Succession S4E7 - Kendall v Matsson
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"Sometimes it is a big dick competition."
Kendall following Logan's advice from season one.
He’s becoming a fucking killer *Logan voice*
Also roman Roy has a micropenis and is always wrong
fuck yeah. king is dead long live the king
It's not about Kendall. It was said to show us why Tom will become a CEO at the end.
Damn Kendall is really fucken killing it.
are we watching the same show? these small wins for kendall in the last episode and this one are obviously not sustainable imo. I could be wrong but i think the writers are setting him up to really spiral in the final few episodes of the show
I'm routing for Kendal
@@murkemmct Kendall already failed before let him win it’s boring for him to fail already
@@Axel-ye8tt He'll win in the end but be empty inside
@@murkemmct I think you're wrong, Kendall failed too much, he's more tough than ever in this season
Shiv's 'what the hell' face has been a pillar of this show seriously. Lol
This scene was fucking nuts lmao
See, this scene right there is why I think Roman’s last lines in the season are meaningless.
He says to Ken: “We’re bullshit.” And you know what? They are. But so is Tom. So is Mattson. So is everyone else.
Mattson’s just as immature and just as scummy with his dealings. He’s no more fit to run the company than Ken or Shiv.
In the end, the Roys are doomed because they can’t share.
This scene is a masterclass in Subtext
It’s barely subtext at this point
@@gerryendersen4718 lol facts
I think the subtext was incredibly obvious here so no idk if it was a masterclass lol
Agreed
@@NateGH36O It's a masterclass in nearly turning subtext into text.
- "Love the deal !"
- "The fuck ?"
Some of these posts. 😂
Neither of them are playing 4D chess, they're both engaged in high level securities fraud and inherently self destructive. Succession to me is about pasting down of wealth / power and how it totally insulates the characters from consequences of their own stupidity and criminality.
None of the siblings are serious people and neither is Mattsson.
"dafu*k!" summs that up Shiv😆
What the actual fock
the body language of Ebba here is very surprising given what we know between her and matson
Her financial interests are still tied to Matsson and GoJo's success.
Yeah I was distracted in my confusion over why she was sitting there like that
@@AlexCell33 true. yet she KNOWS it, but she should FEEL anxiety\fear etc. Body language usually reflect what someone feels, and it's not very easy to hide. that's why interrogators etc pay special attention to body language. In fact it'd be excellent acting if she says she's on Matton's side yet her body language shows otherwise.
Yes
@@SamanthaHenderson1 same. At first they were out of focus in the background and before I even knew they would be pulled into the scene I thought it was an oversight by the actors, who maybe just got told to chat in the background as out-of-focus set dressing. Their body language seems so chill and Familie, in contrast to everything I’ve seen of the two of them. I was wondering why the main antagonist would be used in frame in such a way, and then he started actually participating in the scene.
Skarsgaard/Mattson is sooo much more attractive than Elon Musk, less creepy and weird too.
Reverse Viking
Hahaha "thanks man, tweet about it!"
Between matssons ‘gay’ comment and Oscar’s unprovoked ‘hanger on dingleberrie ‘ welcoming of Greg, I’m not loving Swedish billionaires.
Passive agressive fist fight at its best...
Love the deal!😂😂
Matsson is playing them all.
Why would his top PR woman just give out info like that.
More importantly why would he openly humiliate her if she knew such damaging things.
exactly
But then why would he confirm it when Shiv (whom he thinks is part of his crew) accused it of it ? He doesn't need to test her or anything because she has already betrayed her brothers and he knows that.
@@orestisdimop4495 He's using Shiv. Constantly acting like she's smart and can solve problems. Telling her he has trouble reading people...........like come on. He didn't have trouble reading Kendall and Roman when they were trying to tank the deal.
@@robrick9361 in norway, ken and Roman's strategy was shitty, they were also reeling from logan's death and were unstable. now, kendall seems good after his presentation which kind of bolstered him. the blood story is real cuz rome found out about it by one of the ratfucker employees at waystar. the india thing is likely real because matsson confirmed it to shiv without her having to mention it in the first place.
@@therealkendallroy Did you miss the securities fraud that Kendall was engaging in by manipulating his advisor into agreeing with Living+ even though the economics made no sense. Kendall will end the season in jail.
I love how Kendall not so subtlety looks around the room to try to cancel Matsson “that’s homophobic👀”
Kendall freaking owned this scene.
Y’all kept saying mattison was a series boy. How the turntables
Matson my favorite on S
Prime Kendall
bravo vince
Didn’t Mattson say something last season about being bored of success and now only being interested in failing… “failing as hard and as fast as possible”
Maybe he just wants to watch Waystar tear itself apart by turning the siblings against each other or maybe he just wants to watch his empire burn 🤷♂️
Wow. That's what that was about. WELP- we know what happens now!!!!
No you're just fanboying for a character that's written to be an anti-social weirdo and an idiot
Why is everyone praising Kendall here? 😂 He embarrassed himself
How? It was Mattson who embarassed himself, his 4chan humour of using "gay" as an insult didn't work well outside his usual social group, a public figure saying such words would be scrutinised. He spoke like an anon troll and gave Kendall ammo, when Kendall pointed out his subscribers are fake he had no retort. Shiv saw the exchange and she is not someone who supports Kendall when he's being embarassing, she was disillusioned in Mattson after this and worried she picked the wrong side.
I do not like the Matsson character, his scenes just make me cringe. Not realistic at all.
I think the writers and the casting people have done a poor job with what could have been an otherwise interesting character.
They tried to paint him as this eccentric / socially awkward billionaire nerd, but it looks fake and engineered.
First of all, tech billionaires do not have this "surfer" physique, and they certainly don't talk or behave like that.
What you're looking for is a mix of arrogance and intellect, but definitely not that Mattson shitshow.
They should have taken inspiration from Travis Kalanick ( Uber ) interviews, or maybe young Steve Jobs / Gates, or even Larry Ellison.
But this Matsson character is not someone you would encounter in the tech industry.
He is very Scandinavian though, you're disregarding that aspect.
Plus you're forgetting that he IS actually a fake, Ebba confirmed that he didn't really do any "coding" like he claims
"Estimates, you know estimates, but your NUMBERS!" 🫣
"LITTERALLY unbelievable"
@@samba780 🤣🤣🤣
“Your numbers are like literally unbelievable” that line totally unnerved Mattson, you could tell he lost his cool after that
A good indicator of whether you got under someone’s skin is when they start calling your numbers “gay” lmfao
Im starting to suspect they dont love the deal
1:58
Nah, bro, didn't you hear? Biggest overpay in history. They love that shit. Love it. Love the deal!
Love the shift in attitudes from Matsson being in his element back in Sweden, to Kendall using home court advantage in this scene really shows Matsson like a fish out of the water.
Yep. Matsson reamed them when they were still reeling from the death of their father. But now, Kendall is doing good.
not really, Matsson is being revealed as a potential fraudster and our perception of him is now completely altered as a result
You hit it spot on Matsson is out of his element and Kendall took advantage of it great move.
Not that important, but they met in Norway. Almost like home court though.🙂
@@Arctic_Dude dude totally fair point I honestly was focused in the shift in culture tbh
Kendall: "I have surpassed you in every aspect, you are but a fly in the wall of my achievements "
Matsson: *gAAAAyYy*
Not quite 😂
I'd love to see Stewy in this scene, he has a talent for finishing the conversations like these with one-sentence, verbal knockout
Stewy should’ve been there and in Sweden. We need to see Stewy again before this wraps up.
@@gezenews skinny neck boi
@@gezenews lmao
"Taxi cap??come on guys give u good price good price"
I think stewey would destroy matsson
“Thanks man…tweet about it” 😂😂😂
“You should get that written on a cup 😀”
Kendall won this joust with Matsson. 0:58 "You know, estimates estimates.... But you man, your numbers. Exploding. Like literally UNBELIEVABLE." had me dying. So boss Ken. Hope he wins.
:(
💀
@@0SecondsAgo I felt this way too but holy crap are any of them actually happy working for roystar??? They made off with billions and dont have to work for the most toxic work environment ever.
Fucking dying laughing at "LITERALLY unbelievable!" The way they were fully ready to get into a public pissing contest only to narrowly mask it as a joke at the end was incredible.
My boy Mattson calling Ken's numbers gay then proceeds to literally kiss his neck
I love Kendalls slow progression to a killer in this season. He didn’t flip the switch instantly but since Logan died but he’s slowly gotten more capable and confident in himself. He’s holding his own more and more in each conversation he has with Mattson.
he's literally insane
yeah the truth that’s being revealed is that ken was being limited by logan because logan knew that ken had it in him. ken was logan’s true competition, and that’s why he was the most vicious to him. without logan, ken can actually implement the good ideas he has - which he has been made to doubt by everyone around him (who all suck the balls and worship the memory of logan).
Ken is becoming a KILLER !
Logan prepared Ken for this. I love watching Kendall support both of his siblings. (Especially his reaction to Roman firing 2 head honchos) and accepting when Roman told him he wasn’t going to take the stage.
Hand in hand with being a shitty father
I thought i was hallucinating when he said "your numbers are gayy" LMAO
Ken has changed a lot since season 1
Yeah. I'm starting to wonder wether his dad didn't half "push him overboard" in the end of S2 in order to force him to mature and grow up. Because in S1 he really was an immature overgrown kid playing chief. Especially after seeing how well Kendall had done during the hearings. Maybe he thought there was something to be harnessed there that would only reveal itself in extreme tough "on your own" situations.
The ennd of Ep4 this season was a paradigm shift for this character.
Most definitely...
@@frname7665Kendall has really matured that much .....all the Roy's have this inflated idea that they are something they are not,Kendall increasingly looking like Logan regent but a common theme in this show since the beginning of this show ......they want to be Logan but they are NOT him
@@dennisgichohi5392 i think it's more nuanced than that on Kendall's part, this time unlike in the past he's not intentionally trying to be Logan, he operates differently than Logan, see how he got the projections to be exaggerated, didn't have to threaten anyone and he's not fired anyone, unlike Roman who is actively trying to be his father. In season 3 Kendall came to face fact that he can't be his dad, Obviously we see him looking more and more like his dad but the tragic part is that THIS TIME he isn't trying to be his dad, he's just being more ruthless and "making his own reality".
TLDR, he's not trying to be his dad, he's becoming his dad and this will not end well but man it's kinda cathartic no?
"That’s kind of homophobic, man"
Is just so funny
He’s probing Logan was actually being honest when he said he was his number one boy
number 1 at being baited by his enemies into exposing harmful info
Rhea evens alludes to this in season 2. She tells Ken that he's the one and has always been the one, so I'm guessing Logan confided in her.
@@robertcross9047 Mattson isn't a mastermind he's Swedish Elon Musk. We even just found out he bought his great tech breakthrough off the shelf.
@@ulture Elön Måsk.
@@robertcross9047 what did he expose?
This is the moment where Kendall became the wave.
Big big shoes
@@trulydipps246 Biiiiiig shoes
“It’s pretty depressing from up here. You can really see how second world it is” He must have seen the rats from that high up.
As a New Yorker myself, I would totally buy that "Nothing happens in New York that doesn't happen everywhere" mug just in spite hahaha.
Mattson might be a “killer” and he’s obviously smart, but the revelation that he’s not a real coder paired with the missteps he’s made in recent episodes show that he’s really not quite the unbeatable genius psychopath that season 3 made him out to be. Despite being a shrewd businessman, the revelation that he took someone else’s innovation and brought it to market suggests that quite a lot of his success is attributable to basic charisma and luck. Confidence X Good Looks X Being in the right place at the right time X Sheer ruthlessness is more than likely the success formula that made him what he is.
His behaviour isn’t typical of a “tortured brilliant mind” but of someone who wants to project that exact image to the world. His choice of outfit in this episode actually reflects more of an insecure desire to stand out as unique rather than the classic misanthropic desire to shun conformity and be left alone. That’s a designer jacket that probably costs thousands of dollars, that’s not an anti-social intellectual, that’s a man seeking attention and approval.
His holocaust joke on Twitter (WHICH HE RETRACTED UNDER PRESSURE) and his “your numbers are gay” comment pretty much confirmed for me how vapid he is. Those are jokes that a pre-teen makes, not a serious self-made businessman. His immaturity and impulsiveness combined with his sense of entitlement show that at the end of the day, he’s really just another incredibly lucky “entrepreneur” suffering from an unearned sense of accomplishment, which itself is just the outer layer of what is probably just repressed imposter syndrome.
Ironically Kendall, who most will see as the classic rich kid with everything handed to him has worked INCREDIBLY hard and suffered greatly to try to follow in his father’s footsteps. He’s had to develop a razor sharp business acumen and unlike Mattson he’s developed to the point where he doesn’t let his emotions control his behaviour. He knows what’s at stake and how his every word and action can be used against him.
Some people might view this as an even back and forth, but if you really zone in on the dialogue here, Kendall DESTROYED Mattson. He had a calm, clever retort to everything Mattson said and in the end, the “genius coder” had nothing left but a gay joke before he passive aggressively hugged his enemy and ran away with his entourage to most likely drown his defeat in drugs.
If Living+ showed us anything, the days of Kendall stepping on his own dick might very well be behind him. There’s no guarantees, but after everything he’s been through, he might have very well turned into the smooth operator he only showed us glimpses of in the first three seasons.
Very well put!
You are brilliant, do you have a PhD?
Good analysis, couldn’t have been said better!
He's basically Elon Musk. Without the good looks of course
Great comment! 👍🤙🖖🖖
I love that what starts it is Matsson shitting on New York and Kendall sticking up for his hometown
My personal prediction. Kendall ends up beyond victorious in end. Screwing over Roman thru the election. Roman has a public mental breakdown at funeral giving the speech. Kendall finally ascends the throne alone in the final episode having burned every bridge. His kids hating em. Just like his father before em.
this would be the best and most perfect ending but you never know
Except Roman and Shiv know that he killed a kid and the circumstances of that killing. Good luck to Ken screwing them over.
No i hope the company dispands or goes under and the kids mqke their own life apart from it
I doubt it. I think Tom is going to burn Shiv. Kendall and Roman not wanting anything to do with that so they turn on her. In response Shiv will tell everybody about Kendall killing that kid in the car accident. Leaving Roman for himself and he will self implode because of the dic pics. Creating a huge vacuum for the others to fill.
@@whywhy6149 they would never bring that out. and if they did, they've withheld that information for so long and could be seen as complicit.
Kendall has been slaying Lucas since the Waystar RoyCo+ speech where it appeared to be his death knell after not getting the “clouds” he wanted. He started terrible, but momentum built and he had the crowd eating from his palms.
From the Lucas Tweet retort and now the “homophobia” quip. Clean Ken = smart Ken. S1/2 Kendall would've panicked into a bag of blow and hid in a closet. Roman, Shiv, Tom and Lucas -are- were all underestimating him.
Logan. KNEW. That was an underlying and NOT a cross out.
It was a crossout
@@KK-pm7ud is it ? It’s subject to speculation
@@sagarthegreatable Its a crossout, why the hell would you underline something you typed on a computer and printed out, why the hell would Logan do that. That paper likely pre-dated season 1, since it has mention of Greg in pencil
@@KK-pm7ud No it wasn't lol. Even Frank and Carl say it's an underlining. You don't start a crossing out below the words you want to cross out lol. Unless it's a full diagonal crossing out which it blatantly isn't. And if your crossing out only barely makes contact with the last two letters, you cross it out again to correct the shot lol.
@@Fondrom To underline the fact that it's still his wish despite the age of the document.
0:00 That second "COOL" sounded exactly like Seth Macfarlane's "cool hwip".
Lucas insulting NYC while visiting NYC to a bunch of New Yorkers faces was such a stupid move on his part that made him look really bad
He was just trying to bait Ken into confronting him
@@nymuelovanI’m not so sure. To me Lucas’ comment came off like a tone deaf season 1 Kendall bro humor comment that lands dead in the water. Kinda like some of the women on those cruises
@@matthewpasnik95 He was absolutely trying to piss Kendall off.
@@BatmanHQYT well he also probably managed to piss off every important person in that room.
I think mattesons communication manager is playing the game as he wants it played, and we will find out why soon enough and I think it will be brutal for the Roy children.getting rid of Jerry was a massive mistake as she had vision the kids don’t display
Losing her was a loss, but not a catastrophic loss.
I too think so. Matsson while a confident prick, has one more ace under his sleeve. This whole bloodbag, rude to assistant seems like a plant
Yeah, it totally looks like a setup. This is the only parte of the show where the events look too simple to be true. There is no way Matsson would trust on Shiv like that to give her that kind of information. The whole thing is too public and apparently stagged.
I feel like everyone's sucking off Matsson a bit too much. Like, I get it could be a trick, but everyone is so sure the dude can't miss and isn't just an unhinged guy lol
@@Despair505 everyone thinks he's a genius its crazy
cute little vaLUAtion ahah ! nice one ! LOVE THE DEAL !
Need this Kendall 24/7, not the manic goofball. Just straight killer.
Kendall being Walter White: I think I am the wave, actually.
Everyone forget the only time logan smiles in the show is when kendall throws him under the bus, sadly kendall was stil recovering but now that logans gone and his head is clear Ken will earn the top spot
Skarsgard pronounced gay here the same way he always did in generation kill
Lol they hate each other…but Kendall can see through him so clearly. I love how his character has gotten more confident, but he still seems a little dead inside tho?
Where is stewy when you need him
Love the deal.
Looove the deal, love it
Big big shoes… big big big shoes
Kendell held his own...
that's kinda homophobic... man...
Lol what a great scene, idk what it is but I believe in and root for Kendall
Mattson is usually smart but this is a scene where he was coming off like a real moron
The fake India numbers is a lie, the rumors about sending his coms blood is probably a lie too. Mathesons team is playing the Roy's like a fiddle
Shit.... you could be right. I always believed Mattson about both things, but you could be spot on there has been no evidence to back either claim up
I mean the third season finale kinda potrayed him as an cold minded bussinessman and Logan recognized that. I don't believe this vulnerable creep thing one bit.
Nah I dont think so, that would be a dumb plot twist, Mattson is smart but he's not a mastermind, this show is about rich powerful people playing games but every one of them have flaws and vulnerabilities, Mattson is a drug addict sociopath so it makes sense he has hidden dirt that can be used against him.
There are like three episodes left. No this is mattison, he’s not a serious boy like people think. Called it from the beginning. Saying you have fake numbers that go against you is dumb and wreckless with a giant purchase about to happen.
It would be a really stupid ploy to do anything that might shake the board up. No...I think it's real.
In the end, I don’t think Gojo really won either. Mattson might of won but I think he was exposed as also not being a serious person.
We do still run shit
"America... I don't know. When I arrived there were these gentle giants smelling of fucking gold and milk. They could do anything. Now look at them. Fat as fuck, scrawny on meth or yoga. They pissed it all away. I don't know. I don't know." Logan Roy
I'm starting to think they don't love the deal.
Having just traveled to Singapore and had an amazing time there, Matsson is still fucking nuts to suggest it's better or more happening than New York.
he's just trying to mess with the americans
@@pranav_sh25 and it seemed to work, look at that American defending it. lmao
@@pranav_sh25 and succeeded lmao 😂😂😂 they’re triggered
@@jandipopo_art2012 he sounds like a child trying to pick a fight
@@jandipopo_art2012 Yeah I'm realizing I took the bait there didn't I 😂
I think the show will end with Kendall making a decision to either do the morally correct thing & deny himself becoming his father or give in to the corruption. I think he might give in sorta like a reverse Luke Skywalker situation.
Kendall might have done well in this but matsson brought the killing blow calling his numbers gay
Really? I thought that was a weak comeback. "Gay" as an insult is outdated and politically incorrect, as Kendall was quick to point out. Seemed to me that "gay" was a poor response to Kendall calling out Mattson's "literally unbelievable" numbers.
@@PrestigeLearning I was joking
haha. Great scene. Only New Yorkers are allowed to trash the city. We don't accept it from anyone else.
I think kendall done well on both his sparring sessions with him and lukus pulled out of this one
"Like, literally unbelievable!" that was like perfectly backhanded LOL
These two hate each other. Matsson is definitely modeled after Elon Musk.
I totally understood Mattson taking a dump on NY, Tech people hate NY, SORRY NOT SORRY, ITS THE CAPITAL OF NOTHING THEY REALLY CARE ABOUT. 😂😂😂😅
I actually have hope Kendall can get what he wants by the time this series ends.
Tbh I don't think he was competent enough at the end. He maybe can get to a decent level with time, but he always finds a way to self-sabotage himself and destroy his own progress, maybe even causing Waystar to downfall. So I reallyyy have my doubts if Ken was worthy enough
Wow the Skarsgards are really a handsome lot
Matson resorting to calling something “gay” like a early 2000s teenager, is exactly how a socially inept “big tech bro” (in their 40s) in the real world would respond to criticism.
Gay numbers
“Literally unbelievable” love it
Kiss of death, whos it gonna be
Kendall has finally become the killer his dad wanted him to be.
Ehh
Cap
No.
Haha cute little valuation .. like
I can't even remember this scene I think I must've suppressed it.
1:50 I wonder if the neck kiss was supposed to symbolize a predator marking it's prey and the prey retaliating with it's own mark or if I'm just zooted
Now that you mention it, it has that feel. But I suspect it's not intentionally symbolic; rather just built into the whole display of over-the-top fake affection used to express actual hostility.
I love the succession fanbase
Everyone: the siblings are not serious people like Mattson
Mattson: "GaAyYyy"
Not gonna lie. As soon as he started trash talking New York, I wanted Kendall to just rip his heart out and feed it to him…
I'm a New Yorker and I trash it all the time. I just don't accept non New Yorkers trashing it😉
Probably I am going to be wrong but I think Mattson (and his team) are playing with the Roys. All the blood thing, the India’s numbers, the weird behavior of Matsson pretending to be some weirdo talking too much, is like too obvious to be “real”. It’s like he wants them to believe he has no control over the situation.
I know what you mean - when he mentioned the blood thing a few episodes ago I remember thinking that if this wasn’t Succession, then that’s a wacky-ass story that Shiv is an absolute fool for taking seriously.
However, since Succession can dip into the surreal and unbelievable sometimes, I’m on the fence about whether it’s “totally unbelievable” or “believable within the show.” Shiv’s own husband used his employees as furniture and regularly abused Greg, after all.
Ive been thinking the same, but also it would totally line up with him wanting to close the deal fast and how he kept pushing and adding more money despite being such a terrible deal if he doesnt get what he wants, if hes truly fluffing his numbers and being a sex creep then it would make sense to buy and merge with Royco so his company doesnt tank anything thats coming from them
He also would probably end up pinning the inflated numbers to Roy's subsidaries if it ever came to light, cleaning his own hands
Their little argument about New York reminded me of the Beatles quibbling in 3x04 with Adrien Brody. "The Beatles, huh? Good band." "Uh huh. GREAT band." "...Good band."
He atee
So, my man Logan underlined Kendall name.
Two enemies sizing each other up.
Lol Mattson really compared new york to Singapore. Thats how you knew he had no ammo.
I thought that Matsson was shooting off at the mouth. I did not take what he had to say seriously. IMO, men will lie about two things: sex and money. So it was no surprise about inflated India numbers by Matsson or Living+ nonsense from Kendall.
Mattson = 0
Our Number One Boy = 1
joining kendall in delusion
@@johnjungkook2721 can’t wait to return to this comment when Kendall comes out on top
@@calebbell4419 Lol tbh Kendall kinda won in the sense that he got overpaid massively for a sinking ship and got a better deal than Logan did.
@@calebbell4419 that's not gonna factor in his golden parachute for him to take the deal thru, they don't want Kendall fired to have to take it through or that would signal instability. So they probably offered kendall hundreds of millions of dollars to eventually take it through.
I hope all this momentum doesn’t get pulled from under Kendall that line Nate said “I’m not Gil and your are not Logan” is worrying could be letting us know it’s going to implode soon especially how outright they have made Kendall look and sound like Logan,there might be a what would Logan do moment and Kendall is going to fail
I don’t think He’s going to fail because the only reason why he didn’t peak before, was because of his father that did everything he could to undermine him.
Logan was hardly ever a real guy, either. His kids want his power but I get the sense none of them are quite willing to throw all of themselves at it the way he did (“and that’s a good thing”, as per Nate). You could tell Logan’s entire life was the pursuit of power.
I think the three kids want to live in some fantasy lnd where they have that same awesome power of their father but they’re still their own individual selves, and at this point it just stands to be seen whether they’ll succeed at sacrificing theirselves entirely for the power.
I was infuriated to see the Nate character coming back.
Logan or no, Kendall runs a multinational news corporation, they could obliterate this Nate person in 24 hours with fake rape accusations or anything, really.
And they should
LOVE THE DEAL
Ebba's face kendall was talking about numbers 😂
for a second i thought matsson was going to out kendall
All the siblings are going to rise. I heard someone say in. The first generation starts the business, the second generation takes it to the next level and then for only the third generation to tank it.