This reminds me of a time in a kickboxing gym, no belts so ranks aren't as evident so it's a bit more forgivable. Was doing partner drills with this new guy who hadn't learned where his hands should go while slipping. When it comes to my turn, he tries to correct me 3, 4, 5 times. Afterwards I ask him how long he's been a member. It was his 3rd class. ... Like, I can understand trying to be helpful. But when someone is CLEARLY more experienced than you ignores your "advice" over and over again, how is it not obvious to you that maybe, MAYBE in 3 classes you haven't learned all there is to know and you can't now start teaching people who've been here for 3+ years. Comical lack of humility/self awareness.
I think it’s just about respect. The more respectful you have to treat something the more serious you tend to take it. Meaning the thing becomes more important to you compared to the other things in your life.
This is a great video. I know when I go to a new gym one of the first things I ask the instructor is "What is the basic etiquette and rules here at your gym?" and so far most of the gyms don't have any standard policies. I find some gyms consider asking upper belts to roll disrespectful while other gyms are the exact opposite, upper belts wont roll with you unless you ask. Those little details are nice to know going into a gym.
The comments from the sidelines was a great point. I'm fairly new, but have managed a few throws on upper belts in randori. The same guy has from the sidelines always shouts "ooh nice throw" or similar, and while I'm sure his intention is just to be encouraging to the new guy, it makes me immediately feel awkward.
This is such a great vlogg.!!! I have seen this stuff in several dojo and the problem i believe falls with the instructors around manners, attitude, safety, instruction etc.. and general siki of the club and equally its important to have number 2s drifting and enforcing the etiquettes.
I really like the tradition and rules of a dojo, and the fixed progression of judo. I do wonder if BJJ's popularity is due to a more relaxed atmosphere, and less of what young people might see as anally retentive nitpicking associated with traditional judo.
Judo is definitely more traditional. Every BJJ gym I've been to, the consensus is whatever will keep you doing BJJ is typically acceptable -- within reason of course. My biggest gripe with Judo dojos is the strict white gi and blue gi rule. I think its a bit much, especially for kids when they see BJJ gyms typically not being so strict on gi colors and allowing individual expression. Allowing that form of expression ONLY when training is a reasonable compromise.
@@Filthyspaniard I think about this a lot too - judo is more formal, more "academic" in some ways, more civically minded, so I think it really draws a certain kind of crowd and ethos (and repels another kind of crowd). BJJ is chill and laid back and lot of ppl love that, but the flip side is that when two dudes are about to be DQ'd for slapping tf out of each other, its gonna be harder for the teacher who was the cool guy who everyone considers "like a brother" to break that up and calm them down. That's the flipside to that whole "we're all family here" angle. I always see bjj dudes doing the most when it comes to showing out for a gym and talking about how they would NEVER disobey anything their professor says, but yet you don't see 90% of these attitude problems in Judo. You get some jockey tough guys for sure, but I think you hardly ever see full on fights
Ho shit, I am realising I talk during randoris and how bad it is. The level of shame I am experiencing right now is uncanny. I wish I could just shut up, but for some reason it is really hard for me. I always mean well, but now I see how it can have a very bad effect. Damn damn damn !
Would love to see a conversation about why judo and ju jitsu aren't one art. To me the true art is both as one. One compliments the other. To me they are balance
I have a thought about this - assuming by Jiu Jitsu you mean Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - it’s simply (nearly) impossible in one lifetime to achieve mastery of bjj newaza and judo tachi waza - so although yes they complement each other wonderfully - someone devoted to judo full time will always have better throws than someone of similar capacity who cross trains Jiu Jitsu - simply for the amount of focus each individual art requires to get to the highest levels.
they are one art, its just marketing and gracie hubris that says otherwise. Not to give a copout answer but Kosen judo people seem to have both down to a killer degree, so there's proof that its doable. If anything I think more people, on both sides of the debate, need to train more transitional stuff.
32 years in judo sick now can't practice anymore. I miss it! I am also a chef would you like to talk about nutrition in judo perhaps make a video. As a chef judoka I offer knowledge in the kitchen.
"All I know, is that I know nothing." Our judo club is just a rag tag of guys practicing out of an old karate studio. We are all pretty close knit and its not an actual public class where people just walk in and sign up. We just have a blackbelt judoka that loves the sport and is teaching his friends/friends of friends. Its very relaxed and we really only follow basic things like bow on and off mat, be respectful to upper belts, and no goofing off when someone is showing a throw or randori. I feel like the only trouble we run into is we have a couple of preteen/early teen guys who just think they already know how to do a throw, refuse to listen to sensei and then get rowdy/disrespectful and then they have to be taken down a notch. I do fear that if I ever walked into a legit and strict club I could possibly be thrust into a different world, but I don't really worry about it considering the closest clubs are hours away, we are just making due with what he have in our area. Also love your vids man. Between you and travis I feel like my understanding of techniques has grown exponentially.
I've asked blue belts to roll at my bjj gym and no one has ever said anything about it. I'm assuming it's all good but I guess I should ask my coach just in case everyone is just being super nice to me lol
@@Shikami85 That maybe be okay in a lot of schools (especially among a mix of students lower than black belt), but NEVER ask the instructor/owner to roll. NEVER. If he's an old school Brazilian black belt, he will f you up, possibly seriously.
Pretty sure I'm not the only one, but I'd like to see you guys get Robert Drysdale on. He's dong a documentary and book on the originals of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. From his interviews he goes a lot into judo and its real influence on the art, not what the Gracies tell us.
The difference between European and US dojos must be pretty big. I have trained in probably over 20 dojos and never once called the coach Sensei. It's always been coach or the instructor. You would always expect someone to take a beginner under their wing and show them mat etiquette. It's pretty informal, but yet respectful. For example, if you turn up late, you need to apologise to the coach and warm up on your own.
I have a question regarding judo etiquette: At your dojo, when going into seiza at the beginning and at the end of each training session, who kneels first, and who does it last (sensei, senpai, kohai or the other way around)? Why? Because I wonder if there is a universal, correct way of doing it. Thanks!
Having a hard time remembering when kneeling first, but when I was in karate, for standing up it was always the teacher and then the higher belts first.
Dude classes in Europe and America are so different than in Egypt In Egypt the coach is here and all the team are around the same age We also have 2 coaches that are above us watching us with focus the whole time so no one chats
Beginners should prioritize the instructions for techniques the instructor at your school teaches, try to understand and master those before spending much time and effort on variations or alternatives taught by non-instructor upper belts or YT videos. Your instructors will decide whether you are qualified for a promotion, not Joe purple belt or Shintaro (unless he is your instructor, heh...)
How about this one One night I'm not teaching and I'm just there to train. The person teaching has everyone do wall spins during warm up which I modify because of spinal injuries so inverting normally hurts me. A white belt has the audacity to come over and correct me "here let me show you the right way to do it" I dont care if you have good intentions, stay in your lane A guy with 2 stripes on his belt has no business coaching anybody
@@SF-bw7vn It's true though, on your third day you shouldn't be trying to "teach" anyone, much less someone with a higher ranking. It's not boxing or MMA, people ranks are clearly labeled.
Hi Shintaro! I have a Judo etiquette question that I haven't been able to find a satisfactory answer to online. Due to religious convictions, a student says he cannot bow face down on the mat because it's considered idolatry in his religion. The standing bow and kneeling bow where you only tilt forward but don't go face down on the mat are OK for them. However, the sensei requires the whole class to bow face down on the mat at the beginning and end of the session to the sensei. Is the face down bow really required in traditional Judo? How would you advise such a student with dilemma in your dojo? Thanks!!!!
Aw man, you guys didn't touch on one of THEE most important subjects, MALE vs FEMALE interactions/ sparring, and then even further than that, male/ female non-platonic involvement/ sex/ relationships! Outside of that, great great video!
Waste too much time on this and you're doing yourself a disservice. Look at boxing gyms, they can whoop most karate guys and theres no special etiquette rules for the gym.
I like how Shintaro sensei is very mindful of the details of treating people, emotional intelligence right there :)
I always say good throw while I’m in the air. I never thought it to be patronizing.
Same, I find myself saying "nice" or "yeah" right after I break my fall, particularly when the throw felt really smooth/effortless.
@@zacharywiesel900 this comment was so long ago
@@mmongiello722 so?
@@montagistreel in the video, it says not to.
@@mmongiello722 no I meant, whats the issue if a comment someone made is to one that was older? if its relevant, its relevant
This reminds me of a time in a kickboxing gym, no belts so ranks aren't as evident so it's a bit more forgivable. Was doing partner drills with this new guy who hadn't learned where his hands should go while slipping. When it comes to my turn, he tries to correct me 3, 4, 5 times. Afterwards I ask him how long he's been a member. It was his 3rd class.
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Like, I can understand trying to be helpful. But when someone is CLEARLY more experienced than you ignores your "advice" over and over again, how is it not obvious to you that maybe, MAYBE in 3 classes you haven't learned all there is to know and you can't now start teaching people who've been here for 3+ years. Comical lack of humility/self awareness.
THANK YOU !!! That was excellent. I really enjoyed this video. Great information and a great dynamic between the hosts. thanks again.
I think it’s just about respect. The more respectful you have to treat something the more serious you tend to take it. Meaning the thing becomes more important to you compared to the other things in your life.
This is a great video. I know when I go to a new gym one of the first things I ask the instructor is "What is the basic etiquette and rules here at your gym?" and so far most of the gyms don't have any standard policies. I find some gyms consider asking upper belts to roll disrespectful while other gyms are the exact opposite, upper belts wont roll with you unless you ask. Those little details are nice to know going into a gym.
if you are a white belt, it seems like it would be super helpful and important to roll with higher level belts.
The comments from the sidelines was a great point. I'm fairly new, but have managed a few throws on upper belts in randori. The same guy has from the sidelines always shouts "ooh nice throw" or similar, and while I'm sure his intention is just to be encouraging to the new guy, it makes me immediately feel awkward.
This is such a great vlogg.!!! I have seen this stuff in several dojo and the problem i believe falls with the instructors around manners, attitude, safety, instruction etc.. and general siki of the club and equally its important to have number 2s drifting and enforcing the etiquettes.
I really like the tradition and rules of a dojo, and the fixed progression of judo. I do wonder if BJJ's popularity is due to a more relaxed atmosphere, and less of what young people might see as anally retentive nitpicking associated with traditional judo.
How much BJJ have you actually trained?
Judo is definitely more traditional. Every BJJ gym I've been to, the consensus is whatever will keep you doing BJJ is typically acceptable -- within reason of course. My biggest gripe with Judo dojos is the strict white gi and blue gi rule. I think its a bit much, especially for kids when they see BJJ gyms typically not being so strict on gi colors and allowing individual expression. Allowing that form of expression ONLY when training is a reasonable compromise.
@@Filthyspaniard I think about this a lot too - judo is more formal, more "academic" in some ways, more civically minded, so I think it really draws a certain kind of crowd and ethos (and repels another kind of crowd). BJJ is chill and laid back and lot of ppl love that, but the flip side is that when two dudes are about to be DQ'd for slapping tf out of each other, its gonna be harder for the teacher who was the cool guy who everyone considers "like a brother" to break that up and calm them down. That's the flipside to that whole "we're all family here" angle. I always see bjj dudes doing the most when it comes to showing out for a gym and talking about how they would NEVER disobey anything their professor says, but yet you don't see 90% of these attitude problems in Judo. You get some jockey tough guys for sure, but I think you hardly ever see full on fights
Very important topic
Shintaro, are you loose/open gi gang or closed gi gang. Please respond
Ho shit, I am realising I talk during randoris and how bad it is. The level of shame I am experiencing right now is uncanny.
I wish I could just shut up, but for some reason it is really hard for me. I always mean well, but now I see how it can have a very bad effect. Damn damn damn !
You and me both lol 😂 I usually make fun of my own mistakes.
Awesome channel! I just discovered you from Sensei Seth...I'll be viewing for sure!
Would love to see a conversation about why judo and ju jitsu aren't one art. To me the true art is both as one. One compliments the other. To me they are balance
I have a thought about this - assuming by Jiu Jitsu you mean Brazilian Jiu Jitsu - it’s simply (nearly) impossible in one lifetime to achieve mastery of bjj newaza and judo tachi waza - so although yes they complement each other wonderfully - someone devoted to judo full time will always have better throws than someone of similar capacity who cross trains Jiu Jitsu - simply for the amount of focus each individual art requires to get to the highest levels.
they are one art, its just marketing and gracie hubris that says otherwise. Not to give a copout answer but Kosen judo people seem to have both down to a killer degree, so there's proof that its doable. If anything I think more people, on both sides of the debate, need to train more transitional stuff.
Enlightening, thank you
Wow big flex from Peter announcing himself to the world as Shintaro's best friend. I'm majorly jelly 😂
32 years in judo sick now can't practice anymore. I miss it!
I am also a chef would you like to talk about nutrition in judo perhaps make a video. As a chef judoka I offer knowledge in the kitchen.
"All I know, is that I know nothing." Our judo club is just a rag tag of guys practicing out of an old karate studio. We are all pretty close knit and its not an actual public class where people just walk in and sign up. We just have a blackbelt judoka that loves the sport and is teaching his friends/friends of friends. Its very relaxed and we really only follow basic things like bow on and off mat, be respectful to upper belts, and no goofing off when someone is showing a throw or randori.
I feel like the only trouble we run into is we have a couple of preteen/early teen guys who just think they already know how to do a throw, refuse to listen to sensei and then get rowdy/disrespectful and then they have to be taken down a notch. I do fear that if I ever walked into a legit and strict club I could possibly be thrust into a different world, but I don't really worry about it considering the closest clubs are hours away, we are just making due with what he have in our area. Also love your vids man. Between you and travis I feel like my understanding of techniques has grown exponentially.
Where are you?
@@mmongiello722 Tennessee, USA
@@derrickcaperton792 hello from LI.
Hi saw you at Youth nationals at the olympic oval.
Lol. Come say hi!
I remember don’t step over with a wizzer from wrestling but, I don’t remember the details. Can we get a video of why not and when you can?
I saw you at youth nationals in Utah
Haha. Come say hi!
I’ll plan on it
Its tradition respect luv it
I've asked blue belts to roll at my bjj gym and no one has ever said anything about it. I'm assuming it's all good but I guess I should ask my coach just in case everyone is just being super nice to me lol
Nah, I even ask black belts, I don't ever feel they above me, I just take them as another regular person.
@@Shikami85 That maybe be okay in a lot of schools (especially among a mix of students lower than black belt), but NEVER ask the instructor/owner to roll. NEVER. If he's an old school Brazilian black belt, he will f you up, possibly seriously.
Pretty sure I'm not the only one, but I'd like to see you guys get Robert Drysdale on. He's dong a documentary and book on the originals of Brazilian jiu-jitsu. From his interviews he goes a lot into judo and its real influence on the art, not what the Gracies tell us.
It's a brand new student. Don't set your expectations too high.
The difference between European and US dojos must be pretty big.
I have trained in probably over 20 dojos and never once called the coach Sensei.
It's always been coach or the instructor.
You would always expect someone to take a beginner under their wing and show them mat etiquette.
It's pretty informal, but yet respectful.
For example, if you turn up late, you need to apologise to the coach and warm up on your own.
I have a question regarding judo etiquette: At your dojo, when going into seiza at the beginning and at the end of each training session, who kneels first, and who does it last (sensei, senpai, kohai or the other way around)? Why?
Because I wonder if there is a universal, correct way of doing it.
Thanks!
Having a hard time remembering when kneeling first, but when I was in karate, for standing up it was always the teacher and then the higher belts first.
Dude classes in Europe and America are so different than in Egypt
In Egypt the coach is here and all the team are around the same age
We also have 2 coaches that are above us watching us with focus the whole time so no one chats
Yeah, we got 5 to 10 people on the mat. And everyone's a diffrent size,age and gender.
@@mmongiello722 wow that is way more different
Shintaro came to my dojo and never paid!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lmao
(😂)
Beginners should prioritize the instructions for techniques the instructor at your school teaches, try to understand and master those before spending much time and effort on variations or alternatives taught by non-instructor upper belts or YT videos.
Your instructors will decide whether you are qualified for a promotion, not Joe purple belt or Shintaro (unless he is your instructor, heh...)
Nice
How about this one
One night I'm not teaching and I'm just there to train. The person teaching has everyone do wall spins during warm up which I modify because of spinal injuries so inverting normally hurts me.
A white belt has the audacity to come over and correct me "here let me show you the right way to do it"
I dont care if you have good intentions, stay in your lane
A guy with 2 stripes on his belt has no business coaching anybody
You're being condescending to someone with a lower belt than you already by thinking that's 'audacity'. Funnily enough.
@@SF-bw7vn It's true though, on your third day you shouldn't be trying to "teach" anyone, much less someone with a higher ranking. It's not boxing or MMA, people ranks are clearly labeled.
Hi Shintaro! I have a Judo etiquette question that I haven't been able to find a satisfactory answer to online. Due to religious convictions, a student says he cannot bow face down on the mat because it's considered idolatry in his religion. The standing bow and kneeling bow where you only tilt forward but don't go face down on the mat are OK for them. However, the sensei requires the whole class to bow face down on the mat at the beginning and end of the session to the sensei. Is the face down bow really required in traditional Judo? How would you advise such a student with dilemma in your dojo? Thanks!!!!
He probably is a muslim, it's ok if he doesn't bow to the floor but just make a sing of reverence to the picture of Jigoro Kano.
lol the kung fu guys is the one that we always ask them if they know Ukemi hehe....
Aw man, you guys didn't touch on one of THEE most important subjects, MALE vs FEMALE interactions/ sparring, and then even further than that, male/ female non-platonic involvement/ sex/ relationships! Outside of that, great great video!
Call your brother lmaoooo
Waste too much time on this and you're doing yourself a disservice. Look at boxing gyms, they can whoop most karate guys and theres no special etiquette rules for the gym.
It doesn't waste any time to behave with some class.
This generation SUCKS our Sensei was the one who TAUGHT US WHAT TO DO from the get-go Of course we were eight years old