Please don't shorten the Peta Pixel Podcast since it is actually one of the most entertaining while informative photography-centred podcasts! Please continue just like this. Besides the talking points regarding the R5 Mark II and the R1 I personally really liked that you just shared your impressions about the Canon USA shooting event. It seems like Canon has to do some homework regarding this as well, because this sounds like a very uncomfortable (for the participants) and inappropriate event for such important products in Canons line-up.
I also second this. Please make these pods as long as you want. I tune in to hear you fellas talk about photography and photography gear. If that lasts longer than someone’s road commute than so be it. Give me the content!! 🔥📷
I sometimes forget that you guys have an insane amount of camera knowledge. This discussion was crazy technical, but I’m here for it any day of the week
I think at the end of the day, cameras in general have gotten so good it's almost pointless to make/buy flagships anymore, other than a few niche features that professionals need.
@@wtfnahmean It depends on what you define as "good". Is the R1 "good"? Oh yes it absolutely is, but there are a lot of bird and wildlife shooters who are waiting for a high-res pro body from Canon, like Z9. Those aren't gonna be satisfied just because the R1 is "good". At least Canon should have made an R1X with the R5ii sensor as a high-res option.
I think it is a flagship for Canon in the sense that it's a 1D series camera, but mirrorless - however, that's not enough anymore to compete favourably with what Nikon and Sony are up to. Over the last 5-7 years, what people expect from a top end camera has really changed. I think Nikon started this with the D850, which wasn't technically their flagship, but nonetheless was revolutionary at the time for combining high res, high dr, good noise performance, fantastic af and fast shooting speeds in one body. Before that it was always the case that you'd have to decide to buy either a fast camera, or one aimed at the best image quality. D5/1D/a9 or D810/5D/a7r , basically. Then Sony later applied that same concept to mirrorless with the a1, except even more "and the kitchen sink" style. Nikon follows that market segmentation by throwing everything into the Z9, and then making essentially the same tech available cheaper with the Z8. For Canon - it really seems like they're trying to go back to the DSLR market segments, which is somewhat ok for the R5 II (assuming the price is going to come down; by the way, in that particular segment Sony is kinda more old school with the much more specialized a7r V) but the R1 really looks like a difficult sell compared to the z9, a1 and, I think, particularly the a9 III. It's a highly specialised sports and action camera (the R1 is), and within that niche a cheaper camera with a global shutter and 4x the burst rate and arguably better autofocus already exists. That's very bad news for Canon, I feel.
@@fotografalexandernikolishere's hoping for a pro body r7mk2 with battery grip and better buffer/ DR and qewther sealing for us wildlife shooters. Hopefully will be a true 7dmk2 replacement. The r7 is great but it falls short.
Both R3/R1 are well outside my price range, but they seem so similar in offered features/target audience that I’m not sure what the differentiator is supposed to be.
Photographing young athletes in poorly lit gyms is something many of us will use these cameras for. Some of the places you go to test cameras with beautiful people, extravagant professionally set-up light and stunning backdrops do not embrace the reality some of us face.
I have a complaint! This podcast, and all of them before it, needs to be longer! I want a minimum of three hours to listen to your ramblings and amazing insights! Thank you in advance.
This. Canon is no longer pushing innovation. I chose the Sony ecosystem 6 years ago and at the time there was perceived risk with that… I haven’t felt that way since. This latest Canon announcement further solidified why I am happy with my choice. I shoot an a1 and rv combo and it works beautifully.
Non consistent AF though… but Nikon is almost there. I was a critic for years but they have def come a long way and I’m patiently waiting to see how they transform after their acquisition of Red Camera.
after some time watching reviews: If the dynamic range is better then than a9 III. That is an important thing. The frame rate is enough for real world use. But with the fast shutter speeds, low noise is a thing that really makes a difference. The second thing is the action focused auto focus that follows large balls. Jaren pointed out this. That makes also a difference. Now one else does this. I don't think the camera will be unsuccessful because it can not shoot 120 fps.
What makes sense to me with the lack of CFExpress 4.0 support is likely down to a combination of four things: Heat, power consumption, camera processing/cost limitations and (imo the most pivotal one) write error risk. Heat can be mitigated with better cooling or with thermal throttling, power is something you're eating as the additional write speed by the controller is going to eat it no matter what (this point ties to hardware constrains also, think why we don't see more than gigabit in cameras is the cost of those controllers is prohibitively expensive considering the client side restrictions likely only being gigabit). That brings us to write errors. Faster writes need a smaller signal diamond on those contacts due to the higher frequencies used. Which is something you can eat in a desktop/server/laptop which are assumed to be in more controlled environments as far as EMI is concerned. But a camera body is a different story, it's far safer to go with the slower standard for data integrity reasons than risk the faster standard ruining the image in situ. (remember, while the spec may account for it, no battle plan survives contact with the enemy)
I'm not going to say Gen 4 is a solution looking for a problem (I have a couple of Gen 4 cards) BUT unless cameras increase resolution or go really crazy with the frame rates they aren't needed in camera. Gen 4 cards can write at over 2000 MB/s. If the camera is only shooting 24MP why do you need Gen 4 in camera?
@@bernadettetreual faster data rate= smaller signal diamond (you'll want to look that up, LTT has a video regarding an hdmi cable checker for that) smaller signal diamond less room for error. That's the simple version without going into technical details that are, frankly, beyond a comment and my expertise to explain.
@@AnotherOtherMan-alive That's true, but there's ways to mitigate the smaller SNR/higher BER. Otherwise, we couldn't reliably communicate via multi-gigabit ethernet, 5G and so on either.
@@bernadettetreual sheilding is your answer in most cases, in others (like in radio transmission) it's using the older 22nm node due to the EMI resistance benefits. and those things add cost and/or physical size.
I absolutely LOVE you humans for this work and channel. It is very interesting that at this point all the cameras are so very good… like legit, it comes being excited about burst modes and how it handles LED strobing. lol.
That was a great conversation and yeah by the end it really expresses how a lot of Canon customers feel. Whoever's running cannons camera division really needs to get fired will be pushed out. Their strategy of where the best so we're going to lock everybody in and then we're obviously struggling with sensors even though I swear the R5 sensor is probably the best one they've ever made.. it's just bizarre times for that company. Most are five users are not going to upgrade to the r52 because the R5 was already so good. The R5 is the miracle that basically saved cannon in my opinion, because without it what do you really have... The r3is awesome but it is for us very specific set of users. Canon is just a weird weird company.
This is the third UA-cam review I've watched that refers to the R1 as an R3 Mark II. And it seems obvious that the in-camera upscaling is a tacit admission that the sensor resolution is not high enough.
Canon's solution to hot shoe cover is "using a sledge hammer to kill a fly" complicated.Pentax film camera straps had 2 tiny snap-button pockets for securely storing the hot shoe cover and the eyecup blinder.
I am new to photography, but I am learning. Genuine question: One thing I don't understand, is why canon is being bashed for the R5II. Everybody are complaining about sensor readout speeds, which is twice as much than the Nikon Z8 (6.3ms vs 3.7ms), but nobody complains about the Sony A7RV with 99.3ms! How's that?
The A7Rv is not the correct comparison as it is optimized for image quality, not speed. Sony's high-end all-rounder camera would be the a1. That camera has a 5second readout speed.
I shot Canon for 14 year and when it came time to switch to mirrorless I didn't go with Canon. Being a Canon shooter is immensely frustrating in certain ways, and it's been that way for a long time.
Why would they do that? The z63 is a r62 competitor, literally two levels down Some of you guys make the weirdest unreasonable requests it's just so weird.
I'm glad you all survived the Phoenix heat and sorry Canon put you in that position. If you choose to skip future Canon launch events, I'm sure we'll all understand. Thank you for making all the content that you did given the circumstances, and for remaining positive and objective through it all. And, FWIW, I'm very unimpressed by both cameras.
Bizarre that you guys probably spent more time flying down to beyond-sweltering Phoenix than the time you actually had with the obviously not-quite-ready-yet R1 and R5ii. Despite the long, long anticipated launch, the whole thing, crazy launch event and all, seems unthinkingly rushed. 🤔
Canon did the best they could do with their current sensor technology, but they are not a sensor technology leader. Thats why they will never lead the pack.
Not having a GS is a real drawback for flash photography and banding. And there is still 2ms that the processor has to wait for the readout to be pocessed and the picture you see is always delayed at at least 2ms.
The R1 is so "not-quite-ready-yet" that it's several years away. They took an R3II and labeled it the R1, because they had made the mistake of insisting that the R3 is "not a flagship".
1:24:40 It's hard to sit here and say that it's worth switching systems at all anymore. I switched from Sony to Canon when Canon released the R6 MarkII, and I'm happy with my decision mostly for the excellent RF lenses and seamless adaptability of the EF lenses. But right now each of the big 3 camera brands are so close with their bodies and lenses that it's not really worth switching unless you need something like a global shutter sensor of the A9iii, or need specific lenses that another manufacturer has that yours doesn't like Canon's 28-70 f/2. Technology is plateauing when it comes to camera bodies. My R6 MarkII does 70-80% of what the flagship R1 is doing, and I think about when I first got into photography with my 6D MarkII comparing that to the 1DX MarkII or III was like comparing a honda to a ferarri, it did maybe 25% of what the flagship did. Now my 6 series is competing well with the 1 series body. Wack.
According to SAR Sony will announce their version of 28-70 f/2.0 still this year. ...But better : 24-70 f/2.0 😅 So one more argument for Sony ecosystem, despite I fully agree that today modern FF cameras from big players are soo good and so similar to each other that you have to had very specific reason to choose one after other.
@@youmysterious I've heard that as well. I've also heard Canon is reportedly working on a second version of the 28-70 2.0 which is crazy considering they still don't have basic lenses like the 24mm, 50 or 85mm 1.4s, or any telephoto primes aside from the monstrously expensive 400 2.8 and 600 f/4s. I also think Sony's version of the 2.0 zoom will be very good, but have a more clinical look compared to Canon's versions. I'm a fan of Canons L series lenses because typically they look more interesting than the competitors, and it's nice to see images with character rather than perfect clinical sharpness, flatter images that are perfectly corrected all the time. Sigma is a good example of this, their lenses are great, but can lack character, unique flaring or microcontrast
@@jordanmitchell1433 The question really is do you “need” a global shutter or “need” a 28-70 f2. The plateauing of tech is undoubtedly true, with the exception of price. The Canon R1 is a staggering £7k (body only) in the UK with, as yet, no third party glass options (supposedly coming). Nikon’s flagship Z9 is £5k (body only). The Z6iii is just £2,700k (body only), so you could almost but a Z9 and a Z6iii for the same price as an R1. Seriously, who’s gonna jump to Canon???
@@borassictime918 But it's important to define "Need". I do real estate video and wedding photography. I need a wide angle, do I need the 15-35 2.8? No, but the 2.8 aperture is better than the f/4 of the 14-45 f/4L which drew me to it. Do I need the 50 1.2 for weddings? Absolutely not, many photographers get their wedding work done with a 50 1.8 and so did I at a time. I don't think either of these cameras are making anyone jump systems. If you're invested in any of the big 3, the only reason to switch would be lens preferences. Perhaps with this release many people have decided to go back to Sony or Nikon for Sigma and Tamron lenses. Canon's flagship is a bit disappointing and they still aren't allowing third party lenses for it.
Don't believe the Z8 can even touch the in camera upscaling functions. For me that upscaling to 180mp is an extra $4000 savings from and GFX100II medium format. And the in camera NR processing. Those two options alone are game changers for me. The Nikon Z8 doesn't even come close to those two offerings alone.
@@DreamReleasesYou have to be joking right? An upsizing feature that only stretches the pixel dimensions but doesn't actually add any detail (unlike an AI computer app like Topaz) is supposed to be a meaningful advantage over Z8? Jesus the way Canon fans are grasping for air and moving goalposts at this point. If R5ii has any advantage over Z8, it's the lighter weight and the EVF, and maybe a tad better AF. Those are good points actually. But soon we'll see a Z8mk2 that will probably leap even further.
@@DreamReleasesbruh, it's AI, it's not real resolution. Topaz / DxO PureRAW will also most likely deliver significantly better results than whatever the camera is doing on its tiny chip.
@@fotografalexandernikolis facts. I have been saying this and will continue to say this. Canon is like the Apple of camera companies. Always behind yet people won’t choose other options because they’re locked in the ecosystem (RF-mount)
Will the new battery in the R5 also give the R5 II the same power output to the RF 400 2.8 like the R3 has? The R3 focuses faster with long tele lenses due to more power output.
If I am not mistaken, when a RAW is read by a camera, the camera is actually displaying a JPG that's embedded in the RAW file. So if you take the RAW file out of the camera and then put it back in (even with the sidecar file) the camera preview is still going to show you the original embedded JPG. That's why I believe you don't see the changes made to the file. Now, even if the camera is reading the RAW image, it's probably not set up to also apply the changes that are in the sidecar file. That file is likely entirely ignored simply because it's not usual to have a sidecar file to read and apply, so the camera isn't programmed to do so!
Canon R1 way to expensive in my country, price in the Netherlands is 7500,-- euro. Nikon Z8 4099,-- euro. so the choice is simple or buy a R5Mark II which 4200,-- euro in the Netherlands.
In my view, this release is sort of an exclamation point on a bad multi-year run from Canon. These cameras aren’t necessarily *bad*, but after being arguably the industry leader in the DSLR era, Canon has made mistake after mistake with their mirrorless line, and I think some people thought this release would get them back on top, but it really hasn’t. It feels like Canon has banked on doing most of their sales to existing Canon users, and they figure people who are loyal to Canon will continue to want to upgrade to the latest and greatest in Canon. This theory could have worked when Canon was a market leader, but they are far from it now and other brands offerings are getting incredibly compelling. Your comments about how these bodies aren’t going to sway non-Canon users to move over to Canon hit the nail on the head, but to be honest I genuinely think Canon feels they don’t need to convert people. They think existing canon users will continue to buy their products in droves because of the supposed strength and prestige of the Canon brand. In reality, I think that luster is wearing off but Canon doesn’t realize it. Canon needs to pull their heads out of their you know what and take a look at the mirrorless camera market with fresh eyes, because whether they realize it or not, they are falling behind. If someone brand new to photography was jumping into the hobby and wanted an interchangeable lens camera, I don’t see how anyone could recommend they start with a Canon over all the other offerings on the market.
Are you serious? Canon remained as number one seller also in the mirrorless world. Hiw have they been making mistake after mistake? They have great cameras for all needs: R7, R6ii R3, R5ii and now the R1. Not to mention a top notch consumer line: R10 and R50. Canon is “slow” because they play the long term game, they knows camera is more than just mps. All best
Fair point. Canon loyalists are some of the most obstinate, stubborn, entrenched. They sound like Canon lawyers when they defend Canon. To them, Canon can do no wrong. Which is why Canon has become the poster child of incrementalism. Innovation just isn't there anymore.
@@joshcruzphotos Sure, whatever... but here's a fun fact for you: Canon sells! That's why, even if nothing else, everyone does videos about these new cameras. Also, affiliate links and pre-order links were heavily used and helpful for UA-camrs, a lot more than any other camera released from other brand in past years. As a comparison stated by a UA-camr: He had 10 fold the pre-orders through his links with the R5ii than with the Z8. You make it sound like we, canon users that actually appreciate Canon's products, are just blind loyalists, and that's fine, it's your opinion. However, I wonder if it isn't actually the other way around: a couple of people who actually project their own inner stuff into others... Because, you see, these podcasters here can easily be found contradicting themselves, praising shortcomings for other brands, like for example, the minuscule buffer of the a9iii, but then downplaying the innovations in AF of the R1. All best
@@joshcruzphotoswell said. Reality has no place for Canon loyalists. It's almost a personal insult to point out facts. Saying this as a Canon shooter. Definitely unimpressed with their new offerings.
Hi I use both the R5 and R3 and do a lot of sport as well as the usual weddings and family stuff,I think that the R1 is for a specific shooter who has to be able to capture the moment in any condition, and it will deliver this 100% so focus takes priority over megapixels and if you want to do a mixture of wildlife,sport and all Chandra’s of photography then you have the R5ii , most people buying these cameras are probably Canon shooters and have acquired glass over the years. In my view these are not entry cameras and so most people will be looking at upgrading from existing 1dxiii or R5 or even making the jump for the R6. I personally prefer images that are in focus when I shoot over more megapixels and may not be as accurate or consistent
Seems it was flagship event for flagship camera annoucement ;) But at least they choose hot Arizona to show they are not afraid of overheating this time (except users and reviewers;)
It sounds like Canon put this event together last second. Perhaps they got wind of an upcoming launch event for some new competing Sony cameras?! How long in advance did the invitations come in?
I think it was 1) they wanted us to specifically shoot certain sports and 2) they were very focused on secrecy, so they wanted full control of the venue. -Jaron
Best discussion I’ve heard on the topic. This was outstanding. I wanted so badly to se enough with the R1 to get in line for one, but unfortunately I don’t feel that the additional 10 fps (I have an R3) is something to pursue. Moving from 20 fps/45 megapixels (my R5) to 30/45 plus all the other features makes more sense.
A lot of macro shooters would love to know if the R5II supports focus bracketing with flash. It would be great if you could keep it in mind for future episodes.
The r1/r3ii is more like the a9iii. It’s an amazing sports and wildlife camera, but it isn’t worthy of a flagship title in the modern terminology like the a1 is a flagship and the r5ii battles against. But also a company is allowed to define what they call a flagship. It’s not about what consumers define a flagship. The a1 and r5 series compete directly. If the a1 is a flagship then the r5 series should be a flagship in the way it competes. The r1/r3ii is definitely more of a niche camera like the a9iii. It’s for photojournalists and sports and wildlife photographers. But the r5ii may be a better wildlife camera than the r1 because of the mp and ability to crop shots as needed.
At first glance it doesn't look like the R1 can compete with the a9 III. The R1 looks to be highly specialized to the action/sports/journalism niche, and in that niche the a9 III seems to do everything better.
Except that canon has been releasing 1 series as there flagship for years way before the A1 or Z9 were here. 1 series were always the lower megapixel powerhouse: 1dx 20mp, 5D 24mp and up, 5Ds, 5Dsr 50mp+, they've been doing it since their dslr line. Its not that they can't do higher mpx, they just take R&D to what is needed in their product segmentation for their targeted audience. Also canon knows that Sony or Nikon users wont jump ship and are not trying to snatch them contrary to what the two others wants to do.
@@sarbelv1lo If Canon isn't trying to attract new users from other systems, they're going to fall behind considerably in the future, because RF mount isn't a great value proposition for a new user right now wanting to get into a mirrorless setup. Canon either needs to bolster their lens lineup such that new users can get into their mount at a reasonable price and get good performance, or they need to fully open up to third party lens manufacturers. To their credit, Canon has the bodies to attract newer/more budget conscious users, but their lens lineup doesn't give new users many options.
@@sarbelv1lo Thing ist, with the R1 being what it is, lots of 1D series shooter may well switch brands instead of sticking with Canon when they go mirrorless.
@@youknowwho9247 i would recommend you to have a look around you for someone who shoots 1d series and just ask them if they want to change brand, i personally knows two on my island, one shoots surf events, the other shoots rally races. The surfer photog has already ordered the R1, the rally one has ordered the R5ii. I know several canon amateurs who bought aps-c R50 and R10 and none of them are looking for lenses, instead learning with the kit lens and 50 1.8, now am not saying there isnt people who switches brands like shirts but 90% of people would barely change camera after investing on one. The pros are the ones that want just what they're used to, they work in the rush, rapidly and want something familiar to them.
Thank you, guys. Really appreciate your podcast and depth of knowledge! Can anyone describe how pre-capture is implemented on these two "flagship" cameras? For example, can one assign "it" to a button so that it can quickly be enabled / disabled? If not, can it be assigned to a custom mode? How well, or not, pre-capture is implemented this time around would quite probably influence purchasing decisions by many wildlife photographers.
@@kokoze I have a Fujifilm XH2S I shoot with. Not sure 🤔 what brand I’ll try next for FF. I’m going to wait and see what Sony does but I’m liking Nikon’s offerings north lenses and bodies. I’m not in a rush. Kinda just enjoying shooting Fujifilm at the moment and happy.
@@jessejayphotographygood choice. I don't see anything innovative. I'd be looking at what Nikon does on the Z9ii. I could see a Global sensor from the Red world.
Disagree on the photo while shooting video being unusable. It’s definitely usable for weddings and events. No different than taking a screen grab, just faster. Only limitation is if you’re shooting log, but if it’s something you quickly need to deliver, then you’re probably not shooting log anyways. I can see a future firmware that implements 4K and the rec709 lut baked into the photo with view assist. They just want to see it being a demand first. IMO it should be. Definitely a great usable feature, especially if they implement it the way I listed above.
As a 5D Mark IV looking to add a new primary camera, I've been wavering between staying with Canon with the R5 ii or move to the A1 or A9 iii (or even wait for the A1 ii). This was such a great breakdown and it all but solidified that my next camera needs to be a Sony. I love some of the RF lenses, but I don't think that is enough to make me stay with Canon when their bodies seem to lag so far behind Sony. My guess is the A1 ii is going to set a new benchmark that will be all but unreachable by Canon. I just need that A1 ii announcement soon so I can plan this purchase.
I want to see the DR of the R5ii and the R1, if this is better than in the sony cameras then for me the sensor is ahead of sonyfor videoshooters. If DR is around the same, then Canon is behind like you say in the podcasts.
59:18 - R5 Mark II - Air is not touch LCD. Cooling air is go inside as showed by Gordon Laing in his video in 7 minute mark. Vents are on bottom is longer intake and small one is side of ports whit is exhaust vent. Which provides some cooling even without fan grip by convection.
I live in Az and still think it would be insane to have any event here right now, especially for the R5 review, I think they just chose the cheapest city for the event? And having you shoot kids sports isn't just a bit odd, it also feels like training wheels for the cameras. Something is wrong with canon rn, I hope they can find their way.
Canon's eye control worked in the film era, but their autofocus didn't, at least on my EOS3. Can select any af point pretty reliably, then the camera focuses significantly behind it. It works fine on the EOS5 without needing calibration, but only five af points to choose from.
I’m torn between the R5ii vs Z8, for me, canon has the better body and feels more comfortable in the hands, the z8 has better lens selection for the cost
I was torn between this as well, but made a decision. I’d say get the camera that feels best in your hand. Not just ergonomics I mean, but the one that will make you want to reach for it and create. The one that inspires you. At this point, all these cameras are great and it comes down to what you connect with most. Hope that helps brotha
For the buffer bottleneck on the R5ii, I would set the SD card to jpeg only and the CFEx to RAW. At that point, Is risk it over risking not getting any shot at all...
To put the correct perspective- EOS R1 is not disappointing if you see it as a standalone 1 series Canon camera. 1 series enters into mirrorless market. Going by the history, 1 series was never about MPs. 1 series was about having all top-of-line features together in single camera -most advance tech, functionality, reliability, speed, ruggedness and many more things which you find in pieces in cameras below 1 series. I think controversy arises because of one viewpoint that R1 looks like an all upgrade to R3. And, I myself wonder why now R3 exists? If R3 fills gap between R5 and R1 then is there really a need to fill that gap? Imagine a scenario where we have R5 series and then directly EOS R1. Then may be the debate wouldn't take place.
Well Canon made sure to say the R3 is NOT a flagship. Then they put out a "flagship" three years later that's basically the same. Three years waiting for what? R3 is still a better value
@@christophercarlimages9003 I think the R5 Mark II is the best R series by Canon and so far better than any Sony out there in terms of AF speed. Just a few mps lesser than Sony's R series but 45 mps for stills are enough for most purposes.
How is this called "R1" and not 'R3 Mark II'? Sounds like marketing BS to me. Canon had nothing left to show for the R1, so instead of the R3 Mark II we got a FAKE R1 release. Good camera. But the name, branding, package and price are simply WRONG and not honest from Canon!
It seems like the launch of these cameras was greatly rushed. Based on your experience, did the launch of the R1/R5II feel more rushed then other camera releases? I think maybe Canon wanted to release them so they would not have to worry about using them at the Olympics? What are your thoughts?
A few times, you said Canon's sensor development is behind Sony and Nikon's... Reminder: the R1 and R5 both use dual pixels. For every pixel in the final image, there are two sensor pixels to read (both sharing a microlens). So the R1 has a 48MP sensor and the R5 has a 90MP sensor. These turn into a 24MP image and a 45MP image, respectively. (Nikon and Sony do not use dual pixels--they alternately half-mask every 12th row of pixels). The per-pixel readout rates are the same between Canon, Sony, and Nikon. It's just that Canon's R5ii has twice the pixels to read as the Z8; and the R1 has the same number of pixels to read as the Z9 (but the R1 outputs a 24MP image instead).
With how much modern autofocus systems are pivoting to machine learning driven systems, you have to wonder how much the extra (i don't even know what to call it, phase separation resolution?) is benefiting the overall system. It would be one thing if they were a clear market leader in stills and video autofocus, but they aren't so is this system the better compromise?
@@Your_Paramour Most of the machine learning is for tracking and subject identification, not for PDAF itself. In other words, it's for "where in the frame do I focus?" or "how fast is the subject moving?" not the "how far away should I focus?" PDAF part that is solved by half masking or dual pixels.
@@arsyjenkins1548 I get that, but my point is unlike in the DSLR days of yore, we're not really seeing big increases gen on gen in the number of pdaf points on the sensor from the other manufacturers, rather the autofocus improvements we're seeing is coming from algorithmic advances, as well as increasingly faster sensors and processors. I agree it is technically very impressive that canon engineers have phase information at every photosite, but what use is it if the competition has as good, if not better af performance with several orders of magnitudes less af points.
It would be interesting if that "remembering faces" feature would work with anything. I mean if you want to photograph a certain bird or animal and it sticks the autofocus to that subject without ever locking on to the background. Does focus bracketing work with flash on the R5 mk2?
Hi guys, i watched the canon launch event today live and I came away with the feeling that the R5 Mk2 is more of a Flagship camera than the R1. I'm leaning more towards the R5 Mk2 since I have the 5DMk4 DSLR.
It feels like Canon is where Nikon was when the mirrorless cameras started coming into their market. Obviously everything is top tier now but it’s just so underwhelming. These cameras make the other Sony & Nikon cameras seem like such a better deal.
Sorry guys but it does not use the original LP19 battery, you can use the original but you will lose certain functions of the camera. They have a new version of LP19 for these cameras.
Cameras with asymmetrical card slots are like wearing sneaker in one foot and sandal in another. The R5II would be buffering in sports in you shoot redundant.
It seems to me that Canon HAD to put an R1 in the hands of photographers in time for the Olympics, so they just released what they had. They're a generation behind the competition (maybe two by the time the A1 II comes) and you can't be putting out 24MP when the competition are double that. Even if pros don't 'need' 45/50MP, we all know your specs are your PR headlines at launch in tech. The R5 II seems compelling though, and even if they're not great, it seems they are giving features to create 'better' stills files. Credit for trying to help stills photographers get better IQ for the first time since 2017. These physical fans, and especially that battery grip for the R5 II with the fan built in to avoid yet more overheating is a bit of an eyesore. Will they release one which isn't a brick for stills shooters who don't need a fan? I genuinely don't like being negative or a 'hater' but as a purely stills shooter you do tend to sigh when a new camera is released. Can't we get a high-end photo-focused camera with all the latest photo features but without the hardware or software video bloat? Probably not. Just keep buying and using previous models I guess! Oh, and you guys do an excellent job. Sorry for my whining, it's not directed at you!
Very sad that the cripple hammer these days is aimed at stills features. Seems that video hijacked the whole format and I'm sure that a photo centric camera would be welcomed by many. Weird how all the apologists claim that all cameras have a niche, yet they don't want to have to use a second camera for video. It has to be a hybrid. Doesn't make much sense.
Thanks guys. Very well done and informative. I watched the whole thing. That's really sad about Rudy. Maybe this Canon cost-cutting thing filtered through to the less-than-stellar event for you to test the cameras? When you get the R5II I'd be really curious as to how fast it overheats in 4k 120p. I saw specs somewhere else that the record times didn't seem that much better with the grip, especially at the more demanding frame rates. I'd really appreciate a comprehensive test at 4k 120p since I do wildlife and I sometimes have to leave the camera run a while waiting for action to happen. Thanks again for all of your hard work.
I strongly suspect the R5 II will have dual native ISO, it’s just not promoted as such. We’ll be testing for the second gain step once we get a production unit. - Jordan
Great discussion. I had put a comment on the r1 video but I'm not sure if you saw it. The face recognition thing has been in the R3 for over a year now; it was added via firmware update a long time back, so even that is not new for Canon. It feels like they were kind of grasping at straws for new features to brag about especially after removing things like pixel shift.
So you guys said basically a camera all comes down to how good a sensor is and that the Z8 sensor is better but on the website review of R5ii against its peers put the Z8 sensor last. Also you seem to think sensor readout speed is the end all be all one thing that makes a camera but unless you're life depends on shooting long burst rates who cares. Also not even mentioned was the R5ii shoots 30fps raw were as the Z8 can only do 30fps jpeg. Of course it'll clear that buffer faster. Maybe bring all the facts to the table next time y'all talk about the Z8.
*It wasn't a 3 year wait for the R1 Flagship, it was much longer than this, closer to 5 years, actually. I think the R1 is a good camera, but well eclipsed by lower priced 6K capable models. Also, not putting 8K resolution video capability on a flagship camera priced over $6K USD, and only using a 24.6 MP sensor is a little underwhelming, IMHO. The R5 MK II OVERHEATS ? Didn't Canon learn anything from fixing the OG R5 ? Again the R5 MK II is underwhelming.*
You mean OM ‘is’ a sushi company? Canon - trail mix Nikon - steak and eggs Sony - lasagna Leica - Kroken Bush Hasselblad - chocolate cake Kodak - crackerjack Pentax - pretzel and mustard
Hey guys two questions, Seems to me that this 'R1' may have originally been a R3 mk2 and the fabled R1 global shutter just failed in development, thoughts? Secind ive been looking around for a new lens for my fuji x-s10 and think ill grab the 50-140 but in looking I realised that the actual lens I want doesnt exist, (my perfect lens would be a 30-90 f2.8 LM with internal zoom. So my question is if you could make your dream lens what would it be and on what mount? Thanks as always, love your work
Does the new battery give more usable shoot time to shoot to the R5 2? The biggest issue I had with the R5c was the abysmal battery life. It was straight up unusable in the majority of professional settings unless I rigged it out with a Vmount because I was getting sub 40 min of power (not even recording, ~30min or less of actual record time). Unless they fix the battery life, I still would not be able to recommend this camera to any professional video shooter.
I've been shooting Canon since 2003. I switched to Sony this year (from 1dx to a9). I still prefer SLR, however I didn't feel supported by Canon (or the rest of the industry) in that regard. Their mirrorless remain underwhelming for what I shoot (predominantly automotive photos, pans in particular) and since I was switching my lenses I didn't mind switching brands. I'm so bummed to see the R1 specs, and I don't regret leaving Canon. Sony still feels alien in my hands, but it gets the job done. I hope Canon can right the ship. I'd love to go back.
I like PetaPixel because they give very honest reviews. Upon reading the spec sheets on both cameras I found myself to be very underwhelmed with the release. I'm a diehard canon guy but, as mentioned in the video, these bodies are not the most competitive bodies in the market especially when you look at what Nikon and Sony are doing. However, I'm hopeful that with more official firmware and hands on reviews, the sentiments towards these bodies will improve.
I think a lot of canon users were hoping for a minimum megapixel size of 28 megapixels resolution, with low light improvements and improved dynamic range over the R3.
How is the R5 mkIi AF compared to R6 Mk Ii? I was waiting to sell mine and switch to R5 but the lack of AF features on R5 did not make sense. Is R5 mk Ii worth selling R6 Mk Ii to switch over to? Or investing more in lenses instead with R6 Mk Ii will be a better bang for buck. I'm mostly into wildlife photography.
I pre-ordered the R5ii today but I'm having second thoughts and might switch to the A9iii, which I've been thinking about for a few months. I was underwhelmed today but intrigued by the autofocus. Knowing that they fired Rudy Winston makes me far more likely to switch to Sony, though. Not seeing him on video today at the launch felt weird.
When I saw all the videos and working in PR myself, my immediate reaction was: What a cheapskate, poorly-executed, lackluster press event. Interesting to hear that you pretty much confirm this impression. The news of the layoffs are a real bummer and a sign of bad corporate culture. As an existing Canon R5 shooter, I am still looking forward to the Mk. II with some anticipation and gonna buy one. The inclusion of eye-control AF and the new AF system, the faster than before reading-out sensor while maintaining the excellent (and for me industry leading) ergonomics and interface still make it a worthwhile upgrade. I still really like the Canon L-lenses, too. But they are so expensive. On the other hand: When I am looking over to a Z8 and especially the excellent lenses Nikon offer in all price ranges, the (third-party) lens lineup that Sony has, I am constantly wondering, if I made the right choice.
Please don't shorten the Peta Pixel Podcast since it is actually one of the most entertaining while informative photography-centred podcasts! Please continue just like this.
Besides the talking points regarding the R5 Mark II and the R1 I personally really liked that you just shared your impressions about the Canon USA shooting event. It seems like Canon has to do some homework regarding this as well, because this sounds like a very uncomfortable (for the participants) and inappropriate event for such important products in Canons line-up.
Seconded. Longer form podcasts are life savers during commutes.
@@pacheaco727 Much longer...
Also, all the "tech support" and "never read the comments" sections are very informative and nice to follow
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I also second this. Please make these pods as long as you want. I tune in to hear you fellas talk about photography and photography gear. If that lasts longer than someone’s road commute than so be it. Give me the content!! 🔥📷
I sometimes forget that you guys have an insane amount of camera knowledge. This discussion was crazy technical, but I’m here for it any day of the week
No sponsor on this podcast, very fair move. BUY A SHIRT PEOPLE.
The R1 really feels like an R3II, impressive for sure but it doesn't feel like a flagship.
I think at the end of the day, cameras in general have gotten so good it's almost pointless to make/buy flagships anymore, other than a few niche features that professionals need.
@@wtfnahmean It depends on what you define as "good". Is the R1 "good"? Oh yes it absolutely is, but there are a lot of bird and wildlife shooters who are waiting for a high-res pro body from Canon, like Z9. Those aren't gonna be satisfied just because the R1 is "good". At least Canon should have made an R1X with the R5ii sensor as a high-res option.
I think it is a flagship for Canon in the sense that it's a 1D series camera, but mirrorless - however, that's not enough anymore to compete favourably with what Nikon and Sony are up to. Over the last 5-7 years, what people expect from a top end camera has really changed. I think Nikon started this with the D850, which wasn't technically their flagship, but nonetheless was revolutionary at the time for combining high res, high dr, good noise performance, fantastic af and fast shooting speeds in one body. Before that it was always the case that you'd have to decide to buy either a fast camera, or one aimed at the best image quality. D5/1D/a9 or D810/5D/a7r , basically. Then Sony later applied that same concept to mirrorless with the a1, except even more "and the kitchen sink" style. Nikon follows that market segmentation by throwing everything into the Z9, and then making essentially the same tech available cheaper with the Z8. For Canon - it really seems like they're trying to go back to the DSLR market segments, which is somewhat ok for the R5 II (assuming the price is going to come down; by the way, in that particular segment Sony is kinda more old school with the much more specialized a7r V) but the R1 really looks like a difficult sell compared to the z9, a1 and, I think, particularly the a9 III. It's a highly specialised sports and action camera (the R1 is), and within that niche a cheaper camera with a global shutter and 4x the burst rate and arguably better autofocus already exists. That's very bad news for Canon, I feel.
@@fotografalexandernikolishere's hoping for a pro body r7mk2 with battery grip and better buffer/ DR and qewther sealing for us wildlife shooters. Hopefully will be a true 7dmk2 replacement. The r7 is great but it falls short.
Both R3/R1 are well outside my price range, but they seem so similar in offered features/target audience that I’m not sure what the differentiator is supposed to be.
Photographing young athletes in poorly lit gyms is something many of us will use these cameras for. Some of the places you go to test cameras with beautiful people, extravagant professionally set-up light and stunning backdrops do not embrace the reality some of us face.
I have a complaint! This podcast, and all of them before it, needs to be longer! I want a minimum of three hours to listen to your ramblings and amazing insights! Thank you in advance.
All this announcement did for me, was make me even more happy I commited to the A1
This. Canon is no longer pushing innovation. I chose the Sony ecosystem 6 years ago and at the time there was perceived risk with that… I haven’t felt that way since. This latest Canon announcement further solidified why I am happy with my choice. I shoot an a1 and rv combo and it works beautifully.
Nikon Z8 has just become even more compelling :)
Get that plus a Tamron 35-150.
It’s currently $3500 USD
Yup crazy value for the price
Non consistent AF though… but Nikon is almost there. I was a critic for years but they have def come a long way and I’m patiently waiting to see how they transform after their acquisition of Red Camera.
after some time watching reviews: If the dynamic range is better then than a9 III. That is an important thing. The frame rate is enough for real world use. But with the fast shutter speeds, low noise is a thing that really makes a difference.
The second thing is the action focused auto focus that follows large balls. Jaren pointed out this. That makes also a difference. Now one else does this.
I don't think the camera will be unsuccessful because it can not shoot 120 fps.
Do you think the noise reduction in clog will be as good as Sony in low light like for at events?
@@eccproductions sorry, I have no answer.
Sounded like the only autofocus they even tried was the eye control.
What makes sense to me with the lack of CFExpress 4.0 support is likely down to a combination of four things: Heat, power consumption, camera processing/cost limitations and (imo the most pivotal one) write error risk.
Heat can be mitigated with better cooling or with thermal throttling, power is something you're eating as the additional write speed by the controller is going to eat it no matter what (this point ties to hardware constrains also, think why we don't see more than gigabit in cameras is the cost of those controllers is prohibitively expensive considering the client side restrictions likely only being gigabit).
That brings us to write errors. Faster writes need a smaller signal diamond on those contacts due to the higher frequencies used. Which is something you can eat in a desktop/server/laptop which are assumed to be in more controlled environments as far as EMI is concerned. But a camera body is a different story, it's far safer to go with the slower standard for data integrity reasons than risk the faster standard ruining the image in situ. (remember, while the spec may account for it, no battle plan survives contact with the enemy)
I'm not going to say Gen 4 is a solution looking for a problem (I have a couple of Gen 4 cards) BUT unless cameras increase resolution or go really crazy with the frame rates they aren't needed in camera.
Gen 4 cards can write at over 2000 MB/s. If the camera is only shooting 24MP why do you need Gen 4 in camera?
Why would the write error risk increase?
@@bernadettetreual faster data rate= smaller signal diamond (you'll want to look that up, LTT has a video regarding an hdmi cable checker for that) smaller signal diamond less room for error.
That's the simple version without going into technical details that are, frankly, beyond a comment and my expertise to explain.
@@AnotherOtherMan-alive That's true, but there's ways to mitigate the smaller SNR/higher BER. Otherwise, we couldn't reliably communicate via multi-gigabit ethernet, 5G and so on either.
@@bernadettetreual sheilding is your answer in most cases, in others (like in radio transmission) it's using the older 22nm node due to the EMI resistance benefits.
and those things add cost and/or physical size.
I absolutely LOVE you humans for this work and channel. It is very interesting that at this point all the cameras are so very good… like legit, it comes being excited about burst modes and how it handles LED strobing. lol.
The Z8 is just looking better and better. If only I could justify the price as an enthusiast!
That was a great conversation and yeah by the end it really expresses how a lot of Canon customers feel. Whoever's running cannons camera division really needs to get fired will be pushed out. Their strategy of where the best so we're going to lock everybody in and then we're obviously struggling with sensors even though I swear the R5 sensor is probably the best one they've ever made.. it's just bizarre times for that company. Most are five users are not going to upgrade to the r52 because the R5 was already so good. The R5 is the miracle that basically saved cannon in my opinion, because without it what do you really have... The r3is awesome but it is for us very specific set of users.
Canon is just a weird weird company.
This is the third UA-cam review I've watched that refers to the R1 as an R3 Mark II. And it seems obvious that the in-camera upscaling is a tacit admission that the sensor resolution is not high enough.
Canon's solution to hot shoe cover is "using a sledge hammer to kill a fly" complicated.Pentax film camera straps had 2 tiny snap-button pockets for securely storing the hot shoe cover and the eyecup blinder.
I am new to photography, but I am learning. Genuine question: One thing I don't understand, is why canon is being bashed for the R5II. Everybody are complaining about sensor readout speeds, which is twice as much than the Nikon Z8 (6.3ms vs 3.7ms), but nobody complains about the Sony A7RV with 99.3ms! How's that?
The A7Rv is not the correct comparison as it is optimized for image quality, not speed. Sony's high-end all-rounder camera would be the a1. That camera has a 5second readout speed.
Ordered an R5mk2 as an upgrade to my R6mk1 and I'm excited about it. Like many folks, I'm confused about the R1, but its not aimed at me.
Marketing: We have nothing to show. WHAT WILL WE DO?
Finance: *AI*
Jordan's love of Japanese curry resonates with me! 😍
I shot Canon for 14 year and when it came time to switch to mirrorless I didn't go with Canon. Being a Canon shooter is immensely frustrating in certain ways, and it's been that way for a long time.
1:11:00 🤣 That press event sounds like a joke. Especially bad when they are expecting them to take photos of kids.
Petafiles rejoice😂
Once a production model is available, I'd like to see a video comparing the features and performance of the Canon R1 against the Nikon Z6iii.
Why would they do that? The z63 is a r62 competitor, literally two levels down
Some of you guys make the weirdest unreasonable requests it's just so weird.
I'm glad you all survived the Phoenix heat and sorry Canon put you in that position. If you choose to skip future Canon launch events, I'm sure we'll all understand. Thank you for making all the content that you did given the circumstances, and for remaining positive and objective through it all. And, FWIW, I'm very unimpressed by both cameras.
Bizarre that you guys probably spent more time flying down to beyond-sweltering Phoenix than the time you actually had with the obviously not-quite-ready-yet R1 and R5ii. Despite the long, long anticipated launch, the whole thing, crazy launch event and all, seems unthinkingly rushed. 🤔
And cost cutting is evident in the way the event was staged. Really reeks of penny pinching. Are they really in that much trouble financially?
Canon did the best they could do with their current sensor technology, but they are not a sensor technology leader. Thats why they will never lead the pack.
Not having a GS is a real drawback for flash photography and banding. And there is still 2ms that the processor has to wait for the readout to be pocessed and the picture you see is always delayed at at least 2ms.
The R1 is so "not-quite-ready-yet" that it's several years away. They took an R3II and labeled it the R1, because they had made the mistake of insisting that the R3 is "not a flagship".
@@gsrox2007 You will just find anything to complain about
Canon’s current non-cinema lineup:
R1 = 24MP
R3 = 24MP
R5 = 45MP
R6 = 24MP
R7 = 32MP
R8 = 24MP
R10 = 24MP
R50 = 24MP
R100 = 24MP
7 out of 9 cameras are 24MP. WTF.
Canon's love affair with 24 mpx cameras continues...and one of the two higher counts isn't even full frame 😂
1:24:40
It's hard to sit here and say that it's worth switching systems at all anymore. I switched from Sony to Canon when Canon released the R6 MarkII, and I'm happy with my decision mostly for the excellent RF lenses and seamless adaptability of the EF lenses. But right now each of the big 3 camera brands are so close with their bodies and lenses that it's not really worth switching unless you need something like a global shutter sensor of the A9iii, or need specific lenses that another manufacturer has that yours doesn't like Canon's 28-70 f/2. Technology is plateauing when it comes to camera bodies. My R6 MarkII does 70-80% of what the flagship R1 is doing, and I think about when I first got into photography with my 6D MarkII comparing that to the 1DX MarkII or III was like comparing a honda to a ferarri, it did maybe 25% of what the flagship did. Now my 6 series is competing well with the 1 series body. Wack.
According to SAR Sony will announce their version of 28-70 f/2.0 still this year.
...But better : 24-70 f/2.0 😅 So one more argument for Sony ecosystem, despite I fully agree that today modern FF cameras from big players are soo good and so similar to each other that you have to had very specific reason to choose one after other.
@@youmysterious I've heard that as well. I've also heard Canon is reportedly working on a second version of the 28-70 2.0 which is crazy considering they still don't have basic lenses like the 24mm, 50 or 85mm 1.4s, or any telephoto primes aside from the monstrously expensive 400 2.8 and 600 f/4s. I also think Sony's version of the 2.0 zoom will be very good, but have a more clinical look compared to Canon's versions. I'm a fan of Canons L series lenses because typically they look more interesting than the competitors, and it's nice to see images with character rather than perfect clinical sharpness, flatter images that are perfectly corrected all the time. Sigma is a good example of this, their lenses are great, but can lack character, unique flaring or microcontrast
@@jordanmitchell1433 The question really is do you “need” a global shutter or “need” a 28-70 f2. The plateauing of tech is undoubtedly true, with the exception of price. The Canon R1 is a staggering £7k (body only) in the UK with, as yet, no third party glass options (supposedly coming). Nikon’s flagship Z9 is £5k (body only). The Z6iii is just £2,700k (body only), so you could almost but a Z9 and a Z6iii for the same price as an R1. Seriously, who’s gonna jump to Canon???
@@borassictime918 But it's important to define "Need". I do real estate video and wedding photography. I need a wide angle, do I need the 15-35 2.8? No, but the 2.8 aperture is better than the f/4 of the 14-45 f/4L which drew me to it. Do I need the 50 1.2 for weddings? Absolutely not, many photographers get their wedding work done with a 50 1.8 and so did I at a time.
I don't think either of these cameras are making anyone jump systems. If you're invested in any of the big 3, the only reason to switch would be lens preferences. Perhaps with this release many people have decided to go back to Sony or Nikon for Sigma and Tamron lenses. Canon's flagship is a bit disappointing and they still aren't allowing third party lenses for it.
R5ii just makes the Z8 look like a better deal
Don't believe the Z8 can even touch the in camera upscaling functions. For me that upscaling to 180mp is an extra $4000 savings from and GFX100II medium format. And the in camera NR processing. Those two options alone are game changers for me. The Nikon Z8 doesn't even come close to those two offerings alone.
@@DreamReleases isn't that just jpegs?
@@DreamReleasesYou have to be joking right? An upsizing feature that only stretches the pixel dimensions but doesn't actually add any detail (unlike an AI computer app like Topaz) is supposed to be a meaningful advantage over Z8? Jesus the way Canon fans are grasping for air and moving goalposts at this point.
If R5ii has any advantage over Z8, it's the lighter weight and the EVF, and maybe a tad better AF. Those are good points actually. But soon we'll see a Z8mk2 that will probably leap even further.
@@DreamReleasesbruh, it's AI, it's not real resolution. Topaz / DxO PureRAW will also most likely deliver significantly better results than whatever the camera is doing on its tiny chip.
@@fotografalexandernikolis facts. I have been saying this and will continue to say this. Canon is like the Apple of camera companies. Always behind yet people won’t choose other options because they’re locked in the ecosystem (RF-mount)
Will the new battery in the R5 also give the R5 II the same power output to the RF 400 2.8 like the R3 has? The R3 focuses faster with long tele lenses due to more power output.
The R5 MK2 battery is nowhere near the performance of the R3 battery. Not even close.
If I am not mistaken, when a RAW is read by a camera, the camera is actually displaying a JPG that's embedded in the RAW file. So if you take the RAW file out of the camera and then put it back in (even with the sidecar file) the camera preview is still going to show you the original embedded JPG. That's why I believe you don't see the changes made to the file. Now, even if the camera is reading the RAW image, it's probably not set up to also apply the changes that are in the sidecar file. That file is likely entirely ignored simply because it's not usual to have a sidecar file to read and apply, so the camera isn't programmed to do so!
Canon R1 way to expensive in my country, price in the Netherlands is 7500,-- euro. Nikon Z8 4099,-- euro. so the choice is simple or buy a R5Mark II which 4200,-- euro in the Netherlands.
The Nikon seems to have many more features for less money.
In my view, this release is sort of an exclamation point on a bad multi-year run from Canon. These cameras aren’t necessarily *bad*, but after being arguably the industry leader in the DSLR era, Canon has made mistake after mistake with their mirrorless line, and I think some people thought this release would get them back on top, but it really hasn’t.
It feels like Canon has banked on doing most of their sales to existing Canon users, and they figure people who are loyal to Canon will continue to want to upgrade to the latest and greatest in Canon. This theory could have worked when Canon was a market leader, but they are far from it now and other brands offerings are getting incredibly compelling.
Your comments about how these bodies aren’t going to sway non-Canon users to move over to Canon hit the nail on the head, but to be honest I genuinely think Canon feels they don’t need to convert people. They think existing canon users will continue to buy their products in droves because of the supposed strength and prestige of the Canon brand. In reality, I think that luster is wearing off but Canon doesn’t realize it.
Canon needs to pull their heads out of their you know what and take a look at the mirrorless camera market with fresh eyes, because whether they realize it or not, they are falling behind. If someone brand new to photography was jumping into the hobby and wanted an interchangeable lens camera, I don’t see how anyone could recommend they start with a Canon over all the other offerings on the market.
Are you serious? Canon remained as number one seller also in the mirrorless world. Hiw have they been making mistake after mistake? They have great cameras for all needs: R7, R6ii R3, R5ii and now the R1. Not to mention a top notch consumer line: R10 and R50.
Canon is “slow” because they play the long term game, they knows camera is more than just mps.
All best
Fair point. Canon loyalists are some of the most obstinate, stubborn, entrenched. They sound like Canon lawyers when they defend Canon. To them, Canon can do no wrong. Which is why Canon has become the poster child of incrementalism. Innovation just isn't there anymore.
@@joshcruzphotos Sure, whatever... but here's a fun fact for you: Canon sells! That's why, even if nothing else, everyone does videos about these new cameras. Also, affiliate links and pre-order links were heavily used and helpful for UA-camrs, a lot more than any other camera released from other brand in past years. As a comparison stated by a UA-camr: He had 10 fold the pre-orders through his links with the R5ii than with the Z8.
You make it sound like we, canon users that actually appreciate Canon's products, are just blind loyalists, and that's fine, it's your opinion. However, I wonder if it isn't actually the other way around: a couple of people who actually project their own inner stuff into others...
Because, you see, these podcasters here can easily be found contradicting themselves, praising shortcomings for other brands, like for example, the minuscule buffer of the a9iii, but then downplaying the innovations in AF of the R1.
All best
@@joshcruzphotoswell said. Reality has no place for Canon loyalists. It's almost a personal insult to point out facts. Saying this as a Canon shooter. Definitely unimpressed with their new offerings.
Hi I use both the R5 and R3 and do a lot of sport as well as the usual weddings and family stuff,I think that the R1 is for a specific shooter who has to be able to capture the moment in any condition, and it will deliver this 100% so focus takes priority over megapixels and if you want to do a mixture of wildlife,sport and all Chandra’s of photography then you have the R5ii , most people buying these cameras are probably Canon shooters and have acquired glass over the years. In my view these are not entry cameras and so most people will be looking at upgrading from existing 1dxiii or R5 or even making the jump for the R6. I personally prefer images that are in focus when I shoot over more megapixels and may not be as accurate or consistent
Seems it was flagship event for flagship camera annoucement ;) But at least they choose hot Arizona to show they are not afraid of overheating this time (except users and reviewers;)
You guys are GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kindest regards,
Vincent Pothuizen 🙂
And the podcast is totally not tool long. It's not meant to be a quick video. :) Keep it up, guys!
It sounds like Canon put this event together last second. Perhaps they got wind of an upcoming launch event for some new competing Sony cameras?! How long in advance did the invitations come in?
Do you think that Canon's choice of venue was because distance matters to the AF system?
I think it was 1) they wanted us to specifically shoot certain sports and 2) they were very focused on secrecy, so they wanted full control of the venue. -Jaron
Best discussion I’ve heard on the topic. This was outstanding. I wanted so badly to se enough with the R1 to get in line for one, but unfortunately I don’t feel that the additional 10 fps (I have an R3) is something to pursue. Moving from 20 fps/45 megapixels (my R5) to 30/45 plus all the other features makes more sense.
A lot of macro shooters would love to know if the R5II supports focus bracketing with flash. It would be great if you could keep it in mind for future episodes.
I don't shoot with Canon so my first reaction is: why wouldn't it??
@@TimvanderLeeuwBecause it uses the electronic shutter when in thr focus bracketing mode.
@@kokoze AH, I see... Thanks!
The r1/r3ii is more like the a9iii. It’s an amazing sports and wildlife camera, but it isn’t worthy of a flagship title in the modern terminology like the a1 is a flagship and the r5ii battles against.
But also a company is allowed to define what they call a flagship. It’s not about what consumers define a flagship.
The a1 and r5 series compete directly. If the a1 is a flagship then the r5 series should be a flagship in the way it competes.
The r1/r3ii is definitely more of a niche camera like the a9iii. It’s for photojournalists and sports and wildlife photographers. But the r5ii may be a better wildlife camera than the r1 because of the mp and ability to crop shots as needed.
At first glance it doesn't look like the R1 can compete with the a9 III. The R1 looks to be highly specialized to the action/sports/journalism niche, and in that niche the a9 III seems to do everything better.
Except that canon has been releasing 1 series as there flagship for years way before the A1 or Z9 were here. 1 series were always the lower megapixel powerhouse: 1dx 20mp, 5D 24mp and up, 5Ds, 5Dsr 50mp+, they've been doing it since their dslr line. Its not that they can't do higher mpx, they just take R&D to what is needed in their product segmentation for their targeted audience. Also canon knows that Sony or Nikon users wont jump ship and are not trying to snatch them contrary to what the two others wants to do.
@@sarbelv1lo If Canon isn't trying to attract new users from other systems, they're going to fall behind considerably in the future, because RF mount isn't a great value proposition for a new user right now wanting to get into a mirrorless setup. Canon either needs to bolster their lens lineup such that new users can get into their mount at a reasonable price and get good performance, or they need to fully open up to third party lens manufacturers.
To their credit, Canon has the bodies to attract newer/more budget conscious users, but their lens lineup doesn't give new users many options.
@@sarbelv1lo Thing ist, with the R1 being what it is, lots of 1D series shooter may well switch brands instead of sticking with Canon when they go mirrorless.
@@youknowwho9247 i would recommend you to have a look around you for someone who shoots 1d series and just ask them if they want to change brand, i personally knows two on my island, one shoots surf events, the other shoots rally races. The surfer photog has already ordered the R1, the rally one has ordered the R5ii. I know several canon amateurs who bought aps-c R50 and R10 and none of them are looking for lenses, instead learning with the kit lens and 50 1.8, now am not saying there isnt people who switches brands like shirts but 90% of people would barely change camera after investing on one. The pros are the ones that want just what they're used to, they work in the rush, rapidly and want something familiar to them.
I loved watching this podcast. Your knowledge and unbiased opinions are worth everything for me. Thankyou.
Liked your initial preview on UA-cam.
This is a good additional information Podcast.
I love when Chris is a hater it is so entertaining this was great I’m picking up the r5ii this episode changed my choice.
Thank you, guys. Really appreciate your podcast and depth of knowledge! Can anyone describe how pre-capture is implemented on these two "flagship" cameras? For example, can one assign "it" to a button so that it can quickly be enabled / disabled? If not, can it be assigned to a custom mode? How well, or not, pre-capture is implemented this time around would quite probably influence purchasing decisions by many wildlife photographers.
I sold all my Canon RF gear two days ago. 1) third party RF lens lock down 2) not keeping up with competitors 3) huge, expensive, heavy native lenses.
What did you switch to?
@@kokoze I have a Fujifilm XH2S I shoot with. Not sure 🤔 what brand I’ll try next for FF. I’m going to wait and see what Sony does but I’m liking Nikon’s offerings north lenses and bodies. I’m not in a rush. Kinda just enjoying shooting Fujifilm at the moment and happy.
@@jessejayphotographygood choice. I don't see anything innovative. I'd be looking at what Nikon does on the Z9ii. I could see a Global sensor from the Red world.
The R5II and R3II
So you guys overheated before the camera did. Progress?
Disagree on the photo while shooting video being unusable. It’s definitely usable for weddings and events. No different than taking a screen grab, just faster. Only limitation is if you’re shooting log, but if it’s something you quickly need to deliver, then you’re probably not shooting log anyways.
I can see a future firmware that implements 4K and the rec709 lut baked into the photo with view assist. They just want to see it being a demand first. IMO it should be. Definitely a great usable feature, especially if they implement it the way I listed above.
That is also totally agency feature. A lot of news gathering will use it.
A question no one awas able to answer yet, what is this little box near the LAN light on the R1? Were you able to figure it out?
Yes, I said it many times and you said it at the end: you need the best sensor technology to lead.
And Canon's RF Full Frame mount is lock too.
Awe, the three musketeers. Must see content 🙌📷
As a 5D Mark IV looking to add a new primary camera, I've been wavering between staying with Canon with the R5 ii or move to the A1 or A9 iii (or even wait for the A1 ii). This was such a great breakdown and it all but solidified that my next camera needs to be a Sony. I love some of the RF lenses, but I don't think that is enough to make me stay with Canon when their bodies seem to lag so far behind Sony. My guess is the A1 ii is going to set a new benchmark that will be all but unreachable by Canon. I just need that A1 ii announcement soon so I can plan this purchase.
Caught that giggle at “stiff and fierce” 😂
I want to see the DR of the R5ii and the R1, if this is better than in the sony cameras then for me the sensor is ahead of sonyfor videoshooters. If DR is around the same, then Canon is behind like you say in the podcasts.
Question: Will a hot (as in spicy) OM System curry help to clear your buffer?
59:18 - R5 Mark II - Air is not touch LCD. Cooling air is go inside as showed by Gordon Laing in his video in 7 minute mark. Vents are on bottom is longer intake and small one is side of ports whit is exhaust vent. Which provides some cooling even without fan grip by convection.
Do any cameras come with 1440p recording options? It would definitely be the goldilocks for nearly every format.
So how is the buffer if you remove the slow SD card??
I live in Az and still think it would be insane to have any event here right now, especially for the R5 review, I think they just chose the cheapest city for the event? And having you shoot kids sports isn't just a bit odd, it also feels like training wheels for the cameras. Something is wrong with canon rn, I hope they can find their way.
So is the pre-capture only possible at the maximum burst rate, or can you get a half second worth of frames at slower burst rates?
Canon's eye control worked in the film era, but their autofocus didn't, at least on my EOS3. Can select any af point pretty reliably, then the camera focuses significantly behind it. It works fine on the EOS5 without needing calibration, but only five af points to choose from.
Pebble speakers? Yay!
I’m torn between the R5ii vs Z8, for me, canon has the better body and feels more comfortable in the hands, the z8 has better lens selection for the cost
z8 all day or get a used/refurbished z9 for 4k still cheaper than both these cameras
I was torn between this as well, but made a decision. I’d say get the camera that feels best in your hand. Not just ergonomics I mean, but the one that will make you want to reach for it and create. The one that inspires you. At this point, all these cameras are great and it comes down to what you connect with most. Hope that helps brotha
Flash sync in ES is 1/400 for R1.
For the buffer bottleneck on the R5ii, I would set the SD card to jpeg only and the CFEx to RAW. At that point, Is risk it over risking not getting any shot at all...
To put the correct perspective-
EOS R1 is not disappointing if you see it as a standalone 1 series Canon camera. 1 series enters into mirrorless market. Going by the history, 1 series was never about MPs. 1 series was about having all top-of-line features together in single camera -most advance tech, functionality, reliability, speed, ruggedness and many more things which you find in pieces in cameras below 1 series.
I think controversy arises because of one viewpoint that R1 looks like an all upgrade to R3. And, I myself wonder why now R3 exists? If R3 fills gap between R5 and R1 then is there really a need to fill that gap? Imagine a scenario where we have R5 series and then directly EOS R1. Then may be the debate wouldn't take place.
Well Canon made sure to say the R3 is NOT a flagship. Then they put out a "flagship" three years later that's basically the same. Three years waiting for what? R3 is still a better value
@@christophercarlimages9003 R3 is better value for sure. I wonder why they love 24.2 mp so much
@@christophercarlimages9003 I think the R5 Mark II is the best R series by Canon and so far better than any Sony out there in terms of AF speed. Just a few mps lesser than Sony's R series but 45 mps for stills are enough for most purposes.
How is this called "R1" and not 'R3 Mark II'?
Sounds like marketing BS to me. Canon had nothing left to show for the R1, so instead of the R3 Mark II we got a FAKE R1 release.
Good camera. But the name, branding, package and price are simply WRONG and not honest from Canon!
It seems like the launch of these cameras was greatly rushed. Based on your experience, did the launch of the R1/R5II feel more rushed then other camera releases? I think maybe Canon wanted to release them so they would not have to worry about using them at the Olympics? What are your thoughts?
Got em right here!
petapixel.com/2024/07/18/the-canon-r1-feels-rushed-even-with-three-additional-development-years/
curious why they picked Phoenix to showcase these cameras... did they want you to test the overheating issue?
A few times, you said Canon's sensor development is behind Sony and Nikon's...
Reminder: the R1 and R5 both use dual pixels. For every pixel in the final image, there are two sensor pixels to read (both sharing a microlens). So the R1 has a 48MP sensor and the R5 has a 90MP sensor. These turn into a 24MP image and a 45MP image, respectively. (Nikon and Sony do not use dual pixels--they alternately half-mask every 12th row of pixels).
The per-pixel readout rates are the same between Canon, Sony, and Nikon. It's just that Canon's R5ii has twice the pixels to read as the Z8; and the R1 has the same number of pixels to read as the Z9 (but the R1 outputs a 24MP image instead).
With how much modern autofocus systems are pivoting to machine learning driven systems, you have to wonder how much the extra (i don't even know what to call it, phase separation resolution?) is benefiting the overall system. It would be one thing if they were a clear market leader in stills and video autofocus, but they aren't so is this system the better compromise?
@@Your_Paramour Most of the machine learning is for tracking and subject identification, not for PDAF itself. In other words, it's for "where in the frame do I focus?" or "how fast is the subject moving?" not the "how far away should I focus?" PDAF part that is solved by half masking or dual pixels.
@@arsyjenkins1548 I get that, but my point is unlike in the DSLR days of yore, we're not really seeing big increases gen on gen in the number of pdaf points on the sensor from the other manufacturers, rather the autofocus improvements we're seeing is coming from algorithmic advances, as well as increasingly faster sensors and processors. I agree it is technically very impressive that canon engineers have phase information at every photosite, but what use is it if the competition has as good, if not better af performance with several orders of magnitudes less af points.
Technically speaking the a7s3 is ALSO a 48mp sensor
Yes, and still they are behind Sony in AF, so it seems a bit pointless.
It would be interesting if that "remembering faces" feature would work with anything. I mean if you want to photograph a certain bird or animal and it sticks the autofocus to that subject without ever locking on to the background.
Does focus bracketing work with flash on the R5 mk2?
Hi guys, i watched the canon launch event today live and I came away with the feeling that the R5 Mk2 is more of a Flagship camera than the R1. I'm leaning more towards the R5 Mk2 since I have the 5DMk4 DSLR.
Jumping from a 5 series dslr to 5 series mirrorless sounds like a slick transition!
It feels like Canon is where Nikon was when the mirrorless cameras started coming into their market. Obviously everything is top tier now but it’s just so underwhelming. These cameras make the other Sony & Nikon cameras seem like such a better deal.
Sorry guys but it does not use the original LP19 battery, you can use the original but you will lose certain functions of the camera. They have a new version of LP19 for these cameras.
Cameras with asymmetrical card slots are like wearing sneaker in one foot and sandal in another. The R5II would be buffering in sports in you shoot redundant.
While I would prefer dual cfexpress, I plan to shoot raw to the cfexpress card and jpg to the sd card.... not that big a deal.
It's says to the buyer, "your work is not that important". Only sports shooters deserve no bottlenecks.
Great discussion guys. Camera Conspiracies confirmed: OM system is actually a 🍣 company that happens to also sell cameras!
If Canon really wants to meet its marketshare goals, the R1 needed to be more than what it seems to be.
It seems to me that Canon HAD to put an R1 in the hands of photographers in time for the Olympics, so they just released what they had.
They're a generation behind the competition (maybe two by the time the A1 II comes) and you can't be putting out 24MP when the competition are double that. Even if pros don't 'need' 45/50MP, we all know your specs are your PR headlines at launch in tech.
The R5 II seems compelling though, and even if they're not great, it seems they are giving features to create 'better' stills files. Credit for trying to help stills photographers get better IQ for the first time since 2017.
These physical fans, and especially that battery grip for the R5 II with the fan built in to avoid yet more overheating is a bit of an eyesore. Will they release one which isn't a brick for stills shooters who don't need a fan?
I genuinely don't like being negative or a 'hater' but as a purely stills shooter you do tend to sigh when a new camera is released. Can't we get a high-end photo-focused camera with all the latest photo features but without the hardware or software video bloat? Probably not. Just keep buying and using previous models I guess!
Oh, and you guys do an excellent job. Sorry for my whining, it's not directed at you!
Very sad that the cripple hammer these days is aimed at stills features. Seems that video hijacked the whole format and I'm sure that a photo centric camera would be welcomed by many. Weird how all the apologists claim that all cameras have a niche, yet they don't want to have to use a second camera for video. It has to be a hybrid. Doesn't make much sense.
Thanks guys. Very well done and informative. I watched the whole thing. That's really sad about Rudy. Maybe this Canon cost-cutting thing filtered through to the less-than-stellar event for you to test the cameras? When you get the R5II I'd be really curious as to how fast it overheats in 4k 120p. I saw specs somewhere else that the record times didn't seem that much better with the grip, especially at the more demanding frame rates. I'd really appreciate a comprehensive test at 4k 120p since I do wildlife and I sometimes have to leave the camera run a while waiting for action to happen. Thanks again for all of your hard work.
overheating is still an issue for the R5 mark II , just sad
It is not movie camera :)
overheating is an issue for *most* cameras
Thanks guys.... Just quick one please. When you say that it makes R5C redundant even with dual native iso on R5c?
I strongly suspect the R5 II will have dual native ISO, it’s just not promoted as such. We’ll be testing for the second gain step once we get a production unit.
- Jordan
@@PetaPixel thank you... Will wait for your detailed review. Great work as always!!
Great discussion. I had put a comment on the r1 video but I'm not sure if you saw it. The face recognition thing has been in the R3 for over a year now; it was added via firmware update a long time back, so even that is not new for Canon. It feels like they were kind of grasping at straws for new features to brag about especially after removing things like pixel shift.
So you guys said basically a camera all comes down to how good a sensor is and that the Z8 sensor is better but on the website review of R5ii against its peers put the Z8 sensor last. Also you seem to think sensor readout speed is the end all be all one thing that makes a camera but unless you're life depends on shooting long burst rates who cares. Also not even mentioned was the R5ii shoots 30fps raw were as the Z8 can only do 30fps jpeg. Of course it'll clear that buffer faster. Maybe bring all the facts to the table next time y'all talk about the Z8.
*It wasn't a 3 year wait for the R1 Flagship, it was much longer than this, closer to 5 years, actually. I think the R1 is a good camera, but well eclipsed by lower priced 6K capable models. Also, not putting 8K resolution video capability on a flagship camera priced over $6K USD, and only using a 24.6 MP sensor is a little underwhelming, IMHO. The R5 MK II OVERHEATS ? Didn't Canon learn anything from fixing the OG R5 ? Again the R5 MK II is underwhelming.*
I have a small fishing line leash for my hotshoe cover. It's the eye cups that really need help on the R3 anyway.
Please tell me you can toggle on and off false color at any time and that it will work while recording like the waveforms 🤞
You mean OM ‘is’ a sushi company?
Canon - trail mix
Nikon - steak and eggs
Sony - lasagna
Leica - Kroken Bush
Hasselblad - chocolate cake
Kodak - crackerjack
Pentax - pretzel and mustard
Hey guys two questions,
Seems to me that this 'R1' may have originally been a R3 mk2 and the fabled R1 global shutter just failed in development, thoughts?
Secind ive been looking around for a new lens for my fuji x-s10 and think ill grab the 50-140 but in looking I realised that the actual lens I want doesnt exist, (my perfect lens would be a 30-90 f2.8 LM with internal zoom. So my question is if you could make your dream lens what would it be and on what mount?
Thanks as always, love your work
it may be they were running different fw because the hw was varied and required different sw to work around those hw differences
Does the new battery give more usable shoot time to shoot to the R5 2? The biggest issue I had with the R5c was the abysmal battery life. It was straight up unusable in the majority of professional settings unless I rigged it out with a Vmount because I was getting sub 40 min of power (not even recording, ~30min or less of actual record time). Unless they fix the battery life, I still would not be able to recommend this camera to any professional video shooter.
I've been shooting Canon since 2003. I switched to Sony this year (from 1dx to a9). I still prefer SLR, however I didn't feel supported by Canon (or the rest of the industry) in that regard. Their mirrorless remain underwhelming for what I shoot (predominantly automotive photos, pans in particular) and since I was switching my lenses I didn't mind switching brands. I'm so bummed to see the R1 specs, and I don't regret leaving Canon. Sony still feels alien in my hands, but it gets the job done. I hope Canon can right the ship. I'd love to go back.
Dang it, if I knew Chris was in Arizona we could have fly fished the urban canals for Carp
Truths told!!! Thanks for the info
I like PetaPixel because they give very honest reviews. Upon reading the spec sheets on both cameras I found myself to be very underwhelmed with the release. I'm a diehard canon guy but, as mentioned in the video, these bodies are not the most competitive bodies in the market especially when you look at what Nikon and Sony are doing. However, I'm hopeful that with more official firmware and hands on reviews, the sentiments towards these bodies will improve.
I think a lot of canon users were hoping for a minimum megapixel size of 28 megapixels resolution, with low light improvements and improved dynamic range over the R3.
How is the R5 mkIi AF compared to R6 Mk Ii? I was waiting to sell mine and switch to R5 but the lack of AF features on R5 did not make sense. Is R5 mk Ii worth selling R6 Mk Ii to switch over to? Or investing more in lenses instead with R6 Mk Ii will be a better bang for buck. I'm mostly into wildlife photography.
I pre-ordered the R5ii today but I'm having second thoughts and might switch to the A9iii, which I've been thinking about for a few months. I was underwhelmed today but intrigued by the autofocus. Knowing that they fired Rudy Winston makes me far more likely to switch to Sony, though. Not seeing him on video today at the launch felt weird.
When I saw all the videos and working in PR myself, my immediate reaction was: What a cheapskate, poorly-executed, lackluster press event. Interesting to hear that you pretty much confirm this impression. The news of the layoffs are a real bummer and a sign of bad corporate culture.
As an existing Canon R5 shooter, I am still looking forward to the Mk. II with some anticipation and gonna buy one. The inclusion of eye-control AF and the new AF system, the faster than before reading-out sensor while maintaining the excellent (and for me industry leading) ergonomics and interface still make it a worthwhile upgrade. I still really like the Canon L-lenses, too. But they are so expensive.
On the other hand: When I am looking over to a Z8 and especially the excellent lenses Nikon offer in all price ranges, the (third-party) lens lineup that Sony has, I am constantly wondering, if I made the right choice.
It’s crazy they aren’t releasing the r1 till November