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If they wanted to show witches in Star wars they should have done the dathomirian night sisters they're much more interesting and we still don't know much about them
For Context: The Jedi do not kidnap children, they can however ask the children if they want or are willing to become a Jedi. But ultimately it is left up to the parents. This show does not show that. The Jedi would however, monitor this planet very carefully to prevent Sith from kidnapping these children or if the coven were dabbling in dark side of the force. Which if this was Lucas era star wars, this coven would have to go before a tribunal for using dark side powers on the Padawan. That would not go unanswered. This show is just making stuff up as it goes along at this point.
So which us it? The Jedi say in the show the Witches are not allowed to train children. But you don't think the Jedi should do anything about the fact the witches are training children even though you say in the lore they wouldn't allow it?
@@justinhammer3196 If this was the original lore, the minute they used dark side powers the Jedi would have retreated and came back in force for them to go before a republic tribunal to answer for it and have to explain what they are doing. If they resisted the Jedi would wipe them out, with the backing of the republic and take the children. But, as I said this is lazy horrible writing.
@@justinhammer3196 Oh I never meant to imply that they were in the wrong. My apologies if I made it sound like that. I was just explaining what a rational Jedi would do lol.
No. They extensively reference Legends which did the same things, which is why there is sizable portion of the fanbase that have claimed Jedi are evil since before Disney owned LucasFilm.
Just knowing not to code a supposed "good guy" as one of the most famous villains in the franchise is a good start. Like, are we SUPPOSED TO IGNORE, that she is Rule 63 of a man with literally no mission outside of expanded lore aside from killing Jedi?
"It's only four Jedi. Who would miss them?" What an absolutely wild statement to come from a Star Wars show. The Jedi aren't random foot soldiers. There are very few of them at any given time, and each one is considered extremely valuable. They all have tons of responsibilities and most serve as Generals in the military. Even one going missing would be considered a major event.
Im glad somebody else noticed. During the clone wars, you'd rarely see 4 or more jedi leading a legion of clones. I was more surprised they sent 4 to some random witch coven than that they were sent at all.
@revolvertaco7493 I think it's more likely that the director just has no idea how valuable a Jedi's time is. Like I said before, it feels like they consider the Jedi to be common foot soldiers. Sending groups on missions was common, but they would usually have only one Master Jedi and MAYBE a Padawan. The rest of the group would be non-jedi soldiers or ship crew members.
Weren't there many, many Jedi across the galaxy at this point in history? Like, thousands or more? They've already established that there are localised Jedi temples on different worlds, implying huge numbers. It's hardly a plot hole or against lore that they sent 4 Jedi to deal with a coven of force witches, and in their desperation/arrogance the witches tried to convince themselves that they could get away with killing them secretly.
Anakin's creation is meant to be special due to the fact that he was a direct rebuttal to attempted manipulation by the Sith. Plageuis and Palpatine essentially went too far. The whole point was that using the force for your own selfish ends will always cause backlash. The witches essentially make it seem like anyone can just poof kids into existence whenever they feel like it...
You're looking at that (really good) theory and calling it fact. And it is a good theory with lots of supporting dialogue from novelizations and cut content. But ultimately all that is definitive was that Anakin's existence is to act as a way to bring balance to the force, whether sith alchemy was involved or not. Star wars is a universe of infinite possibilities, when the witches of dathomir were introduced I was shocked at the existence of the force being used in ways to tie the spirit to a body after death, raise an army of undead and create swords out of thin air. How is this any different? It doesn't detract from the significance of the chosen one, and it expands how different cultures would utilize and perceive the force. I'm not saying these are reasons to like the show, imo the show should be looking better based on its budget. All in all it's just another addition to the Disney cannon. I like both legends and some of the Disney stuff, (don't like the sequel trilogy though) but there's also been a lot of cool stuff. And it more than I would have expected if George still had it, I think for George outside of the main movies he has always given absolute freedom for the most part, and he also knew how to piss off fans as expertly as Disney does. So really if newer star wars stuff is still pissing off fans then I dunno job well done I guess.
@@danyul2571 I agree with a lot of this. George did have finale say in all the Legends era media though. Case in point, he told them to kill Anakin Solo because he was too close to being like Anakin Skywalker if he stayed on the Light Side. Which, by the way, pissed me off so yeah George had that knack. But yeah, it's a great theory that I like but I so wish it was just canon period. Really loved that novel.
The thing is their not even the first one to do it... Yenna from the nightsister is outright made of their burial pods and shell's its been a thing for a while.
@@Saavryn if that's what we're going to go with then no, it wouldn't be highly illegal. Not all drug possessions the felony. As a matter of fact most of it is not a felony
Alteori, I am so sorry you went through the unthinkable as a child. There is nothing more evil than harming a child. Despite that, you should be proud of who you have become. I know we don’t know each other personally, but in your videos, we see someone compassionate, insightful, funny, and tough. ❤
@@AlteoriI was thinking and had the same feelings as you when watching the Jedi in this Episode…. Then it dawned on me!!! 🤯 There is a reason why this show gives you that Icky Feeling! Just take a look at who the Acolyte Creator is. MORE Importantly, what she did for her last job and who she worked for…. *Warning:* You might flip your lid at the evilness! 🤬
Witch: "You Jedi with your brainwashed order, twisted creed, and impersonal force... What gives you the right to criticize our loving coven, our blessed ascension and our all connecting thread?!" Jedi: "Ma'am I realize it's rude of us to visit unannounced, but we barely introduced ourselves before you mind crushed my padawan.”
Mother Ineseya drew first by mind-r@ping the padawan Torbin AFTER she had called for no weapons and no violence. Everything that happens next is on her. The Jedi are blameless, Mae is a misguided sociopath, and Trinity died for nothing. Nice work, show.
@@Alteori none of this story makes any sense! Even when it catches itself in an unguarded moment of narrative coherence, it has to fk it up out of sheer spite.
@@Alteori Really do yourself a favor and watch the old movies, and treat them like an alternate universe or something if you worry about Disney ruining everything. They are good old classic entertainment and no amount of cinematic vomit that is made today can change that.
@@Nutmeg- Is "strictness" the measure of a good father, though? And are mothers and fathers strict about the same things or in the same ways? Fathers make mothers better mothers, too. Research shows that "fatherless behavior" is real.
Giving the kid a lightsaber was wild. It is like handing a kid a loaded gun. It reminds me of in the original Star Wars, Obi Wan gives Luke a lightsaber and he turns it on and I'm thinking, "Geeze. Without any knowledge of those things, he could accidentally eviscerate himself! Or you!"
To be fair, I was handed a loaded gun as a kid. That was after years of fake guns and the importance of "don't look down the barrel" type talks. Same with swords and knives. Little wooden and training ones until the adults around me felt comfortable enough with my knowledge and safety and common sense around them to hand me sharpened blades and loaded weapons. Under supervisoon on the loaded weapons of course, the blades were less protected just because we were expected to be able to use them in the rough neighborhoods if we came home to an empty but unlocked/open house
@@kyze8284 that's fair but I feel like a gun is safer than a lightsaber. Does it even have a safety? Gun requires you to fire it and pull trigger mechanism. The lightsaber if turned on can slice through metal and shit 😂
@@Alteori I heard from a very hardcore fan in highschool (I'm sure they retconned this though since Flynn or whoever the Rey clone trooper was could use one "just because" that lightsabers had to be activated through the force and that there wasn't an actual button on them. Just a handle to protect them from the blade, the kyber crystal for power, and their use of the force drawing the power out of the crystal to form a blade. Also why it was only force wielders that could find the crystals, because they were SUPPOSED to just be rocks to everybody else; Minus the superpowered Death Star that supposedly was using giant kyber crystals (that Darth Vader himself needed to find since the miners couldn't figure out what was crystal and what was ice/rocks) to basically make a giant lightsaber to destroy planets (which is why it had to be IN RANGE of a planet and not just shoot a giant laser from across the galaxy) but that was just so much power required to operate it was only feasible with a construct the size of a moon Basically, lightsabers were just a metal rod with a icy looking crystal inside until you learned to control the force enough and be intuned enough to find, make, and then power your own saber through the force. A paperweight to anyone else
But the Jedi are evil. They're no different to Scientology or any other cult in existence. They're all about controlling their members and forcing their beliefs upon the masses. They just prefer to operate and maintain control from the shadows rather than drawing attention to their intentions like the Sith would.
Disney “what if the girl with attachment issue,serial killer warning traits and anger control issues was the good guy” and here a kicker what if we blamed her twin who doesn’t want to lie, doesn’t want to be a cog in a collective, has aspirations of being better then her current world and doesn’t want to be an emotional crutch for a psychopath.
Legends stated that many saw the jedi as not so good, but it was not because of this, families would always be okay with giving their sons and daughters to them, but what they were not okay with was that they would've NEVER seen them again (except ki adi mundi and others of his species because of a birth crisis going on on their world) and because when dealing with civil unrest the jedi up until the clone wars era used to live and sleep in luxury rather than mingle with the common people. There were LAYERS, well defined and interesting, this garbage is NOT layered, its stupid ass propaganda made by satanic idiots who see evil as good
We told them not to use flameable rocks but they kicked us out saying using non-flameable ones would infringe on a childs natural desire to burn their family and friends alive.
I can see it now. Osha - Mom... Why are you covering everything in gasoline? Mother - Because men claim it is stupid to cover everything in gasoline so we must apply countless coating of gasoline on everything! I am the smarty one!
"I did not bring them into the world so they could be taken by deranged monks" said the high priestess of the covenant, in the middle of the ascension ritual for the girls they magicked into existance, after chanting to the force. also, the jedi's recruitment process has always been sketchy, but they are supposed to be a lot more diplomatic and less creepy than these guys. especially in the OG trilogy.
@@White_Recluse yep. Republic law states that the legal guardians of a child found to be strong in the force can refuse to hand them over to the Jedi without any backlash or penalty. Also Jedi didn’t recruit children ages 4 and above because they would have a emotional attachment to their families that could turn them to the dark side.
They are deranged monks though... They believe that having emotion will make you evil one day. So they raise children from a young age into their cult to be emotionless soldiers that follow every command. Don't forget that it was originally the Jedi that controlled the clone troopers.
Wrong on the Jedi. Their recruitment being sketchy comes from morons who like to flanderize the Jedi and make them look bad. The ONLY compelled thing pre-Disney that the Jedi can do is a midiclorian test. From that point, they can only ask if they can take the child for training. The parents have every right to say “no”, and if they do there’s nothing the Jedi can do about it.
@@White_Recluse the only repercussion for refusing the Jedi's offer of training was the kid would not be allowed to be trained in the force out of fear you'd have a rogue dark sider running lose, which is actually pretty reasonable when you think about it. The choice the parents had was let the kid get trained to use their powers.... or just don't. That's it. in the original lore, the stuff written by adults, people were also kind of eager to get their kids tested while young enough to enter the Jedi order. They looked up to the Jedi as legitimate good guys, your kid could grow up to be a literal hero. The Jedi didn't have to go out looking for random kids to steal, they had more candidates then they had the ability to train. The Phantom Menace, flawed as that movie was, made it clear that everything about Anakin's discovery was very much abnormal, and the Jedi council worked very hard NOT to have him trained because of his emotional state, regardless of his actual power levels
41:45 keep in mind that showrunner Headland wanted this to be a story about her and her sister, and her real-life sister refuses to talk to her (the media repeatedly says that they’re ‘estranged’), and that Headland said that she thought that Frozen had incest vibes.
Huh? Listen, I know that Frozen's plot is a bit messy (The Hans being the twist villain) but my goodness.... Wut? She's probably jealous that Anna managed to be reunited with her estranged sister Elsa than she did in real life, lmao.
@@jocelantonettetenoc5996 “When I saw Frozen as a grown ass woman, I cried through the entire movie. There was just something about the relationship between the sisters, the like devillainization of the classic kind of fairy tale ‘bad guy,’ you know, the concept of true love being between two sisters and not a heterosexual relationship. It just destroyed me, completely.”
No wonder the girls in the show only portray the worst of sibling relationships. Yes, I understand family relationships are difficult and have problems, but if you're portraying family members like this and still somehow expect the audience to feel sorry for them when everything hits the fan, there shouldn't be any surprise as to who is the one that is seriously confused about how life really works.
Hey Alteori long time veiwer. Heres a Easy 101 guide to Force, Speed Run: "The Force Surrounds us, Penetrates us, Binds the Galaxy Together" • Medichlorians are force charged cells in everyone and everything • a higher Medichlorian count means easier to manipulate the force • Some are more Force Sensitive than others and then "Gifted" • the force itself is unbiased but is perceived as having two side. • the results of leading on either side shows in how it effects you. • the Lightside could turn you into a Force Ghost • the Darkside will give you Yellow eyes and extreme Hatred. Maybe lighting too • The Force itself can almost do anything but its usually wholely depends on the individual's level of skill and power +Examples of the Force Abilities are: Force Telepathy, precognition, healing, "persuasion", Force Jump & Speed, Force Stasis, Projection, "Mind Control," Force Lightning & Electric Judgment, Force Storm, Force Purge, Zombie Ritual, "Have Baby" and of course Stupidfiy
You see it might just be me, but the way they make it sound and the modern universe is it anybody can become a skilled force user. I would have never expected that some people have more of susceptibility than others, only that some are born with the ability to know how to use it off the bat, but everyone can become that powerful of they practice.
@@Alteori Precisely, and this is also one of the bigger frustrations with mainstream modern Starwars from older fans. They disregard the nuanced rules that the world was built upon. So now when you look for an explanation, it's waved off as "I always could." Example Luke Skywalker vs Rey "Palpitine" Luke's Growth is well displayed and shown, you see him struggle. When he fought Vader for the first time he lost his hand (like his father) and ran away. But with Rey she's plowing through it all and gets the hang easily, when she Fought Kylo Ren she won every encounter. The man is a seasoned fighter up against a rookie! (I really wanted the Finn (black guy) to be the lead cuz it makes sense)
Yea the whole portrayal of the jedi is weird like 1. They dont like taking kids that are osha and may's age becasue they have formed too much forced attachment 2. Most people willingly give there kids to jedi becasue well how can you raise a child that can throw you across the room on a whim 3. The second they did that shit to torben sabers woulda came out 4. The fact they identify as witches makes me think they are offshoots of night sisters which would make them darksiders so yea there basically evil with shades of grey becasue they draw from negative things like hate and selfishness
Depending on how they use the force. Since they actively interfere by creating life (creating the twins with the force) instead of just being lead by the force like jedi... that likely creates problems with the balance of the force.
@@FentionX All witches are dark side users. However in comparison to Sith and Jedi, their understanding off the Force is much lesser, they view it more as an elemental "in the wind and in the trees" kind of way. It does not make them any less dark side users. Which is further reinforced by the fact that witches are rarely good. And due to witches connection to the dark side, what they allegedly done in this show, creating life, especially on this scale, is outright impossible. Not improbable, impossible. Dark side users can manipulate life, but where Jedi can outright heal, Sith version is of more vampiric nature. Witches creating those twins completely breaks the lore of the Force.
I mean... Does it really? The girl is raised in what's presumed to be a sith, lesbian cult. She openly stated half a dozen times that she wants to leave said cult. She claims she wants to be a Jedi numerous times. Her mother's ignore that and try to force her to stay repeatedly, going so far as to tell her to fail the force sensitivity test when the Jedi come to test her. Then when they catch her throwing the test they stop and for the first time in the entire episode someone stops to ask her what she wants and encourages her to do what she wants instead of trying to conform to whatever her mother's want for her. They desperately want you to think the Jedi are evil, but the Jedi are the only ones that give a damn about what the girl wants.
@@orrorsaness5942 all that said, I'm sure it's gonna be a bait and switch where the Jedi are the ones that really started the fire instead of her sister because that's the entire point of the show. But that just speaks to how bad a job they did at making the Jedi feel evil. A good writer would have written in such a way that everything they do is sickeningly sweet, so even when they're doing good things it feels like they have some sort of malicious ulterior motives. Instead the Jedi come off as the heroes and we'll likely end up with a bait and switch that's had no build up because the writing sucks.
@@Lots-Of-People-are-SayingHonestly, the only person that felt somewhat manipulative was the guy that told his backstory to OSHA. Everyone else felt like some background character.
@@Lots-Of-People-are-Saying "Furious by the betrayal and fearful of losing her sister, Mae locks Osha in their bed chamber and starts a fire that swiftly consumes everything they know and love." Unless the episode guide is being used to try and deceive the audience, I think the sister started the fire
@@followeroftheprince i didn't say it was well written. First all from what I can tell, the place they live is carved from stone. Which means it can't be flammable. (There's actually quite a few reviewers trying to explain how the stone could burn.) second of all, I wouldn't put it past them to blatantly lie to hide a twist they're going for. Happens all the time. Time will tell though.
And yes, with the show creator specifically said is that she wanted to portray Jedi in a negative light she wanted the traditional good guys to be perceived as bad guys
Ironically, not one jedi did anything threatening or harmful. They were polite upon arrival and respectful. The witches struck first, threatened them, and attacked the padawan. So yeah, i still don't see them as the bad guys. Even if they make them act manipulative, which is still nonsense.
@@jaylennash5058 "This isn't about good or evil. It's about power and who is allowed to use it." They want us to believe the Jedi are these supremacists who think their way is the correct one and push down others. Shows how bad they are at remembering their own work as there are even canon Disney force sensitives the jedi know about but didn't do this.
Okayyyy, this is the singular thing about this show I will defend. They're new to combat, a quick warning what for what looks to be their very first time isn't that bad.
Before disney got star wars it was originally established that the Jedi don't accept kids past the age of 4, because they have too strong of an attachment to their family at that point and that could lead them down the dark side.
and if they actually taught them how to deal with their emotions and how to properly deal with attachments and whatnot then a certain Skywalker wouldn't have done what he did
@@orangesilver4568 Yeah, and there were a lot of families in Luke's new Jedi order - most of which didn't actually turn to the Dark Side - but also clear instances where family attachments did directly lead to paths down the darkside just as the old Jedi order feared. Most infamously Kyp Durron. There was also a period - or multiple periods - in the ancient past where Jedi had families. And even during the Clone Wars period there was Ki-Ai-Mundi (or whatever his name was) who was allowed an exception to the rule because of his species having an extreme gap of a lot more women than men so his species survival would have taken a major hit had he been held to the same rule. Plus there was the direct Padawan rule where established Jedi did more frequently take on older Padawans directly (which is what Qui-Gon tried to do when the Council denied Anakin training). At its core, the rule focusing on only taking in small children was at its core that 1) provided an obstacle for Anakin, and 2) was part of the larger picture of the old Jedi having fallen away from what they were supposed to be. But it was also a rule that wasn't without merit and made sense from the perspective of Jedi trying to uphold order. And ultimately, the fact that Luke's order managed to make things mostly work even without the restriction in place demonstrated that the old Jedi weren't wrong in their concerns, but perhaps went about trying to fix it in the wrong way. Rather, had they focused on Yoda's wisdom of 'learn to enjoy the time you have with those you love and let go of them when they die' that he gave to Anakin instead, it would have solved a lot of problems.
This entire series was created and show run by Leslie, Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant who absolutely knew exactly what the hell he was doing when he was abusing women, headland, why is this so confusing to you that they're screwing up Star Wars and the Jedi? Of course it's intentional, and of course it's all backwards.
So basically they openly wield the force while claiming they don't wield the force so they can feel smugly superior . . . this sounds strangely familiar.
@@Njordin2010drawing from your own life experiences in writing isn't always bad, its just that in this case and many others those life experiences usually begin and end in la
“Help me! I’m so oppressed, but wait while I exert social pressures over everyone else around me by guilt tripping anyone who questions me! I’m soooo oppressed!”
The Jedi Temple was on Coruscant, which was the capital planet of the Galactic Republic. The Jedi had open communications with every planet in the Republic and every non-Republic planet associated with those planets. If a young child displayed obvious strength in the Force for their species, there were channels to request an envoy from the Jedi temple to observe and test the child. The Jedi live through example, and only offer training, not demand it. If training is refused by the child, they accept that refusal, because the training cannot be effective if forced upon the child. If the training is refused by the parents, they also accept the parents’ wishes; to do otherwise would cause unnecessary distress in the child and disrupt their training. Also, if someone does go through training, but decides to leave the Jedi Order, they are allowed to do so. The Jedi deem a child “too old” to receive training, because as you age, it becomes difficult to overcome pre-conceived notions and ideas about yourself, others, and the universe in general. Children are more malleable and open to new ideas. It is usually harder for more developed minds to fully open themselves to the Force and allow the Force to flow through them. The Jedi also understand the relationship between masters and padawans must be built on trust and mutual respect in order for the training to be effective.
It seemed to me from Episode 1 that a big part of being "too old" is, the Jedi want to start training when children are young enough to forget all attachments they had before, even to their parents. You never hear Jedi talking about their parents, only their Jedi masters. Yoda's objection to Anakin was that he was too old (at age 9!), had attachments to his mother, and was afraid of losing her. That was the fear that leads to anger, hate and suffering -- and indeed, when Anakin failed to save his mother in Episode 2, his desire for revenge motivated his first evil act. The Jedi in the prequels talk a lot about how personal attachments are dangerous for a Jedi, and Palpatine is able to use Anakin's feelings for Padme and his desire for the power to save her, as a way of manipulating him. One can question the rightness of separating extremely young children from their parents and raising them as monks with no personal attachments, but this was already lore about the Jedi long before The Acolyte. I do wonder, though -- how much consent can a child really have, if a nine-year-old is too old?
Yeah, couldn't they use the force to make the fire disappear? Vader did that in the Kenobi show. I'm used to Disney waving every middle finger and toe at the og films but aiming those dirty dogs towards their own bull??
This makes me think something else killed them and we don't know what it was. I don't think Torbin would kill himself because Mae started a fire. He was guilty about something else we don't know about yet.
If anything the Jedi are still clearly the good guys here despite all the show's attempts to paint them as "bad", they did nothing wrong. They are like child protective services, they felt something was off about the way these children were being trained and they were right, what kind of sister tells her twin sister she will "end her" if she leaves, then proceeds to set her room on fire (the impossible physics of that is a whole different issue) but clearly one of the sisters was really messed up in the head before the Jedi arrived, the Jedi had every right to be suspicious and wanting to take them away. Also the notion Jedi always just take children by force from their parents is not true, Star Wars Theory pointed out this strawman in his latest video, go give it a,watch, for example, in the prequels the Jedi council literally refused to accept in and train Anakin because he was too old, it was Qui-Gon Jinn dying wish that persuaded them to do it.
I went to watch him after. He made me laugh and his voice is great lol. However, I still need more. He only touched on it briefly but then other fans are saying this is not a new lore with the Jedi, them actin like this.
@@Alteori Using my incomplete knowledge of the extended lore, the Jedi do have the right to take any force sensitive, they just usually don't. They were given that power primarily in times of war since a trained force user is basically a WMD and the Republic didn't want their enemies getting hold of such a resource. In peace the Jedi only take the very young because they find longer training creates more controlled and balanced Jedi. There actually have been Jedi led genocides (mostly known as the Sith Purge). It was started when the Jedi banned the use of Force Alchemy/Sorcery and the rebels in the organization joined with a dark side race on Korriban known as the Sith. (the Sith race actually had produced a number of Jedi) Force Alchemy was an extremely high level of dark force power that manipulated life itself and the Jedi (who at that time practiced a balance of light and dark, the light side only Jedi was an overcorrection on the Jedi after the wars) felt it was acting like god. Results include but are not limited to: the Rakh-gouhl plague - disease based mutated zombies (you literally slowly turn into a slavering monster with your mind being consumed by it over days or weeks) that had wiped out life on several planets, Darkwing Scourge - immortality tests that resulted in a hive mind zombie that slowly learned, Dathomiry witches enslaving the Rancor species and turning them into monsters, enslaving nearby villages for supplies and taking men for mates (who were killed afterwards) or assassins/bodyguards, created zombies, "voodoo" poisoned or controlled people, creating life - Anakin Skywalker, ect.
yeah, that may be like child protective services, but they themselves don't really know how to properly take care of children, especially with the whole dealing with emotions and attachments properly in a health way part let's very much failing at that with a certain Skywalker 😅
@ZorusSerif They surely screwed up with Anakin pretty badly (first thing they should have done after returning to temple was going back and freeing his mom for example), but doesn't mean they don't know how to deal with children, they raised hundreds if not thousands of younglings just fine, including many of the famous Jedi we know like Kenobi and Qui Gon Jinn.
remember, domestic abuse is more common in lesbian relationships than any other pairing groups. so the weird vibes between the moms was likely written from a place of experience but what do I know
That dynamic weirded me out. Like it could be written in a complex way on purpose. But if it’s supposed to be a positive representation, it’s pretty twisted
@@commandervile394 yes because Star Wars fans want you using there favorite franchises as a “therapy session” that’s the kind of stuff writers who bend the plot to there will rather then bending to the set up plot would say and it has shown
“They’re only four Jedi, who would miss them?” Oh, I dunno, maybe the Jedi Order who likely sent them off on this mission in the first place. With records showing who went and where they went, and for what purpose. The Jedi Order that would send another team to investigate the disappearance of at least one Master and a Master-Padawan team. The Jedi Order that has the support of the Republic and access to all those resources, ships, and what few combat troops they have, along with the forces the Jedi can muster. Let’s see your little coven deal with twenty experienced Jedi. God that was such a stupid line. Right there on par with “Attack me, with all of your strength.”
the writers of this show admitted they went out of their way to make the jedai look bad, and a bunch of other disgusting stuff, i genuinly hope the writers of this show, lose their job after this show flops
The Jedi weren't good though they did indeed kidnap children and sometimes destroyed other force religions and even genocides the old Sith homeworld. The real issue is that they act like the witches are good which is wrong.
Where is their father? They have no father... you mean those little black girls? Like dude who gave the okay for this? This just keeps getting worse when everyone says surely it can't get worse. They doubled and tripled down like holy shit.
It's supposed to ape / copy The Phantom Menace when Shmi says 'there is no father'. That's the reference. Problem is, there's no buildup to Anakin, so it's hard to extrapolate because now there's twins. Which does make Anakin non-special, but it also introduces a conceptual alien into the Star Wars universe if The Thread is more special than The Force, and Anakin isn't the chosen one, he's the runner-up.
It's ridiculous how the Acolyte writes and portrays the Jedi as being kind, respectful, and non-violent, yet tries to make them seem like villains. The witches were the ones to make the first move, and the Jedi were _still_ willing to leave peacefully and without a fuss, but the fact that the witches kept trying to interfere (and the fact that they use the Dark Side) means that their deaths were well deserved. _Because_ the witches are clearly Dark Side users, the Jedi would've been justified in simply taking the twins when they were out in the forest, but they didn't; the Jedi went to the effort of trying to establish a peaceful accord with the witches and allowing them to let the children go on their own terms, and they were even willing to leave the planet _without_ the children if they couldn't come to an agreement, so the Jedi were _completely_ in the right throughout the episode. Also, to clear any confusion, the Jedi have the right to _test_ someone for their Force potential, but they don't actually _take_ them unless their parents give their consent. Not only that, but the Jedi themselves allow parents to decline the tests in the first place. The one thing that happens in this episode that I disagree with is Torbin not telling the child that he was going to take a blood sample, but even then that could be chalked up as a mistake on his part due to inexperience.
Yup. The Dark Side isn't just "Spicy Force Magic," it literally fucks with your mind. This situation is like CPS finding two kids in a cult of weirdos who commune with God through methamphetamine, liturgical dance, and lesbianism.
It's understandable that the coven would be defensive, knowing that the Jedi were spying on them, plus they don't necessarily have reason to trust the Jedi, so in their fear can't be sure that the Jedi wouldn't just take the children. The mother also fears that the children will want to become Jedi, and choose to leave voluntarily. As the old witch says, "If they pass the test, the girls will leave", and one of the twins says, "if we pass, they take us away and we'll never see our mother again". So whether the Jedi would automatically take them on passing the test or not, the witches believe that they would. So far the story is simply doing a good job at showing how fear, distrust and misunderstanding between two competing ideologies can get out of control. The Jedi say: "We are concerned that you are training children. Republic law states -" This implies that only the Jedi can train force sensitive children, suggesting that the Jedi would forcefully take the children as the only way of preventing their training outside the Jedi order, regardless of whether dark side force magic was being used or not. Why? From the coven's perspective this is clearly wrong, and why shouldn't it be? Why does the Jedi religion have the only right to mould force potential children to fit their particular belief system? You say that the coven is using dark side magic and you may be right - there are certainly allusions to it - but so far we've seen no conclusive narrative evidence of this. The Jedi way of training children isn't necessarily without its flaws either; prohibiting them from having any attachments, to the extent of denying them meaningful relationships with their own family, has been shown in future stories (timeline wise) to be one of the causes of their downfall, and one of Anakin's main reasons for turning to the dark side. The point is, it's not as clear cut as "the Jedi are entirely good and justified, and the witches are entirely bad and wrong."
@@voiceinthenoise3357 Dude. They are Dark Side force adepts. Do you know what the Dark Side does to the mind and body? You might as well be signing off on leaving kids with meth addicts that'll start stripping the copper from their walls to make fucked up energy whips. They clearly didn't go into hiding very long ago, so they might not have had time to start their really sick shit up yet.
@@voiceinthenoise3357 The fact that the Jedi came forward and asked in the first place already means that they have been deemed by a Master as a non-threat. These witches are Force users, and a group this large out and about normally doesn't go very well with the Order. But they were given reprieve and were allowed to stay as they are. If the Coven had been deemed as a threat being a large group of Force users, they'd have called back to the Council and have them purged to the last.
How it is in actual canon Jedi seek out force sensitive children and ask their parents for permission to take the children to the temple to join the order. These children are usually 3-5, because the Jedi don't believe in attachments so they normally take the children before they get too old. In the case with Anakin he was too old and already attached to his mother so the Jedi council originally didn't want to take him in. It was only after Quin Gon died that the council finally decided to take him in, to respect his wishes. What's happening with Osha and Mae, wouldn't normally happen at all, the writers specifically did it like this to paint the Jedi as the bad guys and the witches as the good guys despite the fact they clearly worship the dark side. So yeah the Jedi aren't actually saints, and there have been extreme cases where they take children by force, but only when absolutely necessary. So no, the Jedi aren't like this normally, the writers just wanted to paint them as the bad guys.
@@justinhammer3196 They don't know they were created though, otherwise they would've taken them by force not try to manipulate the children over to them.
Same as in "Barbie" and "The Woman King" the witches are themselves far worse than the script is attempting to portray. They are basically "Space Dahomey"
@@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme They Barbie's rigged the election at the end to reinforce the oppressive status quo when the the Ken's wanted was equal representation.
Despite what most people think, the Jedi don't force people to give up their children they may remove them from abusive families; but majority they get the consent from the parents or the parents willing give them up to the order. the Acolyte is trying to paint the Jedi as villains because the writers have narrative they want to follow and they want it to supercede canon. The witches are supposed to be exiled and are not supposed to have children, since the mothers are hiding the fact that the twins were conceived by the use of the force, the Jedi looking into the matter to see if one of them may be thr chosen one, hence why they are so interested in osha.
Yeah they do. The whole reason why Darman and Etain's child was hidden during the events of Republic Commando besides keeping their relationship a secret was to keep the Jedi from taking him away.
@@Drums_of_Liberation the Jedi don't allow majority of their members to have children or a family, yeah there are exceptions but they're usually due to a near extinction of a species, if a member of the Jedi are having kids then of course the order is going to remove the child if the Jedi is still part of their ranks.
How would those witches grow as a society then? They would just die after a few years since none of them can reproduce with each other... It's obvious that they are ALL having force babys with each other.
Nah doctors often distract kids from needles so they dont stress out and jerk away and get hurt. So turning a traumatizing moment to a ouchy is much better.
17:12 Then something just snapped, something inside of me. I didn’t care anymore, I didn’t care about beating Kakarot, I didn’t care about being a super saiyan!
The weird pony tail thing is a symbolic thing to show that they are a Padawan meaning that they are in training it is removed when they become a knight and later they become a master. For races without hair they make a string of beads on their head to symbolize it. So in six years that guy becomes a master which is impressive and then stays in the force field for ten years
My best guess it's a terrible misunderstanding (if not out right hate for star wars) of the witches from the clone wars show. Witches were misandrist and treated males like shit, females and males lived in their own villages and they only met to make babies. They all call each other brothers and sisters like a cult or a close community. And the boss/strongest witch is called Mother. Not ''mama''. Isn't it racist? Also, those were witches of Dathomir but now there are witches everywhere! Add it to the purple lightsaber and Jedi that somehow survived the purge. Obi Wan was presumed dead, that's why they weren't looking for him. At least fake your death!
It’s Filoni, WDW pro made a great point about how much more prevalent the witches are in Star Wars media are now, even in the Jedi Fallen Order game. It’s all part of the plan, they even made an entire new universe JUST to give the witches a backstory in Ahsoka
@@audreyharris7643they are, I didn’t mean they were meant to be “bad”, they aren’t meant to be in this show either, but lucasfilm wants them to be more active than before and defo the replacement for the Jedi as the “good guys”
17:12 Thank God, I was home alone while watching this video because I have no clue what was going on here 😂. I guess this is the kind of stuff Disney Star Wars will do to your brain.
"I think you'll make a very good Jedi, Osha" Ah excuse me?? Isn't she too old!? Wasn't that the issue with Anakin??? Tell me you don't follow Star Wars lore when writing the show without telling me.
We once let an old child become a jedi... Then she and her sister who grew up to be sibling lesbian lovers who murdered men and kidnapped women to create their cult happened. So we all agreed to make an age limit on children to recruit.
I wouldn't take the side of the actual cannon on this... Justifying kidnapping toddlers to strip them of any capacity to bond with another person so they can be an emotionless soldier is an extremely bad look no matter how you frame it. Maybe, just maybe, that lore needs to die off. I mean that method of training works so well in Africa right?
@@elyrienvalkyr8167 since leaving a ticking time bomb in a child for the rest of its life is a positive thing right you saw how May murdered her whole clan becose she got really mad once and did not know how to control the force
@@elyrienvalkyr8167 The Jedi aren't taught to be _emotionless,_ but that they need to be at _peace._ The whole "no attachments" rule is something that a Jedi is _supposed_ to follow, but it's not really _enforced_ by anyone; what really matters is the ability to accept loss as a natural part of life, and not let attachments control you. Jedi are taken, with their parents' consent, at a young age so they can learn how to use their gifts for the betterment of society, and their young age means they're less susceptible to corruption. I'd also like to remind you that the Dark Side is, without question, an objectively dangerous, corruptive, and addictive force; once it's been used, no matter how well intentioned its use was, the temptation to use it again will always remain. On the other side, the Jedi are objectively _good,_ and that's something that _cannot_ be debated.
@@elyrienvalkyr8167do you even like star wars ? The Jedi do not kidnap children lol you are projecting your personal ideas into this story. Also the Jedi are not emotionless they are just not ruled by thier emotions. Unlike the sith who are ruled by thier emotion.
This shit they did with the kids really, really makes me appreciate what Rowling did with Harry Potter and Hogwarts where kids got a proper education from witches. This place just pushes kids around with fake wind
Rebels - You are evil and should have never been given power! Palps - Lesbian Space Witches no longer exist under my rule. No more fake Jedi either. Newly recruited Storm Troopers - You head the man! Long live the Empire!
The original motivations (pre Disney) Palpatine had for creating the Empire was... 1. Destroy the Jedi and bring the force under the sole control of the Dark Side, which is full of Force Users that love slavery, racism and power 2. Because he felt the presence of a Empire full of Sith stronger than Himself in Unknown Space waiting to invade "known space" and needed the "entire galaxy" united under a Fascistic rule with an army large enough to fight the Sith Empire and bring it under his control.
@Alteori the REASON why the Jedi was giving off SA/PDF Vibes, is because the Acolyte Creator is Leslie Headland. She was the PERSONAL ASSISTANT to *Harvey Weinstein* and was never punished for (allegedly) Feeding him his Victims. So of course Leslie would be someone who knows how to groom…😖
Hearing you talk about how predatory this language is, makes it so much more creepy to know that this show was written and directed by Harvey W's former assistant. Just wow!
I swear to god, you make me laugh so hard when you make fun of something stupid, you're laughter is awesome and infectious. Keep it up! This is one of my favorite channels.
Always great for a group, to see forced characters, that are associated with bad stories and also some sort of hollow characters. Great, i learn with those movies and series, that all lesbians seem to be like that, since they most often are depicted that way. Good job, i´d say. ... of course every lesbian - that doesn´t primarily identifies herself nearly excluesively with her sexuality and isn´t stuck in the tribalism game - would intuitively dislike or even hate that.
I don't know if anyone told you, but that's so-called. Rat Tail is actually a symbol stating that he is a patawan. You only remove that after you pass your jedi Knight trials.
To answer your question, Jedi were always perceived as good and a parangon of justice in the Star Wars Universe. Rarely you would see a jedi falling into the dark side. Also when looking for new apprentices, they would actually ask the family and the child if they want to become a jedi. If they said no, the jedi would just keep an eye on the kid to protect him/her from the Sith.
@@shraniken My opinion and your opinion. I respectfully accept yours even if I don't agree. That said if you're willing to talk why in your opinion does this retcon about the force not invalidate the main 6 films and Anakin as a character?
@@javierlopez9789 In that we are agreed. And in my opinion the same with the fall of The Empire, The death of The Emperor and with him the last of the true Sith, the force rebalanced, The Jedi coming back, and the formation of a functioning strong and reliable Government that doesn't repeat the woes of The Republic or The Empire all made pointless. To me the sequel Trilogy isn't canon. The Expanded now non Canon universe always will be. Not this new Disney Era Canon the exceptions being Rogue One and The Clone Wars/Bad Batch as those Disney wasn't fully involved and it shows with the quality and understanding of what Star Wars is by the writers and directors. Take my thumbs up haha.
@@Nekavandre AFAIK, the force wasn't manipulated to create Anakin. He was, from my understanding, some kind of force Jesus. Which is 1000% more lame than what happened here.
Honestly I find it really stupid how it feels like the writers have no idea how anything works. Cause clearly they don’t understand Star Wars and clearly they have absolutely no idea how Fire works cause just like in the first episode. Fire just defies logic and burns when it shouldn’t.
There's a very easy lesson the star wars movies taught us both in the original trilogy and again in the prequels. Love leads to fear, fear leads to grief, grief leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the dark side. The Jedi absolutely do not like taking on new students have have strong attachments to someone, the Jedi council absolutely REFUSED to take on Anakin even though it was Qui Gon's dying wish, it was only until Obi Wan threatened to defect if he was not allowed to teach Anakin that they relented. The Jedi would ABSOLUTELY not go to a random ass planet of witches and try to kidnap one of two twin girls that had their parents still in their lives., they would probably not take on those two twins as Jedi even if the witches BEGGED the Jedi to do so because of the huge fucking risk they would to becoming Sith.
Real life might be a complicated gray mess, but Star Wars has always been pretty black and white about good versus evil, one being the Jedi and the other being the Sith. This just seems like a deliberate attempt to, once again, rewrite the Mythos in order to further tarnish what's left of Lucas's original vision.
Mother: "Osha is a child." Witch: "She is old enough to know what she wants." Mother: "I did not bring the girls into this world so we can lose them to a bunch of deranged monks." Witch: "It is not your decision, it is mine. And I made it." Mother: "I carried them." Witch: "I created them." Mother: "And what happens, if the Jedi discover HOW you created them?" ***** It's official: the witches prayed to the Brother (the Dark Side) in order to create the supposed twins.
HellavuBabyFace had a really good observation in this episode showing how evil the witches were and that Jedi were right (so far) and heroes (as of episode 3).
@@Alteori he has two as of now about this episode. But wow did he put it correctly at how bad the witches (and Mae) were acting as well as it making sense that Jedi would come because can you imagine a galaxy with force sensitive people (some of whom are extremely powerful) who have zero training and would cause absolute chaos in the galaxy? It’s good stuff 👍 Oh and this is also a great channel keep up the great work!
So, one of the themes of the precuels is that the Jedi order has become complacent and entangled in politics, they look like hipocrits which allows the villain to twist the Republic's institutions (also eroded) against them and form the totalitarian empire. Different authors treat the potential evil inside Jedis in different ways, but through trials and stories, in the end a Jedi is a knight of justice, sometimes of creed or personal.
they've also forgotten about some of their past beliefs & teachings like how to properly deal with emotions and attachments in a healthy way, and that emotions and attachments aren't necessarily all bad and can be beneficial and also a lot of Jedi, in addition, became the very arrogant
@@ZorusAgartha "they've also forgotten about some of their past beliefs & teachings like how to properly deal with emotions and attachments in a healthy way, and that emotions and attachments aren't necessarily all bad and can be beneficial" Untrue. Forget what you thought you learned from the expanded universe and watch the movies again. Jedi have bonds and loves, and grow stronger through those bonds. That's a thing that happens in the original six films. Lucas himself, makes an out-of-setting statement about that very thing, saying Jedi are against _unhealthy_ forms of attachment. "and also a lot of Jedi, in addition, became the very arrogant" Wrong. Yoda specifically talked about this, and he said "some," and that at the time of Episode 2, that was a flaw that was growing more common. That was growing more common though, because of something people tend to forget about because, I swear, nobody ever watches the movies, the ability of the Jedi to use the Force was diminishing, and it was diminishing because Palpatine had tipped the balance of the Force all the way into dark.
It was established that dark plague is the Dark Sith Lord was the only one that was able to create a life with the force using it in a dark way. When the dark plagues did something that was so dark to the force, the force had to rebalance itself, so it created anakin.
Honestly I really took what happened in the show is going to some how lead to plagious(definitely butchered that name) discovering the ability to create life
Every single gripe that you had over this episode makes me feel like you're taking the words right out of my mouth. As for how the Jedi were written, her whole plan was to flip what everyone knew about Star Wars on its head. So, I think she's fully intending on writing the Jedi as shady. The rock could have something in it like sulfur, which is combustible. However, this episode had me smacking my forehead.
28:13 Correct, the word "Padawan" is the word for "apprentice." Meaning someone who is still new and in training, that rat tail hair is also an indicator for this status.
Ah. The guy should never have brought him there then in the presence of which is that are super powerful and super aggressive. I mean maybe that's how they train them but damn
@@Alteori You are correct, for someone who is not in the STAR WARS fandom you pretty much came to the right conclusions most of the time. And yes the JEDI in this series were STUPID! Like when Osha was falling and the Asian jedi caught her hand why didn't he just use the Force to stop her from falling? Like he did *IN THE PREVIOUS EPISODE???* It is so damn inconsistent...
I can’t stop. This episode hurt so much. I’m now totally all for the Empire blowing up the galaxy. Please as long as this pain goes away. Hail the Emperor who wipes the slate clean!
It took Disney ten years to burn down this IP. TEN years. Good job. Whatever series or movie they plan after this will only meet utter hatred, or pure apathy. And it is all of their own making. GOOD JOB!
4:06 in the SW universe spice is an addictive narcotic. which explains why mae wants to stay so badly...the spice cream 16:57 - they are hi on spice cream
The jedi are meant to seek out very young, younger than them, force-sensitive children and take them if the parents are willing. They, like Anakin, should be considered too old because they have too many attachments.
I've never been an expert on the lore, but Jedi training starts when children are younger than 4 if i remember correctly and they indeed looked for force sensitive kids...but they NEVER took them by force or creepy subterfuge and it was always a choice of the family to give them up to the order. It might feel weird but you gotta understand that in the "old canon" force sensitive people were extremely rare and most of the time the family made that choice because the order would have provided a better life and safety to the kid. They had to be young because children can more easily open their mind to the force and because the jedi tought that emotional attachments to the family could lead to the dark side because of the fear of loss (as Yoda says "Fear is the path to the dark side... fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"), this was one of the rules that got changed when Luke rebuilt the order (in the old canon at least). The way this show portrays the jedi is so creepy and stupid.
Some of those kids weren't willingly given up though. One of the main reasons Palpatine in the EU was never discovered by the Jedi was that his parents had hidden him away so the Jedi wouldn't take him
@@Drums_of_Liberation where's this story from? Again, i know very little about the "Legends" lore but i can't seem to find anything about this. Wikies just say that Palpie was basically always an ass and was interested in sith lore and artifacts since his early years
Very simply put not taking and training force sensitive children when they are young leaves them vulnerable to the dark side and endangers them and their families and community. So the Jedi train them to handle their gifts so they don’t go all psycho and burn down the whole town and murder people but yeah sure they’re the bad guys. **this is Harvey W personal assistants project- Leslie created, wrote, and directed so if it’s giving you creepy predator vibes 🤔 also Jedi are originally the good side of the force (they are flawed but good) but Disney Star Wars has tried to blur the lines between good and evil so of course they have to destroy the Jedi and make them like evil creepers
Well see that makes sense but then the witches make it seem as though the Jedi are being monopolistic with their power. The witches have learned to control their power so in their perspective, why can't the witches train the children?
@Alteori Perhaps if the witches had conveyed that and not been all shady and attacked they could’ve discussed 🤷♀️ however the fact that just one of the little girls was able to defend against the mother, when two full grown women couldn’t showed that the girls powers were far beyond them
@@Alteori The difference between these witches and the Jedi, is that these witches teach their students to use the dark side. That's incredibly dangerous for the whole galaxy at large. Per Darth Vader, "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force," and it's true. Leaving darksiders alone is like letting a ticking nuclear timebomb just do its thing.
'Everything must always fall in her hands, she must always maintain control when it suits her, nobody takes this person seriously because she says one thing and the directly contradicts herself' Alteori, you just described Kathleen Kennedy AND RTD with that one sentence!
If this was written by Lucas, the Jedi would've seen the Zabrak mother (the one with horns) and instantly realise she was a force user attuned to the dark side of the force, that's what the black markings signifies in the Zabrak race. They would then ask to test the children, with no manipulation. Plus under Lucas Jedi would only take the child if the parents or guardians agreed. *edit* Also the lack of horns on both twins and the lack of Black Markings on Mae (both as a child, where shes clearly on the path to being "evil", and as an adult where she's a Sith Acolyte) leads me to believe that even though the Zabrak carried them they don't have any of her DNA.
Black markings on a Zabrak don't mean they are evil, the tattoos signify their heritage and where they come from. There are Sith tattoos and similar used by dark side users, which are what Maul and the male Zabraks on Dathamir wore.
It's very sus that Leslye Headland, the main writer/director of this show, knows exactly how child predators work. Right down to what words they use and how they use them.
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If they wanted to show witches in Star wars they should have done the dathomirian night sisters they're much more interesting and we still don't know much about them
For Context: The Jedi do not kidnap children, they can however ask the children if they want or are willing to become a Jedi. But ultimately it is left up to the parents. This show does not show that.
The Jedi would however, monitor this planet very carefully to prevent Sith from kidnapping these children or if the coven were dabbling in dark side of the force. Which if this was Lucas era star wars, this coven would have to go before a tribunal for using dark side powers on the Padawan. That would not go unanswered.
This show is just making stuff up as it goes along at this point.
So which us it? The Jedi say in the show the Witches are not allowed to train children. But you don't think the Jedi should do anything about the fact the witches are training children even though you say in the lore they wouldn't allow it?
@@justinhammer3196 If this was the original lore, the minute they used dark side powers the Jedi would have retreated and came back in force for them to go before a republic tribunal to answer for it and have to explain what they are doing. If they resisted the Jedi would wipe them out, with the backing of the republic and take the children. But, as I said this is lazy horrible writing.
@@Phelestat It's not good writing, you're right. But the Jedi aren't really in the wrong big picture wise.
@@justinhammer3196 Oh I never meant to imply that they were in the wrong. My apologies if I made it sound like that. I was just explaining what a rational Jedi would do lol.
This exactly.
"I'm not familiar with the lore..."
Don't feel bad, neither are the writers.
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No. They extensively reference Legends which did the same things, which is why there is sizable portion of the fanbase that have claimed Jedi are evil since before Disney owned LucasFilm.
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Just knowing not to code a supposed "good guy" as one of the most famous villains in the franchise is a good start. Like, are we SUPPOSED TO IGNORE, that she is Rule 63 of a man with literally no mission outside of expanded lore aside from killing Jedi?
@mpnuorva isn't it interesting that they de-canonized the extended universe and then cherry-picked out of context bits to make it worse?
Just remember; They killed the old Expanded Universe for this...
A travesty that, a lot of it could have been translated pretty directly into movies or series.
They had material for years.
Material they have attempted to recycle for years now. Would Thrawn ever have been a thing if they didn’t use the expanded universe.
And they have the audacity to use KoTOR stuff
@@Scruffynerfherder10 i just hope they never touch the vong
@@usernamealreadytaken9330excuse me, what?
The fire burned the rocks because they weren't Osha-compliant
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"It's only four Jedi. Who would miss them?"
What an absolutely wild statement to come from a Star Wars show. The Jedi aren't random foot soldiers. There are very few of them at any given time, and each one is considered extremely valuable. They all have tons of responsibilities and most serve as Generals in the military. Even one going missing would be considered a major event.
Im glad somebody else noticed. During the clone wars, you'd rarely see 4 or more jedi leading a legion of clones. I was more surprised they sent 4 to some random witch coven than that they were sent at all.
@@Johnyjohn-mc-jonjon to send 4 jedi shows the jedi consider them VERY dangerous.
@revolvertaco7493 I think it's more likely that the director just has no idea how valuable a Jedi's time is. Like I said before, it feels like they consider the Jedi to be common foot soldiers. Sending groups on missions was common, but they would usually have only one Master Jedi and MAYBE a Padawan. The rest of the group would be non-jedi soldiers or ship crew members.
@@Goomsies Like Phantom Menace had just one Jedi Master and his Padawan accompanied only by the crew of the ship that carried them.
Weren't there many, many Jedi across the galaxy at this point in history? Like, thousands or more? They've already established that there are localised Jedi temples on different worlds, implying huge numbers. It's hardly a plot hole or against lore that they sent 4 Jedi to deal with a coven of force witches, and in their desperation/arrogance the witches tried to convince themselves that they could get away with killing them secretly.
Anakin's creation is meant to be special due to the fact that he was a direct rebuttal to attempted manipulation by the Sith. Plageuis and Palpatine essentially went too far. The whole point was that using the force for your own selfish ends will always cause backlash. The witches essentially make it seem like anyone can just poof kids into existence whenever they feel like it...
Disney: "It's okay when women do it!" 😂
You're looking at that (really good) theory and calling it fact. And it is a good theory with lots of supporting dialogue from novelizations and cut content. But ultimately all that is definitive was that Anakin's existence is to act as a way to bring balance to the force, whether sith alchemy was involved or not.
Star wars is a universe of infinite possibilities, when the witches of dathomir were introduced I was shocked at the existence of the force being used in ways to tie the spirit to a body after death, raise an army of undead and create swords out of thin air.
How is this any different? It doesn't detract from the significance of the chosen one, and it expands how different cultures would utilize and perceive the force.
I'm not saying these are reasons to like the show, imo the show should be looking better based on its budget. All in all it's just another addition to the Disney cannon. I like both legends and some of the Disney stuff, (don't like the sequel trilogy though) but there's also been a lot of cool stuff. And it more than I would have expected if George still had it, I think for George outside of the main movies he has always given absolute freedom for the most part, and he also knew how to piss off fans as expertly as Disney does. So really if newer star wars stuff is still pissing off fans then I dunno job well done I guess.
@@danyul2571 _How is this any different?_
It's stupid.
@@danyul2571 I agree with a lot of this. George did have finale say in all the Legends era media though. Case in point, he told them to kill Anakin Solo because he was too close to being like Anakin Skywalker if he stayed on the Light Side. Which, by the way, pissed me off so yeah George had that knack.
But yeah, it's a great theory that I like but I so wish it was just canon period. Really loved that novel.
The thing is their not even the first one to do it... Yenna from the nightsister is outright made of their burial pods and shell's its been a thing for a while.
Fun fact: Spice in Star Wars is a highly illegal drug. So, those "Spice Creams" are basically crack cakes.
Lmao 🤣
Maybe the drugs are to try keep the girls in the commune?
It worked for Caesar Clown.
It's an such thing as highly illegal. It's either legal or it's not.
@@zufalllx highly illegal would be a felony. Normal illegal would be a misdemeanor. So yeah, there is a difference.
@@Saavryn if that's what we're going to go with then no, it wouldn't be highly illegal. Not all drug possessions the felony. As a matter of fact most of it is not a felony
The Power of Lesbian Space Witches is weak in this one.
This is my favorite comment possibly ever
I find her lack of scissoring disturbing
The DEI is strong in this one.
its running low on fumes , like a bad steampunk movie ( no offense to "Wild Wild West" )
...may the Thread be with you. (WTF?!?!?)
Alteori, I am so sorry you went through the unthinkable as a child. There is nothing more evil than harming a child. Despite that, you should be proud of who you have become. I know we don’t know each other personally, but in your videos, we see someone compassionate, insightful, funny, and tough. ❤
I appreciate that. It made me stronger and I forgave them all a long time ago ❤️ Glad I could make you smile 😺
@@AlteoriI was thinking and had the same feelings as you when watching the Jedi in this Episode…. Then it dawned on me!!! 🤯
There is a reason why this show gives you that Icky Feeling! Just take a look at who the Acolyte Creator is. MORE Importantly, what she did for her last job and who she worked for….
*Warning:* You might flip your lid at the evilness! 🤬
Witch: "You Jedi with your brainwashed order, twisted creed, and impersonal force... What gives you the right to criticize our loving coven, our blessed ascension and our all connecting thread?!"
Jedi: "Ma'am I realize it's rude of us to visit unannounced, but we barely introduced ourselves before you mind crushed my padawan.”
Lmao, Reject The Acolyte
Embrace The Pensuke Files!
Jedi; lady you run degenerate sex cult in the ass end of nowhere. lets not make this a space waco incident.
evil twin; lol fire burn.
"why do the Jedi sound like predator?"
That's because the person who created this show have personal experience working with one.
Write what you know.
To be fair, Jedi even in the old EU were known child thieves so they technically are predators.
@@thatHARVguyoof
May "allegedly" also been an active participant alongside that one as well.
Hahaha LMAO
Mother Ineseya drew first by mind-r@ping the padawan Torbin AFTER she had called for no weapons and no violence. Everything that happens next is on her. The Jedi are blameless, Mae is a misguided sociopath, and Trinity died for nothing.
Nice work, show.
RIGHT!!!!! That was weird lol.
@@Alteori none of this story makes any sense! Even when it catches itself in an unguarded moment of narrative coherence, it has to fk it up out of sheer spite.
It’s almost like they’re so blinded by their ignorance and stupidity that they can’t create good stories
@@Alteori Really do yourself a favor and watch the old movies, and treat them like an alternate universe or something if you worry about Disney ruining everything. They are good old classic entertainment and no amount of cinematic vomit that is made today can change that.
Not to mention being rude and confrontational from the start of their meeting.
How the twins act could be summed up as “Fatherless behaviour”😂
Everyone but sol acts like that in this show
Tbh in many families mothers often are more strict towards the kids than their fathers are.
@@Nutmeg- Is "strictness" the measure of a good father, though? And are mothers and fathers strict about the same things or in the same ways? Fathers make mothers better mothers, too. Research shows that "fatherless behavior" is real.
You rack disaprine @@vlo4829
The guy from Squid Games is the only character I care about. Somehow, he is the best actor who presents his lines even though he just learned English.
Same. I got mad when he died and I didn’t even watch or care about the show!
Giving the kid a lightsaber was wild. It is like handing a kid a loaded gun. It reminds me of in the original Star Wars, Obi Wan gives Luke a lightsaber and he turns it on and I'm thinking, "Geeze. Without any knowledge of those things, he could accidentally eviscerate himself! Or you!"
Yeah I was expecting her to activate it and it burn his face off 😂
All Jedi children get lightsabers, well training sabers I guess
To be fair, I was handed a loaded gun as a kid. That was after years of fake guns and the importance of "don't look down the barrel" type talks. Same with swords and knives. Little wooden and training ones until the adults around me felt comfortable enough with my knowledge and safety and common sense around them to hand me sharpened blades and loaded weapons. Under supervisoon on the loaded weapons of course, the blades were less protected just because we were expected to be able to use them in the rough neighborhoods if we came home to an empty but unlocked/open house
@@kyze8284 that's fair but I feel like a gun is safer than a lightsaber. Does it even have a safety? Gun requires you to fire it and pull trigger mechanism. The lightsaber if turned on can slice through metal and shit 😂
@@Alteori I heard from a very hardcore fan in highschool (I'm sure they retconned this though since Flynn or whoever the Rey clone trooper was could use one "just because" that lightsabers had to be activated through the force and that there wasn't an actual button on them. Just a handle to protect them from the blade, the kyber crystal for power, and their use of the force drawing the power out of the crystal to form a blade. Also why it was only force wielders that could find the crystals, because they were SUPPOSED to just be rocks to everybody else;
Minus the superpowered Death Star that supposedly was using giant kyber crystals (that Darth Vader himself needed to find since the miners couldn't figure out what was crystal and what was ice/rocks) to basically make a giant lightsaber to destroy planets (which is why it had to be IN RANGE of a planet and not just shoot a giant laser from across the galaxy) but that was just so much power required to operate it was only feasible with a construct the size of a moon
Basically, lightsabers were just a metal rod with a icy looking crystal inside until you learned to control the force enough and be intuned enough to find, make, and then power your own saber through the force. A paperweight to anyone else
Disney - "From my point of view, it's the Jedi whos evil"
Mainstream: Then you are lost!
But the Jedi are evil. They're no different to Scientology or any other cult in existence.
They're all about controlling their members and forcing their beliefs upon the masses.
They just prefer to operate and maintain control from the shadows rather than drawing attention to their intentions like the Sith would.
Disney “what if the girl with attachment issue,serial killer warning traits and anger control issues was the good guy” and here a kicker what if we blamed her twin who doesn’t want to lie, doesn’t want to be a cog in a collective, has aspirations of being better then her current world and doesn’t want to be an emotional crutch for a psychopath.
Legends stated that many saw the jedi as not so good, but it was not because of this, families would always be okay with giving their sons and daughters to them, but what they were not okay with was that they would've NEVER seen them again (except ki adi mundi and others of his species because of a birth crisis going on on their world) and because when dealing with civil unrest the jedi up until the clone wars era used to live and sleep in luxury rather than mingle with the common people.
There were LAYERS, well defined and interesting, this garbage is NOT layered, its stupid ass propaganda made by satanic idiots who see evil as good
look up the Sith genocide
OSHA wanted to be a Jedi because the witch village wasn't up to fire code standards.
We told them not to use flameable rocks but they kicked us out saying using non-flameable ones would infringe on a childs natural desire to burn their family and friends alive.
I can see it now.
Osha - Mom... Why are you covering everything in gasoline?
Mother - Because men claim it is stupid to cover everything in gasoline so we must apply countless coating of gasoline on everything! I am the smarty one!
Funny. Was waiting to find a govt joke in there. Thx.
@darrellborder8555 I've had to sit thru my fair share of OSHA training 😂
@@Senkoau 🤣🤣🤣
"I did not bring them into the world so they could be taken by deranged monks"
said the high priestess of the covenant, in the middle of the ascension ritual for the girls they magicked into existance, after chanting to the force.
also, the jedi's recruitment process has always been sketchy, but they are supposed to be a lot more diplomatic and less creepy than these guys. especially in the OG trilogy.
Has it? From my understanding they don’t take away anyone’s children without the consent of the parents.
@@White_Recluse yep. Republic law states that the legal guardians of a child found to be strong in the force can refuse to hand them over to the Jedi without any backlash or penalty. Also Jedi didn’t recruit children ages 4 and above because they would have a emotional attachment to their families that could turn them to the dark side.
They are deranged monks though... They believe that having emotion will make you evil one day. So they raise children from a young age into their cult to be emotionless soldiers that follow every command. Don't forget that it was originally the Jedi that controlled the clone troopers.
Wrong on the Jedi. Their recruitment being sketchy comes from morons who like to flanderize the Jedi and make them look bad. The ONLY compelled thing pre-Disney that the Jedi can do is a midiclorian test. From that point, they can only ask if they can take the child for training. The parents have every right to say “no”, and if they do there’s nothing the Jedi can do about it.
@@White_Recluse the only repercussion for refusing the Jedi's offer of training was the kid would not be allowed to be trained in the force out of fear you'd have a rogue dark sider running lose, which is actually pretty reasonable when you think about it. The choice the parents had was let the kid get trained to use their powers.... or just don't. That's it.
in the original lore, the stuff written by adults, people were also kind of eager to get their kids tested while young enough to enter the Jedi order. They looked up to the Jedi as legitimate good guys, your kid could grow up to be a literal hero. The Jedi didn't have to go out looking for random kids to steal, they had more candidates then they had the ability to train.
The Phantom Menace, flawed as that movie was, made it clear that everything about Anakin's discovery was very much abnormal, and the Jedi council worked very hard NOT to have him trained because of his emotional state, regardless of his actual power levels
41:45 keep in mind that showrunner Headland wanted this to be a story about her and her sister, and her real-life sister refuses to talk to her (the media repeatedly says that they’re ‘estranged’), and that Headland said that she thought that Frozen had incest vibes.
Huh? Listen, I know that Frozen's plot is a bit messy (The Hans being the twist villain) but my goodness.... Wut? She's probably jealous that Anna managed to be reunited with her estranged sister Elsa than she did in real life, lmao.
@@jocelantonettetenoc5996 “When I saw Frozen as a grown ass woman, I cried through the entire movie. There was just something about the relationship between the sisters, the like devillainization of the classic kind of fairy tale ‘bad guy,’ you know, the concept of true love being between two sisters and not a heterosexual relationship. It just destroyed me, completely.”
@@Harpagio"the power of one, the power of two" ...sounds like one too manyyyyyyy lol 😂😅
No wonder the girls in the show only portray the worst of sibling relationships. Yes, I understand family relationships are difficult and have problems, but if you're portraying family members like this and still somehow expect the audience to feel sorry for them when everything hits the fan, there shouldn't be any surprise as to who is the one that is seriously confused about how life really works.
@@Harpagio Ok, that's even worse that I can imagine.
Hey Alteori long time veiwer. Heres a Easy 101 guide to Force, Speed Run:
"The Force Surrounds us, Penetrates us, Binds the Galaxy Together"
• Medichlorians are force charged cells in everyone and everything
• a higher Medichlorian count means easier to manipulate the force
• Some are more Force Sensitive than others and then "Gifted"
• the force itself is unbiased but is perceived as having two side.
• the results of leading on either side shows in how it effects you.
• the Lightside could turn you into a Force Ghost
• the Darkside will give you Yellow eyes and extreme Hatred. Maybe lighting too
• The Force itself can almost do anything but its usually wholely depends on the individual's level of skill and power
+Examples of the Force Abilities are:
Force Telepathy, precognition, healing, "persuasion", Force Jump & Speed, Force Stasis, Projection, "Mind Control," Force Lightning & Electric Judgment, Force Storm, Force Purge, Zombie Ritual, "Have Baby" and of course Stupidfiy
You see it might just be me, but the way they make it sound and the modern universe is it anybody can become a skilled force user. I would have never expected that some people have more of susceptibility than others, only that some are born with the ability to know how to use it off the bat, but everyone can become that powerful of they practice.
@@Alteori Precisely, and this is also one of the bigger frustrations with mainstream modern Starwars from older fans. They disregard the nuanced rules that the world was built upon. So now when you look for an explanation, it's waved off as "I always could."
Example Luke Skywalker vs Rey "Palpitine"
Luke's Growth is well displayed and shown, you see him struggle. When he fought Vader for the first time he lost his hand (like his father) and ran away.
But with Rey she's plowing through it all and gets the hang easily, when she Fought Kylo Ren she won every encounter. The man is a seasoned fighter up against a rookie!
(I really wanted the Finn (black guy) to be the lead cuz it makes sense)
Yea the whole portrayal of the jedi is weird like 1. They dont like taking kids that are osha and may's age becasue they have formed too much forced attachment 2. Most people willingly give there kids to jedi becasue well how can you raise a child that can throw you across the room on a whim 3. The second they did that shit to torben sabers woulda came out 4. The fact they identify as witches makes me think they are offshoots of night sisters which would make them darksiders so yea there basically evil with shades of grey becasue they draw from negative things like hate and selfishness
Depending on how they use the force. Since they actively interfere by creating life (creating the twins with the force) instead of just being lead by the force like jedi... that likely creates problems with the balance of the force.
@@FentionX All witches are dark side users. However in comparison to Sith and Jedi, their understanding off the Force is much lesser, they view it more as an elemental "in the wind and in the trees" kind of way. It does not make them any less dark side users. Which is further reinforced by the fact that witches are rarely good.
And due to witches connection to the dark side, what they allegedly done in this show, creating life, especially on this scale, is outright impossible. Not improbable, impossible. Dark side users can manipulate life, but where Jedi can outright heal, Sith version is of more vampiric nature.
Witches creating those twins completely breaks the lore of the Force.
@@sjent One doesn't have to understand The Force to fall to the Dark Side.
Witches of Dathomir were originally lightsiders and the night sisters were the dark side rejects.
@@SpaceJawa Heh. A very interesting statement with double meaning. Love it.
I mean... Does it really? The girl is raised in what's presumed to be a sith, lesbian cult. She openly stated half a dozen times that she wants to leave said cult. She claims she wants to be a Jedi numerous times. Her mother's ignore that and try to force her to stay repeatedly, going so far as to tell her to fail the force sensitivity test when the Jedi come to test her. Then when they catch her throwing the test they stop and for the first time in the entire episode someone stops to ask her what she wants and encourages her to do what she wants instead of trying to conform to whatever her mother's want for her. They desperately want you to think the Jedi are evil, but the Jedi are the only ones that give a damn about what the girl wants.
True
@@orrorsaness5942 all that said, I'm sure it's gonna be a bait and switch where the Jedi are the ones that really started the fire instead of her sister because that's the entire point of the show. But that just speaks to how bad a job they did at making the Jedi feel evil. A good writer would have written in such a way that everything they do is sickeningly sweet, so even when they're doing good things it feels like they have some sort of malicious ulterior motives. Instead the Jedi come off as the heroes and we'll likely end up with a bait and switch that's had no build up because the writing sucks.
@@Lots-Of-People-are-SayingHonestly, the only person that felt somewhat manipulative was the guy that told his backstory to OSHA. Everyone else felt like some background character.
@@Lots-Of-People-are-Saying "Furious by the betrayal and fearful of losing her sister, Mae locks Osha in their bed chamber and starts a fire that swiftly consumes everything they know and love."
Unless the episode guide is being used to try and deceive the audience, I think the sister started the fire
@@followeroftheprince i didn't say it was well written. First all from what I can tell, the place they live is carved from stone. Which means it can't be flammable. (There's actually quite a few reviewers trying to explain how the stone could burn.) second of all, I wouldn't put it past them to blatantly lie to hide a twist they're going for. Happens all the time. Time will tell though.
And yes, with the show creator specifically said is that she wanted to portray Jedi in a negative light she wanted the traditional good guys to be perceived as bad guys
Ironically, not one jedi did anything threatening or harmful. They were polite upon arrival and respectful. The witches struck first, threatened them, and attacked the padawan. So yeah, i still don't see them as the bad guys. Even if they make them act manipulative, which is still nonsense.
As if we haven't seen THAT one a million times lately.
@@grizzakaful I completely agree I really wonder why they wanted the Jedi to be perceived in that way
@@jaylennash5058 "This isn't about good or evil. It's about power and who is allowed to use it." They want us to believe the Jedi are these supremacists who think their way is the correct one and push down others. Shows how bad they are at remembering their own work as there are even canon Disney force sensitives the jedi know about but didn't do this.
Subversion to normalize the bad.
Witches: "The power of One!"
Me: "Nothin wrong with me!"
Witches: "The power of Two!"
Me: "Nothin wrong with me!"
*_LET THE JEDI HIT THE FLOOR, LET THE JEDI HIT THE FLOOR, LET THE JEDI HIT THE FLOOOOOOOOOORR_*
Witches: "The power of One!"
Me: "Something's got to give!"
Witches: "The power of Two!"
Me: "Something's got to give!"
@@DEATH-THE-GOAT let the bodies hit the floor and raining man is the same song from different perspectives
What we’re witnessing in real time is the character assassination of the Jedi. It’s disgusting. Jedi do NOT behave this way.
Mother "your enemies will not warn you before they attack."
5 seconds later "block me."
Okayyyy, this is the singular thing about this show I will defend.
They're new to combat, a quick warning what for what looks to be their very first time isn't that bad.
First episode: "Attack me"
Or how she says the thread binds us to destiny and a minute later there is no destiny or fate, do they even read the scripts?
Before disney got star wars it was originally established that the Jedi don't accept kids past the age of 4, because they have too strong of an attachment to their family at that point and that could lead them down the dark side.
This was one of the main reasons why the Jedi Council did not want to train Anakin. They say this in The Phantom Menace
and if they actually taught them how to deal with their emotions and how to properly deal with attachments and whatnot then a certain Skywalker wouldn't have done what he did
Which honestly doesn’t make sense
Didn't Luke restart and change the Jedi order?
@@orangesilver4568 Yeah, and there were a lot of families in Luke's new Jedi order - most of which didn't actually turn to the Dark Side - but also clear instances where family attachments did directly lead to paths down the darkside just as the old Jedi order feared. Most infamously Kyp Durron.
There was also a period - or multiple periods - in the ancient past where Jedi had families. And even during the Clone Wars period there was Ki-Ai-Mundi (or whatever his name was) who was allowed an exception to the rule because of his species having an extreme gap of a lot more women than men so his species survival would have taken a major hit had he been held to the same rule.
Plus there was the direct Padawan rule where established Jedi did more frequently take on older Padawans directly (which is what Qui-Gon tried to do when the Council denied Anakin training).
At its core, the rule focusing on only taking in small children was at its core that 1) provided an obstacle for Anakin, and 2) was part of the larger picture of the old Jedi having fallen away from what they were supposed to be.
But it was also a rule that wasn't without merit and made sense from the perspective of Jedi trying to uphold order.
And ultimately, the fact that Luke's order managed to make things mostly work even without the restriction in place demonstrated that the old Jedi weren't wrong in their concerns, but perhaps went about trying to fix it in the wrong way.
Rather, had they focused on Yoda's wisdom of 'learn to enjoy the time you have with those you love and let go of them when they die' that he gave to Anakin instead, it would have solved a lot of problems.
Why do I get the feeling this show was made by people who haven't watched a single Lucas Starwars movie?
well because it was
Of course they didn’t, what did leslye headland say when she was asked her favourite Star Wars film was: “all of them”!
@@Scruffynerfherder10 who was that black guy who said "like that time Anakin Skywalker blew up the death star"?
😂
@@the98themperoroftheholybri33i think he just got his lore wrong by accident
@@audreyharris7643that accident kept happening in multiple interviews
This entire series was created and show run by Leslie, Harvey Weinstein's personal assistant who absolutely knew exactly what the hell he was doing when he was abusing women, headland, why is this so confusing to you that they're screwing up Star Wars and the Jedi? Of course it's intentional, and of course it's all backwards.
Is Leslie a lot like Harvey Weinstein or one of his victims?
@@samflood5631Both
Well she was His Secretary and Met a Lot of the victims Most likely arranging these Meetings with Harvey.
17:12 BRO CHILL I'M IN A PUBLIC RESTROOM.
HAHAHA
So basically they openly wield the force while claiming they don't wield the force so they can feel smugly superior . . . this sounds strangely familiar.
Its like they write influenced by their own experiences. Maybe thats why modern writing is so bad.
@@Njordin2010drawing from your own life experiences in writing isn't always bad, its just that in this case and many others those life experiences usually begin and end in la
Basically all other force groups
Yeah, it's as if they wield all the power, whilst claiming to actually be oppressed...
... sounds... strangely familiar. Hmmmm 🤔
“Help me! I’m so oppressed, but wait while I exert social pressures over everyone else around me by guilt tripping anyone who questions me! I’m soooo oppressed!”
Spice Cream?! Have they forgotten what spice is in SW?!
They're giving these kids illicit drugs.🤣
Forgotten? To forget something requires first knowing it.
Are they deathly allergic to having male characters? Are they allergic to quality storytelling, world building, character development.. This is awful!
The show having mostly female characters would be fine if everything else wasn't terrible
They want your white cis male tears as one actress joked about in an interview with Trevor Noah
Short answer: Yes.
Long answer: Hell yes.
Even in the galaxy far, far away, black children have no fathers...
They're allergic to critical thinking
The Jedi Temple was on Coruscant, which was the capital planet of the Galactic Republic. The Jedi had open communications with every planet in the Republic and every non-Republic planet associated with those planets. If a young child displayed obvious strength in the Force for their species, there were channels to request an envoy from the Jedi temple to observe and test the child.
The Jedi live through example, and only offer training, not demand it. If training is refused by the child, they accept that refusal, because the training cannot be effective if forced upon the child. If the training is refused by the parents, they also accept the parents’ wishes; to do otherwise would cause unnecessary distress in the child and disrupt their training. Also, if someone does go through training, but decides to leave the Jedi Order, they are allowed to do so.
The Jedi deem a child “too old” to receive training, because as you age, it becomes difficult to overcome pre-conceived notions and ideas about yourself, others, and the universe in general. Children are more malleable and open to new ideas. It is usually harder for more developed minds to fully open themselves to the Force and allow the Force to flow through them. The Jedi also understand the relationship between masters and padawans must be built on trust and mutual respect in order for the training to be effective.
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It seemed to me from Episode 1 that a big part of being "too old" is, the Jedi want to start training when children are young enough to forget all attachments they had before, even to their parents. You never hear Jedi talking about their parents, only their Jedi masters. Yoda's objection to Anakin was that he was too old (at age 9!), had attachments to his mother, and was afraid of losing her. That was the fear that leads to anger, hate and suffering -- and indeed, when Anakin failed to save his mother in Episode 2, his desire for revenge motivated his first evil act. The Jedi in the prequels talk a lot about how personal attachments are dangerous for a Jedi, and Palpatine is able to use Anakin's feelings for Padme and his desire for the power to save her, as a way of manipulating him.
One can question the rightness of separating extremely young children from their parents and raising them as monks with no personal attachments, but this was already lore about the Jedi long before The Acolyte.
I do wonder, though -- how much consent can a child really have, if a nine-year-old is too old?
Those Lesbian Space Witches aren't very strong if they all got killed by a small fire.
Yeah, couldn't they use the force to make the fire disappear? Vader did that in the Kenobi show. I'm used to Disney waving every middle finger and toe at the og films but aiming those dirty dogs towards their own bull??
This makes me think something else killed them and we don't know what it was. I don't think Torbin would kill himself because Mae started a fire. He was guilty about something else we don't know about yet.
If anything the Jedi are still clearly the good guys here despite all the show's attempts to paint them as "bad", they did nothing wrong.
They are like child protective services, they felt something was off about the way these children were being trained and they were right, what kind of sister tells her twin sister she will "end her" if she leaves, then proceeds to set her room on fire (the impossible physics of that is a whole different issue) but clearly one of the sisters was really messed up in the head before the Jedi arrived, the Jedi had every right to be suspicious and wanting to take them away.
Also the notion Jedi always just take children by force from their parents is not true, Star Wars Theory pointed out this strawman in his latest video, go give it a,watch, for example, in the prequels the Jedi council literally refused to accept in and train Anakin because he was too old, it was Qui-Gon Jinn dying wish that persuaded them to do it.
I went to watch him after. He made me laugh and his voice is great lol. However, I still need more. He only touched on it briefly but then other fans are saying this is not a new lore with the Jedi, them actin like this.
Watch them somehow make it out as the Jedi genocided the witches “for the greater good”, to make them the ultimate baddies
@@Alteori Using my incomplete knowledge of the extended lore, the Jedi do have the right to take any force sensitive, they just usually don't. They were given that power primarily in times of war since a trained force user is basically a WMD and the Republic didn't want their enemies getting hold of such a resource. In peace the Jedi only take the very young because they find longer training creates more controlled and balanced Jedi.
There actually have been Jedi led genocides (mostly known as the Sith Purge). It was started when the Jedi banned the use of Force Alchemy/Sorcery and the rebels in the organization joined with a dark side race on Korriban known as the Sith. (the Sith race actually had produced a number of Jedi) Force Alchemy was an extremely high level of dark force power that manipulated life itself and the Jedi (who at that time practiced a balance of light and dark, the light side only Jedi was an overcorrection on the Jedi after the wars) felt it was acting like god. Results include but are not limited to: the Rakh-gouhl plague - disease based mutated zombies (you literally slowly turn into a slavering monster with your mind being consumed by it over days or weeks) that had wiped out life on several planets, Darkwing Scourge - immortality tests that resulted in a hive mind zombie that slowly learned, Dathomiry witches enslaving the Rancor species and turning them into monsters, enslaving nearby villages for supplies and taking men for mates (who were killed afterwards) or assassins/bodyguards, created zombies, "voodoo" poisoned or controlled people, creating life - Anakin Skywalker, ect.
yeah, that may be like child protective services, but they themselves don't really know how to properly take care of children, especially with the whole dealing with emotions and attachments properly in a health way part
let's very much failing at that with a certain Skywalker 😅
@ZorusSerif They surely screwed up with Anakin pretty badly (first thing they should have done after returning to temple was going back and freeing his mom for example), but doesn't mean they don't know how to deal with children, they raised hundreds if not thousands of younglings just fine, including many of the famous Jedi we know like Kenobi and Qui Gon Jinn.
remember, domestic abuse is more common in lesbian relationships than any other pairing groups. so the weird vibes between the moms was likely written from a place of experience
but what do I know
That dynamic weirded me out. Like it could be written in a complex way on purpose. But if it’s supposed to be a positive representation, it’s pretty twisted
Lesliebian Headspace said this show was inspired from from hers and her sisters estranged relationship, and that this is a "therapy session" for her.
@@commandervile394 yes because Star Wars fans want you using there favorite franchises as a “therapy session” that’s the kind of stuff writers who bend the plot to there will rather then bending to the set up plot would say and it has shown
Are you implying that it’s ok for a gay married couple to abuse their kids?
@@samflood5631 🤡
Force-clam-slamming witches dance routineing babies into existence was not on my bingo card.
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CLAM SLAMMING? 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
😂😂😂😂😂
LOL I thought a clam slam was a female version of tea bagging. You win. 🙃
@@jonathanbowling3129that’s what I thought. And a clam jam is like a c**k block. 😂
You mean fur traders. 😂
“They’re only four Jedi, who would miss them?”
Oh, I dunno, maybe the Jedi Order who likely sent them off on this mission in the first place. With records showing who went and where they went, and for what purpose. The Jedi Order that would send another team to investigate the disappearance of at least one Master and a Master-Padawan team. The Jedi Order that has the support of the Republic and access to all those resources, ships, and what few combat troops they have, along with the forces the Jedi can muster. Let’s see your little coven deal with twenty experienced Jedi.
God that was such a stupid line. Right there on par with “Attack me, with all of your strength.”
This
Should be fine to watch this video in the living room.
(Alteori starts moaning)
Me: throws phone at wall.
the writers of this show admitted they went out of their way to make the jedai look bad, and a bunch of other disgusting stuff, i genuinly hope the writers of this show, lose their job after this show flops
Kathleen Kennedy still has her job after years of damaging the brand so I doubt it
She never will. This is Hollywood 2024 and has been like this KK took over lucasfilm
The Jedi weren't good though they did indeed kidnap children and sometimes destroyed other force religions and even genocides the old Sith homeworld. The real issue is that they act like the witches are good which is wrong.
Unfortunately this disaster probably got them better jobs. Also on a tangent the Jedi destroyed a Sith world. *Sith* world.
@@wingsoffreedom3589 the jedai were good though, they didnt kidnap children, and the siths are like the worst people to ever exist
Where is their father? They have no father... you mean those little black girls? Like dude who gave the okay for this? This just keeps getting worse when everyone says surely it can't get worse. They doubled and tripled down like holy shit.
It's supposed to ape / copy The Phantom Menace when Shmi says 'there is no father'. That's the reference.
Problem is, there's no buildup to Anakin, so it's hard to extrapolate because now there's twins. Which does make Anakin non-special, but it also introduces a conceptual alien into the Star Wars universe if The Thread is more special than The Force, and Anakin isn't the chosen one, he's the runner-up.
Anything the Sith patriarchy can do, the Jedi girl witches can do better 🎵(apologies to Annie get your gun)
I haven't even looked at this from the race angle, but that IS funny.
The Dark Side of the force (The Brother)
It's ridiculous how the Acolyte writes and portrays the Jedi as being kind, respectful, and non-violent, yet tries to make them seem like villains. The witches were the ones to make the first move, and the Jedi were _still_ willing to leave peacefully and without a fuss, but the fact that the witches kept trying to interfere (and the fact that they use the Dark Side) means that their deaths were well deserved.
_Because_ the witches are clearly Dark Side users, the Jedi would've been justified in simply taking the twins when they were out in the forest, but they didn't; the Jedi went to the effort of trying to establish a peaceful accord with the witches and allowing them to let the children go on their own terms, and they were even willing to leave the planet _without_ the children if they couldn't come to an agreement, so the Jedi were _completely_ in the right throughout the episode.
Also, to clear any confusion, the Jedi have the right to _test_ someone for their Force potential, but they don't actually _take_ them unless their parents give their consent. Not only that, but the Jedi themselves allow parents to decline the tests in the first place. The one thing that happens in this episode that I disagree with is Torbin not telling the child that he was going to take a blood sample, but even then that could be chalked up as a mistake on his part due to inexperience.
I agree
Yup. The Dark Side isn't just "Spicy Force Magic," it literally fucks with your mind. This situation is like CPS finding two kids in a cult of weirdos who commune with God through methamphetamine, liturgical dance, and lesbianism.
It's understandable that the coven would be defensive, knowing that the Jedi were spying on them, plus they don't necessarily have reason to trust the Jedi, so in their fear can't be sure that the Jedi wouldn't just take the children. The mother also fears that the children will want to become Jedi, and choose to leave voluntarily. As the old witch says, "If they pass the test, the girls will leave", and one of the twins says, "if we pass, they take us away and we'll never see our mother again". So whether the Jedi would automatically take them on passing the test or not, the witches believe that they would.
So far the story is simply doing a good job at showing how fear, distrust and misunderstanding between two competing ideologies can get out of control.
The Jedi say: "We are concerned that you are training children. Republic law states -" This implies that only the Jedi can train force sensitive children, suggesting that the Jedi would forcefully take the children as the only way of preventing their training outside the Jedi order, regardless of whether dark side force magic was being used or not. Why? From the coven's perspective this is clearly wrong, and why shouldn't it be? Why does the Jedi religion have the only right to mould force potential children to fit their particular belief system? You say that the coven is using dark side magic and you may be right - there are certainly allusions to it - but so far we've seen no conclusive narrative evidence of this. The Jedi way of training children isn't necessarily without its flaws either; prohibiting them from having any attachments, to the extent of denying them meaningful relationships with their own family, has been shown in future stories (timeline wise) to be one of the causes of their downfall, and one of Anakin's main reasons for turning to the dark side.
The point is, it's not as clear cut as "the Jedi are entirely good and justified, and the witches are entirely bad and wrong."
@@voiceinthenoise3357 Dude. They are Dark Side force adepts. Do you know what the Dark Side does to the mind and body? You might as well be signing off on leaving kids with meth addicts that'll start stripping the copper from their walls to make fucked up energy whips. They clearly didn't go into hiding very long ago, so they might not have had time to start their really sick shit up yet.
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The fact that the Jedi came forward and asked in the first place already means that they have been deemed by a Master as a non-threat. These witches are Force users, and a group this large out and about normally doesn't go very well with the Order. But they were given reprieve and were allowed to stay as they are.
If the Coven had been deemed as a threat being a large group of Force users, they'd have called back to the Council and have them purged to the last.
"idk if they can consent"
Leslie; writing what she knows.
18:00 - 🤣🤣🤣. Stop! You're killing me! 🤣🤣🤣
How it is in actual canon Jedi seek out force sensitive children and ask their parents for permission to take the children to the temple to join the order. These children are usually 3-5, because the Jedi don't believe in attachments so they normally take the children before they get too old. In the case with Anakin he was too old and already attached to his mother so the Jedi council originally didn't want to take him in. It was only after Quin Gon died that the council finally decided to take him in, to respect his wishes.
What's happening with Osha and Mae, wouldn't normally happen at all, the writers specifically did it like this to paint the Jedi as the bad guys and the witches as the good guys despite the fact they clearly worship the dark side. So yeah the Jedi aren't actually saints, and there have been extreme cases where they take children by force, but only when absolutely necessary.
So no, the Jedi aren't like this normally, the writers just wanted to paint them as the bad guys.
Force created children by dark side witches might be one of those special cases you mentioned.
@@justinhammer3196 They don't know they were created though, otherwise they would've taken them by force not try to manipulate the children over to them.
Same as in "Barbie" and "The Woman King" the witches are themselves far worse than the script is attempting to portray. They are basically "Space Dahomey"
What was wrong with the Woman King?
@samflood5631 the dahomey were bad guys
What was wrong with Barbie?
@@marksalmoneussorcerersupremethey kept saying how bad the patriarchy is when all of the Kens wanted equality.
@@marksalmoneussorcerersupreme They Barbie's rigged the election at the end to reinforce the oppressive status quo when the the Ken's wanted was equal representation.
Despite what most people think, the Jedi don't force people to give up their children they may remove them from abusive families; but majority they get the consent from the parents or the parents willing give them up to the order. the Acolyte is trying to paint the Jedi as villains because the writers have narrative they want to follow and they want it to supercede canon. The witches are supposed to be exiled and are not supposed to have children, since the mothers are hiding the fact that the twins were conceived by the use of the force, the Jedi looking into the matter to see if one of them may be thr chosen one, hence why they are so interested in osha.
Yeah they do. The whole reason why Darman and Etain's child was hidden during the events of Republic Commando besides keeping their relationship a secret was to keep the Jedi from taking him away.
@@Drums_of_Liberation the Jedi don't allow majority of their members to have children or a family, yeah there are exceptions but they're usually due to a near extinction of a species, if a member of the Jedi are having kids then of course the order is going to remove the child if the Jedi is still part of their ranks.
@@Drums_of_Liberation🧢
How would those witches grow as a society then? They would just die after a few years since none of them can reproduce with each other... It's obvious that they are ALL having force babys with each other.
Nah doctors often distract kids from needles so they dont stress out and jerk away and get hurt. So turning a traumatizing moment to a ouchy is much better.
17:12 Then something just snapped, something inside of me. I didn’t care anymore, I didn’t care about beating Kakarot, I didn’t care about being a super saiyan!
Even in the galaxy far far away, black children have no fathers...
Oof 💀
Ouuuch, that burns^^"
Lilly Gaddis did nothing wrong
Leslye Headland's fan fiction hits Hard R.
Damn man! lol. It shouldn’t be but that’s funny.
The weird pony tail thing is a symbolic thing to show that they are a Padawan meaning that they are in training it is removed when they become a knight and later they become a master.
For races without hair they make a string of beads on their head to symbolize it.
So in six years that guy becomes a master which is impressive and then stays in the force field for ten years
My best guess it's a terrible misunderstanding (if not out right hate for star wars) of the witches from the clone wars show. Witches were misandrist and treated males like shit, females and males lived in their own villages and they only met to make babies. They all call each other brothers and sisters like a cult or a close community. And the boss/strongest witch is called Mother. Not ''mama''. Isn't it racist?
Also, those were witches of Dathomir but now there are witches everywhere! Add it to the purple lightsaber and Jedi that somehow survived the purge. Obi Wan was presumed dead, that's why they weren't looking for him. At least fake your death!
It’s Filoni, WDW pro made a great point about how much more prevalent the witches are in Star Wars media are now, even in the Jedi Fallen Order game. It’s all part of the plan, they even made an entire new universe JUST to give the witches a backstory in Ahsoka
@@Scruffynerfherder10I thought they were good in the game
@audreyharris7643 yeah for the most part it was just Merrin reanimating dead brothers and sisters and I thought that was dope
@@audreyharris7643they are, I didn’t mean they were meant to be “bad”, they aren’t meant to be in this show either, but lucasfilm wants them to be more active than before and defo the replacement for the Jedi as the “good guys”
@@Scruffynerfherder10alright then
17:12
Thank God, I was home alone while watching this video because I have no clue what was going on here 😂. I guess this is the kind of stuff Disney Star Wars will do to your brain.
17:12 *_Bro I just had this playing on blast while making dinner_*
"I think you'll make a very good Jedi, Osha" Ah excuse me?? Isn't she too old!? Wasn't that the issue with Anakin??? Tell me you don't follow Star Wars lore when writing the show without telling me.
We once let an old child become a jedi... Then she and her sister who grew up to be sibling lesbian lovers who murdered men and kidnapped women to create their cult happened.
So we all agreed to make an age limit on children to recruit.
I wouldn't take the side of the actual cannon on this... Justifying kidnapping toddlers to strip them of any capacity to bond with another person so they can be an emotionless soldier is an extremely bad look no matter how you frame it. Maybe, just maybe, that lore needs to die off.
I mean that method of training works so well in Africa right?
@@elyrienvalkyr8167 since leaving a ticking time bomb in a child for the rest of its life is a positive thing right you saw how May murdered her whole clan becose she got really mad once and did not know how to control the force
@@elyrienvalkyr8167 The Jedi aren't taught to be _emotionless,_ but that they need to be at _peace._ The whole "no attachments" rule is something that a Jedi is _supposed_ to follow, but it's not really _enforced_ by anyone; what really matters is the ability to accept loss as a natural part of life, and not let attachments control you.
Jedi are taken, with their parents' consent, at a young age so they can learn how to use their gifts for the betterment of society, and their young age means they're less susceptible to corruption. I'd also like to remind you that the Dark Side is, without question, an objectively dangerous, corruptive, and addictive force; once it's been used, no matter how well intentioned its use was, the temptation to use it again will always remain.
On the other side, the Jedi are objectively _good,_ and that's something that _cannot_ be debated.
@@elyrienvalkyr8167do you even like star wars ? The Jedi do not kidnap children lol you are projecting your personal ideas into this story. Also the Jedi are not emotionless they are just not ruled by thier emotions. Unlike the sith who are ruled by thier emotion.
This shit they did with the kids really, really makes me appreciate what Rowling did with Harry Potter and Hogwarts where kids got a proper education from witches. This place just pushes kids around with fake wind
Fake wind? It's the force
@@audreyharris7643 no its bootleg force called the "thread"
Pretty sure this is the future that would have been made if Voldy won.
@@audreyharris7643No it's the Thread
Suddenly the Empires Galactic genocide doesnt seem so bad.
Im serious, maybe Palpatine had the right idea.
😂
You know what....😂😂😂
It wasn’t even Palpatine as much as the rest of the galaxy had it up to here with Jedi after a thousand generations.
Rebels - You are evil and should have never been given power!
Palps - Lesbian Space Witches no longer exist under my rule. No more fake Jedi either.
Newly recruited Storm Troopers - You head the man! Long live the Empire!
The original motivations (pre Disney) Palpatine had for creating the Empire was...
1. Destroy the Jedi and bring the force under the sole control of the Dark Side, which is full of Force Users that love slavery, racism and power
2. Because he felt the presence of a Empire full of Sith stronger than Himself in Unknown Space waiting to invade "known space" and needed the "entire galaxy" united under a Fascistic rule with an army large enough to fight the Sith Empire and bring it under his control.
@Alteori the REASON why the Jedi was giving off SA/PDF Vibes, is because the Acolyte Creator is Leslie Headland. She was the PERSONAL ASSISTANT to *Harvey Weinstein* and was never punished for (allegedly) Feeding him his Victims. So of course Leslie would be someone who knows how to groom…😖
That padawan is lookin a lot like he is expecting his now undead brother Joffrey to be hiding amongst those witches 😂
Hearing you talk about how predatory this language is, makes it so much more creepy to know that this show was written and directed by Harvey W's former assistant. Just wow!
Write what you know.
Jesus Christ that's even worse.
Was she one of Harvey Wienstein’s victims or did she do very similar things that Harvey had done?
@@samflood5631 "alleged" accomplice.
@@samflood5631 Only one who claimed she had no idea what was going on the entire time, far as I know at least.
"This is how Star Wars dies... With Thunderous Scissoring"
😅🤙
😂😂😂😂😂😊
At last the lesbians in South Park are way better than the ones in Acolyte.
Palpatine was right, his only mistake was sparing his enemies.
And you can’t even switch sides with Palpatine anymore because Rey Palpatine ended the Skywalker bloodline.
Disney - Jedi are evil!
The Sith- Am I a joke to you?
I swear to god, you make me laugh so hard when you make fun of something stupid, you're laughter is awesome and infectious. Keep it up! This is one of my favorite channels.
My best friend irl is lesbian, she HATES when movies and shows do shit like this because it's so forced (no pun intended)
I wish I had a lesbian friend to cover my opinions. I do have a black friend. For real.
Always great for a group, to see forced characters, that are associated with bad stories and also some sort of hollow characters. Great, i learn with those movies and series, that all lesbians seem to be like that, since they most often are depicted that way. Good job, i´d say.
... of course every lesbian - that doesn´t primarily identifies herself nearly excluesively with her sexuality and isn´t stuck in the tribalism game - would intuitively dislike or even hate that.
The Force is "the thread" now. Like those things attached to tampons. lol
I’m mixed race and technically autistic, have the same opinions on about everything regarding those two things
They tried to thread it into the "story" - no one wants to be forced like this.
I don't know if anyone told you, but that's so-called. Rat Tail is actually a symbol stating that he is a patawan. You only remove that after you pass your jedi Knight trials.
That's why I don't go into the woods, damn jedi hiding in the trees like drop bears.
💀💀💀💀💀💀😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 drop bears!!? OMG that made me laugh way harder than it should've
Considering there is now a Jedi Padawan that looks like a Blue Koala, that assessment isn't far off...
This brought song from The Cog is Dead to my min, what is called Never Go Into The Woods
man they stalk like ewoks
A show on the Great Space Emu War would be epic.
To answer your question, Jedi were always perceived as good and a parangon of justice in the Star Wars Universe. Rarely you would see a jedi falling into the dark side.
Also when looking for new apprentices, they would actually ask the family and the child if they want to become a jedi. If they said no, the jedi would just keep an eye on the kid to protect him/her from the Sith.
I love how they give the little girls spice creams. Spice is a narcotic in the Star Wars universe you absolute rejects of reason.
Its heroin
Fatherless black kids… in a galaxy far, far away. Totally thinking outside the box Disney 👍🏼
Like giving those kids dreadlocks, that’s never been done before.
Making it to where the force can just now impregnate any women makes the entire point of Anakin pointless.
Nah, not really.
@@shraniken My opinion and your opinion. I respectfully accept yours even if I don't agree. That said if you're willing to talk why in your opinion does this retcon about the force not invalidate the main 6 films and Anakin as a character?
The entire sequel trilogy already made him pointless
@@javierlopez9789 In that we are agreed. And in my opinion the same with the fall of The Empire, The death of The Emperor and with him the last of the true Sith, the force rebalanced, The Jedi coming back, and the formation of a functioning strong and reliable Government that doesn't repeat the woes of The Republic or The Empire all made pointless.
To me the sequel Trilogy isn't canon. The Expanded now non Canon universe always will be. Not this new Disney Era Canon the exceptions being Rogue One and The Clone Wars/Bad Batch as those Disney wasn't fully involved and it shows with the quality and understanding of what Star Wars is by the writers and directors.
Take my thumbs up haha.
@@Nekavandre AFAIK, the force wasn't manipulated to create Anakin. He was, from my understanding, some kind of force Jesus. Which is 1000% more lame than what happened here.
Honestly I find it really stupid how it feels like the writers have no idea how anything works. Cause clearly they don’t understand Star Wars and clearly they have absolutely no idea how Fire works cause just like in the first episode. Fire just defies logic and burns when it shouldn’t.
There's a very easy lesson the star wars movies taught us both in the original trilogy and again in the prequels. Love leads to fear, fear leads to grief, grief leads to hatred, and hatred leads to the dark side. The Jedi absolutely do not like taking on new students have have strong attachments to someone, the Jedi council absolutely REFUSED to take on Anakin even though it was Qui Gon's dying wish, it was only until Obi Wan threatened to defect if he was not allowed to teach Anakin that they relented. The Jedi would ABSOLUTELY not go to a random ass planet of witches and try to kidnap one of two twin girls that had their parents still in their lives., they would probably not take on those two twins as Jedi even if the witches BEGGED the Jedi to do so because of the huge fucking risk they would to becoming Sith.
So, you fell asleep during the best Star Wars movie EVER MADE, and yet you stayed awake during the ACOLYTE. WHAT"S WRONG WITH YOU!
Real life might be a complicated gray mess, but Star Wars has always been pretty black and white about good versus evil, one being the Jedi and the other being the Sith. This just seems like a deliberate attempt to, once again, rewrite the Mythos in order to further tarnish what's left of Lucas's original vision.
Indeed! If they wanted gray areas, just show mandalorian’s fighting against each other
Mother: "Osha is a child."
Witch: "She is old enough to know what she wants."
Mother: "I did not bring the girls into this world so we can lose them to a bunch of deranged monks."
Witch: "It is not your decision, it is mine. And I made it."
Mother: "I carried them."
Witch: "I created them."
Mother: "And what happens, if the Jedi discover HOW you created them?"
*****
It's official: the witches prayed to the Brother (the Dark Side) in order to create the supposed twins.
But the real question is, when she created her, was it in fact...
an OSHA violation? 😎
Get some of that dark side D.
Ugh...-1
@@themurmeli88
@@themurmeli88ba dum tuss
@@orrorsaness5942 I. . . don't get it.
HellavuBabyFace had a really good observation in this episode showing how evil the witches were and that Jedi were right (so far) and heroes (as of episode 3).
Oh I gotta watch his video 😂😂😂😂😂😂 He always has the funniest reactions when he gets mad
@@Alteori he has two as of now about this episode. But wow did he put it correctly at how bad the witches (and Mae) were acting as well as it making sense that Jedi would come because can you imagine a galaxy with force sensitive people (some of whom are extremely powerful) who have zero training and would cause absolute chaos in the galaxy? It’s good stuff 👍
Oh and this is also a great channel keep up the great work!
You’re laughing is so precious!😂🤣😅
What?
Alteori... let's be real here. I mistakenly thought you were laughing when the background witch was laughing during the ascension. XD
💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀 it does sound like me. I still want what she's having 😂
So, one of the themes of the precuels is that the Jedi order has become complacent and entangled in politics, they look like hipocrits which allows the villain to twist the Republic's institutions (also eroded) against them and form the totalitarian empire.
Different authors treat the potential evil inside Jedis in different ways, but through trials and stories, in the end a Jedi is a knight of justice, sometimes of creed or personal.
they've also forgotten about some of their past beliefs & teachings like how to properly deal with emotions and attachments in a healthy way, and that emotions and attachments aren't necessarily all bad and can be beneficial
and also a lot of Jedi, in addition, became the very arrogant
@@ZorusAgartha "they've also forgotten about some of their past beliefs & teachings like how to properly deal with emotions and attachments in a healthy way, and that emotions and attachments aren't necessarily all bad and can be beneficial"
Untrue. Forget what you thought you learned from the expanded universe and watch the movies again. Jedi have bonds and loves, and grow stronger through those bonds. That's a thing that happens in the original six films. Lucas himself, makes an out-of-setting statement about that very thing, saying Jedi are against _unhealthy_ forms of attachment.
"and also a lot of Jedi, in addition, became the very arrogant"
Wrong. Yoda specifically talked about this, and he said "some," and that at the time of Episode 2, that was a flaw that was growing more common. That was growing more common though, because of something people tend to forget about because, I swear, nobody ever watches the movies, the ability of the Jedi to use the Force was diminishing, and it was diminishing because Palpatine had tipped the balance of the Force all the way into dark.
It was established that dark plague is the Dark Sith Lord was the only one that was able to create a life with the force using it in a dark way. When the dark plagues did something that was so dark to the force, the force had to rebalance itself, so it created anakin.
And who did Darth Plagueis create?
Honestly I really took what happened in the show is going to some how lead to plagious(definitely butchered that name) discovering the ability to create life
@Halfort57 He never created a person, but he created like plant life and other life where there was none by using the dark side.
Hollywood studio produces a show with characters that talk and make arguments like predators.
Shocking, truly.
IKR 😅
Just watch The Pensuke Files, much better
Every single gripe that you had over this episode makes me feel like you're taking the words right out of my mouth. As for how the Jedi were written, her whole plan was to flip what everyone knew about Star Wars on its head. So, I think she's fully intending on writing the Jedi as shady. The rock could have something in it like sulfur, which is combustible. However, this episode had me smacking my forehead.
28:13 Correct, the word "Padawan" is the word for "apprentice." Meaning someone who is still new and in training, that rat tail hair is also an indicator for this status.
Ah. The guy should never have brought him there then in the presence of which is that are super powerful and super aggressive. I mean maybe that's how they train them but damn
@@Alteori You are correct, for someone who is not in the STAR WARS fandom you pretty much came to the right conclusions most of the time. And yes the JEDI in this series were STUPID!
Like when Osha was falling and the Asian jedi caught her hand why didn't he just use the Force to stop her from falling? Like he did *IN THE PREVIOUS EPISODE???* It is so damn inconsistent...
I can’t stop. This episode hurt so much. I’m now totally all for the Empire blowing up the galaxy. Please as long as this pain goes away. Hail the Emperor who wipes the slate clean!
Bring on the Burning Legion and 6crystals that can shred this universe.
@@chrisf2636 for the Horde!
Are both the Phoenix Force and Gun Devil powerful enough to destroy the planet of the Witches?
It took Disney ten years to burn down this IP. TEN years. Good job.
Whatever series or movie they plan after this will only meet utter hatred, or pure apathy.
And it is all of their own making.
GOOD JOB!
Thank you for sacrificing your time to watch Disney Presents SW.
I'm just taking this series as one of the whacky stories, not cannon
Exactly
4:06 in the SW universe spice is an addictive narcotic. which explains why mae wants to stay so badly...the spice cream
16:57 - they are hi on spice cream
The jedi are meant to seek out very young, younger than them, force-sensitive children and take them if the parents are willing. They, like Anakin, should be considered too old because they have too many attachments.
I've never been an expert on the lore, but Jedi training starts when children are younger than 4 if i remember correctly and they indeed looked for force sensitive kids...but they NEVER took them by force or creepy subterfuge and it was always a choice of the family to give them up to the order. It might feel weird but you gotta understand that in the "old canon" force sensitive people were extremely rare and most of the time the family made that choice because the order would have provided a better life and safety to the kid. They had to be young because children can more easily open their mind to the force and because the jedi tought that emotional attachments to the family could lead to the dark side because of the fear of loss (as Yoda says "Fear is the path to the dark side... fear leads to anger, anger leads to hate, hate leads to suffering"), this was one of the rules that got changed when Luke rebuilt the order (in the old canon at least). The way this show portrays the jedi is so creepy and stupid.
Some of those kids weren't willingly given up though. One of the main reasons Palpatine in the EU was never discovered by the Jedi was that his parents had hidden him away so the Jedi wouldn't take him
@@Drums_of_Liberation where's this story from? Again, i know very little about the "Legends" lore but i can't seem to find anything about this. Wikies just say that Palpie was basically always an ass and was interested in sith lore and artifacts since his early years
Very simply put not taking and training force sensitive children when they are young leaves them vulnerable to the dark side and endangers them and their families and community. So the Jedi train them to handle their gifts so they don’t go all psycho and burn down the whole town and murder people but yeah sure they’re the bad guys.
**this is Harvey W personal assistants project- Leslie created, wrote, and directed so if it’s giving you creepy predator vibes 🤔 also Jedi are originally the good side of the force (they are flawed but good) but Disney Star Wars has tried to blur the lines between good and evil so of course they have to destroy the Jedi and make them like evil creepers
Well see that makes sense but then the witches make it seem as though the Jedi are being monopolistic with their power. The witches have learned to control their power so in their perspective, why can't the witches train the children?
@Alteori Perhaps if the witches had conveyed that and not been all shady and attacked they could’ve discussed 🤷♀️ however the fact that just one of the little girls was able to defend against the mother, when two full grown women couldn’t showed that the girls powers were far beyond them
@@Alteori The difference between these witches and the Jedi, is that these witches teach their students to use the dark side. That's incredibly dangerous for the whole galaxy at large. Per Darth Vader, "the ability to destroy a planet is insignificant compared to the power of the Force," and it's true. Leaving darksiders alone is like letting a ticking nuclear timebomb just do its thing.
"When I was little, I wanted to a cat."
And now you're a fox. So, close enough I guess.
'Everything must always fall in her hands, she must always maintain control when it suits her, nobody takes this person seriously because she says one thing and the directly contradicts herself'
Alteori, you just described Kathleen Kennedy AND RTD with that one sentence!
17:45 They finally broke Alteori
11:45
“Your enemies will not warn you before they attack”
*Immediately proceeds to warn them about her attack*
If this was written by Lucas, the Jedi would've seen the Zabrak mother (the one with horns) and instantly realise she was a force user attuned to the dark side of the force, that's what the black markings signifies in the Zabrak race. They would then ask to test the children, with no manipulation. Plus under Lucas Jedi would only take the child if the parents or guardians agreed.
*edit* Also the lack of horns on both twins and the lack of Black Markings on Mae (both as a child, where shes clearly on the path to being "evil", and as an adult where she's a Sith Acolyte) leads me to believe that even though the Zabrak carried them they don't have any of her DNA.
Black markings on a Zabrak don't mean they are evil, the tattoos signify their heritage and where they come from. There are Sith tattoos and similar used by dark side users, which are what Maul and the male Zabraks on Dathamir wore.
Coral was basically used as a surrogate, or a vessel, which is kind of sad.
Alteori moaning was not what i had on my bingo card.
Happens like every vid and I'd get drunk if I took a shot every time it happend in one lolz
It's very sus that Leslye Headland, the main writer/director of this show, knows exactly how child predators work. Right down to what words they use and how they use them.
She probably had a good teacher... and a casting couch 🤨