The worst MYTH about drum tuning

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КОМЕНТАРІ • 175

  • @i_kik_set
    @i_kik_set 4 місяці тому +33

    I've said this before, I'll say it again...Sound is all that matters. Dampening or not. It's all about the sound for the song. Some of your favorite songs had crazy dampening on the drums...and some didn't. Sound is The Master. Period.

  • @Steefanari
    @Steefanari 4 місяці тому +2

    One thing about Bonham and others from that era that people seem to miss a lot is that it was much more common for snares to have internal adjustable muffling, so just because they didn't have towels or tape all over their heads, doesn't mean they didn't use the muffling. Bonham absolutely did that, adjusting between songs even.

  • @TimSavage-drummer
    @TimSavage-drummer 4 місяці тому +3

    Gregg Bissonette's quick drum tuning and dampening overview on Rick Beato's second channel is great, it's something I was never taught or was even covered when I did lessons in the 90's.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      I'll check it out!

  • @Xmenjade
    @Xmenjade 5 місяців тому +6

    recently got an acoustic instead of an edrum and people often forget the joy of having raw physical sound from cymbals and drums, all i can say is be aloof and creative and embrace that element of sound, i put a brick on my snare and i adore my really weird deep hihat sound, playing around is valid nothing is good nor bad

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Yes! Agree. There are no “rules” for music.

  • @mndrummer7112
    @mndrummer7112 5 місяців тому +11

    I have a friend who’s an experienced sound engineer and do what he says at the show. Opinions from the “experts” in the crowd don’t matter to me. I also don’t record at home, so I just go with whatever sound I like. Guess I’m in the camp of “if they aren’t my drums, it’s not my call.”

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +7

      I LOVE this mindset. When recording at home I'm "my own" engineer and I'm always doing what sounds best under the microphone and don't care at ALL how it sounds in the room. But live it is a GREAT idea to communicate with the front of house engineer and see how the drums are translating out front and working as a team to tweak whatever to get the mix sounding as good as possible.

    • @coder4liberty
      @coder4liberty 4 місяці тому

      Well. A lot of drummers think it's about them even when the band/music doesn't feature them. It has to work with the music you are playing. Certain genres and music within certain genres lend themselves to open drums. Other genres not so much. Really quick playing lends itself to shorter notes. If your kick is ringing and you're playing fast metal it's not going to work. Guitar players use palm mutes, conga players use muted notes where appropriate. Drums ringing on music that doesn't call for such an open sound is like a piano player riding the sustain pedal the entire time they play just because they insist it's their signature sound.

    • @Employee00765
      @Employee00765 4 місяці тому

      ​@@coder4liberty Drummers like that are bad drummers. I would replace them with a good drummer who plays WITH the band.

  • @Imabassplayer2
    @Imabassplayer2 5 місяців тому +5

    I love dampening drums, dialling in the right amount is fun. I have spent hours tuning a snare to get the right sound. While it started out fun it became a laborious and frustrating. I could get the sound but couldn't tame the overtones or ring. So I much prefer tuning to the right sound, then fine tune with dampening. Moon Gel, other dampening gels, cloth, tape, wallet, towels, pillows, or any dampening product I use because there are so many ways to get the sound you're after. Doesn't matter how you get the sound as long as you get the sound you're looking for. Great video love seeing how others dampen and tuning methods, very inspiring.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +2

      Agreed! Glad this video hit home for ya

    • @opietaylor5778
      @opietaylor5778 4 місяці тому

      Yeah I’ve switched to tape on my snare with the weight idea I stole from that el estapario guy. No more moon gels I Ike the tape and can make great sounds by hitting the tape and the weight.

  • @jc_drumming_2331
    @jc_drumming_2331 5 місяців тому +2

    So good! Thanks for this video super helpful. Much blessings.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Thanks so much!

  • @RicherMusic
    @RicherMusic 4 місяці тому +1

    Lovely video and great information. Keep it going dude

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Thanks so much!

  • @ubersticks
    @ubersticks 5 місяців тому +1

    8:10 I love that you write the date on the drum head -- why didn't I think of that? I can never remember when I last changed a head...

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      YES! It’s a huge help. Especially when I’m wrenching on a drum and can’t get it to sit right - that’s when I’ll check the date and it’ll be from 6+ years ago haha

  • @McGuire40695
    @McGuire40695 4 місяці тому +1

    2:30-ish is a great statement! I'm a guitarist first, and I dabble with drums, but a player's technique, skill, and knowledge of the instrument will greatly affect how it sounds instead of the "one size fits all" approach a lot of people try to follow.

  • @tor2112
    @tor2112 4 місяці тому +1

    Cloth on a drum head! Very cool idea and technique. Never thought of that with a binder clip. Thanks!

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      Let me know what you think when you try it out!

  • @flapjackson6077
    @flapjackson6077 4 місяці тому +3

    Dude, that’s really instructional! Good tip on using cloth! Great comparisons! I use dampening on my toms to keep the noise down in my garage. I’d been playing my snare with a broken resonant head that I’d duct taped together because I was too lazy to buy new one. That actually worked for a year or so, but I finally replaced the old one and ever since the snare has sounded way too resonant! Go figure! 😂
    I guess I brain farted because I’d forgotten about using a dampener on the snare until I stumbled on this video.
    Thumbs up and subscribed, my brother! 👍

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      Glad it helped - thanks for the subscription!

  • @hjalmarbackstrom5883
    @hjalmarbackstrom5883 4 місяці тому +1

    Really nice upload! The examples of very dampened sound still has a certain part of natural sound to them, like "organic artifact" so the idea about searching for a balance seems just right. For me, I believe I should have left some of my habits earlier, I tend to somewhat dryer sounds these days and I usually fit in the ensemble better today.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      A lot of the heavy dampened stuff that still sound "natural" or something can sometimes be because of overhead mics and room mics putting them "in a space" instead of just the close mics which will sound very "alien" haha.

  • @korolev-musictodriveby6583
    @korolev-musictodriveby6583 5 місяців тому +2

    I use the 'cloth 'n' clip' method , too , great in the studio . Thanks for the informative video , which 12" snare is that ?

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      Cloth is the way! As for the snare - it’s a 12” Mapex Venus I got from a childhood friend. The 18” kick and 12” snare in the set were pretty killer. Think it was supposed to be a child’s drum set.

  • @R_Ultraloud
    @R_Ultraloud 5 місяців тому +1

    Dampened and without are different worlds, and is good to know them both. As you said, experimentation is the way.

  • @jonashellborg8320
    @jonashellborg8320 4 місяці тому +1

    Lately, I’ve been bringing an e-ring with me to gigs, for the snare drum. Just because it’s easy to bring, put on and take off. Soon as I’m at the gig, it’s clear if I need it or not. Before I’ve used tape, gels too, also full cloths, yet to try that clamped cloth to the edge of the drum. For me it’s nice with something that is fast to add and remove. I know what kind of debate you refer to, for me that’s often playing in different rooms, tuning, muffling are just tools that I use to get the sound in my head out in the room.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      "tools that I use to get the sound in my head out in the room" is a perfect way to put it!

  • @arturofernandez6088
    @arturofernandez6088 5 місяців тому +2

    Good video! Thanks 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤘🏼
    I especially liked how you dampened the drum w that cloth and binder clip.
    One can really save some $ that way instead of buying snareweight products

  • @bpmdrums
    @bpmdrums 5 місяців тому +1

    Fantastic video and fantastic hair! I've noticed the same thing about snare drums needing to be tuned higher when being heavily dampened to sound gushy. But just to clarify, when you say tighter snares, you're actually talking about the snare wires, yeah? Probably both, but just wanted to clarify. Thanks!

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for the hair compliment! Haha. Yes - tighter snare wire tension was what I was talking about. It seems counter intuitive but some of those lower tunings actually have pretty tight wire tension.

  • @jghillstudio1857
    @jghillstudio1857 4 місяці тому +1

    I have looked many times for the old drum wallets, I don’t know if the company went out of business or what. Great video Tim. Tuning a drum for recording is way different than playing live. Much respect…Rock on!

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      I'm not sure what Chad from The Drum Wallet is up to, but I have a few of them and they are cool.

  • @garethtrice2933
    @garethtrice2933 4 місяці тому +1

    My choice are cloths and clips, I’ve tried many types of dampening and it doesn’t really matter what type but for me, a cloth and clip is cheap, affective, will last forever, clean and easy to take on and off a drum. Whatever you use, go by sound and feel, make it your own!

  • @LarkVsOwl-de3op
    @LarkVsOwl-de3op 5 місяців тому +1

    Thank you! Also, Jeff Porcaro did use a little dampening at times.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @G0ATHR0B
    @G0ATHR0B 5 місяців тому +1

    I like using cotton balls but prefer actual rabbit tails inside the drum. Tom(s), snare(s), and bass drum(s). It really seems to help deaden overtones while keeping a live top head.
    Also remember to vary the amount of cotton balls/tails depending on depth and diameter of the drum!

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      Cotton balls have been mentioned a few times in the comments. I’ve tried it and it didn’t work for me as it was just a little too difficult to “fine tune” because of having to take the head off. But a smart idea and if it works then use it!

  • @docsspeakeasy4796
    @docsspeakeasy4796 4 місяці тому +1

    I love the steely Dan drum sound, pops in all the right ways. I’m of the belief there is no right way to get a sound just different techniques

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Agreed! And YES, a lot of those Steely Dan records had some incredible drumming and engineering on them.

  • @BradsGonnaPlay
    @BradsGonnaPlay 4 місяці тому +1

    I think you nailed it early on in the video. Dampening and tuning and the individual player create the tone.

  • @evanmatthiesen7478
    @evanmatthiesen7478 5 місяців тому +1

    is that the date you put the head on sharpied on the remo logo? thats a great idea! might steal!

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Yes! I date EVERY head so that way if I’m having a REALLY hard time getting a drum in tune I can check the date. I was wrestling a drum a few weeks ago and looked down and it had been 5 years since I changed either head haha.

    • @evanmatthiesen7478
      @evanmatthiesen7478 5 місяців тому

      @@TimBuell yeah I certainly have mine on long enough to have no idea when they were put on. thanks for the idea!!

  • @Kynect2Hymn
    @Kynect2Hymn 4 місяці тому +1

    Great video, I really hate the whole 'a snare needs to be tuned up with no dampening' approach that so many people seem to have.. I always say to do whats best for the song provided, some songs do better with low tuning, some higher; it really depends on what fits!

  • @C_475
    @C_475 5 місяців тому +2

    I love to have my toms open and control the overtones on the snare with tape a moongel or whatever
    But I love messing with tuning

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Tuning is such an important art!

  • @drew_on_drums
    @drew_on_drums 5 місяців тому +2

    There's a point where dampening becomes compensation for shit tuning. I play fast metal, and dampening is an important part of the note clarity we need, even if just a moongel

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Agreed! Certainly some people are compensating for not knowing how to tune.

  • @RaincloudmusicTFS6
    @RaincloudmusicTFS6 3 місяці тому

    There are photos of Jeff's Carpathian Elm with a packing blanket inside. He did that depending on the session he was at. Use ya ears. Simple! ❤❤❤

  • @_-_Michael_-_
    @_-_Michael_-_ 4 місяці тому +1

    If it sounds bad in music you play then you need to play with it. If it works and sounds OK in band then play what you have. And practice. Heard phenomenal drummer sat behind a horrific drumset and he sounded great. And another way around. So practice. Thats what is most important.

  • @AlpcanAras
    @AlpcanAras 4 місяці тому +1

    I like dead drums, I like wide sounding drums, I like the sound of my table when I’m in mood.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      100%! About 80% of the songs I record drums on I also program "percussion" which sometimes is literally me drumming on a table haha. It's all about what fits the song and what's right for that moment.

  • @1000toneloc
    @1000toneloc 4 місяці тому +2

    Thank you 👍

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Thanks for watching!

  • @Jamie-wr9xe
    @Jamie-wr9xe 5 місяців тому +1

    I usually tune them at home with all lugs even and the reso higher than the batter. Then start loading them up with dampening at the gig when the FoH guy starts whining about ringing. Usually a gel or two is enough to stop the whining.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Working in collaboration with the engineer (studio or live) is a great idea. The reality is drums sound VERY different under mics than they do in the room.

  • @chancellorpercussion4464
    @chancellorpercussion4464 5 місяців тому +1

    The biggest positive to using cloths and binder clips for me is that they theoretically last forever with good care. Moon gels wear down and tape is annoying at times but I also prefer the sound of cloths anyway so it works out

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      Great point!

    • @BeatsAndMeats
      @BeatsAndMeats 4 місяці тому +1

      If you don't have $4 for some Moongels... I dont know what to tell you.

    • @chancellorpercussion4464
      @chancellorpercussion4464 4 місяці тому

      @@BeatsAndMeats it’s not as much not being able to afford it as it is a preference

  • @lordofthemound3890
    @lordofthemound3890 4 місяці тому +1

    Al Jackson would put his billfold on his snare when he sat down to play. Can’t argue with his results.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      Wallet on the snare is a classic.

  • @aliebalieb6731
    @aliebalieb6731 4 місяці тому

    The thing is.....if your in a rock band, starting to play gigs in small clubs, where the drum isnt lined up with mic's and only the pure drum comes off the stage, as a rock drummer you have no choice.
    You have to dampen it. Otherwise it would sound more like a Jazz-session.
    So after a while you get used to that sound and its getting strange when you play on bigger stages with a fully mic'ed set, and the engineer, at the sound-check says, put away those damping stuff.

  • @chaoscinereous
    @chaoscinereous 5 місяців тому +1

    great video as usual! yeah there is still no shortage of dampening purists who are quick to repeat the same idea that 'if you use dampening you must surely be compensating for something'. not true at all! dampening is complementary, not supplementary, to our drum sound. more drummers need to be ok with experimenting and coming up with homemade sound design options, or just whatever helps us get closer to the sound we want.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Couldn’t agree more!

  • @kerryallen-ql4ng
    @kerryallen-ql4ng 5 місяців тому +1

    I mean... What does the song need? Dampen or don't accordingly haha. Can't help but think anyone throwing shade on your IG/YT about your drum sounds probably play drums but don't record varying degrees of genres. Keep it up Tim, love your stuff!

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      ❤️ agreed! It isn’t just my IG tho - I hear this ALL the time from drummers so I had to give my two cents haha.

  • @FunkyDrumm3r
    @FunkyDrumm3r 4 місяці тому +1

    Good video. And of course fresh heads are easier to tune because they are at their peak in term of performance.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Thanks so much!

  • @coder4liberty
    @coder4liberty 4 місяці тому +1

    I don't mean to sound like the old guy going on about "why in my day" but before there were so many products to do sound treatment on drums an awful lot of hit records were done with feminine hygiene products taped to the drums. I call it sound treatment because there are systems that are designed to stop vibration and then there are the systems to add mass to the head which just happens to among other things lesson the sustain. I'm not a fan of some of those systems. Including the rings you just drop on the drums. I know a lot of people like them.
    The late 70s to early 90s is when I played professionally. Pretty much none of the modern day favored methods like Moongel existed. I hated taping stuff to my drums and tended toward things that added mass if I needed sound treatment rather than things that choked the sound. One of the ideas I used was to take old drum heads that needed to be changed and cut them in the center so that only about an inch or two of the playing surface was left. I then cut the metal hoop off (Remo but it would probably work with other heads) which left a ring but with the bearing edge part of the head still there. I then put them on the shell and put the new head on top. Both got tensioned when tuning the head. This worked pretty sell with medium weight heads if i wanted a deep shorter sound.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Yeah the "old head under the new head" is what I do with my lowest tuned snare. REALLY cool trick to get the low "gush" sound without having to use an entire roll of gaff haha.

  • @falc0n717
    @falc0n717 5 місяців тому +1

    I try to subscribe to the idea of “Tune the drums to sound good prior to adding dampening, then dampen according the what you need.”
    A drum tuned the same as in the studio and the stage can sound very different despite no change to the tuning. The drum can sound way too wide open in the studio and require a pack of moongels (metaphorically) but sound dead with the same amount of dampening when out on stage.

  • @clearestapricotpencil4125
    @clearestapricotpencil4125 5 місяців тому +1

    omg so much good info fOR FREE

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Glad ya dig it!

  • @pour-g8677
    @pour-g8677 4 місяці тому +1

    Compensating for bad tuning??? Depends.. i rather spend practicing than spending your whole day just getting the right tune.. my max dampening gel per drum would be 2 after that i think my tuning is off and need to work on it

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Agreed, it is all case dependent. But I think focusing on tuning/dampening is a skill that would transform a lot of drummers sound if they spent more time honing.

  • @cocoblizzard
    @cocoblizzard 4 місяці тому +1

    I heard safe space, i'm out. I don't need a safe space, i need to be challenged, it makes me better.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      To each their own!

  • @jarmay243
    @jarmay243 5 місяців тому +5

    Damping: Engaging in the act of reducing vibrations. Dampening: Engaging in the act of making something damp (wet).

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +4

      Not to be “that guy” but:
      “Dampening: make less strong or intense.” For example: nothing could dampen her enthusiasm.
      It’s the second definition on Google. Not the first.
      In this instance the dampening is making the overtones of the drum less intense or weaker.
      But to your credit “damping” would work for this too, it just isn’t a term I hear drummers using so I went with the popular terminology.

  • @joshuagharis9017
    @joshuagharis9017 4 місяці тому +1

    It's a preference, music type and preference

  • @garysmith3173
    @garysmith3173 5 місяців тому +1

    Cloth and bulldog clips(binder clips)rule. (When needed)

  • @BeatsAndMeats
    @BeatsAndMeats 4 місяці тому +1

    I have a Tama Bell Brass snare. And its FUCKING LOUD. A rimshot get to 112db. That volume makes all the other drums ring enough that you can hear then in the overheads... so I use a 1/8 Moongel on all my toms to help keep them from ringing every time I hit the snare. I LOVE wide open drums however you need to always do what sounds best and it doesn't matter how you do it. Just make it sound good.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      100%! Also - I've always wanted to check out those bell brass snares.

    • @BeatsAndMeats
      @BeatsAndMeats 4 місяці тому +1

      @@TimBuellOh man! The best bang for your buck is the Gretsch USA Bell Brass. It’s about $1k and sounds GREAT! I have a Savage Drums Replica and a Tama Bell Brass Reissue and they sound slightly better but for 2x and 4x the cost respectively. Just get the Gretsch and you’ll probably never use another snare again.

  • @isMike999
    @isMike999 4 місяці тому +1

    I can get my snare to sound about 80% how I REALLY want it to sound.....I am afraid to tighten anymore...I like the snare to have a "pop" sound to it....not into the snare wire "slushy"
    sound like a marching band....

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Have you ever tried a kevlar/marching head on it? I haven't but have seen some do that for snares they REALLY want to crank.

  • @Lumerdrums
    @Lumerdrums 5 місяців тому +2

    I have mixed feelings about the whole dampening topic. As a drummer and audio engineer I came across various genres in music. And if a customer aims for that motown, early funk type of sound, I am dapening the hell out of the drums. It fits great to some genres or styles of playing. In other situations it doesn't fit at all. For myself I got the best sound under the microphones with a tiny bit of cotton wool in the toms and a good, predampened snare head for most of the music I record. You kinda need tuning skills in order to get the drums to resonate the way you want without dampening. For me it's important how the drums sound when they're mic'd up. This can be an entirely different sound from what you normally want behind the kit itself. I also noticed that novice drummers or drummers who don't know how to tune at all, tend to muffle the kit to death, because that's the way they deal with unpleasant overtones. If the style needs a more open/loud/resonant sound I think you shouldn't put too much on the heads. After all it's your personal taste whatever you do with your drums. I can only speak for my clients or the music I produced. And most of the time the audience likes a drum sound that is controlled but not dead. In music school the teachers should focus more on teaching the kids how to tune properly. I didn't learn this at all in 12 years of drum school and had to find a way to tune for myself or through youtube videos, but it's so damn important. I love how drastically you can improve your drumsound with proper tuning/heads. great video btw :)

    • @coder4liberty
      @coder4liberty 4 місяці тому +2

      It's been my experience that some drummers don't seem to realize they are in a band and the sound is about the music they are playing. I wouldn't say you have mixed feelings but that you know the sound is about the music not the individual player. If a guitar player comes in to play jazz and doesn't know better than to crank up the distortion like they are on stage with Slipnot everyone knows that doesn't fit. If a drummer comes in to record fast metal and five minutes after the song is over their drums are still ringing (okay exaggeration but you know what I mean) that doesn't work either.
      it's just as inappropriate and a sure way to get their drums replaced with samples. I presented that scenario to someone in a drummer group on Facebook and they claimed it was up to the engineer to "gate" the drums if they rang too much. I told him that in reality they were going to talk behind his back that he didn't know what gig he was at.

    • @Lumerdrums
      @Lumerdrums 4 місяці тому +2

      exactly this. As I grew and played with much larger bands/choirs I kinda learned to tame my ego as a player and play more with the actual band rather than for myself. And that also showed in my drum sound. Tune/dampen for what the song/style needs. The claim that the engineer needs to "gate" the drums in order to make them sound good is hilarious. But I've came along this too. I repectfully help tuning their drums when we are in a recording environment and 99% of the time they are much more happy with their sound, without having to unnaturally gate the sh.. out of the drums. I kinda understand tho, that drummers who have no clue about recording/mics don't really give a damn, because they don't know better. On the other hand they should not complain about the sound that much, when they are not interested in how to produce a certain sound quality :D@@coder4liberty

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      I couldn't agree more that music teachers should focus WAY MORE on touch/tone/tuning than they do. It's something that no one really taught me but was always motivated enough to just tweak and tweak and experiment until I found what I was hearing in my head.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      Agreed that it is SUPER important to always remember the drums are a part of the equation of the "music" everything needs to add up to. Easy to forget when you've practiced alone a bunch to play along tracks and stuff. That's why getting out and playing with as many people as possible is so important!

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      Taming the ego is KEY. But one of the hardest things to do. haha But until you do you'll always be fighting an uphill battle.

  • @marinusjm
    @marinusjm 4 місяці тому +1

    I used to use coated heads on the resonate side of my toms when I played acoustic drums ( now I,m an e-drummer). The soundguys were extremely happy with that. But also for me behind the kit, it was a sonic ‘garden of Eden’😂. Try it sometime.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Yep! I have a floor tom that has a coated head on the reso side. It's a great trick!

  • @roycox4415
    @roycox4415 4 місяці тому +2

    Nothing wrong with dampening drums. I saw a clip with Taylor Hawkins recording for the fighters and butch vig had tape all over his drums. I’d say there are a lot of people, including Dave grohl, in that studio that definitely know what they are doing. It’s all preference and situational

  • @els1f
    @els1f 5 місяців тому +1

    "Is that guitarist palm-muting? That's lame! They should learn to play" Lol I hate when people take an art form and try to attach rules to something. I love learning about how Neil Peart or John Bohnam did what they did, but that doesn't make it a "rule" just another option IDK

  • @opietaylor5778
    @opietaylor5778 4 місяці тому +1

    I’m in the cant tune camp… but sorry my rings, tape, and moon gels sound cool so feel free to tune them for me but my drums are to high pitched without it I can’t stand it. 😊

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      I hear ya! Tuning is a GREAT skill to work on. I recommend setting aside some time to just mess around with tuning (not actually playing drums) and just experiment with stuff. Have a particular sound in mind you are trying to achieve and mess around with it until you get closer and closer. Experimentation is key!

    • @opietaylor5778
      @opietaylor5778 4 місяці тому

      @@TimBuell yeah that’s why I have them where I’m at. I have a very old set of Yamaha stage customs and this guy I know who’s actually knows how to tune tuned them for me once I couldn’t stand it they’re way to high pitched and I hate the sound. So I’ve got duct tape on one with gels and rings and gels on the floor toms lol now they’re nice and deep and i like it and still get rebound off of them. Lol

    • @opietaylor5778
      @opietaylor5778 4 місяці тому

      @@TimBuell I’m sure I’m doing it wrong but I’ll try some experiments and see if I can figure something else out lol

  • @toastermon2272
    @toastermon2272 4 місяці тому +1

    The only sin in terms of dampening is anything tape/glue related, cause these just get nasty and if you want to change the tone of your drum quickly, it's just not ideal.
    Generic "silicone mute pads" are 4 bucks for a pack of 12 and will work infinitely better than tape.
    Everything else is fair game, we had one song that just begged for a kitchen towel dead snare, as long is it fits the sound, the drum is just another instrument. Look how many effects other musicians can use, it'd be silly not to enhance the musical capabilities of your instrument.

  • @alandanielw
    @alandanielw 5 місяців тому +2

    Cotton balls in my floor Tom, and slight kick dampening- that’s all I got

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +2

      I tried the cotton ball inside the drum thing - I never could quite get it to do what I want and I change drums/tuning so much that it wasn't a super sustainable practice for me. But cotton balls are a very similar mindset to the cloth I talk about with the binder clips.

    • @charlesfarran1717
      @charlesfarran1717 5 місяців тому +1

      Who cares. If you like dampening, then damp them. Of you like an open sound,don’t dampen. Simples!😊

  • @stephanmarcouxdrums4877
    @stephanmarcouxdrums4877 5 місяців тому +2

    Yikes, tuning and dampening are not the same thing at all. It's for the same goal of obtaining a great sound, it doesn't mean it's the same. I know it because I was muffling and choking everything as a beginner. It kills the overtone, and yes people that cannot tune properly are going to have disonnance and overtone, until a 0-ring or Duct Tape comes over it to hide it. Dampening is a fancy word. A professional can use muffling, but to pretend that putting some cloth or moongel is the same as tuning, I disagree. I've learn to tune a guitare before trying to put the same harmonic on each lug of a tom. Open sound or choking sound preference is one thing, but a beginner mad because he cannot tuned properly and turn to muffling for a solution, or try to copy a drum sound coming from an album with triggers, compressors, and all that fake artificial make up. Also, not a fan of that overhead position. As an artist, our sound become our personnality and we are not willing to change from very open to very choke, just going to decline the music that doesn't fit.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      For me, tuning and dampening go hand in hand. I believe I said in the video they are two sides of the same coin.
      Agreed, some people struggling with tuning will use dampening to compensate. That’s why I say in the video if you want an open resonant sound you need to know how to hit and tune a drum really well.
      But at the end of the day there are times when a drum sounds AMAZING in the room, but different under a microphone (live or in studio) and at that point part of what getting the drum in tune/sounding best will be to dampen enough to fine tune the drum for how it sounds under the mic.

  • @HiltonHeslop
    @HiltonHeslop 5 місяців тому +2

    I put a cotton ball in my Tom’s for overtones …

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Yep! That does the trick for some.

  • @johnbmx4christ
    @johnbmx4christ 4 місяці тому +1

    I'm the guy in the middle. But i bet if you ask the guys against dampening at all, still have something inside the bass drum.

  • @klauth_Yksyn
    @klauth_Yksyn 5 місяців тому +1

    Dampening IS the secret sauce. 👌

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      Big agree.

  • @thebarak
    @thebarak 4 місяці тому +3

    It's damping. Dampening means adding water.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      I can totally appreciate the desire for correct vocabulary/grammar. But I didn't decide on the term, the industry did. If you search "drum damping" on google it just shows results for "'drum dampening". Even if you are correct, language evolves as people use it, and this is an evolution I've decided not to fight. haha

    • @thebarak
      @thebarak 4 місяці тому

      @@TimBuell Sadly you are correct. Usage drives language evolution. Let's just agree to keep the garden hose away!

  • @elijahsacco
    @elijahsacco 5 місяців тому +1

    Every week or so there's a smoothbrain boomer in Drummers Universe or Drums & Drummers who'll make a post that goes something like:
    "Today's drummers use too much dampening because they're panzies who dont have enough drive and passion to learn how to tune! Dampening is the way of a beginner! I've played gigs for 45 years and have NEVER put anything on or inside ANY of my drums! If you use dampening you aren't a pro drummer! Any dampening or muffling is plain wrong! Just my two cents 😉"
    And then they get all confrontational and start speaking in cliches and metaphors when people start shitting on them in the comments.
    Pro Tip: you can almost always tell how old someone is by the amount of exclamation points and capitalized words that are in the post. Improper use of emojis is also a dead giveaway. Don't take anyone seriously who says shit like "Muffling is WRONG!" and has the profile picture of a bedroom drummer in his 50s going through his 3rd divorce and 6th DUI.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      Hahaha. You really painted a picture here.
      I will say I’ve heard every generation of drummer spread this particular myth.

  • @bigbaby9189
    @bigbaby9189 4 місяці тому +1

    Tune your drums then dampen. Shitty sounding drums kind of sound shitty but better with tea towels etc. well tuned drums can be open or dampened depending on the music you’re playing and sound great either way

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      Agreed - it's all about the music. One of my favorite drums is a Ludwig from the 80s that has the original heads on it and no dampening. It only works at a specific tuning and the drum isn't right for most stuff - but when it is it's GREAT.

  • @KyleThurmanMusic
    @KyleThurmanMusic 5 місяців тому +1

    use your ears! and just enjoy what youre playing. wherever your tuning takes you

  • @nickobergshow
    @nickobergshow 4 місяці тому +1

    Bet you use the D.E.N.N.I.S. system to tune your drums!

  • @Mystninja
    @Mystninja 4 місяці тому +2

    Your using the wrong guitar strings for that kick drum

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      I'll swap for flatwounds next time!

  • @mghc7
    @mghc7 4 місяці тому +1

    Tip of the day…If you can’t tune a drum use hydraulic heads anyone can tune those haha

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      hahha. TRUE. Those things are insane.

  • @mrmisfit635
    @mrmisfit635 4 місяці тому +1

    Dampening is alright, but tape doesn't really belong on drums.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому +1

      I actually agree that tape isn't my favorite way to dampen a drum 9 times out of 10. But, moon gel is kinda a more expensive version of tape. So I say use whatever works and makes sense for you!

  • @MrFchank
    @MrFchank 5 місяців тому +4

    I never dampen my drums. I use an Aquarian Super Kick on my bass drum. That's it. I feel dampening ruins the sound of the drum. Just my choice. To each their own.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      To each their own. 🫡

    • @si1995gtnupe1997
      @si1995gtnupe1997 5 місяців тому +1

      The Super Kick head has built in damping via the floating muffling ring.

  • @ericterry7117
    @ericterry7117 5 місяців тому +1

    i say let the wood rezzz

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      When it’s the right choice for the song I LOVE it.

  • @bonzology322
    @bonzology322 5 місяців тому +1

    The only thing that matters is what serves the song. Next

  • @garysmith5508
    @garysmith5508 5 місяців тому +1

    It all depends on the room.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      For me it all depends on the song I’m working on and the microphone set up.
      Live or in the studio, if drums are mic’ed, sometimes how the drum sounds “in the room” is VERY different than under the mics.

  • @Wildebeast27
    @Wildebeast27 5 місяців тому +1

    i hate sticky dampening

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому +1

      Yeah. I should’ve mentioned that cloth/alternate dampening methods have a “no residue” benefit as well!

  • @mykneeshurt8393
    @mykneeshurt8393 5 місяців тому +2

    My drums sound best when I don't play them...

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Hahaha. Nah! Don’t be too hard on yourself.

  • @rjagger1395
    @rjagger1395 5 місяців тому +1

    More noise ,,,

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      Drums are very noisy. Haha

  • @fluturisialbine2585
    @fluturisialbine2585 4 місяці тому +1

    pink floyd drummer never did that !

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      I'm not super familiar with the intricacies of Pink Floyd but if you go to the r/pink floyd Reddit you can see several pictures of Nick Mason using various kinds of dampening. For what it's worth.

    • @fluturisialbine2585
      @fluturisialbine2585 4 місяці тому

      @@TimBuell i belive you! at least in one clip he tested his drum set which sounds terrible but he said it s ok!

  • @stevenbatke2475
    @stevenbatke2475 4 місяці тому +1

    Dampening is a style. It’s like palm muting on guitar. It has a purpose.
    In the end, it either serves the song, serves the production style, or it doesn’t.
    Another annoying purist debate, is when bassist cry about using a pick.
    Get over yourself, and make the best music possible.

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  4 місяці тому

      AGREED. Some things need the "pick bass thing" and nothing else you do will give it that thing.

  • @Mooredrumming4Jesus
    @Mooredrumming4Jesus 4 місяці тому +1

    There is no one size fits all, depends on genre, setting etc.

  • @NintenDub
    @NintenDub 2 місяці тому

    Creating a safe space......
    What happened to men?

  • @fartpooboxohyeah8611
    @fartpooboxohyeah8611 2 місяці тому

    Wow, holy compression! Your voice hurts my ears! What's with all the compression? I can't even stay to watch the video.

  • @rjagger1395
    @rjagger1395 5 місяців тому +2

    Another dumb drum. Video , only instrument over past 20 years that has become all about the gear and sound ,, your THE INSTRument ,, let me see your soul ,,great player can play on anything ,,,it’s about the music ,,,,

    • @TimBuell
      @TimBuell  5 місяців тому

      I think every instrument has a good bit of inherent “gear talk” (guitar pedals are probably the first that comes to mind).
      But I actually make this point in the video - all your favorite drummer sound good no matter what they play because they know how to hit and tune a drum.
      And I totally agree - do what’s right for the music!