Billy Corgan On NWA Competing With WWE & AEW, Tyrus As World Champion, Smashing Pumpkins
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- Опубліковано 29 лип 2024
- Billy Corgan is the lead singer of The Smashing Pumpkins and also the owner and promoter of the National Wrestling Alliance (@nwa) He sits down with Chris Van Vliet the Blue Wire Studios in Las Vegas to talk about NWA 75 on August 26 & 27 in St Louis. He also discusses the growth of NWA, the decision to make Tyrus the NWA World's Heavyweight Champion, what he learned from working in TNA, becoming the subject of a Family Guy joke, will there ever be a "Rat in a Cage" match, working with Eli Drake (LA Knight) in NWA, balancing Smashing Pumpkins and wrestling, finding a media partner for NWA and much more!
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00:00 Intro
00:26 Working with Matt Cardona
00:58 Preparing for NWA 75
01:42 Dealing with people inside the ‘wrestling bubble’
03:33 Where does NWA fit into the wrestling landscape
06:58 Hollywood strikes benefiting pro wrestling
07:53 UA-cam as a partner to pro wrestling
09:30 Networks and the future of media
12:47 Who would be the perfect partner for the NWA?
13:52 What is the value of pro wrestling?
16:39 Why does Nostalgia always sell?
18:42 Does he work with WWE?
19:52 People taking him seriously in wrestling
21:40 Criticism of Tyrus in NWA
26:39 Putting the NWA Championship on Tyrus
30:17 What does he look for in new talent?
33:05 LA Knight's recent success
40:08 Why did the NWA change the look of their show
41:40 What did he learn from his time in TNA?
42:39 When does he expect NWA to grow by?
46:27 What’s his elevator pitch for the NWA
50:28 What’s the most annoying thing someone could say?
55:41 His purpose in driving the NWA
57:50 Does Family Guy reach out before using his photo
58:43 Becoming a meme at Disneyland
1:00:30 Will the Forbidden Door ever be opened for NWA
1:07:49 Will there ever be a ‘Rat In A Cage Match’
1:09:20 His songs guiding the “Watchmen’ trailer
1:11:46 Previewing NWA 75
1:17:18 WWE resigning Wade Barrett
1:17:53 Kamille’s reign as NWA women’s champion
1:19:47 3 Things Billy Corgan is grateful for
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Who in the french fried tittyfuck is Mr beast?? I'll have you know! I am completely unaware of this person. UA-cam for me is mainly wrestling news/ entertainment and music!
See bro, you just got billy! Time to get the biggest ever! Vinnymac bud.......also me, time again.... To get a wrestling fan, it will be huge man. I got a lot to get off my chest my friend. I am waiting lol
I really love how billy doesn't feel the need to compare nwa or take shots at WWE! I'm gaining a ton of respect for billy here! If your watching......TONY KHAN, take serious notes, nwa could take your spot in a second!
Chris buddy, I am a drummer and guitarist, if billy needs a fill in let him know i live in Vegas. Also, im still waiting on the biggest fan interview ever buddy.
Chris, please ask billy if he could give me a shot in the nwa! I've booked and wrestled in Las vegas's future stars of wrestling. I've got experience my friend
Corgan being involved so deep with wrestling will never stop to feel odd to me, its like suddenly you know that Robert Smith from The Cure has a BBQ chain restorants somewhere.
I was just telling a friend the same exact thing... Been a huge Pumpkins fan since 1992, and watched wrestling since I was a kid in the early 80s.. and it's bizarre to hear Billy use wrestling slang and be so knowledgeable about all the different companies and the history.
Before the pandemic, NWA had Eli Drake (L.A. Knight), Thunder Rosa, Ricky Starks, Eddie Kingston, and Nick Aldis. They had Cody Rhodes as NWA champ for 3 months after All In. They really were killing it. I still keep up with NWA, but…can’t argue that the pandemic hit their momentum worse than any other brand in the industry.
I disagree Ring of Honor
New NWA was half-smothered in its crib, but ROH was pulverized. Even after getting bought out now, they're about as irrelevant as they were at any point during the pandemic. Impact was incredibly lucky to make it through
Look, Tony owns ROH now, so it has every opportunity to grow if fanboy Tony wants it to. Corgan, while rich, can’t just pull talent from out his ass to bring the NWA back to prominence. He had the pieces in place, but fate stepped in to fuck it over with Covid. I can tell you for damn straight that if I had my way, NWA would be at the least the second biggest promotion on the planet. There’s more history there, and more of a legacy that’s in place than something like AEW will ever achieve.
Ken Anderson (Kennedy) and Colt Cabana were there as well. Not to compare them to the names mentioned, but they brought name value to the company too.
@@robbhebert3288😂 AEW is already the number 2 company and doesn't need history like NWA to accomplish it. Get with the times. NWA is relic of the past that is never going to recover what it once was after WWE monopolized the business. Just stop. AEW has accomplished in 4 years what NWA in its history couldn't even achieve.
So much to unpack here from Billy. I've listened to a few parts over and over again trying to let everything he's saying sink in.
This was a phenomenal interview. Great job, CvV! Thank you for reviving NWA, Billy!
Glad you enjoyed it!
NWA needs ..................Vince Russo bro!
@@heyyoitsmebrian NO, F-U.
@@heyyoitsmebrian😅😅😅😅😅
I’m not 100% sure that Billy can succeed. I am ABSOLUTELY 100% sure that he’s fully committed, and studies the hell out of the business. Much respect for Billy…. I sure hope NWA turns it up to 11!
This is one of the best all around interviews of yours I've ever watched, Billy is extremely articulate.
Spot on about Billy's articulation. Especially when it came to broadcasting. The concept he said was preferable - the traditional scheduling of programming alongside uploads of individual episodes, specials and PPV's - was, if I heard it right, was being considered by Amazon for its Prime service. Also, it was a model, although I would have to check up with it as I haven't regularly gone to the website, that Pro Wrestling TV was using. What I suppose would help is Smart televisions being the norm by being less costly to purchase than they are at the moment. Both PWTV and Fite (I'd forgot about them ... and others too) have apps that can be installed on the sets (certainly the case with the LG model I have). But what will seal the deal, perhaps, is a handful of Indie companies banding together to create a service like it. There is, of course, the likelihood that some of them will start reciting the title of the song "Money's too tight to mention" but there must be financial incentive alone that would be visible to them if they are prepared to take off their blinkers for once instead of using Dollar, Dollar bill as the steel chair that the business as a whole use to give itself a shot to the head. If wrestling is the life, then surely, they have a golden opportunity to own a pop-open wallet rather than having the one with the zip opening own their ... "Christianity" shall we refer to it?
LOL. Articulated and articulate are very different things when describing someone.
I absolutely loved this interview! Great Job! So pumped about NWA 75!!!!
What a thoughtful and fascinating interview. I haven't heard a lot of interviews from Billy, but man, I am very impressed. I would love to hear more from here.
What killed (is killing) the NWA? Losing David Lagana, then Nick Aldas, then making Tyrus heavyweight champion. The best thing about Tyrus was getting Austin Idol promos
never saw NWA but kept hearing "stuff" about Tyrus winning the world title there..... so i checked out the match.... wowza..... dude Tyrus is soooo bad.... jeeeeeezuz.
@@heyyoitsmebrian Has personality, isn't running around for no reason doing constant spots, hits hard and it looks like it hurts, and just seeing a guy that size is different in this day and age. It's a short term thing and I can sit and watch a ten minute Tyrus match with it's physicality and not be bored. I would honestly watch him than 20-30 minutes of meaningless high spots.
@@hiddensword9387 lmaooooooo ....
isnt running around for no reason... bro he couldn't run if he tried.
Just seeing a guy that size is different....
really? i see guys that look like that at the bowling alley every week.
just because you DISLIKE 1 certain type of wrestler doesnt make the opposite type of wrestler good. Tyrus is 50 years old and WAY out of shape.
@@hiddensword9387 Look Im not a highspot junkie but Im also not a big man simp Tyrus is fucking awful
@@heyyoitsmebrianbet you hated Andre...or were you even born yet?
Billy makes a whole lot of sense,and the conversation about taking the top talent from the other promotions and put their own huge event together once a year,that's been a conversation for years and that would be great to witness 👍🏾
Tyrus better lose to ec3 I swear to god
NWA powerrr started off hot in late 2019 but ever since the pandemic NWA has declined
I miss through the fire theme
The first 2 seasons of Power where special
@PhilTalksSports it's a shame they have removed them from their youtube channel.
@@nicholastaylor9687 I was lucky to get Season one on dvd. When it was still available. It’s impossible to fine it now. Sometimes you find season 2
@@PhilTalksSports would love to get my hands on them at some point
Early in the interview "Lots of money in Nostalgia." later in interview "There's no money in Nostalgia." Make up your mind, Billy.
To be fair it depends on how you do it and where you put it. Maybe that is what he means.
He's mostly pessimistic on nostalgia 🤷
Billy's right about a potential two day event featuring all the best non-WWE wrestlers in the world being a huge success. If the promoters of all the other companies got together, you could create an event that would rival WrestleMania. It's right there for the taking, there's plenty of talent, and the cross-promotional matches would be incredible.
So true ❤
If a tree falls in the forest and no one is there to hear it, does this idea makes a sound?
You can’t compete wrestlemania that’s the problem wrestlemania will beat anything that you put up against it
@@billyxkid5062 in numbers but meaning and purpose, it would be cool
@@billyxkid5062 You wouldn't hold your event at the same time, so it wouldn't be a direct competition anyway. The World Series doesn't happen at the same time as the Super Bowl.
IT was so funny when Billy Corgan said he had three “HIT” songs on the charts. And Chris said “Oh, which songs?” LOL
This was an amazing interview. Really think Billi has great vision on the future of the business.
Great interview by both Chris and Billy!
Wish I had the chance to work with him, but he came to TNA right as I left and was about to retire.
Big fan of NWA!
Will you ever come out of retirement?
The blueprints a mayor now
@@brokenfunnibones Well, he was...He was Mayor of longwood, Florida from 2019-2020 and is currently District 4 City Commissioner (At least last I heard)...Whatever that is
I still watching NWA cuz i love it. And i will always support the NWA no matter what.
Not only do I like wrestling, but I like rock ‘n’ roll. Thank you for posting Chris. I actually saw Billy and the smashing pumpkins in concert at the Jones beach theater. The show was fantastic.
This peaked my interest enough I’m going to watch some NWA over the next few weeks. Great work on all fronts here.
Love Billy Corgan
Great interview!
Love this interview EVERYBODY!
Just saw Smashing Pumpkins in concert last night!
Saw them the other day and recorded the match - great org!!!
Great work as always Chris,
No disrespect to Billy but why would TK want to do this Wrestlemania competitor with NWA or Impact? You can make a case for some Impact talent but NWA? Who exactly is there that would draw?
Yeah... I mean, in theory what Billy is saying makes sense in future perspective, but right now such an event would be entirely carried by AEW.
The difference in size and global reach between AEW and NWA and Impact is just as big as the one between AEW and WWE, and this is not a matter of liking a promotion over the other but just numbers. I cannot picture an audience who only knows WWE wrestlers and is not even familiar with AEW folks are to buy a ticket to see guys from Impact of NWA, independently of how talented those can be.
@@ROMANTIKILLER2 And unless you're only focused on Wrestling, it's too much for a casual fan that has other hobbies. I myself feel overwhelmed by WWE/AEW and barely touch NJPW/TNA to follow more wrestling promotions (even though I'm aware they exist)
@lesterama6110 same. It's already too many hours only WWE and/or AEW shows. One would really have to live only for wrestling to keep up with all the rest too.
Kamille is the only person in NWA that is close to something with star power.
it's insane how much he looks like Bill Burr
omg .. Billy is a smart man ! I see and want to feel NWA will come back as it was with the Crocketts . He is building
Looking forward to the NWA Changes!
Much respect for Billy Corgan for sticking to his guns!
Interview Fuego!
I'll be getting the PPV! Great interview
I pre ordered NWA: 75 night 1 and 2. Looking forward to it.
Rock and Wrestling lives at NWA! 😎👍🤘
Awesome! Pumpkins were a huge influence on me in the 90s
Every interview has been fire! I’ve been away for a while but with a young boy time is coming and looking forward to it!
the ending encapsules this whole interview "i cant believe your not goin to talk about kamille" hahaha "do you know who markova is?" nope hahah
Honestly I didn't know billy Corgan owned NWA....that's crazy , but honestly awesome, and I can see where he's coming from with trying to make NWA a modern wrestling promotion not a nostalgic act! 🤙
Thank You BILLY! YOU WON ME OVER YE A Y!!!!!!!!!!
Loved CVV repeatedly (ironically?) responding YEAH during the LA Knight discussion...............YEAH!!!
NWA isn’t competing against WWE or AEW, they are competing against Impact and MLW.
We're only 5 years into William Patrick Corgan's 20 year plan
William Patrick Corgan vs Chris Van Vliet. Book it WPC!!! 👀🙏
Excellent interview. Billy is such a smart man. I have a ton of respect for him.
We here at Of Men and Monkeys enjoy this interview very much.
totally agree with the remarks on Drake / Knight . Sean is amazing and been doing it much much longer then people think and they think this is new. Not at all ! I agree with their remarks
Awesome
Chris has done it again. Great questions. #InterviewKing
Love Billy
Did he just basically call out people covering his music as owing him money?!
Bros complaining about how people who cover his songs should give him loyalties. What a loser. Feels like hes ungrateful that fans enjoy/like his music to the point of wanting to learn it just casually dunks on them and essentially whine about not getting more money. Crazy to hear an artist shit talk their fans
@@Actuallychowder Its distributing a published and copyrighted work while not giving proper credit. Its really basic. You have to fight for your IP or you will lose entitlement. Hes not talking about the people hes talking about the platforms.
@@Actuallychowder 99% sure he was calling out that youtube makes money off of his (covered) songs, and he doesnt.
YES. Finally. Billy is my entertainment lawyer.
true we are still watching and very interested watched to the end just saying
I wish NWA would be competing with the big brands NWA has always been that company to get along with other companies
I like how he doesn’t let politics or anything like that affect the talent you’re able to actually have different politic beliefs or beliefs in general, and he doesn’t look at you any different I like that about him wish more people like that
Cmon Billy Tyrus is no way a good enough charasmatic wrestler to hold the title this long.
Watching this interview makes me wanna give NWA a chance. I been watching WWE since Summerslam 2022 but it's getting so boring. So tired of Roman. NWA did the same thing with Aldis. Him leaving was a woohoo moment for me. Tyrus i have no problem with. People so hypocritical when most praise Andre who could barely move. Yeah he was a giant, but Tyrus ain't some light heavyweight. He's a huge dude who can destroy you. I don't care about agile matches. I don't need a back and forth. Why would i want someone to get 50% offense against a big man like him? That's stupid. Internet fans don't view wrestling the rest of us do. Like an actual staged fight with wrestling rules and psychology. They just in it to see a great Meltzer match with flips and counters and running around. There are 90% of people that do that and never once has been the reason i love a match. It's the story. I know people look down at fat people. I'm fat, people that lose weight will tell you the world suddenly respects them after they lose weight. So i know there is a judgement people have. People are scum and think fat people are lesser than them. So i don't view the criticisms valuably. Plus internet fans opinions are generally ass. Anyone over 240 is generally disliked cause they don't counter as much. If they a Babyface forget about it.
Okay so i always said to myself Billy looks like the lead singer of the smashing pumpkins…I HAD NO IDEA HE WAS THE LEAD SINGER. Ya learn something every day
Someone asked me what Id change in NWA in the Live Chat..
First sentence as I kick down the door, " Tyrus.. Go pound sand, kick rocks play boy. Its OVVVVERRRR."
I knew Chris was about to run into a brick wall with spikes when I began the “you’re band is nostalgic” talk 😂😂
Great interview! Corgan is such a smart man and is extremely interesting…..could’ve listened to him talk all day!
We need a nwa videogame!!!! Its slept on today NGL!!!!
I don't think Billy has ever actually watched a Tyrus match.
Is Billy a character on NWA tv? If not he should be. Probably best way to get more eyes on the show.
I think NWA has been a Staple in wrestling History forever.. Billy is the Man hope one Day it will the number 1 wrestling promotion. They absolutely always have had that potential. I wish I could write for them . But I'm a ghost. Long live NWA. !.
I just saw the smashing pumpkins and they had wrestling between each band
The NWA started in 1905, George Hackenschmidt vs Frank Gotch!! Yes I was a huge fan of Jim Crockett Promotions and huge fan and a friend of Harley Race's. Became a huge fan of Ric Flair's as well a fan of WCCW especially Kerry Von Erich. Best match I ever saw was Ric Flair vs vs Ricky steamboat Chicago 1989.
Never meet your heroes but I love NWA wrestling
I wish they had bought it so I could watch all the nwa matches on peacock 😂
so Billy wants to be on peacock? (something with a live component, regular network, and on-demand)
Corgan and Jericho! Rock and Wrestling!!!
Hello to the team. i would really like to see Raymond Rougeau in your podcast. TYVM...
Where can I watch NWA wrestling?
Great interview. If you get Billy not in a sour mood, he’s almost always a fun and interesting guest. I’m curious - have you ever interviewed Daron Malakian of System of a Down? I know he’s a huge pro wrestling fan as well. I wonder if he and Billy are acquainted…. Two great bands, led by two big pro wrestling fans. Love to see it. Thanks for the interview (although i would have liked for you to ask him about his shapeshifter experience!)
Tyrus might not be in the peak of his prime but he's still a lot more of a credible fighter and champion than half of the top stars in all of the other wrestling companies.
Pffff
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂Hell nah
With the CW and NWA issue. I wonder what spin billy has to say about it
I Love Wrestling & Rock music especially The Smashing Pumpkins
The best AVAADORE, Adore Smashing Pumpkins
Hey my awesome brother
we are in weird point in media yes !
Tyrus =👍
I like it when you said Billy corgan is the best guest you ever had. Your wife Has also been a guest on your podcast. She may not be happy with that answer.lol.😂
It looks like Corgan turned off the camera by clapping lol. Was that intentional?
Nwa in 2019 was addiction.....
I miss Tony Falk waffle and tire iron commercial
I get if it’s an official produced release, but as he said someone covering his song on their out of tune guitar, come on why would he need to be paid for that? People badly cover songs on at open mics all the time, it’s basically the same thing
I would love Dustin Rhodes to have a run with the NWA title
Guy deserves it
No one “deserves” a damn thing ,or either “ everyone” deserves it . One or the other , pick one
Fight promotion Game!
So does NWA still have a partnership with AEW or no
Literally an ad every 2 minutes woah
Honestly I hope nwa grows. If they can get the tb/streaming deal and it and consistently produce that would be amazing. I love WWE, and TNA and Impact is just not my cup of tea. I’ve watched POWERR and I like it.
Love the pumpkins!!! But I wish NWA had more hardcore/death match wrestlin.
The NWA is nostalgia
I LOVE THE NWA! I AM a Wrestler who Loves Sports Based Professional Wrestling. The NWA is traditon, Sport, Heart, Warriors, The Legitimate Wrestling Worlds Championship!!!!!!
Rat in a Cage Match is a Cage Match with Mouse Traps spread around the ring
Damn, how big is that desk?
Im a music fan and wrestlinh fan
Need the old school NWA rings; a much better sound to them.
Arum all three acts rock
Everyone loves good wrestling
Love Billy's knowledge of the business and its history, but you just can't convince us Tyrus is very good.
Pumpkins forever!
I like you and your music Billy.But let's be honest there is no way you could obviously justify Tyrus as a credible champion. No one is saying he's a bad person because he's not, but as a wrestler he's fucking awful. He's just a big body with a limited moveset and slower than big show.And if no One believes me take a look at his work and WWE as the funkasaurus and tell me with one hundred percent honesty that you would want that guy to be champion of your wrestling company.
How can I get seen and hired by the NWA ?
NWA should be part of forbidden door 3