@@realchezboi pretty much, sadly it’s one of the reasons I decided to not put effort. Sure it’s cool and all, but man visuals do play apart in these Capcom versus games
When MvCI came out I absolutely fell in love with the game. I really wish it got more support. Was really thinking about getting it on Steam and getting back into it but I can't imagine there being a big enough scene online to take it seriously.
This man has now done the impossible task of somehow making me pick up two games I originally thought were bad because other people said so (MvCi and SFxT) .
Alright, you sold me on Arthur's zoning in MVCI. I love platforms and platfighter. I also love oppressing others with projectile mix. Short hop extensions and drift do be giving me melee vibes. 🤔
Short hop and air drift? Sounds like Smash! I love these mechanics and always thought it'd be interesting to see this combination in a more traditional fighting game. Pretty funny seeing Arthur doing Falco's SHL pressure.
@@eliasnicolasmiranda4940 Yeah, Sakurai definitely took inspiration from SNK games for Smash. Short hops, running, (guard cancel) rolls. Even the KO system might be inspired by "out of bound" in Real Bout Fatal Fury. It's really interesting to see the evolution of fighting game mechanics.
movement was always the future of fighting games, you can say that Smash is the endpoint of that philosophy and everything else will eventually catch up in their own way.
@@simongotborg3866 But smash plays nothing like KoF or a traditional fighter and is better for it. You're also horribly stretching by mentioning guard cancels, probably inspired by that awful "landing a hit smash vs FGC" video. Guard cancels cancel blockstun at the cost of meter, rolls and jumps OoS are just options you do out of shield ONCE BLOCKSTUN FINISHES, it's not a cancel of blockstun, it's a completely different thing. The similarities between ring outs and smash's KO system are also very superficial. The whole game of smash is build around it, with increasing percent changing combo's and what moves are kill moves, edgeguarding, recoveries, ledge mechanics. None of these things are essential to the concept of ring outs but they are fundamental to smash's KO system. Smash isn't an evolution of fighting games, it's a revolution. A completely new way of approaching the genre. Which is why there is little to no skill translation between smash and traditional fighters
You drill down and structure your topics in such a natural way that, with the background music, it just kinda feels like the positive selective memory version of hanging out in a friend's garage. Thank you.
Oh hey I'm in this video :D I definitely agree about Arthur in MvCI benefiting a lot from short hop and subsequently the double jump cancels from air-OK projectiles. I do think some of the system mechanics like reflect and being able to destroy most of his normal projectiles are the other side of that double edged sword but that's irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's definitely the biggest upgrade he got going from 3 to Infinite in exchange for losing some pretty vital tools like the invincible slash and consistent overhead properties on the jS.
I hope that Capcom will be willing to make a new MvC. If they do, I'd like to see them make essentially a better version of MvCI, with many of the same mechanics but with more fan favorite characters, a better artstyle and better voice acting.
Not likely. It's not on Marvel to make the decision anymore. Since Disney got involved, they cannot do anything with the IP unless they say so. It's the same reason why there were no mutants in MVCI and so on. It's sad, but unless Marvel is able to stand on It's own and make a product by itself as a company, which it can't anymore, we're not getting anything new
@@akiraishin7141 As sad as that is, I guess it's true. If Marvel's not willing to make a new MvC, then I at least hope that Capcom can make a crossover fighting game with their own characters, like a better version of Capcom Fighting Jam. Though I have a feeling that might also be very unlikely. At least it's slightly more likely than a new MvC.
@@akiraishin7141 That wasn't Disney, it was just Ike Perlmutter being an ass. Now that he's no longer in charge, there aren't as many of these dumb restrictions for games anymore.
I would like to add that MvCI did a great job of finally balancing high mobility characters, cause other than moving a lot they just don't do much for your team. Unpopular opinion maybe, but they're just really good if you pair them with great support characters like hawkeye or winter soldier. They shoot you from full screen then you tag and use the projectile to go in. Really simple but a tried and true meta gameplan. You pair nova and captain marvel, both with fantastic mobility but really poor projectiles and they will rarely be able to help each other, and you're almost forced to go reality stone. And you'll probably die by keep away. Or by running into power stone hitbox. This, in my opinion, makes flight characters not that great in this game, so I almost feel like they NEED the extra short hop help. Still very good, but not top tier anymore.
wait. youre telling me there are traditional fighters where i can jump without feeling like im playing the original castlevania?? I thought this was a dark magic only smash possessed... may have to check these games out! thank you theoryfighter!
Most anime fighters have ways to alter your jump momentum too. Most of em use double jumps and airdashes, and some like Melty Blood do let you have a bit of an aerial drift too. That dedicated landing spot thing is mostly just in 1v1 Capcom titles and NRS titles lmao
MVCI was my main game for a long while. I got it on release day and I had such a blast with the roster. Then, when Winter Soldier came out, I discovered my favorite versus character of all time! Watching matches of this game especially nowadays just gets me itching to throw it on and mess around with teams and stones again.
I really wish the whole MCVI situation broke a different way... :( That one quote in one interview from ComboFiend just blew everything up for MVCI... I bet it wasn't that simple, but still. I wasn't aware that this makes Infinite stand out from the other Marvels or maybe even other VS games. I hope the VS series isn't gone for good...
I shit you not when I say I didn't even know this mechanic even existed till now and it looks like an incredibly intresting option which I am definetly going to use now that I know of its existence (yes i still play this game from time to time). This adds to the pile of reasons as to why Mvci is my favourite Marvel game to play.
Said it better than I ever could. People give me weird looks when I defend MVCI. This is just one reason why I think this is the best Marvel game. Thank you.
MvCI didn't get a fair shake. It's quite fun and has lots of creativity like the other versus titles. Glad to see you explore some aspects of the game. Also shout out to the Gauntlet the Greatest MvCI Tournament in the World!
@@mattyryon it's fine if you didn't like it and I can understand that. However, let's not pretend everyone met the game with open arms. There was heavy criticism upon release and it was memed heavily. I should clarify that there was a lot of hate because of the graphics and lack of X-Men. In general the gameplay was not nearly criticised as much as those aspects of the game from what I saw. I could be wrong.
@@terrabull1639 I am saying that the criticism weighed against it wasn't unfair either, and if anything people defending the game talking about "solid gameplay" were more misleading than any criticism, as the gameplay was extremely shallow relative to prior VS games and it was basically a dead game from a gameplay meta standpoint from a few months in.
You have me convinced, game was on my steam wishlist for a while without buying it. Next time I have some spare time and cash, or when the game goes on sale I will give it a shot.
I'm sure if he got together with the other MVCI defenders (like Max) they could probably put together a pretty nice wave of new players into it. Probably wait until it goes on sale on Steam though.
MvCI was an awesome game, mechanically speaking. If Capcom hadn't dropped the ball so hard in terms of marketing, visual design, etc, it could have been a huge success.
That’s some serious cap Did you not play the game or somthing? Mvci is whack and is only fun until you figure out how to play it If marvel 2-3 didn’t exist sure it’s pretty aight but it’s a direct downgrade from previous entries so much so that marvel 3 is still be played competitively
@@kobunzthat’s such a weird take. That’s like saying SFIV is bad because people still play Third Strike or Alpha. You could also literally say the same about MVC3 because it has its own detriments to gameplay like X Factor or game defining characters like Dark Phoenix, Zero and etc.
@@phsquared1000 mvci is incredibly shallow compared to marvel 2-3 If you like it play it and have a blast But saying the game “died cause of Disney/capcom” is just ridiculous the core gameplay loop is whack Once you learn the limitations of the gameplay mechanics People figured that out in droves after release sorry you missed the wave When a game is brand new information is passed around exponentially faster than when it’s aged When the initial wave of players leave a bad game a huge swath of information goes with it. Game was super fun for like a month and then shit got optimized and the shallow nature of the game started to show The balance patch was cool and fresh but the same core problems remained and anyone who wanted to play competitive fighting games moved on Now we are half a decade in and the people who trickle in are staying in the month one phase longer as they don’t have the player pool to bounce ideas off of to optimize and stay at the relatively low level that is indeed very fun
As a fighting game I’ve always enjoyed marvel infinite I understand why people didn’t like it otherwise but by all means it’s mechanically a really great game, it just could’ve used some X-Men and maybe some better care in the visuals.
I have two questions as a rookie: 1) If everyone is going to use short hop anyways then why do we even have a "normal" jump in the first place? 2) Whey did the fandom seemingly forget about MVCI so quickly and just play MVC3U?
To answer the first one: Most likely an execution barrier. For example: Nobody would use any other button if Electric Wind God Fist had the same properties but was easier to do
Because MvCI was a straight up bad launch and the way Combofiend talked about "functions" rubbed people the wrong way. Besides the Battle for the Stones tournament, the game was getting basically 0 push from Capcom, so it wasn't like SFV where you had to play it to stay competitive, and people stuck with the game they liked more, no matter if MvCI was actually good or not
If you haven’t already, I suggest you cover the topic of Scaling in fighting games. My favorite iteration of this is in Black Magic 2, where how the Scaling was implemented made it so any character could be added, but the game would still be fair no matter what. Not even hackers can avoid this Scaling in Black Magic 2.
I have always said I think MCV Infinite was actually pretty good from a gameplay standpoint. I hope Capcom brings back the VS formula but with Disney and the explosion in popularity of the Marvel brand Capcom can't afford the license anymore. I think Capcom vs Konami could work.
@@cheef825 On the topic of RPGs I see people say they want a Capcom Vs Bandai Namco. That already happened but it was an RPG that only came out in Japan.
As someone who doesn't usually like Versus games, Marvel Infinite is one of the few I REALLY like watching without getting annoyed by the grime and the chaos (alongside DBFZ). I now realize the hop might be a decent part of that, and for that I thank you. Any incentive for the characters to stay closer to the ground and longer blockstrings is something I welcome immensely as a viewer who doesn't play the game, but still wants to see the action with most of the characters on the actual screen.
It’s a similar mechanic by the same name, but not entirely the same. In JoJo HFTF, you can’t control the landing spot after you leave the ground from a hyper hop, making it act more like the hyper hops from the King of Fighters series. This one’s a completely unique hyper hop that I haven’t seen used anywhere else
@@rocksaltinyt yeah it does seem to be a combination of the controllable superjump in MvC with a hyper hop distance. Which makes for really unique movement in infinite.
there's a character specific short hop analog on Rachel Alucard from any blazblue game. Her drive is the ability to use wind to control the momentum of everything on stage and there's a pretty integral tech that involves jumping and using the wind momentum downward to make what is effectively a shorthop. Although the comparison isnt 100% apt since its only on that one character that already has really good mobility to begin with.
I hope there is a mod that changes visuals or smth on tagging in MVC I. Makes it harder to read than it should. Would jump back in the game if it was easier to look at
Watched video hours ago with a different name and thumbnail and sees this in reccomended with new name & thumbnail. "Oh wow two TF vids in one day! ... oh its the same video"
Please make more videos on MVCI, this game had so many great nuances (like the Wall-Bounce/OTG/Ground-Bounce system, stones, and Active Switch in general) that don’t get talked about as often as they should.
Didn’t even talk about super short hop. Not only can you tap down to cut height, but you can tap down again to lower yourself even further to the ground for some ridiculous instant overhead pressure. It helps characters with floaty jumps get mix like chris or hawkeye. And, if you’re insane, you could use it in neutral and have more active aerials than melee. If you’re REALLY fucking insane you can throw in a falling special like arthur’s stuff. TAS bot’s get rejumps from launcher.
Thank you for talking about this game, I feel that it was bullied soo hard that the company abandoned it unfairly. This won't make capcom look back at it, but hopefully this will get more people to try it out.
This was such a good mechanic. I remember Shoultzula bringing it up in the SRK forums prior to release, showing how it could theoretically allow everyone access to 4-way mixups.
I am of the hot take opinion, that, whatever MvCI problems, of which there were many, the core systems that the characters got to interact with, were the best in the series.
Weird question, but is there any reason to normal jump in this game? Hyper hop cuts out super jump's weakness (height), goes as far as a regular jump and obviously gives you aerial drift as you said. Doesn't that make regular jumping redundant, couldn't they just have made regular jump work like this, and axe the admittedly kind of jank 282 input?
I actually hate the absurd verticality in Vs games, whether I'm watching or playing, I want to see both characters on-screen at the same time, not the camera chasing one of the fighters into the air while they dodge around a bunch of attacks I can't even see. Even when I'm the one using the vertical space to do the dodging and winning in the process, the fact that I have to rely purely on my ears and a distracting, flashing indicator doesn't feel good. Actually, winning after an exchange like that feels *_bad_* to me.
MvCI, despite the roster and some graphics (Chun Li is fixed but not Dante...), has a good core to it. The gameplay is great. I hope that later some day we get an MvC4 where they can use more characters besides lame movie ones.
Issues aside, Mvci was so damn fun. Only reason I stopped playing was cause pc matchmaking times just got too much to be worth it. Sad how capcom treated this game.
The amazing amount of control and freedom you have over your movement in Tekken is a big reason why it has remained my favorite fighting game. Also MvC:I is such a tragic game. The people who were behind the gameplay did an amazing job but everything else surrounding it sucked.
The problem with MvCI will always be the roster. Things to make every character on a more even field so you dont have pick top tiers just so you can deal with basic offense, like Hyper Hop, or How Active Switch work, is great. But the issue is that means basically nothing if you dont want to play anyone. I still hate how they thought Winter Soldier was gonna add some spice to a roster that already had Chris Redfield in it, but saved Asura and Kamala Khan for season 2. It really sucks seeing it crash and burn the way it did when the game gets so much praise for its functions. I just cant get into it cause the roster is built on "Its Marvel vs Capcom; it'll sell no matter how lazy we are"
I actually enjoy the gameplay of mvci. My main problem really is the focus on MCU characters. I’m. A 90s kid and back when I was reading comics the avengers, Thor and company were c tier comics. And because of my bias I just can’t stand the mcu. Of course lack of X-men is a big downer for me. I know it’s all pretty superficial. But I like what I like and don’t like what I don’t like.
jumping around and shooting with arthur looks hella fun
i’m just super happy they acknowledged Arthur i had no clue he was in MvC
What’s this? A positive video about MvCI????
I didn’t think we had those
Pretty much anyone who talks about it these days insists it's a really fun game.. maybe one day it'll make a comeback
@@Rukir I’m pretty sure the gameplay is actually pretty fun, but everything else is just, horrible
@@realchezboi pretty much, sadly it’s one of the reasons I decided to not put effort. Sure it’s cool and all, but man visuals do play apart in these Capcom versus games
_And its not made by Max???_
6:14 The floaty jump actually only resembles Super Ghouls n Ghosts. In every other game he jumps super heavy so it’s quite strange.
When MvCI came out I absolutely fell in love with the game. I really wish it got more support. Was really thinking about getting it on Steam and getting back into it but I can't imagine there being a big enough scene online to take it seriously.
ps4 where people mostly play sadly.
my friend tried playing on pc and nothing.
mvci is a discord fighter
@@Johnnycpublic I have it on ps4 as well. I need to find the discord. Want to bring that frank west and arthur heat
@@GroovyDre44 like he said in the video,check around icuhater community ask for people to play or the discord.
The scene is very small but the players in it are insane
@@BakMei1003 yes we are
MVCI getting a fair chance via content creation makes me happy.
This man has now done the impossible task of somehow making me pick up two games I originally thought were bad because other people said so (MvCi and SFxT) .
They really did Nemesis justice in Infinite tbh my favorite MvC character
Alright, you sold me on Arthur's zoning in MVCI. I love platforms and platfighter. I also love oppressing others with projectile mix.
Short hop extensions and drift do be giving me melee vibes. 🤔
Short hop and air drift? Sounds like Smash!
I love these mechanics and always thought it'd be interesting to see this combination in a more traditional fighting game. Pretty funny seeing Arthur doing Falco's SHL pressure.
Haha I blinked twice at DI
And short hop is a KOF mechanic
@@eliasnicolasmiranda4940 Yeah, Sakurai definitely took inspiration from SNK games for Smash. Short hops, running, (guard cancel) rolls. Even the KO system might be inspired by "out of bound" in Real Bout Fatal Fury.
It's really interesting to see the evolution of fighting game mechanics.
movement was always the future of fighting games, you can say that Smash is the endpoint of that philosophy and everything else will eventually catch up in their own way.
@@simongotborg3866 But smash plays nothing like KoF or a traditional fighter and is better for it.
You're also horribly stretching by mentioning guard cancels, probably inspired by that awful "landing a hit smash vs FGC" video. Guard cancels cancel blockstun at the cost of meter, rolls and jumps OoS are just options you do out of shield ONCE BLOCKSTUN FINISHES, it's not a cancel of blockstun, it's a completely different thing.
The similarities between ring outs and smash's KO system are also very superficial. The whole game of smash is build around it, with increasing percent changing combo's and what moves are kill moves, edgeguarding, recoveries, ledge mechanics. None of these things are essential to the concept of ring outs but they are fundamental to smash's KO system.
Smash isn't an evolution of fighting games, it's a revolution. A completely new way of approaching the genre. Which is why there is little to no skill translation between smash and traditional fighters
You drill down and structure your topics in such a natural way that, with the background music, it just kinda feels like the positive selective memory version of hanging out in a friend's garage. Thank you.
Oh hey I'm in this video :D
I definitely agree about Arthur in MvCI benefiting a lot from short hop and subsequently the double jump cancels from air-OK projectiles. I do think some of the system mechanics like reflect and being able to destroy most of his normal projectiles are the other side of that double edged sword but that's irrelevant to the topic at hand. It's definitely the biggest upgrade he got going from 3 to Infinite in exchange for losing some pretty vital tools like the invincible slash and consistent overhead properties on the jS.
Its really a shame they didnt do this game justice. MVCI has the most fun tag system ive ever played.
All the MvC games look awesome in my opinion.
I hope that Capcom will be willing to make a new MvC. If they do, I'd like to see them make essentially a better version of MvCI, with many of the same mechanics but with more fan favorite characters, a better artstyle and better voice acting.
Not likely. It's not on Marvel to make the decision anymore. Since Disney got involved, they cannot do anything with the IP unless they say so. It's the same reason why there were no mutants in MVCI and so on. It's sad, but unless Marvel is able to stand on It's own and make a product by itself as a company, which it can't anymore, we're not getting anything new
@@akiraishin7141 As sad as that is, I guess it's true. If Marvel's not willing to make a new MvC, then I at least hope that Capcom can make a crossover fighting game with their own characters, like a better version of Capcom Fighting Jam. Though I have a feeling that might also be very unlikely. At least it's slightly more likely than a new MvC.
@Paul Perri Yeah. I tend to be a bit wordy with my comments.
@@benjamingesinski9170 the closest crossover you are gonna get in the future is a new Capcom vs SNK
@@akiraishin7141 That wasn't Disney, it was just Ike Perlmutter being an ass. Now that he's no longer in charge, there aren't as many of these dumb restrictions for games anymore.
I would like to add that MvCI did a great job of finally balancing high mobility characters, cause other than moving a lot they just don't do much for your team. Unpopular opinion maybe, but they're just really good if you pair them with great support characters like hawkeye or winter soldier. They shoot you from full screen then you tag and use the projectile to go in. Really simple but a tried and true meta gameplan. You pair nova and captain marvel, both with fantastic mobility but really poor projectiles and they will rarely be able to help each other, and you're almost forced to go reality stone. And you'll probably die by keep away. Or by running into power stone hitbox.
This, in my opinion, makes flight characters not that great in this game, so I almost feel like they NEED the extra short hop help. Still very good, but not top tier anymore.
wait. youre telling me there are traditional fighters where i can jump without feeling like im playing the original castlevania?? I thought this was a dark magic only smash possessed... may have to check these games out! thank you theoryfighter!
Most anime fighters have ways to alter your jump momentum too. Most of em use double jumps and airdashes, and some like Melty Blood do let you have a bit of an aerial drift too. That dedicated landing spot thing is mostly just in 1v1 Capcom titles and NRS titles lmao
Rivals of Aether is fun.
@@GmNdWtchr96 totally agree, not a traditional fighter
most fighting games have aerial movement though?
I didn't even know this mechanic existed! Kind of makes me wanna actually give this game a try!
In a similar vein, games like Melee are still played because of its freedom of expression with movement
so MvCi's innovation is something SNK had been doing in the KOF series for decades
cool
A new TheoryFighter vid is always a must click. Another great video and I learned a ton!
MVCI was my main game for a long while. I got it on release day and I had such a blast with the roster. Then, when Winter Soldier came out, I discovered my favorite versus character of all time!
Watching matches of this game especially nowadays just gets me itching to throw it on and mess around with teams and stones again.
I really wish the whole MCVI situation broke a different way... :( That one quote in one interview from ComboFiend just blew everything up for MVCI... I bet it wasn't that simple, but still. I wasn't aware that this makes Infinite stand out from the other Marvels or maybe even other VS games. I hope the VS series isn't gone for good...
My first thought as someone who doesn't play MVC was this was a video about the Infinites in MVC
I love MvCI. My main gripe was the low-contrast aesthetic presentation that made it hard for me to see what was happening on the screen.
Always love seeing MVCI content
I shit you not when I say I didn't even know this mechanic even existed till now and it looks like an incredibly intresting option which I am definetly going to use now that I know of its existence (yes i still play this game from time to time). This adds to the pile of reasons as to why Mvci is my favourite Marvel game to play.
Really great and interesting video! Respect for donating to the scene!
Said it better than I ever could. People give me weird looks when I defend MVCI. This is just one reason why I think this is the best Marvel game. Thank you.
Never knew this. This is great to see you talk about! You're a champ for supporting this game's scene.
MvCI didn't get a fair shake. It's quite fun and has lots of creativity like the other versus titles. Glad to see you explore some aspects of the game.
Also shout out to the Gauntlet the Greatest MvCI Tournament in the World!
No it definitely got a shot it just was terrible. I have it and tried hard to like it
@@mattyryon it's fine if you didn't like it and I can understand that. However, let's not pretend everyone met the game with open arms. There was heavy criticism upon release and it was memed heavily.
I should clarify that there was a lot of hate because of the graphics and lack of X-Men. In general the gameplay was not nearly criticised as much as those aspects of the game from what I saw. I could be wrong.
@@terrabull1639 I am saying that the criticism weighed against it wasn't unfair either, and if anything people defending the game talking about "solid gameplay" were more misleading than any criticism, as the gameplay was extremely shallow relative to prior VS games and it was basically a dead game from a gameplay meta standpoint from a few months in.
@@mattyryon I disagree but its cool. I can respect your perspective.
@@mattyryon trash opinion
You have me convinced, game was on my steam wishlist for a while without buying it. Next time I have some spare time and cash, or when the game goes on sale I will give it a shot.
Absolutely love your videos man.
If you make more videos about MvCI, this game will be revived.
I can definitely say that this vid makes me wanna redownload the game
I'm sure if he got together with the other MVCI defenders (like Max) they could probably put together a pretty nice wave of new players into it.
Probably wait until it goes on sale on Steam though.
@@kevingriffith6011 it's currently 80% off on PSN. I put it in my cart the other day.
@@rayvsthaworld Ah, yeah it's not on sale for me on Steam, still $40. Console wins the battle today, I'm sure PC will get one back tomorrow.
Not at all. UMVC3 is much better in every single way and it has growing content TO THIS DAY with the mods.
MvCI was an awesome game, mechanically speaking. If Capcom hadn't dropped the ball so hard in terms of marketing, visual design, etc, it could have been a huge success.
That’s some serious cap
Did you not play the game or somthing? Mvci is whack and is only fun until you figure out how to play it
If marvel 2-3 didn’t exist sure it’s pretty aight but it’s a direct downgrade from previous entries so much so that marvel 3 is still be played competitively
Capcom did what they could, it was marvel/disney that kneecaped the game.
@@kobunzthat’s such a weird take. That’s like saying SFIV is bad because people still play Third Strike or Alpha. You could also literally say the same about MVC3 because it has its own detriments to gameplay like X Factor or game defining characters like Dark Phoenix, Zero and etc.
It is the most fun game in the series for me.
@@phsquared1000 mvci is incredibly shallow compared to marvel 2-3
If you like it play it and have a blast
But saying the game “died cause of Disney/capcom” is just ridiculous the core gameplay loop is whack Once you learn the limitations of the gameplay mechanics
People figured that out in droves after release sorry you missed the wave
When a game is brand new information is passed around exponentially faster than when it’s aged
When the initial wave of players leave a bad game a huge swath of information goes with it. Game was super fun for like a month and then shit got optimized and the shallow nature of the game started to show
The balance patch was cool and fresh but the same core problems remained and anyone who wanted to play competitive fighting games moved on
Now we are half a decade in and the people who trickle in are staying in the month one phase longer as they don’t have the player pool to bounce ideas off of to optimize and stay at the relatively low level that is indeed very fun
As a fighting game I’ve always enjoyed marvel infinite I understand why people didn’t like it otherwise but by all means it’s mechanically a really great game, it just could’ve used some X-Men and maybe some better care in the visuals.
This game is awesome, you guys should come join in the fun!!
I have two questions as a rookie:
1) If everyone is going to use short hop anyways then why do we even have a "normal" jump in the first place?
2) Whey did the fandom seemingly forget about MVCI so quickly and just play MVC3U?
To answer the first one: Most likely an execution barrier. For example: Nobody would use any other button if Electric Wind God Fist had the same properties but was easier to do
Because MvCI was a straight up bad launch and the way Combofiend talked about "functions" rubbed people the wrong way. Besides the Battle for the Stones tournament, the game was getting basically 0 push from Capcom, so it wasn't like SFV where you had to play it to stay competitive, and people stuck with the game they liked more, no matter if MvCI was actually good or not
If you haven’t already, I suggest you cover the topic of Scaling in fighting games. My favorite iteration of this is in Black Magic 2, where how the Scaling was implemented made it so any character could be added, but the game would still be fair no matter what. Not even hackers can avoid this Scaling in Black Magic 2.
Honestly, I felt that MVCI was fundamentally a good game. It just got shafted by Disney.
Jedah looks cool I might check this little game out
I have always said I think MCV Infinite was actually pretty good from a gameplay standpoint. I hope Capcom brings back the VS formula but with Disney and the explosion in popularity of the Marvel brand Capcom can't afford the license anymore. I think Capcom vs Konami could work.
I'd love to see Nintendo vs Capcom, or even just Capcom vs Capcom.
I get that the tactical rpg is cheaper to develop but the PXZ series always should have been a fighter
@@cheef825 On the topic of RPGs I see people say they want a Capcom Vs Bandai Namco. That already happened but it was an RPG that only came out in Japan.
@@doomdimensiondweller5627 yeah that's the first pxz game. The other ones have Sega characters too
I literally just clicked on Yt thinking "I'm gonna watch some late night TheoryFighter", and I see you at the top of my home page. What luck
As someone who doesn't usually like Versus games, Marvel Infinite is one of the few I REALLY like watching without getting annoyed by the grime and the chaos (alongside DBFZ).
I now realize the hop might be a decent part of that, and for that I thank you. Any incentive for the characters to stay closer to the ground and longer blockstrings is something I welcome immensely as a viewer who doesn't play the game, but still wants to see the action with most of the characters on the actual screen.
Lol I thought you were gonna talk about Active Tag in this vid 😂😂😂
It's weird considering this was a mechanic they used in their Jojo's game. Makes me wonder why it was never implemented so soon in MvC
It’s a similar mechanic by the same name, but not entirely the same. In JoJo HFTF, you can’t control the landing spot after you leave the ground from a hyper hop, making it act more like the hyper hops from the King of Fighters series. This one’s a completely unique hyper hop that I haven’t seen used anywhere else
@@rocksaltinyt yeah it does seem to be a combination of the controllable superjump in MvC with a hyper hop distance. Which makes for really unique movement in infinite.
MvC:I is such a sad story of wrong place wrong time, it had so much potential and the gameplay was amazing
A whole video on why smash is such a great game!
Great video
current KoF has a similar shorthop mechanic. Obviously its vastly different due to it being in a different game but the execution is similar
When TheoryFighter posts, I click
The hyper hop is also intuitively more accessible than wave dash. So you had choice of how to approach.
are you checking the breakers collection that was just released? looks fun, what are your thoughts?
I have nothing else to say other than great video as usual :)
there's a character specific short hop analog on Rachel Alucard from any blazblue game. Her drive is the ability to use wind to control the momentum of everything on stage and there's a pretty integral tech that involves jumping and using the wind momentum downward to make what is effectively a shorthop. Although the comparison isnt 100% apt since its only on that one character that already has really good mobility to begin with.
I hope there is a mod that changes visuals or smth on tagging in MVC I. Makes it harder to read than it should.
Would jump back in the game if it was easier to look at
I'm sure Maximilian Dood will love this vid lol
When competent developers start playing with smash bros mechanics
I watched this game at launch and had no idea it has this.
Watched video hours ago with a different name and thumbnail and sees this in reccomended with new name & thumbnail.
"Oh wow two TF vids in one day! ... oh its the same video"
Am i the only one that had to pause the video cause it sounded like someone was mowing the lawn outside? But turns out it was just the video
Please make more videos on MVCI, this game had so many great nuances (like the Wall-Bounce/OTG/Ground-Bounce system, stones, and Active Switch in general) that don’t get talked about as often as they should.
3:27 - embarrassingly, I didnt know storm had that move that pulls doom in 🤔
Didn’t even talk about super short hop. Not only can you tap down to cut height, but you can tap down again to lower yourself even further to the ground for some ridiculous instant overhead pressure. It helps characters with floaty jumps get mix like chris or hawkeye.
And, if you’re insane, you could use it in neutral and have more active aerials than melee.
If you’re REALLY fucking insane you can throw in a falling special like arthur’s stuff.
TAS bot’s get rejumps from launcher.
0:06 Can't believe there's a third metal band named after a Pokemon.
The use of this mechanic goes over my head
Palette swaps in mvci would be fire, since it’s already a thing for UMVC3. Jedah and Vergil would be OD.
Did the title and thumbnail change? I was trying to look for a Marvel Infinite video he posted, but all I could find is this
I hope Marvel 4 comes out and it is just like Infinite, except it looks nicer and has a good roster.
2k views in under an hour? on a video about mvci? what algorithm blessing have you touched
Short hopping is cool and all, but I wish you had talked extensively about Thanos Ham-Bone.
Thank you for talking about this game, I feel that it was bullied soo hard that the company abandoned it unfairly. This won't make capcom look back at it, but hopefully this will get more people to try it out.
Just because the game was fun and I did enjoy it doesnt mean the criticism against it were wrong
My favorite fighting game. I love Hawkeye in this game.
This was such a good mechanic. I remember Shoultzula bringing it up in the SRK forums prior to release, showing how it could theoretically allow everyone access to 4-way mixups.
When mahvel becomes maylay
Do you think we’ll ever get a new MvC? Or is the series dead.
Kof have something like this
Marvel really screwed over Capcom on MVCI, and its a damn shame.
I am of the hot take opinion, that, whatever MvCI problems, of which there were many, the core systems that the characters got to interact with, were the best in the series.
I hope they make the mvc not like the last ones so i don't get combo'd by getting hit once
Wow. Just watched two of your videos earlier today. My algorithm must have knew this video was coming
Weird question, but is there any reason to normal jump in this game? Hyper hop cuts out super jump's weakness (height), goes as far as a regular jump and obviously gives you aerial drift as you said. Doesn't that make regular jumping redundant, couldn't they just have made regular jump work like this, and axe the admittedly kind of jank 282 input?
we need an overhaul mod of UMVC3 that makes its mechanics play like MVCI without the stones smh - Key
TF with another banger as always
Try arcana heart with its homing dash
0:10 I did not think of this. 1:00
4:35 Cool Idea
I actually hate the absurd verticality in Vs games, whether I'm watching or playing, I want to see both characters on-screen at the same time, not the camera chasing one of the fighters into the air while they dodge around a bunch of attacks I can't even see. Even when I'm the one using the vertical space to do the dodging and winning in the process, the fact that I have to rely purely on my ears and a distracting, flashing indicator doesn't feel good. Actually, winning after an exchange like that feels *_bad_* to me.
Shout out to sacktap best Arthur🦑🔥
MvCI, despite the roster and some graphics (Chun Li is fixed but not Dante...), has a good core to it. The gameplay is great. I hope that later some day we get an MvC4 where they can use more characters besides lame movie ones.
I still believe in MvC4 after SF6
MVC 5 when
I thought Short Hop is a KOF thing.
it is lol, i think he forgot about that lol
MvCI didn't have a chance, but that doesn't mean it's not a hidden gem. People are still playing/competing in game to this day...
Issues aside, Mvci was so damn fun. Only reason I stopped playing was cause pc matchmaking times just got too much to be worth it. Sad how capcom treated this game.
The amazing amount of control and freedom you have over your movement in Tekken is a big reason why it has remained my favorite fighting game.
Also MvC:I is such a tragic game. The people who were behind the gameplay did an amazing job but everything else surrounding it sucked.
For a few dollars, is worth it to buy MvCI?
Like I know it's bad but at least is fun to play?
I haven't seen a lot of gameplay.
it isnt bad it just looks bad. the gameplay is very good and is what most people appreciated about it
Only if you are playing on PS4 since is the only one with "a little alive" servers on everything else is a dead zone
A waste of time
I always liked MVCI even if it's ugly, the game is just fun and that's all I want in a game
The problem with MvCI will always be the roster. Things to make every character on a more even field so you dont have pick top tiers just so you can deal with basic offense, like Hyper Hop, or How Active Switch work, is great. But the issue is that means basically nothing if you dont want to play anyone. I still hate how they thought Winter Soldier was gonna add some spice to a roster that already had Chris Redfield in it, but saved Asura and Kamala Khan for season 2.
It really sucks seeing it crash and burn the way it did when the game gets so much praise for its functions. I just cant get into it cause the roster is built on "Its Marvel vs Capcom; it'll sell no matter how lazy we are"
Glory to Valkanda
This mechanic seems more like a King Of Fighter's mechanic. Maybe if SNK Heroines 2 happens and it's closer to Marvel 2, they could take this.
I actually enjoy the gameplay of mvci. My main problem really is the focus on MCU characters. I’m. A 90s kid and back when I was reading comics the avengers, Thor and company were c tier comics. And because of my bias I just can’t stand the mcu. Of course lack of X-men is a big downer for me.
I know it’s all pretty superficial. But I like what I like and don’t like what I don’t like.