@@frapollo94 well I grew up with creepy pastas, and I can say this feels like on at first glance, strange how fitting a creepy pasta is for fear and hunger
The Person could be basically kind of Miro's self-insert. Maybe in initial versions of the game he wanted to have some avatar of himself as an interactable character, but he abandoned this idea later during the development. That would explain both The Person being "the TRUE god of fear and hunger" (the one who literally created the game) as well as refering to "the popular belief that I created the dungeon (...)"
I remember reading Miro said something along the lines that the games were a reflection of everyone's collective trauma, in the most oppressive atmosphere possible. I think this was intended to be a very literal reading of his intentions and maybe was scrapped for being too on the nose ("we are all the god of fear and hunger"). Great deep dive and archival work, I love this kind of stuff.
I was going to comment this, it seems very meta, like its coming from the outside and hinting at breaking the 4th wall. I was more leaning towards it being a self insert, as in the ideas that he has leading too him creating the game is a stare into the void too long and the void stares back kinda situation.
I personally think there was supposed to be an ending about alll-mer and that the husk dialogue was about his backstory and why he became a god. Even though alll-mer is supposed to be a fiction representation of jesus christ, i can believe that the dungeon is supposed to represent his tomb as you can find alll-mers skeleton and the husk is the person who created it to seal him in there. Just a little waffle and theory but thats the fun of it!
@@frapollo94 mauthedog theorized that all mer is actually gro goroth that has died and ascended twice , first by becoming a new god and second by ascending and it was honestly pretty convincing since the sun god is the true mastermind of termina
Another way to examine this theory is that, the core tenant of Christianity is to assume that Christ arose on the third day from the tomb, say his goodbyes, and join His place as the right hand of the Father. However, with Allmer trapped in the tomb and dungeon, this assumes his ascension isn't complete as the Messiah. If Mahabre is an alternate Rome where the Polytheistic gods still roam while Allmer is dormant, the new gods are taking advantage of the power vacuum as Mahabre collapsed from its own weight, and Gothic culture became the new Western standard of thought. At least one of the new gods is as recent as the Spanish Conquistadors, meaning the dungeons were never truly abandoned. Seeing as the miracles of waterwalking and wine transmutation can also be found within the dungeon but don't exist outside, Gro-Goroth we now know hid Allmer away to keep their foothold over ruling the world, but is only a reflection of Allmer's power. The world could only wait so long before a new messiah is made, so Le'Garde was meant to take his place, but the Little Girl has more in common with Allmer than Le'Garde. However, since she's too young, she can't ascend without help and can only be manipulated by false prophets. Or, y'know, Miro is the "person" saying that Funger came to him in a dream and he was destined to work on it whether he liked it or not. "It's an evil message, but it had to be said."
I am 110% sure of the father funeral story thing having some kind of relation to the Vile given he too is randomly spraying pesticide on fish in Termina but whether that's super secret hidden lore or just a repurposed concept, it seems more likely to be the latter
Damn coming from my usual band of Souls community, you guys are wholesome as fuck godamn. Thanks for being nice, know that shouldn't be complimented but at this point it's the only thing to encourage it outside of people just wanting to be nice. It's a nice change of pace. @charleshastings7260
Frapollo whispering into the microphone for framatic effect was nkt what I came here for, but what I needed to boost my mood. I hope he never stops finding new things in this game
Despite that there is still the false gods part and the presence of person in gauntlet! We may meet in the middle and say that it isn't only a vile reference!
D'arce's Ensing S is called the TRUE GOD OF FEAR & HUNGER where she ritualistically resurrects L'garde after his torturous demise, who underwent a mystic metamorphosis, returning as a demoniac skinless ghoul, who would herald doom and terror upon the world. I wonder, if the True God of Fear & Hunger is a remnant of these old ideas. The Tormented One being summoned from L'gard's sacrifice, referencial to the Hellriser / Hellbound Heart rituals that inspired its skinless appearance. Maybe, the Dungeons were akin to the physical form of an Old One, before conceptualizing properly the God of the Depths [the canonical engineer of the Dungeons, and an insutrumental entity in the transcendance of The Girl into the God of F&H. Miro must have re written several drafts of this already abstract process.
Yeah that's a good theory! I didn't include that as imo the narrator speaking is different than an ending title, I think the narrator is omniscent while title are just cool things!
There is also the ida that lgarde was suposed be a playable chararter from the start, I wonder if the A endng was suposed to be his S ending were Lgarde die as the true god of fear and hunger was his daughter all along but change when the whole yellow king storyline enter the fray and used the "fake amnesia" storyline to move him from friend to foe
Well, I wouldn't say that just because few aspects changed with The Vile, that his behaviour is just a coincidence. Ideas obviously evolve, and this was likely created during very early stages of Funger. And Termina actually features a lot of throwbacks to the past, some of the artworks originate from Miro's work that happened years before even the first Funger. So I think it's almost certain what Husk said here, eventually became the idea for The Vile.
In fact I don't think it is a coincidence just because of the different Vile Aspect, but also because of the moment in time Person was created, and the fact it also made it to Level 9 chamber!
I think that the battle against the torment one in the demo is just the first idea of Miro about Le gard, but he doesnt like it at all so just recicle the design of the torment one and make le gard an posible ally. And used the descarted idea for the S ending of D'arce
I love seeing what's left over in the files of a game from previous versions, really makes me wonder how different the overall story could have been with this aspect included.
Just a mention that could have something to do with the theory, there is a reference to a "True God of Fear and Hunger" in the game... D'arce's S Ending is named "The True God of Fear and Hunger"
Oh I thought about that! The reason I didn't include it is because I think narrator speaking is different from an ending title! I think we can't take literally what's written in ending titles!
@@frapollo94 So... I had a thought, a pretty dumb one, but I had fun thinking: What it the Discarded Ending was supposed to be related to D'arce's S Ending? Like, if you did something else besides just having Rebirth of the Beloved, or if you didn't have enough Affinity with Sylvian, it caused the spell to fail partially, creating something else entirely. In this case, a new Le'garde. He does say "I'm a God!" when he revives, so what if he was being literal in this ending? He was somewhat of "created by the dungeons" (The reborn Le'garde, since he was revived in the Dungeons), and after seeing what she had done, D'arce just outright went mad and disappeared within the Dungeons, in a Rumider-like fashion, and the new Le'garde stayed in the Dungeons as the True God of Fear and Hunger Of course, this is just a silly theory that's easily debunked, but hey, I had fun thinking about this
@@marcelovieira519 Let remenber the idea tha legarde was suposed to be a playable chararter before he become a reclutable one, maybe that feature in the whole thing.
Incredible video! The demo is one of my favorite bits surrounding the first game. Miros headspace at the time and the sheer amount of cut content leaves so much to the imagination.. incredible find!
Awesome video and great sleuth work Frap :) The whole video style with the altered voice over from you voicing 'Person' really gave me like, nostalgic vibes from old 'creepy' videos from eons ago, the theory for the ending is also rather sound I'd say, the whole 'We never left, this is an illusion' etc
I think it might be a prototipe for a different game or place where the creator juat put stuff he might want to use. For one i don't think they would talk about football in the fear and hunger setting, that conversation is probably from an older time period like in termina. The dialogue where he talks about creating the dungeon could be the creator himself speaking through a character, lots of people try to say that fear and hunger has unnecessary evil whoch could elude to the "its an evil message but it has to be said".
You know I actually do feel like this particular ending suggested is actually still the canon ending, similar to how Kentaro Muira had to retcon the chapter involving what is known as God in their world, Miro may also have put something into the game out of reference or similar issue that he might have instead built up a whole endgame for Fear and Hunger overall. Also made me think; the faceless figure resembles a lot of appearances to the face used for the God of the Depths. In addition, the Tormented One gives us his soul at the end of the fight in the first game when you fight his true self. But you can also fight him in the second game, and in this instance he died twice in physical form. And the sequel doesn't grant you the Tormented Soul through fighting him either, so it feels like there's something else going on there, since the first game you can indeed get multiple of the main souls of the plot and the Hexen.
You did a great job tackling this new style and tone of content, would defintely love to see more videos about Fear and Hunger theories and mythology! I think the idea of a 'true' god of the dungeons is such an interesting concept as even when you fight the reminants of the old gods your ability to win a gruelling fight is predicated on the idea of them growing bored and giving up. Just how much more powerful would this creator be?
Happy you liked it! Yeah I may give this more shots in the future, but still yeah I think person could potentially be the strongest entity of the dungeon at this point!
Its funny you bring the idea that the S endings are illusions when this "person" kills the whole party, because i always had the theory ALL S ending are cannon, including cahara even if someone has to be sacraficed for the A ending. I felt like the GoF&H was born thanks to cahara and she did kill him, but she gave the illusion that he made it out, and played out his life, as if he made it out with wealth. which is why he fears the darkness in his S ending and carries trauma moreso then the others. Its because the darkness is his actual fate, and even in this ideal dream world he is still in the depth where the GoF&H is.
Welp, that was unsettling. At first i just thought that it might just be stuff that was forgotten to be taken out like the debug tiles, but to have such dialog in it as well... It's hard to imagine it just being stuff forgotten to be removed. But i do think its best to remember that this stuff is not really in the position to be deemed canon, considering how one can't access this place naturally. (and i should get back to watching that vod. Hopefully this time i won't be distracted for a while, lol.)
Of course this stuff isn't canon unfortunately! That's why it may be a discarded ending the dev had in mind, but that didn't integrate well with the others!
Quick addendum. One idea that just popped into my head is that maybe this is all part of the demo storyline, or whatever it was meant to become. Those person's are in the same room as the "False Idols" after all. Also, man you respond quickly. Didn't even have time to post this addendum before you answered, heh.
The line about creating the dungeon could mean it’s related to the god of the depths Rag says these dungeons are the shifting organs of that god I believe
it's obviously discarded content, but damn, it feels kinda... artistic, in some aspect. the corrupted but finished music, the random tilemap, the faceless françoises. Its kinda of artistic fr xd
its funny because this kinda ties into a theroy about the sulfur god and all-mer kinda that when all mer ascended that another god was also created and so when the god of fear and hunger was created it was not the true god but just the whispers of it and the other god created was "hidden" from others etc. idk if that makes sense im tired
Your dedication to the game is truly inspiring and admirable. Thank you, Frapollo! I literally got chills from how you narrate the dialogues, especially the last one
Now my mind is terrified and lost in fear and uncertainty. What actually happened in this dungeon of Rondon? What was behind the scene? What was we? New gods? Bringers of god of Fear and Hunger? Or we were just a puppets walking and dying or being lost in outskirts of history that was really created and which we didn't saw or were unable to understand? If such monstrosities as Gro'goroth and Sylvian were created and saw by human eye, what else can exist in this world and unreachable for human eyes or mind? Dungeons of Fear and Hunger is just a tip of an iceberg of what actually hidden from our eyes underground, and we better not even try to reveal something that lies beneath.
I mean who knows maybe the dev works on implementing that or rather expanding on that what is in the game at some point, maybe sometime after working on termina and I really like the theory it was very interesting to listen to^^
This is such a cool theory, the whole “the *true* god of fear and hunger acknowledges you” line is terrifying, the omnipotent god you couldnt even scratch, was just a phony
Maybe person was an Architect who built the dungeon before the incident in which it turned into what it is today. Maybe wanted to revive his father so he tried to contact the gods in which they created THE dungeon we know today and creating an entrance to mahabre? We know the person says "contrary to popular belief I did not create these dungeons, they created me"
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but just contextually, this might be another Berserk reference? I'm not gonna say what happens in it but this information might be a potential spoiler. there's a famous/infamous berserk chapter that, after publication (and im paraphrasing here) Miura thought it hampered things about the story, so the chapter doesn't appear in volume releases, and much of what it features is considered non-canon. the dialogue of the faceless person reading "I did not create these dungeons, they created me, what you see is me reflecting them" in Fear & Hunger is similar and has a similar context to how it's used in that lost chapter of Berserk. Maybe there's even a small playfulness in the idea that a lost room in F&H mirrors a lost berserk chapter, which could indicate a reading on how to interpret this room
@@frapollo94 the chapter is actually part of the Golden Age arc, its Chapter 83 (if you see chapter guides and volumes, youl'd see they jump from chapter 82 straight to 84), though as a personal opinion, it does make sense that this chapter should be read at a later point, like around the chapter 200 mark
you know, that final battle makes me wonder why the god of fear and hunger resembles the husks in both texture and color. it looks like an advanced form of husk, kinda?
I love this video! Its cool that someone is putting so much attention in to this game it definitely deserves it! Props to you my dude for once again being the real MVP!!!
This video feels like those documentary-type deep dives into obscure gaming ARGs in the same vein as MyHouse.WAD, and I'm all here for it. On a completely unrelated note, what's the music track you use for your outros?
Maybe Person was going to be the God of the Depths? Person says that they did not make the dungeons but the dungeons made them, which reminds me of how the God of the Depths is explained to change the layout of the dungeon. Maybe it was going to be an explanation of how the God of the Depths came to be? The God of the Depths is called a god, but is not treated like any of the ones we hear of. It’s only really treated as one by the cave dwellers. When asked in battle what god you serve, it’s not one of the options (Raer isn’t either though to be fair). The coloration of Person reminds me of the God of the Depths’ mouth. They’re both that sickly yellow color. Just my take 🤷
Did someone ask Miro about this? Personally i think this is really interesting topic and theres not much info on it. Someone probably should ask his opinion.
If I were making a game (although I am not that talented lol), I would have this be part of an ending like Ending E where you think you walk out of the dungeons, but you end up right back at the entrance. You go inside and there are these husks. Proceed with creepypasta ending. Also I never knew about the husk standing there at 10:30, whoah! For real??
I cant tell if this is creepy pasta or actual ingame code that somewhat fits narratively since previous videos have mentioned these skipped battles and endings
amazing work as usual frap! really had me on edge with the narration even if it is just a silly little theory kinda like an arg or a creepypasta. well maybe not so silly now that i think of all the research you did haha... i'm waiting for the next lisa the painful stream
I’ve been craving for more fear and hunger lore and story, so I flipping love this video. Can’t imagine how long it took to put this theory all together but, it a awesome theory that fits with the really well fear and hunger game❤
3:16 Again I think this is a Premonition from F&H2: Termina? The laughing cackle and sigh/moan I think its referrencing Stitches, cause it said under the basement or something, Stitches is found under a bunker etc and she takes people to become a part for thr human centipede or perfrct flesh
didn't ragnvaldr say the god of the depths controls the dungeons and IS the dungeons themselves? also for the "true" god of fear & hunger thing, i think it's talking about the idea of the ideology of fear & hunger which exists in the green hue just like every other idea in human existence. and it would make sense that it would acknowledge you because you delving into the dungeons and coming out more powerful than the average human is the literal embodiment of it's ideology so of course it would like that.
You introduced me to this game and now I'm obsessed w it😂I'm so impressed by your skills I've died 100s of times and just recently made it to the first save point. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get to Moonless without breaking both my legs jumping down that pit. Thinking about trying some of the other games you stream as well
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it is interesting that true god of fearn and hunger might either implies person is the god of fear and hunger but as person say ''i did not create the dungeons. they created me. Therefore you fight god of funger and when you win TRUE god of funger acknowledges you. or person is the true god of funger and such a being is mrely a construct of the dungeons that somehow occured naturally.
Kinda late to the party and I didn´t play F&H2 so I might be far off, my interpretation is that perhaps the S ending here isn´t an illusion technically, its reality but with a giant twist, the True God of Fear & Hunger "creates" the S ending. What do I mean? so apparently the Old Gods don´t exist anymore, and humans enter the dungeon to go to Ma´habre to become new Gods, to change reality, that´s Le´garde´s goal, when we defeat Francóis the text says the order the new Gods kept crumbles down and the remnants of their reign quickly are forgotten, like us ending his life also ends his influence in culture, even erase him of peoples minds, once he is removed from the throne, he is removed from the world, and the other way around, whatever gets to the Void can shape reality, like once Le´garde becomes a God he say we will escape the dungeon one way or another, even if we defeat him his desire becomes true because he "loves us uncontinionally", imagine the Void came before, and the world above grow from it, kinda like the roots from a tree. When Le´garde, the protagonist or the New Gods reach the Void they become more powerful, creating a new "them", far more powerful than a normal human but still not even close to the Old Gods, this new "them" is like a new avatar of themselves, that will go "outside" and influence the world, but their reach is still limited since they come from humans, meanwhile the God of F&H (the one born from The Girl) rivals the Old Gods, their paradigm ships the world to brings a new era, without going to the void, going outside to fight or form a religion like we do if we get the D ending, they harness the darkness to usher something new, "how" its probably beyond human comprehension, perhaps is related to that thing Gro-goroth mentions about "think about the perfect shape of fear and destruction, the one everyone shares"? anyway since the new God "acknowledges our suffering" after the battle, talks about how our character already though that this was a one-way trip and to embrace the inevitable, perhaps they shift the new world based on the protagonist current desire, to die peacefuly but still having an essential role in the scheme of things. While the True God of F&H "awknowledge us" and give the protagonist their idea of an "S ending", better than the other endings but darkly realistic, since they come from the minds of the characters that survive the dungeon, so with this ideas, Cahara becomes rich but lives paranoid, D´arce finds a twisted way of being with Le´garde, Enki doesn´t become a god but at least he will get more knowledge than the rest of mortals, and Ragnvaldr will hunt creatures of the darkness. Kinda like the dialogue D´arce and Le´garde have when next to the throne, something along "you know those virtues don´t exist here, this place taints everything it touches" "can such a grand thing be founded in rotten foundations?" so of course the S endings our protagonist get are...not the happiest
Wow! That is intriguing! True and false endings, new and old gods... the whole thing is a storytelling masterpiece of horrific design. I didnt realize there was a hidden fight w "True" Fear and Hunger that led up to S-Ending. I mean, whose to say "Person" didnt just assume their form to live out S-Ending? That would be my theory. Its wicked. Noticing some of the jumbled tiles reminds me- when working in RPG Maker, sometimes tiles that arent in a tileset anymore or have been changed/ modified in the system, appears as other tiles. I thought that was interesting bc there mayve been a design choice which excluded the level. Otherwise, my last thought, is I noticed bugs and what have you crawling about. Does Talk w/ Insects provide any additional information in this setting? Id be curious to know if it differs. Fascinating discovery- ty for sharing Frapollo! : D
Frapollo will milk all the fear and hunger juice to the last bit of it, and i'm gonna love it.
Thanks! You're in for a long ride!
This aint milk, this...substance smells like public toilets, its taste is salty and its...sticky? Is this milk spoiled or something?
Bro is fungry
Frapollo after waiting 300+ years to make content for funger 2 “he just like le’garde fr
Milk it harder than the cave mother
Well, this feels like a creepy pasta, and I love stuff like this in games
Happy you got those vibes!
@@frapollo94 well I grew up with creepy pastas, and I can say this feels like on at first glance, strange how fitting a creepy pasta is for fear and hunger
this is so accurate holy shit
Same, I like it
The Person could be basically kind of Miro's self-insert. Maybe in initial versions of the game he wanted to have some avatar of himself as an interactable character, but he abandoned this idea later during the development. That would explain both The Person being "the TRUE god of fear and hunger" (the one who literally created the game) as well as refering to "the popular belief that I created the dungeon (...)"
I think you are right, I got this interpretation as well while I was watching the video.
Plus I think Miro also goes by the username "Orange", and The Person is orange
Yeah that's what I was thinking as well actually. Hopefully that doesn't mean that he witnessed the death of his father
Well he speaks about football and gasmasks things that don't exist in times and place when and where FaH 1 happened
I thought the same thing.
Secret Moonless S ending: the Dog of Fear and Hunger
The dog (god) of ultrapeaceful
How comes the game has freaking Crow mauler as a pyramid head equivament, and no moonless ending?
I remember reading Miro said something along the lines that the games were a reflection of everyone's collective trauma, in the most oppressive atmosphere possible. I think this was intended to be a very literal reading of his intentions and maybe was scrapped for being too on the nose ("we are all the god of fear and hunger"). Great deep dive and archival work, I love this kind of stuff.
Hmmm that's interesting! I may look more into it, maybe there will be a part 2, who knows!
I was going to comment this, it seems very meta, like its coming from the outside and hinting at breaking the 4th wall. I was more leaning towards it being a self insert, as in the ideas that he has leading too him creating the game is a stare into the void too long and the void stares back kinda situation.
Frapolo realy went full " banned spongebob episode " with this one , good job my man
Thanks!
I personally think there was supposed to be an ending about alll-mer and that the husk dialogue was about his backstory and why he became a god. Even though alll-mer is supposed to be a fiction representation of jesus christ, i can believe that the dungeon is supposed to represent his tomb as you can find alll-mers skeleton and the husk is the person who created it to seal him in there. Just a little waffle and theory but thats the fun of it!
That's a cool theory! If the Husk represented Alll mer he would be surely even more godly than he already is!
@@frapollo94 mauthedog theorized that all mer is actually gro goroth that has died and ascended twice , first by becoming a new god and second by ascending and it was honestly pretty convincing since the sun god is the true mastermind of termina
Another way to examine this theory is that, the core tenant of Christianity is to assume that Christ arose on the third day from the tomb, say his goodbyes, and join His place as the right hand of the Father. However, with Allmer trapped in the tomb and dungeon, this assumes his ascension isn't complete as the Messiah. If Mahabre is an alternate Rome where the Polytheistic gods still roam while Allmer is dormant, the new gods are taking advantage of the power vacuum as Mahabre collapsed from its own weight, and Gothic culture became the new Western standard of thought. At least one of the new gods is as recent as the Spanish Conquistadors, meaning the dungeons were never truly abandoned. Seeing as the miracles of waterwalking and wine transmutation can also be found within the dungeon but don't exist outside, Gro-Goroth we now know hid Allmer away to keep their foothold over ruling the world, but is only a reflection of Allmer's power. The world could only wait so long before a new messiah is made, so Le'Garde was meant to take his place, but the Little Girl has more in common with Allmer than Le'Garde. However, since she's too young, she can't ascend without help and can only be manipulated by false prophets.
Or, y'know, Miro is the "person" saying that Funger came to him in a dream and he was destined to work on it whether he liked it or not. "It's an evil message, but it had to be said."
A creepypasta of Fear & Hunger would be that the game has all explicit content both visual and verbal censored and all enemies look and are friendly.
I am 110% sure of the father funeral story thing having some kind of relation to the Vile given he too is randomly spraying pesticide on fish in Termina but whether that's super secret hidden lore or just a repurposed concept, it seems more likely to be the latter
Yeah I just wanted to specify it isn't only that!
Damn, all this creepy weird stuff is so intriguing. I hope something similar will occur in Termina too!
If I find something interesting like MAP131 sure!
Around 2:27 the dialogue about gas and fish remind me of Vile from Termina
Edit me stoopid and commented before seeing all the video
Damn coming from my usual band of Souls community, you guys are wholesome as fuck godamn.
Thanks for being nice, know that shouldn't be complimented but at this point it's the only thing to encourage it outside of people just wanting to be nice.
It's a nice change of pace. @charleshastings7260
Frapollo whispering into the microphone for framatic effect was nkt what I came here for, but what I needed to boost my mood.
I hope he never stops finding new things in this game
5:00 I don't think the Vile is a coincidence. The Vile isn't only spreading gas, but he also is SPRAYING GAS ON FISH
Despite that there is still the false gods part and the presence of person in gauntlet! We may meet in the middle and say that it isn't only a vile reference!
@@frapollo94 That's true! Love your content man :)
D'arce's Ensing S is called the TRUE GOD OF FEAR & HUNGER where she ritualistically resurrects L'garde after his torturous demise, who underwent a mystic metamorphosis, returning as a demoniac skinless ghoul, who would herald doom and terror upon the world. I wonder, if the True God of Fear & Hunger is a remnant of these old ideas. The Tormented One being summoned from L'gard's sacrifice, referencial to the Hellriser / Hellbound Heart rituals that inspired its skinless appearance. Maybe, the Dungeons were akin to the physical form of an Old One, before conceptualizing properly the God of the Depths [the canonical engineer of the Dungeons, and an insutrumental entity in the transcendance of The Girl into the God of F&H. Miro must have re written several drafts of this already abstract process.
Yeah that's a good theory! I didn't include that as imo the narrator speaking is different than an ending title, I think the narrator is omniscent while title are just cool things!
There is also the ida that lgarde was suposed be a playable chararter from the start, I wonder if the A endng was suposed to be his S ending were Lgarde die as the true god of fear and hunger was his daughter all along but change when the whole yellow king storyline enter the fray and used the "fake amnesia" storyline to move him from friend to foe
I think true God ending is referencing a very close similarity to the story of what sylvian and gro goroth did.
Well, I wouldn't say that just because few aspects changed with The Vile, that his behaviour is just a coincidence.
Ideas obviously evolve, and this was likely created during very early stages of Funger.
And Termina actually features a lot of throwbacks to the past, some of the artworks originate from Miro's work that happened years before even the first Funger. So I think it's almost certain what Husk said here, eventually became the idea for The Vile.
In fact I don't think it is a coincidence just because of the different Vile Aspect, but also because of the moment in time Person was created, and the fact it also made it to Level 9 chamber!
I've seen this map before, Ive always like that Miro included a creepypasta in the game files.
I think that the battle against the torment one in the demo is just the first idea of Miro about Le gard, but he doesnt like it at all so just recicle the design of the torment one and make le gard an posible ally. And used the descarted idea for the S ending of D'arce
Detective Frappo at it again!! Listening to the broken bgm sound sure are giving a whole new creepy factor to the already creepy game.
Happy you're enjoying it!
This video was insane. The editing, the writing, the visuals, are all on point. Hope to see more like this
Wow happy you liked it that much!
how does this game keep getting better the more i hear about it
That's what happens when a game has so much content that you'll potentially never know everything!
It's truly incredible how many mysteries this game hides. Thank god (of fear and hunger) we have Frapollo to uncover them
I love seeing what's left over in the files of a game from previous versions, really makes me wonder how different the overall story could have been with this aspect included.
You might not like phase shift much but it was MADE for finding secrets like this.
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Just a mention that could have something to do with the theory, there is a reference to a "True God of Fear and Hunger" in the game... D'arce's S Ending is named "The True God of Fear and Hunger"
Oh I thought about that! The reason I didn't include it is because I think narrator speaking is different from an ending title! I think we can't take literally what's written in ending titles!
@@frapollo94 So... I had a thought, a pretty dumb one, but I had fun thinking: What it the Discarded Ending was supposed to be related to D'arce's S Ending? Like, if you did something else besides just having Rebirth of the Beloved, or if you didn't have enough Affinity with Sylvian, it caused the spell to fail partially, creating something else entirely. In this case, a new Le'garde. He does say "I'm a God!" when he revives, so what if he was being literal in this ending? He was somewhat of "created by the dungeons" (The reborn Le'garde, since he was revived in the Dungeons), and after seeing what she had done, D'arce just outright went mad and disappeared within the Dungeons, in a Rumider-like fashion, and the new Le'garde stayed in the Dungeons as the True God of Fear and Hunger
Of course, this is just a silly theory that's easily debunked, but hey, I had fun thinking about this
@@marcelovieira519 Let remenber the idea tha legarde was suposed to be a playable chararter before he become a reclutable one, maybe that feature in the whole thing.
Incredible video! The demo is one of my favorite bits surrounding the first game. Miros headspace at the time and the sheer amount of cut content leaves so much to the imagination.. incredible find!
Completely agree!
Awesome video and great sleuth work Frap :)
The whole video style with the altered voice over from you voicing 'Person' really gave me like, nostalgic vibes from old 'creepy' videos from eons ago, the theory for the ending is also rather sound I'd say, the whole 'We never left, this is an illusion' etc
Thank you so much! I'm happy you appreciated those aspects, it means I really was able to achieve something with this!
I think it might be a prototipe for a different game or place where the creator juat put stuff he might want to use. For one i don't think they would talk about football in the fear and hunger setting, that conversation is probably from an older time period like in termina. The dialogue where he talks about creating the dungeon could be the creator himself speaking through a character, lots of people try to say that fear and hunger has unnecessary evil whoch could elude to the "its an evil message but it has to be said".
Frappy is a big brain investor. Spends $8 in a game and uses it to produce 100's of UA-cam videos for even more $$$. STONKS
Yeah the concept of illusion is very simple yet it opens up so many possibilities!
YES, I was hoping you'd cover it ever since I stumbled on a different video showing it off!
Nice! Hope you enjoy it!
You know I actually do feel like this particular ending suggested is actually still the canon ending, similar to how Kentaro Muira had to retcon the chapter involving what is known as God in their world, Miro may also have put something into the game out of reference or similar issue that he might have instead built up a whole endgame for Fear and Hunger overall.
Also made me think; the faceless figure resembles a lot of appearances to the face used for the God of the Depths.
In addition, the Tormented One gives us his soul at the end of the fight in the first game when you fight his true self. But you can also fight him in the second game, and in this instance he died twice in physical form. And the sequel doesn't grant you the Tormented Soul through fighting him either, so it feels like there's something else going on there, since the first game you can indeed get multiple of the main souls of the plot and the Hexen.
Those are interesting points! It has to be explored more!
I want to know why person and his father were spraying gas on fish
You did a great job tackling this new style and tone of content, would defintely love to see more videos about Fear and Hunger theories and mythology! I think the idea of a 'true' god of the dungeons is such an interesting concept as even when you fight the reminants of the old gods your ability to win a gruelling fight is predicated on the idea of them growing bored and giving up. Just how much more powerful would this creator be?
Happy you liked it! Yeah I may give this more shots in the future, but still yeah I think person could potentially be the strongest entity of the dungeon at this point!
Its funny you bring the idea that the S endings are illusions when this "person" kills the whole party, because i always had the theory ALL S ending are cannon, including cahara even if someone has to be sacraficed for the A ending.
I felt like the GoF&H was born thanks to cahara and she did kill him, but she gave the illusion that he made it out, and played out his life, as if he made it out with wealth. which is why he fears the darkness in his S ending and carries trauma moreso then the others. Its because the darkness is his actual fate, and even in this ideal dream world he is still in the depth where the GoF&H is.
Yeah illusion is a very simple concept but it opens so many possibilities in the universe!
Welp, that was unsettling. At first i just thought that it might just be stuff that was forgotten to be taken out like the debug tiles, but to have such dialog in it as well... It's hard to imagine it just being stuff forgotten to be removed.
But i do think its best to remember that this stuff is not really in the position to be deemed canon, considering how one can't access this place naturally.
(and i should get back to watching that vod. Hopefully this time i won't be distracted for a while, lol.)
Of course this stuff isn't canon unfortunately! That's why it may be a discarded ending the dev had in mind, but that didn't integrate well with the others!
Quick addendum. One idea that just popped into my head is that maybe this is all part of the demo storyline, or whatever it was meant to become. Those person's are in the same room as the "False Idols" after all.
Also, man you respond quickly. Didn't even have time to post this addendum before you answered, heh.
Seems like cut content to me, an idea for an ending that didn't quite play out correctly. The faceless could just be a placeholder sprite.
The line about creating the dungeon could mean it’s related to the god of the depths
Rag says these dungeons are the shifting organs of that god I believe
Ottimo video non ho parole, mi ha dato una vibe leggera alla creepy games veramente i miei complimenti frapollo
Awww grazie mille! All'inizio avrebbe dovuto essere un video "allegro" come gli altri, ma poi ho pensato di fare....questo!
it's obviously discarded content, but damn, it feels kinda... artistic, in some aspect.
the corrupted but finished music, the random tilemap, the faceless françoises. Its kinda of artistic fr xd
It is! I completely agree! Also just to precise, Person isn't a faceless Francois, it's a husk of the laboratory!
its funny because this kinda ties into a theroy about the sulfur god and all-mer kinda that when all mer ascended that another god was also created and so when the god of fear and hunger was created it was not the true god but just the whispers of it and the other god created was "hidden" from others etc. idk if that makes sense im tired
Huh it may be interesting to investigate more about that!
Your dedication to the game is truly inspiring and admirable. Thank you, Frapollo! I literally got chills from how you narrate the dialogues, especially the last one
Awww I'm so happy you liked that part! It was a lot of fun!
Now my mind is terrified and lost in fear and uncertainty. What actually happened in this dungeon of Rondon? What was behind the scene? What was we? New gods? Bringers of god of Fear and Hunger? Or we were just a puppets walking and dying or being lost in outskirts of history that was really created and which we didn't saw or were unable to understand? If such monstrosities as Gro'goroth and Sylvian were created and saw by human eye, what else can exist in this world and unreachable for human eyes or mind? Dungeons of Fear and Hunger is just a tip of an iceberg of what actually hidden from our eyes underground, and we better not even try to reveal something that lies beneath.
the person is clearly the developer
I think that maybe person could be the god of the depths, being created from the darkness but people thinking he created it.
That's a possibility!
I mean who knows maybe the dev works on implementing that or rather expanding on that what is in the game at some point, maybe sometime after working on termina and I really like the theory it was very interesting to listen to^^
Thanks! Happy you liked it!
This is such a cool theory, the whole “the *true* god of fear and hunger acknowledges you” line is terrifying, the omnipotent god you couldnt even scratch, was just a phony
I'd love to see a canon version of what miro wanted to do with this entity!
creepypasta video vibes lmao i love it
Happy you're feeling those vibes! I tried to go for that road!
Maybe person was an Architect who built the dungeon before the incident in which it turned into what it is today. Maybe wanted to revive his father so he tried to contact the gods in which they created THE dungeon we know today and creating an entrance to mahabre? We know the person says "contrary to popular belief I did not create these dungeons, they created me"
After more research this theory is wrong, the dungeons were created before people shortly after mahabre
I'm not sure if it has been mentioned but just contextually, this might be another Berserk reference?
I'm not gonna say what happens in it but this information might be a potential spoiler. there's a famous/infamous berserk chapter that, after publication (and im paraphrasing here) Miura thought it hampered things about the story, so the chapter doesn't appear in volume releases, and much of what it features is considered non-canon. the dialogue of the faceless person reading "I did not create these dungeons, they created me, what you see is me reflecting them" in Fear & Hunger is similar and has a similar context to how it's used in that lost chapter of Berserk. Maybe there's even a small playfulness in the idea that a lost room in F&H mirrors a lost berserk chapter, which could indicate a reading on how to interpret this room
Oh I think I didn't arrive to that part in berserk! I stopped after golden age! Or maybe I just don't remember, but interesting!
@@frapollo94 the chapter is actually part of the Golden Age arc, its Chapter 83 (if you see chapter guides and volumes, youl'd see they jump from chapter 82 straight to 84), though as a personal opinion, it does make sense that this chapter should be read at a later point, like around the chapter 200 mark
Orange is now panicking someone found his secret stash.
Lol imagine
you know, that final battle makes me wonder why the god of fear and hunger resembles the husks in both texture and color. it looks like an advanced form of husk, kinda?
I love this video! Its cool that someone is putting so much attention in to this game it definitely deserves it! Props to you my dude for once again being the real MVP!!!
Thank you!
"and you where skeleton and WROTE THIS!!"
Gotta say, your presentation of this was amazing!
It really put me on edge, even though I was listening to it while cooking dinner
Thanks!
This video feels like those documentary-type deep dives into obscure gaming ARGs in the same vein as MyHouse.WAD, and I'm all here for it.
On a completely unrelated note, what's the music track you use for your outros?
Thanks! Outro music is black souls - battle of wonderland!
@@frapollo94 Thanks right back at you!
DAW, THE “PERSON” ENDING UP BEING YOU (theoretically) IS SO F’N INSANE TO ME
LITERAL SHIVERS BEHIND MY NECK
Have to say this is one of my favourite videos I love the lore based look it takes
Keep up the great work Frap
Thank you so much! I may do something similar if i Find other interesting topics!
Maybe Person was going to be the God of the Depths?
Person says that they did not make the dungeons but the dungeons made them, which reminds me of how the God of the Depths is explained to change the layout of the dungeon. Maybe it was going to be an explanation of how the God of the Depths came to be?
The God of the Depths is called a god, but is not treated like any of the ones we hear of. It’s only really treated as one by the cave dwellers. When asked in battle what god you serve, it’s not one of the options (Raer isn’t either though to be fair).
The coloration of Person reminds me of the God of the Depths’ mouth. They’re both that sickly yellow color.
Just my take 🤷
Interesting!
another correlation with the vile is the fact that it is spraying fish with pesticides, its definitely related
Maybe, but it's not only that for sure!
5:37 Have you tried talking with bugs in that map?
iirc they don't say anything special, but imma try! Who knows, maybe there will be enough material for a part 2!
This is immensely fascinating
Wonderful work again
Thanks!
Did someone ask Miro about this? Personally i think this is really interesting topic and theres not much info on it. Someone probably should ask his opinion.
Honestly while this is super interesting, the idea of the girl not being the true god is super lame to me lmao
Why lame?
The true god of fear and hunger is the dungeon we delves along the way
Ey ey ey, slow down. It's slowly going to turn into a creepy pasta.
That's what I wanted!
Interesting theory and your voice is very good for it. I wonder if there is
similar map in termina
Happy you liked the tone I made! It seemed more appropriate to me for this type of video than my usual one!
Everyday I love your content more!
Awww thanks!
If I were making a game (although I am not that talented lol), I would have this be part of an ending like Ending E where you think you walk out of the dungeons, but you end up right back at the entrance. You go inside and there are these husks. Proceed with creepypasta ending. Also I never knew about the husk standing there at 10:30, whoah! For real??
Didn't even watch the video yet but I already know it's good
Awww thanks! Enjoy!
2:40 wait a mo... vile?
Literally what i thought
I cant tell if this is creepy pasta or actual ingame code that somewhat fits narratively since previous videos have mentioned these skipped battles and endings
This is in game code! I narrated it in a way to recreate a sort of story for it to seem a creepypasta!
@@frapollo94 damn your skills were good enough for me to not even realise if you were acting or not
I love watching your videos man! Thank you so much for always making great content 🙏🏼
I’m excited for when you start making videos on Termina!
Thank you so much!
Love this video, you went trough so much trouble to gather all the info but it was worth it in the end! Great job!
Thanks!
Great editing on this one!
Awww thanks!
amazing work as usual frap! really had me on edge with the narration even if it is just a silly little theory kinda like an arg or a creepypasta. well maybe not so silly now that i think of all the research you did haha...
i'm waiting for the next lisa the painful stream
Thanks for the support! See ya on thursday!
The only bad thing about F&H 1 is that it ENDS!
We need more content of it, way more content, I can't stop wishing for more from this game.
Fear and hunger will NEVER end! There will always be new stories!
Reckon you might consider making a mod to explore the discontinued ending?
Hmmmmmm we will see!
"Its an evil message,but it has to be said" I love that phrase! Its so underrated!
the s ending of d'arc is named the true god of fear and hunger or some reason
Just a cool name I think!
Doesn't d'arce S ending refer to legrade as the true God of fear and hungry
I don't buy that, it's just reflecting the state of mind of Le'garde
I’ve been craving for more fear and hunger lore and story, so I flipping love this video. Can’t imagine how long it took to put this theory all together but, it a awesome theory that fits with the really well fear and hunger game❤
Glad to know you liked it my friend!
it feels like a creepypasta! cool!
Yesss I appreciate you saying that, I tried to recreate that feeling!
Bae wake up new frapollo just dropped
Enjoy!
This version of the song is an APSOLUTE BANGER, I need it on my playlist
Frapollo finding a simple silly file and realizing he can find a whole fuckin videos worth of content
Fear & Hunger demo on gamejolt: stonks
3:16 Again I think this is a Premonition from F&H2: Termina? The laughing cackle and sigh/moan I think its referrencing Stitches, cause it said under the basement or something, Stitches is found under a bunker etc and she takes people to become a part for thr human centipede or perfrct flesh
That sounds like a creepypasta
I like that
Hell yeah!
the editing and writing was phenomenal, thank you for sharing this theory!
Thank you so much! Yeah no worries I'm happier if I know my content helps you relax!
didn't ragnvaldr say the god of the depths controls the dungeons and IS the dungeons themselves? also for the "true" god of fear & hunger thing, i think it's talking about the idea of the ideology of fear & hunger which exists in the green hue just like every other idea in human existence. and it would make sense that it would acknowledge you because you delving into the dungeons and coming out more powerful than the average human is the literal embodiment of it's ideology so of course it would like that.
You introduced me to this game and now I'm obsessed w it😂I'm so impressed by your skills I've died 100s of times and just recently made it to the first save point. Now I'm trying to figure out how to get to Moonless without breaking both my legs jumping down that pit. Thinking about trying some of the other games you stream as well
You're welcome my friend! F&H is a game of knowledge, the more you learn, the stronger you will be!
How could i possibly pay atention to the theory when frapollo is talking like that into my ears? 🥵
I wanted to create a tone more dark for this!
bro's like gaster of fear & hunger frfr
lmao true
Who is the bald woman holding the baby? I haven't found that encounter
She's an image made by the dev of Nilvan
POV: After Zeb89 create a fake ending of Sad Satan and fill your computer with viruses for downloading his own version of the game, you find yourself watching this video doubting about everything
LMAO I remember that video! But you can verify everything I said here by opening your game project file with rpgmaker!
I am begging for Termina content
In the future my friend!
it is interesting that true god of fearn and hunger might either implies person is the god of fear and hunger but as person say ''i did not create the dungeons. they created me. Therefore you fight god of funger and when you win TRUE god of funger acknowledges you. or person is the true god of funger and such a being is mrely a construct of the dungeons that somehow occured naturally.
Man that music is so unnerving. Anyone got any clue how to find and potentially download it?
I think there's no official release
@@frapollo94:(
Was that music actually in the game? because even with how unnerving this game is i cant imagine a track that distorted in the game
This track is only present in this map!
good video Frapp i love your content cuz it entertains forever. Time for an Italian thank you.
Awww time for an italian You're welcome my friend!
@@frapollo94 You're welcome too 'Caro amigo'
I love Frapollo's videos.
I love you too!
Kinda late to the party and I didn´t play F&H2 so I might be far off, my interpretation is that perhaps the S ending here isn´t an illusion technically, its reality but with a giant twist, the True God of Fear & Hunger "creates" the S ending. What do I mean? so apparently the Old Gods don´t exist anymore, and humans enter the dungeon to go to Ma´habre to become new Gods, to change reality, that´s Le´garde´s goal, when we defeat Francóis the text says the order the new Gods kept crumbles down and the remnants of their reign quickly are forgotten, like us ending his life also ends his influence in culture, even erase him of peoples minds, once he is removed from the throne, he is removed from the world, and the other way around, whatever gets to the Void can shape reality, like once Le´garde becomes a God he say we will escape the dungeon one way or another, even if we defeat him his desire becomes true because he "loves us uncontinionally", imagine the Void came before, and the world above grow from it, kinda like the roots from a tree. When Le´garde, the protagonist or the New Gods reach the Void they become more powerful, creating a new "them", far more powerful than a normal human but still not even close to the Old Gods, this new "them" is like a new avatar of themselves, that will go "outside" and influence the world, but their reach is still limited since they come from humans, meanwhile the God of F&H (the one born from The Girl) rivals the Old Gods, their paradigm ships the world to brings a new era, without going to the void, going outside to fight or form a religion like we do if we get the D ending, they harness the darkness to usher something new, "how" its probably beyond human comprehension, perhaps is related to that thing Gro-goroth mentions about "think about the perfect shape of fear and destruction, the one everyone shares"? anyway since the new God "acknowledges our suffering" after the battle, talks about how our character already though that this was a one-way trip and to embrace the inevitable, perhaps they shift the new world based on the protagonist current desire, to die peacefuly but still having an essential role in the scheme of things. While the True God of F&H "awknowledge us" and give the protagonist their idea of an "S ending", better than the other endings but darkly realistic, since they come from the minds of the characters that survive the dungeon, so with this ideas, Cahara becomes rich but lives paranoid, D´arce finds a twisted way of being with Le´garde, Enki doesn´t become a god but at least he will get more knowledge than the rest of mortals, and Ragnvaldr will hunt creatures of the darkness.
Kinda like the dialogue D´arce and Le´garde have when next to the throne, something along "you know those virtues don´t exist here, this place taints everything it touches" "can such a grand thing be founded in rotten foundations?" so of course the S endings our protagonist get are...not the happiest
Wow! That is intriguing! True and false endings, new and old gods... the whole thing is a storytelling masterpiece of horrific design.
I didnt realize there was a hidden fight w "True" Fear and Hunger that led up to S-Ending. I mean, whose to say "Person" didnt just assume their form to live out S-Ending? That would be my theory. Its wicked.
Noticing some of the jumbled tiles reminds me- when working in RPG Maker, sometimes tiles that arent in a tileset anymore or have been changed/ modified in the system, appears as other tiles. I thought that was interesting bc there mayve been a design choice which excluded the level.
Otherwise, my last thought, is I noticed bugs and what have you crawling about. Does Talk w/ Insects provide any additional information in this setting? Id be curious to know if it differs.
Fascinating discovery- ty for sharing Frapollo! : D
Someone pointed out to talk with insects, but unfortunately I wasn't able to find anything relevant! Still thank you so much for your support!
The god of Basic Template Ending
Imma correct you, the TRUE god of Basic Template !
@@frapollo94 nice! He erases your face, then he makes you T-pose and you die