As a Muslim for the past couple of months I have been interested in learning about Christianity more and more especially when you don’t watch the Christian vs Muslim debates on UA-cam. Most of the time you don’t learn nothing from those debates and it just becomes who’s louder or who says something “smarter”. So when you watch from actual Christian believers and what they teach and how they practice their faith then you learn way more and understand where they are coming from. May God bless you 👍🏾
@@TesterBoy Particularly the "opinion" of St Paul at 1Cor7:25-34 in groomed error purporting presuming separation of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ and consecrated male female marriage vowed to God when inseparable and qualitatively equal.
I shot off to Amazon and purchased "Rebel in thd Ranks" for starters. So looking gorward to reading it. I dtudied this era of history for my Leaving Certificate back in 1980-82 and found it thoroughly engrossing. Dr Brad's lecture is 'fleshing' it out for me. I have also been blessed by a number of years in 'Protestant' churches but always had 'question marks at the back of my mind. G Ire
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity? Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
@@Stupidityindex Yes. Faith not having its inseparability and qualitative equality kept in uncertainty of belief with thinking is worthless as attempting processes of economic "trades" without non-economic progress. Another sign in reality would be Job at Job: 41:1-6 if replacing "know" with in uncertainty believe.
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity? Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
I very much liked the initial 90% of the lecture. The dear professor does seem to wander a bit outside his area of expertise when speculating about climate science and the morals of wealth or consumerism. He is certainly free to do so. I hope he "stays in his lane" where his conclusions are more supported by certifiable facts. He seems like a very good speaker and I'll get the books
Excellent lecture - a ton of information delivered in a very digestible form. The point about successful propagation of religion being dependent on political power is one that is often under emphasized. For example, at the beginning of the Thirty Years War, one of the bloodiest conflicts in pre Twentieth Century European history, Pope Paul V (1605 - 1621) provided substantial financial support to the Catholic armies. Unfortunately, Urban VIII (1623 - 1644) who was pontiff for most of the period of the conflict, was a prodigious nepotist, and emptied the Papal treasury with building projects in the Vatican and enriching his family. Had Urban provided that same level of support to the Catholic forces as had Paul perhaps most of Germany would be Catholic today.
to AlgyPug, Yes. "dependent" instead of inseparable and qualitatively equal procreation gift role processes in consecrated marriages, celibate and male female in the keeping in uncertainty of belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of these marriages. This keeping exercises an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of ensuring procreation gift role processes and insuring identity in need of progress in union as a double keeping resulting in a triple keeping in uncertainty of belief as trinitarian. This triple keeping is the multiplier of economic gift processes and non-economic need of progress as the "I AM WHO I AM" at Exodus 3:14. This keeping worldwide in "relative time and space" (Einstein, c.1907) under the "Uncertainty Principle" (Heisenberg, 1927) awaited diagnosis of a "worldwide catastrophe [of] the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid" (Pope Francis in his valid consecrated celibate marriage, 10 June 2021, 10 June 2016) for appreciation of the remedy by Pope Francis' consecrated celibate marriage on 17 June 2021. This remedy was by Pope Francis' consecrated celibate marriage keeping in uncertainty of his belief on 17 June 2021 the inseparability and qualitative equality both of its gift role processes and its need of progress in union of its identity and of these roles' inseparability and qualitative equality with roles of his Vatican state in the Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other citizens/employees embezzlements case and the Italian Parliament in the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill unacceptable risk of fraud case as this third keeping in uncertainty of belief as a triple trinitarian keeping of the identities of the Three Persons of the Trinity in withstanding extreme tensions caused by nepotism such as of Pope Urban V111.
@@oliverclark5604 Yes - while your ontolipathy is somewhat challenging I find your conclusions a little tendentious. While the essence of trinitarianism is certainly not in any sense diphragenous any form of union , either ontological or speculative, must be assessed on its own appropriate basis. While due deference to the Holy Spirit should remove any unpleasant uncertainty, i htink we should be wary of subscribing to any over-explicative sense of authorisation.
The replies here are grammatically unclear & confusing as are multiple logical leaps & presumptions not to mention a lot of specialised terminology out of context. I suspect that even the exceptionally small number of people who think they are following this tete-a-tete may have very different ideas about the other person's actually saying.🙄
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity? Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
Wondering if you could corroborate my admittedly shallow internet search which says there were at least 2 reformers prior to Luther; namely, Jan Hus and John Wycliffe?
The reformation is largely a northern European project, that like the NAZI project and the green project elevates purity above all else, As JPII noted the problem started when the university intellectuals were given a totally undeserved status.
It seems to me to be a historical rejection by the Germanic tribes going all the way to the Romans. A battle that has repeatedly played out over the years.
I must say, there seems to be a “spirit” over Germany that is interesting to observe. As a people, they have been very good developing engineering, among other things; yet, there is an incredible rebellious streak in its history.
@@harleymann2086 When the flooding occurred in Germany a few years ago I was struck by the competent response of the service professionals and the total incompetence of the political establishment who ignored clear warnings and the blamed global warming.
@@derkennedy1228 Interesting is it not? The contrary behaviour of this people. Their ability to “make it happen” and their ability to easily buy into political ideology. I bet this goes way back into medieval times. Thanks for your comment.
Your framing of the medieval age stood out. But why does Luther always appear out of no-where? He was taught by Nominalists who wanted more focus on the Bible. The seeds of the Reformation began with these people who rejected scholasticism.
Had the protestant reformation not happened, or had been suppressed, do you believe that the church would have reformed itself to eliminate its own corruption and dogma?
I do believe the Church behaviour at the time would have changed eventually; primarily because countries would have different governments and create a different culture over time. That said, I do believe the Reformation was used by God to separate Catholic Christians from the rebels in the Church.
There were several attempts at reforming the romanist church before Luther. Also were several attempts to distribute the scriptures in the common language. The Roman Church failed to reform itself. And now there is a pope who claims to follow Christ but is actually a socialist.
I see the revolution of the 1960s stemming from the fact that its only 20 years after the war. Children growing up (teens and older) in the 60s were born of men who came through WWII m- men who were traumatised and could not relate ir parent well. The reaching out in thd 60s was an expression of anger against parents who could not emote/were shut down. Then they reached for self comfort in all its extensions.... imo. G Ire
I would add in the assassination of President Kennedy which, in my mind, cut our country adrift from its mooring, plunged us into uncertainty and fear for the future, and was followed quickly by the large buildup of our involvement in the war in Vietnam. Fertile ground for anger and protest.
There was a genuine move of God awakening people to the futility of their works, the gratuity of salvation in Christ, the comfort and assurance available in Christ, and the many errors, corruptions, and abuses that were pervasive throughout the Church. Protestants took that one way, and it's not entirely their fault. The Church could have taken a motherly approach, both correcting Protestant errors while affirming everything it could that was good and true in the Protestant view. Instead, it took an approach that was virtually as hostile as possible, and made its self seem quite opposed to the truths Protestants cherished, and this disappointed the evangelical Catholics who stayed loyal but were hoping for the Church to affirm those things. Anyways, I point these things out to correct my fellow Catholics in the comments
You are sadly misinformed. The church did treat the obstinate reformers with mildness and were met with derision and sophist arguments. The church never did then or now teach a gospel of salvation by works! The church needed reform,but in administration and clerical abuses but Not in doctrine. Before Luther, Calvin, zwingle and the rest of the self proclaimed ultimate authorities...you don't find Christians believing their doctrines of the solas anywhere going all the way back to the apostles. Theirs was a new heretofore unheard of religion based on twisting Scripture to fit their doctrines. Either 12:44 12:44 that or God simply let the church he founded believe a false gospel for fifteen hundred years! Read the early church fathers and you'll see the Catholic Church then and now! You can't find a protestant anywhere before Luther!
@@marknovetske4738 Actually, "faith alone" is how most Catholics understood Paul. Including Pope Saint Clement, Saint Augustine, Saint Ambrose, Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, Saint Thomas Aquinas, etc. And the Church in no way took a moderate approach to the Reformers. Even at the beginning of the Reformation, when Luther was only protesting abusive indulgences, the Church was completely unwilling to even discuss the matter with him, but simply demanded that he recant or be excommunicated. You can only say "the Church never taught we need to earn salvation" etc, because you are a contemporary Catholic, taught the faith by contemporary apologists, who have convinced you that the current dogmas are the way the Church always taught things. But the Church did not even have a dogma concerning salvation at the time of the Reformation. There was a diversity of approaches, and the message the common lay person heard, was that Heaven was only for those who became holy enough for it by atoning for their sins, etc.
Sorry, but no, NOT at all. From the first sentence that was full of false stereotypes about the teachings of the Church pre-Luther & the dubious or let's say confusing phrase futility of works which caused a lot of error & was rightly clarified & corrected by the Council of Trent as is agreed by the modern Lutheran and Catholic Churches. Salvation only through God's grace is & always was Catholic doctrine and the direct correlation between politics, and commerce, and schism with the Church rather than any divine inspiration was absolutely clear. The reply to you about the initial mild response of the Church to Luther is very true; the 2nd reply denying this woefully misguided and uninformed. Luther did NOT initially only protest abuse of indulgences (which the Church ALREADY taught was wrong but sadly still practiced by many individuals) most of the points he raised were immediately accepted & corrected but Luther then openly started to argue religious beliefs of his own (though not his belief in polygamous marriage) including that some of the universally recognised Canon of the Bible for over 1200yrs should be removed as these disagreed with his outlook (so much for sola scriptura, but that itself is not ascriptural teaching) but despite stating much of this in front of the Pope and Cardinals he was still not excommunicated or punished for some time while gathering financial and political support.
@@josephodoherty7864 the Church didn't even have an official teaching on salvation before Trent. Id suggest doing some reading on the lives of cardinals Gasparo Contarini and Reginald Pole.
John 3:14 KJV "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the SON OF MAN (CHRIST) be lifted up: 15 That whosoever believes in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life. 16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believes in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life. 17 For GOD sent not HIS SON into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through HIM might be saved. 18 He that believes on HIM is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the NAME of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD."Note: A true Christian is not condemned but has everlasting life therefore if you do not know where you will immediately go when you die then you deny what CHRIST said therefore you deny CHRIST.
Comment for traction. With him on environmental stewardship but i would’ve liked to see a more nuanced reflection on globalization and economic development. Millions have been lifted out of poverty by globalization and cheap goods leads to rising living standards across the board. Its complication as there are downsides too, obviously. But countries that have cheap labor often have a comparative advantage in a labor which can lead to their economic development and all the resulting benefits: improved infrastructure, increased education male and female, lower infant mortality, better nutrition and medicine etc.
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity? Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
Waiting to see equations about the way that the spread of commerce led to rivalry for markets, to scientific developments, to seaborne empires. as well as land based empires, To he Industrialization and to ideologies like Marxism in re opposition to the capitalis and its practices.
Not at all bizarre and well within the scope of the unexpected or negligent long term effects of an extreme materialistic take on the industrial and post-industrial revolution. Some people are still in a fairytale state of denial about climate concerns.
Agreed. Governments of countries decided what religions would be permitted in the state. I suppose one can say the same thing is happening today (ex politically correct ideology).
48:00 Certainly Rome allowed religious freedom as long as it knew its place, although not sure it was written into the constitution- so to speak. Edit: ah, see you mentioned the Dutch,also. U.S. first to guarantee it.
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity? Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
I don't think you are actually being fair about the lack of education by the laity and the clergy. The university system was only coming into existence at the time of the reformation. And there were bishops who were pushing for theological training for priests. And the church and the Pope had many hundreds of years before band charging of the laiety for services by priests. But the Pope had no way to know and enforce abuses in far flung dioceses ,scattered across Europe.
@@frisco61 my response would be that (I) Protestants relationship to the Bible seems closer to the Quran’s claim to be the verbatim word of God and (II) iconoclasm in Christian historyseems to be a direct response to iconoclasm in Islam.
@@frisco61Lloyd De Jong had a good presentation about Protestant princes receiving financial aid from Suleyman of the Ottoman Empire to establish Lutheranism in Germany and Netherlands. He cites all his sources.
As a Muslim for the past couple of months I have been interested in learning about Christianity more and more especially when you don’t watch the Christian vs Muslim debates on UA-cam. Most of the time you don’t learn nothing from those debates and it just becomes who’s louder or who says something “smarter”. So when you watch from actual Christian believers and what they teach and how they practice their faith then you learn way more and understand where they are coming from. May God bless you 👍🏾
Read the Bible for yourself and God will guide you. Never trust anyone else’s opinion!
@@TesterBoyI do read the Bible I do believe a lot of the things in the Bible are true 🤷🏾♂️ but not all of it
@@TesterBoy Particularly the "opinion" of St Paul at 1Cor7:25-34 in groomed error purporting presuming separation of consecrated celibate marriage vowed to man in Christ and consecrated male female marriage vowed to God when inseparable and qualitatively equal.
I shot off to Amazon and purchased "Rebel in thd Ranks" for starters. So looking gorward to reading it. I dtudied this era of history for my Leaving Certificate back in 1980-82 and found it thoroughly engrossing. Dr Brad's lecture is 'fleshing' it out for me. I have also been blessed by a number of years in 'Protestant' churches but always had 'question marks at the back of my mind. G Ire
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity?
Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
@@Stupidityindex Yes. Faith not having its inseparability and qualitative equality kept in uncertainty of belief with thinking is worthless as attempting processes of economic "trades" without non-economic progress. Another sign in reality would be Job at Job: 41:1-6 if replacing "know" with in uncertainty believe.
Amazing conttent! Thanks so much for this upload. Whatching from Brazil. 🇧🇷🙏
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity?
Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
I very much liked the initial 90% of the lecture. The dear professor does seem to wander a bit outside his area of expertise when speculating about climate science and the morals of wealth or consumerism. He is certainly free to do so. I hope he "stays in his lane" where his conclusions are more supported by certifiable facts. He seems like a very good speaker and I'll get the books
I read the unintended Reformation,it was a very insightful and informative work.
Wow....great lecture. I have read his books.
I would like a booklist on Luther and the Reformation - thank you for this talk!
Excellent lecture - a ton of information delivered in a very digestible form. The point about successful propagation of religion being dependent on political power is one that is often under emphasized. For example, at the beginning of the Thirty Years War, one of the bloodiest conflicts in pre Twentieth Century European history, Pope Paul V (1605 - 1621) provided substantial financial support to the Catholic armies. Unfortunately, Urban VIII (1623 - 1644) who was pontiff for most of the period of the conflict, was a prodigious nepotist, and emptied the Papal treasury with building projects in the Vatican and enriching his family. Had Urban provided that same level of support to the Catholic forces as had Paul perhaps most of Germany would be Catholic today.
to AlgyPug, Yes. "dependent" instead of inseparable and qualitatively equal procreation gift role processes in consecrated marriages, celibate and male female in the keeping in uncertainty of belief the inseparability and qualitative equality of these marriages.
This keeping exercises an absolute power of simultaneous authorisations of ensuring procreation gift role processes and insuring identity in need of progress in union as a double keeping resulting in a triple keeping in uncertainty of belief as trinitarian.
This triple keeping is the multiplier of economic gift processes and non-economic need of progress as the "I AM WHO I AM" at Exodus 3:14.
This keeping worldwide in "relative time and space" (Einstein, c.1907) under the "Uncertainty Principle" (Heisenberg, 1927) awaited diagnosis of a "worldwide catastrophe [of] the great majority of sacramental marriages are invalid" (Pope Francis in his valid consecrated celibate marriage, 10 June 2021, 10 June 2016) for appreciation of the remedy by Pope Francis' consecrated celibate marriage on 17 June 2021.
This remedy was by Pope Francis' consecrated celibate marriage keeping in uncertainty of his belief on 17 June 2021 the inseparability and qualitative equality both of its gift role processes and its need of progress in union of its identity and of these roles' inseparability and qualitative equality with roles of his Vatican state in the Cardinal Angelo Becciu and nine other citizens/employees embezzlements case and the Italian Parliament in the "Zan" anti-homophobia bill unacceptable risk of fraud case as this third keeping in uncertainty of belief as a triple trinitarian keeping of the identities of the Three Persons of the Trinity in withstanding extreme tensions caused by nepotism such as of Pope Urban V111.
@@oliverclark5604 Yes - while your ontolipathy is somewhat challenging I find your conclusions a little tendentious. While the essence of trinitarianism is certainly not in any sense diphragenous any form of union , either ontological or speculative, must be assessed on its own appropriate basis. While due deference to the Holy Spirit should remove any unpleasant uncertainty, i htink we should be wary of subscribing to any over-explicative sense of authorisation.
The replies here are grammatically unclear & confusing as are multiple logical leaps & presumptions not to mention a lot of specialised terminology out of context. I suspect that even the exceptionally small number of people who think they are following this tete-a-tete may have very different ideas about the other person's actually saying.🙄
Brilliant exposé Dr. Brad. Thank you. G Ire
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity?
Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
Guy is really good. Gonna have to check out his books.
Brilliant. Thank you.
Wondering if you could corroborate my admittedly shallow internet search which says there were at least 2 reformers prior to Luther; namely, Jan Hus and John Wycliffe?
there seems to be a resurrection of faith at least by men
greetings from Austria !
The reformation is largely a northern European project, that like the NAZI project and the green project elevates purity above all else, As JPII noted the problem started when the university intellectuals were given a totally undeserved status.
It seems to me to be a historical rejection by the Germanic tribes going all the way to the Romans. A battle that has repeatedly played out over the years.
I must say, there seems to be a “spirit” over Germany that is interesting to observe. As a people, they have been very good developing engineering, among other things; yet, there is an incredible rebellious streak in its history.
@@harleymann2086 When the flooding occurred in Germany a few years ago I was struck by the competent response of the service professionals and the total incompetence of the political establishment who ignored clear warnings and the blamed global warming.
@@derkennedy1228 Interesting is it not? The contrary behaviour of this people. Their ability to “make it happen” and their ability to easily buy into political ideology. I bet this goes way back into medieval times. Thanks for your comment.
Easily buy into new, untested political ideology.
Your framing of the medieval age stood out. But why does Luther always appear out of no-where? He was taught by Nominalists who wanted more focus on the Bible. The seeds of the Reformation began with these people who rejected scholasticism.
Had the protestant reformation not happened, or had been suppressed, do you believe that the church would have reformed itself to eliminate its own corruption and dogma?
Eliminate its dogma?
I do believe the Church behaviour at the time would have changed eventually; primarily because countries would have different governments and create a different culture over time. That said, I do believe the Reformation was used by God to separate Catholic Christians from the rebels in the Church.
Do you know want dogma is?
You mean its doctrines that don’t coincide with the authority of the Bible.
There were several attempts at reforming the romanist church before Luther. Also were several attempts to distribute the scriptures in the common language. The Roman Church failed to reform itself. And now there is a pope who claims to follow Christ but is actually a socialist.
I see the revolution of the 1960s stemming from the fact that its only 20 years after the war. Children growing up (teens and older) in the 60s were born of men who came through WWII m- men who were traumatised and could not relate ir parent well. The reaching out in thd 60s was an expression of anger against parents who could not emote/were shut down. Then they reached for self comfort in all its extensions.... imo. G Ire
I would add in the assassination of President Kennedy which, in my mind, cut our country adrift from its mooring, plunged us into uncertainty and fear for the future, and was followed quickly by the large buildup of our involvement in the war in Vietnam. Fertile ground for anger and protest.
There was a genuine move of God awakening people to the futility of their works, the gratuity of salvation in Christ, the comfort and assurance available in Christ, and the many errors, corruptions, and abuses that were pervasive throughout the Church. Protestants took that one way, and it's not entirely their fault. The Church could have taken a motherly approach, both correcting Protestant errors while affirming everything it could that was good and true in the Protestant view. Instead, it took an approach that was virtually as hostile as possible, and made its self seem quite opposed to the truths Protestants cherished, and this disappointed the evangelical Catholics who stayed loyal but were hoping for the Church to affirm those things. Anyways, I point these things out to correct my fellow Catholics in the comments
You are sadly misinformed. The church did treat the obstinate reformers with mildness and were met with derision and sophist arguments. The church never did then or now teach a gospel of salvation by works! The church needed reform,but in administration and clerical abuses but Not in doctrine. Before Luther, Calvin, zwingle and the rest of the self proclaimed ultimate authorities...you don't find Christians believing their doctrines of the solas anywhere going all the way back to the apostles. Theirs was a new heretofore unheard of religion based on twisting Scripture to fit their doctrines. Either 12:44 12:44 that or God simply let the church he founded believe a false gospel for fifteen hundred years! Read the early church fathers and you'll see the Catholic Church then and now! You can't find a protestant anywhere before Luther!
@@marknovetske4738you could find plenty of heretics, though.
@@marknovetske4738 Actually, "faith alone" is how most Catholics understood Paul. Including Pope Saint Clement, Saint Augustine, Saint Ambrose, Saint John Chrysostom, Saint Bernard of Clairvaux, Saint Thomas Aquinas, etc.
And the Church in no way took a moderate approach to the Reformers. Even at the beginning of the Reformation, when Luther was only protesting abusive indulgences, the Church was completely unwilling to even discuss the matter with him, but simply demanded that he recant or be excommunicated.
You can only say "the Church never taught we need to earn salvation" etc, because you are a contemporary Catholic, taught the faith by contemporary apologists, who have convinced you that the current dogmas are the way the Church always taught things. But the Church did not even have a dogma concerning salvation at the time of the Reformation. There was a diversity of approaches, and the message the common lay person heard, was that Heaven was only for those who became holy enough for it by atoning for their sins, etc.
Sorry, but no, NOT at all. From the first sentence that was full of false stereotypes about the teachings of the Church pre-Luther & the dubious or let's say confusing phrase futility of works which caused a lot of error & was rightly clarified & corrected by the Council of Trent as is agreed by the modern Lutheran and Catholic Churches. Salvation only through God's grace is & always was Catholic doctrine and the direct correlation between politics, and commerce, and schism with the Church rather than any divine inspiration was absolutely clear.
The reply to you about the initial mild response of the Church to Luther is very true; the 2nd reply denying this woefully misguided and uninformed. Luther did NOT initially only protest abuse of indulgences (which the Church ALREADY taught was wrong but sadly still practiced by many individuals) most of the points he raised were immediately accepted & corrected but Luther then openly started to argue religious beliefs of his own (though not his belief in polygamous marriage) including that some of the universally recognised Canon of the Bible for over 1200yrs should be removed as these disagreed with his outlook (so much for sola scriptura, but that itself is not ascriptural teaching) but despite stating much of this in front of the Pope and Cardinals he was still not excommunicated or punished for some time while gathering financial and political support.
@@josephodoherty7864 the Church didn't even have an official teaching on salvation before Trent. Id suggest doing some reading on the lives of cardinals Gasparo Contarini and Reginald Pole.
John 3:14 KJV "And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the SON OF MAN (CHRIST) be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believes in HIM should not perish, but have eternal life.
16 For GOD so loved the world, that HE gave HIS ONLY BEGOTTEN SON, that whosoever believes in HIM should not perish, but have everlasting life.
17 For GOD sent not HIS SON into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through HIM might be saved.
18 He that believes on HIM is not condemned: but he that believes not is condemned already, because he has not believed in the NAME of the ONLY BEGOTTEN SON OF GOD."Note: A true Christian is not condemned but has everlasting life therefore if you do not know where you will immediately go when you die then you deny what CHRIST said therefore you deny CHRIST.
Comment for traction. With him on environmental stewardship but i would’ve liked to see a more nuanced reflection on globalization and economic development. Millions have been lifted out of poverty by globalization and cheap goods leads to rising living standards across the board. Its complication as there are downsides too, obviously. But countries that have cheap labor often have a comparative advantage in a labor which can lead to their economic development and all the resulting benefits: improved infrastructure, increased education male and female, lower infant mortality, better nutrition and medicine etc.
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity?
Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
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Waiting to see equations about the way that the spread of commerce led to rivalry for markets, to scientific developments, to seaborne empires. as well as land based empires, To he Industrialization and to ideologies like Marxism in re opposition to the capitalis and its practices.
Marx was motivated by Satanism. Watch the recent discussion Jordan Peterson had with Dr. Paul Kengor. He had no care for the poor in any deep way.
the midstream flex to climate change was both bizarre and saddening
Not at all bizarre and well within the scope of the unexpected or negligent long term effects of an extreme materialistic take on the industrial and post-industrial revolution. Some people are still in a fairytale state of denial about climate concerns.
Wow, great insights here. "You cannot serve God and Mamon"
Agreed. Governments of countries decided what religions would be permitted in the state. I suppose one can say the same thing is happening today (ex politically correct ideology).
Breaking new Christ is an equation for the universe and everything in it and the equation has been found the first symbol is, B
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48:00 Certainly Rome allowed religious freedom as long as it knew its place, although not sure it was written into the constitution- so to speak. Edit: ah, see you mentioned the Dutch,also. U.S. first to guarantee it.
Is there a greater arrogance than expressing you have some sort of relationship with a deity?
Question: How can you possibly take faith seriously? How can anyone in their right mind ask others to believe in the existence of a Deity who makes Mormons so Christians will know how Jews feel, having had their literature hijacked. Nothing fails like prayers in a children's hospital & indoctrinating children is criminal. The faith vocabulary causes the user to be avoided like the old woman with too many cats. Faith "comes not with peace, but sword." Faith comes with wolves dressed as sheep & preaching to the choir. Faith trades the last cow for a pocketful of magic beans & then expects everyone's appreciation. Jesus said, it is a wicked generations which seeks signs such as resurrection. Faith is as worthless as fantasyland magic, since you can't tell mountains to move. The only sign in reality is Jonah: A believer murdered by other believers because he is outnumbered. The context is Jesus seeing a gathering crowd.
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I don't think you are actually being fair about the lack of education by the laity and the clergy. The university system was only coming into existence at the time of the reformation. And there were bishops who were pushing for theological training for priests. And the church and the Pope had many hundreds of years before band charging of the laiety for services by priests. But the Pope had no way to know and enforce abuses in far flung dioceses ,scattered across Europe.
real root of reformation is islam
Interesting, how?
Just another heresy.
@@frisco61 my response would be that (I) Protestants relationship to the Bible seems closer to the Quran’s claim to be the verbatim word of God and (II) iconoclasm in Christian historyseems to be a direct response to iconoclasm in Islam.
@@frisco61Lloyd De Jong had a good presentation about Protestant princes receiving financial aid from Suleyman of the Ottoman Empire to establish Lutheranism in Germany and Netherlands. He cites all his sources.
link, please? @@alisterrebelo9013
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Tbe catholic church is the great harlot of Revelation chapter 17.
Please let us have your basis for such a ridiculous statement.
So, the Harlot formed your Bible? 'Sola Harlot Bible'.
Chapter 17 in Revelation and the truth of The Holy Spirit.
The harlot changed The Word of God. Graven images are an offense to God.