Hatfield~McCoy Braveheart Trail Review & What to Expect

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  • Опубліковано 12 лип 2024
  • Hatfield~McCoy Braveheart Trail fire side review. This is a very real, grass roots discussion with Brian & Melissa Fisher on the Braveheart trail and Hatfield~McCoy in general.
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  • @jeffcudd6003
    @jeffcudd6003 5 місяців тому +4

    Please do more talks and shows. Watched kids grow up and always enjoyed. I went to Hatfield McCoy for the first time because of your show and have loved ever since.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  5 місяців тому

      You bet, we have more coming in 24. We have some pretty epic trips lined up that we’ll be filming. You’ll be able to catch them here on UA-cam.

  • @bobsterner5597
    @bobsterner5597 6 місяців тому +3

    Life is an adventure. Wether it's getting caught on a train track or watching kids grow up or working your ass off for a living. It's just fun being able to sit back and reminisce down the road. It's up to you how you live it to enjoy it.
    I AGREE about taking things for granted. Pennsylvania now has the pilot trails and you have the few that abuse it. Frustrates me to no end.
    Keep on riding and enjoying life's adventures.
    Thank you for" keeping it real ".

  • @gregw9662
    @gregw9662 10 днів тому +1

    Think I enjoyed this more than the other videos. New subscriber here.

  • @timrose5380
    @timrose5380 6 місяців тому +3

    Can’t wait to try Braveheart , campfire chat was a 👍🏻

  • @blackanodize1
    @blackanodize1 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video. Love the casual format around the campfire.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thanks buddy! Appreciate ya.👍🏼

  • @WVbilly
    @WVbilly 6 місяців тому +1

    Really enjoyed this great work guys!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, appreciate you watching!

  • @hlpressley
    @hlpressley 6 місяців тому +1

    Good times! Thanks for sharing! Congrats on the new grandchild! Hope to see yall out on the trails soon!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you! We’ll be out on the trails again soon. 👍🏼

  • @michaelanddiamondsadventures
    @michaelanddiamondsadventures 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video keep up the good work looks fun around the fire looks fun

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you, appreciate you watching my friend.

  • @tnmomma7491
    @tnmomma7491 6 місяців тому +1

    Loved this video and campfire talk. God bless!

  • @edmoore8171
    @edmoore8171 6 місяців тому +1

    Thought it was great keep it real.

  • @robbinsfarm4702
    @robbinsfarm4702 6 місяців тому +3

    yall need to do more videos, really enjoyed it

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +2

      We agree, we’ll have a lot more content coming your way in 24! 👍🏼

  • @philliplucke1339
    @philliplucke1339 6 місяців тому +1

    Really enjoyed the campfire chat and can’t wait to check it out

  • @91camaro100
    @91camaro100 6 місяців тому +1

    Love the fireside chat. Nicely done.

  • @justinwymer9598
    @justinwymer9598 4 місяці тому +1

    I love what you guys do! I hope you guys bring back live talk Tuesday! We all Miss it!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  4 місяці тому +1

      We are doing Live Talk in our Off-Road Family, we’re getting ready to launch our own community & app for the Off-Road Family in a week or two. . Stay tuned for the announcement my friend. 👍🏼

  • @billlavoie7272
    @billlavoie7272 6 місяців тому +1

    Checking those trails out are a bucket list of mine. Congratulations on the grand baby it’s an amazing feeling for sure ! 🎉

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Yes sir, you gotta check them out Bill, we love our new addition to the family! ❤️

  • @donniepenix1333
    @donniepenix1333 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video guys, like the campfire setting.

  • @c.g.grooms1751
    @c.g.grooms1751 6 місяців тому +1

    Really enjoyed the campfire talk, liked the clips of your ride.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you, appreciate your feedback and watching! 👍🏼

  • @jeromesmith1243
    @jeromesmith1243 6 місяців тому +2

    Thanks Brian can't wait to go camping this spring great video

  • @mikebennett5284
    @mikebennett5284 4 місяці тому +1

    Glad I found your channel use to watch you on tv before you tube !!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  4 місяці тому

      Welcome back, thanks for watching my friend. 👍🏼

  • @tballhaus
    @tballhaus 6 місяців тому +1

    I missed you guys. Thanks for the fireside chat. Looking fwd to riding the Braveheart trails.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Yes sir, hope you enjoy the Braveheart. Thanks for watching! 👍🏼

  • @colstonpritchard8928
    @colstonpritchard8928 6 місяців тому +1

    Looking forward to checking out Braveheart. Thanks for the vid.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Yes sir! Good to hear from you buddy! Just an FYI, we have our own Off-Road Family social community & App launching soon, should be up and running early February. We’re back to doing Live Talk in the family on Facebook & UA-cam. We also have another Reunion scheduled and we’ll be scheduling more rides. Hope y’all are doing great, take care my friend! ✌🏼

  • @HARPOZ
    @HARPOZ 6 місяців тому +2

    Looks like a great time at the Braveheart trail system. Lots of things to see when going to the Mann Gilbert area. Really like the talk around the campfire, telling stories type of video👍🏼
    We have been fortunate enough to visit most of the Hatfield McCoy Trail systems, but one of my favorites days was when we were riding with you guys to the newly opened Warrior Trail System. Not sure if you remember but we got the Police escort to the Warrior trail, and I think he even had his lights on. That day was the Maiden Voyage of the “No Turn Talon”!
    Hope you are all doing well, and spoil that Grand Baby!
    Jesse-Laura

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +2

      Yes sir, I remember that ride. Good to hear from you buddy! Just an FYI, we have our own Off-Road Family social community & App launching soon, should be up and running early February. We’re back to doing Live Talk in the family on Facebook & UA-cam. We also have another Reunion scheduled and we’ll be scheduling more rides. Hope y’all are doing great, take care my friend!

  • @user-vq1pp2ty1t
    @user-vq1pp2ty1t 6 місяців тому +1

    Injoyed it!!

  • @tazzloader6147
    @tazzloader6147 6 місяців тому +1

    Nice to see you having a nice time. Hope grand baby and all are doing well. Hope to see you in near future.

  • @timkriz3300
    @timkriz3300 6 місяців тому +1

    I super enjoyed this video felt like you were talking to each of us separately

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, glad you enjoyed it! Thank you for watching… 👍🏼

  • @MidwestAtvGroup
    @MidwestAtvGroup 4 місяці тому +1

    Im heading to HM end of March and hoping they will have the trail open.

  • @dhfd200
    @dhfd200 6 місяців тому +1

    Love the campfire story time.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you, appreciate your feedback and watching!

  • @stevenancykulp5884
    @stevenancykulp5884 3 місяці тому +1

    The holes lined up in a row are auger holes in a coal vane. I talked with an older gentleman in Gilbert that worked on one of the machines. He said it was similar to drilling a well, but horizontal. They just augered the coal out.

  • @Hugo-Hernandez
    @Hugo-Hernandez 6 місяців тому +1

    Awesome video guys. Time flies I remembered watching the episode when toy hauler got stuck on TV. There is no ATV park that compares to Hartsfield & McCoy's. We done 8 of the parks. Our favorite is Ivy Branch, and Pocahontas.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Yes sir, love those trails as well! Hope y’all are doing great my friend…

  • @timmyphillips9023
    @timmyphillips9023 6 місяців тому +1

    Ride on! And keep on keeping it real!

  • @brianbruder6225
    @brianbruder6225 6 місяців тому +1

    I thought it was great, I always enjoy your videos

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you for your support! 👍🏼

  • @eddiepaschall2641
    @eddiepaschall2641 6 місяців тому +1

    Love the video ! Thanks for the Braveheart footage, those holes are from auger mining. Common in that area.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you Eddie, appreciate you watching and for your comment.👍🏼

  • @scottkuhlman5483
    @scottkuhlman5483 6 місяців тому +1

    Great time i felt like i was there with you. Sometime we want to get out there and ride those trails

  • @dougraimondo4683
    @dougraimondo4683 6 місяців тому +1

    Awesome awesome job on the video keep up the talk tour. And try to keep the smoke down and away lol

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      I hear ya, the smoke was intense! 😆

  • @beanzie99
    @beanzie99 6 місяців тому +1

    Loved the flash backs. Nice to just sit around a camp fire and chill. Snacks are the best part of off roading. Got to have jerky and most importantly it needs to be wild bills beef jerky. 🤘

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for watching, glad you enjoyed it. 👍🏼

  • @dougpaulsen5612
    @dougpaulsen5612 6 місяців тому +1

    I Love the ATV World Flashback!!!

  • @matthewturowski8281
    @matthewturowski8281 6 місяців тому +3

    This was a great video, brings back memories. Wife and I were at HM the exact same weekend, I remember finding out Braveheart closed and our plans changed. We were going to stay 3 days at Ashland Resort and then head north and stay 3 more at Twin Hollow. I had planned it for months, knew where the horses were and was going to find the elusive mountain goat on Devil Anse , even had all my restaurants planned out. Rained the first 3 days and tons of mud on the southern systems. Like you we got a call from our daughter but she was babysitting our sick dog. She took a turn for the worst and we made a decision late at night to leave the next morning because we knew the dog was not going to make it. We drove 500 miles back to PA and got to spend some time with the dog before having to put her down. So it was not a great trip, but we did get to ride a few good trails between the raindrops. We have another trip planned for mid May. The highlight for us was riding Cabwalingo on our way down and her telling me she could drive these trails by herself and I could ride my dirt bike at the same time on our next trip. I guess the best thing I learned is that I am lucky to have a trooper for a wife like yours, not too many of them would want to stick with us on the misadventures that always seem to find us.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      So sorry to hear about your dog Matthew, we had the same thing happen a few years back with our dog Max. We were at the airport getting ready to get on a plane flying back from SEMA. Our son Brady called and said Max was dying, unfortunately, we did not make it home in time. Guys like us need a good woman to put up with us. LOL. Hope y’all enjoy your next trip back to H&M! Thank you for watching and sharing your story.

    • @matthewturowski8281
      @matthewturowski8281 6 місяців тому +2

      Thank you, we made it back just in time which good for all of us. Watching you and Melissa reminds me how my wife and I are, we are almost like mirror images. I'm hoping for a good trip this spring.@@FishersOffRoad

    • @edwardstroko4665
      @edwardstroko4665 6 місяців тому

      ⁠@@FishersOffRoadsorry about your dog also Brian!! I know that all too well!! Congrats on the new grandbaby!!😎💪🙏

    • @edwardstroko4665
      @edwardstroko4665 6 місяців тому

      Where u from in Pa? That’s where I live 😎💪🇺🇸

    • @matthewturowski8281
      @matthewturowski8281 6 місяців тому

      Northeast Pa, Luzerne county@@edwardstroko4665

  • @shitheadcatfish
    @shitheadcatfish 6 місяців тому +3

    Dog or maybe a big cat crossed the trail behind yall at 24:22 😅
    Nice video. Like the format and flashbacks!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you, I gotta check that out. Good eye! 👍🏼

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      WOW, it was a big cat! Hard to tell in the video, maybe a Bob cat.

  • @richmachholz3542
    @richmachholz3542 6 місяців тому +1

    Keep 'en it real with a fireside chat was a lot of fun and I enjoyed it immensely, especially since I didn't have smoke in my eyes. I noticed your visitor/observer and that was a very skinny bear or most probably a mountain lion. Might have been a bobcat but it appeared much larger than my Missouri bobcats.
    As an aside : Because of your influence I bought a '22 RMax4 Limited Edition from Yeagers in Sedalia. It is a great rig and I appreciate your on going comments.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  5 місяців тому

      Thank you for watching and for your feedback my friend. 👍🏼

  • @chrisplummer1553
    @chrisplummer1553 6 місяців тому +1

    The Hatfield McCoy trail system is on my bucket list

  • @richard1421
    @richard1421 6 місяців тому +1

    You’re right about trash Brian! Pack it out! My family and I went to Hatfield McCoy (Warrior, Pinnacle Creek, Pocahontas and Indian Ridge) last June. Absolutely gorgeous. We stayed right down from where you got hung up on those tracks. My brother and I noticed all the scrapes in the pavement from trailers. Side note: I own a Can Am Commander Max and love it! Thank you for your review and while back, it made my decision!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      That’s awesome! Thank you for watching my friend!

  • @DonsATVAdventures
    @DonsATVAdventures 6 місяців тому +1

    Looking forward to hopefully checking out the Braveheart trail system in May when we come back to the Hatfield McCoy trails !!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      Hopefully they’ll have it back open by May.

    • @DonsATVAdventures
      @DonsATVAdventures 6 місяців тому +1

      @FishersOffRoad we are hoping so ! Looks like some great views ! Do you have any place on the Northern trails selling your merch ? We rode the southern trails last April but never made it over to Gold and Blue Cabins to get anything unfortunately.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      @DonsATVAdventures no sorry, we don’t at this time.

    • @DonsATVAdventures
      @DonsATVAdventures 6 місяців тому +1

      @@FishersOffRoad ok

  • @user-qk9lc5mj2r
    @user-qk9lc5mj2r 6 місяців тому +1

    Fishers Off-road 👍. The O.G. of ATV video.
    "Keeping it real"

  • @quadzilla819
    @quadzilla819 6 місяців тому +1

    we rode it the day they decided to close. It had rained for days prior and it was a muddy mess. It is a nice system, but it does have some issues that need to be addressed.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      You were there a day before us then.

  • @kevincassidy8131
    @kevincassidy8131 6 місяців тому +1

    I really enjoyed the campfire reflecting, you should do more !!!!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      Thank you, we have more coming this year for sure! 👍🏼

    • @kevincassidy8131
      @kevincassidy8131 6 місяців тому

      We’ve had a fifth wheel since 1999 and the campfire was best thing about camping. Our son is 27 and married and still remembers all the trips we made !!!!

    • @kevincassidy8131
      @kevincassidy8131 6 місяців тому

      You should look at Hillbilly Trails System in Pike County Ky !!!

  • @aljones9114
    @aljones9114 6 місяців тому +1

    Congratulations Brian and Melissa, Bree and her husband on there New addition. It was funny about the snacks. My wife and I took our step daughter up to H and M. I wanted to take them to Pineville to eat Mexican. We pulled into ashland , unloaded. I did not remember how far it was to Pineville from Ashland. Just FYI ,it is 30 miles by trail. We got out on the trail and after a while we stopped for a snack. Wife asked me where the snacks were. Told her I got the water, snacks were her job. Long story short, we had fun, but she was not to happy. We love H and M. We live in Statesville, NC. We ride up Bramwell and come home the same day. Go to Gilbert when we have longer weekends. Look fwd to more videos. Hope y'all have a great 2024.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  5 місяців тому

      Thank you for watching and for your trail adventure story. 👍🏼

  • @RTOutdoors
    @RTOutdoors 6 місяців тому +1

    When you mentioned Rockhouse, I remembered a motel a couple miles from the trailhead in Gilbert. At the end of the day, they would have a fire and everyone would just gather and hang out. I think the owners name was Ken? Only stayed there a couple times but really enjoyed that experience. I think you guys filmed there with some country artists several years ago. Hope all is well.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Yes sir, it was the Mountain Breeze Motel, owners name was Bill Reed, we stayed there several times.

  • @vaoff-roadlife9710
    @vaoff-roadlife9710 6 місяців тому +1

    We got to ride Braveheart before they closed it down and it was a rainy day which made those fresh trail straight slop!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Yeah, it was pretty wet the day we rode it too. ☔️

  • @ranbrown15
    @ranbrown15 6 місяців тому +1

    Great video! Wife & I are moving from AZ to TN in the next few months, & gonna need some riding buddies!!
    Hey... question about the tiki torch lights that I see in the video.
    Are they for ambulance... or for at night to keep predators away?
    Need to learn the TN ways!!
    Thanks so much.
    Randy

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      They were for ambiance, just looked cool in the video. You’ll love TN, it’s awesome for sure!

  • @DirtyJakTheDustyBean
    @DirtyJakTheDustyBean 6 місяців тому +1

    Love to ride and camp! What kind of tent is that, looks just like our Cabellas Alaskan Guide? We are ready to get back down to those trails!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      Yes sir, that’s what it is. Good eye. 👍🏼

  • @andydavidson3803
    @andydavidson3803 6 місяців тому +1

    They are auger mining shafts. Bear wallow has them as well. Locals told us about them at the McDonald's in Logan.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thanks for your feedback Andy. 👍🏼

  • @billstapleton8833
    @billstapleton8833 6 місяців тому +1

    The holes that I seen just a few minutes into your vlog is auger holes ,like huge drill bits that cuts into the coal and it augers the coal back out to the outside ,as the auger goes deeper another flight of auger is put bebind the first one and it augers till another flight is added....

  • @rileyfindley7207
    @rileyfindley7207 6 місяців тому +2

    Will the northern trail be conected to the southern hatfield and mcoy trail ever be conected ? They keep saying there going to

  • @gregflack9608
    @gregflack9608 3 місяці тому +1

    I have a snacklebox attached to my toolbox

  • @justinevans9073
    @justinevans9073 6 місяців тому +4

    Punch mines. They call them punch mines. Believe it or not, miners would tie a pick to their leg and crawl up to a mile on their belly to mine coal and would push it down past their belly and then kick it back with their feet to a guy behind them who would load the coal into a bag he had tied to his leg and then he would crawl back to the access up to a mile and there’d be a donkey with a cart that they’d dump the coal in and then crawl back in the hole and crawl up to a mile on their belly back to the first guy and do that all day

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +2

      Holy 💩 that would suck! Thanks for the info, much appreciated!

    • @bobhickel4362
      @bobhickel4362 6 місяців тому +1

      Evidently this fellow hasn't spent much time around the mining industry!!! The holes you see were done with machinery. The holes were drilled 2 to 3 hundred feet deep all around the side of the hill or mountain. It's called auger mining!!!

    • @bobhickel4362
      @bobhickel4362 6 місяців тому +1

      LOVE YOUR SHOW AND FAMILY!!! FYI 3 TYPES OF MINING ARE DEEP MINES, STRIP MINES, AUGER MINES. THANKS,RETIRED MINER!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  5 місяців тому

      @@bobhickel4362thank you my friend! 👍🏼

  • @RhinoOffroad-zq8fh
    @RhinoOffroad-zq8fh 6 місяців тому +1

    What was that in the background on the trail at 24:23? Hope you guys brought a dog! Lol

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      We’ve been watching & rewatching since it went up. Not sure, we think it was a bobcat, but that would be a huge bobcat because it was 70 yards away from where the camera was set up. We do have Mountain lion in our area, but we do not see a tail on that cat.

    • @RhinoOffroad-zq8fh
      @RhinoOffroad-zq8fh 6 місяців тому +1

      @@FishersOffRoad yep, it was pretty big whatever it was! First time I have seen this channel and subscribed!

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      @RhinoOffroad-zq8fh thank you very much my friend! 👍🏼

  • @scotschmidt6683
    @scotschmidt6683 6 місяців тому +1

    I have watched your videos for awhile. We bought a 2024 X2 1000 the hen we see you also bought one. What made your decision on the X2 1000?

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      We had several X2 850’s in our rental fleet, they served us well. The new X2 1000 is light years ahead of the 850s. It has everything you need power comfort nimble handling on the trails. Etc.
      How do you like yours?

    • @scotschmidt6683
      @scotschmidt6683 6 місяців тому +1

      @@FishersOffRoad I love the interior . It's like being in my car. We out grew a ranger 570 at the h&m trails. This Yamaha is our new adventure.

  • @496BlockBig
    @496BlockBig 6 місяців тому +1

    24:22 what was that to the left behind tent 👀

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      Thinking it was a big Bob Cat! Hard to tell in the video. Good eye! 👍🏼

  • @davidedwards5474
    @davidedwards5474 6 місяців тому +1

    We rode Brave Heart 2 weeks after it opened. It was cool. Little too easy for me but with time it should get a little rougher. Why did they close it?

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      They had a couple safety concerns they wanted to address.

    • @kingrider75
      @kingrider75 6 місяців тому +1

      We were asked to ride it before it opened and yes it is very tame but a great trail for novice riders. They have some issues that will require a little time to correct.

  • @TheJeffsgsxr750
    @TheJeffsgsxr750 6 місяців тому +1

    Core drilling to get the coal out!

  • @kevintroup5682
    @kevintroup5682 6 місяців тому +1

    Where is the trailhead for Braveheart?

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому +1

      It’s not far from the Rock House trail head. I can’t remember the road it’s off of.

  • @toben42
    @toben42 6 місяців тому +1

    Pin it to win it at the train tracks.

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Heck yeah! I was about to if the train didn’t get stopped. 🤣

  • @jsk4722
    @jsk4722 6 місяців тому +1

    Those are coke ovens. Buffalo mtn has them as well

    • @FishersOffRoad
      @FishersOffRoad  6 місяців тому

      Thank you, appreciate your comment.👍🏼

  • @anthonywrobinson400
    @anthonywrobinson400 6 місяців тому

    Yeah smooth, until all the crack heads get on them with their 38,40 and 42s with the pedal to the floor always spinning the tires and rutting all the roads up in just a couple of years and ruining for others that just like to get out for a scenic trail ride.