now, Daikun, to better express my opinion on the matter let me tell you the story of Girolamo Savonarola. A dominican monk and preacher in the 15th century Florence. He was very good with words, and managed to topple the Medici and obtain power in the city , but he was so strict and cruel in his pursuit of goodness and justice that the people that once believed in him rebelled and burned him at the stake. Moral of the story: if you are too preachy and unorderly in your pursuit of justice you won't do to society and yourself any good, that's why we have a justice system and not a popular tribunal.
While I understand the reasoning behind the MeToo movement, the radicals are going too far in trying to force it into the entertainment industry in general. I'm for the general ideas of the MeToo but I believe there should also be protections against false accusations included in the argument. I've seen plenty of stories of people's life and reputations being ruined as result of proven false accusations even some people being driven to committing suicide.
Mr Daikun I APPLUED you for making this video. I'm so glad someone was able to see the narrative reasoning for why these anime and games used sexual assault. Especially in the case of SAO, and anime that people don't even try to think deeply about due to the negative bias this show has.
Glorious and thought through with all the nuances involved, this was a good analysis of the issue presented. You are a practitioner of the quote: “Trust, but verify.”
Most time it to far right or far left that I just get tried of hearing of it. There never scale balance to anything anymore. Take my avatar for one thing I comment saying he's Mary Sue. The person who comment didn't really say why.
Rising of the shield hero is one of my favoret series. Spoilers (just to be safe) Especially how naofumi is forced to deal with how his accused crime effects not only him but those who join him later. Seeing the other heros realize that they mistreated him over a lie was a highlight favoret momemt for me. Also anything involving raphtalia as she is best girl
I walked into this expecting the worst. I'm happy to find you getting to the point and stating the context. VC4 Raj should be reprimanded, however in the situation it's difficult to do so. SAO A I haven't watched it but I heard about it. The details you provided show there was context and it was well done. Shield hero...false rape charges exist and in my opinion the accuser should recieve equal punishment because it ruins everything even if proven innocent. The metoo movement is well intentioned but like many thing it's corrupted. Sadly idiots neglect context are not open minded.
I feel like everyone that has negative views of anime because of the sexuality should watch this. I feel like it would bring a lot more peace to the flame wars that are happening online because of such a topic. And I’ve mentioned this in the discord, but this reminds me of that one woman on twitter that made the #bandragonball hashtag over false accusations of the anime being sexist or whatever. Others were commenting on it with evidence from the anime that her accusations were false, stating that one of the male characters weaknesses were one of the woman characters. To be clear, I do support the metoo movement, but I definitely believe accusers should start their accusations with evidence of what they think is offensive, rather than going in blind and being thrown off the boat from the get-go. I support people who fight for what they believe in, just as long as they know who and/or what they’re up against, and as long as they have evidence that could make their voice heard. Otherwise, great video, I completely agree with the points that you made, and I hope more people see this
Actually I would like to share a relevant story about rape accusations here, that being the story about Brian Banks. If you're into American football you're probably already familiar with him and his case, but to make an arduous story short he was a standout athlete in his High School until he was arrested in 2002 and charged with raping his classmate, he was around 18 at the time. No conclusive evidence was presented at court, but he was told that he could face 41 years in prison if he was deemed guilty and accepted a plea deal, which included five years in prison, five years on probation and registering as a sex offender. His classmate later sued the school district for being unsafe and received 1.5 million dollars in restitution. Banks was in prison for about five years and two months and spent a further five years on custody parole before his classmate was videotaped admitting that she made up everything. The case was opened and Banks' case was overturned in 2012. He would go on to play in the UFL and later signed with the Atlanta Falcons in the NFL. He received nothing for nearly having his entire life ruined and his classmate never faced any charges for the false accusation. This is the kind of thing that can happen purely on the basis of an accusation.
Going to be honest, as soon as I saw the hashtag I got worried about where the direction of the video would go. And sure, I may be not for the movement as I've seen it being encouraged to ruin mens lives because someone wished to profit over the allegation. But thank you, OtakuDaiKun. I had a feeling you would have the feelings you did present in the video. And big thanks for taking the time to study the issues at hand, for what the movement says they're trying to correct and the truly evil ones who seek to use the movement to fill their own pockets and ruin the lives of potentially many individuals. And thanks for the good examples of your points as I've only been vaguely aware of the 2 examples (a little upset my friend downplayed the one) and was completely unaware of the SAO example (as I haven't seen the 3rd season yet)
ChaosReacon137 Not to say SAO is a masterpiece or anything. But yeah, I get fired up about stuff but by the time my thoughts reach the video I've processed and distilled them into something more coherent.
@@OtakuDaiKun Exactly. It's done well, but the series still has flaws that keep it from a masterpiece which still shouldn't discount the good parts about it. And yes, you have clearly done so lol Thanks again for sharing your opinion and sharing the examples to support your stance. Keep up the great work!
from watching this video it brought a really public like sensitive issues which involves not only the anime community but also laws, politics, and morality into the frame. for myself this issue is complicated, however one thing i can agree with; is the censorship of anime content that gives the story more dynamic feel and realism to issues happening in real life events but as stated its only fiction which is bring this issues to light and provides awareness. having said that, the anime of shimoneta comes to mind were you have a world with kids being sexually unaware and not being able to deal with such experiences. in the end its like right is wrong while wrong is right.
When I first heard about SAO using the r*pe again, I rolled my eyes, but when I saw it, I could only think "Wait, murder and stealing is bad, but this is allowed? Why aren't there more laws? Who the hell is running this place? Why can't they see the higher nobles getting out of hand?? This place is so flawed.." As for Rising of the Shield Hero, Amber Heard
Holy shit Seeing the title I thought you were some kind of SJW or one of the Pedantic/Zeria crazy youtubers, but I was big time wrong. You made actually pretty well structured video which definitely triggered some extreme which becomes more and more ridiculous every year and often they are the root of all these controversies. Have a nice day dude
@@OtakuDaiKun Oof That actualy hurt. Then again, when you have a yt who is just lazy enough to steal an idea from Joey (who probably didn't come up with this idea by himself) and call shippings canon... Or other things like Goblin Slayer. And the list still goes on...
@@OtakuDaiKun I think they, then again if Joey thought incest lesbians/yuris are great so did PR. But I stopped caring since both of their channels are a joke.
Great Video. I would still say that the critics concerning a too much free-way of using rape as a short plot in SAO is true. In reality, victims of rape will be more like Guts and Casca in Berserk or even Alucard in his backstory in Hellsing. Victims will spent decades if not their entire life dealing with this event, and let's not talk about how much this will change them. So from my point of view, SAO author deserves the critic for using rape so casually and pretend nothing happens right after a ''hero'' arrive or shrugging it off right after since it is a short story. In the end, it is poorly written and it shows a proper misconception or lack of information on the subject.
BK2207 I see what you're saying but it's not like those girls just shrug it off, we just never get to see them afterward. It's tricky when they aren't protagonists.
Honestly I expected something horrible but you made some good points and criticize both side which is something I think a lot of people including myself love
I'm not sure I can support MeToo. It is well meaning enough, but that can be said of a lot of very terrible movements. What really matters is it doing significantly more good than harm, and I'm woefully unconvinced of such. I've seen too many accusations thrown out that do lots of damage to people yet are completely unsupported, or proven false later, but it is always the accusation that gets the press, not the truth. To be fair it has also gotten some long standing issues highlighted, but ultimately if it is doing harm than good, or even a large amount of good but a lot of harm as well, I'm not sure it is a good movement overall.
Just a reminder that rape requires penetration while sexual assault does not. Just wanted to make that correction for whenever you were talking about SAO. No one has gotten raped in SAO yet to my knowledge.
@@OtakuDaiKun Yea, I thought you were right. I just wanted clarify that it wasn't rape, yet. If Eugeo couldn't break the system to enact justice, then rape would definitely have happened.
We live in such a strange world dont we? Have you ever just sit back and looked at our world like one would an anime? I have, and every time I do I'm reminded by a quote I read long ago, "Reality is far stranger than any fiction", and I believe that it will only become more apparent the longer time moves on. Also, great video! 👍
To keep my comment short, Thank you. I hate it when people throw hate toward things I love, especially when it what they're hating on is helping their movement. Oh, and by the way, siren is a bit of an understatement. What you really meant was b*tch.
Very well put together video. I agree with pretty much all of it. Only real issue I have is with the Valkyria 4 part. No mention of how Kai and Raz are childhood friends who have grown up together. So the butt grab really isn't a problem since it's just a joke between friends and not some malicious intended action.
I agree Raz doesn't intend to harm Kai in any way, but that doesn't make it okay, but I do agree Kai can deal with the situation on her own terms if she wants to.
@@OtakuDaiKun Not really trying to say Raz didn't do anything wrong. Just that the context is important and without it paints him in an even worse light than necessary. The difference basically being, Raz the sexist scumbag sexually assaults a fellow soldier and mocks her. And Raz the moron does something stupid and innapropriate to his friend jokingly. And I think that's the main problem the SJWs don't get with this. They don't consider the relationships between the characters or the situation. Sorry for the rant.
You’d think sjws would be pleased with the Sao raping episode since the rapists get punished for their crimes. I sure was pleased even though I’m no sjw.
politics and entertainment don't go hand to hand, mostly because politics go against the "immortality" of art. And as a victim of what metoo would see as a form of assault, just know that nobody cared, because I was a man, and men cannot be victims apparently. I wasn't even the first to be treated in such a disagreeable way, by the same person. I think that instead of leaving justice in the hands of some random internet movement, we should focus more on being better people and apply true, unfeeling justice, without trying to prove how good and moral we are, in contrast to many idealists I see online and in real life, who seem more to pursue justice for their own benefit, rather than for the good of society.
A nuanced take. I like it...although i do think that in Japan, which has its own troubles with socially progressive awareness in regards to females, they could could take a lot of these issues to heart a lot more seriously than it seems like they do. Even the author of SAO said as much that he learned certain things recenty going overseas. I hope that it helps his work be more balanced towards those issues. I hope that doesnt make me a "blue haired SJW trying to take the animes away from fans", like i hear around. Valkyria 4 for instance, Raj doesn't make me laugh so much as make me cringe when he is supposed to be a character in a more realistic war scenario that begs for that seriousness, childhood friends or no. VC1 never had that kind of thing and it was better for it. I get that in terms of fan doujin and anime sexual fantasies are more and more prevalent these days in more mainstream works, but i hope that can be balanced out with more thoughtful topics on these issues beyond just fanservice or "pushing the limit for what's acceptable"
Yeah, it does. Kawahara let sjws who don't even watch anime to begin with influence him. No SAO fan wants political correctness in their anime or games. He's removing all fanservice from the upcoming SAO game because tumblrites like you brainwashed him.
If there was one thing I though was weird when watching Fate, it was how many times a woman gets choked. Also that scene where Rin gets assaulted. It was almost comedy.
But people like to get offended and point something out Last season with goblin slayer, people went crazy cuz of a rape scene, is part of a fictional story. What do they want!!!
Having finished Valkyria chronicles 4 and knowing Raz and Leena’s relationship, I have to disagree that it was as serious as you make it out to be. everything else was pretty well said though.
If I might add about Raz, by the end of the game he's the most gentlemanly character in the game and his literal grab ass horse play (which if you think that's bad try being in a football locker room after a win, it gets pretty gay). So no I don't think he was out of line, he was just being a dick. Oh and Kai couldn't report him lest she reveal shes actually a woman. Overall rape in anime is fine when shown to be a negative, as it always is, and can help push the evil in the antagonist or the society they live in, such as Grifith!!! Besides, ME2 has kinda run its course in my opinion, at this point dudes are too scared to date women cause of the power of the accusation, (hell it's got me scared shitless). Oh yeah missed opportunity to talk about how SAO is going PC according to the author, and if you wanted to put an example of rape as shock value Kings Game comes to mind. Good Video Man
I completely understand what you are getting at, but my problem is mostly with Quantity over Quality. When a majority of shows feature a topic (especially lazily or poorly) it builds the mindset that this is how the topic is. Rape is a common example and is a big one because of how poorly it is often handled. In context to Japanese anime, there is too much of it of varying quality (especially when it comes to porn) that it draws attention to this plot device. That's where the analyzation of the plot device comes in. I don't see too many people mention quantity over Quality in their argument. If this sounds all over the place, i understand. I am not the greatest at thinking out the entirety of an argument in one go.
I think in Valkyria Chronicles 4, Kai is a leader for sniper squad while Raz is the leader for shock troopers. So basically, they have the same ranking but different role. There are multiple sexual harassment happened through out the franchise, but I never thought them to be a serious problem. Rather, I see those act as a way for them to deepen their relationship not as a fellow soldier but also a comrade that you can trust with your life without having gender or position to hinder them. Also, I don't know about anyone else but I always got sexual harassed by my fellow friends. They always doing that as joke so I always laugh it off or just do the same thing to them. It's what friends do in my opinion.
Well that doesn't mean your friends are right to sexually harass you. Hopefully they behave knowing full well you don't mind, and they should be totally fine stopping if you ask them to.
if SJWs (that clearly didn't read the source material btw) are but hurt about the false rap accusations in Shield Hero, i can hardly wait to see they're reaction to the Princess getting whats coming to her. BOTH times.
@@OtakuDaiKun from what i heard from a guy that read the web novel, it's pretty bad, and that she fully deserves it due to her own actions after the current arc ends. Though, the Manga and Anime are likely to not go that rout with what happens to her, so I'm interested in seeing how things go with her later as well.
So I admit the only one I knew about was the shield hero one. Frankly I support the movement but as of late if someone is claimed a sexist that seems to be it for many. Which annoys me since it turns out later the accuser is discovered to have lied but that person’s life is ruined. If the allegations are true punish the rapist for ruining the victim’s life. If they aren’t true punish the fake victim for ruining the accused’s life.
Reki Kawahara said in a i recently interview he purposely added sexual assault and rape into the story for plot reasons. Considering he did it in every season of the show... it tell you he's a low ball writer... I don't remembe rwhat he said exactly.
@@KhanMann66 Except Fate tends to take it a lot more seriously than SAO does. The tone of Fate, despite it's ridiculous premise, is also a bit more mature than that of SAO, so it doesn't feel that much out place. That's also a major difference.
My opinion don't fight me Brad Kavanagh did not touch her. He even said that he was an virgin and Christian. It is that woman that said those accusation.
Setsuna K Yuuki No. He’s not insulting you. He’s just saying that you should use some punctuation to better clarify your thoughts. Right now, since your comment doesn’t have any punctuation in it, it reads as one long sentence with a lot of unexpected pauses which make it more difficult to read and understand than it should be.
@@setsunakyuuki4369 That's strange. It doesn't look like you fixed it. There still aren't any periods, commas, or other punctuation marks in your comment. It could be that UA-cam is bugging out and not displaying any edits that you may have made.
So I can’t criticize anime without supporting censorship? Also, given the horrid SAO sex assault scene that was pointless shock and nothing else, what did you expect? SAO could’ve used far more meaningful, effective plot point.
Not to say you're supporting censorship, but if that criticism relies on outrage and offense, idiot publishers won't understand the nuance. If you still think that scene is "pointless shock" then you must not have gotten my point.
OtakuDaiKun It was. Did Asuna or Kirito get affected by such a traumatic event or did they forget it ever happened? It was the latter and, therefore, it was pointless shock that used a real issue in a trivial and insulting manner. Again, there were more logical and effective options for making the villain hatable with making you hate the story and Reki’s guts.
I get the context behind the scenes in SAO, and love that you're taking a non bias stance on this whole topic, but it doesn't stop it from being an overused, edgy and lazy story telling device within the franchise. It ain't the first time SAO uses sexual assault and then just shrugs it off and ignores those things ever happened for the sake of having a ''dark and mature'' moment. It's lazy story telling, at least when it's done in SAO, but that's maybe because I still have memories of that happening to Asuna for no reason. Stuff like Goblin Slayer, Shield Hero and Berserk kind of set a tone and world where something like sexual assault doesn't feel forced or like it comes out of nowhere for the sake of being edgy. Rape can and will happen in those worlds, but they don't treat it likes it's a one off thing to shrug off when it's done and serves no purpose later. With SAO, it constantly feels like it's just there for one moment, like the writer is poking me in the eye saying ''LOOK HOW BAD THIS GUY IS, DON'T YOU JUST HATE HIM!? CAN'T WAIT TO SEE KIRITO MESS HIM UP, RIGHT!? Ok, now that that's done, let's go see Asuna or some other waifu bait do something else... What sexual assault? Did that happen? OH, WHO CARES! That's already done and over with, check this other shit out''. It's frustrating. Idk, I just don't think it's done well in SAO.
I don't think SAO just shrugs rape off. The fact that it comes up so often is proof of that. Would you prefer to have Asuna linger on the trauma of her experience longer? What would it take for you to find it less lazy?
You know what it really piss me off? The lazy and unrealistic depictions of armed conflicts. A friend of mine was in the mexican army, not so much in the current "war on organized crime", just a few years before that. He was in a training exercise, a massive one, with artillery and columns of vehicles, his platoon had to take an enemy position, with mock enemies, just a bunch of woodplates and practice targets. The particular objective was to call a mortar attack on the enemy position and storm it while the enemy was disorganized, simple stuff, most of the time without casualties, the lieutenant was a greenhorn and was unsure of how to conduct the assault, and in the end he lost so much precious time that many soldiers mock died in the assault, according to the referee officers. In anime the protagonists just throw themselves head on toward the enemy, impervious to bullets and single handedly win battles. Fighting is a very nasty thing, and mindlessly fighting makes it worse, most of the time people die if they don't know what they're doing. Winning battles in modern times, even with overwhelming numbers and firepower, is a tortuous and time consuming matter, full of setbacks, unknowns and uncertainty, also the personnel and material equipment are limited. I've been studying the war on Syria, particularly the war on ISIS almost from the very beginning, and I believe is one of the best examples of why I'm saying, a textbook example on modern warfare, long time, effort consuming and limited operations. Sometimes even particularly effective units has to move from one place to another in support of new assaults, making them weary and reducing their combat effectiveness, in real war, regardless of how well trained and experienced soldiers are, they can die or be wounded, and then they have to be replaced with maybe equally trained but inexperienced soldiers. I also have a problem with the duration of service rotation of anime soldiers, I've seen examples of guys who have been fighting for years uninterrupted, without R&R or shore leave, and say they're fine that way, that rest will make them slow o make their senses less sharp. Most of the time that's not only physically and emotionally bad, but also illegal, soldiers have right to be periodically removed from the frontline, if not out of the theater completely, they must be evacuated if wounded, and be relieved of duty when their tour of service is over, that most of soldiers expect to the point of counting the days. They even have the right to reclaim their retained payments and accumulated interest once they have finished their rotation. I think it has more in common with the idea of being a soldier during the imperial era, to sacrifice oneself for the fatherland and the emperor, to being able to feel motivated even in the most uncomfortable conditions, hunger and sickness was considered secondary to fighting, and being brave and relentless in the face of imminent death had almost a mystical appeal to the public and soldiers. I know anime is fictional and protagonists have a plot armor that makes them impervious to attacks, and that rule of cool should be maintained at all costs, but I think that not an excuse to make battles look cheap and sincerely uninteresting, stakes are not taken seriously, risk is inexistent and everything is clear and ordained, instead of chaotic and dirty, death is a thing that happens to the lesser guys. And battles are mostly picket fights kind of like infinity war, with the armies coming from opposite sides of an open world. That's it, just standing in front of each other, no trenches, no pillboxes, no artillery support, sometimes even no maneuvering, like something from a peplum movie. No tactics, just a melee, daytime face to face battle. When I see something like that in a show or a movie, it not makes me feel tension or the possibility of the protagonists being defeated, it makes me laugh, I found it hilarious, like an uninspired cliche.
"SJWs" don't exist. No one is saying media can't have dark themes as long as they are handled right. Please stop using "SJWs" as this group of people who are wrong and fit what you want them to. Also you cheery picked examples to fit what you think not looking at things weighed to find an answer. Also I haven't played VC4 but just because a game/show normalizes these behaviors doesn't mean it right, also you have to look outside the media and not just the in game lore. SAO aliczation's rape scene was horribly done, they introduced characters JUST to be raped and be rapists then are quickly moved out of the story. The problem with this story arc is rape is being used as a cheap shock again in SAO and handled that rape victims are weak and need guys to save them and solve everything. Even the creator of SAO said he's going to stop using that trope because he's learned and become a better writer so he even agrees. With shield hero there was very little of people actually being angry about it, it was fine and I could see it being concerning to some people but wasn't bad like the SAO example. Don't get caught in the anti-"SJW" echo charmer and making videos of things that don't really exist or if they do they are so small and blown up to seem like theres a huge group of people doing it. For shield hero there was only like 2 articles about it and if anything most people are more upset about the slavery and the trope of hero buys a slave and is a "good master" instead of fighting that system, though thats another discussion all together. And idk why you brought up Anita, most feminists don't agree with her extreme points on media and seemed you just wanted to find a way to discredit people but using someone extreme. I like your fate videos and I hope you take this as good criticism to learn and grow.
At this point I would say anyone who blames media for the way politics are going irl is an SJW. I'm saying these works of media do NOT normalize anything. They're stories with controlled circumstances that exist in their own universes. If someone becomes a rapist and claims it's because they grew up on works like SAO, they're full of crap. You can't blame the media for the actions of individuals who can't properly contextualize their fiction. As for the rape in SAO, we create characters for specific purposes all the time. In Pixar's "Up" the old man has a wife character who exists almost exclusively to love him and die to set up his character. It's a beautiful montage, and we don't need to know everything else about the wife to tell the story. Sure, the girls and rapists are only on screen for the duration of that arc, but it's not like we have to see them for just those moments. I read an article on shield hero that criticized the show for the false accusation. Even if it weren't the most popular article, it's still worth arguing its points in concept. I mention Anita because she was the first person I heard say media doesn't "exist in a vacuum". It's a concept that I feel gets caught in the hyper progressive echo chamber. Not existing in a vacuum basically IS normalization as it's being described.
@@nathanielduncan4692 she* while I think his logic is wrong and frankly just don't wanna bother deconstructing it I don't think antagonizing him is gonna help
Dai sensei the me too movement it's a sham the only Target Republicans backers and people who have money I'm going to say a quote from my former me too supporter is the movement going to help Federal prosecutor or a political tool for the Democrat Party
I'd like to try and keep this civilized, but do speak honestly I suppose^^;
Sup Dai
How did you comment on this before the video was released?
Crimson Rain My vids are uploaded for early access patrons a few days in advance.
Looks like Hirokoshi-sensei is once again under fire from crazy sjw's. When will this bullshit stop!?
now, Daikun, to better express my opinion on the matter let me tell you the story of Girolamo Savonarola. A dominican monk and preacher in the 15th century Florence. He was very good with words, and managed to topple the Medici and obtain power in the city , but he was so strict and cruel in his pursuit of goodness and justice that the people that once believed in him rebelled and burned him at the stake. Moral of the story: if you are too preachy and unorderly in your pursuit of justice you won't do to society and yourself any good, that's why we have a justice system and not a popular tribunal.
While I understand the reasoning behind the MeToo movement, the radicals are going too far in trying to force it into the entertainment industry in general. I'm for the general ideas of the MeToo but I believe there should also be protections against false accusations included in the argument. I've seen plenty of stories of people's life and reputations being ruined as result of proven false accusations even some people being driven to committing suicide.
Very well thought out perspective. Honestly, you got me to open up a bit more to the SAO scene, so cheers.
MetToo is good in concept but one bad apple could make this movement even harder
Mr Daikun I APPLUED you for making this video. I'm so glad someone was able to see the narrative reasoning for why these anime and games used sexual assault. Especially in the case of SAO, and anime that people don't even try to think deeply about due to the negative bias this show has.
Glorious and thought through with all the nuances involved, this was a good analysis of the issue presented. You are a practitioner of the quote: “Trust, but verify.”
You Sir, have my respect for tackling a serious issue with respect and honesty it deserves.
Thank you finally someone with nice balance on this view point.
Most time it to far right or far left that I just get tried of hearing of it. There never scale balance to anything anymore. Take my avatar for one thing I comment saying he's Mary Sue. The person who comment didn't really say why.
Rising of the shield hero is one of my favoret series.
Spoilers (just to be safe)
Especially how naofumi is forced to deal with how his accused crime effects not only him but those who join him later. Seeing the other heros realize that they mistreated him over a lie was a highlight favoret momemt for me. Also anything involving raphtalia as she is best girl
Blaming entertainment media for the world's ills is the death of creativity and free expression.
Gotta say, every point of argument raised here sounded like my own sentiments being put into words that I couldn't find for myself.
I walked into this expecting the worst. I'm happy to find you getting to the point and stating the context. VC4 Raj should be reprimanded, however in the situation it's difficult to do so. SAO A I haven't watched it but I heard about it. The details you provided show there was context and it was well done. Shield hero...false rape charges exist and in my opinion the accuser should recieve equal punishment because it ruins everything even if proven innocent. The metoo movement is well intentioned but like many thing it's corrupted. Sadly idiots neglect context are not open minded.
Nice video, I don't like politics in my anime.
Unless the anime itself is about a politican and it has a good plot and writeing
@@hihelo5131 Yeah in that way it's fine and wouls make sense.
I love these debate videos , they always open eyes to things I didn't know /realize , educational for me I might say.
I feel like everyone that has negative views of anime because of the sexuality should watch this. I feel like it would bring a lot more peace to the flame wars that are happening online because of such a topic. And I’ve mentioned this in the discord, but this reminds me of that one woman on twitter that made the #bandragonball hashtag over false accusations of the anime being sexist or whatever. Others were commenting on it with evidence from the anime that her accusations were false, stating that one of the male characters weaknesses were one of the woman characters. To be clear, I do support the metoo movement, but I definitely believe accusers should start their accusations with evidence of what they think is offensive, rather than going in blind and being thrown off the boat from the get-go. I support people who fight for what they believe in, just as long as they know who and/or what they’re up against, and as long as they have evidence that could make their voice heard. Otherwise, great video, I completely agree with the points that you made, and I hope more people see this
Actually I would like to share a relevant story about rape accusations here, that being the story about Brian Banks.
If you're into American football you're probably already familiar with him and his case, but to make an arduous story short he was a standout athlete in his High School until he was arrested in 2002 and charged with raping his classmate, he was around 18 at the time. No conclusive evidence was presented at court, but he was told that he could face 41 years in prison if he was deemed guilty and accepted a plea deal, which included five years in prison, five years on probation and registering as a sex offender. His classmate later sued the school district for being unsafe and received 1.5 million dollars in restitution. Banks was in prison for about five years and two months and spent a further five years on custody parole before his classmate was videotaped admitting that she made up everything. The case was opened and Banks' case was overturned in 2012. He would go on to play in the UFL and later signed with the Atlanta Falcons in the NFL. He received nothing for nearly having his entire life ruined and his classmate never faced any charges for the false accusation. This is the kind of thing that can happen purely on the basis of an accusation.
Going to be honest, as soon as I saw the hashtag I got worried about where the direction of the video would go. And sure, I may be not for the movement as I've seen it being encouraged to ruin mens lives because someone wished to profit over the allegation.
But thank you, OtakuDaiKun. I had a feeling you would have the feelings you did present in the video. And big thanks for taking the time to study the issues at hand, for what the movement says they're trying to correct and the truly evil ones who seek to use the movement to fill their own pockets and ruin the lives of potentially many individuals. And thanks for the good examples of your points as I've only been vaguely aware of the 2 examples (a little upset my friend downplayed the one) and was completely unaware of the SAO example (as I haven't seen the 3rd season yet)
ChaosReacon137 Not to say SAO is a masterpiece or anything. But yeah, I get fired up about stuff but by the time my thoughts reach the video I've processed and distilled them into something more coherent.
@@OtakuDaiKun Exactly. It's done well, but the series still has flaws that keep it from a masterpiece which still shouldn't discount the good parts about it. And yes, you have clearly done so lol Thanks again for sharing your opinion and sharing the examples to support your stance.
Keep up the great work!
@@nathanielduncan4692 ok...
Otakudaikun. Thank you for speaking out about this
from watching this video it brought a really public like sensitive issues which involves not only the anime community but also laws, politics, and morality into the frame. for myself this issue is complicated, however one thing i can agree with; is the censorship of anime content that gives the story more dynamic feel and realism to issues happening in real life events but as stated its only fiction which is bring this issues to light and provides awareness. having said that, the anime of shimoneta comes to mind were you have a world with kids being sexually unaware and not being able to deal with such experiences. in the end its like right is wrong while wrong is right.
When I first heard about SAO using the r*pe again, I rolled my eyes, but when I saw it, I could only think "Wait, murder and stealing is bad, but this is allowed? Why aren't there more laws? Who the hell is running this place? Why can't they see the higher nobles getting out of hand?? This place is so flawed.."
As for Rising of the Shield Hero, Amber Heard
Holy shit
Seeing the title I thought you were some kind of SJW or one of the Pedantic/Zeria crazy youtubers, but I was big time wrong.
You made actually pretty well structured video which definitely triggered some extreme which becomes more and more ridiculous every year and often they are the root of all these controversies.
Have a nice day dude
If only this more structured vid could pull in Pedantic's numbers.
@@OtakuDaiKun Oof
That actualy hurt.
Then again, when you have a yt who is just lazy enough to steal an idea from Joey (who probably didn't come up with this idea by himself) and call shippings canon...
Or other things like Goblin Slayer. And the list still goes on...
Ponczos_22 Didn't know they stole ideas.
@@OtakuDaiKun I think they, then again if Joey thought incest lesbians/yuris are great so did PR. But I stopped caring since both of their channels are a joke.
Great Video. I would still say that the critics concerning a too much free-way of using rape as a short plot in SAO is true. In reality, victims of rape will be more like Guts and Casca in Berserk or even Alucard in his backstory in Hellsing. Victims will spent decades if not their entire life dealing with this event, and let's not talk about how much this will change them. So from my point of view, SAO author deserves the critic for using rape so casually and pretend nothing happens right after a ''hero'' arrive or shrugging it off right after since it is a short story. In the end, it is poorly written and it shows a proper misconception or lack of information on the subject.
BK2207 I see what you're saying but it's not like those girls just shrug it off, we just never get to see them afterward. It's tricky when they aren't protagonists.
Honestly I expected something horrible but you made some good points and criticize both side which is something I think a lot of people including myself love
I am on the side of anime and freedom of creativity.
MeToo is a slippery slope prone to exploitation. You hit the nail on the head with this one, Dai.
I'm not sure I can support MeToo. It is well meaning enough, but that can be said of a lot of very terrible movements. What really matters is it doing significantly more good than harm, and I'm woefully unconvinced of such. I've seen too many accusations thrown out that do lots of damage to people yet are completely unsupported, or proven false later, but it is always the accusation that gets the press, not the truth. To be fair it has also gotten some long standing issues highlighted, but ultimately if it is doing harm than good, or even a large amount of good but a lot of harm as well, I'm not sure it is a good movement overall.
To add if a movement does good but equality bad. You can consider it an active effort to segregate and cause wounds that won't easily heal.
Just a reminder that rape requires penetration while sexual assault does not. Just wanted to make that correction for whenever you were talking about SAO. No one has gotten raped in SAO yet to my knowledge.
truesilver112 Attempted rape that easily would have succeeded without intervention.
@@OtakuDaiKun
Yea, I thought you were right. I just wanted clarify that it wasn't rape, yet. If Eugeo couldn't break the system to enact justice, then rape would definitely have happened.
THANK YOU!!!
We live in such a strange world dont we? Have you ever just sit back and looked at our world like one would an anime? I have, and every time I do I'm reminded by a quote I read long ago, "Reality is far stranger than any fiction", and I believe that it will only become more apparent the longer time moves on. Also, great video! 👍
I have and i wanted to blow the planet up killing everyone one earth with.
To keep my comment short, Thank you. I hate it when people throw hate toward things I love, especially when it what they're hating on is helping their movement. Oh, and by the way, siren is a bit of an understatement. What you really meant was b*tch.
Very well put together video. I agree with pretty much all of it. Only real issue I have is with the Valkyria 4 part. No mention of how Kai and Raz are childhood friends who have grown up together. So the butt grab really isn't a problem since it's just a joke between friends and not some malicious intended action.
I agree Raz doesn't intend to harm Kai in any way, but that doesn't make it okay, but I do agree Kai can deal with the situation on her own terms if she wants to.
@@OtakuDaiKun Not really trying to say Raz didn't do anything wrong. Just that the context is important and without it paints him in an even worse light than necessary. The difference basically being, Raz the sexist scumbag sexually assaults a fellow soldier and mocks her. And Raz the moron does something stupid and innapropriate to his friend jokingly. And I think that's the main problem the SJWs don't get with this. They don't consider the relationships between the characters or the situation. Sorry for the rant.
Psych0taku No I absolutely agree with you.
You’d think sjws would be pleased with the Sao raping episode since the rapists get punished for their crimes. I sure was pleased even though I’m no sjw.
Ashley S You would think. They’d rather pretend rape doesn’t exist.
honestly with rising of the shield hero it was a stupid complaint to have, i can understand the other ones but with shield hero it wasn't bad at all.
politics and entertainment don't go hand to hand, mostly because politics go against the "immortality" of art. And as a victim of what metoo would see as a form of assault, just know that nobody cared, because I was a man, and men cannot be victims apparently. I wasn't even the first to be treated in such a disagreeable way, by the same person. I think that instead of leaving justice in the hands of some random internet movement, we should focus more on being better people and apply true, unfeeling justice, without trying to prove how good and moral we are, in contrast to many idealists I see online and in real life, who seem more to pursue justice for their own benefit, rather than for the good of society.
A very good video. An intelectual perspective.
Makes me wanna snap and erase all the SJWs.
*sees Sango and Asuna in the opening*
I see you're an otaku of culture as well.
A nuanced take. I like it...although i do think that in Japan, which has its own troubles with socially progressive awareness in regards to females, they could could take a lot of these issues to heart a lot more seriously than it seems like they do.
Even the author of SAO said as much that he learned certain things recenty going overseas. I hope that it helps his work be more balanced towards those issues. I hope that doesnt make me a "blue haired SJW trying to take the animes away from fans", like i hear around.
Valkyria 4 for instance, Raj doesn't make me laugh so much as make me cringe when he is supposed to be a character in a more realistic war scenario that begs for that seriousness, childhood friends or no. VC1 never had that kind of thing and it was better for it.
I get that in terms of fan doujin and anime sexual fantasies are more and more prevalent these days in more mainstream works, but i hope that can be balanced out with more thoughtful topics on these issues beyond just fanservice or "pushing the limit for what's acceptable"
Yeah i hope so to we can only hope.
Yeah, it does. Kawahara let sjws who don't even watch anime to begin with influence him. No SAO fan wants political correctness in their anime or games. He's removing all fanservice from the upcoming SAO game because tumblrites like you brainwashed him.
If there was one thing I though was weird when watching Fate, it was how many times a woman gets choked. Also that scene where Rin gets assaulted. It was almost comedy.
You are boring That happens a lot yes. I wouldn't read too much into it though.
You would put Saber at the end...
3dark7 Yeah?
But people like to get offended and point something out
Last season with goblin slayer, people went crazy cuz of a rape scene, is part of a fictional story. What do they want!!!
They really should praise goblin slayer since goblin slayer hunts down and kills rapists.
as i dont know if i agree or dissagree with everything in the video, it has at least done its job in making me think about it
KitaroWatches That's totally valid.
I'm not sure if i agree or disagree either,i think the human race should be remade.
@@OtakuDaiKun The human race should be remade that's what i think.
Having finished Valkyria chronicles 4 and knowing Raz and Leena’s relationship, I have to disagree that it was as serious as you make it out to be. everything else was pretty well said though.
DragonRuler96 I made it as serious as the critics did. The fact that the game doesn't treat it more seriously is what made people upset.
If I might add about Raz, by the end of the game he's the most gentlemanly character in the game and his literal grab ass horse play (which if you think that's bad try being in a football locker room after a win, it gets pretty gay). So no I don't think he was out of line, he was just being a dick. Oh and Kai couldn't report him lest she reveal shes actually a woman.
Overall rape in anime is fine when shown to be a negative, as it always is, and can help push the evil in the antagonist or the society they live in, such as Grifith!!! Besides, ME2 has kinda run its course in my opinion, at this point dudes are too scared to date women cause of the power of the accusation, (hell it's got me scared shitless).
Oh yeah missed opportunity to talk about how SAO is going PC according to the author, and if you wanted to put an example of rape as shock value Kings Game comes to mind.
Good Video Man
We'll have to see how SAO's creator actually changes. That article came out after I finished this video.
I completely understand what you are getting at, but my problem is mostly with Quantity over Quality. When a majority of shows feature a topic (especially lazily or poorly) it builds the mindset that this is how the topic is. Rape is a common example and is a big one because of how poorly it is often handled. In context to Japanese anime, there is too much of it of varying quality (especially when it comes to porn) that it draws attention to this plot device. That's where the analyzation of the plot device comes in. I don't see too many people mention quantity over Quality in their argument. If this sounds all over the place, i understand. I am not the greatest at thinking out the entirety of an argument in one go.
The4evergaara What do you mean by quality in this context?
pleas pay no attention the the NPC's throwing a bitch fit on social media it was the way they where programmed
You get a gold star
How the hell did I miss this. The video I mean
Not sure. Maybe because it was demonetized.
Yo apparently you time travelled and left a comment before the video was published dai.
bcfb21 Early access for $5 patrons.
OtakuDaiKun ooooooohhhhh that makes more sense I guess. Not as fun though.
I think in Valkyria Chronicles 4, Kai is a leader for sniper squad while Raz is the leader for shock troopers. So basically, they have the same ranking but different role. There are multiple sexual harassment happened through out the franchise, but I never thought them to be a serious problem. Rather, I see those act as a way for them to deepen their relationship not as a fellow soldier but also a comrade that you can trust with your life without having gender or position to hinder them.
Also, I don't know about anyone else but I always got sexual harassed by my fellow friends. They always doing that as joke so I always laugh it off or just do the same thing to them. It's what friends do in my opinion.
Well that doesn't mean your friends are right to sexually harass you. Hopefully they behave knowing full well you don't mind, and they should be totally fine stopping if you ask them to.
Thanks for the concern. They do stop before going too far though so you don't have to worry about me. Just like I said, they did that as a joke.
@@OtakuDaiKun yeah but i mean kai didn't have any problem with it that she coudn't resolve herself.
federico filippini I agree.
I couldn't care about SAO, since I think it only uses sexual harrassment for drama.
I stay to see my girl Judith
if SJWs (that clearly didn't read the source material btw) are but hurt about the false rap accusations in Shield Hero, i can hardly wait to see they're reaction to the Princess getting whats coming to her.
BOTH times.
I haven't read the source but I sure am excited to see how that develops.
@@OtakuDaiKun
from what i heard from a guy that read the web novel, it's pretty bad, and that she fully deserves it due to her own actions after the current arc ends.
Though, the Manga and Anime are likely to not go that rout with what happens to her, so I'm interested in seeing how things go with her later as well.
So I admit the only one I knew about was the shield hero one. Frankly I support the movement but as of late if someone is claimed a sexist that seems to be it for many. Which annoys me since it turns out later the accuser is discovered to have lied but that person’s life is ruined. If the allegations are true punish the rapist for ruining the victim’s life. If they aren’t true punish the fake victim for ruining the accused’s life.
Couldn't have said it better myself good job👍😇
Actually Women also use their position against men. Too me both sides are guilty.
Reki Kawahara
said in a i recently interview he purposely added sexual assault and rape into the story for plot reasons.
Considering he did it in every season of the show... it tell you he's a low ball writer...
I don't remembe rwhat he said exactly.
Imagination Hammer Low ball perhaps but engaging nonetheless.
Same could be said for Nasu as well. Every fate franchise has rape or attempted rape in some routes. Mess up but it has purpose.
@@KhanMann66 Except Fate tends to take it a lot more seriously than SAO does. The tone of Fate, despite it's ridiculous premise, is also a bit more mature than that of SAO, so it doesn't feel that much out place. That's also a major difference.
Once again this guy has said the truth with no bs
My opinion don't fight me Brad Kavanagh did not touch her. He even said that he was an virgin and Christian. It is that woman that said those accusation.
I'd understand you more if this were worded with proper grammar.
@@OtakuDaiKun wait are you insulting me
Setsuna K Yuuki No. He’s not insulting you. He’s just saying that you should use some punctuation to better clarify your thoughts. Right now, since your comment doesn’t have any punctuation in it, it reads as one long sentence with a lot of unexpected pauses which make it more difficult to read and understand than it should be.
@@GarMori I fixed it
@@setsunakyuuki4369 That's strange. It doesn't look like you fixed it. There still aren't any periods, commas, or other punctuation marks in your comment. It could be that UA-cam is bugging out and not displaying any edits that you may have made.
So I can’t criticize anime without supporting censorship?
Also, given the horrid SAO sex assault scene that was pointless shock and nothing else, what did you expect? SAO could’ve used far more meaningful, effective plot point.
Not to say you're supporting censorship, but if that criticism relies on outrage and offense, idiot publishers won't understand the nuance. If you still think that scene is "pointless shock" then you must not have gotten my point.
OtakuDaiKun
It was. Did Asuna or Kirito get affected by such a traumatic event or did they forget it ever happened?
It was the latter and, therefore, it was pointless shock that used a real issue in a trivial and insulting manner. Again, there were more logical and effective options for making the villain hatable with making you hate the story and Reki’s guts.
I get the context behind the scenes in SAO, and love that you're taking a non bias stance on this whole topic, but it doesn't stop it from being an overused, edgy and lazy story telling device within the franchise. It ain't the first time SAO uses sexual assault and then just shrugs it off and ignores those things ever happened for the sake of having a ''dark and mature'' moment. It's lazy story telling, at least when it's done in SAO, but that's maybe because I still have memories of that happening to Asuna for no reason. Stuff like Goblin Slayer, Shield Hero and Berserk kind of set a tone and world where something like sexual assault doesn't feel forced or like it comes out of nowhere for the sake of being edgy. Rape can and will happen in those worlds, but they don't treat it likes it's a one off thing to shrug off when it's done and serves no purpose later. With SAO, it constantly feels like it's just there for one moment, like the writer is poking me in the eye saying ''LOOK HOW BAD THIS GUY IS, DON'T YOU JUST HATE HIM!? CAN'T WAIT TO SEE KIRITO MESS HIM UP, RIGHT!? Ok, now that that's done, let's go see Asuna or some other waifu bait do something else... What sexual assault? Did that happen? OH, WHO CARES! That's already done and over with, check this other shit out''. It's frustrating. Idk, I just don't think it's done well in SAO.
I don't think SAO just shrugs rape off. The fact that it comes up so often is proof of that. Would you prefer to have Asuna linger on the trauma of her experience longer? What would it take for you to find it less lazy?
And the media needs real journalists to do their actual job and not base it on hysteria from any individual.
Truth dude
Dai sensei Sao rape scene in episode 10 the light novel was it worse I don't have time to read because of school so anybody let me know please.
Let's be honest. The main problem with SJW is that none of them would be willing to ditch their keyboard for an AK47.
You know what it really piss me off? The lazy and unrealistic depictions of armed conflicts. A friend of mine was in the mexican army, not so much in the current "war on organized crime", just a few years before that. He was in a training exercise, a massive one, with artillery and columns of vehicles, his platoon had to take an enemy position, with mock enemies, just a bunch of woodplates and practice targets. The particular objective was to call a mortar attack on the enemy position and storm it while the enemy was disorganized, simple stuff, most of the time without casualties, the lieutenant was a greenhorn and was unsure of how to conduct the assault, and in the end he lost so much precious time that many soldiers mock died in the assault, according to the referee officers.
In anime the protagonists just throw themselves head on toward the enemy, impervious to bullets and single handedly win battles.
Fighting is a very nasty thing, and mindlessly fighting makes it worse, most of the time people die if they don't know what they're doing. Winning battles in modern times, even with overwhelming numbers and firepower, is a tortuous and time consuming matter, full of setbacks, unknowns and uncertainty, also the personnel and material equipment are limited. I've been studying the war on Syria, particularly the war on ISIS almost from the very beginning, and I believe is one of the best examples of why I'm saying, a textbook example on modern warfare, long time, effort consuming and limited operations. Sometimes even particularly effective units has to move from one place to another in support of new assaults, making them weary and reducing their combat effectiveness, in real war, regardless of how well trained and experienced soldiers are, they can die or be wounded, and then they have to be replaced with maybe equally trained but inexperienced soldiers.
I also have a problem with the duration of service rotation of anime soldiers, I've seen examples of guys who have been fighting for years uninterrupted, without R&R or shore leave, and say they're fine that way, that rest will make them slow o make their senses less sharp. Most of the time that's not only physically and emotionally bad, but also illegal, soldiers have right to be periodically removed from the frontline, if not out of the theater completely, they must be evacuated if wounded, and be relieved of duty when their tour of service is over, that most of soldiers expect to the point of counting the days. They even have the right to reclaim their retained payments and accumulated interest once they have finished their rotation.
I think it has more in common with the idea of being a soldier during the imperial era, to sacrifice oneself for the fatherland and the emperor, to being able to feel motivated even in the most uncomfortable conditions, hunger and sickness was considered secondary to fighting, and being brave and relentless in the face of imminent death had almost a mystical appeal to the public and soldiers.
I know anime is fictional and protagonists have a plot armor that makes them impervious to attacks, and that rule of cool should be maintained at all costs, but I think that not an excuse to make battles look cheap and sincerely uninteresting, stakes are not taken seriously, risk is inexistent and everything is clear and ordained, instead of chaotic and dirty, death is a thing that happens to the lesser guys. And battles are mostly picket fights kind of like infinity war, with the armies coming from opposite sides of an open world. That's it, just standing in front of each other, no trenches, no pillboxes, no artillery support, sometimes even no maneuvering, like something from a peplum movie. No tactics, just a melee, daytime face to face battle.
When I see something like that in a show or a movie, it not makes me feel tension or the possibility of the protagonists being defeated, it makes me laugh, I found it hilarious, like an uninspired cliche.
Me too is an shill of an movement what about human trafficker and politicians non right-leaning but left-leaning
What about the politicians?
@@OtakuDaiKun I'm talking about Bill Clinton and people like him that are Democrats
The problem is that a lot of people talk out their ass before they actually know the circumstances... just saying.
That much is obvious. Context is key but they aren't that nuanced.
"SJWs" don't exist. No one is saying media can't have dark themes as long as they are handled right. Please stop using "SJWs" as this group of people who are wrong and fit what you want them to. Also you cheery picked examples to fit what you think not looking at things weighed to find an answer. Also I haven't played VC4 but just because a game/show normalizes these behaviors doesn't mean it right, also you have to look outside the media and not just the in game lore. SAO aliczation's rape scene was horribly done, they introduced characters JUST to be raped and be rapists then are quickly moved out of the story. The problem with this story arc is rape is being used as a cheap shock again in SAO and handled that rape victims are weak and need guys to save them and solve everything. Even the creator of SAO said he's going to stop using that trope because he's learned and become a better writer so he even agrees. With shield hero there was very little of people actually being angry about it, it was fine and I could see it being concerning to some people but wasn't bad like the SAO example. Don't get caught in the anti-"SJW" echo charmer and making videos of things that don't really exist or if they do they are so small and blown up to seem like theres a huge group of people doing it. For shield hero there was only like 2 articles about it and if anything most people are more upset about the slavery and the trope of hero buys a slave and is a "good master" instead of fighting that system, though thats another discussion all together. And idk why you brought up Anita, most feminists don't agree with her extreme points on media and seemed you just wanted to find a way to discredit people but using someone extreme. I like your fate videos and I hope you take this as good criticism to learn and grow.
At this point I would say anyone who blames media for the way politics are going irl is an SJW. I'm saying these works of media do NOT normalize anything. They're stories with controlled circumstances that exist in their own universes. If someone becomes a rapist and claims it's because they grew up on works like SAO, they're full of crap. You can't blame the media for the actions of individuals who can't properly contextualize their fiction. As for the rape in SAO, we create characters for specific purposes all the time. In Pixar's "Up" the old man has a wife character who exists almost exclusively to love him and die to set up his character. It's a beautiful montage, and we don't need to know everything else about the wife to tell the story. Sure, the girls and rapists are only on screen for the duration of that arc, but it's not like we have to see them for just those moments. I read an article on shield hero that criticized the show for the false accusation. Even if it weren't the most popular article, it's still worth arguing its points in concept. I mention Anita because she was the first person I heard say media doesn't "exist in a vacuum". It's a concept that I feel gets caught in the hyper progressive echo chamber. Not existing in a vacuum basically IS normalization as it's being described.
@@OtakuDaiKun Aw did he make you upset your probably bawing right now.
Nathaniel Duncan Huh? No... I welcome opinions like this and genuinely want to argue them.
@@nathanielduncan4692 she* while I think his logic is wrong and frankly just don't wanna bother deconstructing it I don't think antagonizing him is gonna help
Nathaniel Duncan Being an asshole accomplishes you nothing.
Also learn to type properly.
Dai sensei the me too movement it's a sham the only Target Republicans backers and people who have money I'm going to say a quote from my former me too supporter is the movement going to help Federal prosecutor or a political tool for the Democrat Party