powder board that I'll be using in Japan in 2025. I've only ridden the non 3D fish some years back and remember it being very floaty and somewhat surfy during my first cat ski experience. Would you say the 3D fish is the same? I weigh about 200 pounds and have 8.5 Burton Ion Step Ons and a Step On Genesis RE:FLEX. If you could also recommend sizing for the 3D Fish and whether this is what I'm looking for or whether I should look elsewhere? Thank you
Many thanks. What is your height and weight? If you want to do this right hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better or hit me throught the patron members free advice link. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Burton 3D fish is actually smaller than a 156, more like a 154. It’s measured/marketed as if it had a full tail. You might like the 160 more…Not sure why Burton does this
Stand it next to a traditional popsicle stick shaped 156 and you’ll see that the fish is smaller. Also confirmed this with a friend that works with boards and bindings at Burton.
Oh sorry! It's hard to keep up with replies here. It's a pretty easy board to handle/turn so if you are going to use this for deep pow for sure go 156. If you plan to ride less than perfect pow, see more steep terrain, and tighter trees maybe go with the 151 but it will feel small for you on deeper days. If you want to get into it more hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Fish turns faster in powder but the Dart, if sized correctly is close. On groomers the fish turns much faster but it's much more boring to turn than the Dart. They are very different boards though and aren't very comparable.
great video! Im stuck on deciding whether to buy the Burton deep daze, or the 3d fish. will be 100% for pow riding, here in Japan. would you happen to be able to compare the two? thanks so much!
I have ridden the Deep Daze extensively and will be putting out a review soon. I have my take up for Early Access Members on Patreon www.patreon.com/thegoodride. My short take is I like the 3D fish better so I would go for that one if their is a size that fit's your specs.
Many thanks for the extended review! 👍 One more question: as the rocker of my new Orca is driving me crazy (incl the magne traction which makes it even more inconsistent) I’m considering selling it and buying the fish. Any thoughts/ advice?
Glad it helps. So this is flat to rocker/3D so it will feel stable vs. your Orca that feels auto spinny/loose. This will make pow and soft snow riding a lot more fun but you can do a lot better on groomers. Hit me up here if you want to get in depth advice as I need to know a lot more about you. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
@@thegoodridesnowmany thanks for your swift reply. So for pow/soft snow the Orca will do as good/better than the Fish? (I’ll grab my Santoku and Standard Uninc for groomers, etc).
@@thegoodridesnow many thanks again. Sold the Orca. Now doubting between the Fish, Party Wave and Capita Spring Break Powder Racer. Any insights/ advice to share?
Those are all very different boards. Pow Racer is light and poppy. Party Wave super short/wide with very different lifted tech. So we have gone about as far as we can go with me knowing so little about you. If you want to get the right board hit me up here so I can actually help. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/.
Nice video. Considering a fish. Would you suggest Est malavitas or est cartel x? Also thinking burton freestyle board. I love my 2022 custom camber but recognize its limitations. My 2007 burton royal all mountain freestyle board is feeling crazy heavy and lacking some tech since i tried the 2022 custom camber Would you say process flying v? Also my custom camber vs a hometown hero what am i missing out on?
Thanks! I would suggest neither bindings. Don't limit yourself with EST. I would go Cartel X Re:Flex because they work with other boards and have a better set back range for super deep pow days. I don't think you would be happy with a process flying v vs. a Custom. Maybe a Process Camber or even better the Territory manager if one comes in your size. For all mountain also consider the Cardiff Crane, Endeavor Pioneer, Jones Aviator or Frontier, YES Standard Uninc or Basic Uninc and a lot of other boards. Burton makes great boards but you will miss out on a complete life/quiver if you don't ride other boards. CC vs. HTH - CC has more camber/pop but HTH is close, is way more set back, more forgiving and has more float in pow. You don't need that though with a fish though. I would go Territory manager if you want something in between the CC and HTH for a daily driver. If you want more in depth advice based on your specs, where you ride etc. hit me up here shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hi, thanks for the great video! I'm 5'10/7.5US/165lbs, I have a 157 Korua Otto but it feels slow to turn on uneven terrain. I'm thinking of going to the fish 3D for powder/trees. Would you recommend 151 or 156? BTW I have a 155 Yes Basic which works fine for me. Many thx
Yeah that otto is really wide for ya. I would have suggested the 153 or another ride instead. The 156 fish will feel great/easier to turn in epic deep pow. 151 is better for your boots and most normal pow days but its kinda small. I would say the 156 turns easier than your otto 157 though. Hit me up here to get into it more. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Very informative video! Thinking to buy this exact same board for pow and I'm not sure how to size it as this will be my first fish-type board. I'm 6ft/183cm, 195lbs, size 10.5 boots and I usually ride 158-162 boards. As I mentioned, I don't have pow specific boards but I do have an all mountain camber board that I have sized up to 162 in order to ride pow. Do I do the same with this type of board or going a couple sizes bigger isn't necessary due to the shape? Thank you!
Hey there! I am 6', 190lbs with a size 11 US boot. I am concerned about toe/heel drag as I am usually on a wide model or short fatty. What are your thoughts on a 161?
@@thegoodridesnow Hey there! thanks for the reply! I run Ride Deadbolt Zonal size 11 boots with large Burton Cartels. On my current pow deck (Endeavor Archetype 161W) I run front +18/20 and rear near 0/-3...I really want something more floaty and turny but that rear width on the fish scares me.
Shit! Sorry didn't see this reply. You should be close if you set it all the way back and even angle your back foot more duck or more Posi but it's not something I feel super comfortable suggesting.
I'm a little late to this video; how does the Fish (and powder boards in general) help alleviate quad fatigue? i.e. when I'm riding an all-mountain board in deep pow I tend to lean back on my rear (right) leg which wears it out quickly. On pow boards is the weight a little more evenly distributed on each leg?
The Fish and many pow boards are super set back towards the tail so they have more directional float. They also have a much bigger nose than tail. On top of that the tail is not as wide as the nose (tapered) so it sinks into the powder allowing the bigger nose to float easier. That is what alleviates rear leg burn. Some, like the fish, are soo good you don't get rear leg burn at all.
Very different rides. These are more pure pow rides. I'd take these in pow and the Excavator for Groomers. Not that the Excavator is bad in pow by any means. These are just better.
@@thegoodridesnow hey people i have take the same boart in 156 size and im worry about the size . i'm 1,89 cm with foot size at 45,5 euro size and im 87 kilos. the size charts at burton site says im ok on bouth of them. what sould i do? pliz help!
@@thegoodridesnow our hills are not too steep and big .our powder plase has lots of trees and i thought it will be better short. because lots of spects at the 156 and 161 are too close.
@@user-bt8oe1bm9t Yes I would for sure return the 156 and go 161. It isn't a hard board to handle at 87KG and it will fit your boot size much better at 45.5. Same goes for your height.
love this channel!
Many Thanks!
Just came into the market for a board like this. I was at Retallack , BC, Canada and had my ass handed to me on a Burton 168 flight attendant. They loaned me a Nitro 154 Pow board. I thought NO WAY, I'm way too big for it. It ripped!! Conditions were pretty good powder but had to stay in the tight trees and on both low and steep grades. The tight trees is where the short board shined. I'm 55 years old, been riding sense I was 19. I'm 5'9" and 225lbs. I think I'm going to go with the 156, but also the 161 is tempting. I am also scoping the Pow Wrench 158. I've ridden long boards for so many years I'm behind the times on board length. Thoughts? Thanks for the reviews!!
You might like the 161 Fish better but don't know based on the info you gave. What is your boot size?
@@thegoodridesnow Thanks for the feedback. Size 10 in my Salomon's and 10.5 in K2 boots. . Quick turning in steep trees is what I want. I can make it work for the open slopes if that comes along. 161 to 156 is really only 2 inches after all though. Thanks ...!
sometimes millimeters matter in snowboarding so 2 inches is a lot. That being said I think you would like the 161 better. It is a very fast turning board. I'm a size 9, 185lbs and 5'10". The 156 felt a little small for me in really deep low angle pow and I was considering getting the 161. At 225lbs and a size 10-10.5 you might find the 156 even smaller than I did.
@@thegoodridesnow Thank you. Just barely touching this subject still, can you recommend bindings for this board? I have not done the research and can if there is not an easy answer. But do I have to use Burton Chanel (EST) bindings? I will but wonder if there are other options. Will be ordering the soon (if it's in stock) to get some laps on it this season before 1st tracks at Retallack next year again.
No you don't have to use EST bindings. You can use Re:Flex or any other binding out there in the industry as long as it is channel compatible. I rode it with Union Atlas and that felt great. So would the Union Force, Union Strata, Cartel X Re:Flex, Genesis Re:Flex or Cartel Re:Flex or Rome Katana's and Salomon Holograms. Don't go EST. You are stuck with Burton channel boards then and it's always good to have a binding that works with the other 95% of the industry as well.
Great review, thanks! I’m much more of a surfer than boarder and am always pushing to see how short I can go on my surfboards cause I like that feel. Makes me tempted to get the 151 but sounds like I might regret it? I’m 5’11, 163 pounds, size 10.5 boot. You’d push me toward the 156, correct? This will be strictly a proper pow day board.
Yeah the 156 works with your specs.
How you like your fish @ 156? I'm bang-on the same specs as you and was deciding between the 151 and 156. I have a Batalleon Surfer (154) for pow but wanted to try a non-camber pow board to see if I liked it more. I particularly want to ride trees more and see how it fairs once the powder gets more ski'd up. Hope you like it! Cheers!
Hi James,
Been an avid followers for years and really appreciate your reviews, looking to be a Patreon soon.
Just wanted to get your advice as I'm looking for a surfey powder board that I'll be using in Japan in 2025.
I've only ridden the non 3D fish some years back and remember it being very floaty and somewhat surfy during my first cat ski experience.
Would you say the 3D fish is the same? I weigh about 200 pounds and have 8.5 Burton Ion Step Ons and a Step On Genesis RE:FLEX.
If you could also recommend sizing for the 3D Fish and whether this is what I'm looking for or whether I should look elsewhere?
Thank you
Many thanks. What is your height and weight? If you want to do this right hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better or hit me throught the patron members free advice link. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
@@thegoodridesnow Hey James, thanks for getting back to me. My height is 5 ft 7 and weight is 200 pounds.
156 will treat you well. Maybe the 161 if you plan on seeing super deep snow.
Burton 3D fish is actually smaller than a 156, more like a 154. It’s measured/marketed as if it had a full tail. You might like the 160 more…Not sure why Burton does this
Did you measure height throughout the curve of the rocker or just the height from the nose to the floor?
Stand it next to a traditional popsicle stick shaped 156 and you’ll see that the fish is smaller. Also confirmed this with a friend that works with boards and bindings at Burton.
Don't have one anymore. Was hoping to get the 161 but Burton didn't have one for me this year. Maybe next year.
Cool thanks for the suggestion, keep up the good work!
Awesome review and love your channel!!! I’m 160lbs and 8.5 boot. Would you recommend a 151?
Many thanks. Height?
5’8
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Oh sorry! It's hard to keep up with replies here. It's a pretty easy board to handle/turn so if you are going to use this for deep pow for sure go 156. If you plan to ride less than perfect pow, see more steep terrain, and tighter trees maybe go with the 151 but it will feel small for you on deeper days. If you want to get into it more hit me here to give me the info I need to help you much better. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
How would you compare the fish to the Dart with regards to quick turnability? Thanks and great review as always!
Fish turns faster in powder but the Dart, if sized correctly is close. On groomers the fish turns much faster but it's much more boring to turn than the Dart. They are very different boards though and aren't very comparable.
great video! Im stuck on deciding whether to buy the Burton deep daze, or the 3d fish. will be 100% for pow riding, here in Japan. would you happen to be able to compare the two? thanks so much!
I have ridden the Deep Daze extensively and will be putting out a review soon. I have my take up for Early Access Members on Patreon www.patreon.com/thegoodride. My short take is I like the 3D fish better so I would go for that one if their is a size that fit's your specs.
Many thanks for the extended review! 👍 One more question: as the rocker of my new Orca is driving me crazy (incl the magne traction which makes it even more inconsistent) I’m considering selling it and buying the fish. Any thoughts/ advice?
Glad it helps. So this is flat to rocker/3D so it will feel stable vs. your Orca that feels auto spinny/loose. This will make pow and soft snow riding a lot more fun but you can do a lot better on groomers. Hit me up here if you want to get in depth advice as I need to know a lot more about you. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
@@thegoodridesnowmany thanks for your swift reply. So for pow/soft snow the Orca will do as good/better than the Fish? (I’ll grab my Santoku and Standard Uninc for groomers, etc).
No. Fish is way better. Yeah if you have a Standard Uninc and Santoku the fish will compliment your quiver quite well and you can drop the Orca.
@@thegoodridesnow many thanks again. Sold the Orca. Now doubting between the Fish, Party Wave and Capita Spring Break Powder Racer. Any insights/ advice to share?
Those are all very different boards. Pow Racer is light and poppy. Party Wave super short/wide with very different lifted tech. So we have gone about as far as we can go with me knowing so little about you. If you want to get the right board hit me up here so I can actually help. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/.
Nice video. Considering a fish. Would you suggest Est malavitas or est cartel x?
Also thinking burton freestyle board. I love my 2022 custom camber but recognize its limitations. My 2007 burton royal all mountain freestyle board is feeling crazy heavy and lacking some tech since i tried the 2022 custom camber Would you say process flying v?
Also my custom camber vs a hometown hero what am i missing out on?
Thanks! I would suggest neither bindings. Don't limit yourself with EST. I would go Cartel X Re:Flex because they work with other boards and have a better set back range for super deep pow days.
I don't think you would be happy with a process flying v vs. a Custom. Maybe a Process Camber or even better the Territory manager if one comes in your size. For all mountain also consider the Cardiff Crane, Endeavor Pioneer, Jones Aviator or Frontier, YES Standard Uninc or Basic Uninc and a lot of other boards. Burton makes great boards but you will miss out on a complete life/quiver if you don't ride other boards.
CC vs. HTH - CC has more camber/pop but HTH is close, is way more set back, more forgiving and has more float in pow. You don't need that though with a fish though. I would go Territory manager if you want something in between the CC and HTH for a daily driver.
If you want more in depth advice based on your specs, where you ride etc. hit me up here shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Hi, thanks for the great video!
I'm 5'10/7.5US/165lbs, I have a 157 Korua Otto but it feels slow to turn on uneven terrain. I'm thinking of going to the fish 3D for powder/trees. Would you recommend 151 or 156? BTW I have a 155 Yes Basic which works fine for me. Many thx
Yeah that otto is really wide for ya. I would have suggested the 153 or another ride instead. The 156 fish will feel great/easier to turn in epic deep pow. 151 is better for your boots and most normal pow days but its kinda small. I would say the 156 turns easier than your otto 157 though. Hit me up here to get into it more. shop.thegoodride.com/merchandise/gear-advice/
Very informative video! Thinking to buy this exact same board for pow and I'm not sure how to size it as this will be my first fish-type board. I'm 6ft/183cm, 195lbs, size 10.5 boots and I usually ride 158-162 boards. As I mentioned, I don't have pow specific boards but I do have an all mountain camber board that I have sized up to 162 in order to ride pow. Do I do the same with this type of board or going a couple sizes bigger isn't necessary due to the shape? Thank you!
Thanks! You will like the 161 best.
@@thegoodridesnow thank you! Appreciate your content!
I'm in love with this board, but is a size 12US boot too big for the 161?
Doable but not perfect. If you ride duck or posi in the back foot and have reduced footprint boots it should help.
Just bought the fish. My stance width is 23.5 inches. What would you recommend for binding placement. Should I set them back on board or center them ?
I like riding powder set back on the board but it is all personal preference.
Hey there! I am 6', 190lbs with a size 11 US boot. I am concerned about toe/heel drag as I am usually on a wide model or short fatty. What are your thoughts on a 161?
What kind of boot do you have and what are your stance angles?
@@thegoodridesnow Hey there! thanks for the reply! I run Ride Deadbolt Zonal size 11 boots with large Burton Cartels. On my current pow deck (Endeavor Archetype 161W) I run front +18/20 and rear near 0/-3...I really want something more floaty and turny but that rear width on the fish scares me.
Shit! Sorry didn't see this reply. You should be close if you set it all the way back and even angle your back foot more duck or more Posi but it's not something I feel super comfortable suggesting.
I'm a little late to this video; how does the Fish (and powder boards in general) help alleviate quad fatigue? i.e. when I'm riding an all-mountain board in deep pow I tend to lean back on my rear (right) leg which wears it out quickly. On pow boards is the weight a little more evenly distributed on each leg?
The Fish and many pow boards are super set back towards the tail so they have more directional float. They also have a much bigger nose than tail. On top of that the tail is not as wide as the nose (tapered) so it sinks into the powder allowing the bigger nose to float easier. That is what alleviates rear leg burn. Some, like the fish, are soo good you don't get rear leg burn at all.
I like bigger size for pow days do you recommend 161? I’m 6.0 185
I’m scared of 156 cause last time i bought a volume shifter board was 156 and I felt was small
I bought a Bataleon Surfer and it is a life changer.
How would you stack these up to the K2 Excavator?
Very different rides. These are more pure pow rides. I'd take these in pow and the Excavator for Groomers. Not that the Excavator is bad in pow by any means. These are just better.
I have a Bataleon surfer, how does the fish stack up?
Two very floaty fun rides. If you like your surfer no need to get the 3D Fish. Lots of overlap here.
Do you like the 3D fish or the Bataleon surfer better? @thegoodridesnow
I personally like the 3D Fish but its all personal preference. The surfer is a great board as well so go with what calls to you more.
@@thegoodridesnow I’m 160lbs, 5’ 9” with a size 9 boot. Do you recommend the 151cm or the 156cm for the 3D Fish?
what is your height?
great video!
Thanks. 5'10/1.78m
@@thegoodridesnow hey people i have take the same boart in 156 size and im worry about the size . i'm 1,89 cm with foot size at 45,5 euro size and im 87 kilos. the size charts at burton site says im ok on bouth of them. what sould i do? pliz help!
sould i change it at the 161?
@@thegoodridesnow our hills are not too steep and big .our powder plase has lots of trees and i thought it will be better short. because lots of spects at the 156 and 161 are too close.
@@user-bt8oe1bm9t Yes I would for sure return the 156 and go 161. It isn't a hard board to handle at 87KG and it will fit your boot size much better at 45.5. Same goes for your height.