Even now, the 2019 iMac is an insanely usable computer. I still sell them like hot cakes. 5K screen, upgradeable, reliable, can run Windows. Now the only upgrade you'll be doing with Apple products is upgrading your credit limit to afford a new one when the old one runs out of storage or is no longer "officially supported". Great video as always man.
but Intell is gradually dying for Mac, it is no longer supported for WIFI 7 and soon will stop support new macOS (at least officially) and each time going inside is a nightmare, common -why every Apple product have to be opened from the screen ?
Some of that isn't trial software on the CDs from 1995, some of them are encyclopedias, word processors and other things. Most people only had a 14.4 or 28.8K modem so downloading complete programs over the internet wasn't really and option plus many people got the Proforma to get online for the first time. Multimedia had pretty much a different meaning before broadband.
Seconded. I can appreciate that many people wouldn't have liked the Apple of that era, but that part of the video reeked of someone who just wasn't there to purchase a pre-built computer in the nineties. It wasn't just Apple. PCs came with books and CDs, too. The rest of the video was solid, though.
My family got a Performa 5200 in the mid 90s and it included full versions of stuff like Myst, ConcertWare, ClarisWorks, and more. Most of the “bloatware” there is similar to the sorts of apps a Mac ships with today, the only difference is Apple writes them. It’s also worth noting that CDs for game, app, and multimedia were still kinda new in the mid 90s so it made sense to ship CDs with the app. It’s also worth noting that Apple continued to ship lots of 3rd Party software with Macs well into the 00s, it’s just they were pre-installed
Came here to say this too, my family had this same bundle and it was basically a whole library of full-fledged of software and games. It was not some crummy book of trial software!
Even the much later models of the iMac had a DVD of software you could get for it with a suite of software. Downloading is de rigeur these days, but it's a fairly recent thing to have reliable, high-speed internet.
Right, about 80% of the software that shipped on the Performa was the full version. Those aren’t CDs of trial software. Most of those are CD ROMs with full versions…
The internet back in the 90s wasn’t like it is today for easily downloading stuff in the performa days… those “bloatware” disks and the magazine etc were all great stuff to ship with a computer in the 90s.
I just wrote a similar comment, the content creator guy is in his mid 20s and really has no clue about what it was like back in the 80s/90s, we wanted these disks and we wanted the magazine and even a subscription to it every month.
Luke has never experienced the 90s pain of downloading even trial software over a dial up connection. And that was assuming it was available online. Heaven forbid your almost finished with your download and your sister picks up the phone to spend an hour talking with her boyfriend. Wait it out and start again... Ahh memories.
@@brandonspies Oh and many people did not even have internet even until the mid-late 90s, so for most people you wanted software you would head to the local mom and pop computer shop and they would have a wall of floppy disks for demo software and boxes for more fancy programs.
IMO, It isn’t a coincidence that Laptops (MacBooks) and separate desktop tower PCs (Mac Mini, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro) are gobbling up the sales of the All-In-Ones like the iMac, even in the Windows PC World. All-in-ones just sit in such a weird middle ground nowadays, neither as portable as a laptop or handheld PC, nor as upgradable, customizable, or as modular as a desktop tower PC setup.
The iMac as a percentage of their sales has never been very large. I’m sure or I’m thinking that probably just came to a point where it’s like if you’re not selling that many really what’s the point I mean plus you can get that monitor for way less than 1599 now if you pair that with a laptop, especially an M1 I mean you can come pretty close to what you would pay for a fully maxed out iMac and have the convenience myself personally, I was able to get an M1 16 inch MacBook Pro with 64 gig of memory for 2299 new and the monitor for 1000 the Apple studio display if you take that configuration with a terabyte of storage on that MacBook Pro you would spend about the same amount of money if you were going to get an iMac and now you have the portability. it’s great to be nostalgic and stuff and all that I mean that there’s a lot of good things that aren’t around anymore, but in this case, I just don’t think that this is one of them
@@roguewavecreative While I think your statement about relative sales percentages for iMacs is true today and probably has been for a while, I suspect that in the decade immediately following introduction of the iMac it DID make up a significant percentage of Apple's Mac sales. But you're right--MacBooks, be they MBPs or MBAs--have gotten so good and so durable that most non-professional consumers don't see a reason to buy a computer that must, of necessity, be chained to a desk. So the market for all-in-ones has dwindled. Add super-powerful M4 iPads into the mix and there goes another portion of the consumer-level market. Times have changed. But I DO miss that stick-your-tongue-out iMac, you know--the one with all the personality. I hope they WILL come out with a HomePod-iPad combo with a similar form factor that I can incorporate into my kitchen in place of the Echo Show that I use there now. Now THAT version of an all-in-one I would scarf up in a heartbeat.
@@mpetrides I am so impressed everyday by my m1 mbp max with 64gb and 1 tb which I got this amazing deal of 2299.00 new a yr ago from Adorama. I have a apple studio display but with that size (16”) and an ipad as a second screen you are at the 27” size combined with the mobility and that m1 screams. and now that I’m done blabbering about my own thing, you make a great point I think back then that that iMac was a huge seller, but it’s I think like you mentioned things have just changed and the ability of that laptop to basically be as fast if not faster than a desktop just doesn’t make the iMac such a appealing product. It really is more about nostalgia than anything. The biggest thing I’ve learned and I mean this is because of the pandemic. I started watching a lot of these tech review videos is that they review and talk about stuff as a pertains to them versus the overall market and I think that’s where it creates a lot of confusion.
@@Elixyr1985 and 20 years ago someone would ask the same question, and 20 years before that. Going to guess 1985 is your birth year and if that's the case you were 19 in 1985. You'll find it's really common for people to think the best music is the music from the time they were 15-25, no matter when they were born.
Th iPhone killed the iPod ..... sheesh. Apple didn't get to be the largest company in the World by making careless marketing mistakes. If the iPod was still a hot-seller, Apple would offering multiple models/variants to service that market.
If streaming was revolutionary for music in the last decade, apple wasn't the pioneer & isn't the leader. Neither in terms of market share (spotify) nor in terms of quality (tidal etc) although iTunes was the inspiration which proved people are happy to pay a reasonable price for anything & also might just want to try songs, instead of buying full albums.
As a person who lived through the 90s with Apple products, you gotta remember that the internet was not something found on all households. Having that “bloatware” in discs was important to give customers a taste of different softwares. Even if you did have internet, attempting to download large files over dialup was a multi-day affair. The translucent iMacs came at a time when high-speed internet was more abundant so it was a different era.
Virtually no one outside of some businesses had broadband internet in 1998. And the iMac did come with a bunch of pack-in software like Nanosaur, Quicken, encyclopedia etc. It was just in a more tidy disc pack. Bundled software like that came with them through the iMac G5 era IIRC.
All correct. Just want to add that in the late 90s when the first iMac was produced, high speed internet was more abundant but NOT ubiquitous. Many if not most people were still using dial-up internet at that time, and the iMac shipped with an internal 56K modem as standard. So, yes, all those CDs were a welcome treasure chest of software and games for a new iMac user. Oh.... and manuals were definitely not considered "bloat".
I am an older user (70+). While I do have an iPhone and and iPad, if I want to do 'serious' work I prefer using my 2017 21 inch iMac. It was an "upgrade" from a 2010(late 2009) iMac. I like the larger screen. For some reason, I find using a laptop/notebook/macbook cumbersome. I prefer using the separate keyboard which includes the integrated number pad. It's just easier for me.
Did you go through a; 'Mid Life Crisis' at all? I am wondering because am just about Mid 40s and I am wondering if this happens to just about every one? Please & Thanks.
You could have a separate keyboard, mouse/trackpad and big screen while using a laptop or Mac mini. If you're clever enough to use modern computers, you would surely be able to plug in a few cables to connect third party gear to your macbook.
That is the double-edged sword of a company which controls both the hardware and software. You get integrated technology that works, and which works well with other products from the same company. But when you want something that company does not offer, no other company can offer it either, so you are stuck.
Exactly. This is the problem with Apple. Not enough hardware choices. So when they discontinue models, people are stranded and can't upgrade to a newer version.
@@squatch545 Are you listening Apple? Sure it's a few niche products getting 2% and 1% and so on. But the 5% or 6% share you're losing are "once you go Mac you never go back" users who are lost forever. A kind of compound interest you're missing out on for reaching critical mass market share.
@@keithyakouboff8755 Seriously? Back in the 1990s, Apple licensed out their OS to third party vendors, but that did not work out financially for Apple. But please tell me, if I want to buy an upgradable Macbook or iMac designed, manufactured, and sold by a company other than Apple, running Apple's official MacOS software, where can I do that? Right.
The 27" iMac Pro was the last greatest Consumer-affordable (to a point) made. I personally could not afford it at the time, but I coveted ever since it was announced.
I mean new they were crazy money. I bought one for £5k and it barely out performed my Mac Pro 5,1 for real work so I took it back. But couple of years later I bought a second hand 10core for £2k and it seems like a great machine. The screen alone is insane. Makes any other choice impossible. I’ve tried Samsung m8 but it looks pretty trash compared to Apple 5k. So next purchase will have to involve a studio display or some kind of hot-rod fix up on an old iMac 5k to use the screen. ?
@@yeknommonkey Crazy money? Where did you buy it? The 27" iMac was between 2000 and 2500 Euro's. The machine you're talking about was that crazy Studio version
I am a professional web developer and I used a 27 inch 2015 iMac for NINE YEARS. And when it got replaced, it could STILL do everything I needed, though the edges of the screen were starting to get pink. I really think that if Apple sold a 27 inch Mac, they'd sell a ton of them. I just don't get it. I'm now using a 16 inch 2024 MacBook Pro with a third party 27 inch 4K monitor. It's fast as hell, but the third party monitor is a downgrade. GREAT video as always.
Same here, have ultrawide 5k2k and that thing, while maybe the best on the market, still prales in comparison to Apple's screen. Brightness of all PC monitors is far from level of ones Apple is using. Like 450 nits is max, typically more like 350 nits. Also, all these monitors are 4k at max, which is just 163 ppx for 27", if you get bigger one it's far less. Far from 210 ppx ideal for macOs. To me it seems like there are only two types of PC monitors - ultrawides in regular res 1440p and high refresh rate for gamers, or poor ones made for office. So called "pro" are overpriced and crappy as hell too.
I still have my 2015 5k, and I love it. I even got a second one for my second desk. My main is the Core i7, R9 M395X, 40gb RAM, 1tb SSD, and the other is the base model. But they are strikingly easy to upgrade and repair.
27” iMac lover here. It’s really disappointing that this product no longer exists within the Apple Silicon lineup. I had to switch to a Mac Mini but that didn’t quite cut it for me, so I went with the 24” iMac. And that was great, but 24” is just small for me as a video editor so I ended up getting rid of it one year later. So ultimately I did what Apple wants you to do; get the Studio Display and hook it up to either a Mac Studio, or (just like I did) to a MacBook Air / Pro. Don’t get me wrong, I love my Studio Display + 15” M2 16/512GB MBA setup. But would get rid of it in a heartbeat if a 27/30” iMac with apple silicon was to come out. Hell yeah.
Yeah, the Apple product line of the 90s had lots of problems, but including a manual the size of a novel was almost necessary in the 90s when lots of people literally didn’t know how to use a mouse. And that book of CDs consisted of a system restore disk and full versions of ClarisWorks, a multimedia encyclopedia and educational software, not “trial ware”. Acting like it’s a Norton antivirus trial, AOL and some shareware 🙄
@@Cenobytezi mean thats just macOS being finicky with industry standard resolutions. That needs to be fixed if they don't plan on making a reasonable display under 1000$.
I bought the 27" 4GB quad core i5 model in 2010. Over the years I put 16GB of RAM in it and then the real game changer was adding SSD drive. Totally amazing... even into the 2020s... Had it until 2022 when the video card went... complete pain... Now I have a Mac Mini M1 and a 43" smart monitor and to be honest I can't imagine buying a modern iMac even though that old iMac I had is among the best things I ever bought.
@@shapelessed Google is your friend. Samsung M80C and M7, for example. Monitors and TVs are fundamentally different in how they are designed to represent text and colors. TVs use YCbCr while monitors typically use RGB values. That, and their pixel arrangement, is why text looks so bad when displayed on a television vs a normal monitor. Smart monitors add streaming services to... well, monitors so you can watch Netflix or whatever without the ridiculous requirements that come with UHD Netflix on PC. They're really good for dorm rooms, etc.
There’s graphics card repair services out there. I send my 2010 27” iMac’s card to a guy on eBay who repaired it, and it’s been working fine for six years since. You can also stick some other newer graphics cards in there.
I think most people just don't want a dedicated PC anymore. Most people are now using tablets or laptops. If you're a casual user, it makes way more sense to buy a MacBook Air or an iPad and use an external display if you want a bigger screen. If you need performance, you're gonna want a Mac Studio and probably multiple monitors. If you want something to use on an existing display, the Mac Mini is there. The market for an iMac is just so small, you need someone who doesn't need performance, want a big display, but don't want to buy a MacBook for some reasons (basically, you need someone who values aesthetic over anything else). Even an iMac Pro doesn't really make sense, the SoC will become obsolete for your work at one point and you can't use the screen for anything else, so you're gonna throw away a perfectly good panel, or the other way around, you'll want a bigger / better screen, but you're throwing away perfectly good hardware. It makes more sense to buy a Mac Studio (or a custom PC, AIO Windows PC and regular tower are also not selling well on the other side) and the monitors you want.
The product doesn't need to be for "most people". The product line needs to spread out for strategic capture of marketshare. The Big Three are Performance, Portability, and Size/Space. For the user in the quadrant that doesn't value portability, the iMac is king by reducing all cords and cables down to a single power cord and also saving desk space. Sometimes what people want and buy is only because that's the only choices they have. Sometimes "build it and they will come" applies. Sure, a fleshed out iMac product line might only be preventing 2% or 3% of marketshare from going Windows, but that's an important % of "once you go Mac you never go back" that you're losing, going into future years and decades, who are now buying Dell and other all-in-ones at Costco.
I do not understand how Apple plans to transfer 27” iMac users to 24”. It is absolutely impossible. I do not change my 27” iMac to 24”. I decided to buy iMac Pro and upgrade it to the high configuration once my 2015 27” iMac will dead. Also, after that I will rebuild my old iMac into the monitor. I prefer Windows laptops and pc, however, even for me iMac 27” is an absolutely great machine.
iMac was not supposed to appeal to the high end user. It was to appeal to the layman. Most people would get confused thinking the monitor is the computer, so why not have a novelty where you can run the glossiest OS on the planet with the most customer oriented (back then) design language while having it all be one unit with minimal setup? The novelty of all-in-one desktop computers has really fell by the wayside and there really isn't a practical reason to have one other than saving desk space.k So at this point, is it really worth trying to carve out space in the market for what is essentially a desk space saving novelty?
Performance, Portability, and Space/Size are the Big Trio and holy grail for computers. The iMac hits one of those quadrants nicely. Sales are low because they didn't even try, or they just messed up by going 24" as a kinda average between 21 and 27.
I was an old school iMac user, Bondi Blue with a DVD player. Got me through college (graduated the year UA-cam launched). For my money, the Mac mini was the next logical step in the lineup. All-in-ones have their place, but I like having options, especially with displays. That's more important to me than any sort of nostalgia.
Same here. An SE, a G4, a g3 ibook(white), I use an iMac running El Capitain(I am using right now), and have a g5 running Tiger. An iPad mini 2 as well.
What I do like about the new 24inch iMac is the color. Heck, I would love to have ALL PRO models of all their devices to have more color. Gray, Midnight, and Black has become the new beige.
Currently using an M1 Mac Mini (16GB RAM/256 GB of storage w/ a hub that has a 2TB SSD) along with a 32 inch 1440p primary and 24 inch 1080p secondary monitor and honestly it's a great setup, handles my music production workflow in Logic Pro 11 with ease. I don't see a need to upgrade for a number of years and wouldn't plan on going back to an all-in-one if/when I do, the flexibility of the mini is great
Congrats on you for figuring out what the USB ports are for. So many chumps in the comments think you *have* to buy an $800 SSD upgrade to fit your entire life on the built-in storage.
@jevvhobruv9266 I had a 4k monitor that unfortunately broke 😭 I used to downscale 4k to 1440p just to make things bigger on the screen so it wasn’t a drastic adjustment though
Minor nitpick the "bloatware" was Performa lineup specific, the other models during that period did not suffer from it. Stephen Hackett over at 512pixels just did a blog series on the performa lineup. I went from a 27" iMac to originally a 13" M1 Air with a 38" Ultrawide, this spring I sold the UW and got a Studio Display
I still run an 'iLamp' - It's my favourite Mac, even at over 22 years old. Now if someone could design a swap out board to give it an M4 CPU, I'd still use it for another 20 years. *Apple: How about revisiting the design and giving us a new version of that iconic Mac?*
I’m still using a 27” 5K iMac, but I’m planning to upgrade soon, to either a mac mini or a MacBook pro soon, and use one of those display adapters to turn it into an external display.
Hey Otto ... you said: "use one of those display adapters to turn it into an external display." in your comment. Tell me more - I have a late 2015 27" 5K iMac that WILL die someday, and I'd love to convert it into a 5K monitor when the rest goes ... can you give me any information or a link to these "adaptors" you reference? Thanks! Bill
@@williamgates2560 Yeah! I haven’t done it before, but one of Luke’s older videos goes in depth on how you do it. It’s the same process as in the video he made about turning the G4 iMac into apple silicon. I’ll pull up the video in a sec.
@@Warp2090 Ah, so you are saying I should spend 10 dollars less on a windows computer that for one, has less power for video editing, and two, uses 10x the power costing way more to run over time, and three, breaks and gets a 20 viruses after one or two years of use, and four, is so loud that it sounds like it may explode any second, and five, overheats itself so much that it crashes every time I try to render something? Nah, I’d rather spend my money on something that lasts and is worth my hard earned money.
I could see the point if it were a 32” iMac. Imagine the new iPad display tech in an m4 ultra iMac. Would be one of the best, if not the best display in the world
Yeah, the premise of this video is weird. Outside of gaming and corporate environments, desktop computers are mostly dead. Displays are better than ever and dirt cheap, so why limit yourself by buying an iMac when you can buy a MacBook which does everything an iMac does *and* is portable? And if you need a desktop computer, the Mac Mini costs a half as much as does an iMac and allows you to use the high quality displays you already own.
Apple will never give you what You want and if they do they will give you the bare minimum at a high starting price then nickel and dime you for RAM and storage. Fuck Apple and this come from an Apple user. Katy you are correct and thank you for pointing it out.
I am still running my 2017 27" iMac (48gb Ram, 1TB SSD). It handles all of my office tasks and I don't notice the slower speed as it is running most of the time. However, I also have a 14" Macbook Pro that I use as my daily driver and most of the tasks on the iMac are now being handled there. It is just so hard to think about getting rid of the display, but I have been looking at replacing it with a new Mac Mini.
Saddest thing to admit with the iMac nowadays is that I feel there are specific markets where the iMac makes more sense. For years, it was the home computer for many consumers, now I see them in retailers and gift shops to run kiosks. With how slim and compact the iMacs have become, running retailers is a perfect locale. And the 24 in. is a decent balance between screen real estate and size.
The moment the M1 Max Mac Studio came out, I was looking to sell my 2019 27" iMac. I waited for the M1 Max Mac Studio to hit the refurb page, and bought an upgraded Studio for a good $300 price break, and bought the LG 5K Ultrafine display for $1,000. $3,100 spent for a silent M1 Max Mac Studio + 27" Ultrafine display (essentially a more serviceable iMac if needed - and it hasn't needed service over the last 3 years). It's been rock solid stable - no pinwheels delay. My 27" 5K iMac? Pinwheeled me to hell all the time. The Mac Studio fits right under my 27" display, so it takes up no more room than an iMac. It's easily the best the Mac workstation I've ever used for Graphic Design and Photography.
Used to have the 2018 imac (intel), but became sluggish. Went with the mac mini M2 with a 44.5" 5k 170hz ultrawide monitor monitor. Very happy with setup.
I upgraded from the very last MacPro cheese grater before the Trashcan came out, like by a couple of months. The only original thing in there that i haven’t replaced is the graphics card. I installed 6 internal hard drives, the startup is a SSD, maxed the RAM as much as I could. Got a 21” Enzo monitor as well. I still love this machine and set up. At the moment she’s not being used as I purchased the M1 Mac Mini back in 2020 as well as the M1 MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. My Mini took a lot of time getting used to because I’m used to having everything in one case, not needing to purchase docking ports with wires all over the back of my desk. Yes it’s organized, but the point being that while it’s faster than my MacPro, I miss using the ole lady.
Ack! There's no way you called ClarisWorks "bloatware". Maybe you're too young to remember, but ClarisWorks (and AppleWorks before it) was the most amazing office product out there for the Mac. It didn't have all the bells and whistles of Microsoft Office or Wordperfect Office, but it was small, nimble and took care of all my word processing, drawing, presentation and database needs with ease. I still miss it today.
I think all this demo software coming with the system was a great move for the time these systems were around. You didn't have the internet, so the only way to try out software was obtaining these demo disks or just buying it. The software is what makes the system actually useful, so if you want people to buy your systems you need to give them a taste of what it could do. Computers weren't ubiquitous like they are now, so people were genuinely unaware of how useful they could be.
@@stevenvallarsa1765 it was AppleWorks originally for Apple II gs. Then it became Clarisworks and later, Apple absorbed Claris and renamed it back to AppleWorks, which became obsolete in 2007 and replaced by iWork suite. iWork started from Keynote, which is a software originally coming from NextStep and used by Steve all the time for his presentations. iWork was extending this with Pages and Numbers.
I’ve actually been filling our Marketing department with M1 iMacs for years now, just hooking up a secondary monitor for them. This is a huge upgrade from their old intel iMacs they had been using. They do basic email and photoshop work, and a bit of video editing, tons of Adobe products. They all still love them, and my IT department loves deploying them since it’s a single unit and pretty cheap.
Ummm... I think calling a mid-90s software bundle "bloatware" is very unfair. You had the same thing in DOS/Windows land. These computers were marketed to households for whom it would be the first computer, who had no pre-existing software library. These households were spending a huge amount of money on this computer (adjusted for inflation, your typical Performa bundle is $5K in today's money). And 'serious' software cost big money - a non-upgrade copy of MS Word was like $395USD in 1994. And, not only that, but there was no Internet, there was barely any AOL to connect to with your 14.4 modem, so if you wanted software, you got in your car, drove down to the computer store, and hoped they had what you wanted in stock. (One of the ways in which it was easier to be a DOS/Windows person - there was more DOS/Windows software in stock.) Or, if you were in the U.S. (this was hopeless for us Canadians because we didn't have domestic glossy computer magazines), you picked up the newest issue of your favourite computer magazine, flipped to the back of the magazine where all the mail order vendors' ads were, picked up your phone, called their 1-800 number, and ordered the software to be mailed to you. (But wait... these were first time computer buyers, they didn't have a favourite computer magazine yet) So, how was it bad to give first time computer buyers a "works" productivity software package (ClarisWorks on Mac, MS Works on Windows), a CD-ROM encyclopedia for the kids, maybe a money management program (Quicken or MS Money) and a few other things that would let actually let families use their expensive new purchase? Do you really expect families buying their first home computer so the kids can use a CD-ROM encyclopedia (rather than driving to the public library, which is how you did school projects in 1994) and type up a 2-page school assignment to drive back to the store, ask the sales dude what software they need, and drop a couple hundred more dollars on software for those basic needs? It's worth noting - if you got a 'business' Mac from the dealer stream, i.e. a Quadra or Power Mac, you didn't get any bundled software, just the OS. They expected those buyers to buy their copy of Photoshop or QuarkXPress from the dealer along with the computer.
"In the meantime we're all just going to have to band together in sadness and wistfulness at what we used to have but no longer do." LOL The older you get, the more you'll do that. I'm 43, got into computers in the early to mid 80s, and the longing grows more and more each day.
I’ve been waiting for the bigger one the whole time. In the meantime, I have a Mac mini hooked up to a 43” 8k Sony tv that is used as my monitor and costs a lot less than the studio display.
I think the larger iMac would be a money maker for Apple let me explain: it already costs them xyz to make the 24” (technically 23.5”) … if they shipped a larger panel even the 27” panel they could charge more while still only costing approximately the same xyz to manufacture as the 24” - pure profit I love my 24” iMac but having used the 27” for so many years I wish there was a larger screen option iMac Again - they could charge more money for all of the same components as the 24” .. the price difference between a 24” (23.5”) screen panel and a 27” or 30” panel is not that great No one needs new tech we’d be happy with the current tech in a larger screen size .. even if that was 27” .. and Apple would be charging way more money for essentially the same exact cost to manufacture
I would kill for an iMac Pro with apple silicon. I loved the M3 iMac so much I was almost tempted to switch over to it but it's not quite enough for everything I do as a creator! I also think the chin design is iconic so happy for them to keep that haha
I’m still hanging on to my late 2019 27” iMac, but at this point I don’t think my next Mac will be an all-in-one. Probably go third party display, but it would be awesome if there was a kit to reuse my iMac’s 5K, like the one you showed for earlier iMacs.
My old 27" iMac got a new SSD HD, maxed out RAM and is running with Linux Mint. This old computer continues to "Rock On" and does everything I need it to do and looks good doing it! Keeping e-waste at bay!!
My 2009 27“ iMac is still used by my girlfriend for administrating her business. The screen still looks very good and seeing it standing on the desk alone is worth having it there. Plus, target display mode still works with M-Series MacBooks, despite Apple saying it does not.
@@nd4spdviperI think the 2009 was before Thunderbolt. I use the Apple Thunderbolt adapter for my 2013 Thunderbolt Display, but I think the 2009 was dvi right? Probably a whole different lineup of adapters into HDMI would be the easiest?
@@nd4spdviper the cable to achieve target display mode is a „USB C to Mini DisplayPort Mini DP Cable 4K @ 60Hz Thunderbolt 3 Male to Mini DP Male Converter Unidirectional Cable“ if you meant this.
As a long-time iMac owner, the main problem I have with an all-in-one is that you must update both your computer and your display at the same time. Going from the iMac to a Mac Studio with Studio Display, I basically got the same display with a new computer. If only I could've used my old iMac as a display for my Mac Studio, I could've saved a few bucks.
Could he say AI any more times? Guess that's the new sales point now. Remember when it was 5G, 5G, 5G, just been replaced with AI, AI, AI for every other word.
I loved the 27" iMacs and if they made newer ones if definitely buy one. I switched from my 2017 27" iMac to a M1 Pro Macbook with a second 32" monitor, which I like, but the 27" just were something else. Great video as always!
My opinion is that they shouldn't bother making a 27" iMac unless it's the same size as either the Studio Display or Pro Display XDR, or the successors to those displays (there was a rumor that the next Pro Display XDR would be 36 inches and 7K resolution). It has to be a seamless design when you put it next to a Studio or Pro Display, and the previous 27" iMac was never that (it's not like they had a display when they were selling 27" iMacs in the better part of the 2010s anyway). Unless they manage to do that, it's not going to have an appeal for me considering the negative that the computer is also permanently fixed to the display. If they CAN do that though and we get a 27 to 32" iMac (or even bigger, who knows) that's the same size and thickness as their displays but it also has an MX Pro or Max chip inside, ngl that would be pretty cool.
2:40 -- I assure you all this was not bloatware and those user guides were actually teaching tools featuring a glossary for computer terms. You have to understand the internet was still relatively new and prior to having the net these CD's did come in handy. And to download good shareware took for freaking ever provided no one picked up the phone to make a call. 🤦🏻♂ And mind your tongue about Claris Works kiddo.
I still have a couple G3 iMacs. I still have the first 24" iMac (white body) from 2006. And of course when the 27" came out in 2009, I bought that too. It was my daily driver machine for about 6 years with a secondary monitor hooked up to it (thank you mini-DVI adapter!) I even had it setup to dual boot to run Windows 7 when needed. I still have it, but have not turned it on for at least 8-9 years now. Won't get rid of it, nor the other iMac I have. Too many awesome memories.
Yeah, and when the logo on the lid of the MacBooks glowed. But times change. They went to this "new" square-sided design which just reminds me of my old iPhone 4s, quaintly old-fashioned.
iMacs are a pain in the ass to fix. You see people bringing their gigantic boxes to the Apple Store like a dork. The separation into screen + station was needed.
Admittedly it's not the coolest photoshoot ever to be seen carrying one, but that's hardly a good enough point to discontinue it. If you're super self-conscious, wear a hat and a covid mask and show up right when the doors open.
The best value for me is just a MacBook Pro (or an Air) with an external USB-C dock and whatever monitors you want. That's what I use. My primary setup is a 14" MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro chip, a Lenovo USB-C dock and my old PC monitors from my old tower. I can replace any component of this setup I like and have it all work, if I get new monitors, I just need to make sure they're DisplayPort or HDMI compatible, and the laptop itself just needs plain USB-C and the ability to use DisplayLink drivers, in fact I swap out my MacBook for my work-issued ThinkPad if I ever need to work from home and it works without a fuss. Is it as clean as an iMac? No. But for what I do it's a great setup and works very well for my needs.
This is the exact problem with Apple, and why I switched back to PC. Apple offers so few hardware options to begin with, that when they make design changes, you are often stranded because the newer model you wanted to upgrade to has been discontinued. Thus, 27" iMac customers now don't have the option to upgrade to a more powerful 27" model. They are forced to buy a horrendously expensive Mac Studio PLUS buy a separate 27" monitor. Apple customers never know what hardware options are going to be available down the road when they need to upgrade. It's always a crap shoot, with a high likelihood of not being able to upgrade to the same model.
My entry to the Mac world was a 2011 27” iMac. It was great, but it was old (in 2020). I bought a Mac Studio and an MBP 13” M1. Also scored a cheap 2019 i9 with the Vega graphics card, and still use it for casual web browsing, and the occasional work in Lightroom or Photoshop (it’s great!). Initially I was holding off replacing the 2011, awaiting an M-chip 27” iMac, and I’m very glad I didn’t wait longer than I did! I’m not sure they will ever release a 27” iMac again.
The only thing that would make me switch back to Apple from PC would be a 32" iMac with an M4 ultra chip at a reasonable price. But that would never happen. Apple doesn't do "reasonable prices" anymore.
@@squatch545 Well, 32" and "Ultra" are not reasonable demands for a cheap product with very low economy of scale. Just being honest. Out of curiosity though, what's your reasonable price point for such a beast of a machine? And why not happy with a 30" M4 Max?
Another great, insightful video, Luke. I'm a freelance graphic designer/video editor running 2 x iMacs of various vintages. They're both at the end of their useful life for consistently running Premiere/After Effects with 4K/6K footage, so I really need to upgrade. I've watched various 'Mac rumours' UA-camrs who dispel the same old nonsense, guessing about what/when Apple are going to release (how they get so many subscribers for churning out the same old 'ifs and buts' rubbish is beyond me) but, from my business point of view, do I want to spend a small fortune on something that can't be upgraded or fixed? I've been using Macs since the early 90's and they're great to use and, unlike Windows machines, don't grind to a slowdown after a couple of years use. However, you're still looking at replacing/recovering the hard drives after 4-5 years hard usage - both my iMacs have replacement SSD drives (bigger and cheaper than the OEM Apple equipment). The questions are: do I want to spend a lot of money on something that will die in 5 years time and is irrepairable? Do I wait for the M4 chip to arrive with the new Mac Studio....and then buy a bloody expensive screen to match, that will die in 5 years time and is irrepairable? Or, do I wait for the 30-32" iMac, which would be perfect, that may or may not appear before my iMacs implode......that will die in 5 years time and is irrepairable. Running a business shouldn't have to be dictated by these decisions when using such great gear (and Apple really do make great gear).... but it's made by a company that's too self-important and always screwing the last buck/quid out of their loyal fanbase. What with Apple AND Adobe - I'm seething and at the end of my tether. Apple won't give us the 32" M4 Ultra iMac because we want it (just like Adobe won't relinquish the subscription model) - they dictate to us what we want and can, very cynically, make much more money out of us. Maybe I was too harsh on Windows......I'm seriously considering the switch.....
They are just following the market, people don't want desktops anymore, their laptops are their biggest seller after the phones. People want mobile devices and that's what apple is giving them.
You should put the word "most" in front of "people". But it's important to get almost everybody in your market capture or you slowly start losing 1% or 2% market capture year on year.
Yes I remember, I also remember they were not installed. Installation was a choice. It’s bloatware when it’s installed. I had a 660av prototype then later a 8500 with a Pentium P90 daughterboard. 2 monitors memory maxed on both. Still have it and still working.
Sorry, with 8 Gigs of forever RAM and 250 Gigs of forever storage, the price is now TWO kidneys! If you want amounts of RAM and storage that are actually USABLE, that will be two additional kidneys!!!
@@davidkachelthe new apple standard for ram is rumoured to be atleast 16 gb of ram for the base model of the new Mac’s so you would be wrong if the rumour is true
10:46 my first iMac was a 2010 27" - I then upgraded to a Late 2015 5K which died last year (2023) in the summer. I then finally switched to a M2 Pro Mac Mini and two 1440p external displays, I'm still planning to get a 27" 4k monitor as a third display but it's not super urgent. I also gave in and after years of using Bootcamp on my iMacs I decided to build a dedicated Windows 11 gaming PC. Quite the experience after almost 1 1/2 decades abstinence of non Apple PCs :D
I've been fortunate in that I've worked on Macs since 1985. Back in 1997, when the first iMac came out, I bought it and enjoyed using it. After that one , I bought two more. Then I decided to get a MacBook Pro, and have bought two others since then. Today, I'm starting to think about replacing my current MBP with a newer one, but I am considering getting a larger monitor to go with it. I don't think I'll ever go back to a desktop computer because you can't easily move it around your place or take it with you. I use my MBP for so many things including working on photos in Photoshop, doing research, and streaming videos.
My first home Mac was a Performa 400 but I did get the Bondi Blue iMac the day it was released and have had this iMac, the lampshade iMac, and a variety of other Intel iMacs. I'm retired so buying a comparable M-series iMac to my fully blown 2019 iMac is outside my budget. Maybe I'll get an M4 mini with a 4k monitor although I'd love a better monitor but everything is just too expensive.
I had a 27" but was at work. I really liked it, enough space for everything i needed really, i barely used the second screen. I have now a Mini with 24", again work provided. I think in the hybrid world, it makes sense to have a semi-integrated solution: rather than an iMac with all the guts behind the screen, stuff in the base like MS did with theirs... but detachable, so you could take the base to the office (or home) and attach it to another display.
There's a distinction. The "PC World" has no vertical integration all the way up and down the chain. With Apple it's important to know if you're getting something whose specs are optimized for the vertical integration.
@@Äpple-pie-5k Yes Apple has some tight integration for some things, but a display? It would be like if Netflix required you bought a Netflix TV. Or ESPN expects you to have a ESPN TV. We have industry standards of DisplayPort, HDMI for a reason.
1. The iMac G3 didn’t save Apple financially, only in morale. Things didn’t turn around until iPod. 2. The 5K iMac always seemed like a temporary fix to offer 27-inch and retina at the same time, when Thunderbolt couldn’t do it. 3. Personally I’m so happy with the Mac Studio (and I see it everywhere on UA-camrs’ desks), because while iMac was the only way to do 5K, it meant upgrading the screen every time you wanted a CPU upgrade. Gah! 4. iMac G4, Greatest Of All Time? Absolutely. Except for retina, that screen really holds up (no pun intended).
I am so glad that you saw my comment on the iPhone 16 video about how apple just abandoned the iMac and never said anything about it and that now you made a video about this issue ❤
7:10 Yep, this is the reason. When the computer with the lowest profit margins is only barely outselling the Mac Pro, of all things, it’s easy to see why Apple is no longer interested in expanding the line. (Though, I’m curious as to how old this graphic is, as I’m pretty sure these numbers came from a few years ago while the Intel Mac Pro was still being offered.) To answer your question, my M1 Max Mac Studio is still the perfect desktop solution for my needs. Lots of power and portable enough when I need to drive multiple displays for live performances of mine. It’s sad to see the higher-end iMacs go, but them’s the breaks when the laptops are now full-fledged desktop replacements in their own right.
2017, 5k iMac owner. I changed the CPU to a 3.6GHz i7 (65 watts). 32 GB RAM, replaced the storage with NVMe 1TB. OCLP and run the latest OS Beta. I'll purchased the Mac mini baseline, waiting for the 9th, if a newer mini that is rumoured to be released, that will be the replacement.
In my collection there is an iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2020) with 16gb of Vram, and 128gb of Ram, and 1 TB of Hard drive with an external 8tb NVME Hub, that my assistant editor uses. We LOVE this machine, and hope Apple can appreciate the users who still need this kind of set up? You asked us, what we are doing right now if we have one? Well, thats simple, we STILL use it, and pray that Apple renovates it again soooon. It is SOOOOO usable!!!
I stopped upgrading my desktop as often a couple years ago and bit the bullet: Mac mini M2 and Studio Display. Expensive, yes, but it's the ultimate setup for me and love using it every day.
Am I the only one wondering what’s more interesting: the fact that a Apple UA-camr accepts a sponsorship from a Android company or the fact that such a company would even comes up with the idea to offer a sponsorship to a known Apple lover. 😄 Still great content.
As someone who used a 27” iMac professionally for well over a decade, I’ve ended up switching to a high end Mac Studio and a 28” 4K display running in scaled mode. In most scenarios, unless you’re actively looking for it, a 4K display scaled to 5K and a native 5K display look pretty similar. You can tell a 5K display is crisper, but it’s not as big a jump as you may think and both displays class as retina (I.e. can’t see individual pixels at a normal viewing distance). The real kicker is the display is way cheaper than a Studio Display (like less than a 3rd of the price these days) and has many features the Studio Display doesn’t have (like high refresh rate). I have the flexibility to swap it (or one of my other monitors) or the computer any time. Meanwhile, my old slow iMac with its perfectly usable display is sat largely unused in my office (unless I need an Intel Mac for something). As for the Mac Studio itself, initially I thought I’d miss the all-in-one nature of an iMac, but honestly the additional flexibility, the additional ports, and the more compact package have me sold. If Apple did release a new 27” or 30” iMac now I think I’d stick with the Studio as it’s a far better overall package
Yeah but it's 4K with lower PPI and doesn't hit the sweet spot in the scaling like a new 27" iMac would. Also that 16/9 aspect ratio. Don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat with my LG 4K displays. I'm just saying... we need a nice 27" or 30" iMac.
I remember seeing the first blue iMac in a computer magazine before it was released, and my jaw dropped. I couldn't wrap my mind around how different it was than every other computer. I still use a 2008 stock iMac to run Logic Pro, and works far better than any computer that old should.
Thank you for bringing this up. Apple seems allergic to imacs with matching second display. The studio display costs more because its usable lifespan is longer than any imac would be. It’s not cost-based pricing, but price discriminant demand based pricing they use. I still make some use of my two thunderbolt displays, albeit as guest systems in the office. They function fine for people not aware of dpi. The computers I used them with are all able to be turned on, but don’t receive updates and only really useful as linux machines. If I had an Apple engineer hostage for long enough to give them my two cents, I wouldn’t just ask for matching studio display/imacs for my OCD. Rather, also that they would size their larger and smaller choices such that the smaller one in portrait would be as tall as the larger in landscape. Moreover, 2:1 aspect ratios such that two of the smaller would be the height of one of the larger for three monitor setups where two smaller and one larger are combined. MacOS has terrible window management, such that using a constellation of monitors can help manage the chaos. But it will never happen because there just aren’t enough people who care /are OCD enough out there. If the new mac mini is as small as they say, just updating studio displays could be enough with a clean mount for the mini on the back, vesa would work well enough. Wish the studio display had some kind of apple tv functionality built in for when no mac is plugged in. Seems like it would be easy enough to implement with the power they have in there.
I used to have a 27” iMac Pro with a second monitor that I used for photo and video editing. I got tired of waiting and replaced it with a Mac Studio and two 27” LG monitors. It works fantastic.
What have the 27" imac owners done? Not buy a new Mac, not buy an iPhone, not buy an iPad, not buy an iWatch, not buy a Macbook.Instead, I miss Steve Jobs who cared about Apple's approach to serving customers.
We had 5 27" iMacs. 3 of them switched to a mini Linux box mounted to the back of 40" displays, one switched to a Linux tower with an Nvidia chip for AI dev and the final one became a massively upgraded i7 Mac Mini.... So, no new Macs at all. The laptops have also similarly switched, mostly to Framework hardware.
My all-time favorite computers: 27" iMac and a 2015 MacBook Pro. I now have an M1 MacBook Air and it is simply adequate. I'm still using the 27" iMac and it still works perfectly. I hope to keep it going for another few years.
never had a imac but id see people opting for a macbook plus an external display (or two). Can upgrade your macbook when you need to and keep the displays or vice versa. Seems like makes the most sense instead of having an all in one that’s stuck forever on the same specs from the day you’ve ordered. :/
I had a Performa when I started out and most wasn't trial software. What you're seeing is the OS7 CD and Claris Works was a full on program. Plus You try and buy a Mac from a shop in the 1990's and you'd be buying a PC with Window's. Mac's were sold in catalogues back then. What had to go was the Macintosh Clones.
I rocked a 2011 27" iMac Pro forever (added ssd & maxed out the ram). This year I replaced it with a Mac Mini M2, 4k LG monitor, Logi MX keyboard, MX mouse, generic monitor arm, Logi Z407 sound. I spent just over a $1000. My set up works perfect for me.
The last Apple display I purchased was in 2005 to go with the PM Quad G5. It's still in use as a 2nd display with my Mac Studio. You are right to point out these holes and wonder why. As to the 6100/7100/8100, I was your age when that was current and it made sense. It was all of the Performas numbering that came in 1995 where a 6200/75 was actually worse than a 6100/60 when it started getting really messy and I had a very hard time advising people.
For my very FIRST Mac computer (iPhone user since iPhone 4) I chose the 2019 27" iMac. At $2,400 it was the most expensive computer I had ever bought. I have not been unhappy with this purchase for one second. I would do it again in one second. I was SOOOO looking forward to a 30" iMac designed like the M1-M3 iMacs, but that didn't happen. I would/will happily stay with my intel iMac from 2019, but the new AI in the next slated release of MacOS is saying that Apple Silicon is REQUIRED to run those features so an upgrade of my iMac is looking likely. I am hopeful we'll get another upgrade to maybe M4 with 512gb and 16gb's storage and ram respectively, but don't know. Either way for ME, my foray in the Apple ecosystem has been both seamless and flawless, and I would be happy to stay with the 2019 dinosaur if need be.
I suspect part of the reason the iMac is on the backburner: Generational shifts, younger people prefer laptops because we simply don't have an office and desk to dedicate to a home computer. We tend to want extra monitors, for those who care enough to run them, so in the end the iMac is an expensive product only really selling to the older folks....and they're just fine using their 2014's until the end of time.
I had a 21.5” 2013 iMac for years. I finally upgraded to the first M1 Mac mini. Now it sits on my work desk (with the same widescreen of my MacBook Pro). I barely use it because I also have an MacBook Air. I like the compact nature of it sitting at the same desk (iMac could not do that). But god I hate the cable management mess!
I’m using a base M2 Mac Mini with a 24” Apple LED Cinema Display from 2008!!! I covered it in a recent vid but it’s the iMac design with rear USB ports & a built-in iSight camera and mic… which don’t get nearly enough mention when talking about alternative monitors for macOS
I’m rocking an m2 Mac mini with the Apple Thunderbolt Display I’ve been using for the best part of a decade now. Still looks great today and matches in with the Mac mini perfectly. I’ll update to a studio display eventually but not in any rush.
Same. The M2 Pro Mini plays the Thunderbolt basically is an iMac if you hide the cables. Although I would probably get a Studio computer for the extra Ram and keep this display for a while. I don’t think I could justify upgrading the display and not the computer when it would cost around the same, especially since these monitors are still a great choice.
Even now, the 2019 iMac is an insanely usable computer. I still sell them like hot cakes. 5K screen, upgradeable, reliable, can run Windows. Now the only upgrade you'll be doing with Apple products is upgrading your credit limit to afford a new one when the old one runs out of storage or is no longer "officially supported". Great video as always man.
@@JOBOplayz Louis Rossman is but I agree with what Your Mom Joke from 2012 is saying here
@@SalemTechsperts I agree
You are the greatest technician that’s ever lived
Great comments as always like ur moms whatsapp
but Intell is gradually dying for Mac, it is no longer supported for WIFI 7 and soon will stop support new macOS (at least officially)
and each time going inside is a nightmare, common -why every Apple product have to be opened from the screen ?
Some of that isn't trial software on the CDs from 1995, some of them are encyclopedias, word processors and other things. Most people only had a 14.4 or 28.8K modem so downloading complete programs over the internet wasn't really and option plus many people got the Proforma to get online for the first time. Multimedia had pretty much a different meaning before broadband.
Seconded. I can appreciate that many people wouldn't have liked the Apple of that era, but that part of the video reeked of someone who just wasn't there to purchase a pre-built computer in the nineties. It wasn't just Apple. PCs came with books and CDs, too. The rest of the video was solid, though.
My family got a Performa 5200 in the mid 90s and it included full versions of stuff like Myst, ConcertWare, ClarisWorks, and more. Most of the “bloatware” there is similar to the sorts of apps a Mac ships with today, the only difference is Apple writes them. It’s also worth noting that CDs for game, app, and multimedia were still kinda new in the mid 90s so it made sense to ship CDs with the app.
It’s also worth noting that Apple continued to ship lots of 3rd Party software with Macs well into the 00s, it’s just they were pre-installed
Came here to say this too, my family had this same bundle and it was basically a whole library of full-fledged of software and games. It was not some crummy book of trial software!
Even the much later models of the iMac had a DVD of software you could get for it with a suite of software. Downloading is de rigeur these days, but it's a fairly recent thing to have reliable, high-speed internet.
Right, about 80% of the software that shipped on the Performa was the full version.
Those aren’t CDs of trial software. Most of those are CD ROMs with full versions…
The internet back in the 90s wasn’t like it is today for easily downloading stuff in the performa days… those “bloatware” disks and the magazine etc were all great stuff to ship with a computer in the 90s.
My first computer was a Performa and seeing that cd-rom jacket just hit me in the nostalgia so hard.
The MacAddict discs were always super fun
I just wrote a similar comment, the content creator guy is in his mid 20s and really has no clue about what it was like back in the 80s/90s, we wanted these disks and we wanted the magazine and even a subscription to it every month.
Luke has never experienced the 90s pain of downloading even trial software over a dial up connection. And that was assuming it was available online. Heaven forbid your almost finished with your download and your sister picks up the phone to spend an hour talking with her boyfriend. Wait it out and start again... Ahh memories.
@@brandonspies Oh and many people did not even have internet even until the mid-late 90s, so for most people you wanted software you would head to the local mom and pop computer shop and they would have a wall of floppy disks for demo software and boxes for more fancy programs.
IMO, It isn’t a coincidence that Laptops (MacBooks) and separate desktop tower PCs (Mac Mini, Mac Studio, and Mac Pro) are gobbling up the sales of the All-In-Ones like the iMac, even in the Windows PC World. All-in-ones just sit in such a weird middle ground nowadays, neither as portable as a laptop or handheld PC, nor as upgradable, customizable, or as modular as a desktop tower PC setup.
The iMac as a percentage of their sales has never been very large. I’m sure or I’m thinking that probably just came to a point where it’s like if you’re not selling that many really what’s the point I mean plus you can get that monitor for way less than 1599 now if you pair that with a laptop, especially an M1 I mean you can come pretty close to what you would pay for a fully maxed out iMac and have the convenience myself personally, I was able to get an M1 16 inch MacBook Pro with 64 gig of memory for 2299 new and the monitor for 1000 the Apple studio display if you take that configuration with a terabyte of storage on that MacBook Pro you would spend about the same amount of money if you were going to get an iMac and now you have the portability. it’s great to be nostalgic and stuff and all that I mean that there’s a lot of good things that aren’t around anymore, but in this case, I just don’t think that this is one of them
@@roguewavecreative While I think your statement about relative sales percentages for iMacs is true today and probably has been for a while, I suspect that in the decade immediately following introduction of the iMac it DID make up a significant percentage of Apple's Mac sales. But you're right--MacBooks, be they MBPs or MBAs--have gotten so good and so durable that most non-professional consumers don't see a reason to buy a computer that must, of necessity, be chained to a desk. So the market for all-in-ones has dwindled. Add super-powerful M4 iPads into the mix and there goes another portion of the consumer-level market. Times have changed.
But I DO miss that stick-your-tongue-out iMac, you know--the one with all the personality. I hope they WILL come out with a HomePod-iPad combo with a similar form factor that I can incorporate into my kitchen in place of the Echo Show that I use there now. Now THAT version of an all-in-one I would scarf up in a heartbeat.
@@mpetrides I am so impressed everyday by my m1 mbp max with 64gb and 1 tb which I got this amazing deal of 2299.00 new a yr ago from Adorama. I have a apple studio display but with that size (16”) and an ipad as a second screen you are at the 27” size combined with the mobility and that m1 screams. and now that I’m done blabbering about my own thing, you make a great point I think back then that that iMac was a huge seller, but it’s I think like you mentioned things have just changed and the ability of that laptop to basically be as fast if not faster than a desktop just doesn’t make the iMac such a appealing product. It really is more about nostalgia than anything. The biggest thing I’ve learned and I mean this is because of the pandemic. I started watching a lot of these tech review videos is that they review and talk about stuff as a pertains to them versus the overall market and I think that’s where it creates a lot of confusion.
like Apple cares about their devices being upgradable/serviceable...
LOL, they even fight against it
Show evidence they re gobling sales.
Apple also killed the iPod, which revolutionized music two decades ago.
Name 3 song ma that came out this year that are good 😊 20 years ago this was a silly question 😮
@@Elixyr1985 and 20 years ago someone would ask the same question, and 20 years before that. Going to guess 1985 is your birth year and if that's the case you were 19 in 1985. You'll find it's really common for people to think the best music is the music from the time they were 15-25, no matter when they were born.
Th iPhone killed the iPod ..... sheesh. Apple didn't get to be the largest company in the World by making careless marketing mistakes. If the iPod was still a hot-seller, Apple would offering multiple models/variants to service that market.
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If streaming was revolutionary for music in the last decade, apple wasn't the pioneer & isn't the leader. Neither in terms of market share (spotify) nor in terms of quality (tidal etc)
although iTunes was the inspiration which proved people are happy to pay a reasonable price for anything & also might just want to try songs, instead of buying full albums.
Steve Jobs: It Just Works
Tim Cook: It's Just Expensive
Cook invented the $999.99 monitor stand, which made me feel like he was laughing at us from Cloud City.
Or buy your mum an iPhone.
Also Steve Jobs: The first Macbook Air and that Pro with the defective GPU
Cheese graters under Jobs weren’t cheap either. Neither were the offerings of the 80s.
@@robl7532 I think, at the end, computers were the most expensive in the 90ties and 00s, because they got outdated so quickly.
As a person who lived through the 90s with Apple products, you gotta remember that the internet was not something found on all households. Having that “bloatware” in discs was important to give customers a taste of different softwares. Even if you did have internet, attempting to download large files over dialup was a multi-day affair. The translucent iMacs came at a time when high-speed internet was more abundant so it was a different era.
Virtually no one outside of some businesses had broadband internet in 1998. And the iMac did come with a bunch of pack-in software like Nanosaur, Quicken, encyclopedia etc. It was just in a more tidy disc pack. Bundled software like that came with them through the iMac G5 era IIRC.
All correct. Just want to add that in the late 90s when the first iMac was produced, high speed internet was more abundant but NOT ubiquitous. Many if not most people were still using dial-up internet at that time, and the iMac shipped with an internal 56K modem as standard. So, yes, all those CDs were a welcome treasure chest of software and games for a new iMac user. Oh.... and manuals were definitely not considered "bloat".
I am an older user (70+). While I do have an iPhone and and iPad, if I want to do 'serious' work I prefer using my 2017 21 inch iMac. It was an "upgrade" from a 2010(late 2009) iMac. I like the larger screen. For some reason, I find using a laptop/notebook/macbook cumbersome. I prefer using the separate keyboard which includes the integrated number pad. It's just easier for me.
Are you listening, Apple? Take a look at the demographics chart. Think about what boomers are going to want.
Did you go through a; 'Mid Life Crisis' at all? I am wondering because am just about Mid 40s and I am wondering if this happens to just about every one? Please & Thanks.
You could have a separate keyboard, mouse/trackpad and big screen while using a laptop or Mac mini. If you're clever enough to use modern computers, you would surely be able to plug in a few cables to connect third party gear to your macbook.
That is the double-edged sword of a company which controls both the hardware and software. You get integrated technology that works, and which works well with other products from the same company. But when you want something that company does not offer, no other company can offer it either, so you are stuck.
Exactly. This is the problem with Apple. Not enough hardware choices. So when they discontinue models, people are stranded and can't upgrade to a newer version.
@@squatch545 Are you listening Apple? Sure it's a few niche products getting 2% and 1% and so on. But the 5% or 6% share you're losing are "once you go Mac you never go back" users who are lost forever. A kind of compound interest you're missing out on for reaching critical mass market share.
But, Apple products have had plenty of 3rd parties come in to fill gaps.
@@keithyakouboff8755 Seriously? Back in the 1990s, Apple licensed out their OS to third party vendors, but that did not work out financially for Apple. But please tell me, if I want to buy an upgradable Macbook or iMac designed, manufactured, and sold by a company other than Apple, running Apple's official MacOS software, where can I do that? Right.
The 27" iMac Pro was the last greatest Consumer-affordable (to a point) made. I personally could not afford it at the time, but I coveted ever since it was announced.
I can fully agree I use min to this day and love it as much as I did when I bought is years ago
I mean new they were crazy money. I bought one for £5k and it barely out performed my Mac Pro 5,1 for real work so I took it back. But couple of years later I bought a second hand 10core for £2k and it seems like a great machine. The screen alone is insane. Makes any other choice impossible. I’ve tried Samsung m8 but it looks pretty trash compared to Apple 5k. So next purchase will have to involve a studio display or some kind of hot-rod fix up on an old iMac 5k to use the screen. ?
@@yeknommonkey Crazy money? Where did you buy it? The 27" iMac was between 2000 and 2500 Euro's. The machine you're talking about was that crazy Studio version
The Mac Pro 2019 was probably the last one as it was sold a bit longer than the 27" iMac Pro.
@@Cenobytez Not an iMac Pro which is what the OP was about. Not all 27" iMacs were iMac Pros.
I am a professional web developer and I used a 27 inch 2015 iMac for NINE YEARS. And when it got replaced, it could STILL do everything I needed, though the edges of the screen were starting to get pink. I really think that if Apple sold a 27 inch Mac, they'd sell a ton of them. I just don't get it. I'm now using a 16 inch 2024 MacBook Pro with a third party 27 inch 4K monitor. It's fast as hell, but the third party monitor is a downgrade. GREAT video as always.
I agree, but sort of hoping they come out with a 32"
@@RoadTripTravel add 3" to the original models. 24 and 30. Hits the sweetspot. 32 will be too niche, too expensive, and not sell well.
Same here, have ultrawide 5k2k and that thing, while maybe the best on the market, still prales in comparison to Apple's screen. Brightness of all PC monitors is far from level of ones Apple is using. Like 450 nits is max, typically more like 350 nits. Also, all these monitors are 4k at max, which is just 163 ppx for 27", if you get bigger one it's far less. Far from 210 ppx ideal for macOs.
To me it seems like there are only two types of PC monitors - ultrawides in regular res 1440p and high refresh rate for gamers, or poor ones made for office.
So called "pro" are overpriced and crappy as hell too.
I still have my 2015 5k, and I love it. I even got a second one for my second desk. My main is the Core i7, R9 M395X, 40gb RAM, 1tb SSD, and the other is the base model. But they are strikingly easy to upgrade and repair.
@@RoadTripTravel 32 would be great.
27” iMac lover here. It’s really disappointing that this product no longer exists within the Apple Silicon lineup.
I had to switch to a Mac Mini but that didn’t quite cut it for me, so I went with the 24” iMac. And that was great, but 24” is just small for me as a video editor so I ended up getting rid of it one year later.
So ultimately I did what Apple wants you to do; get the Studio Display and hook it up to either a Mac Studio, or (just like I did) to a MacBook Air / Pro.
Don’t get me wrong, I love my Studio Display + 15” M2 16/512GB MBA setup.
But would get rid of it in a heartbeat if a 27/30” iMac with apple silicon was to come out. Hell yeah.
Yeah, the Apple product line of the 90s had lots of problems, but including a manual the size of a novel was almost necessary in the 90s when lots of people literally didn’t know how to use a mouse. And that book of CDs consisted of a system restore disk and full versions of ClarisWorks, a multimedia encyclopedia and educational software, not “trial ware”. Acting like it’s a Norton antivirus trial, AOL and some shareware 🙄
Yeah the CD booklet was awesome. It took hours to download a 40 kilobyte HyperCard stack lol
A macbook air and a 4k Oled monitor is a great combo for me.
I find it gets too hot when playing high end resolution videos. Mac Book to.
4K on a Mac just sucks if you ever experienced the 5K display of the 27" iMac. You're just spoiled for life then.
@@Cenobytezi mean thats just macOS being finicky with industry standard resolutions.
That needs to be fixed if they don't plan on making a reasonable display under 1000$.
Yeah hard to beat for the price!
@@Cenobytez An Apple scaling issue makes it look much worse on any 4k display.
I bought the 27" 4GB quad core i5 model in 2010. Over the years I put 16GB of RAM in it and then the real game changer was adding SSD drive. Totally amazing... even into the 2020s... Had it until 2022 when the video card went... complete pain...
Now I have a Mac Mini M1 and a 43" smart monitor and to be honest I can't imagine buying a modern iMac even though that old iMac I had is among the best things I ever bought.
"smart monitor"?
@@shapelessed pretty much a small smart TV, has media controls and streaming built in.
@@shapelessed Google is your friend.
Samsung M80C and M7, for example.
Monitors and TVs are fundamentally different in how they are designed to represent text and colors. TVs use YCbCr while monitors typically use RGB values.
That, and their pixel arrangement, is why text looks so bad when displayed on a television vs a normal monitor.
Smart monitors add streaming services to... well, monitors so you can watch Netflix or whatever without the ridiculous requirements that come with UHD Netflix on PC.
They're really good for dorm rooms, etc.
There’s graphics card repair services out there. I send my 2010 27” iMac’s card to a guy on eBay who repaired it, and it’s been working fine for six years since. You can also stick some other newer graphics cards in there.
Still working on a 2019 iMac. The good thing is that without a successor, it still does not feel outdated.
I think most people just don't want a dedicated PC anymore. Most people are now using tablets or laptops. If you're a casual user, it makes way more sense to buy a MacBook Air or an iPad and use an external display if you want a bigger screen. If you need performance, you're gonna want a Mac Studio and probably multiple monitors. If you want something to use on an existing display, the Mac Mini is there. The market for an iMac is just so small, you need someone who doesn't need performance, want a big display, but don't want to buy a MacBook for some reasons (basically, you need someone who values aesthetic over anything else). Even an iMac Pro doesn't really make sense, the SoC will become obsolete for your work at one point and you can't use the screen for anything else, so you're gonna throw away a perfectly good panel, or the other way around, you'll want a bigger / better screen, but you're throwing away perfectly good hardware. It makes more sense to buy a Mac Studio (or a custom PC, AIO Windows PC and regular tower are also not selling well on the other side) and the monitors you want.
The product doesn't need to be for "most people". The product line needs to spread out for strategic capture of marketshare. The Big Three are Performance, Portability, and Size/Space. For the user in the quadrant that doesn't value portability, the iMac is king by reducing all cords and cables down to a single power cord and also saving desk space. Sometimes what people want and buy is only because that's the only choices they have. Sometimes "build it and they will come" applies. Sure, a fleshed out iMac product line might only be preventing 2% or 3% of marketshare from going Windows, but that's an important % of "once you go Mac you never go back" that you're losing, going into future years and decades, who are now buying Dell and other all-in-ones at Costco.
As an artist I want a computer with a high end graphics card that will get all the latest software updates as soon as they're available.
Most people doesnt want healthy food that why KFC COKE sell so good?
@@Äpple-pie-5kanyway they will go windows. Solidworks ,3D,Mechanical engineering no way to run on Mac.
I do not understand how Apple plans to transfer 27” iMac users to 24”. It is absolutely impossible. I do not change my 27” iMac to 24”. I decided to buy iMac Pro and upgrade it to the high configuration once my 2015 27” iMac will dead. Also, after that I will rebuild my old iMac into the monitor.
I prefer Windows laptops and pc, however, even for me iMac 27” is an absolutely great machine.
iMac was not supposed to appeal to the high end user. It was to appeal to the layman. Most people would get confused thinking the monitor is the computer, so why not have a novelty where you can run the glossiest OS on the planet with the most customer oriented (back then) design language while having it all be one unit with minimal setup? The novelty of all-in-one desktop computers has really fell by the wayside and there really isn't a practical reason to have one other than saving desk space.k
So at this point, is it really worth trying to carve out space in the market for what is essentially a desk space saving novelty?
imac Pro from 2017 Would like to disagree
Performance, Portability, and Space/Size are the Big Trio and holy grail for computers. The iMac hits one of those quadrants nicely. Sales are low because they didn't even try, or they just messed up by going 24" as a kinda average between 21 and 27.
@@B-PaceiMac Pro would like to disagree with disagreeing considering that was one of Apple’s biggest flops since the 90’s.
@@Fetidaf almost like they never learned anything from the trashcan.
By a GAMING speed runner.. L.o.L.
I was an old school iMac user, Bondi Blue with a DVD player. Got me through college (graduated the year UA-cam launched). For my money, the Mac mini was the next logical step in the lineup. All-in-ones have their place, but I like having options, especially with displays. That's more important to me than any sort of nostalgia.
Same here. An SE, a G4, a g3 ibook(white), I use an iMac running El Capitain(I am using right now), and have a g5 running Tiger. An iPad mini 2 as well.
8:35 The nice thing about having the monitor seperately is that it can outlast your current computer.
What I do like about the new 24inch iMac is the color. Heck, I would love to have ALL PRO models of all their devices to have more color. Gray, Midnight, and Black has become the new beige.
Currently using an M1 Mac Mini (16GB RAM/256 GB of storage w/ a hub that has a 2TB SSD) along with a 32 inch 1440p primary and 24 inch 1080p secondary monitor and honestly it's a great setup, handles my music production workflow in Logic Pro 11 with ease. I don't see a need to upgrade for a number of years and wouldn't plan on going back to an all-in-one if/when I do, the flexibility of the mini is great
pro iPhones get one (muted) colour every release. They should think about it for pro Macs. Just see what happens.
Congrats on you for figuring out what the USB ports are for. So many chumps in the comments think you *have* to buy an $800 SSD upgrade to fit your entire life on the built-in storage.
@jevvhobruv9266 I had a 4k monitor that unfortunately broke 😭 I used to downscale 4k to 1440p just to make things bigger on the screen so it wasn’t a drastic adjustment though
Minor nitpick the "bloatware" was Performa lineup specific, the other models during that period did not suffer from it. Stephen Hackett over at 512pixels just did a blog series on the performa lineup.
I went from a 27" iMac to originally a 13" M1 Air with a 38" Ultrawide, this spring I sold the UW and got a Studio Display
I just need a good multi platform 5k display
Wanna buy my 2019 27inch iMac 🖥️? 😂
You absolutely do not need that. No one on the planet needs that.
@@iancurrie8844 True
I still run an 'iLamp' - It's my favourite Mac, even at over 22 years old. Now if someone could design a swap out board to give it an M4 CPU, I'd still use it for another 20 years.
*Apple: How about revisiting the design and giving us a new version of that iconic Mac?*
I’m still using a 27” 5K iMac, but I’m planning to upgrade soon, to either a mac mini or a MacBook pro soon, and use one of those display adapters to turn it into an external display.
brilliant, and you can still use it with boot camp for gaming or an odd Windows app here or there.
Hey Otto ... you said: "use one of those display adapters to turn it into an external display." in your comment. Tell me more - I have a late 2015 27" 5K iMac that WILL die someday, and I'd love to convert it into a 5K monitor when the rest goes ... can you give me any information or a link to these "adaptors" you reference? Thanks! Bill
@@williamgates2560 Yeah! I haven’t done it before, but one of Luke’s older videos goes in depth on how you do it. It’s the same process as in the video he made about turning the G4 iMac into apple silicon. I’ll pull up the video in a sec.
If you get a new apple product then you need to spend your money better.
@@Warp2090 Ah, so you are saying I should spend 10 dollars less on a windows computer that for one, has less power for video editing, and two, uses 10x the power costing way more to run over time, and three, breaks and gets a 20 viruses after one or two years of use, and four, is so loud that it sounds like it may explode any second, and five, overheats itself so much that it crashes every time I try to render something? Nah, I’d rather spend my money on something that lasts and is worth my hard earned money.
I don't see a reason to buy imac when you have laptop or mac mini that you can hook up to a monitor of your liking.
I could see the point if it were a 32” iMac. Imagine the new iPad display tech in an m4 ultra iMac. Would be one of the best, if not the best display in the world
This is the correct answer
Imac is cheaper if you wanna to use MacBook as a desktop or Mac mini:
Yeah, the premise of this video is weird. Outside of gaming and corporate environments, desktop computers are mostly dead. Displays are better than ever and dirt cheap, so why limit yourself by buying an iMac when you can buy a MacBook which does everything an iMac does *and* is portable? And if you need a desktop computer, the Mac Mini costs a half as much as does an iMac and allows you to use the high quality displays you already own.
Apple will never give you what You want and if they do they will give you the bare minimum at a high starting price then nickel and dime you for RAM and storage. Fuck Apple and this come from an Apple user. Katy you are correct and thank you for pointing it out.
I am still running my 2017 27" iMac (48gb Ram, 1TB SSD). It handles all of my office tasks and I don't notice the slower speed as it is running most of the time. However, I also have a 14" Macbook Pro that I use as my daily driver and most of the tasks on the iMac are now being handled there. It is just so hard to think about getting rid of the display, but I have been looking at replacing it with a new Mac Mini.
Saddest thing to admit with the iMac nowadays is that I feel there are specific markets where the iMac makes more sense. For years, it was the home computer for many consumers, now I see them in retailers and gift shops to run kiosks. With how slim and compact the iMacs have become, running retailers is a perfect locale.
And the 24 in. is a decent balance between screen real estate and size.
My biggest apple dream nowadays is a 27” all black iMac. I’d die for it
Just because its all black makes one of the worst computers for its price right now worth dying over?
The moment the M1 Max Mac Studio came out, I was looking to sell my 2019 27" iMac. I waited for the M1 Max Mac Studio to hit the refurb page, and bought an upgraded Studio for a good $300 price break, and bought the LG 5K Ultrafine display for $1,000. $3,100 spent for a silent M1 Max Mac Studio + 27" Ultrafine display (essentially a more serviceable iMac if needed - and it hasn't needed service over the last 3 years). It's been rock solid stable - no pinwheels delay. My 27" 5K iMac? Pinwheeled me to hell all the time. The Mac Studio fits right under my 27" display, so it takes up no more room than an iMac. It's easily the best the Mac workstation I've ever used for Graphic Design and Photography.
Used to have the 2018 imac (intel), but became sluggish. Went with the mac mini M2 with a 44.5" 5k 170hz ultrawide monitor monitor. Very happy with setup.
I upgraded from the very last MacPro cheese grater before the Trashcan came out, like by a couple of months. The only original thing in there that i haven’t replaced is the graphics card. I installed 6 internal hard drives, the startup is a SSD, maxed the RAM as much as I could. Got a 21” Enzo monitor as well. I still love this machine and set up. At the moment she’s not being used as I purchased the M1 Mac Mini back in 2020 as well as the M1 MacBook Pro with the Touch Bar. My Mini took a lot of time getting used to because I’m used to having everything in one case, not needing to purchase docking ports with wires all over the back of my desk. Yes it’s organized, but the point being that while it’s faster than my MacPro, I miss using the ole lady.
Ack! There's no way you called ClarisWorks "bloatware". Maybe you're too young to remember, but ClarisWorks (and AppleWorks before it) was the most amazing office product out there for the Mac. It didn't have all the bells and whistles of Microsoft Office or Wordperfect Office, but it was small, nimble and took care of all my word processing, drawing, presentation and database needs with ease. I still miss it today.
My mom had an old I-MAC at one point and I used that software as well.
Appleworks came AFTER claris :)
@@ZhuJo99 I'm sure Apple spun off its software division as Claris… I'll have to check. Maybe I'm remembering things backwards.
I think all this demo software coming with the system was a great move for the time these systems were around. You didn't have the internet, so the only way to try out software was obtaining these demo disks or just buying it. The software is what makes the system actually useful, so if you want people to buy your systems you need to give them a taste of what it could do. Computers weren't ubiquitous like they are now, so people were genuinely unaware of how useful they could be.
@@stevenvallarsa1765 it was AppleWorks originally for Apple II gs. Then it became Clarisworks and later, Apple absorbed Claris and renamed it back to AppleWorks, which became obsolete in 2007 and replaced by iWork suite. iWork started from Keynote, which is a software originally coming from NextStep and used by Steve all the time for his presentations. iWork was extending this with Pages and Numbers.
I’ve actually been filling our Marketing department with M1 iMacs for years now, just hooking up a secondary monitor for them. This is a huge upgrade from their old intel iMacs they had been using. They do basic email and photoshop work, and a bit of video editing, tons of Adobe products. They all still love them, and my IT department loves deploying them since it’s a single unit and pretty cheap.
Ummm... I think calling a mid-90s software bundle "bloatware" is very unfair. You had the same thing in DOS/Windows land.
These computers were marketed to households for whom it would be the first computer, who had no pre-existing software library. These households were spending a huge amount of money on this computer (adjusted for inflation, your typical Performa bundle is $5K in today's money). And 'serious' software cost big money - a non-upgrade copy of MS Word was like $395USD in 1994.
And, not only that, but there was no Internet, there was barely any AOL to connect to with your 14.4 modem, so if you wanted software, you got in your car, drove down to the computer store, and hoped they had what you wanted in stock. (One of the ways in which it was easier to be a DOS/Windows person - there was more DOS/Windows software in stock.) Or, if you were in the U.S. (this was hopeless for us Canadians because we didn't have domestic glossy computer magazines), you picked up the newest issue of your favourite computer magazine, flipped to the back of the magazine where all the mail order vendors' ads were, picked up your phone, called their 1-800 number, and ordered the software to be mailed to you. (But wait... these were first time computer buyers, they didn't have a favourite computer magazine yet)
So, how was it bad to give first time computer buyers a "works" productivity software package (ClarisWorks on Mac, MS Works on Windows), a CD-ROM encyclopedia for the kids, maybe a money management program (Quicken or MS Money) and a few other things that would let actually let families use their expensive new purchase?
Do you really expect families buying their first home computer so the kids can use a CD-ROM encyclopedia (rather than driving to the public library, which is how you did school projects in 1994) and type up a 2-page school assignment to drive back to the store, ask the sales dude what software they need, and drop a couple hundred more dollars on software for those basic needs?
It's worth noting - if you got a 'business' Mac from the dealer stream, i.e. a Quadra or Power Mac, you didn't get any bundled software, just the OS. They expected those buyers to buy their copy of Photoshop or QuarkXPress from the dealer along with the computer.
I want to point out that those are not preinstalled, (the japanese performa i got) and they are not trial but full working software..
Preach
"In the meantime we're all just going to have to band together in sadness and wistfulness at what we used to have but no longer do." LOL The older you get, the more you'll do that. I'm 43, got into computers in the early to mid 80s, and the longing grows more and more each day.
I’ve been waiting for the bigger one the whole time. In the meantime, I have a Mac mini hooked up to a 43” 8k Sony tv that is used as my monitor and costs a lot less than the studio display.
what refresh rate and resolution / scaling did you manage to achieve with that?
I think the larger iMac would be a money maker for Apple let me explain: it already costs them xyz to make the 24” (technically 23.5”) … if they shipped a larger panel even the 27” panel they could charge more while still only costing approximately the same xyz to manufacture as the 24” - pure profit
I love my 24” iMac but having used the 27” for so many years I wish there was a larger screen option iMac
Again - they could charge more money for all of the same components as the 24” .. the price difference between a 24” (23.5”) screen panel and a 27” or 30” panel is not that great
No one needs new tech we’d be happy with the current tech in a larger screen size .. even if that was 27” .. and Apple would be charging way more money for essentially the same exact cost to manufacture
0:23 What sort of phone company pays for a sponsored ad on a Apple fanboys UA-cam channel? I dont think they will get many buyers?
😂
I would kill for an iMac Pro with apple silicon. I loved the M3 iMac so much I was almost tempted to switch over to it but it's not quite enough for everything I do as a creator! I also think the chin design is iconic so happy for them to keep that haha
I’m still hanging on to my late 2019 27” iMac, but at this point I don’t think my next Mac will be an all-in-one. Probably go third party display, but it would be awesome if there was a kit to reuse my iMac’s 5K, like the one you showed for earlier iMacs.
My old 27" iMac got a new SSD HD, maxed out RAM and is running with Linux Mint. This old computer continues to "Rock On" and does everything I need it to do and looks good doing it! Keeping e-waste at bay!!
My 2009 27“ iMac is still used by my girlfriend for administrating her business. The screen still looks very good and seeing it standing on the desk alone is worth having it there. Plus, target display mode still works with M-Series MacBooks, despite Apple saying it does not.
How is the dongle situation there? Thunderbolt 4 to Thunderbolt 2?
@@nd4spdviperI think the 2009 was before Thunderbolt. I use the Apple Thunderbolt adapter for my 2013 Thunderbolt Display, but I think the 2009 was dvi right? Probably a whole different lineup of adapters into HDMI would be the easiest?
@@nd4spdviper the cable to achieve target display mode is a „USB C to Mini DisplayPort Mini DP Cable 4K @ 60Hz Thunderbolt 3 Male to Mini DP Male Converter Unidirectional Cable“ if you meant this.
My bro in law does the same on 2010 i7 32 gigs windows.
As a long-time iMac owner, the main problem I have with an all-in-one is that you must update both your computer and your display at the same time. Going from the iMac to a Mac Studio with Studio Display, I basically got the same display with a new computer. If only I could've used my old iMac as a display for my Mac Studio, I could've saved a few bucks.
Theres no reason to buy an apple monitor these days. They are overpriced garbage using yesterday's tech.
Did I just see a sponsor spot of an android device, on a Apple focused UA-cam channel?
Not just an Android device, but a pretty bad one too! Goddamn.
Hey, it pays the bills.
Could he say AI any more times? Guess that's the new sales point now. Remember when it was 5G, 5G, 5G, just been replaced with AI, AI, AI for every other word.
If you're lucky.
I feel that it’s a stealth parody. Or maybe not so stealthy lol. Don’t want to blow up the man’s revenue streams.
I loved the 27" iMacs and if they made newer ones if definitely buy one. I switched from my 2017 27" iMac to a M1 Pro Macbook with a second 32" monitor, which I like, but the 27" just were something else. Great video as always!
Apple needs to revive the 27 inch iMac for sure! But most importantly bring back the short-lived iMac Pro line.
The imac pro was a huge fail. Thats why they discontinued it.
@@Warp2090 It wont fail again with Apple Silicon
My opinion is that they shouldn't bother making a 27" iMac unless it's the same size as either the Studio Display or Pro Display XDR, or the successors to those displays (there was a rumor that the next Pro Display XDR would be 36 inches and 7K resolution). It has to be a seamless design when you put it next to a Studio or Pro Display, and the previous 27" iMac was never that (it's not like they had a display when they were selling 27" iMacs in the better part of the 2010s anyway). Unless they manage to do that, it's not going to have an appeal for me considering the negative that the computer is also permanently fixed to the display.
If they CAN do that though and we get a 27 to 32" iMac (or even bigger, who knows) that's the same size and thickness as their displays but it also has an MX Pro or Max chip inside, ngl that would be pretty cool.
2:40 -- I assure you all this was not bloatware and those user guides were actually teaching tools featuring a glossary for computer terms. You have to understand the internet was still relatively new and prior to having the net these CD's did come in handy. And to download good shareware took for freaking ever provided no one picked up the phone to make a call. 🤦🏻♂ And mind your tongue about Claris Works kiddo.
I still have a couple G3 iMacs. I still have the first 24" iMac (white body) from 2006. And of course when the 27" came out in 2009, I bought that too. It was my daily driver machine for about 6 years with a secondary monitor hooked up to it (thank you mini-DVI adapter!) I even had it setup to dual boot to run Windows 7 when needed. I still have it, but have not turned it on for at least 8-9 years now. Won't get rid of it, nor the other iMac I have. Too many awesome memories.
*It was better when the word "iMac" was written on the front of the iMac like on the original. They should do it again.*
why is this in *bold*
yeah but instead it should be a thin bezel like on a macbook, not like on an old imac
Yeah, and when the logo on the lid of the MacBooks glowed. But times change.
They went to this "new" square-sided design which just reminds me of my old iPhone 4s, quaintly old-fashioned.
Still have my 2017 iMac Pro for my office at work and a 2020 iMac 27 i7 at home. Impatiently waiting for apple silicon in a larger iMac
iMacs are a pain in the ass to fix. You see people bringing their gigantic boxes to the Apple Store like a dork. The separation into screen + station was needed.
Not needed but plenty of folks desired it
No more "gigantic" than bringing in a PC tower to a PC repair shop. In fact, iMacs are smaller and weigh less.
Admittedly it's not the coolest photoshoot ever to be seen carrying one, but that's hardly a good enough point to discontinue it. If you're super self-conscious, wear a hat and a covid mask and show up right when the doors open.
How often are these computers breaking? Everything can break, but is Apple QC really that bad?
@@username7763 Nope. It’s a manufactured controversy. I have an iMac over 10 years old that still works
The best value for me is just a MacBook Pro (or an Air) with an external USB-C dock and whatever monitors you want. That's what I use. My primary setup is a 14" MacBook Pro with the M1 Pro chip, a Lenovo USB-C dock and my old PC monitors from my old tower. I can replace any component of this setup I like and have it all work, if I get new monitors, I just need to make sure they're DisplayPort or HDMI compatible, and the laptop itself just needs plain USB-C and the ability to use DisplayLink drivers, in fact I swap out my MacBook for my work-issued ThinkPad if I ever need to work from home and it works without a fuss. Is it as clean as an iMac? No. But for what I do it's a great setup and works very well for my needs.
This is the exact problem with Apple, and why I switched back to PC. Apple offers so few hardware options to begin with, that when they make design changes, you are often stranded because the newer model you wanted to upgrade to has been discontinued. Thus, 27" iMac customers now don't have the option to upgrade to a more powerful 27" model. They are forced to buy a horrendously expensive Mac Studio PLUS buy a separate 27" monitor.
Apple customers never know what hardware options are going to be available down the road when they need to upgrade. It's always a crap shoot, with a high likelihood of not being able to upgrade to the same model.
My entry to the Mac world was a 2011 27” iMac. It was great, but it was old (in 2020). I bought a Mac Studio and an MBP 13” M1. Also scored a cheap 2019 i9 with the Vega graphics card, and still use it for casual web browsing, and the occasional work in Lightroom or Photoshop (it’s great!). Initially I was holding off replacing the 2011, awaiting an M-chip 27” iMac, and I’m very glad I didn’t wait longer than I did! I’m not sure they will ever release a 27” iMac again.
32 inch iMac coming soon!
I sure hope so!
The only thing that would make me switch back to Apple from PC would be a 32" iMac with an M4 ultra chip at a reasonable price. But that would never happen. Apple doesn't do "reasonable prices" anymore.
@@squatch545 Well, 32" and "Ultra" are not reasonable demands for a cheap product with very low economy of scale. Just being honest. Out of curiosity though, what's your reasonable price point for such a beast of a machine? And why not happy with a 30" M4 Max?
@@Äpple-pie-5k I don't understand what you mean by "cheap product".
Reasonable price for the above mentioned would be $3,000
Another great, insightful video, Luke.
I'm a freelance graphic designer/video editor running 2 x iMacs of various vintages. They're both at the end of their useful life for consistently running Premiere/After Effects with 4K/6K footage, so I really need to upgrade. I've watched various 'Mac rumours' UA-camrs who dispel the same old nonsense, guessing about what/when Apple are going to release (how they get so many subscribers for churning out the same old 'ifs and buts' rubbish is beyond me) but, from my business point of view, do I want to spend a small fortune on something that can't be upgraded or fixed? I've been using Macs since the early 90's and they're great to use and, unlike Windows machines, don't grind to a slowdown after a couple of years use. However, you're still looking at replacing/recovering the hard drives after 4-5 years hard usage - both my iMacs have replacement SSD drives (bigger and cheaper than the OEM Apple equipment). The questions are: do I want to spend a lot of money on something that will die in 5 years time and is irrepairable? Do I wait for the M4 chip to arrive with the new Mac Studio....and then buy a bloody expensive screen to match, that will die in 5 years time and is irrepairable? Or, do I wait for the 30-32" iMac, which would be perfect, that may or may not appear before my iMacs implode......that will die in 5 years time and is irrepairable.
Running a business shouldn't have to be dictated by these decisions when using such great gear (and Apple really do make great gear).... but it's made by a company that's too self-important and always screwing the last buck/quid out of their loyal fanbase. What with Apple AND Adobe - I'm seething and at the end of my tether. Apple won't give us the 32" M4 Ultra iMac because we want it (just like Adobe won't relinquish the subscription model) - they dictate to us what we want and can, very cynically, make much more money out of us.
Maybe I was too harsh on Windows......I'm seriously considering the switch.....
They are just following the market, people don't want desktops anymore, their laptops are their biggest seller after the phones. People want mobile devices and that's what apple is giving them.
You should put the word "most" in front of "people". But it's important to get almost everybody in your market capture or you slowly start losing 1% or 2% market capture year on year.
Yes I remember, I also remember they were not installed. Installation was a choice. It’s bloatware when it’s installed. I had a 660av prototype then later a 8500 with a Pentium P90 daughterboard. 2 monitors memory maxed on both. Still have it and still working.
I would give a kidney for a new M4 iMac 27”
Sorry, with 8 Gigs of forever RAM and 250 Gigs of forever storage, the price is now TWO kidneys! If you want amounts of RAM and storage that are actually USABLE, that will be two additional kidneys!!!
your kidney, or someone else's?
We always need to with Apple 😂 but seriously I think at least a 30 inch is needed these days. Ideally a 32 in my view.
@@davidkachelthe new apple standard for ram is rumoured to be atleast 16 gb of ram for the base model of the new Mac’s so you would be wrong if the rumour is true
@@cheze_bunthey are also planning to raise the base price, so no one gets a deal
10:46 my first iMac was a 2010 27" - I then upgraded to a Late 2015 5K which died last year (2023) in the summer. I then finally switched to a M2 Pro Mac Mini and two 1440p external displays, I'm still planning to get a 27" 4k monitor as a third display but it's not super urgent. I also gave in and after years of using Bootcamp on my iMacs I decided to build a dedicated Windows 11 gaming PC. Quite the experience after almost 1 1/2 decades abstinence of non Apple PCs :D
"The iMac is good value" - well that explains why Apple wants it out of the line-up
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I've been fortunate in that I've worked on Macs since 1985. Back in 1997, when the first iMac came out, I bought it and enjoyed using it. After that one , I bought two more. Then I decided to get a MacBook Pro, and have bought two others since then. Today, I'm starting to think about replacing my current MBP with a newer one, but I am considering getting a larger monitor to go with it. I don't think I'll ever go back to a desktop computer because you can't easily move it around your place or take it with you. I use my MBP for so many things including working on photos in Photoshop, doing research, and streaming videos.
The blueberry iMac was my first Mac. That thing was awesome.
My first home Mac was a Performa 400 but I did get the Bondi Blue iMac the day it was released and have had this iMac, the lampshade iMac, and a variety of other Intel iMacs. I'm retired so buying a comparable M-series iMac to my fully blown 2019 iMac is outside my budget. Maybe I'll get an M4 mini with a 4k monitor although I'd love a better monitor but everything is just too expensive.
Why? What did you do on it, that was awesome
It looked nice but windows XP computers were wayy better.
I had a 27" but was at work. I really liked it, enough space for everything i needed really, i barely used the second screen. I have now a Mini with 24", again work provided. I think in the hybrid world, it makes sense to have a semi-integrated solution: rather than an iMac with all the guts behind the screen, stuff in the base like MS did with theirs... but detachable, so you could take the base to the office (or home) and attach it to another display.
Apple calls it a "3rd party display" and in the PC world it's just called ✨ a monitor ✨
There's a distinction. The "PC World" has no vertical integration all the way up and down the chain. With Apple it's important to know if you're getting something whose specs are optimized for the vertical integration.
@@Äpple-pie-5k Yes Apple has some tight integration for some things, but a display? It would be like if Netflix required you bought a Netflix TV. Or ESPN expects you to have a ESPN TV. We have industry standards of DisplayPort, HDMI for a reason.
1. The iMac G3 didn’t save Apple financially, only in morale. Things didn’t turn around until iPod.
2. The 5K iMac always seemed like a temporary fix to offer 27-inch and retina at the same time, when Thunderbolt couldn’t do it.
3. Personally I’m so happy with the Mac Studio (and I see it everywhere on UA-camrs’ desks), because while iMac was the only way to do 5K, it meant upgrading the screen every time you wanted a CPU upgrade. Gah!
4. iMac G4, Greatest Of All Time? Absolutely. Except for retina, that screen really holds up (no pun intended).
Apple's thinking? I don't think so.
They are thinking, but different 🙃😅
I am so glad that you saw my comment on the iPhone 16 video about how apple just abandoned the iMac and never said anything about it and that now you made a video about this issue ❤
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7:10 Yep, this is the reason. When the computer with the lowest profit margins is only barely outselling the Mac Pro, of all things, it’s easy to see why Apple is no longer interested in expanding the line. (Though, I’m curious as to how old this graphic is, as I’m pretty sure these numbers came from a few years ago while the Intel Mac Pro was still being offered.)
To answer your question, my M1 Max Mac Studio is still the perfect desktop solution for my needs. Lots of power and portable enough when I need to drive multiple displays for live performances of mine. It’s sad to see the higher-end iMacs go, but them’s the breaks when the laptops are now full-fledged desktop replacements in their own right.
Can i get a like
Just found your channel recently, one of the GENUINE and REAL channel HERE! Keep up the good work man, thank you.
At 8:20 you forgot to say the word "Cheaper" you're making the studio display sound like it only costs $200.
2017, 5k iMac owner. I changed the CPU to a 3.6GHz i7 (65 watts). 32 GB RAM, replaced the storage with NVMe 1TB. OCLP and run the latest OS Beta. I'll purchased the Mac mini baseline, waiting for the 9th, if a newer mini that is rumoured to be released, that will be the replacement.
M4 Mac mini, end of October. It's going to be a BEAST! +$400 for the 32GB and you're set.
@@Äpple-pie-5k 400 for an extra 32 gb?? As a windows user I find that so funny LOL
Great digging in the crates for vintage clips - I had no idea the laptops out sold the desktops by that margin!
In my collection there is an iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2020) with 16gb of Vram, and 128gb of Ram, and 1 TB of Hard drive with an external 8tb NVME Hub, that my assistant editor uses. We LOVE this machine, and hope Apple can appreciate the users who still need this kind of set up? You asked us, what we are doing right now if we have one? Well, thats simple, we STILL use it, and pray that Apple renovates it again soooon. It is SOOOOO usable!!!
I stopped upgrading my desktop as often a couple years ago and bit the bullet: Mac mini M2 and Studio Display. Expensive, yes, but it's the ultimate setup for me and love using it every day.
Am I the only one wondering what’s more interesting: the fact that a Apple UA-camr accepts a sponsorship from a Android company or the fact that such a company would even comes up with the idea to offer a sponsorship to a known Apple lover. 😄
Still great content.
As someone who used a 27” iMac professionally for well over a decade, I’ve ended up switching to a high end Mac Studio and a 28” 4K display running in scaled mode. In most scenarios, unless you’re actively looking for it, a 4K display scaled to 5K and a native 5K display look pretty similar. You can tell a 5K display is crisper, but it’s not as big a jump as you may think and both displays class as retina (I.e. can’t see individual pixels at a normal viewing distance).
The real kicker is the display is way cheaper than a Studio Display (like less than a 3rd of the price these days) and has many features the Studio Display doesn’t have (like high refresh rate). I have the flexibility to swap it (or one of my other monitors) or the computer any time. Meanwhile, my old slow iMac with its perfectly usable display is sat largely unused in my office (unless I need an Intel Mac for something).
As for the Mac Studio itself, initially I thought I’d miss the all-in-one nature of an iMac, but honestly the additional flexibility, the additional ports, and the more compact package have me sold. If Apple did release a new 27” or 30” iMac now I think I’d stick with the Studio as it’s a far better overall package
Soo about the sponsor...
D8d you switch to Android?
I used to use a 27 imac, great machine, but now use an m3 air + a dell 32inch 144hz monitor. Brilliant combo
Yeah but it's 4K with lower PPI and doesn't hit the sweet spot in the scaling like a new 27" iMac would. Also that 16/9 aspect ratio. Don't get me wrong, I'm in the same boat with my LG 4K displays. I'm just saying... we need a nice 27" or 30" iMac.
I remember seeing the first blue iMac in a computer magazine before it was released, and my jaw dropped. I couldn't wrap my mind around how different it was than every other computer.
I still use a 2008 stock iMac to run Logic Pro, and works far better than any computer that old should.
Thank you for bringing this up. Apple seems allergic to imacs with matching second display.
The studio display costs more because its usable lifespan is longer than any imac would be. It’s not cost-based pricing, but price discriminant demand based pricing they use. I still make some use of my two thunderbolt displays, albeit as guest systems in the office. They function fine for people not aware of dpi. The computers I used them with are all able to be turned on, but don’t receive updates and only really useful as linux machines.
If I had an Apple engineer hostage for long enough to give them my two cents, I wouldn’t just ask for matching studio display/imacs for my OCD. Rather, also that they would size their larger and smaller choices such that the smaller one in portrait would be as tall as the larger in landscape. Moreover, 2:1 aspect ratios such that two of the smaller would be the height of one of the larger for three monitor setups where two smaller and one larger are combined. MacOS has terrible window management, such that using a constellation of monitors can help manage the chaos. But it will never happen because there just aren’t enough people who care /are OCD enough out there. If the new mac mini is as small as they say, just updating studio displays could be enough with a clean mount for the mini on the back, vesa would work well enough. Wish the studio display had some kind of apple tv functionality built in for when no mac is plugged in. Seems like it would be easy enough to implement with the power they have in there.
I used to have a 27” iMac Pro with a second monitor that I used for photo and video editing. I got tired of waiting and replaced it with a Mac Studio and two 27” LG monitors. It works fantastic.
What have the 27" imac owners done? Not buy a new Mac, not buy an iPhone, not buy an iPad, not buy an iWatch, not buy a Macbook.Instead, I miss Steve Jobs who cared about Apple's approach to serving customers.
We had 5 27" iMacs. 3 of them switched to a mini Linux box mounted to the back of 40" displays, one switched to a Linux tower with an Nvidia chip for AI dev and the final one became a massively upgraded i7 Mac Mini.... So, no new Macs at all. The laptops have also similarly switched, mostly to Framework hardware.
My all-time favorite computers: 27" iMac and a 2015 MacBook Pro. I now have an M1 MacBook Air and it is simply adequate. I'm still using the 27" iMac and it still works perfectly. I hope to keep it going for another few years.
never had a imac but id see people opting for a macbook plus an external display (or two). Can upgrade your macbook when you need to and keep the displays or vice versa. Seems like makes the most sense instead of having an all in one that’s stuck forever on the same specs from the day you’ve ordered. :/
I had a Performa when I started out and most wasn't trial software. What you're seeing is the OS7 CD and Claris Works was a full on program. Plus You try and buy a Mac from a shop in the 1990's and you'd be buying a PC with Window's. Mac's were sold in catalogues back then. What had to go was the Macintosh Clones.
I rocked a 2011 27" iMac Pro forever (added ssd & maxed out the ram). This year I replaced it with a Mac Mini M2, 4k LG monitor, Logi MX keyboard, MX mouse, generic monitor arm, Logi Z407 sound. I spent just over a $1000. My set up works perfect for me.
The last Apple display I purchased was in 2005 to go with the PM Quad G5. It's still in use as a 2nd display with my Mac Studio. You are right to point out these holes and wonder why. As to the 6100/7100/8100, I was your age when that was current and it made sense. It was all of the Performas numbering that came in 1995 where a 6200/75 was actually worse than a 6100/60 when it started getting really messy and I had a very hard time advising people.
For my very FIRST Mac computer (iPhone user since iPhone 4) I chose the 2019 27" iMac. At $2,400 it was the most expensive computer I had ever bought. I have not been unhappy with this purchase for one second. I would do it again in one second. I was SOOOO looking forward to a 30" iMac designed like the M1-M3 iMacs, but that didn't happen. I would/will happily stay with my intel iMac from 2019, but the new AI in the next slated release of MacOS is saying that Apple Silicon is REQUIRED to run those features so an upgrade of my iMac is looking likely. I am hopeful we'll get another upgrade to maybe M4 with 512gb and 16gb's storage and ram respectively, but don't know. Either way for ME, my foray in the Apple ecosystem has been both seamless and flawless, and I would be happy to stay with the 2019 dinosaur if need be.
I suspect part of the reason the iMac is on the backburner: Generational shifts, younger people prefer laptops because we simply don't have an office and desk to dedicate to a home computer. We tend to want extra monitors, for those who care enough to run them, so in the end the iMac is an expensive product only really selling to the older folks....and they're just fine using their 2014's until the end of time.
I had a 21.5” 2013 iMac for years. I finally upgraded to the first M1 Mac mini. Now it sits on my work desk (with the same widescreen of my MacBook Pro). I barely use it because I also have an MacBook Air. I like the compact nature of it sitting at the same desk (iMac could not do that). But god I hate the cable management mess!
I’m using a base M2 Mac Mini with a 24” Apple LED Cinema Display from 2008!!! I covered it in a recent vid but it’s the iMac design with rear USB ports & a built-in iSight camera and mic… which don’t get nearly enough mention when talking about alternative monitors for macOS
I’m rocking an m2 Mac mini with the Apple Thunderbolt Display I’ve been using for the best part of a decade now. Still looks great today and matches in with the Mac mini perfectly. I’ll update to a studio display eventually but not in any rush.
Same. The M2 Pro Mini plays the Thunderbolt basically is an iMac if you hide the cables. Although I would probably get a Studio computer for the extra Ram and keep this display for a while. I don’t think I could justify upgrading the display and not the computer when it would cost around the same, especially since these monitors are still a great choice.