I am so glad you know the difference between Damascus Steel and Modern Pattern Welded Steel that everyone refers to as Damascus. While the definition has essentially changed and both do leave a distinct pattern on the blade (probably why they ended up being confused then lopped together), they are two different things.
I believe that someone who wanted Damascus couldn't get the real thing and figured out a way to make patterns and called it Damascus to make them feel better. LOL jk
In addition the iron in their main mine had a specific natural make up of alloying elements. So combine their specialized process with the natural alloy you get Damascus Steel. There are a few small forges that have put tons of research into developing (rediscovering) the specific process steps.
@@CrymsonNite there is a really good documentary on it but I don't have a link nor remember the name or I'd pass it on to everyone. There was no true recipe but the ore that they used from that mine had qualities that was not found in other mines. Like Shadaris said those elements combines with their forging process made it far superior than others and why it was desired so much.
IRL, possibly tungsten carbide for knives. There are some titanium alloys that could work. But those all have downsides, they're generally brittle and/or don't hold an edge well. Steel and its alloys provide the best mix of hardness, edge retention, flexibility (important for most swords), etc.
I actually read a study a while back about historical Damascus steel swords. This study actually found naturally occurring carbon nanotubes within the blade. (Carbon nanotubes are basically one of the strongest building blocks on the nanoscale. Carbon bonds are extremely strong, imaging taking a sheet of carbon bonds and rolling it into a tube. Think carbon fiber but it's build from the nanoscale up. This technology has been used by MIT to make "Dragonscale" body armor that is as light as cloth yet able to withstand rpg fire with zero penetration.) With that kind of background, and how difficult/expensive it is to make carbon nanotubes today, it's pretty amazing that they were somehow able to create swords with naturally occurring carbon nanotubes, which also tells us why they were so sharp/strong!
It is not hard to make carbon nanotubes today. They can be bought in bulk for a relatively low price. There are various techniques to include them in steel. The simplest being sintering. The nanotubes found in Damascus steel were not particularly structurally dispersed and most likely coincidental by products of the melting and forging
Ok, the Damascus name is misleading. This is where they used alot of this kind steel to make some of the finest swords of the time but not where the steel was actually made. They bought is ingots of Crucible Steel from southern India where part of the Crucible Steel making progress they used was to add small sticks of a local plant to the Crucible before it was sealed and fired. These sticks are the source of the carbon nanotubes which are from the natural structure of the plant.
Fun fact. Original Damascus steel came from a mine in southern India. Blacksmiths in Damascus bought that steel and convinced people they had some special method for making swords when in fact they just had a really good natural material.
If you are folding steel, IE, japanese methods, you are redistributing the carbon content, and pushing out impurities. The only difference between the core of a Japanese blade and it's hard outter shell is the carbon content within the two pieces of steel. Mono-alloys have their place, but they can also have their shortcomings. Most modern pattern welded steel isn't folded, it's just forge welded, cut, stacked, forge welded again, rinse and repeat to attain the number of layers you want.
@@Joker-em6oz Not quite. The difference is that the steel used in pattern welded steel is modern, 'clean' steel. The reason for folding as the Japanese do is to distribute the carbon and move the impurities out of the steel. While layer counts increase with both, that's all they have in common. Once the layer count is achieved in pattern welded material, the bladesmith can alter the patter in many ways, hence the term.
@@mikeford963 those processes are doing the same thing, one is just more wasteful. Also some smiths do fold their steel to make Damascus. And Japanese smiths also manipulate the steel to show a pattern, just not like pattern welded steel is manipulated
@@Joker-em6ozThey aren't. Folding is just homogenizing steel whereas modern pattern welding is just working with already homogenous modern steel. Historically, patternwelded swords had to homogenize their starting material by folding before they can form twisted bars for a sword.
It is called wootz steel, and was from the south of India - Syrians didn't create it but used it to make swords that were highly sought after and it became famous because of it
@@adeelm9028 I have also repeatedly heard that we now think it was sourced in India. Indian Wootz steel in the 19th century was very prized and - I THINK - has a different and distinct pattern from what we think Damascus steel was, but you can put that down to the same concept being refined over centuries
Ancient Damascus was best in the very early Medieval period, late medieval, everyone understood the process of getting your iron molten to introduce carbons. Damascus didn’t try to keep the technology a secret.
The viking Ulfberth swords were made from crucible steel as well, there's a documentary on yt where a master blacksmith recreates the process and forges an ulfberth sword by hand. Really cool stuff. Edit: the name of the documentary is Secrets of the Viking sword
@@micahcampa That's incorrect mate, the ones that weren't crucible steel all had different spelling from the ones that were made from crucible steel. The ones that were made from crucible steel all had the same spelling, with the cross before the t.
If I recall correctly, the real "damascus" steel that gave it such a legendary reputation millenia ago was actually Wootz steel, which came from India. It was/is steel that is melted down with carbon source in a reducing (oxygen free) environment, leaving microscopic carbon crystals within the metal. It, supposedly, produced a steel strong enough to actually cut/rip through an opponents iron armor (though I'm not sure how deep the cut would be) yet flexible enough that it could be bent without shattering the blade. I could be wrong, but I believe modern analysis of ancient samples revealed that their crystalline structure also contained tiny carbon nanotubes, which potentially came from the bamboo that was used as the carbon source during smelting.
I am curious what you mean by high quality steel in this case, if we are comparing mechanical properties of crucible steel to smelted steel like in Western Europe or Japan it seems to be worse. Crucible steel (wootz)from that era would only harden to about 30 HRC and still be brittle due to impurities and heterogeneous carbide formation.
It's also the fact that pattern welded is more defined for the multiple layers to show up. Where as if you look at some of the other layered steels like in katanas it's meant to make it stronger. You fold it over and over to give it structure.
@@Kwitzats the process of making a katana involves folding the metal informally to remove the Impurities but to also create layers. This usually happens before the sandwich the 3 prices of metal together. The layers are in one uniformed direction like a book. That's why you don't really see patterns if someone etches a true katana. Now for showy prices they will twist and fold the metal to get more of the layers to show up.
@@micahcampa ok i looked again and yes the pattern does show but it's not to the level of dimascus patterns we see a lot of the times. Yes the hada and dimascus are both pattern welds.
I listened to a pod cast from stuff you should know. Their research led them to a specific steel mined from India. I would be curious to find it out for myself
Actually, original Damascus steel was that strong, mainly because of the ore that it came from, having being a mix of a couple of different metals that gave it strength (you can Google the name of the metals), and it didn't come from Damascus, the swords were just made there due to the high concentration of skilled sword makers in the region. The ore actually came from a region in India. It wasn't actually figured out what was in Damascus steel up until the late 1900's, due to most sword makers dying with their secrets.
I really hope there aren't that many people who think that a 1000-year-old recipe is anywhere near as good as modern steel. The same goes for concrete, so many people think that "concrete is just concrete, there is not that much difference, surely it can't be that complex"
Since I can hear your geiger counter going off, what about putting depleted uranium in the blade of a sword and making a sheathe out of lead? Protect the end user, but radiate anyone you slice with it?
DU is radioactive, but not so that it can harm, it emits alpha particles. It's mainly used in high strength materials, such as Armor piercing rounds in tank shells and tank armor.
@@Cowboyfan-wk6ww I've heard of DU being used in warhead payloads and tank rounds, but never in the armor of a tank? I'm curious of the effectiveness in that.
Its wootz steel from south india, crafted into weaponry for battles in Damascus Syria. Thats why you can find things like Sikh Khanda and Kirpan Damascus variants
Exactly, the ore was from india but it was crafted in syria thank you finally an educated indian who knows the difference between wootz stell/ore and Damascus steel
I heard that Damascus steel was refined in Damascus but came from someplace else. I also heard that the reason why the formula for Damascus was lost is because the mine ran dry and the high quality iron that they used was no longer available.
What is the usage? If you are looking for a replica or prop sword, aluminum is usually used because it's very light and has the right aesthetic after it oxidizes. If you want a functional sword, the pattern of the sword is more important than the type of steel. Fullering a sword decreases weight to some extent. But a rapier is almost always going to be lighter than a gladius simply for the fact that the sword is less broad and therefore uses less metal.
@@druvbopanna5879 Then you want steel. Preferably high carbon, 1080 or 1095. A rapier only weighs in the range of 1-2 lbs when it's all done. And most of the weight in a sword is in your hand, not in the blade.
@@druvbopanna5879 I mean, yeah, there are hundreds of alloys of steel that will work, but for ease of working, heat treating, and maintenance, there's a reason 1080/1095 are used in the blade world.
Well.. its not a heat issue. As even a wood fire can achieve temps to melt steel. The reason was sealing it from oxygen. But syria was more of a trade post. Wootz steel which was the original crucible steel primarily came from india
True Damascus also had a metal used in it that caused the molecules to line up making the patterns as the steel cooled the "mystery " metal is used up. We couldn't find what it was until we recently developed a new smaller magnetic measuring device. When we looked at raw iron we found a new metal in so small of an amount that we needed this new magnet measurement to find these trace amounts. Turns out it's in all iron. Just small amounts. Look it up iz kewl
True Damascus has also been forgotten with time and we don’t have the recipe for it. People get scammed because of modern Damascus thinking it’s some legend forged by gods but really it just looks neat
In love my three layer japanese kitchen knife. Outer layers are soft and flexible but stainless urinal steel. Core layer is high carbon hard as a file yet easy to sharpen rusty steel. Simplest of pattern welds, yet the best in my opnion.
Modern Damascus if done properly ends up giving it some better flexibility because its low or medium carbon steel and high carbon steel. The patterned Damascus is a look thing, but folded steel of different layers of carbon content without the stupid grinds in it does make a better sword
Fun fact: Damascus didn't produce steel on their own, they imported this steel from the southern part of India called Tamilnadu now.. They called it "Urukku" which is called wootz steel now...
Yesn’t the steel was often sold and worked in Damascus, but the material itself was not from there. It actually comes from southern India from where ingots were exported and was/is known as Wootz steel. Because Damascus also didn’t have ovens that hot, but southern India had.
The answer is: it wasn't made in Damascus Syria, It was made in India or Sri Lanka and it's name was Wootz, it was so goddamn fucking good because it was Nanotechnology from ancient times
Damascus was not the manufacturing center but rather the place where Europeans bought their steel from. The steel was made in India and sold in Damascus
Even high end damasteel isn't as good as the best knife steels available. You can still find excellent damascus worth carrying but it's really expensive most of the time.
Damascus steel is not originally from syria. People says its Damascus steel because there is a place in syria as same name, but reality is that Britisher first time see the Damascus steel in syria thats way we say Damascus steel but they import Damascus steel from India. Alexander also took approximately 2500kg of Damascus steel from India in his time.
I have a solid Damascus steel Jagdkommando Tri-dagger (display only) of the first type, with the fancy swirls and patterns. Pretty to look at, but ridiculously heavy for a knife of it's size due to being, again, solid Damascus steel.
Damascus steel is famous because, for it's time, it was hella hard. Amazing property for blade steel. Nowadays, we have way more harder steels, especially since phosphorus content in steel can be reduced to lowest amount ever possible. But microstructure is swirly. Source: Am studying metallurgical engineering.
Completely wrong, Damascus steel comes from southern India and is called Wootz. Syrians bought the high quality steel from India and made it into swords from there. But u did get the differentiation between the old and modern wootz steel.
He isn’t wrong tho, wootz in india at the time didn’t have any value so they sent it to the middle east and traded for horses. And in turn Damascus had the ability to melt it down and use it. Thus its called Damascus steel, because they where the first city to be able to melt it down and use it. You are one of few educated people in the comment section who knows the difference between wootz steel/ore and Damascus steel.
Okay that's interesting but you never answered the question. They say we can't even make a stronger steal today but even if that's not true it was certainly much stronger than anything else made back then why is that? What properties of the steal made it superior? Why is this steal such a big deal?
He said it was because they were one of the first to come up with crucible steel. It probably just got called Damascus steel because it came from Damascus and they had their own recipes suited to their environment
Damascus explained simply: Metal get hot, hammer go bang, metal get cut, metal get rehot, hammer go bang again, steel go cold fast, grinder go burr, acid go etch, ape Happy at pretty color and shapes on metal
I've heard Damascus cuts better because the different types of steel on the edge dull at different rates or something, and it creates something like very small serrations.
Hahaha. No man. Usually the pattern welded steel will be cladding (a shell), this leaves the core to be higher quality steel. This would also strengthen the knife, as the cladding would absorb shock. If the smith is an idiot, he'll do only pattern, which will dull at different rates (not enough to matter though.) Micro serrations always exist in knives. They are left from the abrasive (sharpening stone, grinding wheel, etc.) It produced microscopic teeth, even all the way up to 60,000 grit. Though, the size of the teeth does effect it's ability to cut. Contrary to what you may think, larger teeth are in fact better. So finishing with around 1000-2000 grit would produce a great looking edge, but have 'bite to cuts' easily slicing anything. The only times you would reasonably go higher are straight razors or fish knives. But those tasks are completely different to what normal knives or swords would see.
Damascus steel doesnt really come from damascus, the steel it was made of was called wootz steel and came from india/sri lanka and was used all over the near east, espicially in damascus tho since they had a thriving weapon industry. It had to do with the impurities naturally found in the ingots and since the exact process of processing it got lost over 200 years ago, no one is able to exactly reproduce it. Its a bit sad that you didnt mention any of this...
It wasn't crucible steel what it was was a purer iron smelt using a lot of sand to remove impurities from the iron as it melted in an enclosed mound that acted as a kiln.
To simplify: It's better because of cool swirl patterns
Each line adds +1 damage. :)
Who's gonna count all that?!
Engravings....... Give you no tactical advantave whatsoever
Engravings, give you every tactical advantage that I can possibly think of
Ik lol
I am so glad you know the difference between Damascus Steel and Modern Pattern Welded Steel that everyone refers to as Damascus. While the definition has essentially changed and both do leave a distinct pattern on the blade (probably why they ended up being confused then lopped together), they are two different things.
I believe that someone who wanted Damascus couldn't get the real thing and figured out a way to make patterns and called it Damascus to make them feel better. LOL jk
In addition the iron in their main mine had a specific natural make up of alloying elements. So combine their specialized process with the natural alloy you get Damascus Steel. There are a few small forges that have put tons of research into developing (rediscovering) the specific process steps.
i understood that steel was harder to make and therefore in shorter supply than iron so they mixed it.
If I recall correctly, the original recipe for true Damascus was lost, so people instead just copy the look.
@@CrymsonNite there is a really good documentary on it but I don't have a link nor remember the name or I'd pass it on to everyone. There was no true recipe but the ore that they used from
that mine had qualities that was not found in other mines. Like Shadaris said those elements combines with their forging process made it far superior than others and why it was desired so much.
Ur rong, it's "Damn, ask Gus" steel because there was one dude from Damascus who was ridiculously good at making steel
Ah good Ol' Gus.
@@thejesteramongfools Good ol Gus from Damascus, Syria.
I ugly laughed XD
They developed some pretty remarkable ceramic technology to hold the molten steel too- figured out how to grow mullite crystals in there.
I could hear Shad saying, "spring steel" And "blast furnace" While watching this.
What’s the hardest material/steel that you can make knifes/ swords with?
I'd also love to know the answer to that
Beskar
@@rhysgoodman7628 My man!
adamantium
IRL, possibly tungsten carbide for knives. There are some titanium alloys that could work.
But those all have downsides, they're generally brittle and/or don't hold an edge well.
Steel and its alloys provide the best mix of hardness, edge retention, flexibility (important for most swords), etc.
I actually read a study a while back about historical Damascus steel swords. This study actually found naturally occurring carbon nanotubes within the blade.
(Carbon nanotubes are basically one of the strongest building blocks on the nanoscale. Carbon bonds are extremely strong, imaging taking a sheet of carbon bonds and rolling it into a tube. Think carbon fiber but it's build from the nanoscale up. This technology has been used by MIT to make "Dragonscale" body armor that is as light as cloth yet able to withstand rpg fire with zero penetration.)
With that kind of background, and how difficult/expensive it is to make carbon nanotubes today, it's pretty amazing that they were somehow able to create swords with naturally occurring carbon nanotubes, which also tells us why they were so sharp/strong!
In conclusion?
Fucking time travelers
It is not hard to make carbon nanotubes today. They can be bought in bulk for a relatively low price. There are various techniques to include them in steel. The simplest being sintering.
The nanotubes found in Damascus steel were not particularly structurally dispersed and most likely coincidental by products of the melting and forging
Ok, the Damascus name is misleading.
This is where they used alot of this kind steel to make some of the finest swords of the time but not where the steel was actually made. They bought is ingots of Crucible Steel from southern India where part of the Crucible Steel making progress they used was to add small sticks of a local plant to the Crucible before it was sealed and fired. These sticks are the source of the carbon nanotubes which are from the natural structure of the plant.
@@CS-zn6ppDamascus is where it was made
Fun fact. Original Damascus steel came from a mine in southern India. Blacksmiths in Damascus bought that steel and convinced people they had some special method for making swords when in fact they just had a really good natural material.
That’s not what Damascus means
Steel isn't mined iirc
Do you mean iron? Because I remember the Indians having advanced forging techniques due to advancements in pottery
@@anadaere6861 No, he means wootz steel
There’s a lot that can go wrong when you’re folding steel. Mono-alloys are usually more structurally sound than pattern welded steel.
If you are folding steel, IE, japanese methods, you are redistributing the carbon content, and pushing out impurities. The only difference between the core of a Japanese blade and it's hard outter shell is the carbon content within the two pieces of steel. Mono-alloys have their place, but they can also have their shortcomings. Most modern pattern welded steel isn't folded, it's just forge welded, cut, stacked, forge welded again, rinse and repeat to attain the number of layers you want.
@@mikeford963 that is essentially the same thing as folding
@@Joker-em6oz Not quite. The difference is that the steel used in pattern welded steel is modern, 'clean' steel. The reason for folding as the Japanese do is to distribute the carbon and move the impurities out of the steel. While layer counts increase with both, that's all they have in common. Once the layer count is achieved in pattern welded material, the bladesmith can alter the patter in many ways, hence the term.
@@mikeford963 those processes are doing the same thing, one is just more wasteful. Also some smiths do fold their steel to make Damascus. And Japanese smiths also manipulate the steel to show a pattern, just not like pattern welded steel is manipulated
@@Joker-em6ozThey aren't. Folding is just homogenizing steel whereas modern pattern welding is just working with already homogenous modern steel. Historically, patternwelded swords had to homogenize their starting material by folding before they can form twisted bars for a sword.
It is called wootz steel, and was from the south of India - Syrians didn't create it but used it to make swords that were highly sought after and it became famous because of it
Are they not 2 different things tho still? Even if one is a constituent
@@adeelm9028 I have also repeatedly heard that we now think it was sourced in India.
Indian Wootz steel in the 19th century was very prized and - I THINK - has a different and distinct pattern from what we think Damascus steel was, but you can put that down to the same concept being refined over centuries
Ancient Damascus was best in the very early Medieval period, late medieval, everyone understood the process of getting your iron molten to introduce carbons.
Damascus didn’t try to keep the technology a secret.
The viking Ulfberth swords were made from crucible steel as well, there's a documentary on yt where a master blacksmith recreates the process and forges an ulfberth sword by hand. Really cool stuff.
Edit: the name of the documentary is Secrets of the Viking sword
not all ulfbert where crucible steel though
@@micahcampa Only the real ones, there was apparently a few knock-offs, and the documentary I mentioned addresses that.
@@AslanW yes no some ulfberts where real just not curcible steel
@@micahcampa That's incorrect mate, the ones that weren't crucible steel all had different spelling from the ones that were made from crucible steel. The ones that were made from crucible steel all had the same spelling, with the cross before the t.
@@AslanW thats fine
It was called Wootz Steel and came from India. The western world was introduced to it in Syria, this is why we know it as Damascus Steel.
and india also invented apes because they were one that's why they were owned by the british.
and it was made in damascus too
If I recall correctly, the real "damascus" steel that gave it such a legendary reputation millenia ago was actually Wootz steel, which came from India. It was/is steel that is melted down with carbon source in a reducing (oxygen free) environment, leaving microscopic carbon crystals within the metal. It, supposedly, produced a steel strong enough to actually cut/rip through an opponents iron armor (though I'm not sure how deep the cut would be) yet flexible enough that it could be bent without shattering the blade.
I could be wrong, but I believe modern analysis of ancient samples revealed that their crystalline structure also contained tiny carbon nanotubes, which potentially came from the bamboo that was used as the carbon source during smelting.
“Thats what the point of Damascus” - Dream, Mask
I am curious what you mean by high quality steel in this case, if we are comparing mechanical properties of crucible steel to smelted steel like in Western Europe or Japan it seems to be worse. Crucible steel (wootz)from that era would only harden to about 30 HRC and still be brittle due to impurities and heterogeneous carbide formation.
"Thats what Damascus, thats what the point of Damascus" - Dream
Like bourbon v.s Bourbon Kentucky and champagne and France huh,
Any specialty good gotta make itself the most special of it's kind
It's also the fact that pattern welded is more defined for the multiple layers to show up. Where as if you look at some of the other layered steels like in katanas it's meant to make it stronger. You fold it over and over to give it structure.
Folding only removes impurities if you folded a katana you would remove the different carbon grades between the spine and the edge.
@@Kwitzats the process of making a katana involves folding the metal informally to remove the Impurities but to also create layers. This usually happens before the sandwich the 3 prices of metal together. The layers are in one uniformed direction like a book. That's why you don't really see patterns if someone etches a true katana. Now for showy prices they will twist and fold the metal to get more of the layers to show up.
@@dayanson6920 they do have patterns called hada these are big swirly one just like pattern welded steel that is called mokume hada
@@micahcampa ok i looked again and yes the pattern does show but it's not to the level of dimascus patterns we see a lot of the times. Yes the hada and dimascus are both pattern welds.
@@dayanson6920 not the leval because they dont use acid
I listened to a pod cast from stuff you should know. Their research led them to a specific steel mined from India. I would be curious to find it out for myself
It’s not necessarily better, it just looks much cooler
Bro felt like slim shady moving his hands in front of the camera
Could you make an Video about Count Dooku's curved lightsaber hilt? It is a very interesting concept that I am curious about how effective it is.
Actually, original Damascus steel was that strong, mainly because of the ore that it came from, having being a mix of a couple of different metals that gave it strength (you can Google the name of the metals), and it didn't come from Damascus, the swords were just made there due to the high concentration of skilled sword makers in the region. The ore actually came from a region in India. It wasn't actually figured out what was in Damascus steel up until the late 1900's, due to most sword makers dying with their secrets.
"Thats the point of damscus is"- dream
I like how you explain like a regular person with the hand waves as you talk
i guess thats *what the point of damascus*
worth it
I really hope there aren't that many people who think that a 1000-year-old recipe is anywhere near as good as modern steel.
The same goes for concrete, so many people think that "concrete is just concrete, there is not that much difference, surely it can't be that complex"
Since I can hear your geiger counter going off, what about putting depleted uranium in the blade of a sword and making a sheathe out of lead? Protect the end user, but radiate anyone you slice with it?
DU is radioactive, but not so that it can harm, it emits alpha particles. It's mainly used in high strength materials, such as Armor piercing rounds in tank shells and tank armor.
@@Cowboyfan-wk6ww I've heard of DU being used in warhead payloads and tank rounds, but never in the armor of a tank? I'm curious of the effectiveness in that.
Its wootz steel from south india, crafted into weaponry for battles in Damascus Syria. Thats why you can find things like Sikh Khanda and Kirpan Damascus variants
Exactly, the ore was from india but it was crafted in syria thank you finally an educated indian who knows the difference between wootz stell/ore and Damascus steel
Hey man, you know anything about "kampilan"?
I heard that Damascus steel was refined in Damascus but came from someplace else. I also heard that the reason why the formula for Damascus was lost is because the mine ran dry and the high quality iron that they used was no longer available.
Came from India
@@yashpreetham3747 thanks
Seems to be not many people know about the actual damascus steel compared to the one that mostly just looks nice
Finally i know what the point of Damascus
What metal would you consider good for making a lightweight, double edged, one handed reasonably long sword?
What is the usage? If you are looking for a replica or prop sword, aluminum is usually used because it's very light and has the right aesthetic after it oxidizes. If you want a functional sword, the pattern of the sword is more important than the type of steel. Fullering a sword decreases weight to some extent. But a rapier is almost always going to be lighter than a gladius simply for the fact that the sword is less broad and therefore uses less metal.
@@randoprior4130 Well I want to use it for long term purposes for actual functionality. Preferably a rapier
@@druvbopanna5879 Then you want steel. Preferably high carbon, 1080 or 1095. A rapier only weighs in the range of 1-2 lbs when it's all done. And most of the weight in a sword is in your hand, not in the blade.
Okay.....If that's what you recommend. Thanks by the way
@@druvbopanna5879 I mean, yeah, there are hundreds of alloys of steel that will work, but for ease of working, heat treating, and maintenance, there's a reason 1080/1095 are used in the blade world.
I'm from Damascus, Syria. glad we're known for something positive
That's what Damascus, that's what the point of Damascus
I think especially if the Damascus steel is hand forged it can show quality because it takes a long time to do and the patterns can be difficult.
Your shorts are so great!
It’s better because it is imbued with the power of Dream himself
Well.. its not a heat issue. As even a wood fire can achieve temps to melt steel. The reason was sealing it from oxygen. But syria was more of a trade post. Wootz steel which was the original crucible steel primarily came from india
I use the term wootz for this reason, but both are good. Very nice.
I might love my damascus knives but my s90v hidden canyon fixed will always be my favorite most trusted edc
….That’s what the point of demascus. You can see me crying….
I draw alot more Damascus Steel on guns to swords I like. Which is why I love Damascus soo much!
True Damascus also had a metal used in it that caused the molecules to line up making the patterns as the steel cooled the "mystery " metal is used up. We couldn't find what it was until we recently developed a new smaller magnetic measuring device. When we looked at raw iron we found a new metal in so small of an amount that we needed this new magnet measurement to find these trace amounts. Turns out it's in all iron. Just small amounts. Look it up iz kewl
Wasn't Damascus steel not from Damascus, but from India? As far as I have heard it was exported to Damascus where it was forged into weapons.
It’s just a really really good blade, it’s not necessarily unique it’s just does what’s already done a lot better
This cut off too early
we also found the raw iron they were using had other elements in it, that we found with modern science, makes the steel stronger.
Thanks, I had no idea about the Syria part.
You've given me a new thing to be proud of from my country.
that's what the point of damascus
So basically Damascus steel went from ' Swords made of this are real shit. ' to ' Ooh, swirly patterned knife. ' .
Also heard that they would also use meteorite iron as well
True Damascus has also been forgotten with time and we don’t have the recipe for it. People get scammed because of modern Damascus thinking it’s some legend forged by gods but really it just looks neat
We haven't 'forgotten' it, it is still employed today, crucible steel is regularly used for making some of the best knife steels.
Am from syria an am proud that Damascus steel is made in my country and will always will be called Damascus. 😍😍🥰🥰
Lol it's indian steel you just imported from us and and resell it
In love my three layer japanese kitchen knife. Outer layers are soft and flexible but stainless urinal steel. Core layer is high carbon hard as a file yet easy to sharpen rusty steel. Simplest of pattern welds, yet the best in my opnion.
Modern Damascus if done properly ends up giving it some better flexibility because its low or medium carbon steel and high carbon steel. The patterned Damascus is a look thing, but folded steel of different layers of carbon content without the stupid grinds in it does make a better sword
Can we pls see your sword collection
The taste in music is immaculate.
Fun fact: Damascus didn't produce steel on their own, they imported this steel from the southern part of India called Tamilnadu now.. They called it "Urukku" which is called wootz steel now...
1:24 seconds of raw raw shit 🔥🔥 🔥
They still don’t know how to replicate the old Damascus steel properly.
It also gets harder with the folding because it's compressed
No.
Yesn’t the steel was often sold and worked in Damascus, but the material itself was not from there. It actually comes from southern India from where ingots were exported and was/is known as Wootz steel. Because Damascus also didn’t have ovens that hot, but southern India had.
The answer is: it wasn't made in Damascus Syria, It was made in India or Sri Lanka and it's name was Wootz, it was so goddamn fucking good because it was Nanotechnology from ancient times
That's what the point of Damascus
Damascus was not the manufacturing center but rather the place where Europeans bought their steel from. The steel was made in India and sold in Damascus
Even high end damasteel isn't as good as the best knife steels available. You can still find excellent damascus worth carrying but it's really expensive most of the time.
Damascus steel is not originally from syria.
People says its Damascus steel because there is a place in syria as same name, but reality is that Britisher first time see the Damascus steel in syria thats way we say Damascus steel but they import Damascus steel from India. Alexander also took approximately 2500kg of Damascus steel from India in his time.
Between Damascus steel sword and Wootz steel sword which do you think would be better ?
It acually has been tested and damaskis has an extra atom mixed in smaller than iron that makes it dencer and stable when bent
That’s what the point of Damascus
I have a solid Damascus steel Jagdkommando Tri-dagger (display only) of the first type, with the fancy swirls and patterns. Pretty to look at, but ridiculously heavy for a knife of it's size due to being, again, solid Damascus steel.
Stabber's be flexin
Damascus steel is famous because, for it's time, it was hella hard. Amazing property for blade steel.
Nowadays, we have way more harder steels, especially since phosphorus content in steel can be reduced to lowest amount ever possible.
But microstructure is swirly.
Source: Am studying metallurgical engineering.
Completely wrong, Damascus steel comes from southern India and is called Wootz. Syrians bought the high quality steel from India and made it into swords from there. But u did get the differentiation between the old and modern wootz steel.
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He isn’t wrong tho, wootz in india at the time didn’t have any value so they sent it to the middle east and traded for horses. And in turn Damascus had the ability to melt it down and use it. Thus its called Damascus steel, because they where the first city to be able to melt it down and use it.
You are one of few educated people in the comment section who knows the difference between wootz steel/ore and Damascus steel.
Okay that's interesting but you never answered the question. They say we can't even make a stronger steal today but even if that's not true it was certainly much stronger than anything else made back then why is that? What properties of the steal made it superior? Why is this steal such a big deal?
He said it was because they were one of the first to come up with crucible steel. It probably just got called Damascus steel because it came from Damascus and they had their own recipes suited to their environment
Thought it was also used to stretch out the use of good steel by going 50-50 or w/e with bad steel
That's what the point of Damascus is
Damascus explained simply:
Metal get hot, hammer go bang, metal get cut, metal get rehot, hammer go bang again, steel go cold fast, grinder go burr, acid go etch, ape Happy at pretty color and shapes on metal
That is the point of Damascus
I've heard Damascus cuts better because the different types of steel on the edge dull at different rates or something, and it creates something like very small serrations.
Hahaha. No man.
Usually the pattern welded steel will be cladding (a shell), this leaves the core to be higher quality steel.
This would also strengthen the knife, as the cladding would absorb shock.
If the smith is an idiot, he'll do only pattern, which will dull at different rates (not enough to matter though.)
Micro serrations always exist in knives. They are left from the abrasive (sharpening stone, grinding wheel, etc.) It produced microscopic teeth, even all the way up to 60,000 grit.
Though, the size of the teeth does effect it's ability to cut. Contrary to what you may think, larger teeth are in fact better.
So finishing with around 1000-2000 grit would produce a great looking edge, but have 'bite to cuts' easily slicing anything.
The only times you would reasonably go higher are straight razors or fish knives. But those tasks are completely different to what normal knives or swords would see.
Some studies have also shown that old Damascus Steel has carbon nano-tubes in it
That's what the point of damascus
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Damascus steel doesnt really come from damascus, the steel it was made of was called wootz steel and came from india/sri lanka and was used all over the near east, espicially in damascus tho since they had a thriving weapon industry. It had to do with the impurities naturally found in the ingots and since the exact process of processing it got lost over 200 years ago, no one is able to exactly reproduce it. Its a bit sad that you didnt mention any of this...
thats what damascus
thats what the point of damascus
Blacksmith here, you're right. That's all.
You look like that whistleblower dude
You forgot that most people now mean etching by damaskus steel.
Can you do Hidden Blades from Assassin's Creed?
I bought myself a Damascus Tea Pick and it's the coolest thing I own.
It wasn't crucible steel what it was was a purer iron smelt using a lot of sand to remove impurities from the iron as it melted in an enclosed mound that acted as a kiln.
Knife moment.
So *that's* what the point of Damascus
Swirly sword goes vrmmm
That what the point of Damascus