The TRUTH About Judo
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- Опубліковано 2 чер 2024
- After my first experience of Judo where reality did not meet my expectations I connected with Shintaro Higashi, Judo instructor and former professional Judo competitor to explore what went wrong.
00:00:00 What made me question Judo
00:01:19 My first experience of Judo
00:08:29 Belt standards in martial arts
00:10:09 Belt standards in Judo
00:14:34 Terrible black belts in Judo
00:16:08 Finding a good Judo school
00:20:47 Dealing with people who are only defensive
00:23:28 Groundwork in Judo
00:27:31 Is groundwork in Judo flawed?
00:31:21 Sports Judo vs Martial Arts Judo
00:35:59 Is sports Judo flawed?
00:39:26 Do Judokas hate BJJ?
00:42:36 Shintaro's cross training journey
00:45:07 Disillusionment in cross training
00:48:18 Does Judo need more Ne Wasa/Ground work?
00:51:35 Seoi Nage ban in Judo
00:55:56 Judo culture vs BJJ culture
01:00:08 Evolving Judo
01:02:43 What bugs Shintaro in Judo?
01:05:15 Is Tomiki Aikido the real Aikido?
01:08:15 Shintaro’s advice to martial artists
01:16:39 Final words
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My name is Rokas. I'm a Lithuanian guy who trained Aikido for 14 years, 7 of them running a professional Aikido Dojo until eventually I realized that Aikido does not live up to what it promises.
Lead by this realization I decided to make a daring step to close my Aikido Dojo and move to Portland, Oregon for six months to start training MMA at the famous Straight Blast Gym Headquarters under head coach Matt Thornton.
After six months intensive training I had my first amateur MMA fight after which I moved back to Lithuania. During all of this time I am documenting my experience through my UA-cam channel called "Martial Arts Journey".
Now I am slowly setting up plans to continue training MMA under quality guidance and getting ready for my next MMA fight as I further document and share my journey and discoveries.
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Judoka here; my sensei personally put a LOT of emphasis on letting the younger/newer people off easy. Using those sessions to work on flexibility and somewhat movement rather than trying attacks. Even now I think I still do this instinctively and only put more effort in when i’m challenging bigger and tougher opponents or competing. Judo has a big element of respect and tradition rather than just eagdolling people
Thats really good, judo is really dangerous to someone that doesnt know anything about it.
A friend of mine whos been doing bjj (and is good at it) for like a year got easily thrown around by another friend of mine whos been doing Judo for a long time.
Really dont underestimate judokas
@@akshaykali7037 The thing about judo, especially when used for self defence rather than sport, is that it’s **very** easy to throw someone who has no idea what they’re doing. If you can’t break fall and can’t defend against a throw there’s a very good chance you’re not standing up if the throw is good enough
@@kubzycs1779 also clothes and pavement
yeah i had this experience, it was only a uni club (though we were good in the uk university "started at 18" level), but i had the exact same thing happen, i literally had to beg the higher belts to use their skills on me. i even caught out a few becuase they would miscalculate how easy they had to take it with me
Judo will help u in a real fight aikido not too much that's it.. also yr a white belt who will throw u around and try n hurt u?n ur pretty thin n ur bjj is ur best skill
Shintaro Higashi is pretty much the best Judo channel on UA-cam. He deserves massive credit for his dedication to teaching online Judo!
My favorite thing about him is he has The Bravery to tell it like it is...Chadi is also an incredible Judo channel that keeps it 100... what a shame they didn't just create a "Greco-Roman" division for Judo rather than Banning leg attacks outright!
Only create never take away!
@@Howleebra i mean, talking about Judo's (and other martial arts) history is Chadi's thing. But showing Judo techniques and how to apply them is where Shintaro is great at
Face it. First time in the dojo, they were not there to impress you. They were keeping you from getting hurt while evaluating what you could handle. Stay with it a few months or years would be best and you would eventually feel what you are after. Believe me, there are many black belts out there that could toss you at will, all over the world.
"I wasn't impressed" same here, I signed up for muay thai after doing kyokushin and was disappointed that they couldn't inflict a lot of damage on me. Guess I'm that good lol (sarcasm)
Yea most nice judoka don’t go crazy trying to toss a white belt
Yup. Just started myself and the difference between how hard the more experienced guys go against each other in randori vs how hard they go against me is pretty substantial.
Yes, I agree. I honestly felt that Martial Arts Journey's comments saying that he wasn't impressed after two days of training, as well as saying that his ground grappling skills were "superior" to that of a judo black belt, were incredibly arrogant.
I've been doing judo for over 13 years, have been coaching for five years, and am one of the coaches at our judo club. When we have visitors who wear a white belt around their waist, we ask our members to go easy on them, and to help them (the visitors) learn. It becomes an experience of mutual welfare and benefit, one of the philosophies of judo... it helps the visitor to learn, but it also helps our own judoka to better understand their techniques, by sharing their knowledge with others of less experience.
After all, we do not want our new visitors to get hurt, and we want them to keep coming back, to keep training in judo, and to become a part of our club, our community. If our more experienced players just smashed newbies, then we wouldn't get newbies coming back.
I guarantee, the higher grades were being nice to Martial Arts Journey, and were not trying to rip his head off in randori or ne-waza, because of course, he was wearing a white belt around his waist. Even if he does have prior experience in other arts, such as Brazilian jiu-jitsu and Aikido, I believe it is important to let your training partner(s) know that you have this experience, and that you would like to go harder.
In saying all this, I did enjoy Martial Arts Journey's discussion with Shintaro Higashi, and I hope Martial Arts Journey learned a lot from him in that hour plus conversation.
@Narshe J over the required age to rent a car in the US. Why?
Shintaro Higashi’s thoughts on aikido remind me a lot of Dave Camarillo (a highly accomplished black belt in both judo and BJJ, and also loves to use aikido techniques.)
@The Adjudicator Camarillo uses aikido techniques to be polite??
So like functional Aikido?
@The Adjudicator you’re very full of yourself
Try a feather to the throat…
@The Adjudicator ouch that hurt!!! Stop being soooooo mean !!!🥲🥲🥲🥲🥲
@The Adjudicator this
As a Judoka for 9 months straight I can say that I am really glad you started making Judo content
as a former 8 years + judoka, stick to it, itll only get more fun!
@@Jay-bz3df I plan to
Regarding being thrown like a ragdoll one one of the main tenets of judo is Jita Kyoei which roughly translated means mutual benefit warfare, meaning take care of your opponent. I injure you, especially as a white belt, you won't be back in the dojo. I, as a black belt do some randori with you, asses your skill and ability and adjust my judo to your level. My purpose is to teach you, not hurt you.
Much respect to Shintaro. His perspective is a much needed breath of fresh air. It is very well-rounded and grounded. Especially his comments on cross-training. It mirrors what my instructor told me when I left my hometown to go to college. When I asked about what I should train while I was gone, he told me to find something different than him and then bring back what I've learned and teach him.
I love the amount of respect in Judo. When you first start, they will go easy on you but after a few months, you really start getting the average ragdoll experience. It's an amazing and effective martial art and I am very happy that I'm able to do it.
When I was considerably younger, I was told that every man should learn Judo and Boxing. Judo teaches you how to be thrown and get back up, as well as how to throw someone else. Boxing teaches you how to take a punch, as well as how to give one. Both martial arts teach you that you can suffer being knocked down, but what's important is that you can get back up. Metaphor for life, eh?
Judo and Boxing it is, then ?
Judo in practice (especially competitive schools) doesn't teach you to just get back up. In fact you're taught to turtle up if you don't want to engage in ground fighting.
@@TheAmerican. I'm sure he's referring to training, in randori you get absolutely launched with a huge turn throw then get back up and try again.
@@fonoboy but you aren't, you're taught to turtle...then once "mate" is called you can get back up but that's the same premise as any other martial art that has its own anti-martial ways per se. Every Martial art has its anti martial concepts in practice, Wrestling, Judo, JiuJitsu, Muay Thai and etc. The only complete system is learning the martial aspects of them all as a Mixed Martial Artist. To exclude one based its anti martial way is the same flaw as choosing one thinking it doesn't have the same flaw.
@@TheAmerican. Okay I see where you're coming from, yes that is true during competition. MMA is also a sport with anti-martial elements - gloves, soft floors, no 12-6 elbows, no kicks while on the ground, no weapons, 1 on 1 etc. But those kind of precautions are necessary for live training, otherwise you're left with a system like Japanese JuJitsu or Krav Maga where the extent of the techniques aren't really possible without major injury or cooperative drilling. You can't grab clothes in MMA but if a judoka had to deal with a violent altercation with someone wearing some kind of shirt they'll have an advantage and will use it. While I would agree MMA is definitely the most "rounded" it's still miles away from real violent scenarios, and I think the point of the original post is more about developing yourself rather than a flawless combat system.
Great discussion! I’m glad it happened.
Thanks Ramsey!! Me too!
@@MartialArtsJourney Would love to see the two of you make another podcast, I really enjoyed the last.
Did anyone else read this in Ramsey's voice?
maybe i missed it but, you can’t throw if someone doesn’t engage in the rule set. this is no different than wrestling, if uke is retreating backwards tori won’t hit any singles or doubles. bjj same thing, can’t pull guard let alone submit uke if they won’t engage. 🤷♂️
Holy crap the whole youtube gang is here. Need Rokas to talk to Travis Stevens now
I think you're going through what I had when I had started Judo, I'm a fairly big guy (6ft 103kg) and have a little bit of experience in bjj before starting judo, and initially when doing randori I was surprised that I wasn't being tripped or thrown as much as I expected, fast forward 2 months later after learning a few techniques and actively going for attacks in randori, I can tell you now I'm getting that rag doll experience, and to be honest they seem to still be only going 80 percent at most, I'm of the opinion you will get the exact experience you're looking for if you go over and see Shintaro, or train at a judo club for a longer period of time.
Nice! Glad to hear about your experience. I have a feeling it's a similar situation. Hopefully I'll get to experience the second half of it soon!
I'm 6.3ft 87kg by the way :)
@@MartialArtsJourney tall people are so hard to throw too, you need to get your hips low even though they’re already towering you and pulling the arm is like pulling taffy if just keeps going lol
Thats cuz they were being nice to you. They wanted you to come back unlike typical bjj gyms
@@sliderx1897 I think that's pretty typical in most martial arts places tbh, to not just rag on the new person that show's up, I was mainly trying to let Rokas know if he wants that experience, he'll have to ask for it, or go to a gym that provides that feel.
@@connorfinch5835 exactly. He was under that impression becuase that is the typical in bjj. The 6 monthers beat up on the day 1 guys. Its a great way to make their 6mo students feel great about themselves but one of the dumbest business practices ive ever seen
Many thanks to Shintaro for providing thoughtful, nuanced responses to questions that really come from limited Judo understanding and experience. Weight advantages and athleticism aside, getting launched in Judo often comes from putting yourself in compromised positions while attacking.
Yes my thoughts exactly. The best throws come from one judoka taking advantage of a offensive mistake by another judoka.
@@MMA_Jackal yeah, competitively speaking, you're right.
yeah, Judo is really hard to use until the exact right moment, and this guy has tons of fundamentals, those right moments are gonna come easily, he would have to be physically dominated into them
I am a white belt Judoka and I’ve been practicing for about 7 months and only had one year of wrestling experience in high school, 10 years ago, prior to the start of this journey. I was and still am able to defend myself in class pretty well in an advanced class. However, I can say that the longer you are practicing at a dojo, the more you will get the full experience from both the Newaza and Randori components. I am one of the older and heavier, 185lbs, players at the club. Most of the players there are either in college, high school, or middle school. However, even against younger and lighter opponents I’m getting thrown and swept like crazy now that I’m less on the defensive and really allowing myself to be on the offense and just going for it. It’s tough and it hurts but man it’s so fun to see the development over time and feeling confident once you’ve got some of the basics down. Hope you continue to explore Judo! It’s a beautiful art form and one of the safer and more gentle ones all while being effective in application, in my opinion. Would love to have you come through our club sometime if you’re ever in California!
This interview is exactly why I Shintaro Higashi is an inspiration to grapplers in general.
Great conversation - I would definitely take Shintaro up on that offer to train with him! Try make a long documentary on it, it would be great to watch.
Definitely! It's on my list of plans for my next trip to US this year
@@MartialArtsJourney I look forward to it!
@@MartialArtsJourney If you’re in VA you’re definitely welcomed to Studio 360 in Williamsburg
They have bjj wrestling and judo and a lot of us cross train
Please do this! You will see very quickly how it works and your impression of Judo will shoot up significantly.
I totally agree with the part when shintaro opined that " the biggest problem is when the instructor doesn't know their own limitations and they claim what they teach to be the most effective".
Shintaro Higashi may be the most grounded, down-to-earth, open-minded person I’ve ever seen in martial arts.
I know man it's like everything he says is pure wisdom!
This would make a great podcast! Your super respectful and thoughtful attitude fosters a great environment for meaningful discussion, and I would love to hear more of these in-depth conversations with experts and well respected martial artists.
Thanks for letting me know that! I may start releasing more full talks about complicated martial arts misunderstandings
I'm surprised that you didn't offer the courtesy of linking Shintaro Higashi's UA-cam channel after he gave your channel so much time and insight. This was a really good conversation with a very intelligent and skilled practitioner, and clearly a dedicated Sensei.
Thanks for putting little descriptions of what you're talking about in the video's runtime bar. It's so helpful for finding the topic I'm looking for, especially in these longer videos, and I wish more youtubers would do what you're doing. The extra effort is noticed and appreciated, keep up the good work.
I didnt think I was gonna go thru the whole interview but I did, the interaction between the 2 of you was amazing. You Rokas are such a light energy, good vibe guy but made a lot of potentially uncomfortable questions to a super grounded, sure of himself wiseman Shintaro who gave the closest to perfect answers, thank you both and hopefully you'll have him again soon!
"There's black belts and then there's black belts" is the truest shit ever said.
I love judo. I’ve tried many martial arts but judo is the only one that has stuck for me. My dojo is offering no gi and free style judo soon too I’m so hype
No gi judo?! Sounds awesome
@@MartialArtsJourney It’s in the works and free style judo meaning leg grabs etc allowed will be a separate class as well. If you’re ever in Atlanta check out Atlanta Judo Midtown it’s legit as you can get
@@MartialArtsJourney you'll see these in MMA style gym... Judo is a strong complement to Wrestling and BJJ for grappling (as you know) and Judo adapted to the MMA rules (quick, aggressive) when you do the competitive judo at least
@@MartialArtsJourney a little bit of freestyle wrestling experience improved my Judo exponentially. A lot of the gi grips can be replaced by wrestling holds like a whizzer while still maintaining the mechanics of the original throw.
We do no gi judo at our club! It’s tremendous because no gi grips can be used even in the gi. Basically arm drags in no gi judo have me hitting them a lot more in gi judo. Same with collar ties to break balance and posture, it’s seen more in no gi but just because a gi is on doesn’t mean you can’t use it!
If this guy's actual judo is half as good as his verbal judo, he is a god among men.
Amazing interview, he never tried to defend the indefensible, but he never ceded more ground than he needed either.
In other words, his love for judo shone through, but he was extremely objective about its shortcomings and the compromises on the sport side of things.
He is, I believe he's a 6th dan (red and white belt). His channel is great and he has a crap ton of great tutorials.
He is! He also trains striking, bjj and wrestled in college. He’s trained with many of the top grapplers in the USA.
His judo is better than his verbal judo, Shintaro is as you say, a god among men...not to mention he is really cool, although I don't know him personally, but one can tell.
He's legit. 6th dan judo, I believe he's also a BB in BJJ and karate as well
@@Iesous27 Didnt he also made the US national teams?
Amazing discussion! Shintaro shows how real martial artists should think and express themselves towards other martial arts as well as their own. Instead of talking trash about everything else like many people on youtube do, he finds a way to look at every art from its perspective first. Great stuff!!
I was expecting this for a long time. Thanks for posting the whole thing. As a judoka for 13 years I can relate to a lot of things Shintaro pointed out and I understand how you got this first judo experience. Can't wait to see you train with Shintaro at the near future.
Really like Shintaro Higashi in this video. Very eloquent and smart man who knows his stuff it seems.
Shintaro never ceases to amaze me on his ability for insightful commentary, instructional wisdom, and open mindfulness of his trade. Listening to his macro-awareness of martial sport gives me a heightened respect of his contributions. you are so lucky to have interviewed him. Seems like a truly genuine cool guy to be friends with and have in one's corner.
He does such a good job of explaining so many valuable lessons! Well done! Great video!
When I was researching judo I found that there seems to be a distinction between Olympic Judo and kodokan judo. (Maybe you mention this in the video I'm still watching). Kodokan judo is judo in its original form with everything still included. Olympic Judo has been watered down due to Olympic rules making a lot of move sets illegal. As far as I can tell there are some Olympic Judo practitioners that are pretty damn good and it does depend on the school but kodokan judo is really where it's at.
Yeah, Olympic removed all leg attacks because it was leading to a bunch of guys just spamming double leg takedowns, crouched, defensive stances, and few camera-friendly high-amplitude throws. Kodokan judo is THE judo. It's the original, it's still the physical home of judo, and they still teach the hard-core judo, with all the bells and whistles. There's also freestyle judo which is, to my mind, the actual pinnacle of grappling arts. IF I had to choose a single grappling art to be widely practiced, it would be freestyle Judo. (this is coming from somebody who has done folkstyle wrestling, Judo, and BJJ).
@@ncommerce I've not heard of freestyle judo what is that?
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@@isaaczucker8583 I think it depends on the specific school, at the actual kodokan that might be how it is. But the school I was looking at which is too far away for me to train at unfortunately they focus much more on newaza and the all the takedown available in traditional judo. That includes the leg based takedown and throws that aren't allowed in Olympic Judo. Although I did Google freestyle judo and it seems it's pretty much traditional judo with a much heavier emphasis on cross training against other styles and no gi.
What a great conversation. Thank you to both gentlemen.
Great conversation, quite interesting and before I knew time flew away. Thanks for sharing.
Also, I really enjoyed how Shintaro laid out the path to becoming and olympic sport. When you do that you really give up a ton of control of your own sport to the people who run the olympics. In just the last 15 years, wrestling has had MAJOR rule changes back and forth only because the big suits at the head of the IOC had opinions on how wrestling matches played out. And we're not talking just banning a technique here or there, we're talking the number and length of rounds, scoring systems, penalties and overall judging. That's basically the whole rulebook thrown out over and over because a bunch of old dudes in some office had opinions of a sport they've never even practiced.
Those who wish BJJ would enter the olympics should be a little careful of what they wish for since they just might get it.
The best case scenario for the Olympic BJJ is that they ban moves that are dangerous and make the rounds faster pace by penalizing standing around and staying defensive and shortening round length.
Worst case scenario? Everything but the flashy moves get banned and everyone has to be careful since any amount of pain displayed by your opponent gets you DQ'd.
@@justas423 Summed up pretty well. No matter which case you'd end up with, it would be the one decided by the IOC. Because if being in the Olympics is the goal, those dudes hold all the cards, they have 100 other sports lined up to take the place of anyone who won't do what they're told.
Really learned a lot from this conversation myself u guys are 👍🏾
Really sage advice and thoughts from Shintaro. Thanks for doing this interview with him.
The conversation on Belt standards was very insightful, but overall amazing interview my man!
Higashi... is clearly a master in more than martial arts. Great communicator with well balanced and broad opinions.
Yes, this conversation is long, but it was totally worth the watch. I love conversations about sports vs martial arts vs combat when everyone comes in with humility and honesty with what they know and do. Thanks for the watch and listen, Rokas and Shintaro!
Great interview, thanks for sharing!
Excellent work Rokas your contribution to the martial arts community is significant I'm learning alot.
Outstanding content in this conversation. I often watch Shintaro's takedown and throw tips for my BJJ.
The same, they say happened with Karate earlier in time. After the war, Jirogo Kano travelled the world and wanted to use Judo as a means to promote world peace. One of his goals was to make it an olympic sport. That necessarily included tightening it up with a lots of rules.
I really hope you do more content with Shintaro - watching you two spar would be incredible!
That was a fantastic discussion. Keep 'em coming.
Speaking of rank our coach really makes sure you deserve that black belt. Typically I’d say most students take as long from brown to black as they do from white to brown. I personally have been at brown belt for 2 years. We have an old school former Olympian coach. He’s 60 with a pacemaker and will do randori with his eyes closed and beat anyone of any rank and any weight that’s been in the gym, it’s an incredible thing to watch.
"I went to one class and they didn't sand bag me. I guess it doesn't work"
Long but great interview. I stayed to the end.
I just bought Shintaro's instructional on stiff arms today but haven't looked it yet. My humble experience so far is that as a pretty bad brown belt in judo, I had the feeling that I couldn't really throw anybody who was defensive, and once I started BJJ as well, I very rarely threw anybody from the BJJ school. We start all BJJ fights standing, and most pull guard right away, so it is even harder to get a throw. But other judokas there do throw almost everybody. And "rarely" still means that I am one of the few who do takedowns instead of guard pulls.
Then had a breakthrough. I worked on my tomoe nage, sumi gaeshi, and osoto gari (Danaher's instructionals are amazing. So is Shintaro's on tomoe nage). My success rate shot through the roof. Now if you stiff-arm me and bend forward, i will flip you with tomoe nage at least 95% of the time. You let me take grips and come close, I will get an osoto gari (again, Danaher) quite often. Sumi against single leg--so-so; needs more work. Wrestlers with good balance usually stay on top, but there is hope. Next on the list is perfecting hiza guruma. The word is that it works great against BJJ posture.
So, I think that somewhere between brown and black belt most judokas get past the stiff arms problem and will impress you.
Great discussion and I love Shintaros way of analyzing. You just feel the experience he has in this matter. Great insights here. First time in a long time a watched a video that long
Shintaro is awesome. Loved this interview!
Oh yes a long one! Coffee, cookies and get ready to learn 😎
Great interview! 👍🏾
FANTASTIC video!!! Loved it!
Great conversation. We need more videos like this.
Will do
I often have the impression in those "what is the best martial art" "who has the strongest brown belts" or "they are push overs" arguments, that it is forgotten, that most people in martial arts do them as recreational sports and not competativly.
In Germany you have to be a certain age (16?) to become a brown belt (and I think 18 for black. you needed at least 1 year between tests for most belts.
And for black/brown belts you needed to do special workshops outside of the dojo and special people to test you. Also for the black belt now most of the test is a traditional judo kata.
So how do you judge people doing judo for years just for fun and never trained for hard fights. Do you judge a sports of those people?
So as a kid up to college I went once or twice a month to training, did a bit cross training with aikido and German Jujutsu. and now have paused for 10 years.
Of course I would be a push over when I go with my brown belt back in a Dojo. So what?
Maybe, one aspect of a sport is also how healthy it is for the person. Aikido and Judo can be done for ages with a quite minimal injury risk. When you do a lot of heavy boxing, not so good.
I wish martial arts would also be more realistic about that. Not everybody wants to be a real fighter and rather thinks martial arts are more interesting than jogging.
Great discussion! Well done!
Thanks for sharing this discussion.
I practiced judo for a lot of time in collegue years. And i remembered the first classes were all about learning how to break a fall properly to avoid injury and then mostly newaza techniques, and when i finally did some tachiwaza it was with higher ranking judokas that made my life hell. By the end of my judo journey I was a green belt, and imo, judo works when someone is trying to grab you with very little effort you can send someone flying, it has its uses.
Love the long video man
Thanks! I have been refraining from releasing long videos for a while now, but encouragements like yours makes me reconsider it :)
Quite enjoyed that little chat.. Thanks boys!
I appreciate these martial artist's you bring in they are always humble and kind and generous in the sharing of their experience. Greatly appreciated. Really man can't thank you enough for your work.
Thank you
Shintaro just gave one of the best and well grounded discussion of Martial Arts that I have ever heard. Everything he said, on very different topics, was convincing, well argumented, and properly nuanced and not faith-based.
In the dojo I grew up in, a beginner would never get hard training or abused.
I saw on mcdojo where a 7yr old boy was killed by a ridiculous "judo" person who was literally rag dolling this boy. He was new and it was very sad and needless.
I really enjoy this video. Great work
Awesome convo, dudes. I'm gonna have to bring people up from Pittsburgh to train with Shintaro!
The interviewer is looking for a flaw in Judo. Saying there is no ground technique. But there is ground technique. BJJ was born from Judo ne waza. I spent my first five years in Judo at a club that did a ton of ne waza every practice. Anyway, if you are talking about a street fight, then the last thing you want to do is go to the ground. A hard tai toshi with a finishing stomp to your foe's head will be more effective than trying to drag them to the ground and submit them. While you are rolling around on the ground their friend comes up and stabs you in the back. In the street you need to be able to stay on your feet and be aware of everything else that is happening around you. You might just have to run. Rolling with BJJ will not help you, where as a quick Judo throw and taking off running might.
What a great conversation.
Love how educated this judo dude is and how he keeps it to facts while always being respectful ,..very good interview, a must see for all martial arts.
Great interview! I really like Shintaro explanation and general positive mindset
Really like this guy, would be great to attend a class with him.
Shintaro seems so cool! I'm looking forward to meeting him and getting to train with him too!
Loved the video! One thing I would have loved to hear discussed, is that, if you question about judo being useful in self defense, you should also consider that in a real self defense situation, if the other person is in a very stiff low position, kind of a bjj stand, he is 1) in a very bad position against punches and 2) If the other person is just trying to get out of there and being overly defensive, maybe then you are being overly aggresive and not him anymore. It doesnt mean you shouldnt learn how to deal with that, but I think for a self defense situation you are still in a better position, and of course, learning striking game will help a lot with that
Also, about ne waza, I think it really depends on the dojo, I first trained bjj, then trained judo at a dojo that didnt focus on ne waza but luckily also had bjj classes in the same place, so almost everyone crosss trained and the experience was awesome
Don't forget that he talked about bjj like it was the magical answer. You can't compare bjj and judo and then only talk about judos problems as a sport compared to real life fights, just take a single look at bjj and you realise it's as flawed if not more, competitors are often thought to not even care about take downs, most of them just imeadeatly roll down on the ground into a guard position as soon as the other person has any take down skills, imagine a real street fight and someone just rolls down in front of you, or even if they get you in a guard on the ground, he's just going to pound down on your face and you can't do anything, I mena that's what khabib always did, just get them on the ground and "smash" their face in and they re defenceless hoping that the bell will ring, but u don't have a bell in real life
Yep, if in a self defense situation your opponent is just being defensive then you already solved half the problem! You are not getting attacked lol
Yes , that person in an overly defensive bent down position, is in a very good position to receive strikes ; this is thinking about a self defense situation of course , not of a sports like situation. I always thought that Judo needed to be complemented with strikes , thinking about self defense circumstances , the sports circumstance is very different . I was a Judo brown belt in my youth
What a great conversation!
This is a very good podcast. Good questions and great answers. I learned a lot. Thanks. Osu.
Excellent video, I trained in Judo to brown belt. Tae Kwon Do to 2nd Degree, Karate to 4th Dan. I have been a Kickboxer and also trained at Wing Chun, Lau Gar, Kali, and Japanese Ju Jitsu. You can learn from all. I have met too many who say their style has everything and there is no need to train in anything else.
If you had to do it again.. which msrisl arts would you have stayed with?
Fun fact, if they added open hand strikes like in sumo, judo would be one hell of a spectator sport for the olympics... And having in mind there are strikes in the self defense forms, it would technically be true to the source
Man, that was way more thoughtful than I expected. Great job guys.
I love how you always seek the truth, Rokas. Keep up the good work 👍
He sounds like a cult member that got away from his cult and treated his next interest like a replacement for his cult. It's kind of an arrogant thing to ask why aren't these black belts good enough to rag doll me? 2hen they think he's a newbie white belt and they're treating him with respect. Since he has multiple years of grappling now he should be totally forthcoming with that walking in the door.
We have a black belt in bjj and judo. I’m a blue belt but did judo as a kid. The bjj black belt hits foot sweeps, throws (of a judo persuasion) like no one’s business; even with resisting opponents. It seems judo lends quite a lot.
long story short: Judo is a low yield and takes A LOT of time to make it effective in real scenarios.
@@meh6947 not according to gene labell. There are different variations of judo as well
@@meh6947 Not true, but it depends (like with any MA) how you are taught. I have used judo in street fights and later as a Cop to control and stop people. I credit judo as perhaps why I never had an excessive force compliant during my time. Along that vein, Japanese police extensively train in judo, but its not the same as the sports oriented Judo we think of in other places. Ergo, its not Judo but how yoou are taugh it.
Wow! This guest is great! He has a very nuanced view and the discussion was very interesting
I really enjoy your content!
So much wisdom and truth in this interview. Quality content Bro
BTW Shared this with all my students and fellow judoka.
Nice! Thanks
You can tell a great teacher by his answers. Shintaro Higashi is certainly one.
In the age of aphorisms of 280 characters max it's good to find nuence.
The Lord bless you and keep you Rokas, im excited that im able to move one of the muscles in my left leg that hasnt moved in over 5 years. Cant wait for our sparring match when I get out of this wheelchair. Shalom Rokas, I will pray for your health! 🙏😊
Great discussion, guys
53:53: If BJJ becomes an olympíc sport, it'll exactly like judo, since groundfighting is not spectator-friendly
I think you underestimate how much Akido improved your core balance and grappling skills. I've grappled against a newbies in Judo/BJJ, who were former Akido practitioners and they always amazed me how great their balance, composer, grappling and grip game was.
This. I've been doing Aikido for nearly two years now and Judo for six months. The sense of balance I've developed through Aikido coupled with Aikido's ukemi allowed me to jump right into receiving judo throws on day one. My Aikido has really benefited my judo and continues to do so.
Nobody said that there were no benefits in doing aikido, however a lot of people say that it's ineffective as a combat method, and they're right.
Love this discussion!
Very good content! Tkx for making the hard questions and let us hear Shintaro answers. I had been in the under 15 years old training of Flavio Cantos's training school (Gama Filho) and a lot of other dojos before because my family moved a lot. Never gone aftter or got a black belt or even a brown belt, but did had almost 10 years of Judo expirience. As a 50 Kg high school I had sparring for fun with bigger and stronger non-judo friends on normal clothes in school, and on swinsuit in the beach. I could trow then quite easily using Olympic Judo. Almost 10 years after I stopped training (67 kg) do to a surgery, I have gone to a BJJ dojo (here in Brazil we call it just Jiu Jutsu), the sensei seeing that I had Judo background send me a blue belt that was a little stronger than me. He had no chance againts me on foot. When the training started in the ground I could not just resist, but actually imobilized him. In my Judo mind, I imobilized him for more than 25 seconds and won:). When I was worned out he starts to have advantage on me:( in the ground, but could not finish me (I played a turtle, as you said, a lot of times).
In Brazil 15 to 20 years ago the majority of the middle class boys have attendend to some Judo school. A lot of social projects spread Judo in slums too. Flavio Canto built the strongest Rio de Janeiro's team out of a slum (Instituto Reação). Brazil is still great in Judo nowadays, but, at that time, we maybe were the best country in the Sport. Even with the great success of the volleyball team, Judo was the second national Sport, losing only to soccer at that time. It is still the sport that Brazil has more medals in the Olympics.
As Shintaro said, BJJ came from Judo expansion through the world. I actually learned and trained juji gatame (arm lock) and choke techniques (shime-waza) a lot of times during judo training (even in randoris, sparing). Could I use it in 5 seconds during a competiton to win a fight like Canto a couple of times, no. My newaza techiniques were much more driven to imobilize than to finish the opponent. Judo training is about 80% on feet and 20% on the ground like the sensei said, but Judo and Jiu Jutsu look very similar martial arts to mee, that today focus on different aspects. One of the Helio Gracie's most famous fights is a loss against a Judo world champion 15 kg heavier that finishes Helio with an arm lock.
For a real fight, I think both Judo and Jiu-jutsu lack of strike attack. They both will make you better than an amateur with the same physique. Tough there is no garantee that the fight does not end before they are close enough so you grap your opponent. You can mix amateur strikes after a judo throw technique without going to the ground. A trown in irregular concrete terrain can actually hurts a lot and gives you the position advantage to strike your opponent a lot of times(it is used in MMA). BJJ is spread around the world because is really useful to finish an opponent if you get to ground with them. You sure can choke or fracture an arm of your opponent if you manage to get him to the ground.
I think BJJ is worse to get an oponent to go to the ground, but they will destroy the opponent if it goes to the ground. Today's Olympic Judo is really good to put an opponent to the ground, but they will have to exploit this advantage (being on your feet while the opponent is in the fround) with amateur punches after the throw.
I just started watching but calling Chadi "some youtuber friend" is really hillarious lol Chadi and Shintaro Higashi know each other they did a podcast
Haha, I didn't know that before our talk! 😄 I also didn't want to put Chadi on the spotlight
@@MartialArtsJourney lol too late for that since you sort of put his whole judo club in a spot light and we all now wonder why was there not a single person that could throw bjj blue belt:D it does not really put that club in a good light for sure
@@frederickmorton275 now he has a class full of Olympic level black belts gunning for him. Lets see if theyre so nice next time
@@sliderx1897 i really doubt they were olympic level judokas though- it surely didn't look like it. having said that high level judokas would not go hard in white belt or even yellow and orange belts
@@frederickmorton275 he said it was an Olympic class didnt he
Good Day,
I won’t be “politically correct” as I prefer to be straightforward,
I did not like the approach you took on in the video and I watched it fully. I do appreciate Shintaro Coach/Sensei and the outlook he gave.
First of all the title is very misleading which is good for clicks but does not represent the content of the interview.
There is this stupid divide/fight/controversy, between Judo and BJJ on which is the "most effective and original" actually none is, both are useful to train for different reasons so both are great, the only divide, are money interests.
Kosen judo is an interesting style and I suggest you try it, unfortunately, it is mostly practised in Japan, at the universities of Tokyo, Kyoto, Tohoku Kyushu, Hokkaido, Osaka and Nagoya, collectively known as the Seven Imperial Universities, Nanatei Jūdō (七帝柔道).
Shintaro Sensei seems very patient and polite and he gives quite complete answers,
You practised for 14 years Aikido which is great and taught for 7. I respect that because that means you put time and effort into your activity, but during this time didn't you “cross” train with other disciplines? Just to compare? Or out of curiosity?
Also, from Aikido, you probably know how to fall and you are a blue belt in BJJ which is a practice of around 2 or 3 years where people also do some takedown drills and fight standing on some occasions so you should already have had an idea of a Randori right? The truth is that in most BJJ clubs they do not teach most of the times people how to fall correctly, rather they teach a mixed amount of break falls which are not that effective when a real throw comes into play, moreover, they start from kneeling positions, something, that many BJJ teachers have also pointed out as a wrong practice as no contest/ situation starts from a kneeling position everything starts from a standing position. Again depends on the school but people starting in their 30's or more would go for the kneeling part of training as it is very hard to learn to trust to be thrown and break fall correctly and as such standing training won't "sell" right of the bat, but you with the Aikido experience should not have this issue.
You then say that you joined an "Olympic" training center or team, as you say in another video, the fact is that in France the training centers are very few, and very specific places and the training center for the Olympic/National team is not the one you have in your video, in your video you train with ACBB www.acbbjudo.com/ here is the link so people can see the same dojo.
It is a Division 1 Judo club certainly not the Olympic team, it has produced some National team members but you joined a normal training session not a high performance/competitors session, and even in a high-level training they would never smash you for sure, especially when you show up with a white belt, that should and would never happen and especially in your case and the way you did randori.
Also there, they probably knew that you either probably could not fall correctly or manage a proper throw, or you knew how to fall but had such a stiff and resistant posture as I saw in the video where it would make it dangerous for them to force you in order to throw you as you could get injured from your own stiff resistance or they could get injured along with you.
Also, I have observed that you repeat the phrase “thrown around like a rag doll” why do you have this concept? this is a very wrong approach mentally/ Psychologically speaking.
From where does the assumption/expectation, that someone new must be beaten come from?
For me, all these "beating, smashing" etc expressions when it regards not buddies but newcomers and that seem "cool" are very toxic as in certain clubs they beat the newcomer to prove that they are the “real deal” but guess what, these clubs rarely have more success than the regional level and it goes against everything Judo and BJJ represent which is, respect for the Uke(teammate who you train with) and protecting each other while training, as you progress through each other not against him, in judo this is very nicely stipulated by the adage 自他共栄 which means literally “me, you mutual progress” or mutual effort for mutual benefit, that is why as well both practices are considered as a team activity so in a healthy mindset we shouldn't hate anything, like "judo is the best" or "BJJ is the best" No, both should be learnt and practised, as they can benefit greatly, drill, mat, train, repeat, adjust, train some more.
“Belts are to tie your trousers” a Japanese world and Olympic champion once said to me. And that it is true you can’t judge anyone by the belt he has, as some trained a lot and stopped and/or restarted, some got their belts because of time passed in the club regardless of effort, it is very random, depend the place and location of the dojo, you can find an old wolf "smeshing or killing" new generation and/or a young cub "killing or smeshing" regulars to use the "current" expressions etc. Shintaro sensei pointed out this really well
What I propose to you is, instead of trying to talk and overthink things, just pause the video making, train in a Judo or a SAMBO club for a while (and why not combine it with BBJ) learn correctly how to allow yourself to fall even like a "rag doll...." for a year and then make videos and have expectations.
You can't have expectations based on false assumptions that are derived from lack of experience, because a blue belt in BJJ and a Brown in Judo are just starting the journey or if no belt criteria are used to assess this better get a real experience with time and effort invested in these, just like you did with Aikido and you will stop having “expectations” and you will have real training experience, train, train, and train again, mat time is the real deal get tapped, tap people, throw, repeat and go on keep on training, all the rest is talk and blah blah blah to get clicks, everyone can pick up a mic and say I am this or that, and equally, everyone can put the mic to rest for a while and start training to get to the correct conclusions and then make a video.
So true (at least many things). We need this to be top comment
@@jestfullgremblim8002 Thank you, I just tried to do a reality check because "expectations" based on false assumptions give dangerous impressions as results and in social media unfortunately it is more about creating impressions rather than being factual.
@@judopanda9246 exactly
love the honesty of this chapter
I am exceedingly impressed with Shintaro Higashi's easy command of the martial art and knowing where Rokas was coming from and his no nonsense style, but very open and evaluative and understanding in his dialogue. Just based on this interview hearing him, I would want to join his gym-you know it will be the genuine thing. I am going straight to his channel after I finish this vid!!!
Thank you for finally addressing Judo, this video finally convinced me about my doubts of Judo and BJJ what I would like better. Thank you!
In regards to Bjj vs judo culture, I’ve had a much different experience than the example you presented. The local judo community( pretty much 50+ mile radius) here is very friendly and we all visit and train with each other, while I notice tribalism in the bjj world. That is, if you’re at a bjj school not affiliated with another, you can’t go train with them without being labeled a traitor or shady in some way. Having said that, the judo schools do have more strict etiquette, but coming from a traditional martial arts background, I’m ok with it.
Indeed, this seems to vary somewhat by region. I'm in a place in the world where there is much enmity between BJJ schools. But I've traveled places where there's no such thing. I think BJJ over-emphasizes a performance-based culture, and that attracts and retains the more competitive, meat-headed types :-/. Olympic judo can be the same sort of way, but I think Kano's philosophy is intended to apply Judo to the whole person, throughout life, and if people catch that ideal, it creates a very positive and open minded environment.
Bruh this is true. I do Judo 2 times a week and our sensei encourages us to train in other clubs aswell to get more judo experience. We even train with another club sometimes.
Same, local judo club is laid back while my local BJJ is filled with dude bros and UFC wannabes
Thanks for the truth brother , you really opened my eyes.
Great perspective, and yeah...for Aikidoka: Cross train, and cross train early on. Know what it is and isn't, what it contributes and what it lacks. Love it! And for martial arts teachers...embed cross training in your curriculum, that is the key. Embed what you believe, add what will build the Aikido skills that it may not be providing. Keep it up, my friend!
That part at the end about becoming disillusioned and hating your style, that you feel you've wasted your time to only go back full circle and start to appreciate everything that you've done. That's very relatable. Although it doesn't help when instructors in those arts say things like it's too deadly to spar, so not entirely my fault or yours Rokas.
Judo club always go easy on newbies, you can get seriously injured since you have little experience
Brilliant conversation
great conversation!