LS Demonstrates How to 'cheater recall' with Sanchovies
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- Опубліковано 19 січ 2020
- LS coaches Sanchovies and walks him through how to perform a "cheater recall."
VOD: www.twitch.tv/videos/53874538...
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*shoving the lane
Ls: Shuvshuvshuvshuv good you're shoving shuvshuvshuvshuvshuvshuvshuv
SADIKOAKSDKSA
that's a real coach's mentality tbh, i don't even watch LS that frequently but what he's doing is just putting pressure on his trainee so that he doesn't stop what he's doing
@@pedrosantos1503 yep I feel that as someone who coaches people him self. You really really don’t want them to mess it up.
I enjoyed "he won't do shit" moment far more than the rest of the video, It's so against the coach-learner relationship, I loved it
Sanchovies alpha asf
Tbh that Skarner just needed to e him. This builds really bad habits, because it needs the enemy to mess up.
sooo what i got from it,
wave1: slow push
wave2: slowpush
wave3: hardshove
yessir.
You literally forgot the most important part.
Recall
If anyone reads this. Do we have to match opponents autos while slow pushing like. Usually when you slow push you just last hit creeps but say if skarner hits minions 3 times ,we also hit it 3 times ( excluding the last hits) ?
@@darkdragonite316 Probably yes, bc if not he'll be pushing towards you
@@juanpablorodriguezmartinez7814 alright. thank you for this :)
LS: " NO NOT IN FRONT OF HIM HE'S GONNA WALK UP AND E "
SAnchovies: " HE WON'T DO SHIT HE'S SCARED "
LS: " O-Okay "
LMAO. What a gem.
this one is very helpful in the laning especially with champions that has no escaping skill or mechanism and has a very fast clearing abilities such as syndra, gangplank and many more. it also maximizes the lane state because the wave is pushing into your tower and you can freeze it so it is gankable. if there's a clash, you can go and clear the wave because of what i said before and tp
Is this why you see a lot of those champs in pro play? Because their waveclear allows them to get these beneficial backtimings?
@@TraZix they don't use cheater recall often because they think that the one who pushes the lanes wins the lane. they use cheater recall if they have information about the enemy jungle. they often stick to they ideas and knowledge( just an opinion only)
@@TraZix You're correct that wave clearing is an essential part of backtiming. Teams will often try to recall together as optimally as possible for objective control etc.
I think Samsung is prob the best team at doing this and mainly the reason why they won worlds.
PowPoh thanks for the clarification
U shouldnt waste a tp into a cheater recall u should tp when u can freeze or hit enemy while he wants to farm if u tp doing a cheater recall u almost lost everything beneficial, cause why the fuck do u want to tp when the wave is going again to your side
i used to do this in the botlane all the time. i'd just shove hard and base to buy cull. I had a 95% wr with Lucian that season. Best season of my life.
What rank were u
@@kevintran3042 bronze V
@@Pimmelberger And you were iron last season LMAO
Why does this have upvotes? Clearly he didn't fucking have a 95% winrate or he'd be talked about like fucking Faker or Apdo. Bullshit lie.
@@jeanlucbergman479 95% wr with Lucian,learn how to read nigga
so i need to start shoving 3rd wave BEFORE it meets the fighting line... this little detail actually helps a lot. no wonder i always feel like my 3 wave cheater recall feels a bit slow. cant wait to try this tomorrow. adc main btw :P
Now it makes sense why tfblade get banned for flaming his jgler...
Why?
@@tinyvoid633 Because he literally plays his lane perfectly and the team still is 2000 gold down because the jngl does the wrong pathing
@@bigguccitaurus1395 ? Wasnt he implying that the jungler is right because he is approving the fact that tf blade did something ban worthy. If junglers were in the wrong, shouldnt it be "it doesnt make sense."
@@Sabaelos Eh, people get banned by being "toxic" while shit people who look like eloboosters can't do shit and cry about being insulted
It basicly makes you not lose minions on recall, also you can avoid getting ganked, after you push the lane it will push back no matter what
He lost a whole wave.
@@jahir1976 no he lost only 2 minions.
Dumb fk
LS aka "lonely simp" is a coach who wants sancnovies shushsushushushushuvshuvshuvshuv
I've watched this at least 4 times now, and the instant "he won't do shit, he's scared" gets me all the time
"No, dont die to Kindred"
"...Oh."
Bro I miss this old simple shop
Give me my 2 minutes of life back
this is a great strat what?????
@@jordangill1223 what strat tho? He just backed early lul
@@razielette2159 HOLY SHIT WHAT IS YOUR RANK DUDE? U ARE BAD
Legit every idiot knows about stuff like this
@@jordangill1223 Back and buy cull, nice strat bois
What information about the enemy jungler do I need to do this? Like if he starts bot side, could he be top on 3rd wave while I'm shoving?
Sorry if it's a low elo question lol
I mean you do have the advantage of wave control, so it should be fine.
No, by then there is no possible way for him to be there unless he does a 2 camp clear so he be basically sinning
Well im overeggerating it but ye no the odds r slim to none and. If he does its a 1v1 coz the enemy top laner cant fight coz of the cs, if he does turn on him and. U can just kill him
Ls:”Land e!”
Me: ”Wow 😉”
crash by 3, recall for cheap stat item and come back trade with item and win via extra stats and then set freeze win lane and make smart plays later win game.
i never knew whether this was a bad or good thing to do in lane
I know I am late af but yeah it's a good thing to do. A Cheater Recall is basically getting an item amd exp adventage early. As LS says, on the first and second wave, slow push and stack the minions, when the third wave comes, you hard push using your abillities on the enemy's wave. When your minions hit the enemy's turret, recall and get your items and go back to lane. Since your wave was huge and hit the enemy's tower, you don't have to over extend and get threatened by the enemy's jungler since the wave crashed into the enemy's turret and therefore push back to your turret, being able to farm safely even with the intervention of the enemy laner.
Its great if you do it right. If you do it bad, you're only helping the enemy
I feel like the BF power spike or Double D-blade stack would be better for ADC. Unless you're in a winning match or a champ that isn't rushing BF items, then cull is fine.
I think cull is more of an option if you plan on playing safe or aren’t confident in securing kills on your enemy laners
@@shellscj yeah I agree. DBlade on the other half gives you a lot of strength to fight
If you get a cheater recall as ADC you can control when the enemy laner will recall. The enemy should never be able to get BF before you, unless you make a stupid mistake. Plus, when you get back, you will have a free freeze setup. Junglers usually start on botton side, so you will have a freeze exactly when your jungler is coming back to bottom side. Enemy jungler can't gank you and going for a possible counter-gank is risky because your jungler can free farm instead of ganking and he will be set so far behind if he waits for no reason. It's at least 1-2 waves denied (more if you have good matchup) or free kills if your jungler comes and the enemy junglers doesn't. That means not only you're ahead on 450 gold on items, you will probably outfarm the enemy by 10cs+ which is literally 300+ gold, so at worst you will be 100g behind for B.F compared to the enemy ADC *but* you will have Cull and spike much faster regardless, and you can force them to stay so regardless you will both get B.F at the same time and you still get Cull as item advantage, when you finish cull you will be at 800 gold advantage from this recall alone, this is not even counting what extra gold you can get from the early item advantage (being agressive, maybe forcing them to recall way too early, possible dragon because you have lane prio, etc).
Doing this with a snowbally ADC like Lucian or Jhin can get you free wins.
So slow push first 2 waves and shove third one
"oh" xD
Nobody:
LS: Lloove it
Moe does it botice he dosent die anymore? Lol😂
I’m sorta newbie but what’s the point of a cheater recall?
Watch the 'LS explains what a cheater recall is' video on UA-cam. 👍
It makes you not lose Minions, also if you get back fast enough you can push or freeze the lane before your enemy gets to recall
Backing on cannon waves early gives you enough time to grab an item advantage and come back to a slow pushing wave to setup a freeze with that item advantage. If the opponent isn't smart enough to contest the wave or hard shove it back you win the lane for free at lvl 3
Cheater Recalls allow you to not lose out on anymore minions and you dont need to burn teleport to get back instead you cane walk back and have an item advantage without much punishment
He's not gonna lose cs because of how the wave is positioned and he has an item over his opponent, for free.
How do you counter it?
Voxel counter shove or stop the recall, they’re not gonna be able to come back in time if they’re delayed. Just don’t die or take too much dmg
hold the minions away from tower
You have to match their push on waves 1 and 2. If you don't do it on those waves, you won't be able to resist the hard push on wave 3 because their wave will be too big. After they kill wave 3, as long as they weren't too slow at doing it, you shouldn't be able to freeze either.
This strategy is usually used by champions that have great early game waveclear like illaoi or syndra, if you can match this eave clear and stop them from backing you have already countered the strategy
@@laawlduuud3588 If you do that you lose too much hp, shouldn't you need to counter push when he's shoving so the wave gets thinned out when approaching your tower so you can actually tank the wave?
I dont understand what happened, can someone explain it please?
Xabier PEREZ BENITO you need to understand the importance of CS because CS = gold and the more CS you have the more gold you have to buy items. Shoving the wave and recalling to grab another item in the early game because they have no damage to shove back the wave to your tower. So you can just walk back to lane without losing CS and having to worry about losing gold and wave control.
You get a free back. He starts a slow push into enemy turret by auto attacking minions instead of just last hitting. By the third minion wave, he starts using abilities and auto attacking to turn the slow push into a shove. Skarner cant fight illaoi because of the minion wave. That early, he'll he could easily just die to the creeps alone. So he cant freeze either( take aggro and stop the wave before it hit turret and allow his own minions to eventually regain aggro from the wave ). With this free back, you can buy an item and be up stats early without missing much of any cs, and regain wave control since after minions crash the turret the wave pushes back to you.
I’ve been doing this some ages. Why is it even called cheater recall.
cuz you get to go to base and not lose any minions, where as your opponent has to stay and def
Mad Bro? I think you’re reading wayy to much into the name
Its just a nickname but the idea behind is it that you get a free advantage of it, you don't lose any minions and you get to come back to lane with an item advantage which helps in trade. Something like second doran blade or a cull work really well for extra sustain (cull better since its at the start and the extra gold).
I thought it was cheetah cause its fast
@@deanwaldens8288 cheeto
why is it called a "cheater recall?"
TheNerdyOtaku usually when you recall and head back to base you are sacrificing some CS in order to replenish and make a buy. That's conventionally the trade off. This is called a cheater recall because you're not actually losing any CS (or you're losing like 1 or 2 minions) so the recall is free. You're getting away with something, which is where the "cheating" idea comes from.
you slowly build a big stack of 1 to 2 minion wave and crash it under the enemy tower when it's about be worth of 3 waves.
So it takes a long time for your next minion wave to go travel into your side.
So whenever you go back to your lane through only walking. the minions shouldn't die under your tower so you wont lose any exp at all.
Its because the korean people that LS showed this didnt know how to explain this so they just said you are cheating and LS started calling it cheater recall
This is rly cool, but also easely redone again, for example dont go back after that big wave skarner pushed and try to trade with him in it when hes trying to freeze it and then go base and have HP adventage after coming back to lane, but still cool to see, I mean nothing super crazy but doing stuff like that can surely make some matchups more ez and punishing
I dont know why is it called a "cheater" recall
You cheat the lane, you basicly win by pushing and getting advantage without interacting with the enemy champion.
Edit: would be my guess atleast
Bs, i do it everytime i recall
@@nicklaxs123 So basically it makes league laning finally play like other mobas? Where when you're pushing lane you're winning instead of getting punished by the enemy jungle.
@@DemonEyeHelix kinda
@@DemonEyeHelix but actually winning the lane is a lot more complex than just pushing and pushing.
that subscribed gif sure is annoying
Its cute
@@likenot3073 its dumb lol. But that's prob the point
HE WONT DO SHIT HES SCARED
Oh look, a LoL mentor.. How nice.
Wait people just now discover that you can recall after pushing lmao?
its about the slow push into a hard shove, if u just shove it in the wave isnt big enough so its not a cheat recall
i watched it without audio, i was wondering what the fuck was that about, its not hard to slow push to hard push then recall
@@kaibe8814 of course it isn't hard. the whole point is it isn't hard. but it's something very few NA pro players did until LS started yelling about it on stream.
Pros will often crash on 3rd wave, but then they probably spend that time warding. It is not common to recall at this timing.
@@skullz1 True, in solo que its great because you come back with a slight item advantage but in pro play or team play in general its better to use that time for free wave control and just wave control.
thank god I'm not the only one who thought the guy who was talking was annoying
Sophia its LS he’s pretty annoying but has some really insane game knowledge
“He’s an asshole, but an asshole with a point.” - Hagakure
@@John-th9qy But terrible pro plays prediction, he literally betted all for Korea to win Worlds because he just focused on Groups results rather than what a team is capable of.
@@AF-qn9hc because you should always have to bet on variables rsther than proven truth
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Disclaimer I’m not very good, but would this not cause you to lose e xp? In other words the xp you get just from being in lane etc.. sometimes I’ll roam from mid whilst hard shoved and because of a slight cs discrepancy 5-10 one wave can cause a quick snowball into a 2 level advantage for the enemy
That's the thing, you don't lose anything. You get exp from the death of minions, but this is timed in such a way that none of the enemy minions actually die while you're gone.
He might be annoying but the amount of knowledge he posses in this game ks fucking insane especially when it comes to pro play
or you are just plain stupid for thinking this is expert knowledge
@@rrhalelol4668 if everyone knew what he knew he wouldnt be making so mcuh money from coaching etc lmao, his game sense is higher than alot of pros tbh
i still dont get it why is cull so important, can you only get within 5 minutes or something. what does it matter that they push wave and get cull????
incase anyone WAS going to respawn. Isn't it just like playing ornn in general, clear wave, push hide in bush, make item, now you are techinically stronger than your opponent in lane without recalling. As for cheater recall i guess i didnt get it cuz it should be Laning 101
You have two choices there, get something to get you more solo-kill potential (doran's) or get something to help you scale faster (buy an item piece or cull) skarner is extremely hard to solo kill since he cant hardpush the wave and has a bunch of ultilities to prevent you from diving him. He can't punish you for farming and all you're gonna do is hardpushing anyway, so it makes sense to get cull to maximize the cs advantage.
U lose nothing and you get something, what part of that does your brain not understand?
@@matej5969 cuz with that kind of explanation, to me thats laning phase 101 but good shit on not really explaining the significance of the cull.
@@DivineSpiritxXxX it doesnt have to be cull it can be a dblade or shield, cull gives you 100 gold because of passive 350 when you complete it and you can sell it for 180 and good combat stats, its a good item
Does this work in mid?
works in every lane
Check the matchup, more laners with better waveclear and also factor in the lane is shorter so when you can do i, it's really good but make sure it's possible.
shorter lane means you need to be faster with the shove/recall, but only about 2-3 seconds though.
@@J040PL7 you can do this in mid because the path to lane is shorter and they gave early game home guards
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Wait what. Someone explain to me please what a cheater recall is and what I just watched? I don't play League.
If you don't play League, none of this will ever make sense to you.
@@eemotion I played for a while like 3 years ago, got to gold or something idk. Just no idea what a cheater recall is. It didn't look like he did anything special ? :S
Its not special or difficult in anyway anyone can do this as long as they have the pushing power and knowledge to execute it, the cheater recall puts your lane opponent behind by having them cs under tower against a cannon wave while you are backing and getting a small item advantage such as a start item or just raw stats, the only way to counter this strategy is to either have equal pushing power to your lane opponent, have your jungler gank you pr sacrifice some minions to stop their recall, how ever except for the first option most of this will put either you or your jungler behind regardless its a small thing but it works wonders
@@gamesyes9352 oh.. so like... league 101 haha. Okay, thank you friend.
@@Noodliest League 101 that not many actually do till recently
Imagine being this sweaty
you dont get anywhere without sweating man, that term only works for friendlies in fifa lol
Da faq
Man the sheer toxicity between these interactions lmao, rough stuff.
What toxicity? They're just talking with words, dude.
Darksealer don’t know what kinda people you hang with, but the amount of “Im so ready to kick your ass” in all their interactions is hilarious. Aggressive AF.
@@danexpand4295 Sounds fun.
He wont do shit , hes scared
This meh skarner is annoying
You can't do that sht to pro player they all know that bruh. Specially drx chovy.
Doesn't matter if they know
@@DoggyP00 they can match the hard push on the 3rd wave if they know you are doing it making the lane state be neutral when you both get back to lane im pretty sure, they have to let you push them in to successful do this imo
Depends on matchup and summoner spells
@@eashanshenai4980 they can easy communicate with their junglers.
@@joshuastoned4405 Yes and then the jungler fall behind on tempo and then your jungler is ahead
"Hey man, let's play a game together for fun but I'm going to tell you exactly what you're going to do when I want you to do it and will scream at you when you dont do it exactly how I would have."
Control freaks.
called coaching
This is a coaching session you dumbass.
@@helios9025 An asshole coaching is still an asshole.
@@sakenem Yea but you said something about playing a fun game together. This is not about playing fun game. And coaching is about telling the other person what to do so what you whining about.
tell that sped to shut his mouth
Wait so this is what they call it I just call this normal recall and people been doing this for a long time now
Small advantages become big eventually
I lose chromosomes reading some of the comments here. No wonder 75% gold and below and 50% in Silver and below. No point saving someone drowing themselves on purpose lol.
Hard to watch because of how annoying that guy was
Being hardstuck bronze must suck
@@cannedsir4258 yeah, it must really suck being in your elo
Annoying or not hes teaching basics that most players dont use or dont even know about
Got too tilted by the ''shove shove shove shove shove'' after 1 minute to continue to watch, yikes.
how
you got too tilted by a coach coaching? Bruh?
says something about you not the content
What's more tilting is how slow sanch shoved
Fuck he supposed to do with q and w down lol
God the dude is backseat driving is so annoying.
My nigga hes a coach
The dude is literally paying him to coach if ls didn't backseat game me 24/7 while I'm paying him id be like damn this is a waste of money
Its kind of a waste of money if you get ls as your coach especially if you cannot handle his critisms or just dont listen to him.
Do people take LS serious? Like he is just a meme.
@Seasexnsun Why is he a meme tho? I'm not into reddit and twitch and stuff
Just because he's been Lately Snide doesn't mean that that's all LS is. ...Wait....
@Seasexnsun Would he not be on a good team if he was a good coach?
@@ducklorddobba3642 hes a korean shoutcaster or whatever its called. He does coaching as a side now but he used to be a coach.
@@ducklorddobba3642 He had offers from LEC teams to be a coach for this year. He used to coach BBK. He also coaches multiple top tier pros.
hardstuck Platinum coaching NA player what a joke
God I hate LS. 7 years later and he still sounds so arrogant and try hard.