Gun violence in Portugal doesn't have anything to do with gun licences. In Portugal 30 out of 100 of the residents have a gun licence and own one or more guns , gun violence increase in Portugal is due to increase of immigrants and their illegal guns , mainly from Brazil and Portuguese speaking Africa but the police forces are forbidden to disclose the nationality or ethnicity of the criminals by the government and the media believes it is racism to do it. In most of the cases you see in the news the shooters and the victims are Gypsies , Brazilians and Africans , among the Portuguese gun violence is usually passional crime and occurs in rural areas where most of the men own hunting guns. I Think there are less guns per 100 inhabitants now because hunting is not as fashionable and allowed as it used to be but there are a lot more illegal guns and a lot more people using them for sure.
The Portuguese political parties, especially the Left, shout racism so often that it has lost its meaning. To hide statistics and the truth from the public is deceitful and undemocratic. Yet the Left are the ones who are always claiming they have the moral high ground.
@@lxportugal9343 Actually, no. A study called "Perfis Territoriais de Criminalidade em Portugal (2009-2019)" - google it for details - showed that you had very low theft (and overall crime against property) in Corvo, but a very high rate (by Portuguese standards) of crime against people, and extremely high in terms of physical violence (though very low domestic violence). Most violent crimes in Portugal are committed either within the family (be it domestic violence or violence related to inheritance and other family disputes) or between neighbours that knew each other for all their lives (for reasons related to property limits, water usage, property damage, etc.). Gambling-related violence, including murder, is also relevant, e.g. due to accusations of cheating.
Good topic. I would like to know more about the legal way of owning toys over there. People from Mehrica and Canada love their toys. Gun violence and crime is typically comited by criminals and with illegally obtained guns. Legal owners know for better.
You can't legally obtain fire arms in Portugal, unless you belong to military or embassy personel. Sorry. Some firearms are smuggled illegally. Police and GNR have arms, and no afraid to use it. When called on the scene, they will arrest anyone armed and threatening to use it. Because there are so few guns, they will just assume it's illegal. It is extremely unlikely to encounter gun shooting in urban areas, and hunters use guns only on Sundays at restricted areas, so it is rarely a problem even for people that go hunting in there.
@@jmbpinto73 It doesn't make much sense what you wrote. When I was there last time I as told long arms for hunting and sport shooting are not a problem with process of getting the permit and have them stored properly (which is pretty common in other countries too). Hand guns are difficult to get permit for and those fall in different category anyways. If my intel is correct, only in Czech Republic possible to have carry license, however, I personally do not care about hand guns. I'm referring to hunting, sport shooting and collecting. There are bunch of shooting ranges in PT and also gun stores. It may not pop up with google searches but they do exist which means people have them.
@@jmbpinto73 Your information is factually wrong. It is legally possible for a civilian to obtain a firearm, either for hunting or sporting purposes, even if it is (as it should be) a long , protracted and gradual (from the start, there are restrictions on the type of weapon that may be acquired, some of those restrictions being able to be removed after some time and provided you comply with specific requirements) process, with multiple checks. Also, in such cases, even if granted a license for a firearm, the places to use it and the way it is transported are highly regulated. Additionally, the possibility of acquiring a firearm for self defence is acknowledged, but is virtually impossible to achieve for a civilian, unless one is a policeman, a magistrate or a diplomat.
If a serious crime is reported and the name, nationality etc are not reported then you know that you are not dealing with a native born Portuguese person. It is standard practice nowadays to protect against racism by omitting details that would lead people to conclude that certain groups were perhaps responsible for more crime that their fair share. If you see the word machete mentioned as a weapon, in almost all cases that would be Africans. They love their bladed weapons. What you are describing in Lisbon is a world apart from my life in rural central Portugal. Here, there are very few immigrants from the global south and miraculously also almost no violent crime. I am sure that is simply coincidence. Nothing to see there at all.
Your idyllic view of rural Portugal may be based on your personal reality, but it is far from being the reality of rural Portugal in general. Contrary to popular belief, rural communities are often times more violent than urban communities. Family and inter-family feuds can go for decades and "keeping face" is still a big motivation for violence. A study called "Perfis Territoriais de Criminalidade em Portugal (2009-2019)" - google it for details - showed that with some clarity. For example, in terms of "crimes against physical integrity" (which includes murder), in the metro area of Lisbon, Lisbon proper was at the 6-7.5 (per 1,000) range, as were Montijo, Moita, Sesimbra, and Setúbal. Only Barreiro was in the highest range (7.6-15.7). All other municipalities were in lower ranges, with Mafra at the lowest (2.0-3.7). Inland rural districts like Bragança, Guarda, and Castelo Branco were as violent or *more* violent (per 1,000 inhab.) than Metro Lisbon, and certainly more violent than the district of Lisbon (which is quite non-violent in its northern half): no municipality in Bragança was at the lowest range; Guarda and Castelo Branco were more diverse, but overall the violence rate was bigger than in Lisbon. The most violent municipality was Vila Nova de Foz Coa, a place with 1/4 to 1/2 the percentage of foreign residents compared to any municipality in the Lisbon metro area. Other notably violent municipalities: Elvas, Ferreira do Alentejo, 1/3 of Madeira, pretty much all of São Miguel, São Jorge, and Graciosa in the Azores (and the rest of the archipelago is not that great either), Mêda, Freixo de Espada à Cinta, Mirandela, Santa Marta de Penaguião, Mesão Frio, Resende, Alijó (a hub for drug trafficking since at least the 1980s, when there were virtually no foreigners there), 1/3 of Portalegre, the municipalities in the region of Serra da Estrela and Cova da Beira... The difference is, in these regions, you are probably the victim of your own kin or neighbours you've known all your life, not of some random guy that mugs you on the street.
@@GazilionPT The kind of violence you describe between Portuguese with family feuds etc does not concern me. I do not interact with or have conflicts with the Portuguese around me. In fact, there are no Portuguese people living in my immediate vicinity. I worry about things like theft as much or more than I do about murder. In my 3 years in Portugal, I have encountered 4 incidents of crime in my life and those of people around me. Two were thefts involving Brazilian immigrants, one was an assault involving 2 men from Pakistan and another was a burglary involving some Africans. 3 of these incidents occurred in Coimbra and one in Pombal. None took place in or around Ansiao, where I reside and I was not the direct victim in any of them. I think that if you look at more up to date statistics and focus on other crimes including crimes against property, robberies, assaults, drug offences and of course sex related crimes, you will find a different story when it comes to the rate of migrant involvement. Certainly, this holds true in the UK, France and Italy. I do not see how it would be different in Portugal. The only crime that I am aware of in my area involving a Portuguese was an incident in which a Portuguese man had a large, dangerous dog and it attacked an elderly expat. Terrible, but I am not really sure it is being investigated as a crime. Aside from that, drunk driving is pretty common among some Portuguese people where I reside. Nobody seems to have accidents or get prosecuted for it though.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 I checked the same study ("Perfis Territoriais de Criminalidade em Portugal (2009-2019)") for crimes against property. Ansião has, indeed, a low rate of such crimes (lowest range, 3.5-9.0/1,000). The worst spots in the Centre region (but still, on the 2nd worst range, 18.1-32.2) are Aveiro, Nazaré, and Óbidos. But if we focus specifically in house burglary, Ansião (2nd worst range, 1.9-3.1) is actually worse than both Coimbra and Leiria (both in the middle range, out of 5 tiers). And the worst spot in pretty much the whole country, apart from most of the Algarve, is actually a neighbouring municipality: Alvaiázere. Worse than anywhere in both the Lisbon and the Porto metro areas. (Granted, you don't need to be a resident of Alvaiázere to commit a crime in Alvaiázere. Criminals can commute, too.) Were those crimes committed by immigrants? I don't know. Some of them, probably. Most of them? Almost certainly not. It's true there is a higher percentage of foreigners in prison (14.3% of prisoners, as of 2021) than the percentage of foreigners in the overall population (5.24%). So, proportionally, foreigners have a higher conviction rate. But it must be said that an important chunk of the 14.3% of foreign prisoners were not immigrants, but rather professional criminals that travelled to Portugal with the specific intent of committing a crime (e.g. at the behest of an international criminal organisation, like drug trafficking) and were arrested during or after that. But, in the end, Portuguese prisoners still represent 85.7% of the overall prison population, so you're still much more likely to be a victim of a Portuguese than that of a foreigner. And, contrary to what is often said, the increase in immigration was not followed by an increase in foreign prisoners: in 2011, 20.1% of prisoners were foreign; the number steadily decreased every single year, reaching 14.3% in 2021. That, despite the increase in foreign population.
I don't know if you speak Portuguese. I surely hope so if you've been there for 5 years. I respect your honesty. Most Americans who live there really think that Portugal is crime free. There is quite a bit of crime in Portugal, according to the Portuguese news. I actually heard that an American was killed in the Algarve resently, but when I tried to get details, I couldn't find anything. As an American who has lived in Portugal, I know that Portugal tries to hide their bad news. I am subscribed to Fala Portugal. There are usually several killings per week. Guns are not the only weapons used to kill. No place is perfect, but the US is big on guns. Guns are used to kill. Need I say more?
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Gun violence in Portugal doesn't have anything to do with gun licences.
In Portugal 30 out of 100 of the residents have a gun licence and own one or more guns , gun violence increase in Portugal is due to increase of immigrants and their illegal guns , mainly from Brazil and Portuguese speaking Africa but the police forces are forbidden to disclose the nationality or ethnicity of the criminals by the government and the media believes it is racism to do it.
In most of the cases you see in the news the shooters and the victims are Gypsies , Brazilians and Africans , among the Portuguese gun violence is usually passional crime and occurs in rural areas where most of the men own hunting guns.
I Think there are less guns per 100 inhabitants now because hunting is not as fashionable and allowed as it used to be but there are a lot more illegal guns and a lot more people using them for sure.
The Portuguese political parties, especially the Left, shout racism so often that it has lost its meaning. To hide statistics and the truth from the public is deceitful and undemocratic. Yet the Left are the ones who are always claiming they have the moral high ground.
Thanks Joric. Good info to have.
You are welcome. Hope you are doing well!
In 2022 crime rate in Portugal ( per 100k ) 0,80 and US 6,38.
Which part of the country of Portugal would you say is the Most Safe?
Corvo Island 😀
@@lxportugal9343 Actually, no. A study called "Perfis Territoriais de Criminalidade em Portugal (2009-2019)" - google it for details - showed that you had very low theft (and overall crime against property) in Corvo, but a very high rate (by Portuguese standards) of crime against people, and extremely high in terms of physical violence (though very low domestic violence).
Most violent crimes in Portugal are committed either within the family (be it domestic violence or violence related to inheritance and other family disputes) or between neighbours that knew each other for all their lives (for reasons related to property limits, water usage, property damage, etc.). Gambling-related violence, including murder, is also relevant, e.g. due to accusations of cheating.
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Terrible news but important info to keep in mind. Thanks.
It's not a good topic to discuss, but several people asked for information.
Good topic. I would like to know more about the legal way of owning toys over there. People from Mehrica and Canada love their toys. Gun violence and crime is typically comited by criminals and with illegally obtained guns. Legal owners know for better.
You can't legally obtain fire arms in Portugal, unless you belong to military or embassy personel. Sorry. Some firearms are smuggled illegally. Police and GNR have arms, and no afraid to use it. When called on the scene, they will arrest anyone armed and threatening to use it. Because there are so few guns, they will just assume it's illegal. It is extremely unlikely to encounter gun shooting in urban areas, and hunters use guns only on Sundays at restricted areas, so it is rarely a problem even for people that go hunting in there.
@@jmbpinto73 It doesn't make much sense what you wrote. When I was there last time I as told long arms for hunting and sport shooting are not a problem with process of getting the permit and have them stored properly (which is pretty common in other countries too). Hand guns are difficult to get permit for and those fall in different category anyways. If my intel is correct, only in Czech Republic possible to have carry license, however, I personally do not care about hand guns. I'm referring to hunting, sport shooting and collecting. There are bunch of shooting ranges in PT and also gun stores. It may not pop up with google searches but they do exist which means people have them.
@@jmbpinto73 Your information is factually wrong. It is legally possible for a civilian to obtain a firearm, either for hunting or sporting purposes, even if it is (as it should be) a long , protracted and gradual (from the start, there are restrictions on the type of weapon that may be acquired, some of those restrictions being able to be removed after some time and provided you comply with specific requirements) process, with multiple checks. Also, in such cases, even if granted a license for a firearm, the places to use it and the way it is transported are highly regulated.
Additionally, the possibility of acquiring a firearm for self defence is acknowledged, but is virtually impossible to achieve for a civilian, unless one is a policeman, a magistrate or a diplomat.
If a serious crime is reported and the name, nationality etc are not reported then you know that you are not dealing with a native born Portuguese person. It is standard practice nowadays to protect against racism by omitting details that would lead people to conclude that certain groups were perhaps responsible for more crime that their fair share. If you see the word machete mentioned as a weapon, in almost all cases that would be Africans. They love their bladed weapons. What you are describing in Lisbon is a world apart from my life in rural central Portugal. Here, there are very few immigrants from the global south and miraculously also almost no violent crime. I am sure that is simply coincidence. Nothing to see there at all.
Sometimes is easy to guess who... just by knowing how it happened
Your idyllic view of rural Portugal may be based on your personal reality, but it is far from being the reality of rural Portugal in general.
Contrary to popular belief, rural communities are often times more violent than urban communities. Family and inter-family feuds can go for decades and "keeping face" is still a big motivation for violence.
A study called "Perfis Territoriais de Criminalidade em Portugal (2009-2019)" - google it for details - showed that with some clarity.
For example, in terms of "crimes against physical integrity" (which includes murder), in the metro area of Lisbon, Lisbon proper was at the 6-7.5 (per 1,000) range, as were Montijo, Moita, Sesimbra, and Setúbal. Only Barreiro was in the highest range (7.6-15.7). All other municipalities were in lower ranges, with Mafra at the lowest (2.0-3.7).
Inland rural districts like Bragança, Guarda, and Castelo Branco were as violent or *more* violent (per 1,000 inhab.) than Metro Lisbon, and certainly more violent than the district of Lisbon (which is quite non-violent in its northern half): no municipality in Bragança was at the lowest range; Guarda and Castelo Branco were more diverse, but overall the violence rate was bigger than in Lisbon. The most violent municipality was Vila Nova de Foz Coa, a place with 1/4 to 1/2 the percentage of foreign residents compared to any municipality in the Lisbon metro area.
Other notably violent municipalities: Elvas, Ferreira do Alentejo, 1/3 of Madeira, pretty much all of São Miguel, São Jorge, and Graciosa in the Azores (and the rest of the archipelago is not that great either), Mêda, Freixo de Espada à Cinta, Mirandela, Santa Marta de Penaguião, Mesão Frio, Resende, Alijó (a hub for drug trafficking since at least the 1980s, when there were virtually no foreigners there), 1/3 of Portalegre, the municipalities in the region of Serra da Estrela and Cova da Beira...
The difference is, in these regions, you are probably the victim of your own kin or neighbours you've known all your life, not of some random guy that mugs you on the street.
@@GazilionPT The kind of violence you describe between Portuguese with family feuds etc does not concern me. I do not interact with or have conflicts with the Portuguese around me. In fact, there are no Portuguese people living in my immediate vicinity. I worry about things like theft as much or more than I do about murder. In my 3 years in Portugal, I have encountered 4 incidents of crime in my life and those of people around me. Two were thefts involving Brazilian immigrants, one was an assault involving 2 men from Pakistan and another was a burglary involving some Africans. 3 of these incidents occurred in Coimbra and one in Pombal. None took place in or around Ansiao, where I reside and I was not the direct victim in any of them.
I think that if you look at more up to date statistics and focus on other crimes including crimes against property, robberies, assaults, drug offences and of course sex related crimes, you will find a different story when it comes to the rate of migrant involvement. Certainly, this holds true in the UK, France and Italy. I do not see how it would be different in Portugal.
The only crime that I am aware of in my area involving a Portuguese was an incident in which a Portuguese man had a large, dangerous dog and it attacked an elderly expat. Terrible, but I am not really sure it is being investigated as a crime. Aside from that, drunk driving is pretty common among some Portuguese people where I reside. Nobody seems to have accidents or get prosecuted for it though.
@@thecryptostrategist2433 I checked the same study ("Perfis Territoriais de Criminalidade em Portugal (2009-2019)") for crimes against property.
Ansião has, indeed, a low rate of such crimes (lowest range, 3.5-9.0/1,000). The worst spots in the Centre region (but still, on the 2nd worst range, 18.1-32.2) are Aveiro, Nazaré, and Óbidos.
But if we focus specifically in house burglary, Ansião (2nd worst range, 1.9-3.1) is actually worse than both Coimbra and Leiria (both in the middle range, out of 5 tiers). And the worst spot in pretty much the whole country, apart from most of the Algarve, is actually a neighbouring municipality: Alvaiázere. Worse than anywhere in both the Lisbon and the Porto metro areas. (Granted, you don't need to be a resident of Alvaiázere to commit a crime in Alvaiázere. Criminals can commute, too.)
Were those crimes committed by immigrants? I don't know. Some of them, probably. Most of them? Almost certainly not.
It's true there is a higher percentage of foreigners in prison (14.3% of prisoners, as of 2021) than the percentage of foreigners in the overall population (5.24%). So, proportionally, foreigners have a higher conviction rate. But it must be said that an important chunk of the 14.3% of foreign prisoners were not immigrants, but rather professional criminals that travelled to Portugal with the specific intent of committing a crime (e.g. at the behest of an international criminal organisation, like drug trafficking) and were arrested during or after that.
But, in the end, Portuguese prisoners still represent 85.7% of the overall prison population, so you're still much more likely to be a victim of a Portuguese than that of a foreigner. And, contrary to what is often said, the increase in immigration was not followed by an increase in foreign prisoners: in 2011, 20.1% of prisoners were foreign; the number steadily decreased every single year, reaching 14.3% in 2021. That, despite the increase in foreign population.
What is the Global south?
I don't know if you speak Portuguese. I surely hope so if you've been there for 5 years.
I respect your honesty. Most Americans who live there really think that Portugal is crime free. There is quite a bit of crime in Portugal, according to the Portuguese news.
I actually heard that an American was killed in the Algarve resently, but when I tried to get details, I couldn't find anything.
As an American who has lived in Portugal, I know that Portugal tries to hide their bad news.
I am subscribed to Fala Portugal. There are usually several killings per week. Guns are not the only weapons used to kill.
No place is perfect, but the US is big on guns. Guns are used to kill. Need I say more?
Portugal tries to hide????? 😀😀😀
Just read/turn on Correio da Manhã... it's all there