Fun fact: if the target is recharging due to hyper beam, sleep moves will bypass accuracy checks to always hit, even if the target already has a different status effect
From a design perspective, Sleep-moves having guarenteed effect on Pokémon that are recharging makes *_perfect_* sense. It working even when the Pokémon is already Burned/Paralyzed/Frozen is unfair competitively, but still makes sense mechanically.
48:58 The irony is, after using Mirror Move to copy Swords Dance twice, Pidgeot's final critical hit was theoretically in your favor. A non-crit would have dealt about twice the damage of the crit. So at that point, the crit was actually good luck. But it was enough to take Oddish out either way, and the lead up to that situation was really bad luck.
How do you reconcile with these kind of _50% chance for all the bad lead up and 5% chance for the final good thing?_ how do you count it? 50% luck against you? 45% luck against you? 2.5% luck against you?
@@ypob2007 He's asking if, in a situation such as "A 50% chance this happens and we lose and have to reset, or a 5% chance THIS happens and we win and can move on," does JRose count that as being a 50% chance to win, a 95% chance to lose, or a 5% chance to win? Basically, does JRose look at it with the best sounding numbers, for the sake of his own mental health, or does he look at it with the smaller, more scrutinized outlook, in order to face the bad luck with a readied approach? If that even makes sense lol.
@@HollandTHG i still understood nothing lol, he didn’t phrase it very well, although it is very hard to phrase math stuff. But from what I understood: If there’s a 50% chance of losing, a 5% of winning, and a 45% of nothing happening (neutral), does jrose see that as a good, bad or neutral win rate?
I just today noticed that you put a color filter over all of your gen 1 solo runs, that corresponds to the color of the pokemon you’re doing a run with. That’s a nice touch
Ya know, I've watched all these videos and one which I think would be really interesting is Porygon. Its so annoying to get one normally, I reckon there's a fair chunk of people who never even bothered getting one, let alone use it
i remember the first time i finally got one, it was So difficult to get i had convinced myself it was going to be an amazing Pokemon.🤦♂️ Needless to say it wasn't "all that and a bag of chips." Basically just had a move that none of the other Pokemon had and it wasn't even that strong, still i was happy to have finally gotten it. 😄👍
@@isaacleillhikar4566 Funny is always how the champion of the league can only afford two potions, and doesn't even have a revive or the like. I mean either you don't use items at all because your the champion. Or you should drown your enemies in items and cheat like a boss.
Actually, the 'lightyears away from beating Brock' line, isn't that random. It's most likely since the gym is right next to the museum, which has a space exhibit. The museum *is* the main attraction of the town, so it makes sense that kids growing up there would pick up space related language. It's pretty common for kids to mimick what they hear and when they learn a new word/phrase (like for example 'lightyear'), they'd use it every chance they get. Because it's new and cool to them
Not quite. "You're X years away from Y" is a fairly common Japanese expression. The kid here is misunderstanding both the meaning of a lightyear and the ability of you as a trainer. It's one of those phrases that doesn't translate well, more akin to saying "you're far too green to challenge Brock".
@@Gunsbeerfreedom87 in the remakes he says "wait a second, light years measures distance, not time!" after you beat him, so I always thought it was supposed to educate the player about the term.
Still, “lightyears away from facing Brock” is accidentally impressive. “Years away from facing Brock” is cliche in Japanese tropes, “lightyears away” implies a human-to-god distance away from beating Brock. Of course since he is an easily beaten trainer and it’s a Japan game “years away” was meant, but lightyears away is so impressive I can see why we let it be.
Magikarp vs Red/Blue: "What is by far the most difficult trainer in this entire run, and of course it's a trainer with an Oddish." Oddish vs Red/Blue: "Worst run ever!"
This channel has always emitted a kind of chill, relaxed watching experience, seeing an entertaining guy doing fun little challenges in a kids game. Sometimes I'm surprised you don't get more frustrated when you get bad luck or run into problems. But then i saw the crit miss against Aerodactyl and noted that there was still 25 minutes of the video left. I am now convinced that your ability to stay cool is some kind of superpower and I have no idea how there wasn't just a cut to black caused by the breaking of technology
The reason you won the Rocket Zubat battle after only taking a single hit was due to the Damage Duplication glitch of Gen I. Basically if you hit a biding foe once but not a second time, the damage for the first hit is duped for the second turn despite no actual damage being incurred, so it’s usually better to just hit the other guy again since you’re being hit back for two turns of damage anyways. Learned about this one while playing myself on Pokémon Showdown. Route 22 Rival vs Brock, as part of a Rival vs Gyms run.
@@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis They didn’t. They auto set 252 SpD EVs in the Import/Export when you make a Gen I mon and it actually affects their Special in battles unless you edit it down to 3 or less.
@mayborneflower Thank you for the explanation, I tried to translate it but your sentence is too complex for my poor english. Could you either give me a link explaning in detail this glitch or rephrasing it ? Would help me to get it ! Thank to anyone doing it :D
@@hobbitdur1001 When you use the move BIDE you get two to three turns of storing damage then you give that back and some more. If and when your opponent hits you the FIRST round but not the SECOND round, you take the damage from the FIRST round and ADD that on your SECOND round. You don't add ZERO. OP then said "better to attack two times because you will take damage as if you did that anyways".
@@YungAcorn I swear I'm the only one here that hates that jingle! I always make a playlist of these videos to fall asleep to because they're so chill (I'm sure there's a word for that that doesn't make me sound like a 12 year old, but whatevs. See? I did it again!), but I always wake up because that part is so much louder than everything else. So apparently I don't even hate the theme song, I just hate amateurs trying their hand at sound mixing...? Welp, I just learned something new about myself, thank you for accompanying me on this journey :)
Another thing that went against oddish is the lack of growth. It would be great to have a +6 stab mega drain hitting everything and restoring almost full HP after each pokemon
ooo that would be sick. Idk why, but I absolutely love all the "lifesteal" moves in pokemon, but they were always kinda lackluster imo. I know Giga -chad- drain was good, but it had pretty low PP if i remember correctly. I haven't played in quite a few generations, do you know if there are any newer decent drain moves? Or any non-grass drain moves? Dream Eater counts, I suppose, and it was pretty awesome (although kinda finicky with the sleep req) Edit: also, you are saying that apparently Growth helps? I assume that just raises special attack, right? Last time I played pokemon I didn't usually bother with non-damaging moves cause I thought they were a waste lolol. I was not a smart kid.
@@idontwantahandlethough leech life is way stronger in the newer games (it's 20 base power in gens 1-6, and got boosted to 80 in gen 7), so it's a pretty good hp draining move there
@@idontwantahandlethough Since Gen V, Giga Drain has had a respectable 75 BP and 10 PP, restoring half its user's health. Same for Horn Leech (Giga Drain, but physical) and Drain Punch (physical Fighting-type attack). Oblivion Wing, Yveltal's signature move, is an 80 BP Flying-type special move with 10 PP, restoring a whopping 75% of damage dealt to its user. Draining Kiss is a Fairy-type special attack that restores a similar proportion, but with only 50 BP.
His videos bring me back to 20 years ago when I was playing Pokémon Blue on my sister's Gameboy Colour or watching my friend play it on hers. Those were the days. :)
If I'm remembering how probability works and I'm counting right, that second to last champion run had charizard hit with fire spin 11 times in a row. With a 70% chance to hit, hitting 11 times in a row only has a 1.9% chance of happening. This truly was the most cursed run
@@AndrooTheNerd yeah I actually went back and watched allll of his other videos (2x speed). The thing surprised me the most was how many videos he did without Agatha lottery, rival fival, count impression, etc. Absolutely no difference between the bulbasaur run and this run (besides just getting better at making vids)
Doesn't matters to me if the others have already made a video about the same pokemon, I'll watch the content anyway. Each youtuber approach and style is unique to them and I love it. I support this channel and the others too, you're all great
I know it's cliché to say, but I was just trying to find something to watch when you uploaded. Hopefully this run didn't take too much a toll on your sanity.
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I've done this run myself - can't recall the specific level I needed to be at, but let's just say I arranged my own "Great Diglett Fainting" to alleviate the speed issue as I progressed.
Just finished watching MDB do this challenge last week. Always so entertaining to see the differences in strategies. I really enjoy and appreciate you both 🙂
Gonna be interesting how Bellsprout and Oddish stack up against each other: they have identical TM movepools, but Bellsprout is slightly less strong specially, slightly stronger physically and frailer, but with slightly more speed. Bellsprout also starts with Growth and Vine Whip which will be huge although he's going to have a similar issue against Bug, Poison and Flying types as Oddish as he only learns Wrap until level 26 offensively. I reckon Growth is going to allow Bellsprout to come out on top, especially as he gets it and Sleep Powder so early.
I guess Bellsprout gets slightly better mileage out of Swords Dance + Double Edge, though that's not very sustainable unless it gets to heal up via Mega Drain
I made an Oddish run, and I found that keep Acid was really great against all of rival fight. At the same time, in your run, the recoil of Double-Edge/Take Down was detrimental.
@@oliverleonard7730 Cut makes that you have to rely on SDance Cut throughout the final part of the game, which is tricky. But it might be good enough. It is highly likely that Acid is better after Sabrina, with only Giovanni being slightly annoying with Acid, I'd assume. I don't know if Acid would be useful against Agatha, because her Ghost mons resist it 4x. They still have poor defense though.
@@hurrayor Sleep Powder/Acid/Sword Dance/Petal Dance was my set until Agatha, where I learnt Mimic in the place of Petal Dance. And I learnt Mega Drain instead of Mimic for the rival. (Giovanni is a joke with Petal Dance)
Loved your adjustment to battle Erica’s gym trainers. They’re not only pretty easy for many types, but you get a ton of money in the process (for vitamins, etc), so it’s probably a good idea to try that in many of these runs
@@Lord_necromancer In gen 3 and up, EVs can be maxed out pretty quickly because it only takes 510 pokemon at most to be at your limit. A lot of mons give 2 or 3, so it'll be a lot less in practice. Gen 1 and 2 stat experience can go up to 65535, though 63504 to max out a given stat, but you can max them all and you only get a Pokemon's base stat in a category for knocking it out. The very quickest you could max one would be knocking out 255 Chanseys to max HP. Looking at average pokemon stats, it takes over 1000 Pokemon to max out your stat Exp, which I'm pretty sure is more than every trainer in the game combined has, so you would need to grind a ton against wild Pokemon to finish.
I didn’t think Oddish would be such a massive pain, especially so early on. With the same typing as Bulbasaur I had hope but a lack of a standard move like Tackle comes with it’s downsides. Thank you JRose for subjecting yourself to this run 🙌🏼
Every time I have a read of the comments I always see a story how JROSE has helped someone going through a hard time with his videos. I think that must be so nice for him to see knowing that his videos have served so much more of a purpose than just fun gaming videos, and the community are so appreciative of an upload.
I cant wait for you to do Butterfree. Confusion at the start wrecks the weedle, the koffing, the zubat, lol, its the exact opposite of Oddish, yet it still gets the moves that makes oddish theoretically good like Mega Drain, and the powders
@@RPFM333 And why not :) The guy rose up in popularity since he does so much awesome work on those games. They both deserve admiration. And for this vid Jrose deserves a plushie and some hot cocoa and a blanket, too... Poor guy.
@@karotconcarne3325 oh nono, don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of both of them, they're basically my only feed in youtube rn, it's just I didn't expected it to be another one who watches and admire them both
The Junior Trainer in Brock's gym says you're light years from being able to beat Brock because Brock is the most skilled trainer he personally knows and is impressed by; it's used as a figure of speech. When you beat him and Brock, he acknowledges that light years are a measure of distance, not of time, and so acknowledges that metaphorically you have reached that great distance in a very short time, making it all the more impressive. One thing that should be noted is the majority of NPCs in the Pokemon games have in-universe been training their Pokemon team from when they were children (usually "training" in the sense of putting them to work in a non-combat capacity helpful to their job, like swimmers having Water types who can save them from drowning). The player character's Pokemon all gain experience faster than most NPCs would get, thus Elite 4 and Champions _not_ having maxed out teams of six level 100 Pokemon with competitively viable movesets and perfect IV/EV/DV spreads. These other characters can have other training methods not available to the player too, hence Dragon Master Lance being able to prematurely evolve a Dragonair into Dragonite below level 55 and teach it "illegal" moves.
The Junior Trainer does not say that additional thing in this version. That was added to the remake to hang a lampshade on his line. Regarding what you say in the second paragraph 100%. People never seem to recognize that just because your Pokémon behave a certain way that doesn't mean that us a universal constant in this world.
I always figured that the player's pokemon gaining experience as quickly and constantly as they do was due to the player being a talented trainer. Like other trainers reach a hard cap with their levels due to not battling as much or training as well so you are an anomaly. Would explain why everybody comments on how well-trained they are.
@@steeldragon95 Yeah in universe your pokemon don't just get buff from slapping caterpies around all day, having a team of fully evolved powerful pokemon is evidence of skill, dedication and hard work. Obviously, the main characters are very gifted and are able to help their pokemon grow more effectively than most other people.
@@tinkerer3399 What are you talking about? In Pokemon Red/Blue, the very version being played in this video, the Junior Trainer's dialogue is as follows: Before battle: Stop right there, kid! You're still light years from facing Brock! Upon defeat: Darn! Light years isn't time! It measures distance! In Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green, the only change is that he says "ten-thousand light years" instead of just "light years". Otherwise the dialogue is identical. In both versions, the intent of his dialogue is that he's saying it'll be a very long time before you stand a chance in a battle against Brock. And then the after-battle dialogue has him realizing that he screwed up and accidentally used a term for distance instead of time. It's... a really simple joke.
When you got that critical hit on the Rival 6 Charizard, in the minutes leading up to that I was thinking "Oddish has a really low speed, so critical hits probably won't be much of a factor in this run, in fact, I don't think I've seen him hit one yet" (maybe he did in the early game when he was Absorbing Pokemon to death and didn't catch it, but those wouldn't made much of a difference early on).
I've heard of that "You're [such and such] years from facing me!" line a few times before. I think it's just a Japanese trope taunt meant to say you're nowhere near skilled enough. What a little punk, though lol
And this is why 'Double Team' strategy should be allowed. Ignore the whole out speeding strategy and just set up evasion from the very first Pokémon in order to beat the game, with any Pokémon, at the lowest level possible...
Hey man, just wanted to say I really enjoy your runs, they've actually been kinda helping me through a rough patch. I just finished my first solo run, using slowpoke in yellow (only after seeing that you'd done a slowpoke run too), and it was thoroughly enjoyable. Thanks for all your content, I'm glad you've shared what you enjoy with the rest of us C:
Jrose saying it wasn't Oddish's fault, it was the game's warmed my heart. I don't know why, but I can't take someone saying a particular Pokemon is bad. I guess that's why I like watching and playing solo challenges. I think every Pokemon is amazing and I want them all to find victory
I think you should run starmie, if you can get past Misty and Surge quickly It could truly give mewtwo a run for its money. It's got good speed, great special, good bulk and an amazing move pool. It may struggle slightly early but post surge it will be extremely easy.
The quadrility of Pyschic, Thunderbolt, Icebeam and Surf should kill just about everything in the game. No Agatha lottery. No BS Lance. Bruno is toast. Worst fights are probably against normal types like Kangaskan, Jinx or other psychic types. Which good AI will make them not use psychic moves against you.
Which level up group is it in? I agree that Starmie would be really good for all the reasons you mentioned, but I still see no real advantages over Mewtwo unless it's in a faster level up group. The Alakazam/Gengar tier is very plausible, though.
This is the most entertaining of these video types I’ve watched. I’m slowly making my way through every ‘can you beat..’ video on your channel but the absolute bs you faced here was genuinely very entertaining 😂 keep it up! Ps. Would love to see Porygon used to beat the game!
I was seething sympathetically at the Elite Four luck. The game put every single obstacle it could possibly muster in your way, but you prevailed in the end!
"I don't think you guys understand what just happened". Jrose, I've seen every one of your videos at least thrice. You got a lot of fans, I think we're up to speed on some of these gen 1 oddities
So, I'm not a statistician, but I feel like the ever increasing levels of salt this run induced into Jrose's bloodstream may have made him misjudge how unlucky he was getting. Sure he lost to some unlikely things here... But they were often all different unlucky things meaning the overall chance of his opponents stumbling into a winning line might not have been as small as he realized. Not to mention a lot of his strats revolved around multiple turns of sleep set up and/or hitting multiple 70-85% hitrate moves meaning that every opposing pokemon received multiple turns to luck into their own wincons. He was so frustrated that when his opponents got _unlucky_ and crit when at 4x attack he still counted that as him getting unlucky when it was the opposite and he was just 100% dead even with the luck.(not that that fight wasn't unlucky just that he was tilted and looking for bad luck where it wasn't) Either way the salt is 100% understandable, and the video was great as always. I do wonder what the actual odds of beating that Aerodactyl was though.
I'm inclined to agree with you. There's a point where you have to wonder if it's actually bad luck vs just a number of points where things can be lost.
While you do have a point, there are some exceptions to consider. Specifically the odds of some of the consecutive situations. Getting hit by Fire Spin? A bit unlucky, but common. 85% accuracy with no external factors influencing it (like boosted or lowered accuracy or evasion) means its more likely to hit than to miss. Getting hit by 2 Fire Spins is, again, not inherently unlucky just because if you're doing enough battles, its bound to happen eventually. But getting hit by Fire Spin twice in a row? Not quite as likely. 70% chance twice isn't good. Getting hit by Fire Spin 3 times in a row? Even less likely. I counted 4 in a row there, he said 5, another comment I saw says 6. Even just 4 isn't likely. 0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7 is only 24%. On top of that, its only the calculation for Fire Spin to hit. Champion Blue has Good AI, and thus will pick a super-effective move, and has Fire Blast and Fire Spin, meaning he has a 50:50 chance of either one. So technically speaking, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is 0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7, or only a 1.5% chance of happening. Now, technically the fact that it chose Fire Spin 4 times instead of ever picking Fire Blast is good luck, since Fire Blast has slightly higher accuracy and much higher damage, but even so, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is pretty low odds. And that's just one example. He also has a low crit chance, at only 6%, and while he's definitely using enough attacks throughout a playthrough that he's guaranteed a few critical hits even with Oddish, the odds of getting so many during the end game is not very high. Again, 6%, or 3 of every 50 attacks, not including status moves since they can't crit. He definitely got more than that in the end game. Again, with how much he plays, the odds are skewed. Oddish fought a lot, and even him resetting still counts towards the probability of these events happening, so he'll definitely get a few crits, and he definitely missed some things that were actually good luck, as well as not realizing how lucky he was with sleep sometimes (though its really not that lucky from what I saw. 1-7 turns, missing the turn you wake, means odds increasing by 1/7 every turn its asleep, starting with zero and finishing with 100%, so there's a 1/7 chance they wake up second turn, 2/7 third turn, which means 2-3 turns isn't too unlikely, and I don't recall him getting the longer ones very often). The bad luck isn't so much it happening at all, the 1/256 glitch is low odds but still almost guaranteed once per run with just how much battling he has to do. The bad luck is it all happening in the same run, and for the stuff that could happen at any point in the run, having it happen a lot more in the end game than the early game. Some of these were quite literally like flipping a coin 30 times and getting 24 heads. Not impossible, but really, really unlikely, and really bad whenever you call tails.
Furthermore, when evaluating your own bad luck, there's a tendency to evaluate only the specific situation that fainted you, not every ordering of those events that would have also fainted you. Is it unlucky that the AI picked certain move X at random and it landed, or were there other more accurate moves that could also have been picked and KO'd Oddish? Not only that, but the 'situation' involves multiple repeats. Missing two sleeps row is 'unlucky', unless you're putting many, many pokemon to sleep - in which case it is *expected* that a percentage of them will not be put to sleep within two turns. That compounds the point about the reliance this run had on 70-85 accuracy moves.
Yeah, he really likes abusing statistics, pointing out the odds of specific events happening when, with his setup, there were a lot of ways for things to go wrong and only a few ways for things to go right. A low speed pokemon with sleep powder and takedown isn't really doing much to encourage good luck.
"No one knows why he says it and it makes no sense." It makes perfect sense. If he said "You're still miles away from facing Brock", not only would everybody understand that he doesn't mean literal distance, they'd understand that he's saying "You're still too weak to face Brock" (whether true or not). He just chose a different unit of distance - not only that, but for those who don't know that light years measure distance, he tells you after the fight.
-> Gets crit vs Charizard -> I don't think you understand what just happened! -> Me, a dedicated jrose viewer who has watched all of your gen 1 runs at least once: Oh, but I do...
Your dedication to these challenges truly inspires me in ways I don't even understand myself. You make me want to create my own Pokemon videos, and I think one day soon I will do just that. PLEASE never stop creating content, I could watch you play through these games a billion times with different weak ass Pokemon and still enjoy the hell out of eveery single one! I LOVE you and I love your videos!
I really wish instead of 9 grass/poisons, they had made one of the 1st grasses also ground type. The oddish line would be a good candidate and’ve made this run way faster.
There should've been way more type variety in gen 1. Why would they introduce monotype gym leaders without there being at least 5 or 6 pokemon of each type? Hell for Bruno he even had Poliwrath and Primeape to put on his team but they gave him two onixes anyway.
Pretty sure the whole point of the E4 in gen 1 was to give them basically the rarest types. There were 3 dragons, 3 ghosts, 5 ice types and 8 fighting types because somethingsomething rare = strong. Ofc doesn't do diddly to explain the two onixes, but yeah, pretty sure that's the reason.@@EresirThe1st
I kind of figured if this was the "Worst Run Ever" that it would end up in the bottom tier with Pidgey and Abra. I mean, that E4 performance alone would've convinced me. But still, I would not suggest this to my worst enemy.
@@3eve0n I always felt like how a pokemon can deal with bad luck should factor into their ranking. Like, say you get hit with a crit or level up at a bad spot, a good pokemon would be able to bounce back from that and win the battle, while bad pokemon can't. Oddish is the example of a pokemon that simply cannot handle any amount of bad luck without fainting.
@@Purple-Popcorntm uh, did we watch the same video? there were several times when he still got some bad luck but made it through the fight. He just had bunch sequences of REALLY bad luck, like the fire spin chain against charizard. This isn't the first time either, iirc, the dratini video had some really bad luck as well. Are you saying dratini should be bottom tier, too?
Hi JRose11! Really enjoyed watching your video :) But it looked like you were struggling a bit! I've played a couple of the games before and I've got some pointers for you if you like. Firstly, you can actually use more than one Pokémon on your team; you can have up to six! That would make you much more likely to win. Secondly, you can actually evolve your Pokémon to make them into more powerful forms; Oddish, for example, can evolve into Gloom, and maybe even more! I really hope you improve as I think you could be a really great Pokémon Trainer one day :) All the best, Nick
He flew planes, which the army do have but does make it more likely he was in the Air Force anyway. Though he was also apparently a commanding officer which, again is possible but would be weird to achieve as just a lt. and then never get promoted so maybe he’s just lying about the whole thing
@@rueblie2627 My headcanon is that he was demoted before discharge, because his use of Pokemon in combat was a war crime :P Beyond that, in the original Japanese he was a Major, which is believable for a CO.
As far as these types of runs go I find yours to be the best way to go about it, far more interesting having you go through the elite four without saving
You got to feel for Oddish. After getting Swords Dance it can finally hit hard, but basically OHKOs itself with confusion caused by its own Petal Dance. A Pokemon as bad at the solo run as it is cute.
34:13. When you beat the sixth rival but there's still over half an hour of video remaining; that's when you know a run is special. Good on you for persevering, man. Keep it up.
in the gen 3 remakes, firered and leafgreen, the trainer at the end of the battle says "lightyears measures time...not distance." almost like a little nod to that original line
I'm truly speechless. I love your videos every single time you upload one I, without fail, would watch it in bed after work and more often than not your voice lulled me to sleep. Today I have free time since it's a sunday and I started watching in the early afternoon and I fell asleep like a complete idiot on my sofa at 3 pm. Moral of the story I think I pavloved myself to sleep everytime I listen to your voice. LOL Thanks for the company Jrose!
Confusion breaks bide bassically allows it to oneshot the same happened in the gengar run when onix used bide when it was confused you dealt 5 damage with night shade and dealt back all 25 or something like that hp
Great video as ever! I know you've said you won't go back and re-do runs, but it continues to make me sad seeing how low down Squirtle is. It's one of the best for these runs but back when you made it you didn't know about badge boosts yet and overwrote Withdraw without a second thought. With Withdraw Squirtle can beat the Elite Four in the mid-50s easily. I understand the reasoning for wanting only one try with each, but your own personal improvement at doing these runs obscures it. Maybe at some point you could do a "redux" video where you take some of those earlier pokemon that were perhaps hard done by and do a run through of all of them in one video, not showing the full runs but highlighting the major improvements and showing where they might go if you were doing them for the first time now? It could be interesting to compare, much like your improved minimum battles video.
It's interesting that inspite it being ahead of many mons in the tier list, looks like it felt much worse to use Oddish than weaker mons. The geodude run was awesome, but this one was so frustrating.
Jrose! Just wanted to say that even though you may have put out the video second, I'll watch your vids exclusively just because I enjoy your personality so much. Thanks for doing what you do
I love how each Pokémon goes through all the same things, and yet you make it seem so fresh because ea h Pokémon deals with things differently. It’s like how in real life, we all have our demons, things that we battle, and one persons battle may seem easy or difficult to another and vice versa. So thank you, jrose, for bringing to life these games. Love you man, keep it up, an may God bless you and keep you safe and sane from all these runs 😂❤️
All your material is top notch and high quality. But this run in particular is one of the best you’ve made, with similar veins to the Red/Blue Magikarp run (which I keep going back to). Many thanks 🙏🏻
Hah, good to see you again. About that lightyear trainer, I think it's probably a mistranslation from the Japanese game. There's a trope in anime where if someone challenges something way above their league, the opponent would go "you're a 100 years too early to challenge me!" or "Hyakunen haiai ze!". In this case the gym trainer thinks you couldn't possibly beat Brock (even if you had a 100 years to prepare, as the saying goes) and so he says that to you. But it seems like it got mistranslated as 'lightyears' (distance) instead of years (time) for whatever reason, which makes the saying not make sense anymore. That being said I can't find footage of the game in Japanese that shows this guy's line there, for all I know the Japanese edition *does* say lightyears. But I think my theory still stands.
You sparked my curiosity, so I looked up a Japanese language Let's Play of Green Version, and skipped ahead to the trainer fight. Before the battle, the Jr. Trainer says: タケシさんに ちょうせん なんて 10000こうねん はやいんだよ！ Which directly translates to, "You're 10000 lightyears too early to challenge Takeshi (Brock)." After defeating the Jr. Trainer, he says: 10000こうねんは。。。じかん じゃない！。。。きょり だ！ Which translates to, "10000 lightyears is... not time! ... It's distance!" So it seems like this conversation was directly translated from Japanese to English. Though it may have been a joke on the common "100 years too early" line, it does indeed say lightyears in Japanese. But I'd have never thought to check if you hadn't mentioned it. ^_^
@@ultlifeform Then I'm glad I mentioned it, thanks for taking that extra step! I'm happy to see you also checked the line after defeating Brock which proves they understood the trope line just fine but chose to alter it probably for the sake of making this one trainer a bit more quirky and entertaining to talk to. Heh, it's funny, now and then I check this channel and I _(involuntarily)_ learn new things about the gen1 pokemon games. :-P
I know “gotta go fast,” but with the trouble Oddish was having, and especially having an idea of how high a level it would need to be, I don’t know why JRose didn’t grind more and fight every trainer early on.
@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 It also starts with Vine-wipe which is better than Absorb and Grows giving it an early badge-boost-glitch. So yes its gonna be way better.
It takes a lot to make bad luck go from funny to tragic especially from a viewers perspective. This run made the Dratini run look like a joke in comparison man do I feel bad you man. That must have sucked. Great video and hopefully Exeggute and Bellsprout will be easier when we eventually get to them
@@AutisticPotato7 Scott's Thoughts. He was doing Red for gen 1 at first and then switched to yellow, uses more metrics, and later started doing *multiple* runs per video to try improving each time. Each of the three (Jrose, Scott, MDB) has there own uniqueness that I like, so I wouldn't say any one is better than the other. Scott does have more Gen 2 though.
"If I use Sleep Powder against the Onix that's a mistake"
Nah. That's your good AI telling you Onix is weak to Grass moves.
Genius!
Top tier comment
This comment is totally Yellow bro.
@@AnotherSeeker this is a new slang
@@neonthunder3261 thats pretty fetch slang
"Worst run ever"
Exeggcute and Zubat are waiting in the wings. It actually does get worse than this.
And again, PIDGEY is as bad as Zubat. Seriously, that thing is atrocious and we all know it.
How bout DAT Weedle eh
@@N12015 STAB Double-Edge and Fly vs. non-STAB Double-Edge and no Fly. Mega Drain doesn't compensate for that. Zubat is worse.
@@jordanthejq12 on the other hand, supersonic
Tangella gotta be on that tier as well
“Now that we’ve beaten the zubat”
This run is gonna be good i can tell
I was playing WoW and when I heard that line I immediately thought to myself ,"somethings wrong I can feel it"
Koga scrying through his crystal ball: "This bodes well."
Good old bide glitch. If you use a non-damaging attack during bide, it’ll use the damage if the last used damage attack.
@@TheHadMatters now that's funny.
I nearly died laughing at that
Fun fact: if the target is recharging due to hyper beam, sleep moves will bypass accuracy checks to always hit, even if the target already has a different status effect
Gen 1's mechanics are so wild that I'm learning new stuff about it all the time. And I've been a fan since 1999!
I found this out on showdown lol
r/todayilearned
From a design perspective, Sleep-moves having guarenteed effect on Pokémon that are recharging makes *_perfect_* sense.
It working even when the Pokémon is already Burned/Paralyzed/Frozen is unfair competitively, but still makes sense mechanically.
Don’t you also do extra damage with stomp after the target uses minimize?
48:58 The irony is, after using Mirror Move to copy Swords Dance twice, Pidgeot's final critical hit was theoretically in your favor. A non-crit would have dealt about twice the damage of the crit. So at that point, the crit was actually good luck. But it was enough to take Oddish out either way, and the lead up to that situation was really bad luck.
You sir, are on point, i suggest to switch name to Sure Surely, dead on.
How do you reconcile with these kind of _50% chance for all the bad lead up and 5% chance for the final good thing?_ how do you count it? 50% luck against you? 45% luck against you? 2.5% luck against you?
@@xXJ4FARGAMERXx what the hell are you trying to say?
@@ypob2007 He's asking if, in a situation such as "A 50% chance this happens and we lose and have to reset, or a 5% chance THIS happens and we win and can move on," does JRose count that as being a 50% chance to win, a 95% chance to lose, or a 5% chance to win?
Basically, does JRose look at it with the best sounding numbers, for the sake of his own mental health, or does he look at it with the smaller, more scrutinized outlook, in order to face the bad luck with a readied approach?
If that even makes sense lol.
@@HollandTHG i still understood nothing lol, he didn’t phrase it very well, although it is very hard to phrase math stuff. But from what I understood:
If there’s a 50% chance of losing, a 5% of winning, and a 45% of nothing happening (neutral), does jrose see that as a good, bad or neutral win rate?
I just today noticed that you put a color filter over all of your gen 1 solo runs, that corresponds to the color of the pokemon you’re doing a run with. That’s a nice touch
Ya know, I've watched all these videos and one which I think would be really interesting is Porygon. Its so annoying to get one normally, I reckon there's a fair chunk of people who never even bothered getting one, let alone use it
Porygon is kinda OP for this run - very fun one to start with
@@michabaron4129 op?
@@guessowii over powered
Over powered?
i remember the first time i finally got one, it was So difficult to get i had convinced myself it was going to be an amazing Pokemon.🤦♂️ Needless to say it wasn't "all that and a bag of chips." Basically just had a move that none of the other Pokemon had and it wasn't even that strong, still i was happy to have finally gotten it.
😄👍
Lance's Wife: "Hi honey! How was your day?"
Lance: "I got beat by a boy with a onion"
Well Lance should of just stopped spamming barrier and agility then lol
@@33dbz He then got a better strat and started spaming full restores.
@@33dbz he can't help it, he has "Good" AI syndrome
@@isaacleillhikar4566 Funny is always how the champion of the league can only afford two potions, and doesn't even have a revive or the like. I mean either you don't use items at all because your the champion. Or you should drown your enemies in items and cheat like a boss.
@@JustaGuy_Gaming He used up all his items on the elite 4, he wasn't expecting a challenger to appear before Prof. Oak.
Actually, the 'lightyears away from beating Brock' line, isn't that random. It's most likely since the gym is right next to the museum, which has a space exhibit. The museum *is* the main attraction of the town, so it makes sense that kids growing up there would pick up space related language. It's pretty common for kids to mimick what they hear and when they learn a new word/phrase (like for example 'lightyear'), they'd use it every chance they get. Because it's new and cool to them
Also this came out right after Toy Story.
Not quite. "You're X years away from Y" is a fairly common Japanese expression. The kid here is misunderstanding both the meaning of a lightyear and the ability of you as a trainer. It's one of those phrases that doesn't translate well, more akin to saying "you're far too green to challenge Brock".
@@Gunsbeerfreedom87 in the remakes he says "wait a second, light years measures distance, not time!" after you beat him, so I always thought it was supposed to educate the player about the term.
@Formor Immington Yeah, I knew he realized the mistake as some point. But yeah, the line is there to demonstrate his ignorance and hubris.
Still, “lightyears away from facing Brock” is accidentally impressive. “Years away from facing Brock” is cliche in Japanese tropes, “lightyears away” implies a human-to-god distance away from beating Brock.
Of course since he is an easily beaten trainer and it’s a Japan game “years away” was meant, but lightyears away is so impressive I can see why we let it be.
Magikarp vs Red/Blue: "What is by far the most difficult trainer in this entire run, and of course it's a trainer with an Oddish."
Oddish vs Red/Blue: "Worst run ever!"
It’s hilarious how these things work out
Weedle: allow me to introduce myself
0:40 we are off to a great start with this one
I already know I’ll love this video.
He didn’t even sing the last note. I’m malding.
@@HypeWrecks I think if he had sang “I will put the theme song here and if I don’t they’ll cry” utilizes every note. 😅
69 likes 👌
Giggled hard.
25:20 Can we just mention the two consecutive full HP Super Potions while Fire Spin is active? Blaine is mocking Jrose11 at this point.
This channel has always emitted a kind of chill, relaxed watching experience, seeing an entertaining guy doing fun little challenges in a kids game. Sometimes I'm surprised you don't get more frustrated when you get bad luck or run into problems. But then i saw the crit miss against Aerodactyl and noted that there was still 25 minutes of the video left. I am now convinced that your ability to stay cool is some kind of superpower and I have no idea how there wasn't just a cut to black caused by the breaking of technology
I like to think he's so extremely upset that he's experiencing an overflow glitch and his brain is at negative anger levels.
@@penguinlad19 so what you're saying is if jrose gets happier we are at risk of a civ 4 Gandhi nuclear event
... you are aware it's a voice-over?
@@miqvPL I'm pretty sure every time someone watches the video jrose stops whatever he's doing to personally narrate whats happening
@@cyphate When we rewind him, we remind time. Can't believe people don't know that. ...must have something to do with not being a Celebi or Dialga.
The color palette used in this run is probably my favorite in the series. The green used is oddly soothing.
Wouldn't say its completely oddly soothing, personally. It makes sense.
But in a way, I guess it's oddish.
The reason you won the Rocket Zubat battle after only taking a single hit was due to the Damage Duplication glitch of Gen I. Basically if you hit a biding foe once but not a second time, the damage for the first hit is duped for the second turn despite no actual damage being incurred, so it’s usually better to just hit the other guy again since you’re being hit back for two turns of damage anyways.
Learned about this one while playing myself on Pokémon Showdown. Route 22 Rival vs Brock, as part of a Rival vs Gyms run.
It baffles me that Pokémon Showdown got the Gen 1 experience to a t.
@@FernandoRafaelNogueiraReis They didn’t. They auto set 252 SpD EVs in the Import/Export when you make a Gen I mon and it actually affects their Special in battles unless you edit it down to 3 or less.
We're this far into the series and still finding new Gen 1 glitches.
@mayborneflower Thank you for the explanation, I tried to translate it but your sentence is too complex for my poor english. Could you either give me a link explaning in detail this glitch or rephrasing it ? Would help me to get it ! Thank to anyone doing it :D
@@hobbitdur1001 When you use the move BIDE you get two to three turns of storing damage then you give that back and some more. If and when your opponent hits you the FIRST round but not the SECOND round, you take the damage from the FIRST round and ADD that on your SECOND round. You don't add ZERO. OP then said "better to attack two times because you will take damage as if you did that anyways".
Honestly, I'll never find your placement on the tier list controversial; you're the one doing the run so you're the best judge of where it should go!
"I'll put the theme song here if I don't then they'll cry." Jrose "Gigachad" 11 2022-
That made me laugh so hard I swear. I love the snark.
@@henrymars6626 I woulda cried if it wasn't in there tho frfr
@@YungAcorn I swear I'm the only one here that hates that jingle! I always make a playlist of these videos to fall asleep to because they're so chill (I'm sure there's a word for that that doesn't make me sound like a 12 year old, but whatevs. See? I did it again!), but I always wake up because that part is so much louder than everything else.
So apparently I don't even hate the theme song, I just hate amateurs trying their hand at sound mixing...? Welp, I just learned something new about myself, thank you for accompanying me on this journey :)
I didn't hear it. When did the jingle play?
@@idontwantahandlethough I feel you so hard on this, holy moly.
Another thing that went against oddish is the lack of growth. It would be great to have a +6 stab mega drain hitting everything and restoring almost full HP after each pokemon
ooo that would be sick. Idk why, but I absolutely love all the "lifesteal" moves in pokemon, but they were always kinda lackluster imo. I know Giga -chad- drain was good, but it had pretty low PP if i remember correctly. I haven't played in quite a few generations, do you know if there are any newer decent drain moves? Or any non-grass drain moves? Dream Eater counts, I suppose, and it was pretty awesome (although kinda finicky with the sleep req)
Edit: also, you are saying that apparently Growth helps? I assume that just raises special attack, right? Last time I played pokemon I didn't usually bother with non-damaging moves cause I thought they were a waste lolol. I was not a smart kid.
@@idontwantahandlethough leech life is way stronger in the newer games (it's 20 base power in gens 1-6, and got boosted to 80 in gen 7), so it's a pretty good hp draining move there
@@idontwantahandlethough Since Gen V, Giga Drain has had a respectable 75 BP and 10 PP, restoring half its user's health. Same for Horn Leech (Giga Drain, but physical) and Drain Punch (physical Fighting-type attack). Oblivion Wing, Yveltal's signature move, is an 80 BP Flying-type special move with 10 PP, restoring a whopping 75% of damage dealt to its user. Draining Kiss is a Fairy-type special attack that restores a similar proportion, but with only 50 BP.
@@idontwantahandlethough I just love lifesteal in general. Every rpg I play, I gravitate towards lifesteal builds.
God I love this guy. I swear he's just got something so charming about his voice and personality.
You sum it up pretty well. I am so happy that I discovered him in 2020. And his English is so easy to understand for Germans. Love it.
@@jabolosdex1041 Ich schlaf zu dem ein xD
@@skilly114 Ich könnte es mir nie verzeihen, wenn ich Rival Fival verpassen würde oder den Count ;)
yeah jrose is awesome. brings me back to when i was 12 years old just watching playthroughs of pokemon done in weird ways
His videos bring me back to 20 years ago when I was playing Pokémon Blue on my sister's Gameboy Colour or watching my friend play it on hers. Those were the days. :)
You actually got a laugh out of me with that theme bit. 😂
Can't believe this isn't the top comment 😄 had to go back and rewatch it 😂
sooo good
WhT theme bit?
@@MazterP28 40 seconds in he does a joke over his typical theme intro.
Same here 😂😂
If I'm remembering how probability works and I'm counting right, that second to last champion run had charizard hit with fire spin 11 times in a row. With a 70% chance to hit, hitting 11 times in a row only has a 1.9% chance of happening. This truly was the most cursed run
New Jrose videos always improve my day, especially when you're releasing practically once a week.
Same. I'm so glad he got an editor. He said before he wouldn't, but I'm glad he did, haven't noticed any change in style or quality.
@@vbph2011 I came here to say the same thing. Zero drop off in quality and it’s way less likely he experiences burnout this way.
@@AndrooTheNerd yeah I actually went back and watched allll of his other videos (2x speed). The thing surprised me the most was how many videos he did without Agatha lottery, rival fival, count impression, etc. Absolutely no difference between the bulbasaur run and this run (besides just getting better at making vids)
Doesn't matters to me if the others have already made a video about the same pokemon, I'll watch the content anyway. Each youtuber approach and style is unique to them and I love it. I support this channel and the others too, you're all great
I know it's cliché to say, but I was just trying to find something to watch when you uploaded. Hopefully this run didn't take too much a toll on your sanity.
I swear me to
I was just arriving home from a forest bath when the notification popped up. technology break is over, time for jrose.
Dm me I'm not a bot ...I swear I'm not a bot .. what r u doing ...don't hit the spam button ...no wait ...WAIT PLEASE ...let's talk this out ...ok good ...so look I know right now times are tough but I have this amazing bridge out in the hamptons I'm trying to sell...wait No no NOOOOO don't gooo don't lock me up again please I'm begging u I'll be good AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH ....dm me u won
its more cliche to spell cliche with the é like that
What about mimic agility n teach takedown over swords dance for final rival
Jrose thank you for still including the intro. I definitely would've cried had it not been there. Much appreciated
"I'll put the theme song here, if I don't then they'll cry..." Absolute Sigma Chad moment. Probably one of the best lines ever spoken on YT.
And he's right, I would've cried
I've done this run myself - can't recall the specific level I needed to be at, but let's just say I arranged my own "Great Diglett Fainting" to alleviate the speed issue as I progressed.
Rip diglett’s
With that and switching the use times of “take down” and “double edge”, I think this run could be a bit easier towards the end
Just finished watching MDB do this challenge last week. Always so entertaining to see the differences in strategies. I really enjoy and appreciate you both 🙂
Couldn't agree more!
This absolutely
Gigachad comment
@@chops3905 I’m going to consider this a compliment even though I’m not sure 😂❤️
Gonna be interesting how Bellsprout and Oddish stack up against each other: they have identical TM movepools, but Bellsprout is slightly less strong specially, slightly stronger physically and frailer, but with slightly more speed. Bellsprout also starts with Growth and Vine Whip which will be huge although he's going to have a similar issue against Bug, Poison and Flying types as Oddish as he only learns Wrap until level 26 offensively. I reckon Growth is going to allow Bellsprout to come out on top, especially as he gets it and Sleep Powder so early.
I guess Bellsprout gets slightly better mileage out of Swords Dance + Double Edge, though that's not very sustainable unless it gets to heal up via Mega Drain
I made an Oddish run, and I found that keep Acid was really great against all of rival fight. At the same time, in your run, the recoil of Double-Edge/Take Down was detrimental.
Before watching the run, i saw oddish' learnset and thought the same. Acid would be better than double-edge
Cut or Acid might have worked well not sure about Cut though.
Acid gets STAB, so it's 60% of Double Edge's power, with no recoil. Probably the better move right up to Bruno.
@@oliverleonard7730 Cut makes that you have to rely on SDance Cut throughout the final part of the game, which is tricky. But it might be good enough. It is highly likely that Acid is better after Sabrina, with only Giovanni being slightly annoying with Acid, I'd assume. I don't know if Acid would be useful against Agatha, because her Ghost mons resist it 4x. They still have poor defense though.
@@hurrayor Sleep Powder/Acid/Sword Dance/Petal Dance was my set until Agatha, where I learnt Mimic in the place of Petal Dance. And I learnt Mega Drain instead of Mimic for the rival. (Giovanni is a joke with Petal Dance)
Loved your adjustment to battle Erica’s gym trainers. They’re not only pretty easy for many types, but you get a ton of money in the process (for vitamins, etc), so it’s probably a good idea to try that in many of these runs
If they're using one Pokemon the whole time I can't imagine they don't have max EVs by then, right? How useful will vitamins be at that point?
@@Lord_necromancer In gen 3 and up, EVs can be maxed out pretty quickly because it only takes 510 pokemon at most to be at your limit. A lot of mons give 2 or 3, so it'll be a lot less in practice. Gen 1 and 2 stat experience can go up to 65535, though 63504 to max out a given stat, but you can max them all and you only get a Pokemon's base stat in a category for knocking it out. The very quickest you could max one would be knocking out 255 Chanseys to max HP. Looking at average pokemon stats, it takes over 1000 Pokemon to max out your stat Exp, which I'm pretty sure is more than every trainer in the game combined has, so you would need to grind a ton against wild Pokemon to finish.
I didn’t think Oddish would be such a massive pain, especially so early on. With the same typing as Bulbasaur I had hope but a lack of a standard move like Tackle comes with it’s downsides. Thank you JRose for subjecting yourself to this run 🙌🏼
Not to mention the lack of Leech Seed for recovery and Razor Leaf for easy crits (yes even with that speed stat) really hurts it.
I felt that “get me out of here!” when you beat charizard hahaha
Every time I have a read of the comments I always see a story how JROSE has helped someone going through a hard time with his videos. I think that must be so nice for him to see knowing that his videos have served so much more of a purpose than just fun gaming videos, and the community are so appreciative of an upload.
That's because modern society is filled with mental illness.
I cant wait for you to do Butterfree. Confusion at the start wrecks the weedle, the koffing, the zubat, lol, its the exact opposite of Oddish, yet it still gets the moves that makes oddish theoretically good like Mega Drain, and the powders
You can do minimum battles with Butterfree though its really hard. I've done it twice. I can't wait to see Jrose use it.
@@willpat3040 he already did Butterfree a few weeks ago and he did Weedle a month ago and it didn't go well
Thats why i always train one up in a playthrough for an early psychic move, at least until i get a better psychic pokemon or another one entirely
You and Scott’s thoughts both coming in clutch with content for us fans!
Didn't think I get to see Scott referenced in an JRose video
@@RPFM333 And why not :) The guy rose up in popularity since he does so much awesome work on those games. They both deserve admiration. And for this vid Jrose deserves a plushie and some hot cocoa and a blanket, too... Poor guy.
@@karotconcarne3325 oh nono, don't get me wrong. I'm a big fan of both of them, they're basically my only feed in youtube rn, it's just I didn't expected it to be another one who watches and admire them both
And both do painful runs this week.
@@RPFM333 they are both awesome and have way more patience than I do for these runs.
Man, I can feel how rough this run must have been. I hope you know that we greatly appreciate what you do to provide great content for us!
“Would you describe Jrose11 as a bit odd?” Me: ‘I mean, he’s Odd-ish.’
A little gloomy.
But his plumage is fantastic
Bro 😂😂😂😂 "put the theme song here if I don't they'll cry"
@@drew4126 I was cracking up at that part. 💀
@@AT-il2ej Bruh like have you seen those petals dance?!
The Junior Trainer in Brock's gym says you're light years from being able to beat Brock because Brock is the most skilled trainer he personally knows and is impressed by; it's used as a figure of speech. When you beat him and Brock, he acknowledges that light years are a measure of distance, not of time, and so acknowledges that metaphorically you have reached that great distance in a very short time, making it all the more impressive.
One thing that should be noted is the majority of NPCs in the Pokemon games have in-universe been training their Pokemon team from when they were children (usually "training" in the sense of putting them to work in a non-combat capacity helpful to their job, like swimmers having Water types who can save them from drowning). The player character's Pokemon all gain experience faster than most NPCs would get, thus Elite 4 and Champions _not_ having maxed out teams of six level 100 Pokemon with competitively viable movesets and perfect IV/EV/DV spreads. These other characters can have other training methods not available to the player too, hence Dragon Master Lance being able to prematurely evolve a Dragonair into Dragonite below level 55 and teach it "illegal" moves.
The Junior Trainer does not say that additional thing in this version. That was added to the remake to hang a lampshade on his line.
Regarding what you say in the second paragraph 100%. People never seem to recognize that just because your Pokémon behave a certain way that doesn't mean that us a universal constant in this world.
I always figured that the player's pokemon gaining experience as quickly and constantly as they do was due to the player being a talented trainer.
Like other trainers reach a hard cap with their levels due to not battling as much or training as well so you are an anomaly.
Would explain why everybody comments on how well-trained they are.
@@steeldragon95 Yeah in universe your pokemon don't just get buff from slapping caterpies around all day, having a team of fully evolved powerful pokemon is evidence of skill, dedication and hard work. Obviously, the main characters are very gifted and are able to help their pokemon grow more effectively than most other people.
@@tinkerer3399 What are you talking about? In Pokemon Red/Blue, the very version being played in this video, the Junior Trainer's dialogue is as follows:
Before battle: Stop right there, kid! You're still light years from facing Brock!
Upon defeat: Darn! Light years isn't time! It measures distance!
In Pokemon Fire Red/Leaf Green, the only change is that he says "ten-thousand light years" instead of just "light years". Otherwise the dialogue is identical.
In both versions, the intent of his dialogue is that he's saying it'll be a very long time before you stand a chance in a battle against Brock. And then the after-battle dialogue has him realizing that he screwed up and accidentally used a term for distance instead of time. It's... a really simple joke.
I was just thinking about this run yesterday. I can't wait to see how this goes.
I took one look at Oddish's learnset and immediately knew Agatha would be an issue lol
Production quality is taking a nice step up. Great work AJ!
Haha, hey thanks!
When you got that critical hit on the Rival 6 Charizard, in the minutes leading up to that I was thinking "Oddish has a really low speed, so critical hits probably won't be much of a factor in this run, in fact, I don't think I've seen him hit one yet" (maybe he did in the early game when he was Absorbing Pokemon to death and didn't catch it, but those wouldn't made much of a difference early on).
You don't know how happy I'm that you're back to uploading often, I love your channel so much
Nice PFP.
@@RaphielShiraha64 Thank you! (>^-^)>
This run was a rollercoaster. But I loved every second of it. Watching your run and MDBs run were both fun.
I've heard of that "You're [such and such] years from facing me!" line a few times before. I think it's just a Japanese trope taunt meant to say you're nowhere near skilled enough. What a little punk, though lol
And this is why 'Double Team' strategy should be allowed. Ignore the whole out speeding strategy and just set up evasion from the very first Pokémon in order to beat the game, with any Pokémon, at the lowest level possible...
Your new editor is the hero we all needed
You know after a run like that…you should treat yourself with an OP Starmie run!
I haven't heard you this frustrated in a while.
Thanks for enduring this for us. It was worth it, a very entertaining and exciting run to the end
Hey man, just wanted to say I really enjoy your runs, they've actually been kinda helping me through a rough patch. I just finished my first solo run, using slowpoke in yellow (only after seeing that you'd done a slowpoke run too), and it was thoroughly enjoyable. Thanks for all your content, I'm glad you've shared what you enjoy with the rest of us C:
I freakin cackled at the improvised theme song
Great stuff man! Love your vids
Jrose saying it wasn't Oddish's fault, it was the game's warmed my heart. I don't know why, but I can't take someone saying a particular Pokemon is bad. I guess that's why I like watching and playing solo challenges. I think every Pokemon is amazing and I want them all to find victory
To me, any pokemon that can learn pedal dance is awesome. It's such a cool move
The building sense of excitement/impatience/desperation in his voice as he battles Blaine at 26:01 is pretty funny
I watched the MDB one too! I love both you guys, I have really nasty anxiety sometimes at night and you guys are so comforting to listen to.
I think you should run starmie, if you can get past Misty and Surge quickly It could truly give mewtwo a run for its money. It's got good speed, great special, good bulk and an amazing move pool. It may struggle slightly early but post surge it will be extremely easy.
The quadrility of Pyschic, Thunderbolt, Icebeam and Surf should kill just about everything in the game. No Agatha lottery. No BS Lance. Bruno is toast. Worst fights are probably against normal types like Kangaskan, Jinx or other psychic types. Which good AI will make them not use psychic moves against you.
@@FinalCataclsym Staryu is actually pure water so good AI wouldn't avoid psychic moves.
@@sakurintamaki177 They were talking about Starmie and not Staryu...
Which level up group is it in? I agree that Starmie would be really good for all the reasons you mentioned, but I still see no real advantages over Mewtwo unless it's in a faster level up group. The Alakazam/Gengar tier is very plausible, though.
@@FinalCataclsym tetralogy *
This man has beaten Pokémon more times then I've talked to real people
The theme song had me cry laughing. I dunno why it just got me.
This is the most entertaining of these video types I’ve watched. I’m slowly making my way through every ‘can you beat..’ video on your channel but the absolute bs you faced here was genuinely very entertaining 😂 keep it up! Ps. Would love to see Porygon used to beat the game!
Amazing jingle, 10/10, would cry again.
The runs where you can tell he's close to a mental breakdown are always the best, thanks JRose!
I was seething sympathetically at the Elite Four luck. The game put every single obstacle it could possibly muster in your way, but you prevailed in the end!
"I don't think you guys understand what just happened". Jrose, I've seen every one of your videos at least thrice. You got a lot of fans, I think we're up to speed on some of these gen 1 oddities
Jrose, I genuinely get excited to see your solo runs. Keep up the great work!
So, I'm not a statistician, but I feel like the ever increasing levels of salt this run induced into Jrose's bloodstream may have made him misjudge how unlucky he was getting.
Sure he lost to some unlikely things here... But they were often all different unlucky things meaning the overall chance of his opponents stumbling into a winning line might not have been as small as he realized. Not to mention a lot of his strats revolved around multiple turns of sleep set up and/or hitting multiple 70-85% hitrate moves meaning that every opposing pokemon received multiple turns to luck into their own wincons.
He was so frustrated that when his opponents got _unlucky_ and crit when at 4x attack he still counted that as him getting unlucky when it was the opposite and he was just 100% dead even with the luck.(not that that fight wasn't unlucky just that he was tilted and looking for bad luck where it wasn't)
Either way the salt is 100% understandable, and the video was great as always.
I do wonder what the actual odds of beating that Aerodactyl was though.
I'm inclined to agree with you. There's a point where you have to wonder if it's actually bad luck vs just a number of points where things can be lost.
While you do have a point, there are some exceptions to consider. Specifically the odds of some of the consecutive situations.
Getting hit by Fire Spin? A bit unlucky, but common. 85% accuracy with no external factors influencing it (like boosted or lowered accuracy or evasion) means its more likely to hit than to miss.
Getting hit by 2 Fire Spins is, again, not inherently unlucky just because if you're doing enough battles, its bound to happen eventually. But getting hit by Fire Spin twice in a row? Not quite as likely. 70% chance twice isn't good. Getting hit by Fire Spin 3 times in a row? Even less likely. I counted 4 in a row there, he said 5, another comment I saw says 6. Even just 4 isn't likely. 0.7*0.7*0.7*0.7 is only 24%. On top of that, its only the calculation for Fire Spin to hit. Champion Blue has Good AI, and thus will pick a super-effective move, and has Fire Blast and Fire Spin, meaning he has a 50:50 chance of either one. So technically speaking, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is 0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7*0.5*0.7, or only a 1.5% chance of happening. Now, technically the fact that it chose Fire Spin 4 times instead of ever picking Fire Blast is good luck, since Fire Blast has slightly higher accuracy and much higher damage, but even so, getting hit by 4 Fire Spins in a row is pretty low odds. And that's just one example. He also has a low crit chance, at only 6%, and while he's definitely using enough attacks throughout a playthrough that he's guaranteed a few critical hits even with Oddish, the odds of getting so many during the end game is not very high. Again, 6%, or 3 of every 50 attacks, not including status moves since they can't crit. He definitely got more than that in the end game.
Again, with how much he plays, the odds are skewed. Oddish fought a lot, and even him resetting still counts towards the probability of these events happening, so he'll definitely get a few crits, and he definitely missed some things that were actually good luck, as well as not realizing how lucky he was with sleep sometimes (though its really not that lucky from what I saw. 1-7 turns, missing the turn you wake, means odds increasing by 1/7 every turn its asleep, starting with zero and finishing with 100%, so there's a 1/7 chance they wake up second turn, 2/7 third turn, which means 2-3 turns isn't too unlikely, and I don't recall him getting the longer ones very often). The bad luck isn't so much it happening at all, the 1/256 glitch is low odds but still almost guaranteed once per run with just how much battling he has to do. The bad luck is it all happening in the same run, and for the stuff that could happen at any point in the run, having it happen a lot more in the end game than the early game. Some of these were quite literally like flipping a coin 30 times and getting 24 heads. Not impossible, but really, really unlikely, and really bad whenever you call tails.
Furthermore, when evaluating your own bad luck, there's a tendency to evaluate only the specific situation that fainted you, not every ordering of those events that would have also fainted you. Is it unlucky that the AI picked certain move X at random and it landed, or were there other more accurate moves that could also have been picked and KO'd Oddish?
Not only that, but the 'situation' involves multiple repeats. Missing two sleeps row is 'unlucky', unless you're putting many, many pokemon to sleep - in which case it is *expected* that a percentage of them will not be put to sleep within two turns. That compounds the point about the reliance this run had on 70-85 accuracy moves.
In a game where everything is luck based every so often you're going to get stuff that's just absolutely ridiculous. See Werster lol
Yeah, he really likes abusing statistics, pointing out the odds of specific events happening when, with his setup, there were a lot of ways for things to go wrong and only a few ways for things to go right. A low speed pokemon with sleep powder and takedown isn't really doing much to encourage good luck.
The ensign Surge joke is killing me. I forgot about the joke until Jrose just casually called him that.
What's the joke?
@@rand5106 He said Surge was too pitiful to be a Lieutenant and he should be a lower rank. That’s why he started to call him Ensign Surge.
The intro!😂
Love that found your channel. I'm excited to watch this entire series!
oh that's crazy that you and dry bread put out Oddish runs just a few days apart. I'm excited to see how your results differ.
Weeks I think but always fun to see what choices they make.
"No one knows why he says it and it makes no sense."
It makes perfect sense. If he said "You're still miles away from facing Brock", not only would everybody understand that he doesn't mean literal distance, they'd understand that he's saying "You're still too weak to face Brock" (whether true or not). He just chose a different unit of distance - not only that, but for those who don't know that light years measure distance, he tells you after the fight.
I love how much emotion you can still put into this, even though it's after the fact :)
-> Gets crit vs Charizard
-> I don't think you understand what just happened!
-> Me, a dedicated jrose viewer who has watched all of your gen 1 runs at least once: Oh, but I do...
Great vid👌
Can't wait for the scyther vs pinser rivalry to be settled :)
Keep up the great work 👌
I want to see Magmar, Electabuz and Jynx
Your dedication to these challenges truly inspires me in ways I don't even understand myself. You make me want to create my own Pokemon videos, and I think one day soon I will do just that. PLEASE never stop creating content, I could watch you play through these games a billion times with different weak ass Pokemon and still enjoy the hell out of eveery single one! I LOVE you and I love your videos!
I really wish instead of 9 grass/poisons, they had made one of the 1st grasses also ground type. The oddish line would be a good candidate and’ve made this run way faster.
Would have worked with them being mandrakes
There should've been way more type variety in gen 1. Why would they introduce monotype gym leaders without there being at least 5 or 6 pokemon of each type? Hell for Bruno he even had Poliwrath and Primeape to put on his team but they gave him two onixes anyway.
@@EresirThe1st couldn't agree more. Posting a challenge video about this soon.
Pretty sure the whole point of the E4 in gen 1 was to give them basically the rarest types. There were 3 dragons, 3 ghosts, 5 ice types and 8 fighting types because somethingsomething rare = strong. Ofc doesn't do diddly to explain the two onixes, but yeah, pretty sure that's the reason.@@EresirThe1st
Man, I've watched all your videos at least 2 times now, its nice to have a new one to watch several times over again
I kind of figured if this was the "Worst Run Ever" that it would end up in the bottom tier with Pidgey and Abra. I mean, that E4 performance alone would've convinced me. But still, I would not suggest this to my worst enemy.
"worst run ever" not "worst pokemon ever". he just got really bad luck, which shouldn't effecting ranking.
he just got incredibly bad luck. it is a suboptimal Pokémon, but it shouldn't have been nearly this hard
@@3eve0n I always felt like how a pokemon can deal with bad luck should factor into their ranking. Like, say you get hit with a crit or level up at a bad spot, a good pokemon would be able to bounce back from that and win the battle, while bad pokemon can't. Oddish is the example of a pokemon that simply cannot handle any amount of bad luck without fainting.
@@Purple-Popcorntm uh, did we watch the same video? there were several times when he still got some bad luck but made it through the fight. He just had bunch sequences of REALLY bad luck, like the fire spin chain against charizard. This isn't the first time either, iirc, the dratini video had some really bad luck as well. Are you saying dratini should be bottom tier, too?
@@Purple-Popcorntm Also leveling up mid battle has nothing to do with luck. there is absolutely no randomness at all involved with gaining EXP.
Hi JRose11!
Really enjoyed watching your video :) But it looked like you were struggling a bit! I've played a couple of the games before and I've got some pointers for you if you like. Firstly, you can actually use more than one Pokémon on your team; you can have up to six! That would make you much more likely to win. Secondly, you can actually evolve your Pokémon to make them into more powerful forms; Oddish, for example, can evolve into Gloom, and maybe even more! I really hope you improve as I think you could be a really great Pokémon Trainer one day :)
All the best, Nick
As a military vet, it never fails to cause a twitch when you call Lt. Surge, who was in the Army, by a Navy rank.
Well done as always :P
probably bc josh is canadian not american
@@dwestside6945 Ensign isn't a rank in the Canadian military at all though : /
They go from Cadet to Lieutenant.
He flew planes, which the army do have but does make it more likely he was in the Air Force anyway.
Though he was also apparently a commanding officer which, again is possible but would be weird to achieve as just a lt. and then never get promoted so maybe he’s just lying about the whole thing
@@rueblie2627 My headcanon is that he was demoted before discharge, because his use of Pokemon in combat was a war crime :P
Beyond that, in the original Japanese he was a Major, which is believable for a CO.
@@pearofclubs6280 yes I see I misunderstood you, cheers
As far as these types of runs go I find yours to be the best way to go about it, far more interesting having you go through the elite four without saving
You got to feel for Oddish.
After getting Swords Dance it can finally hit hard, but basically OHKOs itself with confusion caused by its own Petal Dance.
A Pokemon as bad at the solo run as it is cute.
I love how Oddish's menu sprite is just a little flower 🌸
This run basically told the Dratini one to “hold my beer”.
34:13. When you beat the sixth rival but there's still over half an hour of video remaining; that's when you know a run is special. Good on you for persevering, man. Keep it up.
in the gen 3 remakes, firered and leafgreen, the trainer at the end of the battle says "lightyears measures time...not distance." almost like a little nod to that original line
“For the record, I love this job.”
What a hero.
Me: what an interestingly painful run, let's see how it goes
Jrose: I introduce to you the rocket Zubat
*This Gon be good*
I'm truly speechless.
I love your videos every single time you upload one I, without fail, would watch it in bed after work and more often than not your voice lulled me to sleep. Today I have free time since it's a sunday and I started watching in the early afternoon and I fell asleep like a complete idiot on my sofa at 3 pm.
Moral of the story I think I pavloved myself to sleep everytime I listen to your voice. LOL Thanks for the company Jrose!
Would love to see a Krabby true solo run still, Surf, Cut and Strength 😄
That ending to the champion fight was CRAZY. GG well played
Confusion breaks bide bassically allows it to oneshot the same happened in the gengar run when onix used bide when it was confused you dealt 5 damage with night shade and dealt back all 25 or something like that hp
Great video as ever!
I know you've said you won't go back and re-do runs, but it continues to make me sad seeing how low down Squirtle is. It's one of the best for these runs but back when you made it you didn't know about badge boosts yet and overwrote Withdraw without a second thought. With Withdraw Squirtle can beat the Elite Four in the mid-50s easily. I understand the reasoning for wanting only one try with each, but your own personal improvement at doing these runs obscures it.
Maybe at some point you could do a "redux" video where you take some of those earlier pokemon that were perhaps hard done by and do a run through of all of them in one video, not showing the full runs but highlighting the major improvements and showing where they might go if you were doing them for the first time now? It could be interesting to compare, much like your improved minimum battles video.
It's interesting that inspite it being ahead of many mons in the tier list, looks like it felt much worse to use Oddish than weaker mons. The geodude run was awesome, but this one was so frustrating.
Jrose! Just wanted to say that even though you may have put out the video second, I'll watch your vids exclusively just because I enjoy your personality so much. Thanks for doing what you do
I love how each Pokémon goes through all the same things, and yet you make it seem so fresh because ea h Pokémon deals with things differently. It’s like how in real life, we all have our demons, things that we battle, and one persons battle may seem easy or difficult to another and vice versa. So thank you, jrose, for bringing to life these games. Love you man, keep it up, an may God bless you and keep you safe and sane from all these runs 😂❤️
All your material is top notch and high quality. But this run in particular is one of the best you’ve made, with similar veins to the Red/Blue Magikarp run (which I keep going back to). Many thanks 🙏🏻
Hah, good to see you again. About that lightyear trainer, I think it's probably a mistranslation from the Japanese game. There's a trope in anime where if someone challenges something way above their league, the opponent would go "you're a 100 years too early to challenge me!" or "Hyakunen haiai ze!". In this case the gym trainer thinks you couldn't possibly beat Brock (even if you had a 100 years to prepare, as the saying goes) and so he says that to you. But it seems like it got mistranslated as 'lightyears' (distance) instead of years (time) for whatever reason, which makes the saying not make sense anymore. That being said I can't find footage of the game in Japanese that shows this guy's line there, for all I know the Japanese edition *does* say lightyears. But I think my theory still stands.
There's also a museum with a space shuttle in it in the same town as Brock, so it could just be a reference to that.
You sparked my curiosity, so I looked up a Japanese language Let's Play of Green Version, and skipped ahead to the trainer fight. Before the battle, the Jr. Trainer says:
タケシさんに ちょうせん なんて 10000こうねん はやいんだよ！
Which directly translates to, "You're 10000 lightyears too early to challenge Takeshi (Brock)." After defeating the Jr. Trainer, he says:
10000こうねんは。。。じかん じゃない！。。。きょり だ！
Which translates to, "10000 lightyears is... not time! ... It's distance!" So it seems like this conversation was directly translated from Japanese to English. Though it may have been a joke on the common "100 years too early" line, it does indeed say lightyears in Japanese. But I'd have never thought to check if you hadn't mentioned it. ^_^
@@ultlifeform Then I'm glad I mentioned it, thanks for taking that extra step! I'm happy to see you also checked the line after defeating Brock which proves they understood the trope line just fine but chose to alter it probably for the sake of making this one trainer a bit more quirky and entertaining to talk to. Heh, it's funny, now and then I check this channel and I _(involuntarily)_ learn new things about the gen1 pokemon games. :-P
I know “gotta go fast,” but with the trouble Oddish was having, and especially having an idea of how high a level it would need to be, I don’t know why JRose didn’t grind more and fight every trainer early on.
I'm really curious how Bellsprout would compare.
It's got Wrap, so that's certainly an edge.
@@maninthetrenchcoat5603 It also starts with Vine-wipe which is better than Absorb and Grows giving it an early badge-boost-glitch. So yes its gonna be way better.
@@muffinn1337 I hadn't considered Growth. Good point
It takes a lot to make bad luck go from funny to tragic especially from a viewers perspective. This run made the Dratini run look like a joke in comparison man do I feel bad you man. That must have sucked. Great video and hopefully Exeggute and Bellsprout will be easier when we eventually get to them
Prewatch: I had to go back and see if Scott did this run on yellow yet, and he did it on Red so now my big three have all done it in red ;-;
Scott who? Is this another UA-cam channel, please enlighten me.
Probably Scott’s Thoughts, another challenge runner who seems to be far more test-focused than impressive-focused
@@AutisticPotato7 Scott's Thoughts. He was doing Red for gen 1 at first and then switched to yellow, uses more metrics, and later started doing *multiple* runs per video to try improving each time. Each of the three (Jrose, Scott, MDB) has there own uniqueness that I like, so I wouldn't say any one is better than the other. Scott does have more Gen 2 though.
@@MentalDaxter I'm gonna binge him after this then thanks