No one should be attacking his children. But he is part of the problem with down right lies and rhetoric. It’s also part of the reason he lost his seat. No contrition, no real solutions just toxicity and divisive politics.
It's all very well Rees-Mogg having his Epiphany now, perhaps even apologising in his way, but he certainly wasn't saying any of that about the last 14 years before. He's never stopped trying to justify Brexit, in any form, even though all the facts, the evidence, has been presented continuously proving the economic disaster. Of course, deeply religious man that he is (a staunch Catholic), I expect he has been continuously asking for forgiveness (via his father confessor) for all the lies he told during his time as a parliamentarian. And anyone who believes he has really asked for forgiveness for those sins needs their head examined.
Rees-Mogg was always part of the problem, never part of the solution. Why is it that dishonest people always call for more honesty in others? May he usefully live out his life in well deserved obscurity.
Rees-Mogg is one of the many privileged who think that sovereignty elevates them over the rest of Europe and most of the workers in England. These men felt diminished by a Brussels government, whom we were part of and the laws we voted for. The privilege the membership gave us was irreplaceable, their little feelings were hurt because they felt someone was telling them what to do. ERG , what a joke. The conmen should be held accountable and for Rees-Mogg to say how much he enjoys politics is unbelievable. There were so many opportunities when we were part of the EU. So, Professor I'm a little stuffed full of Mogg and Farage and Boris and Rabb and Gove and Hunt and Shapps...... By the way, the little boats came because of Brexit which I know you know.
I am rather surprised by your apparent admiration for Farage and in particular for Rees-Mogg, albeit that you seem to confine your assessment to one of their theatricality and charisma. Rees-Mogg is most definitely NOT "honest", nor straightforward. He is an opportunistic grifter, and although he is admittedly articulate, he is essentially a sophist who resorts to casuistry in order to make his point. Politics is not an end-of-the-pier show to be judged by its entertainment value. Really prof, this is not your usual incisive stuff.
Yes, ha-ha! BTW that for me recalls Pol in Quiller Memorandum, when he meets the eponymous agent at the Olympiastadion in Berlin: "Impressive isn't it ? Built by Werner in 1936. For the Olympics. It holds one hundred thousand people. Certain well-known personalities used to stand, right up there. Must have been quite noisy. One hundred thousand people - all cheering. Wouldn't you say ? Yes, quite noisy."
JRM is an absolute disgrace I’m sure he’s polite one on one but his behaviour and attitude towards migrants and brexit have been very questionable. I feel sorry for his son but he’s also putting them on tv for the world and social media to be privy to. If he cared about his son genuinely he’d be careful with his own choices. They are very good at playing the villain and throwing shade but when it comes to it being thrown back they play the victim. They should be kinder and not be hypocritical. They both don’t call out the violence against other peoples children and families so they shouldn’t expect sympathy from others. Forgive me Tim Liz has no skills whatsoever she’s a vacant puppet on a string. Wooden and self awareness. JRM lied over brexit and to the late queen so he’s dishonest in my view.
It's interesting that you think Mr Farage and Sir Mogg have charisma, in the blunt sense maybe they do but you can't trust a word that comes out of there mouths, same with Lady Thatcher. I decided a long while ago that I would rather have honesty and truthfulness than Charisma. I enjoy your talks as they make me think about my philosophy of life😊
I can't say I share your admiration of JRM. He's lied and obfuscated about Brexit and it's so-called benefits for years, and consistently comes across as pompous, entitled, arrogant and condescending. I genuinely can't stand to listen to him speak for more than a minute or two before I have to turn him off. The man has all the rizz of a rotting fish.
I tried to imagine Margaret Thatcher as. Madame butterfly Life for me was horrible during her reign As for mogg I found him equably horrible So much so I could not warm to him even being Cremated together
Thanks 👍 for the video Professor Tim . I personally disagree with you on this one these 2 horrible Narcissistic human beings have a lot of blood on their hands in reality and neither of them will ever express regret or remorse for their actions.
You comment on how good these guys are on TV - as standing politicians - they shouldn`t be on TV talk shows......... I wouldn`t watch their propaganda if you paid me.
We all thought that the tories were out of touch with the real world, Nothing showed it a plain as a pikestaff as the absolute shambles with Rowanda, It was never going to work. The waste of millions was/is beyond comptrhension
Rees Mogg's large business losses not being spoken about. Somerset Capital his fund management company lost the St James Place mandate which turned out to be a disproportionate part of their fee income. V bad management led to failure of Somerset
I agree with your perspective on charisma. There are rare cases of brilliant politicians that didn't have a lot of charisma but could overcome it because they were incredibly talented, had a strong vision and were exceptionally competent. Clement Atlee and president Calvin Coolidge comes to mind. They were not perfect like no politician is, but it cannot be denied their tenures as leaders were exceptional overall. But they were men of action over words and not hot air and peacocking to get a pat on the back, they rolled up their sleeves and did what needed to be done exceptionally competently.
I don't see anything straightforward about Rees Mogg. Everything about him is a performance - almost in the same way as Gilbert and George. If his views were not so obnoxious he might be entertaining. But he isn't. However, attacking his son is wholly unexceptable.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with your assessment of Rees-Mogg to me he exudes distrust, and he is also a living example that a posh accent is no guarantee of intelligence. I believe he is as mercenary and heartless as any Tory politician and resembles a villain from a Dickens novel.
What you need to do after telling us all how wonderful Boris et al are intelligent, charismatic and erudite is to Don a big red nose and large floppy shoes
Farage and Jacob, two sides of the same coin, both busy sinking to the lowest truth denominator. I'm not religious, but in the case of a practicing catholic such as Mogg, he will do well to remember the 7th and 8th catholic commandments and what somebody said about camels and the eye of needles, innit.
There is a clip of Anderson who was in a select committee questioning some head of police, which could have been Rowley, but regardless who it was, he seriously made himself look so stupid. Now he does not do it on purpose and did not realise how stupid what he was saying sounded, but the tip is, make damn sure you know your subject before accusing someone like that. It was to do with the right to protest. Anderson forgot we have that right.
I don't care who makes good tele. I want competent politicians. Stop falling down the Andrew Marr rabbit hole of thinking we should fall over ourselves to love the theatrics.
He gets part of the way there. All this resolves to how do we deal with power. Honestly and direction can help, but it cannot be limited to just public life. That's not enough. I would suggest this to be the starting point, the Ground Zero: Power ONLY yields to power. It only yields to reason voluntarily. I think that puts the initial challenges into perspective and should reveal just how enormous it is. Why? Because the people who 'own' the world and therefore have all the power have no intention of giving it up. They may compromise in some aspects for whatever reason, to pacify a discontented people or they are just not fussed, but they do not give up their power either way without a brutal fight. And that is where I think we are after centuries if not thousands of years of bloody conflict much of which we recently devoted to trying to prize power from the hands of dictatorial power. And we haven't got to the 'invisible' power and the people who own or control it yet. Practically, short of a world wide movement popping out of the woodwork overnight, all we can do is keep chipping away in whatever way we can. Politically we can learn much from the Scandinavians as evidence that socialist/capitalist systems can work more beneficially for everyone. Living successful examples. Unfortunately, our history makes it much more difficult. We have a multi-layered historical Establishment that owns most of this country and has since William the Conqueror, and we do not have PR. Remember when May stood up in Parliament, jabbed her finger at Corbyn and shouted "we will never let you form a government". She wasn't just talking to him. This was a message to anyone challenging the Establishment, from the Establishment, and they were deadly serious. Labour had got too close. We just have to keep shipping away...
Yes, admitting the "Tories got it wrong" is pretty weak given the election results. Rees-Mogg is blaming it on them not being right-wing enough, but if they had been further right, they would have been in Reform/UKIP territory, and things would have just been even worse for everyone concerned.
We don't need MPs to be charismatic - we need good leaders capable of good governance. What's depressing prof is you repeatedly saying that charisma is what makes a good leader - it doesn't.
Is his son politically active online, I doubt it but Rees Mogg should say. I mention this because he has been photographed taking his son to Parliament and to Chequers.
So what if he is? I was very active and the vice-chair of a political party at that age - but that doesn't mean that I would have expected or deserved hate mail and death threats. The ONLY answer to this is to report them to the police - the sooner that lots of people get done for this the better. And I really frankly don't give a 4X what their politics is - attacking young people online and sending hate mail is not the behaviour of a civilised democracy - as many MPs said when they retired sick of it all last time.
Hitler had charisma too…. If you possess it, it’s what you do with it that matters. If you use it to brighten lives like Vera Lynn did that’s very wholesome but to use a natural talent to make many lives worse that’s unforgivable.
I wouldn't argue for the importance of Charisma myself. I'm intrigued how you argue for the importance of Charisma and be a committed EU supporter. The EU is essentially technocratic I would have thought.
Not overly in love with Rees-Mogg - but seriously - WTAF is wrong with people that they contact his son and sends hate mail - that is horrendous and they should be shamed - and their emails sent to the police and dealt with accordingly!
So, SirJacob is more charismatic and Honest, than the rest of the Tories. DuhI would rather have a boring politician who was Honest! What are the. Chances of that?
You like Rees Mogg now professor don’t you? 😂😂. As I have said you are part of the problem. He is VERY dishonest, to say otherwise is simply ridiculous!
Appalling to hear this about J RM son. What motivates an adult, one presumes an adult, to do such a deplorable thing? Truly awe full. Well commented. No matter what one’s views of J RM he his polite and very straight forward. This said, ‘lolling’ on a bench in the chamber was remarkably stupid if not rather ignorant.
Tim you don't have to agree with their views to like them, I loved Tony Benn but totally disagree wtih his views apart from Brexit, I also think George Galloway is another superb orator but do not share his views apart from Brexit.
@@DropdudeJohn They were stated before we even had the referendum, you called it Project fear; delays at the border, damage to trade, damage to the economy, skills shortages... need I go on?
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Oh come off it, Prof. Rees-Smug is a throwback to nineteenth century entitlement, and so out of touch with reality that his very name and image sours the milk (even when kept in the fridge). Of course his son shouldn't be receiving insults . . . but I've seen more pics of him and his old man in the media than I care to list. He was trawled around by R-M, to be shown how well his dad was doing, and where. There are photos of him in parliament, too. Rees-Smug represents much of what is wrong with modern Conservative thinking. It is firmly stuck in the past, and refuses to appreciate that the empire we once ruled has long gone, and our nearest mass-market is on our doorstep, not further afield.
3:45 Perhaps they are ''relegated to the sidelines'' because the gift of charisma is the only gift they have! Certainly Farage is charismatic (also mendacious, opportunistic and uncaring), but Rees Mogg is a caricature. He holds the attention as an object of ridicule, his Upper Class Twit persona tries and fails to disguise the paucity of substance beneath.
One LBC debate was enough for me. I would only watch another Rees-Mogg/O'Brien Collab, if it was framed as a 70s style buddy cop show. They could pursue Michele Money (Baroness Greenback) cross country in Jacob's Silver Cloud. Edit: Harassing children for the politics of their parents is truly despicable.
I think it is more about respect than Charisma. I think we have seen the demise of integrity amongst politicians across the board. Years ago I could respect politicians without agreeing with them, people like Tony Benn, Harold Wilson, James Callaghan, Dennis Healey, Dennis Skinner. I have never been a Labour voter but they had my respect because they held honest opinions and beliefs that they stood by.
I'm neither surprised or shocked by the act towards Jacob Rees Mogg is out of sorts over his son and treating his offspring as some have done! I don't accept laying the sins of the Father on his son. I prefer to direct the fire at Jacob Rees Mogg, not at his offspring. You will have to forgive me, Professor! I have a greater history about JRM ! I simply don't trust him! Full stop!
Rees Mogg’s affability is a two-bit facade so obvious I find it ridiculous that anyone capable of insight should fall for it. There is no affability in that smugness that lounged back in a chair and drawled to Nick Ferrari: “you and I would have been smart enough to ignore the advice of the firefighters.” How anyone can find him affable just because he has cultured a very banal kind of foppish self-depreciation is the reason he got as far as he did in politics - though no further. Whenever he s asked really awkward questions he turns very nasty. I’m amazed you haven’t noticed. Oh well… doff your hat thingamajig, eh?
Don't have a go at little ones 100 percent. Rise in child poverty, Mr Mogg. I don't like anything about him, he is sly and condescending. Sorry Professor.
Of course it's abhorrent but these goons made this sort of thing their political lode star. The enemy wins when they start using our words. For example using the word news when it is propaganda gives it the patina of respectability. This is anti-politics by an affable charismatic Non-Journalist. I think we've had enough of entertainers. Elsewhere 'normal people' are getting death threats. Supertanksiii, elsewhere is receiving daily death threats.
Reality changes for Mogg. If he could eat a biscuit for every time he orates his analysis of whatever takes his fancy, he'd be morbidly overweight. I feel sorry for his son, because Mogg raises ire in people that see just how detached that relic is from a shared reality throughout the world outside the selfish cocoon he lives in. I hope his son is capable of expressing and demonstrating, parsing a shared reality. He doesn't listen to the room - a tory thing? Then the effort goes to where he WILL listen. Perhaps Tim you see an allure that has proven toxic for some. I like the oration of a well-spoken argument, but he's championed outrageous self-harming hubris that stripped his mantle of MP, rightfully. The 'relic' is irrelevant. Your attraction to him is something i recognize, as he did have his moments. He let it go to his head, though.
A deterrant works because the outcome is undesired. Going to Rwanda was not meant to be a picnic, it was meant to deter people from entering the country illegally. If you want to stop illegal activity you cannot reward it with success, otherwise it will continue. You also cannot reward it with changing the law to make the process easier as many have argued for, as that gives licence to any group to just ignore laws that they dislike to apply pressure for a change. Imagine that standard being applied to any other situation. Hundreds of thousands of rapes happen every year, does that mean women's standards for men are too high? Should women collectively lower their standards to prevent rapes, after all most men don't want to be rapists they just want to have sex consentually but they're not allowed to so they're forced into a life or rape. Let's all feel sorry for the rapists because they have been driven to rape by women that wont share their bodies with them...and why should women have a right to withhold their body? They don't have their body by choice or effort on their own part, they were just lucky enough to have been born into that body. Why should they have access to it and no others? You obviously don't agree with the above because it would be insane...but that is the exact same reasoning as those that argue we should allow in illegal migrants, and that illegal migrants are just proof that we're too strickt. Borders are there to keep dangerous people out. To make sure that people are not dangerous then they need to enter legally. If they cannot enter legally then they should not be here. That is it. Whatever the measures needed to keep them out is justified because we cannot determine if they are a threat and the duty of the state is to keep their people safe from foreigners. This is how insane the migration argument has gotten. Its no longer even arguing over an appropriate number of people which is an important thing to consider, its now a case that opposing allowing in anyone that could be a danger is considered extremist. As an aside, regardless of whatever anyone thinks about the numbers of migrants that should come here yearly the issue is that migration as a solution is completely unsustainable and we are causing a lot of damage and suffering for a solution that will fall apart. The current solution is to invite migrants due to our low fertility, however the more we invite the quicker the population increased, that means the more elderly we will have in 30 years. Migrants drop in fertility when here thus we will need more migrants to cover for the retired population that includes millions of migrants...only we are not the sole country looking at this solution. Every developed country is settling on this solution and thus what will happen in 50 years? When the population of all the developed countries has increased due to migration to the point that there are no longer enough migrants to cover these labour demands? What happens then? Then consider that every developed economy has a fertility issue...that means in order to feed our population needs we require poverty in the places with the highest fertility. We can't risk them becoming safe and successful places as then people are not going to migrate from them...do you think that the leaders of the west will not consider this in their game of politics? You know, the heirs of people that engaged in slavery and colonialism, and the people that ignore human suffering now? So you have western economies that require humans to be exported to them, they have every incentive to continue the flow of human cargo and every incentive to prevent any pull factors from developing. In other words we are trapped in a neo-slave trade whereby for our economic systems we must strip the third world of their human capital, plus strip mine them for talent that is much more expensive for them to produce. So how will this end? There is not infinate migrants. The collapse that is being deferred by migration is coming no matter what, all that we are doing in the meantime is creating more division in the country, more faultlines for when the system comes crashing down.
sounds like you miss them, sucking up all the oxygen. shame. would think a person with your awareness would be glad to see the back of them too. agreed we need some more honesty and straightforwardness in politics today but not from the likes of the charlatans you laud in this video. time for some new voices don't you think?
Sorry, Mogg has no charisma, likewise Pinocchio Johnson had no charisma, he was a performing clown, thats different to having charisma. And Farage is another that has no charisma, as we saw when he was in the jungle with others with personalities it showed us that Farage is a boring old fart.
After his performance over the 14 years of Tory government, Rees-Mogg should step down from political life.
No one should be attacking his children. But he is part of the problem with down right lies and rhetoric. It’s also part of the reason he lost his seat. No contrition, no real solutions just toxicity and divisive politics.
But he's a Christian whom is God should be well pleased , shouldn't be .🤗
A fact that is contrary to ones beliefs, or ones wishes, is not a "lie", chucky-egg.
Politics is, de facto, divisive.
rees mogg called all the people who died at grenfell uninteligent , he is an awful man
OMG did he really say that?!
@@AdastraRecordings Yes, he said they should have ignored the Fire Brigade.
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I can't understand why he can't take a hint. Just go quietly Jacob.
Honesty from Rees- Mogg,the man who lied to the late Queen regarding the proroguing of Parliament.
lol- well, certainly convincing
The head of the privy council should be a respected figure, not a crony from the ruling party.
A former PM. John Major at that time.
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It's all very well Rees-Mogg having his Epiphany now, perhaps even apologising in his way, but he certainly wasn't saying any of that about the last 14 years before.
He's never stopped trying to justify Brexit, in any form, even though all the facts, the evidence, has been presented continuously proving the economic disaster.
Of course, deeply religious man that he is (a staunch Catholic), I expect he has been continuously asking for forgiveness (via his father confessor) for all the lies he told during his time as a parliamentarian.
And anyone who believes he has really asked for forgiveness for those sins needs their head examined.
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Beg to differ: Mogg the master of subterfuge and dissembler par excellence
Like BJ?
Mogg is a complete spoofer .
JRM is anything but straightforward. If you are distracted by his affectations, then you are more of a fool than I guessed.
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This, if I remember correctly, is the worm that lied to the queen to prorogue parliament.
Yes, that very worm.
The queen believed him go figure. Maybe she wanted it to happen. Asking for a friend
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Rees-Mogg was always part of the problem, never part of the solution. Why is it that dishonest people always call for more honesty in others? May he usefully live out his life in well deserved obscurity.
If Rees-Mogg and Ferage are stright forward with carisma then we live in a currupt country
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Rees Mogg is history and should be confined in the Tower awaiting trial.
I have no idea where you see the charisma in Mogg though.
Stop giving him airtime PLEASE
Rees-Mogg is one of the many privileged who think that sovereignty elevates them over the rest of Europe and most of the workers in England.
These men felt diminished by a Brussels government, whom we were part of and the laws we voted for. The privilege the membership gave us was irreplaceable, their little feelings were hurt because they felt someone was telling them what to do. ERG , what a joke.
The conmen should be held accountable and for Rees-Mogg to say how much he enjoys politics is unbelievable. There were so many opportunities when we were part of the EU.
So, Professor I'm a little stuffed full of Mogg and Farage and Boris and Rabb and Gove and Hunt and Shapps...... By the way, the little boats came because of Brexit which I know you know.
I am rather surprised by your apparent admiration for Farage and in particular for Rees-Mogg, albeit that you seem to confine your assessment to one of their theatricality and charisma. Rees-Mogg is most definitely NOT "honest", nor straightforward. He is an opportunistic grifter, and although he is admittedly articulate, he is essentially a sophist who resorts to casuistry in order to make his point. Politics is not an end-of-the-pier show to be judged by its entertainment value. Really prof, this is not your usual incisive stuff.
Yes a certain Austrian was also well known for his charisma...
Yes, ha-ha!
BTW that for me recalls Pol in Quiller Memorandum, when he meets the eponymous agent at the Olympiastadion in Berlin:
"Impressive isn't it ? Built by Werner in 1936. For the Olympics. It holds one hundred thousand people. Certain well-known personalities used to stand, right up there. Must have been quite noisy. One hundred thousand people - all cheering. Wouldn't you say ? Yes, quite noisy."
JRM is an absolute disgrace I’m sure he’s polite one on one but his behaviour and attitude towards migrants and brexit have been very questionable. I feel sorry for his son but he’s also putting them on tv for the world and social media to be privy to. If he cared about his son genuinely he’d be careful with his own choices. They are very good at playing the villain and throwing shade but when it comes to it being thrown back they play the victim. They should be kinder and not be hypocritical. They both don’t call out the violence against other peoples children and families so they shouldn’t expect sympathy from others. Forgive me Tim Liz has no skills whatsoever she’s a vacant puppet on a string. Wooden and self awareness. JRM lied over brexit and to the late queen so he’s dishonest in my view.
It's interesting that you think Mr Farage and Sir Mogg have charisma, in the blunt sense maybe they do but you can't trust a word that comes out of there mouths, same with Lady Thatcher. I decided a long while ago that I would rather have honesty and truthfulness than Charisma. I enjoy your talks as they make me think about my philosophy of life😊
I can't say I share your admiration of JRM. He's lied and obfuscated about Brexit and it's so-called benefits for years, and consistently comes across as pompous, entitled, arrogant and condescending. I genuinely can't stand to listen to him speak for more than a minute or two before I have to turn him off. The man has all the rizz of a rotting fish.
Not dishonest - he just lies through his teeth
We need people to be held accountable for there're actions and prefabricated lies. 🇬🇧
I tried to imagine Margaret Thatcher as. Madame butterfly
Life for me was horrible during her reign
As for mogg I found him equably horrible
So much so I could not warm to him even being Cremated together
Well, he has shown us all empathy love and human kindness over the years.
I would JRM is dishonest. Certainly, he’s polite and well mannered and that’s what masks his dishonesty to so many people.
Thanks 👍 for the video Professor Tim . I personally disagree with you on this one these 2 horrible Narcissistic human beings have a lot of blood on their hands in reality and neither of them will ever express regret or remorse for their actions.
Hitler had a lot of charisma, doesn't mean you're a decent human. People just need to be honest and decent.
Well that's the PM a gonner then
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I always watch and enjoy your videos immensely. Thank you 🙏
I would hardly think saying a politician has charisma is a compliment. But then I am centerist.
You comment on how good these guys are on TV - as standing politicians - they shouldn`t be on TV talk shows......... I wouldn`t watch their propaganda if you paid me.
We all thought that the tories were out of touch with the real world, Nothing showed it a plain as a pikestaff as the absolute shambles with Rowanda, It was never going to work. The waste of millions was/is beyond comptrhension
Rees-Mogg isn't straightforward Professor. I recall during previous leadership contests how he'd change what he said according to how the wind blew.
My favourite view of Mogg was when he was on TV and got out his smartphone to prove a point. He had no idea what he was doing and failed miserably.
Vampires tend to be simple creatures.
The Tories made a mess,but no doubt he will have made millions!
Hopefully him and his cronies will never be in power again!
Great insights, Thank you Tim.
Rees Mogg's large business losses not being spoken about. Somerset Capital his fund management company lost the St James Place mandate which turned out to be a disproportionate part of their fee income. V bad management led to failure of Somerset
I agree with your perspective on charisma. There are rare cases of brilliant politicians that didn't have a lot of charisma but could overcome it because they were incredibly talented, had a strong vision and were exceptionally competent. Clement Atlee and president Calvin Coolidge comes to mind. They were not perfect like no politician is, but it cannot be denied their tenures as leaders were exceptional overall. But they were men of action over words and not hot air and peacocking to get a pat on the back, they rolled up their sleeves and did what needed to be done exceptionally competently.
I don't see anything straightforward about Rees Mogg. Everything about him is a performance - almost in the same way as Gilbert and George. If his views were not so obnoxious he might be entertaining. But he isn't. However, attacking his son is wholly unexceptable.
I'm afraid I have to disagree with your assessment of Rees-Mogg to me he exudes distrust, and he is also a living example that a posh accent is no guarantee of intelligence. I believe he is as mercenary and heartless as any Tory politician and resembles a villain from a Dickens novel.
I think it's very sad for anyone to attack his children. Surely they have suffered enough already.
Thanks Tim, a good video.
What you need to do after telling us all how wonderful Boris et al are intelligent, charismatic and erudite is to Don a big red nose and large floppy shoes
Those who talk like Normans have to live in castles and protect their family.
Just being nice instead is a lot better, and safer.
Farage and Jacob, two sides of the same coin, both busy sinking to the lowest truth denominator. I'm not religious, but in the case of a practicing catholic such as Mogg, he will do well to remember the 7th and 8th catholic commandments and what somebody said about camels and the eye of needles, innit.
Jacob's real skill is manipulation in a smug delivery
Mogg - the man who said that the Prime Minister (Boris) never lies.
never trust anyone who wears a hat indoors
Mogg went along with the conservative policies. The Rwanda stuff was never going to work and he backed his party.
There is a clip of Anderson who was in a select committee questioning some head of police, which could have been Rowley, but regardless who it was, he seriously made himself look so stupid. Now he does not do it on purpose and did not realise how stupid what he was saying sounded, but the tip is, make damn sure you know your subject before accusing someone like that. It was to do with the right to protest. Anderson forgot we have that right.
How dare he of all people talk about dishonesty! His brexit lies will scar this country for years to come.
I don't care who makes good tele. I want competent politicians. Stop falling down the Andrew Marr rabbit hole of thinking we should fall over ourselves to love the theatrics.
He gets part of the way there.
All this resolves to how do we deal with power. Honestly and direction can help, but it cannot be limited to just public life. That's not enough.
I would suggest this to be the starting point, the Ground Zero:
Power ONLY yields to power. It only yields to reason voluntarily.
I think that puts the initial challenges into perspective and should reveal just how enormous it is. Why? Because the people who 'own' the world and therefore have all the power have no intention of giving it up. They may compromise in some aspects for whatever reason, to pacify a discontented people or they are just not fussed, but they do not give up their power either way without a brutal fight.
And that is where I think we are after centuries if not thousands of years of bloody conflict much of which we recently devoted to trying to prize power from the hands of dictatorial power. And we haven't got to the 'invisible' power and the people who own or control it yet.
Practically, short of a world wide movement popping out of the woodwork overnight, all we can do is keep chipping away in whatever way we can. Politically we can learn much from the Scandinavians as evidence that socialist/capitalist systems can work more beneficially for everyone. Living successful examples.
Unfortunately, our history makes it much more difficult. We have a multi-layered historical Establishment that owns most of this country and has since William the Conqueror, and we do not have PR.
Remember when May stood up in Parliament, jabbed her finger at Corbyn and shouted "we will never let you form a government". She wasn't just talking to him. This was a message to anyone challenging the Establishment, from the Establishment, and they were deadly serious. Labour had got too close.
We just have to keep shipping away...
J RMogg is he not the stooge. for Boris to lie to the Queen
Some epitaph indeed
Yes, admitting the "Tories got it wrong" is pretty weak given the election results. Rees-Mogg is blaming it on them not being right-wing enough, but if they had been further right, they would have been in Reform/UKIP territory, and things would have just been even worse for everyone concerned.
Too late now. Reform filled the vacancy. Now it’s the rights turn to lose FPTP elections.
We don't need MPs to be charismatic - we need good leaders capable of good governance. What's depressing prof is you repeatedly saying that charisma is what makes a good leader - it doesn't.
Charismatic? Sinister, surely.
Hindsight is 20/20 vision. Would have been a lot better if he'd had it when the tories were in power.
Is his son politically active online, I doubt it but Rees Mogg should say. I mention this because he has been photographed taking his son to Parliament and to Chequers.
So what if he is? I was very active and the vice-chair of a political party at that age - but that doesn't mean that I would have expected or deserved hate mail and death threats.
The ONLY answer to this is to report them to the police - the sooner that lots of people get done for this the better. And I really frankly don't give a 4X what their politics is - attacking young people online and sending hate mail is not the behaviour of a civilised democracy - as many MPs said when they retired sick of it all last time.
Starmer is never seen with his children. He isn’t a President. They are not the First Family. That job remains with the monarchy .
Hitler had charisma too…. If you possess it, it’s what you do with it that matters. If you use it to brighten lives like Vera Lynn did that’s very wholesome but to use a natural talent to make many lives worse that’s unforgivable.
he did indeed
I wouldn't argue for the importance of Charisma myself. I'm intrigued how you argue for the importance of Charisma and be a committed EU supporter. The EU is essentially technocratic I would have thought.
Not overly in love with Rees-Mogg - but seriously - WTAF is wrong with people that they contact his son and sends hate mail - that is horrendous and they should be shamed - and their emails sent to the police and dealt with accordingly!
I think they have more important online crimes to deal with since the riots.
Yes, moggie,s Son has NOTHING to do with his father’s Political views.
So, SirJacob is more charismatic and Honest, than the rest of the Tories. DuhI would rather have a boring politician who was Honest! What are the. Chances of that?
He. really isn't a Man of the People, though is he?
Saatchi and Saatchi no doubt!
Smug admires trump, just let that sink it.
I notice he says We not He
If anyone’s interested, Trailfinders are amongst tour groups who do luxury trips to Rwanda.
You like Rees Mogg now professor don’t you? 😂😂. As I have said you are part of the problem. He is VERY dishonest, to say otherwise is simply ridiculous!
Appalling to hear this about J RM son. What motivates an adult, one presumes an adult, to do such a deplorable thing? Truly awe full.
Well commented. No matter what one’s views of J RM he his polite and very straight forward. This said, ‘lolling’ on a bench in the chamber was remarkably stupid if not rather ignorant.
Mogg is an awful human being.
Tim you don't have to agree with their views to like them, I loved Tony Benn but totally disagree wtih his views apart from Brexit, I also think George Galloway is another superb orator but do not share his views apart from Brexit.
i agree and I like your examples too
Was Rees-Mogg honest about the consequences of Brexit? I don't think so.
@@DropdudeJohn They were stated before we even had the referendum, you called it Project fear; delays at the border, damage to trade, damage to the economy, skills shortages... need I go on?
He said it would take 50 years to know whether it was good or bad. This from a politician tied to a 5 year election cycle.
@@DropdudeJohn Oh, just go to Dover and look at the traffic.
@@EbenBransome He said food and clothing would be cheaper and that we would get great trade deals.
@@nicholasbethell2921 Yes but it isn't 2066 yet, he might still be right by then.
4th is he has been cocky that he is the godsend.
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Oh come off it, Prof.
Rees-Smug is a throwback to nineteenth century entitlement, and so out of touch with reality that his very name and image sours the milk (even when kept in the fridge).
Of course his son shouldn't be receiving insults . . . but I've seen more pics of him and his old man in the media than I care to list. He was trawled around by R-M, to be shown how well his dad was doing, and where. There are photos of him in parliament, too.
Rees-Smug represents much of what is wrong with modern Conservative thinking. It is firmly stuck in the past, and refuses to appreciate that the empire we once ruled has long gone, and our nearest mass-market is on our doorstep, not further afield.
He could start by not putting his hoof's on the furniture.
3:45 Perhaps they are ''relegated to the sidelines'' because the gift of charisma is the only gift they have! Certainly Farage is charismatic (also mendacious, opportunistic and uncaring), but Rees Mogg is a caricature. He holds the attention as an object of ridicule, his Upper Class Twit persona tries and fails to disguise the paucity of substance beneath.
Reece-Mogg honest? He happily served in Boris's clown show of cabinet. I see the list of his crimes against integrity swells.
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One LBC debate was enough for me. I would only watch another Rees-Mogg/O'Brien Collab, if it was framed as a 70s style buddy cop show. They could pursue Michele Money (Baroness Greenback) cross country in Jacob's Silver Cloud.
Edit: Harassing children for the politics of their parents is truly despicable.
I think it is more about respect than Charisma. I think we have seen the demise of integrity amongst politicians across the board.
Years ago I could respect politicians without agreeing with them, people like Tony Benn, Harold Wilson, James Callaghan, Dennis Healey, Dennis Skinner.
I have never been a Labour voter but they had my respect because they held honest opinions and beliefs that they stood by.
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Matthew 19 verse 24.
I'm neither surprised or shocked by the act towards Jacob Rees Mogg is out of sorts over his son and treating his offspring as some have done! I don't accept laying the sins of the Father on his son. I prefer to direct the fire at Jacob Rees Mogg, not at his offspring.
You will have to forgive me, Professor! I have a greater history about JRM ! I simply don't trust him! Full stop!
Rees Mogg’s affability is a two-bit facade so obvious I find it ridiculous that anyone capable of insight should fall for it. There is no affability in that smugness that lounged back in a chair and drawled to Nick Ferrari: “you and I would have been smart enough to ignore the advice of the firefighters.” How anyone can find him affable just because he has cultured a very banal kind of foppish self-depreciation is the reason he got as far as he did in politics - though no further. Whenever he s asked really awkward questions he turns very nasty. I’m amazed you haven’t noticed. Oh well… doff your hat thingamajig, eh?
Not reporting on Russias advances ?
there are none
@ProfessorTimWilson not even along the frontline Advika? Is this channel intellectual propaganda
GB news ??? dont you mean RT yes russia today !
Don't have a go at little ones 100 percent. Rise in child poverty, Mr Mogg. I don't like anything about him, he is sly and condescending. Sorry Professor.
JRM is the worse human ive ever come across in my lifetime . He has no Charisma
I don’t think that charisma means what you think it means, prof.
Of course it's abhorrent but these goons made this sort of thing their political lode star. The enemy wins when they start using our words. For example using the word news when it is propaganda gives it the patina of respectability. This is anti-politics by an affable charismatic Non-Journalist. I think we've had enough of entertainers. Elsewhere 'normal people' are getting death threats. Supertanksiii, elsewhere is receiving daily death threats.
Reality changes for Mogg. If he could eat a biscuit for every time he orates his analysis of whatever takes his fancy, he'd be morbidly overweight. I feel sorry for his son, because Mogg raises ire in people that see just how detached that relic is from a shared reality throughout the world outside the selfish cocoon he lives in. I hope his son is capable of expressing and demonstrating, parsing a shared reality. He doesn't listen to the room - a tory thing? Then the effort goes to where he WILL listen. Perhaps Tim you see an allure that has proven toxic for some. I like the oration of a well-spoken argument, but he's championed outrageous self-harming hubris that stripped his mantle of MP, rightfully. The 'relic' is irrelevant.
Your attraction to him is something i recognize, as he did have his moments. He let it go to his head, though.
Is reesy still alive? Or just bored and popping up for the sheer fun of spreading his "wisdom" 😂😂😂
A deterrant works because the outcome is undesired. Going to Rwanda was not meant to be a picnic, it was meant to deter people from entering the country illegally.
If you want to stop illegal activity you cannot reward it with success, otherwise it will continue. You also cannot reward it with changing the law to make the process easier as many have argued for, as that gives licence to any group to just ignore laws that they dislike to apply pressure for a change. Imagine that standard being applied to any other situation. Hundreds of thousands of rapes happen every year, does that mean women's standards for men are too high? Should women collectively lower their standards to prevent rapes, after all most men don't want to be rapists they just want to have sex consentually but they're not allowed to so they're forced into a life or rape. Let's all feel sorry for the rapists because they have been driven to rape by women that wont share their bodies with them...and why should women have a right to withhold their body? They don't have their body by choice or effort on their own part, they were just lucky enough to have been born into that body. Why should they have access to it and no others?
You obviously don't agree with the above because it would be insane...but that is the exact same reasoning as those that argue we should allow in illegal migrants, and that illegal migrants are just proof that we're too strickt.
Borders are there to keep dangerous people out. To make sure that people are not dangerous then they need to enter legally. If they cannot enter legally then they should not be here. That is it. Whatever the measures needed to keep them out is justified because we cannot determine if they are a threat and the duty of the state is to keep their people safe from foreigners.
This is how insane the migration argument has gotten. Its no longer even arguing over an appropriate number of people which is an important thing to consider, its now a case that opposing allowing in anyone that could be a danger is considered extremist.
As an aside, regardless of whatever anyone thinks about the numbers of migrants that should come here yearly the issue is that migration as a solution is completely unsustainable and we are causing a lot of damage and suffering for a solution that will fall apart.
The current solution is to invite migrants due to our low fertility, however the more we invite the quicker the population increased, that means the more elderly we will have in 30 years. Migrants drop in fertility when here thus we will need more migrants to cover for the retired population that includes millions of migrants...only we are not the sole country looking at this solution. Every developed country is settling on this solution and thus what will happen in 50 years? When the population of all the developed countries has increased due to migration to the point that there are no longer enough migrants to cover these labour demands? What happens then?
Then consider that every developed economy has a fertility issue...that means in order to feed our population needs we require poverty in the places with the highest fertility. We can't risk them becoming safe and successful places as then people are not going to migrate from them...do you think that the leaders of the west will not consider this in their game of politics? You know, the heirs of people that engaged in slavery and colonialism, and the people that ignore human suffering now?
So you have western economies that require humans to be exported to them, they have every incentive to continue the flow of human cargo and every incentive to prevent any pull factors from developing.
In other words we are trapped in a neo-slave trade whereby for our economic systems we must strip the third world of their human capital, plus strip mine them for talent that is much more expensive for them to produce.
So how will this end? There is not infinate migrants. The collapse that is being deferred by migration is coming no matter what, all that we are doing in the meantime is creating more division in the country, more faultlines for when the system comes crashing down.
Excellent. Another outstanding observation.
sounds like you miss them, sucking up all the oxygen. shame. would think a person with your awareness would be glad to see the back of them too. agreed we need some more honesty and straightforwardness in politics today but not from the likes of the charlatans you laud in this video. time for some new voices don't you think?
Rees-mogg is not honest
Sorry, Mogg has no charisma, likewise Pinocchio Johnson had no charisma, he was a performing clown, thats different to having charisma. And Farage is another that has no charisma, as we saw when he was in the jungle with others with personalities it showed us that Farage is a boring old fart.