HSE: The Aspects PT. III PT. IV - Mutable Aspects

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    Hey guys! In Part four of the Aspect Zodiac theory exploration, we look at the "Mutable" Aspects which relate to changeable elements one's experience of reality, with Hope & Rage describing one's perspective on life and reality, and thus their feelings about them. Life and Doom partly describe one's status in society and potential power over or constraints under it's systems.
    Got a favorite among the four? Feel like you learned anything about them in this video?
    Let me know in the comments!
    Read the original Aspect Zodiac theory, by Arrghus:
    Main Theory:
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    Cardinal Aspects:
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    Fixed Aspects:
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    Mutable Aspects:
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  • @somegirl4260
    @somegirl4260 4 роки тому +328

    Assuming life is linked to the cherubs puts an interesting light on the doom symbol resembling a dark green skull....

    • @-kenik9629
      @-kenik9629 4 роки тому +32

      The doom symbol also symbolizes The Tumor though, which in a way kind of fits with the skull within the aspect. A skull is from something already dead, and The Tumor is literally a world-ending explosive. Dead and soon to die, lost and soon forgotten. Morality having little meaning because of a distinct absense of true power; true control over the world.
      Bah, I'm rambling again.

    • @gnostaoticanarchangautalch4225
      @gnostaoticanarchangautalch4225 4 роки тому +28

      I JUST HAD A REVELATION ABOUT THE RED AND GREEN LIFE PARALLELS! *_THEY ARE THE TWO MOST COMMON HEALTH BAR COLORS!_*

    • @milkjug4237
      @milkjug4237 4 роки тому +3

      I will never stop thinking it's just a pair of tentabulges

    • @ariana7547
      @ariana7547 4 роки тому +1

      @@milkjug4237 hgfghfhhfg

    • @LeonineGoner
      @LeonineGoner 3 роки тому +1

      @@-kenik9629 now, i'm a doom, and i'm extremely scared-

  • @skittles8991
    @skittles8991 4 роки тому +191

    Makes sense that Kurloz has a muted aspect

  • @tidecovill6718
    @tidecovill6718 4 роки тому +191

    I think the duality for life might be closer to “care for others” vs “care for yourself”, or just, who you put your energy into caring for

    • @tidecovill6718
      @tidecovill6718 4 роки тому +15

      Luigicat11 well, frick. I guess you’re right. Passive vs active life actions do seem particularly polarized

    • @ebentaylor
      @ebentaylor 4 роки тому +23

      This is exactly what I've always imagined it as. Jane's flip-flopping between "doormat" and "dominatrix" backs this theory up quite well.

  • @j.v.echobear3647
    @j.v.echobear3647 4 роки тому +246

    I personally believe that Life as an aspect doesn't really have much to do with finality, or at least not bringing things to an end. Space seems to be an aspect of beginnings, and Doom one of endings, but Life is everything inbetween, what's what's inbetween it all right? Life.
    The Life aspect characters connected to finales and endings are the ones that are "Thief of Life", which means their classpect leans towards taking away the aspect which is the continuation of something. To make this more clear if we look at the other Life players, we see their powers specifically lean towards helping others continue on, and continue living. Both Feferi and Jane have Resurrection powers, which is a total reversal of the idea of finality. Plus Jane doesn't seem to be heavily tied to or the cause of any major finality as far as I remember.

    • @ahva2280
      @ahva2280 4 роки тому +36

      Feferi also negotiates the dreambubble afterlife, a total refusal of the end of life.

    • @codenamejinza
      @codenamejinza 4 роки тому +25

      And Meenah, by stealing the lives of her friends, ensured that they'd all continue on in the Dreambubbles.

    • @ahva2280
      @ahva2280 4 роки тому +7

      @@codenamejinza That is a nice observation. I didn't think of that. Good job.

    • @j.v.echobear3647
      @j.v.echobear3647 4 роки тому +6

      @@ahva2280 While I think there still would be an afterlife without the dream bubbles (as karkat dreaming with his dead dream self seemed to end up with the non-dream bubble horror terror area. As well as ghost Aradia being a thing before sgrub even started), It still fits strong on continuation thematics since it continues their afterlives just as they remembered their original lives through their memories.

    • @lordbuss
      @lordbuss 4 роки тому +1

      Interestingly, BKEW described the connection between Space and Time to beginnings and ends.

  • @user-sf8du1iv9e
    @user-sf8du1iv9e 4 роки тому +69

    I always interpreted doom and rage as forms of destruction, doom being passive and slow destruction through decay, and rage being active destruction through violence and direct manipulation. And I think life and hope are very accurate counterparts to this.

    • @schpungus
      @schpungus Рік тому +1

      Yo, I'm a Lord of Doom. We can be as destructive and explosive as we want, we literally embody the end of things. It can happen however we want.

    • @ecogreen123
      @ecogreen123 Рік тому +1

      i like this interpretation, it honestly check out.

  • @topazbennett95
    @topazbennett95 4 роки тому +93

    I find the idea of linking Life to a snakes and specifically Cherubs to be a very interesting notion. Given how Hope is that of a Cherub's wings and Doom is a skull surrounded quite blatantly by Cherub green, I have to wonder if all of the Mutable Aspects are in some way linked to Cherubs. After all, Gamzee and Kurloz, both Rage Bound, are confined to a cult that believes in the resurrection of Lord English and his Mirthful Messiah. So could it be that each of these aspects represents a fundamental piece of Cherubs? Are these particular aspects just strongly tied to Cherub Culture? Is this why Gamzee shows up in that one Zillyhoo flash? If I may reach even further, is the reason why a Rage Bound like Gamzee was chosen to bring Lord English into existence because Rage may be tied to more negatively charged Cherubs like Caliborn? Is a Hope Bound being prophesied to defeat Lord English connected to more positively charged Cherubs like Callie?
    Just something to ponder.

    • @VoidHugger
      @VoidHugger 4 роки тому +15

      All of that would make complete sense!
      I think we could even look at how cherub's think and how their "society" works to parse that out further
      The malevolent cherubs think in terms of Rage, seeking destruction and negativity, while the benevolent cherubs think in terms of Hope, seeking peace and positivity
      Weirdly, Alt!Calliope seems tied to the Doom aspect, as she's concerned with the death of Lord English and the end of the Alpha Timeline, while Caliborn and Lord English are tied to Life as they strive for eternal life and thus eternal destruction
      Cherub "society" and "culture" is a gross mixture of Hope and Rage, since they have a strange fixation on the Zilly stuff and Jujus which seem very Hope-y, as they're in the realm of imagination and belief, but also very Rage-y, since Jujus and the zilly-sucker and culture are all very contrived and confusing.
      That could all be a reach but it's interesting regardless

    • @casriaAmarel
      @casriaAmarel 4 роки тому +1

      I like these connections very much, and I'm tempted to save them.

  • @PocketDeerBoy
    @PocketDeerBoy 4 роки тому +48

    I feel like you can actually tie a lot of symbols to the cherubs. Space and time are obvious. Doom and hope? The cherub’s skull and the cherub’s wings. Blood? Calliope and Caliborn’s blood change color when their minds swap, and they type in the color of the blood of the cherub they predominate. I wonder what other symbols you could tie to them. Since they are the most powerful entities in paradox space, i think it’d make sense that they borrow symbols of all the aspects.

    • @innaarent1185
      @innaarent1185 3 роки тому +5

      Heart and mind also change for cherubs
      Breath refers to speach and the way a cherub speaks also changes
      The symbol for rage Looks Like a face and it literaly has swirls on its cheeks

    • @FaeriePrince
      @FaeriePrince 2 роки тому

      Well, it's stated in the comic itself that the cherubs draw from the the core forces of paradox space while mating, whether it be the concept of "Do as you wish," and/or the the aspects, AKA: the building block particles of reality.

  • @milanesadearsenico
    @milanesadearsenico 4 роки тому +22

    As a Rogue of Doom I always wait for someone to finally talk about the Doom aspect

    • @VoidHugger
      @VoidHugger 4 роки тому +8

      It's interesting that it's so downplayed in the comic, because I think that's just the nature of Doom!
      Doom players tend to exhaust their energy in big, monumental outbursts like Sollux moving the meteor, so once their energy is expended they resign themselves to the default Doom player stance of watching events from afar
      Again we see that with Mituna, he changed the course of Doom with one single act that fried both his brain and his powers, leaving him to sit back and watch things happen from there.
      Both of those examples may just be specific to the Captors, as well as their classes' interactions with Doom, but they're illuminating anyways

  • @vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450
    @vicenteisaaclopezvaldez2450 4 роки тому +52

    I actually wanna see if the aspects have a triadic relationship, like: mind-blood-light, or breath-void-heart

    • @ooopsitsspirit1941
      @ooopsitsspirit1941 4 роки тому +1

      Vicente isaac Lopez valdez I don’t think they do tbh

    • @singularity1130
      @singularity1130 4 роки тому +14

      Breath-void-heart: Would have a pretty terrifying Freymotiff, like a soul hurricane that leaves opponents with nothing.
      Mind-blood-light: Sounds like The Machine from Person of Interest. Intelligent, all-knowing and values their relationship with it's creator/friends.

    • @JazzyWaffles
      @JazzyWaffles 4 роки тому +2

      Note that the four possible triadic relationships are all that of the cardinals with either their opposite mutables (for Space and Time) or their opposite fixed aspects (for Blood and Breath).

    • @singularity1130
      @singularity1130 4 роки тому +1

      @@Luigicat11
      Life Rage Space: Rampanent Growth?
      Hope-Time-Doom: Easy Armageddon. Have it play to Angis D from Ace Combat 4 for the sweet holy apocalypse.

  • @TimLimber
    @TimLimber 4 роки тому +15

    I've always seen Life as a circle. It's the state of doing things and moving toward things, getting up and getting what you want. Its energy but the slow build of it. It has no start and has no end its just loops endlessly back in on itself, as when one things ends another begins.

    • @VoidHugger
      @VoidHugger 4 роки тому +3

      That makes a lot of sense, wow
      Since Doom is all about fixed beginnings to fixed endings, Life could easily be linked to cycles and simultaneous death and rebirth
      Which would tie in nicely to the cycle of (for lack of a better term) good-to-bad that the Life players we see go through, as Jane is a good person as a kid, becomes corrupted by Crocker, goes back to being herself, then in the epilogues (spoilers ahead) becomes just a shitty, backstabbing person
      And through the Peixes we see that good-bad cycle again; Feferi is good, Meenah is (typically) bad, and their reciprocation in position across the scratches could be emblematic of the good-to-bad dichotomy

    • @stripedpolkadots8692
      @stripedpolkadots8692 4 роки тому +2

      VoidHugger Thinking about it like that, Lanque makes a lot of sense now!

    • @casriaAmarel
      @casriaAmarel 4 роки тому

      *IT'S THE CIIIIIIIRCLE OF LIIIIIIIFE!!!*

    • @chisathot750
      @chisathot750 4 роки тому

      well enthropy is a thing yaknow

  • @adamlattery6394
    @adamlattery6394 4 роки тому +31

    As a Knight of Doom, I wish you could maybe talk about the powers of aspects like my that aren’t as explained as well in the narrative as well as others like Time and Space.

    • @-kenik9629
      @-kenik9629 4 роки тому +8

      Classpects are stated in the comic as being inherently shaped by the perception of the user in any specific instance, with the nature of the class and aspect each providing more of a scaffold than a ruleset.
      Doom and despair go hand-in-hand to serve your friends with it perhaps think on where that can lead.
      Bear in mind that being doomed to serve your "friends" may also come up in such terms. I tend to forget specific qualities of aspects, but I'm sure there's a list of them out there, look through the words in it, and combine them within your class, that says what your powers would be like alone.

    • @speedingstorm6074
      @speedingstorm6074 4 роки тому +5

      i suppose your not asking me but here's my 2 cents on the knight of doom, i like the way the way OD describes the aspect of doom so i may use it as a reference point here. Also understand that my understanding of a 'Knight' is based partly on what i think and I've seen through OD's video's so it may not be entirely like how you think it. A knight is one who serves there aspect or serves via there aspect so a knight of doom might either serve there aspect by streamlining the intended fate/arc for a character; whether that be streamlining there suffering, there end as a relevant character or there concurrence with the rules/constraints of said characters journey. It could also be taken as one who serves through doom so perhaps one who serves another through *bringing the end* to another characters relevance or via reminding the party that there actions will decide whether or not they make or break there session and enforcing the importance of constraint within the party lest it lead to a negative fate.
      also for whatever reason knights seem to appear where there aspect is lacking i think, so maybe part of there role will be to enforce constraint amongst a number of players that unsparingly go ham within there desire to preserve or destroy respectively. The knight of doom may also play a more heroic role perhaps eventually slaying a dragon or solving a problem via serving doom. So perhaps they go through a ton of suffering to achieve the result they must, or that it is through there suffering that they gain the tools they need to slay the dragon, though this might require that they slay the dragon for an individual other than themselves as they're not directly serving doom through this action. This last thought may seem a bit strict as I'm trying to differentiate between a knights actions and another classes actions as solving a problem through doom serving them sounds like a more page-y thing. Though as an individual or when creating a character its important to recognise a class can act out of there direct classes actions by role playing another or simply holding the knowledge of how to do so, so this may not always be necessary.
      Anyhow thats my 2 cents

    • @bomtastic2380
      @bomtastic2380 3 роки тому

      Ayyy I’m also a knight of doom😼

  • @Angel_Kittichik
    @Angel_Kittichik 4 роки тому +11

    My first thought wasn't that the Life symbol looks like snake tails, but I did notice that the Breath symbol looks pretty much the same as the previously mentioned. Not identical, but very very similar.

  • @friedchickenUSA
    @friedchickenUSA 4 роки тому +32

    imo? ive always seen the life symbol as breath, flipped turnways
    additionally, breath rhymes with death, which is usually the opposite of life

    • @markenangel1813
      @markenangel1813 4 роки тому +5

      *antonym

    • @karkatvantas9557
      @karkatvantas9557 4 роки тому

      @@markenangel1813 No they mean what they say. All that is living must eventually die.

    • @markenangel1813
      @markenangel1813 4 роки тому +5

      @@karkatvantas9557 what goes up must come down. are up and down synonymous?

    • @friedchickenUSA
      @friedchickenUSA 4 роки тому +3

      @@karkatvantas9557 no i made a typo. i meant the opposite. not synonym.

    • @karkatvantas9557
      @karkatvantas9557 4 роки тому +1

      Well that’s a pretty massive typo. I can be forgiven for thinking you were trying to be deep.

  • @HattietheHatLord
    @HattietheHatLord 4 роки тому +6

    I’m really glad that while he did talk about negatives each aspect may have, none of them are shed in an innately evil light (specifically talking Rage here)

  • @thatguy.609
    @thatguy.609 4 місяці тому

    Y'know I gotta admit, hearing how you explained the Rage aspect finally explains why I actually tend to refer to alot of my life as a "Play" more often than not. Between feeling the need to play the role of a Referee between friends or family members, taking on roles as needed to try and make the world work somehow, and even considering most of what I do an "Act" to keep the peace in my own life, it suddenly makes sense that, as a Mage of Rage, my aspect is meant to be about what you can make the world or yourself feel through your control of it. It's fascinating!

  • @roenais
    @roenais 4 роки тому +16

    just finished binging your other aspect videos for this to be uploaded right on time....... perhaps it was fate

  • @friedchickenUSA
    @friedchickenUSA 4 роки тому +40

    i was invested in a video about making wine from toilet paper and then THIS pops up in my notifications. im having an excitement seizure

    • @kitkatmuffin
      @kitkatmuffin 4 роки тому

      >coughs in laughter

    • @platenoise256
      @platenoise256 4 роки тому +1

      @@kitkatmuffin mood

    • @baha17222
      @baha17222 4 роки тому +2

      Ah, I see you are affiliated with nile red. It pleases me to see a fellow chemist

    • @innaarent1185
      @innaarent1185 3 роки тому

      Y know spoons?

  • @baha17222
    @baha17222 4 роки тому +2

    In the aspect test the duality of hope and rage is perfect. When I did the test I got caprinius. The hope aspect but the class sign of the rage bound. This might suggest that your aspect is skewed by your sign class. A hope bound purple sign would see the hope, possibilities and dreams of everyone and themselves while laughing at the futility of existence. They can be summed up in one sentence: “Laugh at life then laugh at yourself for laughing at a concept that doesn’t reply then cry about it and swear to make it better”. Reminds me of that scene from doctor who. He says that “the good things don’t make the bad things any less hurtful and the bad things don’t make the good things any less worthwhile”.

  • @0whatman
    @0whatman 4 роки тому +18

    such is the duality of life
    haha

  • @incorporealnuance
    @incorporealnuance 4 роки тому +6

    Oh heck yes other video can wait

  • @undyingvision510
    @undyingvision510 4 роки тому +4

    Always amazing

  • @Dragon555
    @Dragon555 4 роки тому +1

    Another insightful video, thank you Optimistic Duelist!

  • @richardthomps
    @richardthomps 4 роки тому +1

    Huh! I've found these 4 aspects to be difficult to parse, but seeing how they connect to each other really clears some of my confusion. Thanks!

    • @lordbuss
      @lordbuss 4 роки тому

      If you want to understand more about them, read BKEW, especially this: bladekindeyewear.tumblr.com/post/23881289939/aspect-duality-theory

  • @zenzenulous2243
    @zenzenulous2243 3 роки тому

    It’s nice to see someone finally go deep into describing Hope considering my classpect is Rogue of Hope. Consider me subscribed.

  • @olivine2573
    @olivine2573 Рік тому

    All those years ago and i find myself as a Hope player as well! :)

  • @Takushika230896
    @Takushika230896 4 роки тому +1

    It is interesting, that with these pairs aspects look kinda like the factors from Fate analysis study of Leopold Szondi, though the connection is quite rough:
    h+ Space
    h- Time/Heart?
    s+ Life
    s- Doom
    e+ Hope
    e- Rage
    hy+ Light
    hy- Void
    k+ Mind/Void
    k- Void
    p+ Hope
    p- Rage
    d Breath
    m+ Blood
    m- Breath
    *i am just a Mage of Blood, who enjoys comparing different systems between themselves*

  • @ignaziolanari4646
    @ignaziolanari4646 4 роки тому +9

    are you going to make pesterquest videos?

  • @PhoenixFlame321
    @PhoenixFlame321 5 місяців тому

    My take on the Hope vs Rage duality:
    Hope vs Rage = Eros vs Thanatos / Construction vs Deconstruction / Attraction vs Revulsion / Desire and Joy vs Anger, Fear and Disgust / Yes vs No / Seduction vs Provocation / Sex vs Violence
    As elements of narrative, Hope vs Rage relates to the emotions and responses inside (character) and outside (audience).
    Hope to characters is what drives them forward and motivates them, it is everything they want to obtain or seek to preserve. Rage to characters is everything they dread and hate, triggering responses of flight or fight. Where Hope draws you in and invites you to embrace it, Rage provokes and goads you into violence.
    To audiences, Hope is related to overall enjoyment of a story, be it by feeling immersed or simply entertained. It is also related to hype, the yearning for more content, and fan-service, when the story tries too hard to please the audience at the detriment of it's integrity. At it's worst, Hope manifests as propaganda, changing and reinforcing worldviews with an underlying agenda, very manipulative. Rage is every time a story makes you feel "bad", be it the tragedy inflicted upon characters, or the breaking of immersion, or even more impactfully: when a narrative directly offends you or makes you doubt your own worldview, because Rage is quite inflammatory.
    At it's most vulgar, Hope is sexual and erotic content while Rage is violent and bloody content, both extreme and grotesque manifestations of these aspects may label something NSFW.

  • @ericquiabazza2608
    @ericquiabazza2608 4 роки тому +10

    Isn't life symbol 2 green flames?
    Fire has always evoke both meanings of life, destruction end rebirth from the ashes, the colors green is to mark it more with earth, health and plants.

    • @sketchManiac
      @sketchManiac 4 роки тому +2

      interesting. I always thought it was two vines growing up

    • @clovertheunlucky
      @clovertheunlucky 4 роки тому +2

      pretty sure those are vines/plants not fires, because, how could FLAMES represent LIFE aspect?

    • @ericquiabazza2608
      @ericquiabazza2608 4 роки тому +2

      Vines? Interesting. Like I say flame are connected to the circle of life by the duality of it, plants give majorly the "Give life part", Fire is link with heat and light, it can harm and destroy, but is also needed for life to surge, and specially the cycle of rebirth. Forest catch fire on their own for a reason, is all part of the circle of life and nature. Maybe is ambiguous in purpose? At the end only Hasie can answer what the origin thought of it was.

    • @lordbuss
      @lordbuss 4 роки тому

      @@ericquiabazza2608 Doom is very much connected to fire, actually. It is dangerous, it destroyes, and in consumes energy, leaving only ashes. Rebirth from ashes is the intentional fusion of Life and Doom.

  • @lordbuss
    @lordbuss 4 роки тому

    An important thing to note: the moral duality of Life is a theme of the aspect, not characters manifesting it. Neither Feferi nor Meenah cared about the reasons for their actions (which Meenah explicitly described as the difference between her and Aranea), they just do the things they want.
    But the things Life players want could be very good or very evil.

  • @marcelinodolan7859
    @marcelinodolan7859 4 роки тому +3

    will be a great video i trust

  • @alrineusaldore6764
    @alrineusaldore6764 4 роки тому

    At first I wasn't really sure, but now I'm 100% certain that I'm a doom bound. Thanks.

  • @egg3926
    @egg3926 4 роки тому +2

    Just thought i should mention life and rage could be seen as master and servant

  • @coen4695
    @coen4695 4 роки тому

    This series was awesome, thanks a lot! It was a lot though, so could you maybe make one last video about the aspects giving a summary of the series and how all these theories fit together?

  • @AstralAlpaca
    @AstralAlpaca 4 роки тому +1

    Omg he's doing it!!! With the titles!

  • @lobstershoes9273
    @lobstershoes9273 4 роки тому +2

    This is truly act 6ing

  • @lucasneufeld2705
    @lucasneufeld2705 3 роки тому

    I missed listening to your voice I find it calming

  • @thefunniestenbyalive2054
    @thefunniestenbyalive2054 4 роки тому

    can't wait to see the cardinal aspects

  • @asocksual4910
    @asocksual4910 4 роки тому

    Y'know, i actually got life the last time I took the extended zodiac quiz, and in light of learning about life players' good-evil moral judgement thing that actually makes a lot of sense, given that I've been worrying a lot about wether I've been making a positive or negative impact on the world lately.

  • @codenamejinza
    @codenamejinza 4 роки тому +3

    So, wait, Hope is supposed to be about optimism...but it involves lying to others and oneself, which led all three known Hope Players down a road that wrecked shit for their friends. How does that work?

    • @codenamejinza
      @codenamejinza 4 роки тому +3

      @@ThousandViewpoints That's really kind of depressing :( The worst part? I can sorta see why he'd do it, being a Page myself. But, well, I actually WANT to try and do stuff, even if it's hard, just to see if I can do it.

    • @KingOpenReview
      @KingOpenReview 4 роки тому +2

      The thing with the hope aspect is that it's the power belief. It doesn't matter if the thing you believe in is actually supported by evidence or not or even if there's evidence to the contrary. This can get dishonest real quick which can be harmful if it gets out of hand.

    • @codenamejinza
      @codenamejinza 4 роки тому

      @@KingOpenReview Like with the Amporas :(

  • @LeonineGoner
    @LeonineGoner 3 роки тому +1

    is it wrong to be scared of personally being a witch of doom? i mean, the first sentance about doom is literally: "Those bound to the aspect of Doom are fate's chosen sufferers", and my class, being witch and all, is *_literally terrifying._*

  • @thornangel16
    @thornangel16 4 роки тому

    I think that it may also be important to look into each aspect’s yin/yang dynamics and see how they can and do oppose and compliment one another. Some key principles of yin and yang is how each contains a bit of the other, how one cannot exist without the other and that one can learn a lot about something by studying its opposite alongside it through compare and contrast. We did get a bit of that with Light and Void, but I’d like to see more of that with the other aspects. I would’ve liked to see you explore the relationship between Life and Doom aspects little more in depth than was talked about here, and I think a lot of interesting discussions could come out of going all out on the Yin Yangs. As well as possibly more insanity. *wonk*

  • @masonmorrow8090
    @masonmorrow8090 4 роки тому +2

    The Life symbol more obviously looks like a pair of tentacles.
    *I wonder why?*

  • @abrahmhatcher2385
    @abrahmhatcher2385 4 роки тому

    I would love to hear more about classes or classpects

  • @FaeriePrince
    @FaeriePrince 2 роки тому

    After watching this video, I have determined that it is true that I am a life player, the extended zodiac quiz was right. Although I am still mulling over whether I'm an Heir or a Page. Either way, I feel that those two classes are the most likely to manifest an overpowering or pure form of the aspect.

  • @liamfidller4319
    @liamfidller4319 4 роки тому +2

    I think life’s supposed to look like grass because plants usually represent life and such.

  • @unholygrail4676
    @unholygrail4676 4 роки тому +1

    I feel awkward when telling my homestuck friends that i'm a Knight of Time because I get a lot of whiplash for "trying" to be like Dave Strider.

  • @lordskull4382
    @lordskull4382 4 роки тому

    Thanks chronos arrghus bleed red and christopher Welch because of you I got knowledge in my Brain

  • @judgenitsuj4402
    @judgenitsuj4402 4 роки тому

    If you ever get the chance I wonder if you could talk about hypothetical classpects and possibilities surrounding them like powers or possible stories?

  • @JazzyWaffles
    @JazzyWaffles 4 роки тому +2

    If Life is snake tails, then Hope is cherub wings, Doom is a cherub skull, and Rage is...?

    • @vl2769
      @vl2769 4 роки тому

      Jazzy Waffles Rage is probably something to do with the cheek swirly things.

    • @lordbuss
      @lordbuss 4 роки тому

      Their Jujus and fake magic and the contrivance of their existence.

    • @srslysatan7948
      @srslysatan7948 4 місяці тому

      A clown mask, like gamzees face paint

  • @Omnimegas
    @Omnimegas 4 роки тому

    I was honestly thinking the same thing about the life symbol looking both like creeping vines and twin snakes while you were doing the show-and-tell of cherub reproduction in relation to life. GOD I live for this classpect shit,,,

  • @florianricquart4114
    @florianricquart4114 4 роки тому

    I knew that you'd say that the duality of Rage is the Tragedy/Comedy masks. But it got me thinking :
    As you mentionned, the Mutable Aspects have their own dualities (Rage has the Tragedy/Comedy masks, Life is morality/Cherubs, Doom is Yin/Yang. Although I don't see when you talk about Hope's duality). But would it be possible to have a "mutual" duality that the Mutable Aspects have in common ? If so, I think it could be Candy/Meat. Life and Hope could represent Candy (Trickster Mode, while it started with Jane, the Life player, was more powerful once Jake "joined", as they could see Roxy, even with the Ring of Void on her. And, if I'm not mistaken, Jake is the main figure of the Candy Epilogue [although I may be mistaken, as I couldn't finish Candy]), and Doom and Rage could represent Meat (Rose's Grimdarkness was brought by Doc Scratch, which is part Rage player. Sollux sent the Meteor to the Green Sun, and with the help of Aradia, sent it towards the Scratched Session. Gamzee knew Trickster Mode had to happen, and he probably had a hand in how it played out [I expect he's the one that brought the Alpha Kids to their Sacrificial Slabs]. Kurloz is the one that got Vriska's jacket, which is arguably a main component of LE's Cairo Overcoat). But each Aspect is not stuck as their "designated" part. After all, Gamzee is a big part of Candy, and Jane is a big part of Meat, as she is the "second main antagonist". I think, if the Mutable Aspects have a Mutual Duality, that each Aspect have a tendancy to be linked to either Meat or Candy (kinda like the Classes. They're not Gendered, I just consider them to have a "bias" towards one gender. Prince goes mainly to male players, but it's just a "preference", so a female Prince is still possible)

  • @0whatman
    @0whatman 4 роки тому

    in your next video you should mention that considering the cold/hot and phisical/notional division all aspects at the bottom left are the most passive (and equally passive), top right are all equally the most active, mind and rage equally passive but not the most, and heart and hope equally active but not the most
    and also mind and heart kinda break the trend and are the only aspects in wich the notional aspect is more passive than the phisical one

  • @stripedpolkadots8692
    @stripedpolkadots8692 4 роки тому

    If we take the life symbol to be a pair of snake tails, then that would be even more confirmation that Joey is actually a life player isn’t it? With the cherub portal/key strongly linked to her and everything.

  • @mittenkitten1717
    @mittenkitten1717 4 роки тому

    Do you think you guys will ever make an aspect quiz based off this theory and analysis?

  • @ebentaylor
    @ebentaylor 4 роки тому

    I'm not sure if I buy into the idea of the life symbol looking like snake tails. It would be more accurate to see them as a sprout and a fully formed plant side by side. If any symbol related to the cherubs it would be the /hope/ symbol. They look exactly like the pair of wings they sprout at adulthood. 6:33 shows them mirrored, and if you connect the wings together without the cherubs in between them, it looks like a feathery version of the hope symbol.
    Hope also has seen a contrast between good and evil. Eridan's belief of what's right and what's wrong in regards to caste supremacy is enforced through his destruction. Jake also shows this faith in good versus evil where he is willing to pummel Meenah with his fists upon discovering she initiated the genocide of Earth as an alternate version of herself. Neither of them has much of a sway in their convictions between right and what's wrong. If anything, Jake would rather judge himself as good or bad based on his mistakes in his relationship with dirk instead of just admitting it had a lot of problems on both ends.

  • @TurtleHermitDM
    @TurtleHermitDM 4 роки тому

    You should male a video about the two armies and the conflict between prospit and derse

  • @eridanampora3024
    @eridanampora3024 4 роки тому +15

    I stopped watching kneecaps stream for this

  • @achillesdykeza2063
    @achillesdykeza2063 4 роки тому

    *cries in Page of Hope*

  • @SmoothEnigma
    @SmoothEnigma 4 роки тому

    So where do Breath and Blood fall into this Fixed and Mutable aspect thing? Are they just like weird outliers u cant think of something for or are you gonna do a video on that? Maybe you already talked about that and I just didnt process it because I'm thick headed >.>;

  • @WIlliamCHowes
    @WIlliamCHowes 4 роки тому

    Well this begs the question.
    Wouldn't this mean that under the pretenses of this that Gamzee and Sollux should have had a relation in which Gamzee enables Sollux to either lash out or feed bad habits?
    I'm not going to scrub through homestuck to find anywhere where this happens but i'm just putting this out here.

  • @asocksual4910
    @asocksual4910 4 роки тому +1

    Well Lanque makes more sense now

  • @JacklyCraft
    @JacklyCraft 4 роки тому

    Hey what about links of Life & Hope and Doom & Rage?
    Feferi and Eridan where a plot, Jane and Jake also where a plot. I bet we can go deep on Life & Hope links
    Not sure about Doom & Rage restricted to Homestuck, maybe Kurloz and Mituna? both aspects got less players but huge impacts

  • @godsvalentine600
    @godsvalentine600 2 роки тому

    Where's the cardinal aspects video? anyone know? can someone point me to it?

  • @skylinesandturnstiles9595
    @skylinesandturnstiles9595 4 роки тому

    F yeah finally here

  • @fmorneweck5513
    @fmorneweck5513 3 роки тому

    Life is just sideways breath and you can't change my mind.

  • @dracosteven4524
    @dracosteven4524 4 роки тому +1

    what about the blood casts?

  • @geneirai
    @geneirai 4 роки тому +1

    shame this series doesn't touch on visual shared elements of the aspect zodiac, like how breath and life share the same basic symbol structure just with life being rotated, or how void is just the space symbol hollowed out. there's also themeatic pairs with blood and heart, and visual similarities like with hope and rage, as well as between mind and light. interestingly I find the visual, thematic and shared motif between time and doom the most interesting, as those two aspect do not share complimentary alignment in anyway you've presented, and yet it's so easy to link the two, even if we simplify doom to 'truth'. doom and time are instrinsically linked in the story, so the spiked skull vs the spoked cog seem coincidental at first, but honestly considering you can link every other aspect visually or themeatically and each and every one of those line up with some interpretation supported by text, it seems intentional that these disprit yet conected aspects would share visual element to key in on a relationship that is not put forth by traditional readings of how this zodiac is set up.

  • @screamingghoul4108
    @screamingghoul4108 4 роки тому +1

    swag!

  • @MegaLpso
    @MegaLpso 4 роки тому

    Wouldn't life be the opposite of bringing things to a end, and bringing things back? Life is all about healing and caring for others, and bringing people back from the dead (if powerful enough? Like a sylph of life chould probably do it). I'm still trying to figure out if I'm life or blood, because that's what the zodiac quiz is saying.

  • @ISSACFOOTFUNGUS
    @ISSACFOOTFUNGUS 3 роки тому

    “The peepsie’s” - optimistic duelist nov 2019

  • @lesbiane-girl3995
    @lesbiane-girl3995 4 роки тому +2

    The only thing I've learned from aspects act 3 act 4 is that Marx was a Mage of Hope

  • @milkjug4237
    @milkjug4237 4 роки тому

    they will always be tentabulges to me

  • @francisbonnefoy7887
    @francisbonnefoy7887 4 роки тому

    Thought you were gonna say pair of tentabulges, which- yea

  • @quotastrider801
    @quotastrider801 3 роки тому

    WHATS THE INTRO SONG

  • @stardustsoul5582
    @stardustsoul5582 4 роки тому

    Wait... I am doing the research and Hop from pokemon sword and shield is truly a knight of hope

  • @friedchickenUSA
    @friedchickenUSA 4 роки тому

    the title card says "part III part V" but the title of the video says "part III part IV"

  • @thepyroman8929
    @thepyroman8929 4 роки тому +1

    Ngl rage seems like an aspect reserved for crazy people

  • @dotexemachina
    @dotexemachina 4 роки тому

    i guess sleep can wait

  • @litsaber
    @litsaber 4 роки тому

    I see a lot of people talking about the link of these aspects to cherubs, so I'll throw in my 2 cents.
    I think they all relate specifically to Calliborn
    Hope is his delusions of grandre in his art
    Doom is the doom he brings upon paradox space
    Rage is his, well, unyieling rage
    And life is his immortal life

  • @jt0n
    @jt0n 3 роки тому

    i always thought the life symbol looked a lot like a sideways breath symbol but the snake tails makes sense too

  • @keaton5101
    @keaton5101 3 роки тому

    what the hell does strange eons even mean

  • @oliverhoare6779
    @oliverhoare6779 4 роки тому

    Opinions on the Sburb Glitch FAQ fanspects?

  • @LunNightMoonLight
    @LunNightMoonLight 4 роки тому

    Why is Gamezee my only Rage representation in Homestuck. He’s so horrible.

    • @karkatvantas9557
      @karkatvantas9557 4 роки тому +4

      Kurloz. Xefros.

    • @LunNightMoonLight
      @LunNightMoonLight 4 роки тому +5

      Karkat Vantas I will accept Xeferos as good Rage representation for me thanks for the reminder that he exists

    • @asocksual4910
      @asocksual4910 4 роки тому +3

      As of hiveswap, you have xefros, charun, and nikhee, among others!

  • @philippelizotte3760
    @philippelizotte3760 4 роки тому +1

    First like (I think)

  • @alchemt6230
    @alchemt6230 4 роки тому +3

    First

    • @ScootyD
      @ScootyD 4 роки тому +2

      No

    • @Celemimphar
      @Celemimphar 4 роки тому

      Can confirm: you are indeed First. (Source: "Newest First" and scrolling to the bottom.) Have a cookie.

    • @alchemt6230
      @alchemt6230 4 роки тому

      Wow I feel special