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- You may have wondered about the Mormon practice called baptism for the dead. What is it? Why does it matter? Let’s talk about it.
2000 years ago, Jesus went to the Jordan River and was baptized by immersion, lowered fully under the water, by John the Baptist. By doing this, Jesus showed us two things: first, that each of us needs to be baptized as He was; second, a baptism must be performed by somebody with authority from God. But here’s the problem. What about those millions of people who died without baptism, or who were baptized but without proper authority?
Thats where Mormon temples and the practice of baptism for the dead come in.
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The fact that they didn't desable the comments is very brave 😯
It gives us a chance to help others to understand more about what is spoken on the video.
True. It shows their not against free speech...
@@korvaamiko66 Freedom of speech isn't the concern here. Of course the Church supports not only the Constitution of the United States but also the principle of agency, which is very much related to liberty. However, having the legal right to express oneself doesn't mean that we can do so everywhere. This is a moderated comments section, so some comments that are particularly offensive will not be approved. People who want to make those kinds of comments are still free to do so, but they will have to find some other forum. It's similar to us having our own private property and dictating who is welcome there.
not really.
when you speak the truth, you have no fear.
Or stupid, guess the power of discernment isn't working
Baptism is for those who heard and believed Gospel and have repented
and a VOLUNTARY act done PUBLICLY as declaration of one's membership of the Christian community
@@daveyork0 Or performed by proxy and voluntarily accepted or rejected by the dead, who can no longer receive the ordinance with their own bodies
Note that those who died without the gospel of Jesus Christ can be taught in the spirit world and that is why they can accept the mortal baptism, by proxy
Jeff Smith and what if they are from another Christain denomination and already baptised? I’m a Roman Catholic and I wouldn’t appreciated being baptised after im deceased. Once Baptised it is final and cannot be repeated, God is God of the living not God of the dead.
@@blessedbeford6130 so you think there are more Gods than God?
For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
1 Cor. 15:29
Angel Salvador put that verse into its proper context, and it paints a whole different story.
Sure, Paul only mentions the Corinthian practice in passing whilst arguing for the reality of the resurrection, but in a letter chock-full of condemnations of their practices, you could argue it comes off as an affirmation.
Viewing the words 'they' and 'we' are critical in this context. In all of Paul's letters, he used 'we' for Christ following Christians and 'they' for other churches and unbelievers. He's clearly not referring to baptism as a critical life saving act for human souls. He does not tell them to practice it!!
@@binren3984 You are wrong. Baptisms for the dead are necessary. It isn't that one scripture, it is how Christ preached to the dead, which is mentioned in numerous Bible passages. And if you read the whole chapter it does talk about the resurrection. If the resurrection wouldn't happen then baptisms for the dead would not be necessary, but we do rise, and so they are necessary. This is why the gospel was preached to those that are dead.
@@binren3984 You're adding extra "context" that isn't there. In many cases Paul corrected members of the Church through his epistles, and yet he issued no correction at all relating to baptisms for the dead, but rather used the Christian practice of proxy baptism to explain resurrection. Regardless of whether God "needs man's help", He has told men to do many things for Him.
Those who doesn't understand this doctrine completely we ask you to "ask" God the very Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ if these things are not true having a real intent and you will receive answer by the power of the Holy Ghost. James 1:5-6
God loves all of his children, he provides an opportunity for all his children to obtain salvation.
Jesus Christ is the only answer and the only way of salvation
J 1luv4God actually baptism is a REQUIREMENT for salvation [ Mark 16:16 ] do you think that a loving God gives the opportunity to be saved, ONLY to those who have the good fortune to be born in Christian nations?
If your parents were born and died in a nation, where preaching the gospel of Christ is forbidden , would you feel that it's fair for your parents to spend eternity in Hell, because they never had the opportunity to hear and either accept or reject the gospell of Christ?
Everyone please GOOGLE Why Do We Baptize For The Dead? LDS.org
Are you really questioning his love . total false and manipulation
@@robertmelcher904 What about the thief on the cross? He mocked Jesus and then rebuked. He wasn't baptized................
What a wonderful comment, and what strange misunderstanding in some of the replies. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints accept Jesus Christ as our savior--the only way to salvation. Christ himself taught of the necessity of baptism during His mortal ministry as described in the Bible. Through baptism we accept Christ as our savior and covenant with God to follow Christ as His disciples. We perform baptisms by proxy for the dead so that they have the opportunity to do the same.
I'm evangelical and I have never heard of this until yesterday when a Mormon friend called me and told me he was excited to be named a person who can baptize the dead. I nearly fell over in a faint. I do not believe in this practice at all. God give us choices when we're alive, and I believe that before people die, they are ALL given the right to chose to be baptized or not.
Billions of people on this earth have never heard of Chirst, or had the opportunity to be baptized, yet they may be saved by Christ if they learn of the gospel and accept it in the next life.
I'm not Mormon but this was practiced ( mentioned) in the new testament.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
The New Testament indicates that baptisms for the dead were done during the time of the Apostle Paul (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). This ordinance was restored with the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.
Because He is a loving God, the Lord does not damn those people who, through no fault of their own, never had the opportunity for baptism. He has therefore authorized baptisms to be performed by proxy for them.
Salvation is individual, only that who believes on the Lord Jesus Christ shall be saved, "So then one of us shall give account of himself to God".
Yes! And yet we have many opportunities to serve God by serving each other.
Jay Britton Fisher not Biblical
@@FormerMPSGT Your comment is unfortunately short, so I don't know what your concern is.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
Hebrews 9:27
Just as people are destined to die once, and after that to face judgment
It's going to be more than a thousand years before they face final judgement after our death. So for those who have passed away and never had the chance to hear the truth, will have the chance to hear the truth. All men and women will have the chance to hear the truth and free agency is given upon them to choose to either accept the Savior or to reject the Savior. Therefore, at the final judgement, one will stand before God and accept the judgement as is passed on to the one, because He or She had heard the truth and will decided for themselves.
@@korvaamiko66 Because they are present to make the choice for themselves and express that choice to the authorized servants of God. Frankly, it's also a lot of work, and there would be no reason to do so if we know that they do not desire it. We cannot know that when they cannot communicate with us, but the living can tell us.
Meaning that the resurrection is not biblical?
This is what Jesus Christ Said in John 5
25 Verily, verily, I say unto you, The hour is coming, and now is, when the dead shall hear the voice of the Son of God: and they that hear shall live.
26 For as the Father hath life in himself; so hath he given to the Son to have life in himself;
27 And hath given him authority to execute judgment also, because he is the Son of man.
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.
30 I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.
31 If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.
32 There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.
@@RobbieIsbell even the ones that have passed away before known our heavenly father will be taught the truth 💯
For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:
19 By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:
1 Peter 3:18-21
Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.
John 3:5
Angel Salvador gotta love them proof texts
@@binren3984 His apostles did, and they also said that Christ preached to the dead. There are multiple verses that teach that.
That is true that is why also those who have not the chance to be baptized during their life have a chance to receive it through baptism for the dead.. Isn't it manifest the Love of our Almighty God for us?.. How lovely to know that God prepared a way and give us chances to choose and Follow Him. How lovely it is to know that even His gospel was preached among the dead (1 peter 3: 19-20; 1 Peter 4: 4-6) ;)
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
Priesthood baptism isn't biblical. John the Baptist was the only one baptising at the time.
Early passages in the book of John mention Jesus and his disciples baptizing at different times also.
This is great ! Perhaps needs an update not saying mormon and including the scriptures 1 Peter 3:18-20 1 Peter 4:6 and 1 Corinthians 15:29! Especially the last scripture Else what shall they do which are Baptized for the Dead!
How is it determined whether a dead person was "properly baptized"? You can't tell that by researching someone on Ancestry.com (which is affiliated with the mormon church)....
Its on familysearch.org. i dont believe in baptism for the dead though. God bless.
@@spenroze892 Do you believe in baptism for the living?
When you hold a recommend and are at least 12 years old you can go to the temple and do baptism by proxy for the dead. Then the deceased relatives can decide whether to accept the work or decline it.
Hi Lynn, we apologize for being slow answering your question. FamilySearch.org is the Church's nonprofit family history organization and accounts are free and available to the public. As described in this video, members of the Church are able to complete temple ordinances like baptism for the dead for deceased persons to whom they are related, which are then recorded on FamilySearch. According to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject such a baptism - the offering is freely given and must be freely received. The ordinance does not force deceased persons to become members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, nor does the Church list deceased persons as members of the Church. To learn more about FamilySearch, visit newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/familysearch.
So...you can only baptize for the dead in a mormon temple... because it says so where in the bible???!!!
Rogelio Guerrero exactly.
Remember the Mormons also have the book of Mormon as extended scripture and they would say a corrected version of the bible without the influences of men altering the word for their own purposes. Though I am not Mormon so if one felt like correcting my answer that would be fine. Secondly many in the chat have state you can find your answer in the teachings of Paul to the Corinthians.
Hi @Rogelio Guerrero, the New Testament indicates that baptisms for the dead were done during the time of the Apostle Paul (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). This ordinance was restored with the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.You can learn more about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_
@@churchofjesuschrist 1 Corinthians 15:12-24 is to explain how when people die they are either going to Hell or Heaven because there is eternal life. Also that eventually everyone will have a resurrected body when Jesus comes for the second time. Paul was like why should people be baptizing people that are dead if the dead do not live eternally.
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints you have taken it out of context in 1 Corinthians 15:29. Paul is questioning why would you baptize on behalf of people that are dead. When they will be resurrected anyways(if they have declared Jesus as their Lord and Savior), so he wasn’t agreeing with you. But actually disagreeing.
I did today amen and can't nobody take it from me
I want to convert so badly
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Interesting thoughts. I'm surprised you didn't reference Paul's teachings to the Corinthians wherein he reveals to us that Christian's in Paul's time were also baptizing for the deceased. 1 Cor. 15:29 states: Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
That was a pagan practice
He's not talking about Christians. He's making an argument for the Resurrection of the dead and uses it as one argument to say even 'they' (whoever they are) have practises which show a belief in the Resurrection.
@@juliewaller8174 totally agree told a Mormon that .have read scripture in context not twist it .
That's a good point. Thanks for adding it.
@@user-bx2cg2ec8c There is no context stating that it was a pagan practice, so it's strange to suggest otherwise.
Is there a way to find out the names of the dead that have been baptized?
They keep a record so on their site if the person hasn't been baptized yet it'll show a little icon saying that
Family members do research for their own ancestors. The Church keeps records of all ordinances, including proxy ordinances, and the information is visible on FamilySearch.
@@00Fisher00 but how can they know ones heart? Only God does, this is not very biblical.
@@heathsnow731 2:20 explains this more.
@@heathsnow731 It is well-founded in scripture if understood properly. We perform the ordinance, and they have the opportunity to accept or reject it. Even in life if someone rejects Christ in their heart, baptism won't be enough for them, and in death it's no different. However, if they do accept Him, proxy baptism allows them to make the vital baptismal covenant.
If there's one thing us Mormons are good at, it's finding loopholes. My mom's side of the family is Catholic, my dad's side was forever Mormon. We made sure to wait for them to request proxy baptisms and respected the wishes of those who made it clear that they wanted nothing to do with it. I wish all mormons historically would be as respectful and not dunk people they have no relation too.
When you think about it, we're ALL related to one another.
@@chischilisnez7811 fair enough 👌
Why does Jesus Christ told Nicodemus unless a man be born of water & by the spirit he cannot enter the kingdom of God?..then between his death & resurrection he visited those dead that are in prison...
When those in the spirit prison accept Jesus Christ then they still need the baptism in the flesh. That is why they can obtain it by proxy, called baptism for the dead. Someone still alive stands in for them.
So true
Geeze I wish I had a better memory, but I just read recently in the bible that what is bound on earth is bound in heaven. Goes more to do with the sealing, but it does relate in that things done here, will also affect in the after.
When you read the whole chapter it does not support baptism of the dead, in this case as you will be taking it out of context....God bless you though lets have mercy for the lost and be pitiful for those who doubt and continue in the same mind of our Lord Jesus.
Stacy Jepchumba That's not the verse I was looking for. It's in thee Old Testament, about things being done here, are also counted in heaven.....well, something like that anyway.
@@stacyjepchumba4424 You can say that all you want, but when we read it, the context is clear, and the reference to baptism for the dead is still there. In addition, it just makes sense that if baptism is necessary for exaltation (as Jesus taught), that everyone would have the opportunity to receive baptism.
The passages I know of that sound like that are Matthew 16:19 and Matthew 18:18 found here www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/matt/16.19?lang=eng&clang=eng#p18 and here www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/scriptures/nt/matt/18.18?lang=eng&clang=eng#p17 .
@@00Fisher00 it also makes sense that they are baptized, otherwise why would Christ preach to the dead? Just to tell them what they missed then condemn them? nope. He clearly taught that the dead would hear His voice and if they believed on Him, they would be saved. Jus like if we, who are living believe on Him we will be saved. If you truly believe, you will repent and be baptized, otherwise you "cannot enter the kingdom of God."
Can people who have no familial connection with living Mormons receive the gift of baptism?
Church members are instructed to submit names for proxy baptism only for their own deceased relatives as an offering of familial love. You can learn more about baptism for the dead here:www.mormonnewsroom.org/article/baptism-for-the-dead
Eventually, God will give everyone the opportunity, but we do the work now for our ancestors.
@@00Fisher00 How will god give everyone the opportunity if only ancestors of Mormons are getting proxy baptisms?
@@gillianfoxsmith8268 Good question. Right now, the gospel is preached among those who are still living to all who will listen, and when a person joins the Church, they can then research their own ancestors. We can presume that not all family lines will be immediately available just through Church members, though. Also, there are plenty of people for whom earthly records have not been kept. I don't remember the references very well, but as I understand it, records are kept in heaven also, and during the reign of Christ on Earth, we will know more and be able to continue the work. What I do know is that God is both loving and just, so if we need something, He'll make it available to us. This probably isn't the most satisfying answer, but it's what I can give for now. Maybe other commenters will have more to add.
Hebrews 9:27
Authority from God and not authority from men. The priests and the pastors of today have authority from men not God.
The authority of God was lost from the Earth, but then restored in our day and it is found in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. Learn more at ComeUntoChrist.org .
@@korvaamiko66 Of course, that wouldn't be an efficient way of doing things. When God gives His authority to men, we are given opportunities to learn and grow through service. It's a very good thing.
How do you know your leaders aren't just using man's authority? You realize every faith claims they have their authority from God, right?
@@stelladavis7832 Not every faith does, in fact; many people do not inquire about authority at all. We can know the truth of things by asking God Himself, though.
Some devout members that have been baptized for deceased relatives report seeing that relative during or after the ceremony. Could this be interpreted as "familiar sprits" or demons masquerading as that relative?
Perhaps it could be misinterpreted that way by people who do not understand temples.
What about the thief on the cross? was he baptized? What about Cornelius when he received the holy ghost before baptism?
We don't actually have details about whether or not the thief on the cross was baptized. Many people feel the influence of the Holy Ghost before being baptized, and we then continue to be baptized and receive the Gift of the Holy Ghost.
The thief on the cross was told that he would be with christ in "paradise." But what is "paradise" and where is it? Christ and this thief die and they go to "paradise" right? But when Christ is resurrected on the third day what does He say to Mary? "Jesus saith unto her, Touch me not; for I am not yet ascended to my Father: but go to my brethren, and say unto them, I ascend unto my Father, and your Father; and to my God, and your God."
So He went to "paradise" but never went to His Father or heaven? That is exactly right. Paradise is not heaven. Paradise is a place where the dead who have accepted Christ, wait for the resurrection and the judgement. This thief believed in Christ, only on His word, and now would have the opportunity in death, in paradise, to learn of Christ and His gospel and accept Him or not.
1 Peter chapters 3 and 4 speak of Christ preaching the gospel to the dead. It is obvious that this is where Christ went during the time in which He was dead, before His resurrection.
As for Cornelius, the Spirit can come to anyone who diligently seeks Christ... you don't have to belong to any religion for that to happen... but the Spirit will always direct you to Christ's church just as it did Cornelius and his followers.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
I love Holy Bible! 💕😍💕
I used to
"But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence."
~1 Timothy 2:12
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
you came at Gods speed as you always do i was begining to miss you all please yes i will get a babtism but i need to know my marraige will be allowed as a common law wife to my man of 11 years my bros and sisters this was my maJOR CONCERN
Actually the Book of Mormon says priesthood. And if it was from the Bible it was in a Bible translation from the Mormons, as is said in the fist chapter of the Book of Mormon that they believe the Bible as long as it is translated correctly.
What if you don't know the names of your ancestors? Can you still save them?
@John17230, thanks for your question. The Church provides many resources to help both members and non-members of our faith discover their family history. Learn more here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/family-history/getting-started?lang=eng, and feel free to contact missionaries or Church representatives for help at the link below. www.comeuntochrist.org/contact-us
There will be even more done over time to help the living discover exactly who their ancestors are so the work can be done, because some records are hard or not possible to find yet
When Christ comes again there will be a 1000 years of peace where Christ will reign and He will help us connect all of our families and straighten out the lineage of the entire human family. In other words, there will be a lot of temple work. Baptisms for the dead and sealings etc... So if you don't find them in this life, We will figure it out when Christ comes.
Did Jesus practice this baptism of the dead?
@@ChristianApologist1 We don't have any account of Jesus Himself performing a baptism for the dead, though His followers did. Jesus Christ did preach to the spirits in Spirit Prison between the time of His own death and resurrection, though, as mentioned by Peter.
Good video but it needs the scripture from the Bible so people know where to look.
Thanks for your comment, Andrea. You or others interested can learn more about baptisms for the dead, including scriptures in the Bible that teach about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
We love this video
Romans 10:9-10. We are saved by our acceptance of Jesus and his sacrifice only! Baptism is a demonstration of how we died to ourself and were raised to like as Christ. If someone is dead, there is nothing more that can be done. You have to believe, no one can do it for you.
I responded to you underneath someone else's comment, but I'll add more here. Our faith and actions in this life are definitely important, but there absolutely are things that must be done for the dead who were unable to do everything here. Many, many people have lived on this Earth without ever hearing about Jesus Christ, and thus had no opportunity to exercise faith in Him. He visited the Spirit World between His death and resurrection to ensure that those in Spirit Prison could be taught. Refer to 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 4:6 for specific references about that.
1 Peter 3 and 4 disagree with what you just said.
I have a question concerning doctrine. If I don't get married is there any way I see the highest level of the Celestial Kingdom?
It's a doctrine question. Thanks in advance to anyone who knows the answer.
it's to get sealed with your family
This is very new to me.
Hi Marie. The New Testament indicates that baptisms for the dead were done during the time of the Apostle Paul (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). This ordinance was restored with the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You can learn more about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_
This is among the most bizarre things that I have ever heard of
Why would you say that?
How many proxies a one person can make for how many dead people?
There's no limit; as research our family history we sometimes find many deceased relatives who have not had their ordinances performed. We attend to them individually. It's common for people to bring a single relative's name or a group.
The phrase “on behalf of the dead” is not actually in the Greek. The Greek word can mean “for” or “for the sake of,” not “on behalf of.” this is reflected in more modern English translations (NKJV, NABRE, NIV, etc.)
The best explanation I've seen for 1 Corinthians 15:29 goes as follows:
Those who were baptized for the dead were baptized “for” them in the sense of taking their place on the church membership roll. In other words, when believers died (many through martyrdom), new believers came forward to occupy the places left vacant by their absence. Paul’s logic is, why would these new believers put their own lives at risk (knowing that baptism would mark them for martyrdom) if there is no life after death?
Those baptized for the dead were brought to faith in Christ by the testimonies of those now dead. The hope of resurrection espoused by the recently deceased believers continued in the faith of the newly baptized.
I hope this brings a sense of clarity to those that find the LDS interpretation lacking, misinformed or superficial. God Bless.
That's an enormous stretch. Everyone is free to believe what we will. I am grateful for the truths of the Restoration of the Gospel of Jesus Christ that include the proxy work we do for the dead, started by Jesus Christ Himself when He began the teaching of the spirits in Spirit Prison as taught in the 1 Peter.
Baptism of the dead is when example a person who is 8 or older died without getting baptised will be baptised by us the living
we can even baptised are ancestors who did not got baptised but you will baptised any person who is dead once you reached 12- + .Baptisim is a key to enter celestial kingdom .
Is there a way that some one can be a proxy 🤔
What would be the process
Hi Sharon, thanks for your comments. Both scripture and modern-day prophets have helped us understand and institute the practice of proxy ordinances on behalf of our ancestors. For you or others who are interested in learning more, the following link provides more information about our beliefs: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_
A proxy must be a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints, with a recommend to the temple and a belief in Christ and His church.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
Baptised with out proper authority? What is that supposed to mean? Please explain?
It means being baptized by say a catholic priest. It's baptism, just not with the priesthood authority
Priesthood power is the authority of God delegated to man to bring about salvation for Gods children. The Bible teaches that there we be a falling away from Christs gospel or an apostasy before he came back again. 2 Thessalonians 2:1-3 Some sighs that were given that the apostasy occurred and had were that they would teach the forbidding of marriage (celibacy) and the abstaining of meat. (Fishfriday).1 Timothy 4:1-3 The priesthood keys given to Peter to bind and seal on earth and in heaven (and lose on earth and in heaven)were lost when all the apostles were killed as Christ said they would be. Naturally there there would have to be a restoration of these keys by God in order for any work done by man to be acceptable to him. As members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints we believe that God restored his true and living church and priesthood through the prophet Joseph Smith. That those keys are lodged in The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints today and are held by our current prophet Russel M. Nelson and the others apostles. (Quorum of the Twelve apostles) There if you have baptisms which are not not done with proper authority it avails the individual nothing. Therefore they will be need to be rebaptized with proper authority in order to be acceptable to God. Hence why when we teach people of not of our faith who have already been baptized the need to be baptized with proper authority, of course there are many people who have died before having the opportunity to be baptized with the proper authority while they were alive who now have opportunity through baptism for the dead though a proxy as explained in the video. This is not all however there are many people on the earth who have died without even hearing of Jesus Christ, what about them? The answer baptism for the dead. In 1 Corinthians 15 Paul writes a epistle to a group that doesn’t believe in the resurrection and therefore are don’t understand why they are doing baptism for the dead. Paul answers eloquently that there is a resurrection and the dead will rise again. Because their is a resurrection they are baptizing for the dead and the work they are doing is valid and necessary .1 Corinthians 15:13-14, 20-22, 29. Hope this gives some clarity.
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Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
What are the scriptures from the Bible that talk about this?
Hi @Katrina Lee, the New Testament indicates that baptisms for the dead were done during the time of the Apostle Paul (see 1 Corinthians 15:29). This ordinance was restored with the establishment of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints. You can learn more about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_
1 Peter chapter 3 and 4 talk about Christ preaching the gospel to the dead. 1 Corinthians 15:29 specifically mentions baptism for the dead, however it is not a clear scripture.
One of my favorites is when Christ tells the thief that when they died they would both go to "paradise." However when Christ is resurrected, He tells Mary not to touch Him because "I have not yet ascended to my Father." Meaning He went to a place called "paradise," but not heaven where His father is? That is exactly what happened. Paradise is where the spirits of the dead wait for the resurrection and here they are taught the gospel.
With all due respect...How i am going to be a proxy for baptism for my mom that was a devoted member of another denomination?.. Doesn't make any sense to me..I can't talk to my dead mom to ask if she wants this..🤷🤦
Right; we can't ask the dead anything. Whether or not they accept the ordinances we perform for them is their choice. Latter-day saints are willing to do the work for our deceased family members without knowing whether they will accept it, knowing that it gives them an essential opportunity that they wouldn't have otherwise.
I love to read the Gospels because they recorded the words that came out of the mouth of Jesus Christ. And I never read about Jesus saying to baptize the dead ones. Read Mark 16,15-16 and Mathew 28,19-20 .
It is taught in 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4
It may come as a surprise, but if you'll check, The Apostle Paul even talked about baptism for the dead! Don't take my word for it...look it up!! 1st Corinthians 15:29.
Add 1 Peter 3 and 4 and you establish a doctrine that the Lord is attempting to redeem even the dead.
At my conversion in 2001 I had quite a time for at least 2 years trying to explain why we perform ornaments for the dead to my family
How do you know
Hi Luis, thanks for your question. Jesus Christ taught that “except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). For those who have passed on without the ordinance of baptism, proxy baptism for the deceased is a free will offering, performed by Latter-day Saints in temples around the world. According to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject such a baptism - the offering is freely given and must be freely received. See the link below for a short video explaining the practice of baptisms for the dead: ua-cam.com/video/c77vzBiY0zg/v-deo.html We hope that helps answer your question!
I love some of these comments. Adam and Eve, Noah's ark, Jonah and the whale, stopping the sun in the sky, being raised from the dead. You have no problem with any of that, but baptism for the dead? Well now you've gone too far.
If Jesus needed to be babtised then so should we all, even those who have passed on!
You cannot be baptized for anyone else. Through Jesus is the only way, John 14:6. You believe yourself, nobody else can get you to Heaven
@@MichaelSmith-ng9gc Jesus is the way when we're baptized for ourselves, and he's still the way when we are baptized for the dead. John 3:5 - "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." 1 Corinthians 15:29 - "29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" When people receive the ordinance of baptism via proxy, they have the opportunity to accept Jesus Christ and His atonement, or they can reject it. Their faith in Jesus Christ still is a crucial factor.
Jay Britton Fisher
Thank you for your loving explanation and conviction of our Savior.
It is faith in Jesus alone while we are on this earth, in this life; Heb 9:27. It is not taught or commanded by Jesus or any other apostle to be baptized for someone else.
2:35 how though? How can the spirits of the dead be taught the gospel?
Hi there. Good question. There are many things we don’t know about the Spirit World, but the scriptures and latter-day prophets have given us some information. The link below can give you more to study and learn on the topic:
www.lds.org/manual/gospel-principles/chapter-41-the-postmortal-spirit-world?lang=eng
didn't Jesus go into "hell" to preach the gospel to those souls, including the millions that were killed at the time of Noah before he was resurrected? THAT'S how the spirits of the dead can be taught.
@@chischilisnez7811 Yeah 1 Peter 3 and 4 teach that :)
Baptism for the dead was practice in the new testament in the Bible, Peter taught us that. 1 Corinthians 15: 29 first you have to question the Bible
Hey! Paul is not saying that “we”, (Christians who believe in the resurrection), baptize for the dead, but that “people”, (those who deny a resurrection), practice this proxy baptism.
The people practicing “Baptism for the Dead” were not the Corinthian Christians, but those who (deny) a resurrection!
But perhaps the most critical issue with the LDS doctrine of “Baptism for the dead” is that it directly contradicts what the Bible teaches about baptism, death, salvation, and proxy work.
@@93jkeys just becuase they are not Corinthian Christian's does not make a verse true or untrue if a apostle says to do something or a prophet or christ himself you do it no questions asked 1 Peter 4:6 even talks about preaching to the dead and most importantly think logically why would Christ and God screw over people? Why would they say you can't go to heaven fir example for people in China who haven't even heard of Jesus or when people I'm general never heard of Christ how about people that were not alive for the time of baptism christ clearly states you must be baptized in order to go to heaven at the end of the day God wouldn't just screw over his people he wouldn't screw people who were not alive for the mormon gospel such as George Washington he wasn't even alive for the chance to join the church how is it fair that he is dammed to hell if he wasn't even alive to join the true gospel?
@@93jkeys if a Muslim walks up to you and says Chirst is the only path to heaven is that Muslim wrong either way John states that he was involved in that scripture he talks about preaching with them in verse 11 I am sorry but your argument just simply not true
@@93jkeys Incorrect. Paul was mentioning baptism for the dead specifically because he knew about the resurrection and the following final judgment. The doctrines of the Church of Jesus Christ are founded in the words of prophets, not contradicting them.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
There is something I don't understand. If the baptism for the dead happens, in order to the dead ancestors have the opportunity to join god's kingdom, then what happens when they weren't believing to god at all? I mean if god judges us for our actions, will the dead who had had proxy baptism be judged the same way, even if they lived sinfully without reppentance?
Those who don't believe simply won't accept the baptism performed for them by proxy, and no harm is done; we don't mind performing the ordinance even when we don't know whether the deceased person will accept the ordinance or not. It's not unlike service that we render for people who are still alive; no matter what we do for them, including conducting their own live baptism, all people are still free to choose faith in Jesus Christ and repentance through His Atonement, or something else. Making covenants is essential, but so are enduring faith and repentance.
Read chapter 3 and 4 in 1 Peter. They are taught the gospel and can choose to accept the Savior and His gospel or not, then they can be judged just as us, who are living. But if they have not had baptism then they could not enter into the kingdom of God. That is where we come in. We do baptisms for everyone we can, so that if that person actually accepts the Lord in the next life, then they can also accept the baptism that we did for them. If they don't accept the gospel and the Lord in the next life, then they won't accept the baptism that has been done on their behalf. It is always their choice, just like it is our choice to follow the Lord in this life.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
Stuff like this is why I love the Mormons. I am an atheist but I really respect Mormons. They are the one Christian denomination I will let into my home to chat. I am not convinced but this way that they seem to genuinely love, respect, and care about people is so awesome. I kind of want to put in my will to ask a Mormon very nicely to do this for me. I am not convinced now, but, if I die and find out I was living in ignorance, I'd like the opportunity to do better. Shout out to anyone who has ever been a proxy. Wherher you are right or not, this is a genuine act of love and I have nothing but respect for you.
Edit. I read a comment below that the term Mormon may not be appropriate anymore. Can someone confirm? I would hate to offend by using the wrong term. It's just what I, as an outsider, have been taught.
@soundmindwar, thank you for your kind words, and thank you for your question and for your desire to show respect. Our current prophet, President Russell M. Nelson, has emphasized the importance of using the full name of the Church. While we will not take offense when people use the nickname "Mormon," we prefer to be referred to as members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints or members of the Church of Jesus Christ. You can learn more here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/general-conference/2018/10/the-correct-name-of-the-church?lang=eng We hope that helps!
Great video!!
Some guy at my school started spreading rumors that Mormons baptize dead bodies because he heard the term "Baptism for the Dead" and completely misunderstood it. I thought it was pretty funny, and I had to explain to everyone how is really works lol
Well...it is still very funny... even with the explanation. It's unbiblical. Jesus never set up an example to baptize dead people or someone on their behalf. No where in the Bible
@@tatyanakovtun2826 Hes prepared a way to save everyone. He is the most merciful person you know. This is His work going on to get everyone into one of the three degrees of glory
@@tatyanakovtun2826 1 Corinthians. It's both Biblical and true, and it's wonderful service to others.
Where is this practice in the Bible or scripture on this? I believe the word of God is our final authority, and would love to see scriptures backing up this religious practice.
I believe as one is yet living they will be held accountable for their salvation including baptism. “...work out your OWN salvation with fear and trembling”. Philippians 2:12 Someone else can’t work it out for you. You have the choice while you are still a living, breathing soul!
Good question. You can learn more about baptisms for the dead, including scriptures in the Bible that teach about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_
You are right that our own faith is necessary. If someone does not accept Christ, then a proxy baptism for them does not help. However, if they do accept Christ, then a proxy baptism affords them an opportunity they may not have had in life. Pertinent Biblical references are John 3:5 - "Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God." and 1 Corinthians 15:29 - "29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?" Additional scripture beyond the Bible teaches more about it, but it's probably best to follow the link provided in the Church's comment for a good overview.
I also believe the Word of God, therefore I rely on Prophets more than the old writings that I couldn't ensure they keep pure since the Prophets had written them
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
Does it cost anything to baptize your ancestors?
No it doesn't. Are you a member?
Just a bit of time to do the research and perform the ordinances. No money.
@John17230, thanks for your question. There is no cost to perform proxy baptisms in behalf of those who have died. If you'd like to learn more about baptisms for the dead, we recommend chatting with representatives from the Church online or requesting to meet with some of our missionaries. They would be happy to talk with you more! www.comeuntochrist.org/contact-us
Were those that Apostle Paul accused of baptising for the dead Christian's?
@@churchofjesuschrist
Paul and the christians could not be included in "those" practicing baptism for the dead. The "those" were the outsiders that knew baptism importance. Loved their dead so much they thought proxy baptism will safe them.
Leave the Dead alone there's nothing you can do for them when you're ready your either in Heaven or Hell
That's not what Jesus Christ taught and did. As members of His Church, we follow Him, and thus are concerned for both the living and the dead.
Not according to the Bible or what Christ taught. Read 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4.
the audio needs to be edited! It says Mormon we don't use that word anymore please change ut
So if someone is not willing to be baptized for the dead.
Would be in the place of darkness,
So regardless if someone has done the work for them.
Like for baptized it wouldn't do anything,
We don't know whether people accept the gospel or reject it in the Spirit World, but by performing ordinances for them by proxy, we give them an opportunity. They are still free to choose for themselves whether to accept it.
Inspirador
we can not choose this important, life freeing decision for someone. As much as we may want to and it seems like a lovely idea, that’s not the point of baptism. Baptism is you and god personally deciding to become reborn, no one else is apart of that decision.
You're right; under God's authority, we conduct the ordinance for those who no longer can do so for themselves, and they choose for themselves whether they accept it.
HERESY! Where in the Bible do they pull that from?
Hello, thanks for the opportunity to clarify our beliefs. You can learn more about baptisms for the dead, including scriptures in the Bible that teach about the practice, here: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_
James, Paul mentions it as a practice the Corinthians preformed, when he uses it in passing while making an argument in 1 Corinthians 15. Verse 29, to be specific. He arguably affirms the practice, seeing as he doesn’t condemn it, and 1 Corinthians is full of condemnations.
Beyond that, historically, some groups of early Christians also preformed the ordinance, though they were later labeled “heretical” for that and other reasons.
1 Peter 3 and 4, 1 Corinthians 15.
Hebrews 9:27: And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment. Also read Luke 16:9-31. You have one opportunity in this life to accept Christ, there is no redemption after death if you do not accept it in life. Proxie baptism is useless.
Well said!
Michael Smith Not well said at all !!! Millions have passed through this mortal existence having NO KNOWLEDGE of Christ. Are they therefore to be condemned ? Proxy baptism gives them, as spirit beings, the chance to learn of and follow Jesus Christ and his gospel. JUSTICE AND MERCY !!!
@@rabbit4111 God is just and merciful, who says that they have gone to Hell just because they had no knowledge of Christ. If you believe that God is a God of justice and mercy then you should believe that He knows who have accepted Him and who have not even if they never heard the word on earth. God makes it known to us that there is some type of God out there and even if you never hear the word Yahweh in your life on earth, you are still able to see the work of a higher power and that we are sinful people. Also, it is a personal discussion for a person to believe in Jesus Christ or not so there is no way proxy baptism would work when it is up to that person to decided to follow Christ or not
@@christybailey3643 It is absolutely a personal decision whether or not people accept the baptisms performed by proxy on their behalf. We don't presume to know whether or not everyone does accept it, but members of the Church or Jesus Christ perform millions of proxy baptisms for our ancestors in the hopes that they do accept the gospel. This is not only a great part of God's justice, but also a mercy for those who selflessly render the service. You should ask a member of the Church of Jesus Christ sometime about the experiences we've had as we've served in this way.
Read 1 Peter 3 and 4. Christ died and preached the gospel to the dead... why would He preach the gospel to the dead if they had already been judged? Well, because "but after this the judgement" does not mean immediately after you die, but after this earthly life comes the judgement, once all have lived and Christ comes and finishes His work, then there will be the 2nd resurrection and then the final judgement.
Hmmm ... but their own Mormon Bible contradicts this teaching ... saying, “For behold, if ye have procrastinated the day of your repentance even until death, behold ye have become subjected to the spirit of the devil, and he does seal you his. Therefore, the spirit of the Lord has withdrawn from you and hath no place in you; the power of the devil is over you, and this is the final state of the wicked.” … "And this I know, because the Lord hath said he dwelleth not in unholy temples, but in the hearts of the righteous doth he dwell; yea, and he has also said that the righteous shall sit down in his kingdom, to go no more out; but their garments should be made white through the blood of the Lamb." - Alma 34:35-36
It is noteworthy that the scriptures that directly mention death in connection with baptized ones refer to living individuals who had been baptized and not to those who had died. Paul also told fellow anointed Christians: “You were buried with him in his baptism, and by relationship with him you were also raised up together through your faith in the operation of God, who raised him up from the dead.”-Colossians 2:12.
It is obvious that they (Mormons) have misinterpreted what Paul is stating at 1Cor 15:29 ... after all, baptism is related to Christian discipleship, and dead souls cannot be disciples. (John 4:1)
It's also worth mentioning that Paul corrected many false teachings trying to infiltrate the Christian congregation (which eventually happened). Thus the reason why such teachings exist today creating all sorts of religions! So even in Paul's day, some were even teaching the resurrection had already occurred 2 Tim 2:17,18. Here at Chapter 15 of 1st Cor. Paul is now correcting the false teaching that some were teaching there is no resurrection. At 1st Cor 15: 20-23 Paul knew he would be dead for a period of time “. . .But each one in his own proper order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who belong to the Christ during his presence. . .” - 1Co 15:23.
Nobody is resurrected till Jesus begins ruling! Paul corrected 2 false teachings concerning the resurrection of his day ...
Hmmm ... Does anybody ever wonder what this means? “. . .and you made them to be a kingdom and priests to our God, and they are to rule as kings over the earth.”” - Re 5:10
Wapper Jaw, note that as Paul uses the Corinthian practice of baptism for the dead in his argument for the reality of the resurrection, he doesn’t condemn the practice. In a letter full of condemnations, that’s arguably an affirmation.
How does a passage about not procrastinating repentance “disprove” the practice of baptism for the dead? Baptism for the dead is preformed for those who never had the chance to be baptized in their lifetime at all. That passage just doesn’t apply.
The passage from Alma is in the Book of Mormon, not a "Mormon Bible", and it's not a contradiction at all. You're missing a number of other things, such as the resurrection of many immediately following the resurrection of Jesus Christ in Matthew 27:52. Paul was quite direct in referring to baptisms for the dead, and also in describing Jesus' mission to preach to the dead in the Spirit World between His death and resurrection. I wish you the best in your further scriptural studies, though.
could you please not call The Book of Mormon the "Mormon Bible" it does not replace the Bible not do we not call it the "Mormon Bible" And about people procrastinating it was talking about people who knew about the gospel but refused the gospel. Baptism for the dead is about letting those who did not have an opportunity to be babtised.
Yeah, you are way off bro! Read 1 Peter 3 and 4 in conjunction with those in 1 Corinthians 15. It establishes a very clear doctrine of the dead receiving the gospel and even baptism.
This has justed popped up.
What happens to the people that commit suicide,
Where do they go;
Because I've had a nephew had committed suicide.
Hi Sharon. That is a very good question. We recommend that you watch this video of Elder Renlund helping us all to better understand suicide: ua-cam.com/video/hCR8tWKEbxo/v-deo.html. We believe that for most, if not all, suicide will not be a defining characteristic in God's judgement and that they will not be banished to Hell forever.
@@churchofjesuschrist is there another speach about this.
And would Mark 8:35-36:37 give us some knowledge about suicide?
Here is a page with some more reference material that you can use to learn more: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/suicide?lang=eng
Read 1 Peter chapter 3 and 4. Christ taught the gospel to the dead, and they are currently taught the gospel as well. Your nephew has the opportunity to accept Christ, learn about His gospel and live again just as we all do. Christ loved him and will give him every opportunity to return to live with Christ, just as He will give that opportunity to you and me and everyone who has ever lived.
What is with the cows???
12 Oxen that represented the 12 tribes of Israel. We are seeing the actual gathering of all the tribes ..what a day to live in!!
Each one (there are twelve) represents one of the 12 tribes of Israel) There is much symbolism in the old testiment. And there is much symbolism in the temples. When a person comes to understand all these things it is a beautiful reminder of the love God has for all His children. It is sacred and beautiful. I hope you will seek to understand these things. If you have another question don't hesitate to ask a member of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints. We will try not to push this on you but wi[[ always try to answer a sincere question. God bless you for wanting to know.
I thank God for giving us this wonderful church of Jesus Christ of latter day saints to be a member and know about the baptism for the dead and bring all our family into God's fold and to be sealed as family in the temple.
Why are they still calling us Mormons? It offends God to do that. I'm a latter day saint of the church of Jesus Christ
Hi Jeff, thanks for your question. We hope individuals will find this video when they search UA-cam for “Mormon Beliefs”. When they watch the video, we clarify that the “Mormon Church” is properly referred to as “The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.” As we work to teach people online, you can do your part by helping your friends and neighbors understand the proper name of the Church. Thank you!
Peter in the Bible believed in this, is that make him a false apostle
I see God's Justice in doing this, Jesus was baptize to fulfill all righteousness, and he taught except a man born of water and of the spirit ye cannot enter the kingdom of God
"He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy." (Proverbs 29:1) We have our chance in life. Whoever doesn't choose to accept or to seek truth (Matthew 7:7, "seek and you will find") will suddenly be destroyed, . "Suddenly being destroyed" refers to death, and whoever dies in their sins goes to hell. Baptism of the dead is believed to be a remedy to that death, the remedy that God said would never exist. So unless God is lying, baptism of the dead is useless.
Keep studying and you will find that there is work to do for the dead. Jesus Himself started it. Peter spoke of this in 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 4:6. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;" "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit."
Yeah Christ preached the gospel to the dead that they might "live according to the Spirit." They can receive the gospel and are being taught the gospel as we speak :)
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
John the Baptist was not a "priest". The Bible does not say that.
Yep! Ur right. He was a disciple but not a priest. God used John to baptize others to show them u dont have to be a priest in order to baptize someone. You just have to be saved and baptized.
@@emilyjakubik Nowhere in the Bible does it say that John wasn't ordained.
I am so grateful the Church published this. I testify that this is true! And it is because of God's love for His children that this ordinance was made available for our deceased ancestors. There were some of my ancestors who doesn't have the opportunity to receive the restored gospel of Jesus Christ and be baptized in this life. I am beyond blessed to help them receive the gospel of Jesus Christ through performing baptism for the dead inside the holy temple of God.😊
Ladie Loraine it's a man made Mormon Church doctrine probably from the book of Mormon which was written by Joseph Smith a mere man..not from my Holy Bible which is the Word of God the absolute truth..and only the truth will set you free..my prayer that the Holy Spirit of God will take the scales off your eyes in order to know the truth.
@@levanidelaivuna5562 do some research for yourself. how can you speak of things you know not of?
@@levanidelaivuna5562 have you forgotten that the Sealed Book In Isaiah Chapter 29 that takes the scales away from your eyes and opens the eyes of all the blind who read that sealed book is not the Holy Bible but its the Book of Mormon because the Book of Mormon was a sealed book handed by God from heaven.
@@levanidelaivuna5562 These doctrines are taught in the Bible and are not even found in the Book of Mormon. Read 1 Peter 3 and 4, 1 Corinthians 15:29, and then read the account where Christ tells the "thief" that He would go with Him to paradise but then tells Mary after He is resurrected that He had not yet ascended to His Father.
Went to "paradise" but that wasn't in the presence of His Father, or in other words, "paradise" is not Heaven?
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
Guys ITS ALL True!! … I know I found it for myself. I went on a walk about geeez over 20 years ago and found truth like I never thought I could have!! I knew there was a higher power and I dug Jesus as a great person and his teachings are all amazing. I could not find many answers and I saw so much bitterness towards others of different faiths from many pastors who seem to want to insight fear from their followers with barbaric consequences if they do not get the religion. I thought," man Jesus is not like that at all?" I'm also a scientists and needed science to make since with whatever my journey ended up teaching me. Then I fell in love with the LDS church, as my understandings of the universe and my part in it just made sense. So last thing guess what? the concept of Hell is not what they are trying to keep you tied down with. NO man woman or child will go to hell if they do not understand the gospel in this life, that's what the next life is all about , being able to learn more and this "learning" never ends. !!! Peace ya'll :)
Oh how ye err in not knowing the gospel. God is the God of the living and not the dead.
I just cant beleive this is happening........
If it's good enough for Jesus Christ, it's good enough for me. "For Christ also hath once suffered for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit: By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison;
" "For for this cause was the gospel preached also to them that are dead, that they might be judged according to men in the flesh, but live according to God in the spirit." (1 Peter 3:18-19, 4:6)
Dantes Cristo The dead are alive in the spirit world, and are just as important to God as we living in this mortal world. Their changed perspective means they need the opportunity to have ordinances performed by us on their behalf, to follow Jesus Christ, which wasn’t available to them here.
Yeah you know there are other scriptures that say God is the God of both living and dead right? Not to mention the scriptures given to you earlier.
God is both of the living and the dead
For those of you who think baptisms for the dead is invalid, you need to be properly educated or else you will forever remain in your ignorance.
1 Peter 3:19-20 "By which also he went and preached unto the spirits in prison; (20) Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water." (KJV)- This verse is not just in the KJV bible, it's in every bible. Read it yourself before you make judgements. Remove the plank in your eye before you judge.
Therefore, that's why it is important to baptize the dead so they can at least be protected in the next life and have a chance to be saved.
I like to say it is not just baptism, that is only one part... but it is redemption for the dead :)
The question is.... Will u remain in YOUR ignorance? 🕵
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
JESUS WHO MADE HIMSELF AS PROXY BY SAVING ALL HUMANITY FRM ETERNAL DEATH.THE PRINCIPLE OF PROXY IN BAPTISM COULD NOT APPLIED TO WHAT CHRIST HAVE DONE ON THE CROSS.BAPTISM REQUIRED REPENTANCE OF PERSONAL SIN.NOW THE DEAD CANNOT REPENT AND THE PROXY CANNOT REPENT BECAUSE HE/SHE DID NOT KNOW THE SIN OF A PERSON BEING PROXIED.HOW COULD THIS BE ACCEPTABLE OF THE RULES SPOKEN IN THE BIBLE.
This is too hard to read. Please use proper capitalization and punctuation so that you can communicate your ideas effectively.
It is taught in the Bible that Christ preached to the dead. Read 1 Peter 3 and 4 and then reach 1 Corinthians 15. Baptism is performed on their behalf and it is up to them to not only accept this work done for them, but to repent so that Christ may forgive them according to His perfect understanding, mercy and justice.
2000 years ago he was bron
When the narrator says, "Here's the Problem"
That's a problem.
What do you mean? What do you find problematic?
Twisted theology beyond reason. That Joseph smith was really out there.
Actually, it makes a lot of sense that people are not condemned merely for not having had the gospel preached to them while alive. It's very easy to accept when God confirms truth to our hearts.
If you read the Bible and if you come to know your Savior, you will know that this is the way He has established in order to save as many as His children as possible.
MORMONS HAVE FALSE DOCTRINE.
@@emilyjakubik You're using "Mormons" as a nickname for members of the Church of Jesus Christ. What do you really know about the Church?
"Proxy" and "substitute atonement" are not the same, neither linguistically not theologically. In proxy the authority has to be given to tho the agent at the request of the original person. It is a legal term. Jesus not only took our place, but he atoned by being the perfect, sinless sacrifice. He had the power to take our place, but we could have never being able to pay for our sins.
Jesus atoned for our sins and taught that we must be baptized. He even gave us the example by being baptized Himself. After death, people are unable to request baptism, but as we perform proxy baptisms for our ancestors they are able to accept or reject the ordinance. We give them the opportunity.
Jay Britton Fisher Thank you for your well reasoned replies to the doubters . God bless you !
@@rabbit4111 I try. There's plenty of misunderstanding out in the world, and I hope to help at least a few people out.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
This is what Jesus Christ said
14 But John forbad him, saying, I have need to be baptized of thee, and comest thou to me?
15 And Jesus answering said unto him, Suffer it to be so now: for thus it becometh us to *fulfil all righteousness*. Then he suffered him. Matthew 3
19 If in this life only we have hope in Christ, we are of all men most miserable.
29 Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? why are they then baptized for the dead?
1 Cor 15
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
12 Wherefore, my beloved, as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling. Phil 2
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation. John 5
18 And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
20 Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. Amen. Matthew 28
I believe that it might be baptisms for the dead, because it was people here on earth before, who have died that didn't hear the gospel of Jesus Christ. Whom and when does these people who already dead get a chance to hear the gospel. And why now is it just starting to be talked about. Especially if it's in the New Testament???
You can’t baptize someone without their consent.
Hi Beau, thanks for your comment. As described in this video, according to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject baptism - the offering is freely given and must be freely received. The ordinance does not force deceased persons to become members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, nor does the Church list deceased persons as members of the Church. To learn more, visit newsroom.churchofjesuschrist.org/article/baptism-for-the-dead
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What about a Son who turns your tables, for the sake of equality? Is He worthy of baptism? Are His pleas accepted?
@@beaupeterson188 Could you explain more of what your concern is? It's not clear right now.
@@churchofjesuschrist how do you know if the person accepted the baptism?
@@MsSpongy89 Generally, we don't! We perform the service in a spirit of hope and duty. That being said, I have heard from a number of people who have experienced things while performing proxy baptisms that, to say the least, gave them strong confirmation that their ancestor had joyfully received the ordinance. Perhaps someday someone will be able to tell you about it.
Funny funny. Like a twisted children's monster story. Good job.
Whoa you surly did not watch the video :/ lol
I am so grateful for the wonderful plan of salvation. God loves His children. Baptism for the dead is wonderful & I'm so grateful that I can take part in it in God's Holy Temples.
Amen I was at Our Nashville Temple last Saturday I did as proxy was baptized for the Dead was my 1st time & a beautiful Inspiring moments I also confirm for those names baptism for the dead one last thing I was a Member of the Episcopal Church for 60 + years I found LDS church Have never found so much Love ❤️ Spiritual people of Faith Jesus Christ the Correct Name church is The Church of Jesus Christ Latter Day Saints
@@cwilson6990 what a wonderful testimony we have for each other , even though we never met but this Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints bring us together His SPIRIT we feel like we know each other before ,I Love my brother s n Sister s around the world of the Faith that we have , Thanks for your testimony it's True.
Happy Latter day Saints thanks for sharing your testimony , Thank you .
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The Catholic Church, the Orthodox churches and even most Protestant denominations do not consider Mormonism as a Christian Religion. For their concept differs from Christianity. 1) Different Godhead, 2) Exaltation concept, 3) Baptism of the dead, 4) Spirit World, 5) Concept of Baptism, 6) The concept of Hell, etc. Those are reasons the LDS is not recognized as Christian, also the Jesus-Christ they're speaking about is a creature and not the incarnation of Almighty God which is the Christian Creed.
Hi @Alain D., thanks for tuning in to the video. We respect you and what you believe, and we ask for that same respect in return, even if we don't agree. To clarify, members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints unequivocally affirm themselves to be Christians. We worship God the Eternal Father in the name of Jesus Christ. When asked what the Latter-day Saints believe, Joseph Smith put Christ at the center: “The fundamental principles of our religion is the testimony of the apostles and prophets concerning Jesus Christ, ‘that he died, was buried, and rose again the third day, and ascended up into heaven;’ and all other things are only appendages to these, which pertain to our religion.” Many of the arguments you list above are examined at the link below. We invite you and others to review the link and become more educated about what we believe. www.churchofjesuschrist.org/study/manual/gospel-topics/are-mormons-christian?lang=eng
@@churchofjesuschrist I'm an evangelical, I don't recognize the Mormon faith as Christian at all. They don't believe Jesus is God, that's a non-starter for a christian like me.
@@churchofjesuschrist I respect people but not their lies, in fact, the LDS church along with other arrian sects such as the YW were born to put confusion among the christians, worshipping another Jesus, which they consider a creature and the brother of the Devil and not Almighty God and this you people do not recognize because you are duped by spirits of error like all those sectarians born in 19th century America, denying the FULL divinity of Jesus. Like the ancient heretic Arius and other ones. Repent and convert to the real Jesus-Christ, for God Almighty walked among men and people did not recognize him.
@@churchofjesuschrist It is exactly because christians know what mormons believe that we do not consider them as christians for God is one and he does not change!
Exactly, they are "christian" creeds... not Biblical. They were created by men, not by God.
The dead knows nothing , remember that ?
Then why did Jesus Christ preach to them?
How then we will suffer for our sins when we die if we know nothing about our sins??
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
Why you say God created this ? It's you yourself
The doctrine is found in the Bible. 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4 speak of Christ preaching the gospel to the dead. These will be judged, but must receive His gospel first. This is the work we are doing, which Christ began during the days in which His body was dead.
The bible says when you die the spirit it in itself will die the spirit goes out like a candle not up up and away
Biblical writings teach the opposite of what you said. One of the most important passages that indicates that our spirits continue and are taught is the book of 1 Peter; refer specifically to 1 Peter 3:18-19 and 4:6.
Then what's the point of Hell? Wouldn't everyone that is dead want to live again? And to live again you have to believe in Jesus Christ. So all the dead would choose to be baptized and resurrected sounds like an Egyptian practice
It isn't exactly like that. You see when Christ was crucified, He told one of the thieves that they would go to "paradise." But that doesn't mean they went to "heaven."
So Christ and this thief die, and they go to "paradise." BUT when Christ resurrects on the third day what does He say to Mary? "touch me not, for I am not yet ascended to the Father."
So He went to paradise, which is a place for the spirits that were good and those who believed in christ. "Hell" or "prison" is this same spirit world, but contains the spirits of people who did evil in this world or who rejected Christ.
1 Peter chapters 3 and 4 teach us that when Christ went here, He preached the gospel to those who were dead, and in prison.
In other words, the gospel was preached and is being taught to those who are dead, just like those who are alive. Which means that many people still have not heard the gospel and many have still rejected it. Christ is doing His work here as well as in the spirit world to bring ALL of His children to Him.
In the Book of Mormon it talks about this, saying we can't assume that we can be sinful and not accept the gospel in this life and in the next we will just be completely different and ready to accept it. It will still be challenging, if not more challenging to accept the gospel.
This is what the Book of Mormon says:
Alma 34: 32-34 For behold, this life is the time for men to prepare to meet God; yea, behold the day of this life is the day for men to perform their labors. And now, as I said unto you before, as ye have had so many witnesses, therefore I beseech of you that ye do not procrastinate the day of your repentance until the end; for after this day of life, whic is given us to prepare for eternity, behold, if we do not improve our time while in this life, then cometh the night of darkness wherein there can be no labor performed. Ye cannot say, when ye are brought to that awful crisis, that I will repent, that I will return to my God. Nay, ye cannot say this; for that same spirit which doth possess your bodies at the time that ye go out of this life, that same spirit will have power to possess your body in that eternal world."
In other words, we are the same in this life, whether dead or alive. We need to believe in Christ now. But that doesn't mean we won't have the opportunity after this life to accept it.
God will deal with those later on who are not baptized, which is actually too late when you die. Do it while you are still alive, and tell all your friends; spread the gospel of the good news.
1 Peter 4:6 also read the whole chapter. As well as 1 Peter chapter 3. The gospel is taught to those who are dead, even as far back as in the time of the flood. Why would He preach to them if they can't be baptized and if it is too late? Why can the dead who hadn't received the gospel until after they were dead "live according to the Spirit?"
KJ, I think you deny the Savior's love and his work, to save as many people as will believe in him; even those millions who died, never knowing Christ. If your comment were true, there are MILLIONS living on earth who will never know Jesus Christ or God the Father. Will they be condemned?
"This is my work and my glory, to bring to pass the immortality and eternal life of Man."
"...For God sent not his son into the world to condemn the world, but that the world through him might be saved."
ALL must be baptized; those who died without baptism will be baptized, if in proxy, and they will be given the choice to accept or reject it. There are churches "out there" that teach, if a person has not been baptized before they die, they will be tortured for eternity; even children and babies. This is a sick and evil belief.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all?
THEIR'S BAPTISM WHEN YOU EXCEPT CHRIST YOU EXCEPT THE BAPTISM
I love temples!
You need to love Jesus Christ not temples or Angels.. read the Bible
So my understanding on baptism is that its a way of showing your love for Jesus because you want to have a declaration of letting go of the old stuff, starting a new chapter in your life with God and its for believing the Gospel and have repented. I don't think its cool that they have use a stand in for a dead person who has never been baptized before have them be starting at age 12. If the dead person when they were alive never wanted a baptism or never had one then don't give them one after they have died. It was there choice not yours before they were dead. There should be only baptism and that should be be for believing in the Gospel, have repented, and sharing your love for Jesus. And you should be able to get baptized in anything you want in any body of water.
Hi there, thanks for your question. Jesus Christ taught that “except a man be born of water and of the Spirit, he cannot enter into the kingdom of God” (John 3:5). For those who have passed on without the ordinance of baptism, proxy baptism for the deceased is a free will offering performed by Latter-day Saints in temples around the world. According to Church doctrine, a departed soul in the afterlife is completely free to accept or reject such a baptism - the offering is freely given and must be freely received. See the link below for more information explaining the practice of baptisms for the dead: www.churchofjesuschrist.org/topics/baptisms-for-the-dead?lang=eng#_We hope that helps answer your question!
@@churchofjesuschrist Okay, but the person is already dead and it was their choice to get baptized or not have one. So basically you are making the choice for them already even tho they made the choice in their life before they died. Why go against someone else's choice tho. "For the wages of sin is death but the free gift of eternal life is in Jesus Christ Our Lord." Meaning I did not have to get baptized in order to get into Heaven because Jesus shed his blood for me so I don't have to sin anymore because Jesus's blood on the cross did that for me and that also means by him dying on the cross for my sins also gets me a free ticket in heaven without doing anything to earn it. Its called the Gospel go look it up actually learn something.
and is their personal relationship with God on what they think is best for them not for someone else to choose for them.
@@_LSW The choice is always up to them whether they accept the proxy baptism or not. If we did not perform proxy baptisms, that is when they actually would not have the choice. Many, many people have lived without even knowing about Jesus Christ; many people genuinely didn't have any opportunity to be baptized in the proper manner by someone with God's authority. In other cases, they may have had some opportunity, but we don't try to judge them. Instead, we render a service for them by proxy in case they do want to accept it. I hope that helps.
Paul wrote in 1 Corinthians 15:29: "Else what shall they do which are baptized for the dead, if the dead rise not at all? 🙏
Why have missionaries if you can just baptize for the dead?
Because God wants us to be happy not only in eternity but also in this life. The restored gospel of Christ makes our lives so much better.
We do the work so that when they hear the gospel in the next life they can accept it or reject it. The missionary work continues here and on the other side of the veil.
@@monocuco818 where is this in scripture?
@@MsSpongy89 1 Peter chapter 3 and 4
Also remember that Christ told the thief that when they died the would be together in "paradise." But when Christ was resurrected He told Mary not to touch Him because He had not yet ascended to His father. So He went to "paradise" but His Father, God, was not there? Exactly. Because "paradise" is where the spirits wait until the resurrection. Here, they are taught the gospel, just as Christ taught the gospel when He went to paradise as is described in 1 Peter chapters 3 and 4.
You see, it isn't just about baptizing the dead. It is about Christ extending His entire gospel to the dead just as He does to us, the living. It is one of His most important works, it is how He is gathering israel and one of his most incredible expressions of love. He will literally give every person who had ever lived, the opportunity to accept Him and His gospel, even if they hadn't had the opportunity in live to even hear His name, let alone learn His gospel and accept it.
Am I the only non-Christian here lol
Maybe! :) What do you think of the teachings illustrated in the video?
Nah lol im here cause my gf is christian
BRETHREN, THE GRACE PERIOD IS STILL OPEN, LETS REPENT AND TURN BACK TO GOD. WHEN YOU DIE, YOU NOLONGER HAVE CHANCE. TOMORROW MAY NEVER COME. THE TIME IS NOW.
PRAYING FOR THE DEAD OR BAPTISM FOR THE DEAD WILL NOT CHANGE THEIR FATE. WHEN YOU DIE, YOUR BOOK OF EARTHLY LIFE IS CLOSED AND SHALL BE OPENED AT THE JUDGEMENT DAY.
Behold i saw the son of man coming in the clouds in great glory, to judge the living and the dead, each one according to their DEEDS.
1 Peter 3 and 4 say otherwise. The dead are taught the gospel even as we speak. The judgement is not yet, but will come soon, so yes, repent, because you can't say that when you are dead you will all of a sudden have a different personality and be ready to accept Christ, even though you will be taught the gospel there as well. But don't delay until the judgement, prepare before.