The mics are too high for this. They are pointing too much at the floor which is making them sound very biting and too "long" in the high mids. If you lowered the mics 2 feet and had them more parallel to the floor, it would sound MUCH better. That's why people are complaining that they are "mono" and "a bit bright" It's not the mic, it's the engineer.
I don’t think this sounded particularly well balanced. I thought the cello was a little buried. And I would’ve like to hear more of the Woody element of the instruments. Perhaps positioning the microphones lower would’ve helped here.
Wow, after such a long explanation I was expecting a great sound, and this is horrible! What is the point of this video? Are secretly trying to tell people not to buy these microphones?
Nasal, colored, one dimensional, edgy, distorted. These are either terrible microphones, poor acoustics, lousy A-D converter or something or all of these things ... Don't use X-Y at 90 degrees with cardioids. Hyper-cardioids or cosine pattern would be OK, albeit still with a lack of sense of space. I've been recording professional ensembles, including full symphony orchestras since 1968. For string quartet, try hypo-cardioids at about 10-inch spacing and toe out of +/- 45 degrees. Also, microphones that are too high will capture nasty sounds off the top of the violins.
it is strange that you react so to the raw sound of violins, which is relatively close to the microphone. Yes, this is how violins sound - very shrill and a little muttering. To fix this it is better to record them at a greater distance. or try strong EQ, distortion
I don't think it's really mono, but the XY pattern isn't as wide as A-B or ORTF, that's why it sounds so closed. I don't think these microphones are the right ones for a string quartet, by the way.
sounds very well balanced! love it, I've been after an affordable matched pair of mics for some time now and these sound much better than the nt5 and nt55 to my ears, a bit less hyped in the presence range.
Dear RODE: Be carefull! Someone screw up. The part with the logo on the final scene is in stereo but the quartet example is being delivered to us in mono. Not a very good way to show off the microphones, specially after all those XY explanations.
XY is almost mono. Nobody plays back classical music in mono, so XY is just an inferior setup, and not real stereo. ORTF, DIN, NOS or AB (spaced pair) are much better.
Uh...RØDE should take down this video. This has to be be blamed on technique and not the mics....I hope. Edgy and mono. I know XY is narrow, but not this narrow....
Ok, this is a recording situation, but for a live sound? To capture a string quartets at wedings, or a group of 4-5 vocal singers (choir) is there a better solution? It needs good gain to avoid feedback.
The M5 will also work great for capturing live sounds as well. However, if you're looking for microphones which are more directional, so that less background noise enters your signal, you could look at the shotgun microphones in our NTG range.
Gutsy move to demo a mic on a string quartet! The comments on "woodiness" and possible shrillness are inevitable. I would listen more for the harmonics and think if the mics are leaning sweeter or harsher.
Damn Australians will now have a new customer based on looking at several 2 pencil condenser mics : Neweer, Lyxpro, Monoprice ( rebadged MXL 603's, Behringer C2, Behringer C4. Time to buy and and try out. Based on schematics the Rode M5 and the Monoprice ( MXL 603's) are in my list.
Has anybody tried these on Bass Guitar or Kick Drum? The stated frequency response is pretty flat down to 35-40Hz, so they ought to do the trick, although dynamic mics are traditionally used on the bass drum... I'm looking all over for a demo, can anyone help?
Into this technique, with better than average good microphones like these, there's such a tendency on having harsh strings and without space at all, but should prove to be effective in some specific moments, I believe...
Hey there! The perception that small diaphragm microphones inherently produce harsh high frequencies is not entirely accurate. While it's true that small diaphragm condenser microphones, like the RØDE M5 matched pair, are known for their detailed and accurate representation of the high-frequency range, this doesn't necessarily translate to harshness. Small diaphragm microphones are favored for their ability to capture sound with great clarity and precision, especially in the high-frequency range. This is due to their smaller diaphragm mass, which allows them to respond more quickly to sound waves, resulting in a more accurate transient response and extended high-frequency response.
Sounds great! Will you recommend using a single M5 mic on a boom pole for indoor interview dialogue recording? I am looking for a hypercardioid or cardioid mic for indoor booming as supercardioid shotguns pick up too much echo/reverse, however Rode doesn't produce a hypercardioid like audio technica 4053b or audix SCX1/HC. Thank you!
You might try a Rode NT5, or Deity's short shotgun mic at this price range. But supercardioid really is the right pattern for indoor dialogue. Check out @CurtisJudd for a good comparison on indoor boom mics.
@@twinandearth8693 wow a reply to my 6 year old comment! I improved a lot since then and settled on the Sennheiser me64 cardioid mic. The mic really wasn't the issue. Although the me64 does perform better indoors than long shotgun with supercardioid pattern, the long shotguns are still perfectly acceptable when handled right. Now I would pick the right mic for the job, but still able to deliver when the mic is not ideal.
I agree... it's not even a realistic listening perspective. Am I supposed to be seven feet tall, and just staring down at them, while standing in the middle of their string quartet for no reason? Who does that? I much rather would have heard ORTF, from a more realistic distance away, and an appropriate height (human head, while sitting). I don't stick my head IN the microwave, to see if my dinner is ready, either. He seems to be on the right track, with his explanation of compression of the stereo field, but something is missing.
after 3 min of bla bla...the record is... better not say. Violins sound too loud, to much gain in middle frequencies (1-2khz) overall total disappointed
The mics are too high for this. They are pointing too much at the floor which is making them sound very biting and too "long" in the high mids. If you lowered the mics 2 feet and had them more parallel to the floor, it would sound MUCH better. That's why people are complaining that they are "mono" and "a bit bright" It's not the mic, it's the engineer.
I don’t think this sounded particularly well balanced. I thought the cello was a little buried. And I would’ve like to hear more of the Woody element of the instruments. Perhaps positioning the microphones lower would’ve helped here.
A bit bright for the violin E string in my opinion. Good balance between instruments and the room.
exact
Wow, after such a long explanation I was expecting a great sound, and this is horrible! What is the point of this video? Are secretly trying to tell people not to buy these microphones?
Nasal, colored, one dimensional, edgy, distorted. These are either terrible microphones, poor acoustics, lousy A-D converter or something or all of these things ... Don't use X-Y at 90 degrees with cardioids. Hyper-cardioids or cosine pattern would be OK, albeit still with a lack of sense of space. I've been recording professional ensembles, including full symphony orchestras since 1968. For string quartet, try hypo-cardioids at about 10-inch spacing and toe out of +/- 45 degrees. Also, microphones that are too high will capture nasty sounds off the top of the violins.
I've never heard of cosine pattern... can you explain what that is or of there's another name for it?
@@twinandearth8693 cosine pattern is same as figure-of-8 pattern.
im just a beginner how to contact?
AND $260 DOLLARS FOR THE PAIR. I think it is exceptional value. How much would this have cost 25 years ago eh? What 'Video' are you watching?
it is strange that you react so to the raw sound of violins, which is relatively close to the microphone. Yes, this is how violins sound - very shrill and a little muttering. To fix this it is better to record them at a greater distance. or try strong EQ, distortion
Never heard anyone pronounce lavalier that way, at 1:18
Very fascinating
the soud is very aggressive to me and and not very well spatialized.
First minute: We've asked the string quartet to play in a way no string quartet plays to record a string quartet playing.
why why why WHY does the audio (before the M5's kick in at the end of the video) in this video have SO MUCH HISSSSSSS?
Rode knows better than this
+Theoria Apophasis That is his lav mic.
It's quite horrid.... so hard to listen to!
they're probably using a zoom H4n or the on-camera preamps unfortunately.
It is surprisingly poor .. :-/
Yep that’s exactly what I expected it to sound like. I had the rode NTK the top end was hard and shrill on every source I tried it on.
it's mono :( why
+ilian Apostolov XY
+ManOfDoodle Yes, the mics are in XY, but the sound uploaded to youtube is mono....
+ilian Apostolov ehhh the outro sound is stereo
+ManOfDoodle :D
I don't think it's really mono, but the XY pattern isn't as wide as A-B or ORTF, that's why it sounds so closed. I don't think these microphones are the right ones for a string quartet, by the way.
sounds very well balanced! love it, I've been after an affordable matched pair of mics for some time now and these sound much better than the nt5 and nt55 to my ears, a bit less hyped in the presence range.
Demo starts at around 2:26.
Did anyone notice that quartet plays in mono lol?
Dear RODE: Be carefull! Someone screw up. The part with the logo on the final scene is in stereo but the quartet example is being delivered to us in mono. Not a very good way to show off the microphones, specially after all those XY explanations.
XY is almost mono. Nobody plays back classical music in mono, so XY is just an inferior setup, and not real stereo. ORTF, DIN, NOS or AB (spaced pair) are much better.
how would u compare these to the nt5 mics
yo, this recording sound is not right for a quartet
I don´t like the sound at all. There´s a very unnatural emphasis on the lower high frequencies that makes the violin sound like a sampler.
Poor mic placement.
Did they use a close mic on the violin? Or maybe the main pair should have been moved back a bit.
sounds so distorted :O
I so wish you’d use an ORTF setup (Or DIN or NOS)!
‘Cause honestly - nobody EVER listens to classical music in mono!
Uh...RØDE should take down this video. This has to be be blamed on technique and not the mics....I hope. Edgy and mono. I know XY is narrow, but not this narrow....
To Rode hello. What would you recommend for solo Cello recordings and other solo strings instruments?
It sounds kinda piercing in some of the high frequencies. Is that the diaphragm's resonance?
Too closely miked for my taste. I'd like more a bit more air in the sound.
Could you stop anoyying the customers with dog food comercials before the microphone video? That would be great. Thanks.
You can thank the YT overlords for these
The string quartet sounds like a school band
Dear Rode you’ve been following me through all my recordings...thank you ! Love every Rode mics...
Ok, this is a recording situation, but for a live sound? To capture a string quartets at wedings, or a group of 4-5 vocal singers (choir) is there a better solution? It needs good gain to avoid feedback.
The M5 will also work great for capturing live sounds as well. However, if you're looking for microphones which are more directional, so that less background noise enters your signal, you could look at the shotgun microphones in our NTG range.
and then you played my favorite song.....but not the whole thing. i feel robbed.........and i still prefer the NT5
Wow..that was short!..haha.. Thats a way better recording than that choir you recorded lol..😁
@rode... Would that work for a church choir?
Any recommendations?
Thanks
if they sing around a omni that could work. Or two sides singing to a figure 8. Or a bunch of cardioids aimed at them. Research it
Gutsy move to demo a mic on a string quartet! The comments on "woodiness" and possible shrillness are inevitable. I would listen more for the harmonics and think if the mics are leaning sweeter or harsher.
Damn Australians will now have a new customer based on looking at several 2 pencil condenser mics : Neweer, Lyxpro, Monoprice ( rebadged MXL 603's, Behringer C2, Behringer C4. Time to buy and and try out. Based on schematics the Rode M5 and the Monoprice ( MXL 603's) are in my list.
RØDE Microphones demonstrating a setup for the M5 matched pair microphones.
Has anybody tried these on Bass Guitar or Kick Drum? The stated frequency response is pretty flat down to 35-40Hz, so they ought to do the trick, although dynamic mics are traditionally used on the bass drum... I'm looking all over for a demo, can anyone help?
No bottom end at all. the cello needed a large diaphragm..
Into this technique, with better than average good microphones like these, there's such a tendency on having harsh strings and without space at all, but should prove to be effective in some specific moments, I believe...
Lol, did I just see Kai W! legand!
So did I, metought I had hallucinations for a moment, buy hey no, you saw him too!
My understanding is, that with small diaphragm microphones, it is to be expected, that the high frequencies are a bit harsh, right?
Hey there! The perception that small diaphragm microphones inherently produce harsh high frequencies is not entirely accurate. While it's true that small diaphragm condenser microphones, like the RØDE M5 matched pair, are known for their detailed and accurate representation of the high-frequency range, this doesn't necessarily translate to harshness.
Small diaphragm microphones are favored for their ability to capture sound with great clarity and precision, especially in the high-frequency range. This is due to their smaller diaphragm mass, which allows them to respond more quickly to sound waves, resulting in a more accurate transient response and extended high-frequency response.
Whst is your finest flute mic?
Nice sound!
What else I need to buy to use this mic to record the sound to my PC?
You will need an audio interface such as the RØDECaster Pro II, which you can connect directly to your computer via USB-C.
Very nice
Hello Rode. You're from Australia. I'm not. Let's be friends.
Consider us friends Sir Nigel!
Huzzah!
Sounds great! Will you recommend using a single M5 mic on a boom pole for indoor interview dialogue recording? I am looking for a hypercardioid or cardioid mic for indoor booming as supercardioid shotguns pick up too much echo/reverse, however Rode doesn't produce a hypercardioid like audio technica 4053b or audix SCX1/HC. Thank you!
RODE NTG2 IT'S GREAT FOR THAT!
You might try a Rode NT5, or Deity's short shotgun mic at this price range. But supercardioid really is the right pattern for indoor dialogue. Check out @CurtisJudd for a good comparison on indoor boom mics.
@@twinandearth8693 wow a reply to my 6 year old comment! I improved a lot since then and settled on the Sennheiser me64 cardioid mic. The mic really wasn't the issue. Although the me64 does perform better indoors than long shotgun with supercardioid pattern, the long shotguns are still perfectly acceptable when handled right. Now I would pick the right mic for the job, but still able to deliver when the mic is not ideal.
Not sure what all the complaints are for, this sounds good.
Dude does he ever stop talking
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They sound bad..
are the mics really THAT noisy? you guys tried to hide it there at the end but the noise really came thru at the beginning.
+CoTheReal That is the sound from the lavalier mic, he even mentions it after 1:15.
a valve preamp would make the recording shine more!!! try again with a UA solo 2610
Why not use more of a space? You've got such a beautiful room and your quartet is sitting like they are in a tiny practice room lol
I agree... it's not even a realistic listening perspective. Am I supposed to be seven feet tall, and just staring down at them, while standing in the middle of their string quartet for no reason? Who does that?
I much rather would have heard ORTF, from a more realistic distance away, and an appropriate height (human head, while sitting). I don't stick my head IN the microwave, to see if my dinner is ready, either.
He seems to be on the right track, with his explanation of compression of the stereo field, but something is missing.
Muahahaha.... I can´t stand the "chinese highs" of rode mics especially with cheap micpres. And bye the way: it´s mono!
after 3 min of bla bla...the record is... better not say. Violins sound too loud, to much gain in middle frequencies (1-2khz) overall total disappointed