99% of people would gain more by changing the bushings (if they have them) to 699 bearings or changing the OE bearings to ones with Non contact seals. Last week, one company released an OSPW with a bearing that was so large, it had more drag than a bottom bracket. And just consider how much load goes through a bottom bracket (rider weight) vs a chain tensioning device. Ludicrous.
A bike is not complete without an OSPW, ceramic bearings, dimpled carbon wheels, a specially coated chain from muc off in collaboration with gcn.. What else? Please add more best value for money products down below.
Even if you accept OSPWs do look better then surely this doesn’t apply when it has Muc off written on it. Imagine having a beautiful Dura ace or super record mech and adding something that looks like it was given away free with a magazine. Unless you see Ineos using these you can probably assume any claimed benefits are BS since they have Muc off as a sponsor and would go after the “marginal gains”
OSPW’s have mixed testing results, but Muc off is a sponsor, would it be better if it said ceramic speed on it, because all high end bike parts have logos on it wether its SRAM or Shimano etc.
@@mynock250 If Shimano did their own version and it was around £100 I might consider it. I would only be doing it to pimp my ride though as I ride for fun and have weight to lose before I’ll started caring about fancy bearings or weight weenie stuff or minor aero gains
Come on, it’s content like this that majorly compromises your credibility and weakens your other, often excellent content. Surely you can afford to be more discerning regarding advertised content and sponsors.
If these oversized pulley wheels are better then why doesn't Shimanno or Sram design their derailleurs with them? Obviously the "advantages" are BS even if some people think they are cooler looking. I think they look silly.
so shimano has just not the skills to make an oversized pulley wheel on their dura-ace? If it actually had any positive effect they would.. waste of money..
@@brankododig1585 if Shimano thought for one minute that OSPWs made any difference they would have developed one that shifted 100% the Dura Ace standard - they don't work, so they haven't
No, couldn't take a rider seriously with one of these. I think in 10yrs we'll be laughing at ourselves as a cycling community that we (some) lapped up this marketing pointless component and was fitted to bikes 😏
Can you replace the tension spring spindle on a Lingmai ospw cage for a Shimano 105 rear derailleur? I think mine is defective. It doesn't fit the Shimano 105 rear derailleur body.
The only benefits I heard in this well done video explaining how to disassemble a rear mech and add oversized pulleys was that; the oversized pulleys are more aerodynamic and they can increase chain efficiency. So if anything this would benefit backpacking bikers. Kudos to GCN Tech
@@stephenalivero4068 yes, you will save 1 watt at most, provided your chain is super clean. While bikepacking, any marginal gains from the oversized pulley will be more than offset by all the stuff that you will have to attach to your bicycle.
Oh come on Alex, you are losing all your credibility for the GCN Tech videos to come. GCN themselves have done videos explaining how this upgrade is not worth. Ok, Muc-Off is entering this market and sponsoring you, but try to maintain some integrity.
They are just showing how to install it because you might like the looks ;-) Seriously, watching all this marginal gains stuff (claimed or actual) I'm almost relieved that I'm too slow for stuff like that to matter. In older videos they demonstrate that tighter clothes or lower position gains more than changing parts of your bike that already work well.
If the reduction in chain friction is so important why not have a chainring the size of a dinner plate, and then you can have a nice 15-25 straight through cassette or even 16-26, get those gear ratios really close as well as reduce that chain friction.
Good video of actually how to install , but oversized pulley s are really for pro team s , most people aren't riding fast enough to need them , and the price like what ..... Most people would be better off getting a coach for a year for that sort of money and then they would really go faster
The pully wheel (upper) on my newly installed and upgrade derailleur on my trike doesn't seem to engage the chain very well in a couple of gears, it sounds like the teeth of the pully wheel are being slapped by the chain as it spins by, then you her a popping noise ever so often. My uneducated self tells me that adding a different pully wheel with another tooth or two would or might solve that problem, by forcing the wheel and chain to better engage. Might this be a common problem, my drive train is a collection of 9 speed parts from different makers.
Remember that's it never how good or fit as a cyclist you are, but how good you look. This is basically for people who are over compensating and suffering from the dreaded small penis syndrome. It is at pandemic level here on this side of the pond in Amerrrica!.
Can't add links to a chain? you sure about that pal? Seth's bike hacks built a chain using only quick-links and it was completely fine. You can most certainly lengthen your chain and end up with two sets of quick links without any issues.
This had to be pretty pride swallowing shooting this video. You've led us to believe that these jockey wheels are trash, but since this one says "Muc Off", it's now recommended...? We know you don't make the calls on content, but I hope you had a behind the scenes discussion with whoever decided to humiliate you. Hang in there bud 💪😎🇺🇸
I might be tempted to do this if (i) the oversized pulley wheel was made of carbon fibre (ii) cost at least ten thousand pounds and (iii) made no noticeable difference to my riding speed. Why did this video not establish the basics before bombarding us with instructions on how to get our hands dirty?
Just don't. Even a Acera RD-390 can handle a wider range than you need. Don't down Triple chainrings and 8 speeds.. Sold my 2020 TREK because 12 speed linear just demands triple gear jumps and doesn't have any top speed. 17-117 gear inches on my Opus kills it. Lastly.. They fail quicker when things go bad it's catastrophic. My 17t tension pulley broke and destroyed the cage it was a walk home.. I think the bearing failed. The Alivio derailleur I had went into the spokes a few time since 2013... But didn't last a week after this mod. Even a 11-13 in the stock cage did better with just sealed bearings.
These ospw brands are spending more on the display boxes than the shitty bit of carbon,ali,( “ceramic bearings “) and screws are worth. It’s a joke . But they look the biz 😂
#AskGCNTech - This question is more for Manon - In a recent video : The Brighter Side To Wet Weather | How To Enjoy Cycling In The Rain! What are you specifically wearing? You look like you would be more comfortable in the nasty weather than your riding mate, Hank. I really struggle to keep warmth in the body even with the work of riding. I figure I need something a lot better to wear so I’m trying to figure out what to get so I hope Manon can give me some insight to what she has as it might help me. Thank you.
Funny how Ineos who are supposedly the No 1 team into marginal games and are sponsored by muc off don't use them. Must be why they didn't win the tour or vuelta. Just another way for them to fleece money from you. Like the new lube at $1000/litre
Your chain pivots 180° each lap around no matter the size of your jockey wheels. So this amateur mechanical engineer needs help understanding. I do see that the bigger wheel might be heavier and have more drag. What about Campagnolo and Shimano? Do they not know how to choose the best wheel size?
GCN, stop peddling your sponsor stuff and start doing things that are really working. I knew it wasn't worth it as soon as I saw the name of the sponsor ! OSPW are not worth it, you'll gain a lot more by buying new aero cycling clothes.
Total nonsense, hundreds of pounds for no benefit, then a company like Sram make smaller chainsets and a 10 tooth cog. Honestly are people believing this garbage!
Pointless video. If you can afford these then you would be getting them fitted for you. Not doing it yourself and getting your hands dirty. Just one long advert for a certain company
To those not understanding why Bill is asking this. The presenter casually said in this video that you can not add links to the chain. This question was provoked, and not a random cry for help in the youtube comments.
I brought a nova2ride ospw for 230 euro half the price of some others makes and its lighter and a gained 2mph. The pedaling efficiency is so much easier
99% of people would gain more by changing the bushings (if they have them) to 699 bearings or changing the OE bearings to ones with Non contact seals. Last week, one company released an OSPW with a bearing that was so large, it had more drag than a bottom bracket. And just consider how much load goes through a bottom bracket (rider weight) vs a chain tensioning device. Ludicrous.
GO WATCH THE TORQINI EPISODE 2
@@PeakTorque Oh no, we've entered the league of brangelina and bensniffer.
Hambini, wonder if you have any 699 bearings to recommend? Mainly for wheelset usage. I reckon to go for ZZ ones rather than 2RS, am I right?
Oooooh I’m so glad that Hambini and Peak Torque have chipped in. Saw their video on the over sized bearings - thanks fellas 🙌😎
@@PeakTorque @hambini Loving this exchange over this GCN bullshit video! Thanks guys!
Alex you’re presenter skills are super these days. Big kudos. 👍👍
Nob Jockey wheels! The Prince Albert of cycling.
A bike is not complete without an OSPW, ceramic bearings, dimpled carbon wheels, a specially coated chain from muc off in collaboration with gcn.. What else? Please add more best value for money products down below.
@@roebbiej gold chain!
It's all spam. Report it.
Even if you accept OSPWs do look better then surely this doesn’t apply when it has Muc off written on it. Imagine having a beautiful Dura ace or super record mech and adding something that looks like it was given away free with a magazine. Unless you see Ineos using these you can probably assume any claimed benefits are BS since they have Muc off as a sponsor and would go after the “marginal gains”
OSPW’s have mixed testing results, but Muc off is a sponsor, would it be better if it said ceramic speed on it, because all high end bike parts have logos on it wether its SRAM or Shimano etc.
Because that's what I want from mountain biking the motocross aesthetic
@@mynock250 If Shimano did their own version and it was around £100 I might consider it. I would only be doing it to pimp my ride though as I ride for fun and have weight to lose before I’ll started caring about fancy bearings or weight weenie stuff or minor aero gains
What kind of gains are we talking here? 0.1%? I think Shimano would have made this standard on their racing groupsets if it made any real difference.
No gains. Possibly losses, all things considered. Definitely loss of money.
Likely 1 or 2 watts. I have about 5kg of tub to shift that would make me faster for free
@@peternewton2200 Yep, me too.
Loses 2-3 watts of aero. Sadly, a paid presenter reading a script for the sake of keeping his job.
@@BFinesilver2 ospw is heavier and less aero?
Isn't this just the equivalent of putting a whopper spoiler on your Ford Escort in a 90's Max Power style 😂
At least it's not a nitro kit on a Dodge Neon.
Save your money and replace your normal sized jockey wheel more often, this is really is 'ludicrous AF'.
Come on, it’s content like this that majorly compromises your credibility and weakens your other, often excellent content. Surely you can afford to be more discerning regarding advertised content and sponsors.
I'd assume a bike shop would do this for free if you just spent £400+ on jockey wheels.
you assume dangerous things my friend.
Somehow I doubt it. ;)
And laugh at you.
If these oversized pulley wheels are better then why doesn't Shimanno or Sram design their derailleurs with them? Obviously the "advantages" are BS even if some people think they are cooler looking. I think they look silly.
Bingo.
Look at the price of those things. It's just not worth to increase the price of the groupset but losses lots of customers
@@Sidowse haha I forgot I have metal bushings on a plastic wheel, maybe this is worth it
Who cares what you think though 🤷♂️
I’m going to stick with the standard Shimano pulley wheels. Since everything was engineered as a package, I think it’s risky to modify.
yes you can lengthen your chain with quick lengths and the extra chain you cut from the current chain.
In strict terms of efficiency; wouldn't setting fire to the cash be greater?
Most people I know service their wheel hubs annually. Would love to see a show on how many watts you lose with dirty hubs, thanks guys.
so shimano has just not the skills to make an oversized pulley wheel on their dura-ace? If it actually had any positive effect they would.. waste of money..
They could, but Shimano is persnickety about shifting quality and with an OSPW it is let's say 98% as good as a standard Dura-ace cage.
@@brankododig1585 if Shimano thought for one minute that OSPWs made any difference they would have developed one that shifted 100% the Dura Ace standard - they don't work, so they haven't
Next video: how to make your bike sound like a motorcycle using a deck of cards!
How does this change if your derailleur has a clutch, I assume you disengage it but anything else you need to worry about?
I've been wondering, if oversized pulleys are so incredibly incredible, why Campagnolo and Shimano don't make them standard?
I would assume it’s like putting a giant ass spoiler on a Corolla
OSPWs are basically the truck nuts of the cycling world.
😄
Have you ever installed an oversized pulley wheel to your derailleur? Let us know in the comments! 👇
No. Also, I’ve got some invisible new clothes that Id like to sell to GCN.
No, I'm not a gullable marketing knob.
No…ua-cam.com/video/PB4Nby2Ai-g/v-deo.html
No. Despite your shilling Muc off.
No, couldn't take a rider seriously with one of these. I think in 10yrs we'll be laughing at ourselves as a cycling community that we (some) lapped up this marketing pointless component and was fitted to bikes 😏
Can you replace the tension spring spindle on a Lingmai ospw cage for a Shimano 105 rear derailleur? I think mine is defective. It doesn't fit the Shimano 105 rear derailleur body.
#askgcntech the 3 holes is a good tip for the rear derailleur. Some people don't know what they are used for!!!
For those of us who have money to burn and we've been duped into believing this will make us faster then this is the video for you!
Oh thank god, I have money in my pocket and needed a new way to spend it!
The only benefits I heard in this well done video explaining how to disassemble a rear mech and add oversized pulleys was that; the oversized pulleys are more aerodynamic and they can increase chain efficiency. So if anything this would benefit backpacking bikers. Kudos to GCN Tech
@@stephenalivero4068 yes, you will save 1 watt at most, provided your chain is super clean. While bikepacking, any marginal gains from the oversized pulley will be more than offset by all the stuff that you will have to attach to your bicycle.
So you've shown us how to add weight, increase friction and make the bike prone to miss-shifts, great!
Do you wonder something is not right when a pulley wheel that has more teeth then SRAM popular 10 sprocket ?
Well, this video seems to have gone down like a lead balloon 😂
Oh come on Alex, you are losing all your credibility for the GCN Tech videos to come.
GCN themselves have done videos explaining how this upgrade is not worth. Ok, Muc-Off is entering this market and sponsoring you, but try to maintain some integrity.
They are just showing how to install it because you might like the looks ;-)
Seriously, watching all this marginal gains stuff (claimed or actual) I'm almost relieved that I'm too slow for stuff like that to matter.
In older videos they demonstrate that tighter clothes or lower position gains more than changing parts of your bike that already work well.
If the reduction in chain friction is so important why not have a chainring the size of a dinner plate, and then you can have a nice 15-25 straight through cassette or even 16-26, get those gear ratios really close as well as reduce that chain friction.
Good video of actually how to install , but oversized pulley s are really for pro team s , most people aren't riding fast enough to need them , and the price like what ..... Most people would be better off getting a coach for a year for that sort of money and then they would really go faster
The pully wheel (upper) on my newly installed and upgrade derailleur on my trike doesn't seem to engage the chain very well in a couple of gears, it sounds like the teeth of the pully wheel are being slapped by the chain as it spins by, then you her a popping noise ever so often. My uneducated self tells me that adding a different pully wheel with another tooth or two would or might solve that problem, by forcing the wheel and chain to better engage. Might this be a common problem, my drive train is a collection of 9 speed parts from different makers.
I'm a MTB rider but I saw the absolute back oversized and my god I need that on my bike
With a long cage, you might loose watts because it's dragging on the ground :-P
One thing i wanted to know, that i didnt get to know, was does this have any other benefits than looking better than a small one?
you wallet is lighter, so it's easier to carry round...
There are small gains in drive line efficiency - might make a difference in a photo finish, but for most of us it's just bling.
Because, nice bike is fast bike 😉
i have a 1×9 setup with shimano tourney rear derailleur 😂
I bet Sigma fit loads of these to Dogmas 😂
Fat Surrey dads
Is Muc-Off LOPS actually available anywhere 🤷♂️
Yes and where can we see pricing?
Thats a Muc-Off OSPW or a collabo?
Just add a few quick links it you dont want to replace the whole chain.
Where i can buy it?
Well… personally I think it looks uuugly !
However, great skills Alex, well done !
Where's the paid promotion tag?
Can you please show the clip of Ollie riding the submarine bike.
I pay for UA-cam Red, why am I getting 7+ minute ads?
lol
So I’m guessing this is equivalent to putting a giant spoiler and modified exhaust on a hybrid Prius
Remember that's it never how good or fit as a cyclist you are, but how good you look. This is basically for people who are over compensating and suffering from the dreaded small penis syndrome. It is at pandemic level here on this side of the pond in Amerrrica!.
Muc-off branding/design looks so cheap
Can't add links to a chain? you sure about that pal?
Seth's bike hacks built a chain using only quick-links and it was completely fine.
You can most certainly lengthen your chain and end up with two sets of quick links without any issues.
Didn't Seth kind of caution that it wasn't as secure?
You are supposed to get a new chain treated with Muc Off's Ludicrous AF treatment ;-)
Answer is... You don't cos they are a massive waste of money
#AskGCNTech hi can I ask can you fit an aero bar on MOST 1k talon aero integrated drop bar or other integrated drop bar
does it need longer chain?
If you watched the video then you would know that the answer is 'yes'.
What's big pulley 😍
You should be saying to the public why not to install them!
title should be 'muc off ad'
Here comes the snake oil.
It looks bloody stupid.
shhhttupid. I can hear it now.
This had to be pretty pride swallowing shooting this video. You've led us to believe that these jockey wheels are trash, but since this one says "Muc Off", it's now recommended...? We know you don't make the calls on content, but I hope you had a behind the scenes discussion with whoever decided to humiliate you. Hang in there bud 💪😎🇺🇸
Anything for a bit of Muc Off money, ey?
❤🍹SPINNERS🍹❤
I might be tempted to do this if (i) the oversized pulley wheel was made of carbon fibre (ii) cost at least ten thousand pounds and (iii) made no noticeable difference to my riding speed. Why did this video not establish the basics before bombarding us with instructions on how to get our hands dirty?
Someone call hambini and peak torque 🙄
Both of them actually commented approx half an hour ago
@@jedkoh ha ha. I couldn't bring myself to scroll through the comments 🤣
I wonder why this ad has only 52 downvotes. 99% of comments are negative.
How to make content that covers our sponsorship obligations while offering little to zero performance benefits.
I guess bigger pulley - higher chances of hitting your rear derailleur ?
It's just marketing blabla. Why invest 300-400 USD to save 1-2 Watts, if any?
How to make your bike less aero for a lot of money and zero gain...
When I’ll have more money to spend on my bikes, I will change this part of the derailleur in every bike I have...
Don’t care, looks cool, I buy 👍
Just don't. Even a Acera RD-390 can handle a wider range than you need. Don't down Triple chainrings and 8 speeds..
Sold my 2020 TREK because 12 speed linear just demands triple gear jumps and doesn't have any top speed.
17-117 gear inches on my Opus kills it.
Lastly.. They fail quicker when things go bad it's catastrophic. My 17t tension pulley broke and destroyed the cage it was a walk home.. I think the bearing failed. The Alivio derailleur I had went into the spokes a few time since 2013... But didn't last a week after this mod. Even a 11-13 in the stock cage did better with just sealed bearings.
GCN - snake oil promoters 🤔
think i will give this a miss. My DIY skills are so poor that i have banned myself from visiting IKEA's website 🤣🤣
This video was sponsored by "Muc-off".
Why
What an incredible waste of money.
TLDR. Don't. They do nothing but empty your wallet
These ospw brands are spending more on the display boxes than the shitty bit of carbon,ali,( “ceramic bearings “) and screws are worth. It’s a joke . But they look the biz 😂
That looks so stupid and unnesscesary 😅
#AskGCNTech - This question is more for Manon - In a recent video :
The Brighter Side To Wet Weather | How To Enjoy Cycling In The Rain!
What are you specifically wearing?
You look like you would be more comfortable in the nasty weather than your riding mate, Hank. I really struggle to keep warmth in the body even with the work of riding. I figure I need something a lot better to wear so I’m trying to figure out what to get so I hope Manon can give me some insight to what she has as it might help me.
Thank you.
You can't add links to a chain?.... lol
How to change? Don't.
Funny how Ineos who are supposedly the No 1 team into marginal games and are sponsored by muc off don't use them.
Must be why they didn't win the tour or vuelta.
Just another way for them to fleece money from you.
Like the new lube at $1000/litre
Don’t.
Your chain pivots 180° each lap around no matter the size of your jockey wheels. So this amateur mechanical engineer needs help understanding. I do see that the bigger wheel might be heavier and have more drag.
What about Campagnolo and Shimano? Do they not know how to choose the best wheel size?
Cool looking? Oy. No. What is your definition of "cool" ?
👏👏👏🚴👍
You don't.
GCN, stop peddling your sponsor stuff and start doing things that are really working. I knew it wasn't worth it as soon as I saw the name of the sponsor ! OSPW are not worth it, you'll gain a lot more by buying new aero cycling clothes.
Total nonsense, hundreds of pounds for no benefit, then a company like Sram make smaller chainsets and a 10 tooth cog. Honestly are people believing this garbage!
Pointless video. If you can afford these then you would be getting them fitted for you. Not doing it yourself and getting your hands dirty. Just one long advert for a certain company
More Super BS from alex 🙄
Seems like a useless and EXPENSIVE TREND. Not worth the effort.
Why can't I add links to my chain?
Because you dont know how or have the tools?
Berm Peak made a whole chain out of quick links a while ago 🥳😋
@@billsomerset238 Why are you asking then?
@@iffy_too4289 because I know you can
To those not understanding why Bill is asking this. The presenter casually said in this video that you can not add links to the chain. This question was provoked, and not a random cry for help in the youtube comments.
Is it just me or does this chap have a weird face?
I brought a nova2ride ospw for 230 euro half the price of some others makes and its lighter and a gained 2mph. The pedaling efficiency is so much easier
🤣🤣🤣