Love ya shintaro! It is great to see a grappling fan who has such a round and wholesome understanding of wrestling, judo and bjj. Love ya man. Happy memorial day
Osu. Some people learn through Judo, Karate, BJJ.. hell, some learn through Golf. The style of martial art is not strictly important because a HUGE percentage of us will not compete at the olympics/ a world championship let alone win won. The best result in ALL cases is a person learns something that they enjoy, helps them develop as a person and they don't get hurt. Osu, from a Shinkyokushin Kai.
I practiced judo and kendo 1985 to 1995 aikido and kendo. 2000 Brazil jujitsu in Torrance. I work in Jeffersonvill Indiana and Shepardvill Kentucky, I use it when, I need it.
Fantastic interview! Love your channel and loved to hear your thoughts on this topic. I'm not interested in the question of 'Judo vs BJJ?' in terms of which is better so much as the question of 'how can we start to maximize what we can learn from each other?' - and that includes learning from SAMBO too, we're all family. In order to facilitate more of this interaction I am also very interested in the question of whether we could possibly come up with a ruleset that would allow a judoka, a sambist or a BJJ practitioner to come in and each would have a chance of doing reasonably well in competition with the different skills we already have. It's something I've been doing a lot of thinking about lately, and I believe it is possible, but tricky to get it right. Would love to get your thoughts on this!
You referenced DAMAC? As in the judo school in dayton ohio? I train there and was super surprised to hear it mentioned if that's what you were referring to.
This is so nice to hear. I am older and have been doing bjj for about 5 years. It is nice to see judo experts speak respectfully about bjj. It is also nice to hear people who actually know about bjj and have engaged with bjj in a respectful way, who are not totally ignorant about the personalities in bjj or about how it works. I tried to do judo and I attended a local class for a month or two but I got so fed up with the lies and ignorance people would say about bjj so I quit--and that was bad for the judo school because I would have been a dedicated student, ready and willing to pay. It's also bad for me because I lost out on doing judo, at least at that club. There is a lot of envy directed at bjj from judo guys, and just stupid dismissive hate, and it's not by accident that I came across people with that point of view it's really pervasive and you can see it in individuals you meet and also in the online comments from judokas about bjj. That is something that is really everywhere in the judo community. That makes your comments and point of view that much more valuable to me, and thank you for that. Also I like your awareness of the difference between sport judo and combat judo, and I like your awareness of which techniques lead to injury and your steering your dojo away from things that cause injuries, including randori. Similarly the Gracie University schools have pretty stringent rules about when people can roll. Also I like your awareness of the strengths of the bjj community, although I'm not sure you're getting the whole picture. I believe the real commercial success of bjj in the US is all about Renzo Gracie and UFC 1. If the judo community built a self defense version of judo and put it in the UFC and mentioned by name the students using it with success in UFC that would make a big difference. Judo is basically for 13 year olds trying to get into a good college, young athletes trying to get into the Olympics, and old farts trying to hold their positions in the judo world (I mean I actually love judo but I'm talking about the mindset of people going into it in the US). The judo schools don't take themselves seriously--they rent space in other gyms, only offer two classes a week, and the teachers are mostly shit who are mean to their students. They lie about their sport, about other sports, are totally ignorant of the types of injury and the types of behavior that lead to injury. BJJ on the other hand has excellent teachers, you can't find a black belt who is not a monster athlete, and anyone can do it. And there are dangerous bjj schools but overall I would say bjj schools are pretty safety conscious (maybe not the mma places). But I love judo and I love bjj and I really wish I could have found a respectful local school. So thanks to both of you for this wonderful podcast, best podcast about bjj and judo by knowledgeable judokas.
Thanks for the Show. Great perspectives. Judo Sensei here. We don't even teach Osoto-gari as a first throw any more. The consequences of the throw are so dangerous and painful for beginners. I have learned also teaching the proper throw to the body type is always best. The beginning steps are basically the same for many forward throws. Tall heavy students Harai, Ogoshi all day, Seo. is tough for taller bigger students. save that one for my shorter stalky students. Curios to hear your thoughts about speed of bjj vs judo. I have worked out with bjj clubs and they always tell me to calm down. Personally I think its kind of a control thing for them to control white belts who freak out which I understand. but at the top level of bjj they move fast in tournaments. I dont understand practicing at a slow speed? Allowing someone to wrap his gi around your leg or giving him enough time to even get grips?. Before I roll with bjj people I have to apologize because in Judo randori we move at the speed of the fight. If i choose to sit down and move slow its like allowing a python to strangle you. Any ways its always good to hear good Judokas bringing Judo knowledge to the bjj crowd. Thanks again.
90% of fights end up on the ground, but 100% start standing up. God I hope Judo never ends up like bjj. It's just become a business. I can't tell you how many bjj people I trained with, that couldn't take a fall. It's fall to the ground that usually ends the fight by way of broken arm, concussion, or just getting the air knocked out of them.
I had the reverse of this in Judo. Went in and got paired with a brown belt to do newaza. He kept saying "don't worry, you'll get the hang of it after a while." Then we went on to spar and after catching him in a triangle for the third time in a row inside of 2 minutes he asked what was going on. 🤪🤪🤪
I did that but the black belt wasn't welcome, bjj belt only. If you wear a bjj belt though, people think your sand bagging and want you to wear your belt color they think you should be at. Also in bjj people complain too much if they get thrown (well and safely) they'd rather be thrown with no control by spazzy practitioners with bad wrestling. I guess they love injuries.
It’s the high amplitude of certain judo throws. I get double legged and single legged all the time in training, and it’s not a big deal. But the first time I got hit by Harai Goshi it was far more intense. And BJJ guys in general are less familiar with judo throws than wrestling so it’s all alien.
Love ya shintaro! It is great to see a grappling fan who has such a round and wholesome understanding of wrestling, judo and bjj. Love ya man. Happy memorial day
I'm a blue belt in jiu-jitsu and I just started judo and I am in love, I thought my throws were good but these judoka are next level
Shintarrooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
Let's go! Hype for the video
Osu. Some people learn through Judo, Karate, BJJ.. hell, some learn through Golf. The style of martial art is not strictly important because a HUGE percentage of us will not compete at the olympics/ a world championship let alone win won. The best result in ALL cases is a person learns something that they enjoy, helps them develop as a person and they don't get hurt. Osu, from a Shinkyokushin Kai.
I have so much respect for Shintaro !
Thank you 🙏
I practiced judo and kendo 1985 to 1995 aikido and kendo. 2000 Brazil jujitsu in Torrance. I work in Jeffersonvill Indiana and Shepardvill Kentucky, I use it when, I need it.
Oh nice, ¡Kendo! Never practiced it but my parents liked it to dead and wanted to introduce it to me. Never got in tho haha
Fantastic interview! Love your channel and loved to hear your thoughts on this topic.
I'm not interested in the question of 'Judo vs BJJ?' in terms of which is better so much as the question of 'how can we start to maximize what we can learn from each other?' - and that includes learning from SAMBO too, we're all family.
In order to facilitate more of this interaction I am also very interested in the question of whether we could possibly come up with a ruleset that would allow a judoka, a sambist or a BJJ practitioner to come in and each would have a chance of doing reasonably well in competition with the different skills we already have. It's something I've been doing a lot of thinking about lately, and I believe it is possible, but tricky to get it right.
Would love to get your thoughts on this!
Yo luv Your knowledge ! !
2:55 This is exactly why I always ask new students if they've had any grappling or martial arts experience when I'm coaching 😅
You referenced DAMAC? As in the judo school in dayton ohio? I train there and was super surprised to hear it mentioned if that's what you were referring to.
The learning curve for judo is huge in comparison to BJJ. From 0, how many hours before someone can use a throw live?
Thanks for sharing! Good ideas. Good comparisons between Judo vs BJJ (both ways).
This is so nice to hear. I am older and have been doing bjj for about 5 years. It is nice to see judo experts speak respectfully about bjj. It is also nice to hear people who actually know about bjj and have engaged with bjj in a respectful way, who are not totally ignorant about the personalities in bjj or about how it works. I tried to do judo and I attended a local class for a month or two but I got so fed up with the lies and ignorance people would say about bjj so I quit--and that was bad for the judo school because I would have been a dedicated student, ready and willing to pay. It's also bad for me because I lost out on doing judo, at least at that club. There is a lot of envy directed at bjj from judo guys, and just stupid dismissive hate, and it's not by accident that I came across people with that point of view it's really pervasive and you can see it in individuals you meet and also in the online comments from judokas about bjj.
That is something that is really everywhere in the judo community. That makes your comments and point of view that much more valuable to me, and thank you for that.
Also I like your awareness of the difference between sport judo and combat judo, and I like your awareness of which techniques lead to injury and your steering your dojo away from things that cause injuries, including randori. Similarly the Gracie University schools have pretty stringent rules about when people can roll. Also I like your awareness of the strengths of the bjj community, although I'm not sure you're getting the whole picture. I believe the real commercial success of bjj in the US is all about Renzo Gracie and UFC 1. If the judo community built a self defense version of judo and put it in the UFC and mentioned by name the students using it with success in UFC that would make a big difference. Judo is basically for 13 year olds trying to get into a good college, young athletes trying to get into the Olympics, and old farts trying to hold their positions in the judo world (I mean I actually love judo but I'm talking about the mindset of people going into it in the US). The judo schools don't take themselves seriously--they rent space in other gyms, only offer two classes a week, and the teachers are mostly shit who are mean to their students. They lie about their sport, about other sports, are totally ignorant of the types of injury and the types of behavior that lead to injury. BJJ on the other hand has excellent teachers, you can't find a black belt who is not a monster athlete, and anyone can do it. And there are dangerous bjj schools but overall I would say bjj schools are pretty safety conscious (maybe not the mma places).
But I love judo and I love bjj and I really wish I could have found a respectful local school. So thanks to both of you for this wonderful podcast, best podcast about bjj and judo by knowledgeable judokas.
Thanks for the Show. Great perspectives. Judo Sensei here. We don't even teach Osoto-gari as a first throw any more. The consequences of the throw are so dangerous and painful for beginners. I have learned also teaching the proper throw to the body type is always best. The beginning steps are basically the same for many forward throws. Tall heavy students Harai, Ogoshi all day, Seo. is tough for taller bigger students. save that one for my shorter stalky students. Curios to hear your thoughts about speed of bjj vs judo. I have worked out with bjj clubs and they always tell me to calm down. Personally I think its kind of a control thing for them to control white belts who freak out which I understand. but at the top level of bjj they move fast in tournaments. I dont understand practicing at a slow speed? Allowing someone to wrap his gi around your leg or giving him enough time to even get grips?. Before I roll with bjj people I have to apologize because in Judo randori we move at the speed of the fight. If i choose to sit down and move slow its like allowing a python to strangle you. Any ways its always good to hear good Judokas bringing Judo knowledge to the bjj crowd. Thanks again.
my knee got fucked by a BJJ black belt doing a tani otoshi when visiting our judo dojo. seriously fuck that throw.
Any kendo dojo open in Los angels California?
90% of fights end up on the ground, but 100% start standing up. God I hope Judo never ends up like bjj. It's just become a business. I can't tell you how many bjj people I trained with, that couldn't take a fall. It's fall to the ground that usually ends the fight by way of broken arm, concussion, or just getting the air knocked out of them.
Great talk
Any recommendations for a judo dojo in TX?
I had the reverse of this in Judo. Went in and got paired with a brown belt to do newaza. He kept saying "don't worry, you'll get the hang of it after a while." Then we went on to spar and after catching him in a triangle for the third time in a row inside of 2 minutes he asked what was going on. 🤪🤪🤪
lol. too funny
Modified tani otoshi with your head behind your opponent is relatively safe.
I stopped doing judo for 4 years and the biggest barrier was my hands just got destroyed
I have my 9 year old daughter training judo as well as bjj. Its made a her a better grappler ane competitor...
What’s the point of going through BJJ when it’s just Judo newaza? Seems redundant
I did that but the black belt wasn't welcome, bjj belt only.
If you wear a bjj belt though, people think your sand bagging and want you to wear your belt color they think you should be at.
Also in bjj people complain too much if they get thrown (well and safely) they'd rather be thrown with no control by spazzy practitioners with bad wrestling. I guess they love injuries.
It’s the high amplitude of certain judo throws. I get double legged and single legged all the time in training, and it’s not a big deal. But the first time I got hit by Harai Goshi it was far more intense. And BJJ guys in general are less familiar with judo throws than wrestling so it’s all alien.