Dude make a guide where to get the lore to read. I wanna read the novels but ive no clue where to start the horus heresy. And wth is that about the mother of the primarchs
@@zevbl8970 Wow Sanguinius is a Beast, first he kills two greater daemons by decapitating them and snaps Ka'Bandha's spine over his knee and he kills two war hound titans? I can't believe Horus was able to kill him.
Considering that Tyrranic Pattern Psi Titans of Ordo SInister were created to confront Demon Princes, having Primarch standing up to them builds pretty good picture.
Fulgrim was literally shot in the head by a Bolter sniper and Angorn was crushed by a War Hound Titan, Guilliman was blasted into the Void of space, Vulkan is literally unkillable, and so many of the Primarch have been stab in the gut by power weapons or had their bones and backs broken that they were able to walk it off after a while. In layman’s terms killing a Primarch is pretty difficult to do, and unless you go both the head and neck you aren’t going to be able kill one or have a powerful weapon in your arsenal you can’t do shit to them.
What are you on? Vulkan is _easy_ to kill! Conrad Kurze has done it dozens of times! Jokes aside, I still haven't seen a Primarch take a head-on shot from a Battle Titan's Plasma Annihilator yet. I _highly_ suspect that they won't be able to just walk that one off.
@@anthonylamonica8301 Daemon Angron took one at some point in the siege of Terra. Granted he was turned into a bloody puddle, and regenerated and survived only because he was a daemon, but hey you didn't specify only mortal primarchs.
Fulgrim was actually shot by a needle rifle. It was a grazing hit that skimmed along his scalp, he still would have died with Fabius Bile and he was outside the weapon's effective range. We've also seen terminator marines crushed by titans and be fine afterwards.
The thing about Guilliman is, he learns quickly, and if you don't follow through immediately and ruthlessly, he'll plan his way out of anything and find a way to kill you instead. He went from being one of the worst in hand-to-hand combat, getting his ass handed to him badly, to being one of the best after one good training montage. He guy is the absolute best at focusing and learning from his mistakes, and that also makes him an incredible military commander.
@@jpallen9179 and despite getting his ass kicked by daemon primarchs,he usually puts up a insane fight Keep in mind for context even the weakest primarch was still a monster in combat physicaly or otherwise The *lion* even 40k,this man was able to FUCKING BODY ANGRON. Take this into context Angron pre lorgar fuckery was a monster of rage in combat. post that and daemonhood,he became a terror as astartes and more get torn apart and evicerated And a rusty turned experienced lion with extremely honed instinct, teleporting,an extremely active soul and nightmarish martial prowess
Fulgrim nearly got deleted taking his first planet by himself with his expeditionary fleet. Even he acknowledged how close he came to death by mushroom cloud.
@Red Hawk lets face it, the guy was a preening peacock. Jagatai and Mortarion called it at Ullinore. In a duel he was dangerous as hell. In terms of battlefield command he was over fond of frill and flourish. That and I can’t take any guy even a demi god that obsessed with aesthetics seriously. IRL he would be a girlie, twink, power bottom.
@@synergy8879 yes, but I am a baseline human. Any standard astartese could literally crack my skull open just by swinging their dick. However if I were faced with trying to kill a primarch it would be something like a late series episode of Babylon 5. The short version is the Centari deleted an island the size of Japan to kill a basecamp of godlike aliens so their rival god like aliens would not exterminatus their home world. Yeah when Fulgrim landed on 28-1 I would have rendered his overly gilded storm bird down to base atoms. Short of Vulkan even primarchs can be taken out with a big enough nuke.
@@seventhsebas7389 Half of them have it, the other half don't For example the first Emperor's Children were the first born sons of noble families in Europa
@@seventhsebas7389 emperor’s children were taken from Europe , Death guard from Albion ( which is kind of England) , thousand sons from south east , world eaters from Siberia, imperial fists were taken from all parts of the planet , rest I’m not sure
It's probably worth considering that the Emperor is almost certainly doing stuff in the background to ensure Guilliman cannot die. He's probably survived more than other primarchs would just by virtue of the Emperor needing him.
@@mrgoober6320 Lion started out the vanilla, turned different. Dorn used to be the vanilla, until you start reading the lore. Guilliman used to be the logistics man, now that Dorn dissapeared and Lion is sleeping, Guilliman takes the role of the vanilla.
Depends on ur definition, G mans power is being a god tier administer and strategist, thats pretty vanillia. The Lion is just a nyon perfect sword duelists and, i guess thats it? prolly more vanilla.
@@slimearbo4596 The Lion is the best pure military strategist of all the Primarchs. In a contest to conquer a single planet, he could do it better than any of his brothers. Big G beats him out in larger scale conflicts (ie. a war fought across multiple sectors with access to supply lines from outside and political fuckery influencing shit) due to superior resource management, though. Consider that The Lion just about caught up to Horus's planetary conquest score by the time he was named Warmaster. Horus had a 120 year head start on The Lion, the advantage of being personally educated by The Emperor and his Custodians, and The Lion still nearly caught up to Horus's 200 years worth of conquest in just 80 years.
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I just read Angel Exterminatus and the bit about Fulgrim shrugging off the sniper bullet isnt 100% true. Fulgrim knew that the sniper was there and willingly accepted the shot to earn Perty's help, but moved so that the bullet would curve around his brain instead of through it. Perty was next to him and he did not know about the sniper so he would not have been able to move like that (note Fulgrim was warp tainted at this time, Perty wasnt). It was well accepted by Fulgrim, Perty, and Fabius that the shot would have killed Fulgrim if it went straight through, but Fulgrim had that plot armor.
They seriously explained his survival by that? I mean that's easily the least plausible thing I've ever heard of in the warhammer setting. Which is saying something right there, given some of the crap we see fairly often, and tend to shrug off and try to forget. Perhaps the author and the editor had a bet to see just how low they could stoop before people called them out? Certainly I can't see any professional author plotting that steaming pile of Jokaero feces into a narrative for any other reason than some sort of sick humour or cynical wagering.
@@charlesparr1611 It read fine, tbh. Fulgrim was one of the best primarchs with exceptionally keen senses, and everything the primarchs do is next level so it fit. Also he had warp spaghetti since he was basically at the zenith of pre-daemon power. To clarify, the bullet rode along the inside of his skull, he didnt move his whole head to perfectly dodge the shot.
@@Shipx7 If what you're saying is that it was him influencing the bullet with warp spaghetti, that's much less egregious. I read your description as him dodging a bullet that was already passing through his skull, thats simply not believable to me, but I can think of any number of ways 'magic' could make that happen as changing the course of the bullet. Precog could let him know it was coming, so he stops/slows time giving him lots of time to set uo a magic forcefield channel from entry would, curving around the inside of the skull, and exiting again. Then he just has to 'catch' the bullet with the 'tunnel' and the rest takes care of itself... Thats what comes to mind first, likely better ways in tghe setting. It seems to me that WH has never really properly explained a lot of the 'magic' in the setting (which is frustrating at times, but I've read its a conscious decision so they can have competing and contrasting ways of getting spooky stuff done by different factions.
@@charlesparr1611 Sorry, he angled his head so that the bullet entered his through his eye then glided around his skull. Its something that happens occasionally in the real world with real bullets and skulls. He knew it was coming and it was a long shot he could time, also hes a primarch so overall it fit. Imagine him looking left as it was about to enter his eye and it followed around his hard skull settling in the back where Fabius removed it and Fulgrim healed.
@@charlesparr1611 Except that there are documented cases of bullets doing precisely this. There are some victims of gun shot wounds to the head where the bullet entered and then followed the curvature of the skull rather than penetrating to the brain. Rare indeed, but it has happened.
On the note about ka'bandha beating Sanguinius. He has never beat Sangy in a 1v1 fight. His only "victory" against the angel was when he killed several hundred blood angels with a single atrack and the psychic backlash of watching his son's die made him pass out. In every other fight Sanguinius has ending the battle 'killing' the greater daemon.
"One thing you should learn from this moment, servant of the Alpha Legion,' Guilliman said. 'When you have to murder a Primarch, and you get one at your mercy, do not waste the moment answering his questions when he still has a bolter in his hand."
What you should always remember fighting against Primarchs is that *you should never look down on anyone of them, never be arrogant, be fast, be clever and be cruel.*
I was reading invincible some time ago and I realised that just because you're invulnerable on the outside doesn't make invulnerable on the inside. In other words a primarch's organs could be squishy compared to their skin, muscles or bones.
@@kevinmabryii3091 If you can match the natural frequency of a primarch insides creating ressonance hence exploding them from the inside out. Yes. Or you can forcibly shove a bomb in a primarch's throat. if a viltrimite can go down like that a primarch can in theory do the same as well. The real difficulty is that fact a primarch is basically 10ft +. You're gonna have to tip toe.
To be fair, that's usually just a writing cop out, because someone with indestructible skin and muscle, but regular organs would just get turned into an indestructible bag of organ mush if they were punched in the gut hard enough.
@@gso619 I mean it's not the most far fetched concept. I mean you can wear the most indestructible suit of armor but you still soft and squisy. Armadillo and tortoises also fall into that category. Also viltrimites are very hard to kill. Very. Like you will have to play the game of chicken and fight to the death on the surface of the sun in order to permanently kill the strongest viltrimite at that point in time.
With Fulgrim, apparently the bullet missed his brain and took a trajectory around his skull, so technically we don't know if mushing his brain would've done the trick. Also he was probably possessed by his daemon then, so perhaps that had something to do with it.
Here's how to kill a Primarch: Show them the Imperium in the 42nd Millennium. Guilliman's been dying inside every single day since he was ressurrected.
Kitten: Actually, this is the 49th millennium, where humanity is collapsing but is more technologically advanced than 42th millennium humanity. Superstition is dying but as a result so is peoples resistance to anything really. The 42nth millennium shows a more savage humanity but a more resilient one as well.
Vulkan was killed by a piece of cutlery - his durability doesn't seem to be much higher than a standard human. Its only the regenerative ability that gives him the edge.
Bro dude survived getting nuked,saying his durability is like or around that of a standard human is a little smoothbrain,I mean bro if a normal person directly got nuked there wouldn't be anything left of him or her to regenerate from
Also, not like vulkan had much of a say in the matter. He was kurze’s prisoner. Chained up, without any of his gear and with nothing he could defend himself aside from his own body. Against KURZE, the deranged psycho who had his entire arsenal of torture and murder weapons to put vulkan through the ringer.
Everyone forgets that _killing_ a Primarch isn't the problem here. It's _making sure that they stay dead_ that causes issues. _The Khan_ experienced true death, but Malcador fixed him within a few days! Bobby G has been killed _several_ times, and he has recovered nonetheless. Vulkan is Vulkan; death is merely an oft-encountered speed-bump in his eternal quest to hug every Eldar he finds into _psychic paste._ But none of this changes the fact that Primarchs are _routinely_ killed! Killing a Primarch isn't a big deal if they don't stay that way.
There was a scene in the HH books where I believe Lorgar, daemon Fulgrim and Horus were ambushed by a VTOL firing autocannon. Think a AH 64 apache with a stronger cannon. Daemon Fulgrim did stop or at least slow down the bullets with his psychic shield but the bullets were enough to hurt them all. Horus jumped through the window onto the VTOL craft and smashed the cockpit
Excellent as always. Have you ever thought about putting any kind of faction for 40K into a video game world and see how they would fill out either individual chapters or space Marines or the whole faction and how would the world react to them.
I've always loved the idea that lasers and plasma shots melt steel and instantly face FK flesh .. well that's what the brochures say, in reality they are the lore-wrench weapons designed to "almost" kill most important enemies. Leaving them with a little smacked bum and a great tan.
later horus:.... well. that escalated. ....wait where the fuck am i? malal:oh hey,welcome to the non canon/deleted zone,its a shit one. horus:.....ok then. well fuck.
@@polmMM-uk1rz Plasma Annihilators are the giant Plasma weapons carried by Warlord Titans and larger. It's a _bit_ more powerful than a Fusion Gun... by a dozen or so orders of magnitude.
@@anthonylamonica8301 If it can hit a Primarch, Sanginious pretty much soloed a Imperator Titan, but each Primarch is different and Hawk boy is top tier.
One thing you missed is a vortex weapon. Even a loyalist primarch would have difficulty staying alive if they got caught in a vortex blast and shunted into the heart of warp space. As to the psyker angle, Primarchs know of that weakness and have ways to cover it. Leman Russ loved to carry a big detachment of Sisters of Silence with him, given his heat with the Thousand Sons. Those sisters are why he was able to smash Prospero in the first place. Also, minor corrections. Guilliman wasn't hit with a Chaos disease. He was hit with a poisoned blade by Demon Prince Fulgrim. It was Horus himself who got slapped with God Plague with a hit from the Anathame .
Let's be fair for some of these examples: -Fulgrim had a glancing hit skim his head from a needle rifle past it's effective range -Space Marines can also survive in space -Angron was dying under that warhound's heel -Lorgar had a psychic shield protecting him from the warhound's gun Also: -We know from the Night of the Wolf that bolters can kill primarchs -We know assassins' weapons are strong enough to kill primarchs -Dorn said primarchs are equal to a company of marines -Dorn also wasn't sure if he'd survive a drop from the top of the Imperial Palace's walls -The Khan was almost killed by a random Plague Marine's knife -Horus was nearly killed by an ork
@@RocketHarry865 it was a regular plague marine with a plague knife. Plague knives ARE very deadly but for a primarch that's an extreme low end durability feat
In Magnus, Master of Prospero, Magnus got critically injured from a lascannon shot from a Baneblade. Went straight through him. He killed the traitor PDF (including using his psyker powers to dismantle the entire Baneblade into its constituent parts to get to the pilots) and went on to stop a gargantuan ship from crashing into the planet (though this cost twelve of his Thousand Sons and nearly took down both him and Ahriman in the process). Perturabo afterwards said "I have long held it would take something immense to kill one of us, but I had no idea you would take that as a challenge. I know I am strong, but even I would struggle to bear the weight of a starship."
The basic question is: Can [X] kill a Primarch. And the answer is ultimately, yes. As long as there is sufficient quantity, magnitude and/or plot. Then anything can reasonably kill a Primarch, especially if it sells more stuff!
Probably, depends on the rules, but when he activates his sword he’s pretty broken in terms of duelling ability, and he’s also a pretty deft hand with sorcery as well. It’s likely he just beats them purely with magic. If you put him up against good combatants with warp powers it would be interesting, basically a who can hit the other first sort of thing, with the obvious downside of Archaon not having access to ranged weapons. So somewhat surprisingly, the daemon primarchs would likely all beat him.
I'm new to the HH novels, listening to them all on Audible and currently 3/4 way through Fulgrim. The scene with him punching an avatar of Khaine to death was awesome and I'm big Eldar fan haha
Hi Majorkill... I was just recently introduced to this exciting new world of Warhammer 40k. The whole lore is fascinating to me... Thank you for all your in-depth videos and making them so much fun! I ❤ them!! Keep them coming and I will keep watching them. 😊
Bud space wolves hug like all the time, they get a few drinks in them and they get huggy as shit Honestly, the Wolves are one of the more backslappy, gregarious bunch of Marines. They aren’t as friendly as Salamanders but if you’re a good sport you can probably expect a clinch or two
As if any mortal could turn down a hug from Vulkan? And provided you gave enough mead, ale, and dirty jokes/war stories, the Space Wolves will pass you around with hugs and skull shattering back claps. The two most bro-lad legions out there.
Orks hate them because they just snipe greenskins. The Imperium hates them for subverting imperial worlds. Tyranids see them as food. Eldar, Necrons and Chaos think they are a joke, at least until they have to fight them.
No matter the video or topic,MajorKill never fails to entertain! Also; I've always thought Angron holding up the Titan's leg is fucking metal as hell! I'm not a huge Angron fan but I love that moment
Sooooo..... About ten years ago, someone told me that one of the lost, hidden Primarchs is *GUTS* from Berserk. And... Ever since then, I haven't been able to dodge the idea.
well for the nuke I would say it depends on the type of nuke, in the book Godblight G Man got a Magma bomb thrown at him and he was helmetless and did nothing which is terrifying since a Magma bomb has been said that has a power of several gigatons
Kill, “kill”, or Kill-in-pretend? The differences being (primarily) the absence/presence of sufficient plot armor and subversion of audience expectations.
I'm new to Warhammer 40k, i just really found out the lore almost a year ago, and still i have vague understanding of it. Can anyone explain to me how the Primarchs can be explained? Do they have powers like controling a force or magic? Can they manipulate matter?
Primarchs are essentially vat grown humans infused with insane amounts of warp energy, granting them insane psychic potential but also mutant features such as great size, charisma, learning ability, and other more unique traits like wings or horns. Magnus can manipulate matter as the strongest of his brothers psyker wise, and Sanguinus is close as he was able to hold a crumbling ship together with his mind.
@@razorsharpview9090 Horus did not awaken any psychic powers before he fell to Chaos. He was kind of an all rounder instead. Great fighter, great strategist, great orator etc.
The right weapon is essential, the Cabal was sure, John Grammaticus could kill any Primarchs with the Fulgirite ( except their target Vulkan, who turned out to be a Perpetual)
To answer the question we'd have to decide if we mean "in game" or "in the books". It would be a lot easier to take care of them in game, in the books it would probably take a planet falling on them to even scratch their plot armour.
I remember reading recently the raven guard primarch taking a space marine missile launcher to the face and getting only annoyed during his fight with Lorgar. Pretty cool moment for me.
Goku: "I have a way to beat a Primarch." Vegeta: "If you say, "hit him really hard", I swear to God that I will kick *you* in the dick!" Goku: "Well, we could hit him really hard...." Vegeta: "Grrrrrrrr!" Goku: "Together?" Vegeta: ".... Whatever."
Speaking of the godblight it too can permakill daemons as even a named greater daemon of Nurgle needed special protection to finish and handle it, also despite not being in grandpa Nurgle's good books these days he(the plaguefather I think) could probably recreate it.
Lots of things havent been tested on Vulkan by Curze. I mean, if you cut his head off, does the head grow a new body, or the body a new head ? Or do you end up with 2 Vulkans ? Can you just keep Vulkan immobilised (by, like, cutting off his limbs) and just use a cheesegrater to obtain a neverending source of corpse-starch ? So… Many… Questions !
Don't have a bigger, stronger Primarch on hand? All good, just bully them into suicide.
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Remember when Gman faced off unarmed against 10 alpha legionnaires dressed up as ultramarines he took quite a few bolts and slaughtered them
Anti Plot Armour weapons
Dude make a guide where to get the lore to read. I wanna read the novels but ive no clue where to start the horus heresy.
And wth is that about the mother of the primarchs
@@ArantyrDarkhand bro chek Wikipedia... horus rising is the first book and its a belter
Love him or hate him, angron holding up a titans leg while all his bones are breaking under the weight is metal AF
Not as metal as Sanguinius decapitating one.
@@robertnelson9599 A greater daemon? He was talking about a Titan.
@@Super50ldier SPOILERS. In saturnine Sanguinius faces three warhound titans, kills two of them and forces the third to run away. Metal AF.
Hell yeah when I listened to that segment I lost it
@@zevbl8970 Wow Sanguinius is a Beast, first he kills two greater daemons by decapitating them and snaps Ka'Bandha's spine over his knee and he kills two war hound titans? I can't believe Horus was able to kill him.
Imagine you actually kill one, then you find out he's a perpetual that revives themselves after you die naturally or otherwise.
Psykers can perma-kill them
tf are these replies
@EPHRAIM ABNER Take your meds.
VULKAN LIVES
Considering that Tyrranic Pattern Psi Titans of Ordo SInister were created to confront Demon Princes, having Primarch standing up to them builds pretty good picture.
Fulgrim was literally shot in the head by a Bolter sniper and Angorn was crushed by a War Hound Titan, Guilliman was blasted into the Void of space, Vulkan is literally unkillable, and so many of the Primarch have been stab in the gut by power weapons or had their bones and backs broken that they were able to walk it off after a while. In layman’s terms killing a Primarch is pretty difficult to do, and unless you go both the head and neck you aren’t going to be able kill one or have a powerful weapon in your arsenal you can’t do shit to them.
Weren't Rogal and Konrad disemboweled at different points.
What are you on? Vulkan is _easy_ to kill! Conrad Kurze has done it dozens of times!
Jokes aside, I still haven't seen a Primarch take a head-on shot from a Battle Titan's Plasma Annihilator yet. I _highly_ suspect that they won't be able to just walk that one off.
@@anthonylamonica8301 Daemon Angron took one at some point in the siege of Terra. Granted he was turned into a bloody puddle, and regenerated and survived only because he was a daemon, but hey you didn't specify only mortal primarchs.
Fulgrim was actually shot by a needle rifle. It was a grazing hit that skimmed along his scalp, he still would have died with Fabius Bile and he was outside the weapon's effective range. We've also seen terminator marines crushed by titans and be fine afterwards.
@Anthony LaMonica It’s easy to kill someone when you have them prisoner and at your mercy
The thing about Guilliman is, he learns quickly, and if you don't follow through immediately and ruthlessly, he'll plan his way out of anything and find a way to kill you instead. He went from being one of the worst in hand-to-hand combat, getting his ass handed to him badly, to being one of the best after one good training montage. He guy is the absolute best at focusing and learning from his mistakes, and that also makes him an incredible military commander.
Give me a man that can admit and learn from his mistakes and I’ll show you a man that can conquer the world.
@@jpallen9179 and despite getting his ass kicked by daemon primarchs,he usually puts up a insane fight
Keep in mind for context even the weakest primarch was still a monster in combat physicaly or otherwise
The *lion* even 40k,this man was able to FUCKING BODY ANGRON. Take this into context
Angron pre lorgar fuckery was a monster of rage in combat. post that and daemonhood,he became a terror as astartes and more get torn apart and evicerated
And a rusty turned experienced lion with extremely honed instinct, teleporting,an extremely active soul and nightmarish martial prowess
Guilliman might not be one of the best fighters compared to most Primarchs. But he is without argument one of the best generals among them.
0:09 Roboute Guilliman: "What doesn't kill me isn't trying hard enough."
Guilliman M42: "What doesn't kill me is mildly disappointing."
Fulgrim nearly got deleted taking his first planet by himself with his expeditionary fleet. Even he acknowledged how close he came to death by mushroom cloud.
What’s up with Fulgrim and fuck off massive nukes
@Red Hawk lets face it, the guy was a preening peacock. Jagatai and Mortarion called it at Ullinore. In a duel he was dangerous as hell. In terms of battlefield command he was over fond of frill and flourish. That and I can’t take any guy even a demi god that obsessed with aesthetics seriously. IRL he would be a girlie, twink, power bottom.
@EPHRAIM ABNER Take your meds
@@mikewaterfield3599 yeah in a fight he would absolutely destroy you while wearing a purple bath robe
@@synergy8879 yes, but I am a baseline human. Any standard astartese could literally crack my skull open just by swinging their dick. However if I were faced with trying to kill a primarch it would be something like a late series episode of Babylon 5. The short version is the Centari deleted an island the size of Japan to kill a basecamp of godlike aliens so their rival god like aliens would not exterminatus their home world. Yeah when Fulgrim landed on 28-1 I would have rendered his overly gilded storm bird down to base atoms. Short of Vulkan even primarchs can be taken out with a big enough nuke.
Could you make video about from what parts of terra did legions recruit their first astartes ?
I would love to watch that
Is there even actual lore about that?
@@seventhsebas7389 Half of them have it, the other half don't
For example the first Emperor's Children were the first born sons of noble families in Europa
@@yuval3710 Only the ones He didn't turn into Custodes.
@@seventhsebas7389 emperor’s children were taken from Europe , Death guard from Albion ( which is kind of England) , thousand sons from south east , world eaters from Siberia, imperial fists were taken from all parts of the planet , rest I’m not sure
7:00 perturabo basically did exactly that when horus ordered him to get angron and fulgrim in line, and that was even demon-angron
It's probably worth considering that the Emperor is almost certainly doing stuff in the background to ensure Guilliman cannot die. He's probably survived more than other primarchs would just by virtue of the Emperor needing him.
I find it interesting how guilliman is considered the vanilla primarch when it’s supposed to be the lion.
Dorn is actually the most vanilla primarch by a country mile.
@@mrgoober6320 Lion started out the vanilla, turned different. Dorn used to be the vanilla, until you start reading the lore. Guilliman used to be the logistics man, now that Dorn dissapeared and Lion is sleeping, Guilliman takes the role of the vanilla.
Depends on ur definition, G mans power is being a god tier administer and strategist, thats pretty vanillia. The Lion is just a nyon perfect sword duelists and, i guess thats it? prolly more vanilla.
@@slimearbo4596 The Lion is the best pure military strategist of all the Primarchs. In a contest to conquer a single planet, he could do it better than any of his brothers. Big G beats him out in larger scale conflicts (ie. a war fought across multiple sectors with access to supply lines from outside and political fuckery influencing shit) due to superior resource management, though.
Consider that The Lion just about caught up to Horus's planetary conquest score by the time he was named Warmaster. Horus had a 120 year head start on The Lion, the advantage of being personally educated by The Emperor and his Custodians, and The Lion still nearly caught up to Horus's 200 years worth of conquest in just 80 years.
Depends.
Ferrus Manus or Conrad Kurze: Surprisingly easy.
Vulkan: Yea good luck. 😅
Well Ferrus was killed by another Primarch and Conrad allowed himself to be killed just to prove a point
In Conrad kurze's case it was closer to a suicide
vulkan just doesn't stay dead, you can still kill him
@@henrypaleveda7760 if he can't be dead you can't kill him
@@mrsosek6278 but he is dead; over and over; functionally he isn't dead but he ceases to exist; I'd call that dead. even though he's mostly dead.
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I just read Angel Exterminatus and the bit about Fulgrim shrugging off the sniper bullet isnt 100% true. Fulgrim knew that the sniper was there and willingly accepted the shot to earn Perty's help, but moved so that the bullet would curve around his brain instead of through it. Perty was next to him and he did not know about the sniper so he would not have been able to move like that (note Fulgrim was warp tainted at this time, Perty wasnt). It was well accepted by Fulgrim, Perty, and Fabius that the shot would have killed Fulgrim if it went straight through, but Fulgrim had that plot armor.
They seriously explained his survival by that? I mean that's easily the least plausible thing I've ever heard of in the warhammer setting. Which is saying something right there, given some of the crap we see fairly often, and tend to shrug off and try to forget.
Perhaps the author and the editor had a bet to see just how low they could stoop before people called them out? Certainly I can't see any professional author plotting that steaming pile of Jokaero feces into a narrative for any other reason than some sort of sick humour or cynical wagering.
@@charlesparr1611 It read fine, tbh. Fulgrim was one of the best primarchs with exceptionally keen senses, and everything the primarchs do is next level so it fit. Also he had warp spaghetti since he was basically at the zenith of pre-daemon power. To clarify, the bullet rode along the inside of his skull, he didnt move his whole head to perfectly dodge the shot.
@@Shipx7 If what you're saying is that it was him influencing the bullet with warp spaghetti, that's much less egregious. I read your description as him dodging a bullet that was already passing through his skull, thats simply not believable to me, but I can think of any number of ways 'magic' could make that happen as changing the course of the bullet. Precog could let him know it was coming, so he stops/slows time giving him lots of time to set uo a magic forcefield channel from entry would, curving around the inside of the skull, and exiting again. Then he just has to 'catch' the bullet with the 'tunnel' and the rest takes care of itself... Thats what comes to mind first, likely better ways in tghe setting. It seems to me that WH has never really properly explained a lot of the 'magic' in the setting (which is frustrating at times, but I've read its a conscious decision so they can have competing and contrasting ways of getting spooky stuff done by different factions.
@@charlesparr1611 Sorry, he angled his head so that the bullet entered his through his eye then glided around his skull. Its something that happens occasionally in the real world with real bullets and skulls. He knew it was coming and it was a long shot he could time, also hes a primarch so overall it fit. Imagine him looking left as it was about to enter his eye and it followed around his hard skull settling in the back where Fabius removed it and Fulgrim healed.
@@charlesparr1611 Except that there are documented cases of bullets doing precisely this. There are some victims of gun shot wounds to the head where the bullet entered and then followed the curvature of the skull rather than penetrating to the brain. Rare indeed, but it has happened.
Before you kill a primarch you gotta take off there plot armor, then it seems nukes are pretty efficient
well i mean nukes are pretty efficient at killing most things so i guess thats a given
@@legaroojack1251 Except Vulkan.
@@robertnelson9599 yeah, the big chocolate man is on that sigma male grindset
@@legaroojack1251 He's the alpha here
On the note about ka'bandha beating Sanguinius. He has never beat Sangy in a 1v1 fight. His only "victory" against the angel was when he killed several hundred blood angels with a single atrack and the psychic backlash of watching his son's die made him pass out. In every other fight Sanguinius has ending the battle 'killing' the greater daemon.
Yet Ka had the upper hand when he crippled Sanguinius' legs. The blow on the hundreds of warriors was kind of the cherry on the cake.
@@donarep9870 and then yk sanguinius kicked the shit out of him twice
"One thing you should learn from this moment, servant of the Alpha Legion,' Guilliman said. 'When you have to murder a Primarch, and you get one at your mercy, do not waste the moment answering his questions when he still has a bolter in his hand."
Konrad: gets shit on his entire life and is an outcast no matter what.
Everyone: we did nothing wrong.
Not to mention the Emperor literally made him go insane with the visions
@@elchapojrkimgofthetrap2180 too be fair he also tried to save him and the visions were not directly his fault
"no matter what"
To be fair, if skinning people on live Holo-TV in the most cruel and painful manner, that generally is what tends to happen.
I was wondering
"We know a lot about Space Marines And Custodies I wonder how though is a Primarch ?"
Thx majorkill :)
Majorkill: 'How tough is a Primarch?'
Me: okay first, we need to establish how much plot armour we are giving him.
Or there is Vulkan, who's major power is using death as a nap
What you should always remember fighting against Primarchs is that *you should never look down on anyone of them, never be arrogant, be fast, be clever and be cruel.*
I was reading invincible some time ago and I realised that just because you're invulnerable on the outside doesn't make invulnerable on the inside. In other words a primarch's organs could be squishy compared to their skin, muscles or bones.
In that case, dark Eldar sound weapons are likely the best weapons to tackle a primarch.
@@kevinmabryii3091 If you can match the natural frequency of a primarch insides creating ressonance hence exploding them from the inside out. Yes.
Or you can forcibly shove a bomb in a primarch's throat. if a viltrimite can go down like that a primarch can in theory do the same as well. The real difficulty is that fact a primarch is basically 10ft +. You're gonna have to tip toe.
To be fair, that's usually just a writing cop out, because someone with indestructible skin and muscle, but regular organs would just get turned into an indestructible bag of organ mush if they were punched in the gut hard enough.
@@gso619 I mean it's not the most far fetched concept. I mean you can wear the most indestructible suit of armor but you still soft and squisy. Armadillo and tortoises also fall into that category.
Also viltrimites are very hard to kill. Very. Like you will have to play the game of chicken and fight to the death on the surface of the sun in order to permanently kill the strongest viltrimite at that point in time.
'The Boys' does a good job of explaining this concept with "The invisible cunt".
With Fulgrim, apparently the bullet missed his brain and took a trajectory around his skull, so technically we don't know if mushing his brain would've done the trick. Also he was probably possessed by his daemon then, so perhaps that had something to do with it.
Here's how to kill a Primarch: Show them the Imperium in the 42nd Millennium. Guilliman's been dying inside every single day since he was ressurrected.
Kitten: Actually, this is the 49th millennium, where humanity is collapsing but is more technologically advanced than 42th millennium humanity. Superstition is dying but as a result so is peoples resistance to anything really. The 42nth millennium shows a more savage humanity but a more resilient one as well.
this is exactly why the lion pretends to sleep, rogal vanished and leman is in the eye of terror. they just like “nah big blue got this.”
Vulkan was killed by a piece of cutlery - his durability doesn't seem to be much higher than a standard human. Its only the regenerative ability that gives him the edge.
Vulkan is _easy_ to kill! Seriously! Konrad Curze did it dozens of times!
@@anthonylamonica8301 I bet that knife would not have worked if a weaker person held it.
Bro dude survived getting nuked,saying his durability is like or around that of a standard human is a little smoothbrain,I mean bro if a normal person directly got nuked there wouldn't be anything left of him or her to regenerate from
Also, not like vulkan had much of a say in the matter. He was kurze’s prisoner. Chained up, without any of his gear and with nothing he could defend himself aside from his own body. Against KURZE, the deranged psycho who had his entire arsenal of torture and murder weapons to put vulkan through the ringer.
Everyone forgets that _killing_ a Primarch isn't the problem here. It's _making sure that they stay dead_ that causes issues. _The Khan_ experienced true death, but Malcador fixed him within a few days! Bobby G has been killed _several_ times, and he has recovered nonetheless. Vulkan is Vulkan; death is merely an oft-encountered speed-bump in his eternal quest to hug every Eldar he finds into _psychic paste._ But none of this changes the fact that Primarchs are _routinely_ killed! Killing a Primarch isn't a big deal if they don't stay that way.
You and Luetin are THE Loremasters to me. Your enthusiasm, charisma, humor, and knowledge keep me coming back.
idea: what would happen if the 10.000 custodes try to invade the eye of terror?
Rip custodes
@@august3268 Rip Eye of Terror
They don’t because: “NO”- The Emperor
@@garvielloken9297 Loken? You here?
@@august3268 The will certainly be a lot of torn buttholes.
10,000 custodes against what, billions or more likely trillions of daemons?
There was a scene in the HH books where I believe Lorgar, daemon Fulgrim and Horus were ambushed by a VTOL firing autocannon. Think a AH 64 apache with a stronger cannon. Daemon Fulgrim did stop or at least slow down the bullets with his psychic shield but the bullets were enough to hurt them all. Horus jumped through the window onto the VTOL craft and smashed the cockpit
Hold on I need to grab the note pad
Excellent as always.
Have you ever thought about putting any kind of faction for 40K into a video game world and see how they would fill out either individual chapters or space Marines or the whole faction and how would the world react to them.
I've always loved the idea that lasers and plasma shots melt steel and instantly face FK flesh .. well that's what the brochures say, in reality they are the lore-wrench weapons designed to "almost" kill most important enemies. Leaving them with a little smacked bum and a great tan.
4:06 Man-Emperor of Mankind: *"FINAL FLAAAAASSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!"*
Horus: "Oh, how cute. Father named it-OH SHIT!!!"
later
horus:.... well. that escalated. ....wait where the fuck am i?
malal:oh hey,welcome to the non canon/deleted zone,its a shit one.
horus:.....ok then. well fuck.
How hard is it to kill a Primarch? I'm pretty sure that if your name isn't Vulcan, a direct hit from a Plasma Annihilator would do the trick.
No lorgar, the weakest primary took a fusion shoot in the head and he was still alive so it will take more than that
@@polmMM-uk1rz Plasma Annihilators are the giant Plasma weapons carried by Warlord Titans and larger. It's a _bit_ more powerful than a Fusion Gun... by a dozen or so orders of magnitude.
@@anthonylamonica8301 If it can hit a Primarch, Sanginious pretty much soloed a Imperator Titan, but each Primarch is different and Hawk boy is top tier.
@@anthonylamonica8301 angron literally just broke a titans leg while his bones where destroy by the weight so still hard to destroy
@@SkitzofrkHxc The blast radius is dozens of kilometers across. If they are in there, it's _going_ to suck.
One thing you missed is a vortex weapon. Even a loyalist primarch would have difficulty staying alive if they got caught in a vortex blast and shunted into the heart of warp space.
As to the psyker angle, Primarchs know of that weakness and have ways to cover it. Leman Russ loved to carry a big detachment of Sisters of Silence with him, given his heat with the Thousand Sons. Those sisters are why he was able to smash Prospero in the first place.
Also, minor corrections. Guilliman wasn't hit with a Chaos disease. He was hit with a poisoned blade by Demon Prince Fulgrim. It was Horus himself who got slapped with God Plague with a hit from the Anathame .
Mortarion really shines here doesn't he
Love the title and the contrast from the title to showing Sanguinius being folded on the floor like a napkin
Let's be fair for some of these examples:
-Fulgrim had a glancing hit skim his head from a needle rifle past it's effective range
-Space Marines can also survive in space
-Angron was dying under that warhound's heel
-Lorgar had a psychic shield protecting him from the warhound's gun
Also:
-We know from the Night of the Wolf that bolters can kill primarchs
-We know assassins' weapons are strong enough to kill primarchs
-Dorn said primarchs are equal to a company of marines
-Dorn also wasn't sure if he'd survive a drop from the top of the Imperial Palace's walls
-The Khan was almost killed by a random Plague Marine's knife
-Horus was nearly killed by an ork
The imperial palace goes beyond the atmosphere so I’m pretty sure we can excuse Rogal there
@@Bananabob3 not quite, it's 1km tall. Still, once you hit terminal velocity the height becomes irrelevant!
I am pretty sure that Plague Marine knife might be covered in some of the most lethal poxes created by Nurgle
@@RocketHarry865 it was a regular plague marine with a plague knife. Plague knives ARE very deadly but for a primarch that's an extreme low end durability feat
In Magnus, Master of Prospero, Magnus got critically injured from a lascannon shot from a Baneblade. Went straight through him. He killed the traitor PDF (including using his psyker powers to dismantle the entire Baneblade into its constituent parts to get to the pilots) and went on to stop a gargantuan ship from crashing into the planet (though this cost twelve of his Thousand Sons and nearly took down both him and Ahriman in the process). Perturabo afterwards said "I have long held it would take something immense to kill one of us, but I had no idea you would take that as a challenge. I know I am strong, but even I would struggle to bear the weight of a starship."
The basic question is: Can [X] kill a Primarch. And the answer is ultimately, yes. As long as there is sufficient quantity, magnitude and/or plot. Then anything can reasonably kill a Primarch, especially if it sells more stuff!
Could Archaon the Everchosen kill a Primarch?
Depends who's writting
Archaon gets his nuts kicked like Grimgor Ironhide did to him
Age of Sigmar, yes. Fantasy, hell no.
Yes, because when Archaon is involved in his own story other characters become stupid af, so yes
Probably, depends on the rules, but when he activates his sword he’s pretty broken in terms of duelling ability, and he’s also a pretty deft hand with sorcery as well. It’s likely he just beats them purely with magic. If you put him up against good combatants with warp powers it would be interesting, basically a who can hit the other first sort of thing, with the obvious downside of Archaon not having access to ranged weapons. So somewhat surprisingly, the daemon primarchs would likely all beat him.
I'm new to the HH novels, listening to them all on Audible and currently 3/4 way through Fulgrim. The scene with him punching an avatar of Khaine to death was awesome and I'm big Eldar fan haha
Try cain
"Guilliman actively trying not to die"
Is that why we never see a HELMET on him?
Seems to be more of a trend with the artwork. In the Dark Imperium trilogy at least he always puts one on when able.
Hi Majorkill... I was just recently introduced to this exciting new world of Warhammer 40k. The whole lore is fascinating to me... Thank you for all your in-depth videos and making them so much fun! I ❤ them!! Keep them coming and I will keep watching them. 😊
The world is vast i found it in the 80s it has everything colour love power horror thrills
I'm suprised you didn't mentioned at the end Guilliman having probably every eldar STD and still being fine.
Imagine a timeline where Malcador actually choked Horus to death and accidentally prevented The Horus Heresy
I’m pretty refusing a hug from Vulcan would deal some serious damage to him.
Great comment
Imagine NOT hugging Uncle Vulkan. I may be a space wolf but even I have to give victory hugs to my salamander cousins
Bud space wolves hug like all the time, they get a few drinks in them and they get huggy as shit
Honestly, the Wolves are one of the more backslappy, gregarious bunch of Marines. They aren’t as friendly as Salamanders but if you’re a good sport you can probably expect a clinch or two
@@orbitalbutt6757 oh I agree 100% but not even we hug like our pyromaniac cousins. No one hugs like the Salamanders
As if any mortal could turn down a hug from Vulkan?
And provided you gave enough mead, ale, and dirty jokes/war stories, the Space Wolves will pass you around with hugs and skull shattering back claps.
The two most bro-lad legions out there.
Could you make a video about what did each race think about the tau
Orks hate them because they just snipe greenskins. The Imperium hates them for subverting imperial worlds. Tyranids see them as food. Eldar, Necrons and Chaos think they are a joke, at least until they have to fight them.
Question, have the Tau ever encountered the Necrons? I know they attacked some Tyranids the Tau were fighting, but they did not actually communicate.
“Why won’t I just die?”
“Plot armor and or nano machines, Sons.”
DUDE YES THANK YOU MAJORKILL THIS QUESTION HAS BEEN DESTROYING MY BRAIN
Great content as always still looking for that collaboration between MajorKill and WesHammer
4:06 watamelon understands the burden of duty
No matter the video or topic,MajorKill never fails to entertain!
Also; I've always thought Angron holding up the Titan's leg is fucking metal as hell! I'm not a huge Angron fan but I love that moment
Read the title as “How touch is a primarch” and I’m like why would I ever touch mortarions stinky add
"With his infamous ability to hold up a fucking titan leg" LMFAO
Corax: They sent seven legions after me and did not kill me. You are not a threat.
‘Even gods may die’
0:37 Clearly oatmeal raisin, minus the oatmeal and plus a few extra days in the sun
Only thing that can kill a Primarch is GW not knowing how to use them properly.
"Vulcan is dead!"
short time later...
"Vulcan lives!"
even shorter time later...
"Vulcan is dead - again!"
Majorkill I just wanted to say thanks for fulfilling my vid request a while ago you absolute mad lad
Sooooo..... About ten years ago, someone told me that one of the lost, hidden Primarchs is *GUTS* from Berserk.
And... Ever since then, I haven't been able to dodge the idea.
I wonder what the minimum most thing it would take to kill a primarch in the same sense a human can die from tripping and falling on their head.
Keep in mind, that now someone getting "Gray Knight-ed" is a legimate way to oof. I love that phrase XD
Abbadon: Write that down! Write that down!
Khan: AAAAAAAAAARRGHHHHH!! *Kills paper with a pencil*
Y'all remember Unremembered Empire? When an Alpha Legion killteam nearly murked Gman?
well for the nuke I would say it depends on the type of nuke, in the book Godblight G Man got a Magma bomb thrown at him and he was helmetless and did nothing which is terrifying since a Magma bomb has been said that has a power of several gigatons
“Angron got gray knighted”🤣 i love that line in particular!
Kill, “kill”, or Kill-in-pretend? The differences being (primarily) the absence/presence of sufficient plot armor and subversion of audience expectations.
Hey man, I was in Melb over the weekend, saw your car across from the train station, small world.
Love the camera quality
I'm new to Warhammer 40k, i just really found out the lore almost a year ago, and still i have vague understanding of it. Can anyone explain to me how the Primarchs can be explained? Do they have powers like controling a force or magic? Can they manipulate matter?
Primarchs are essentially vat grown humans infused with insane amounts of warp energy, granting them insane psychic potential but also mutant features such as great size, charisma, learning ability, and other more unique traits like wings or horns.
Magnus can manipulate matter as the strongest of his brothers psyker wise, and Sanguinus is close as he was able to hold a crumbling ship together with his mind.
@@humanity600 so they are somekind of force user or having psionic powers? Is that right sir?
@@humanity600 And also how abot the Character Horus? What are his powers? He can summon lightning or something?
@@razorsharpview9090 yes they are psychics.
@@razorsharpview9090 Horus did not awaken any psychic powers before he fell to Chaos.
He was kind of an all rounder instead. Great fighter, great strategist, great orator etc.
**Fulgrim gets shot in head while talking to an astartes**
Fulgrim: huh, I suddenly feel light headed. Anyway, what did you say about Horus?
The right weapon is essential, the Cabal was sure, John Grammaticus could kill any Primarchs with the Fulgirite ( except their target Vulkan, who turned out to be a Perpetual)
Angron getting crushed below the avalanche of debris that the Auretian technocracy unleashed in their final battle was really hectic
Guilliman’s superpower is that his common sense is too strong for even the setting of 40k itself to stop.
Primearchs are absolutely badass at every level
"Fulgrim was hit point blank with a virus bomb that banished him to horny jail."
"Angron got Gray Knight'ed."
... I love this channel. 😆
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At least Sanguinius is not in a Yamcha Pose
I never knew how soft leman Russ actually was since he had so many primarchs at his mercy
Tachyon Arrow maybe as well? I only know of one example of its power. That being one banging a (warhound??) titan in the Twice Dead Kings: Ruin book
I misread the thumbnail as "how to touch a primarch." I am both relieved and saddened that's not what the video is about.
I need to see majorkill in a flashgitz video
To answer the question we'd have to decide if we mean "in game" or "in the books".
It would be a lot easier to take care of them in game, in the books it would probably take a planet falling on them to even scratch their plot armour.
I remember reading recently the raven guard primarch taking a space marine missile launcher to the face and getting only annoyed during his fight with Lorgar. Pretty cool moment for me.
Same rules as sith lords. Blow up their ship and they go byebye
I think a good rule of thumb is anything that could give Chuck Norris a significant flesh wound would kill a 40K Primarch.
Short answer: As tough as the plot demands it.
>Alpharius died
*Kronk voice*
...RIIIIIIGHT. Exactly that, that is was happened exactly. Mhm, noooo question.
Clancy, "I just really wanted to kill a Primarch"
Ferrus Manus's power is to eat sand... Poor old Metal Hands never had a chance
Something built by Vulkan can also body them. That staff, the something of entropy, could turn them to dust.
How to kill the emperor? The C'tan? The Chaos gods? The Hive Mind? The multitude of orks?
Goku: "I have a way to beat a Primarch."
Vegeta: "If you say, "hit him really hard", I swear to God that I will kick *you* in the dick!"
Goku: "Well, we could hit him really hard...."
Vegeta: "Grrrrrrrr!"
Goku: "Together?"
Vegeta: ".... Whatever."
Speaking of the godblight it too can permakill daemons as even a named greater daemon of Nurgle needed special protection to finish and handle it, also despite not being in grandpa Nurgle's good books these days he(the plaguefather I think) could probably recreate it.
Lots of things havent been tested on Vulkan by Curze.
I mean, if you cut his head off, does the head grow a new body, or the body a new head ? Or do you end up with 2 Vulkans ?
Can you just keep Vulkan immobilised (by, like, cutting off his limbs) and just use a cheesegrater to obtain a neverending source of corpse-starch ?
So… Many… Questions !
How tough is a primach
However tough the writer needs them to be at that moment
Imagine hitting a primarch with a necron gauss cannon or one of those big cannons that looks like a levitating spine
I wanna see a story of angron going up with Gulliman and get perma killed with the emperor's sword
Horus: "what happened to vulkan?"
Kurze: "him? I killed him. cut off his bloody head"
Horus: "well, thats step 1... what about 2-10?"